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Monday Jul 28, 2008

Cotto fought grandly, until he ran out of gas, and Margarito imposed his will upon him. Look at him here, his face tells you he's been in a nasty fight. But some fighters will only succumb when they are rendered unconscious. Others have a lower threshold.

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Concerning "Going Out On Your Shield"

By Michael Woods

I don’t like to go there, as I always try to maintain a clear delineation between them and us.

I refuse, on general principle, to question a boxer’s will—unless someone has tanked a fight pretty clearly, or has shown up in abominable condition-- or a ref’s decision to stop a fight perhaps “too early.” After all, anyone who gets in the ring, and gives his or her all, deserves tremendous respect, and should not have to defend themselves from some keyboard tapper who suggests they shoulda done this, or that.

So with that preamble, it is with great hesitance that I put forth a query. Should Miguel Cotto have at least attempted to fight to the finish in his battle with Antonio “The Real Life Terminator” Margarito on Saturday evening in Las Vegas? I ask, because I can’t bring myself, in good conscience, to say that he should have. It’s simply not for me to say. But it is a topic for discussion, among our most passionate and informed readership, some of whom have called Cotto out for “quitting.” That term is way too harsh for me, and should be used on most rare occasions when in the context of boxing. But since that ball is in play, let’s have at it..

On my card, Cotto was outboxing Margarito on Saturday, slipping masterfully, landing accurate, clean shots, and was ahead 6-3-1. I fully realize others, maybe most, had it much closer. Perhaps on another viewing I’d score it differently, as I did when I rewatched Cotto/Mosley (at MSG I had Cotto winning handily, at home I saw a MUCH closer fight.)

Then came the eleventh round, the unraveling round, the round where Margarito proved himself to be the most resolute fighter in the sport today, a machine unable on this evening of doing anything other than coming forward, and pressing the action. That smile we saw in days leading up to the fight, the same grin we saw him wear during his entrance into the arena meant exactly what it looked like it meant. The smile meant that Margarito, deep within his immense heart, was so certain he would prevail on Saturday, that he was able to enjoy the buildup to the crescendo.

But Cotto…

I was on board with labeling him Co-Pound for Pound best, with Pacquiao, and would’ve found it easy to elevate him to the top tier with a scintillating performance against Margarito, who I deemed a better boxer than the man Manny Pacquiao just dominated, David Diaz. He looked so confident, so slick, so good for so much of this bout. And then that eleventh round. He ate uppercuts, as Ron Borges told us he might, a left hooker-cut and then a right uppercut, and he took a knee at 1:38. No harm in that. Zero shame in that. It just surprised me, because I didn’t peg him as being that sort of fighter, someone who would take the smart, safer route, collect his senses. Again, I reiterate, maybe he was seeing double, or triple, or the effects of a concussion.

I thought he was the sort who would dig down, trade, get mad, get even. So easy for me to say, mind you, from the safe zone that is my sofa.

Blood trickled down his left eye, and was smeared on his face. There was more dripping from his nose, and his mouth.

Then, Cotto retreated again, as he had the bulk of the fight, but this was different. Fatigue was about to make him, not a coward, but a less resolute warrior than his foe. He ate left hands, two, three, slipped some shots, held on for dear life. He backed up, with the look of a man facing a firing squad, as Margarito skipped towards him, almost merrily, to plunge in the final dagger. The Mexican, who now has to be seen as a new millennium Roberto Duran with the feral intensity of his attack,  tossed a one-two. Neither punch landed, but Cotto could not stand another second of even the promise of punishment. He took to his right knee, glanced at his corner, and stood up immediately, as his trainer hopped onto the apron to finish the act of surrender. No mas, the trainer, his Uncle Evangelista said, by stepping in to the ring.

I hate to use those two words, No Mas, with the bitter connotation they convey. But since a couple people I discussed this issue with brought it up, it's not inappropriate to fold those loaded words into this discussion.

 

To me, Cotto won the bulk of the fight. And when the going got truly treacherous, when the tide turned against him, he succumbed, to a knee, one, then twice. Again, I hate writing this, because there is not an ounce of coward in Cotto. But the record will show, in the eleventh round of his July 26 fight with Antonio Margarito, Cotto decided to go the safer route, and went to his knee, twice, rather than “go out on his shield.” Going out on your shield is an overrated way to go out, if you are keen on saving some brain cells for later in life.

But I’d figured Cotto for that sort of fighter when and if he did meet his match. I have no way of knowing how his body is internally. I just know it appeared to me he left something in that ring after that second kneeldown. On this night, his will to win was not equal to Margarito’s, it looked like. There’s no shame in that, but there is a perverse honor in fighting until one does not have an ounce left to give. 

One former fighter I talked to, who didn’t want to give his name, because he didn’t want to be seen questioning Cotto or his effort, noticed that Miguel took to his knee twice, on his own volition, and the second time without being hit. He noticed that he glanced at his corner, perhaps hoping they would do what they did, so the onus of the choice not to continue wouldn’t be upon him.

This former fighter told me about the one round that he is probably most proud of in an illustrious career. The round came against a legend, who had inflicted some harsh punishment on him. The ref came over in between rounds and asked him if he wanted to continued. He hesitated, for a millisecond. His corner could have interceded, and threw in the towel. They didn’t, and he went out for the next round, and battled furiously. And was TKOd. He faced down the firing squad. And he looks back on that moment, and that round, and that effort, as maybe his proudest moment in his ring life. Because he found out then the depth of courage that he had, the size of his heart, his ability to face down fear and failure. Again, this former fighter didn’t want to cast an aspersion on Cotto, and neither do I; I want to see where we all stand on this issue, see if the standards in judging a fighter’s heart have changed over the years, and make it clear that only Cotto knows if he could’ve given an ounce more of himself, or should have “gone out on his shield.”

I ask you, readers, in your opinion, did Cotto have an ounce left to give?

Did he still have a chance, even a tiny chance, of winning that fight, of marshaling every ounce of strength, of landing one home-run toss, and dropping Margarito?

Did he do the right thing, the smart thing? Because in 10 years, the fans will have moved on, and he will be the one left to deal with the consequences of being excessively brave, to the point of maybe being foolhardy.

Have we made strides as fight fans in recent years, with all the medical knowledge we have in our possession, and are we less inclined to demand a fighter “go out on his shield?” And if yes, isn’t that a good thing?

Will Miguel Cotto lie awake at night and wonder, tonight, tomorrow, ten years from now, if he had anything left to give in that ring on Saturday night?


Contact Michael Woods @ TheSweetScience.com


Robert Curtis:  We who do not go in that ring can only guess at a fighter's internal thoughts. But in my inexpert opinion, the fight was not going Cotto's way and Cotto must have felt he couldn't turn back the tide. We can say this was an intelligent choice on his part. Now he lives to fight another day. All fighters are different. Because of Ali's pride, he now exists with limited motor functioning. Sugar Ray Robinson spent his last years in deep dementia. Are they better men then Cotto? Cotto did get into that ring in the first place and is no doubt brave. But I think we can honestly say that Cotto did not "go out on his shield". Cotto surrendered something that some select fighters will never surrender. Maybe you can call it faith, will, imagination, desire? Some boxers will let that candle of hope inside them go out, while other fighters will burn and burn to the absolute end. I watched the Kim/Mancini fight when I was a kid. Kim died shortly after. Arthur Mercante said he stopped the first Frazier/Foreman bout because he knew Joe would keep getting up until he was killed. I think a man has a right to intercede for himself. But I also respect the man who refuses to lose.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
rudy:  No. Live to fight another day.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
donputo69:  Thank you mike...for all of these non boxing fans that are saying that cotto quit, are full of B.S..cotto took the right path...2 kneeldown is better than getting KTFO...i also had this fight even going in to the 11th round...he was outboxing margarito from round 1 thru 10..even where i was sitting at next to some cool mexicans, they were saying that cotto is putting a masterpiece on margarito..and this is coming from a mexican guy...like i said before...that punch in the 9th round did it to cotto...but he cameback in the 10th round and outboxed margarito again...then in the 11th it was a wrapped...hats off to margarito...like they say in sports..TO BE THE MAN YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN....and in that night margarito BEAT THE MAN...holla back!!!!!!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
dan:  cotto did the right thing for his heatlh and well being, but he did quit. i respectfully disagree he was not trying to collect himself by taking a knee he was trying to get out of there. ive seen the fight three times already look in cottos eyes he quit before the fight was stopped. he wanted out of that ring and that is why he did not speak at the post fight press confrence. i thought cotto fought an excellent fight and i respect his effort. Most times when i fighter quits i lose respect , however i did not is this instance. He gave it everything he had and it was not enough. Cotto i believe showed in this fight how close he was to losing to shane mosely , shane had him on the run as well and if he had a little more pop would have stopped cotto. i dont belive floyd will ever come back now i think he may have come back to fight cotto but somethings tells me he will just stay retired. i would be impressed if oscar signs to fight margarito
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Eastar:  Woods, your wrong. Cotto has no balls, and neither does his fans it seems. Their all heartless...Just listen to them,crying; no.no,stop the fight, stop the bleeding, he can't take anymore......... Pathetic losers, lol. I'm glad Margs took Cotto out of his misery. Now let him go back to PR to watch some Trinidad fights, and see how a real Puerto Rican is supposed to fight....with heart. Haha holla back fruit cakes.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
donputo69 chillin with my boy zab judah:  LMFAOOO.....easter bunny aka dumber...you should listen to your self when you post these pre-k comments...lmfaoooo...you sound so pathetic....are you lonely in your closet?..why dont you call your girl scareweather and have her join you and play raw vs smackdown?..you are the big show and scareweather is scareweather....lmfaooooo......call her now...i bet she's lonely too...lmfaoooooo......she's waiting for you to call her...FRUIT CAKE...holla back....
Monday Jul 28, 2008
GeorgeJ:  I wouldn't say he quit...he took to safer route..why take more punishment? Margarito wasn't going anywhere. Cotto by no means is a punk or quit because he was a coward...a lot of guys wouldn't even fight Margarito and Cotto took it to him and at times slugged it out. What else do we want? as a fan I loved this fight and this is an example of how Boxing should be.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:: :  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! donLOSER, the fight wasn't even, TWO JUDGES had Margarito 96-94, and the other had it 95 a piece. THAT'S EVEN????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Margarito was gaining the MOMENTUM and if it was going to a decision, which I don't think Cotto had the gas anymore to make it there, even less fighting it, Margarito STILL would have won. And for your information BOZO, if a figher takes a knee the FIRST time, it's all right, but he kneels a SECOND TIME THAT MEANS HIS QUITTING. The ref can keep it going, but a second kneeling shows the fighter can't continue anymore...............Just ask Corley, now that's a guy who had a LOT MORE good reasons to keep up going than Cotto's. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
aaron, uk:  Cotto did quit to an extent but he had good reason to, he was gone. I for one dont have a problem with the way he ended it because he had been in a war and had given a great account of himself. I only have a problem with fighters who quit for no apparent reason, for example Rahman against Lights out a couple of weeks ago. Also if he had been such a quiter why did he take so much punishment before he called it a night, he could have stayed down after the first knockdown and dont get me started about the Torres fight, he didnt have any quit in him that night.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
dan:  i dont think cotto will ever be the same. once doubt enters your head i dont think you can really be the same again.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why the hell I'm I even discussing with you. You took a BIG LOSS, and you're still talking as if you even got any REASON to continue doing so. Whatever for real. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............................Oh! and by the way EVERYBODY knows De la Hoya kicked Mosley's ASS in the rematch. Everybody knows De la Hoya was ROBBED BIG TIME. But then again, you don't have anymore points to keep on fighting, after Cotto's got his ASS WHOOPED. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!! It's all right, keep up writing crap. And Hatton is going to DESTROY Paul Maliganggi, another point you're going to lose to keep your crap arguments........Yeah Zab is laughing right now: AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
aaron, uk:  If you read the post I also said that I didnt believe what i wrote, I was just showing you what you do with Floyds opponents... Its easy to put your spin on it. You can make most fighters records look good or bad depending on whether you put a positive or negative spin on it. I WON'T expect you to understand your too busy with your imaginary friend ZAB JUDAH.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
donputo69 chillin with my boy zab judah:  yo aaron..why u mad?...its not my fault you dont live here in bklyn..lol..i grew up with these dudes..so wtf are you talking about....dont hate....if you want, you just can come to my hood and i'll intruduce them to you...zab,collazo,starks,stevens etc....you are welcome to come thru my hood...dont worry...you wont get robbed if you with me...lmfaooooo.....holla back...
Monday Jul 28, 2008
aaron, uk:  Zab would probably beat me down and rob me himself. :)
Monday Jul 28, 2008
aaron, uk:  That dudes always in th public eye doing something crazy. Clottey by late stoppage or UD
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Mayweather is a Chicken:  Floyd's attitude sucks plain and simple. He rubs everyone the wrong way and that is why he is hated. I am huge fan of this sport and this guy really gets under my skin. He is the epitome of a fighter with no heart. I want to see him in a situation where he has to dig deep and really earn it. Instead I gotta here this multi-millionaire b1tch about more money all the time instead of fighting. His unlikeable personality will never create new boxing fans. Don't give him no statue give him guts!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Corey, Long Beach CA:  Besides the fact that Cotto has to look out for his health and future well-being which was clearly in danger going into the later rounds of that fight, you are all forgetting the fact that Cotto also still has to look out for his family. First, I am sure most of you would've quit after 1 round against Margarito, Cotto went 11. Now if he continues and is ruined you guys can all move on, but what about his wife who would have to care for him as he's suffering through brain damage or parkinson's or dementia? What about his children who would no longer have their father there to play and care for them? "Going Out On Your Shield" holds this certain valor but you are all forgetting the damage it leaves in its wake. Cotto absolutely did the right thing by taking the knee. When you're beat, you're beat. Why continue taking damage when you know you've got nothing left? That's not cowardly that's smart. Smart for his health and smart for his family and those that care for and love him
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Boxing God:  of course floyd accepted the fight when hatton called him out. his a lil guy who likes to wrestle, he wasnt gonna hurt floyd. hatton is overated homie. what happend when margarito called floyd out? floyd didnt accept it cause you know why... his a B1aTCH!!. he wasnt gonna gonna put a scratch on tony and he knew tony would go after him for 12 rounds. that was too risky for lil bitch floyd..stay retire homie..we dont need you.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Areglado :  I've been thinking about this lately as well. Sometimes, bravery and stupidity are one and the same, and we as mere fight fans have the luxury of extolling the first virtue while deliberately neglecting the second, because, well, it is a fight after all, and more than anything, more than skills, or talent, in a fight, we respect courage. We love fighters like Gatti and Ward, and Bobby Chacon and Bazooka Limon for the their courage. But for those of us who have seen them up close (I've spoken to...or at least tried to carry a conversation with Chacon), it becomes painfully apparent that sometimes the price of bravery in the ring is simply too high. As a fan, of course I would much rather have seen Cotto slug it out for another round. He probably would have been stopped anyway. But as a human being, as someone who's actually tried his hand at the sport and knows what it feels like to get one's brain knocked around, I have to say that sometimes, the safer choice is not the braver choice, but it is the wiser choice. Fact is, some fighter's constitutions are sturdier than others. There are the sport's genuine tough guys in LaMotta, Duran, JC Chavez, Dwight Qawi, Mickey Ward, and the like. And there are those whose talents lie elsewhere, who unfortunately were not blessed with some preternatural ability to absorb inhuman punishment, and some of these guys are "greats." Thomas Hearns comes to mind, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, and some will say Floyd Mayweather JR. (Given that he's never been punished really, i'd reserve judgment). Only Cotto knows what was going on within himself. Perhaps, as early as the end of the 10th, he was thinking "He got me. No gas left." and yet, made and attempt to fight the 11th. We don't know. If he had chosen to fight the 12th, he might have been carried out on a stretcher, and his career might have ended right then and there. Then what? We as fight fans are left with the memory of a true warrior who "went out on his shield," someone to wax nostalgic about, while Cotto is left collecting disability checks the rest of his life. I'm from neither PR or Mexico, and really wasn't rooting for anyone in this fight. I respected both fighters before this fight, and I continue to do so after the fight. Cotto surrendered because he'd hit Tony with everything he had and the Mexican kept coming forward. He was hurt himself, and things were just going to get worse from that point forward. He succumbed. He folded. He crumbled under the pressure. But he didn't quit. Duran. Now he quit. And Roberto Duran is my favorite fighter of all time. So that's saying something.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Eastar:  Na..na..na... na..na..na..na..na heeeyyyy gooodbye to that Quitter Cotton. Hey don,dummy when your finished playing with your "Zab Judah" doll, call your boy Cotto and tell him there's a job opening at Mcdonalds for him, lol.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
aaron, uk:  Bayliss refereed spot on as per usual, give him more of the big fights instead of Cortez.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Radam G:  Cotto has plenty of balls. Just getting in that hurt square with the likes of Margarito gives one plenty. And Margarito is no "Burrito," he is a true "Warrior" of any ethnicity. It doesn't matter what any anti-fan thinks about him. This anti-fan will not be dropping the moola in Margarito's bank account. Any man with the real stuff will salute Margarito, and not punk out with that sour grapes attitude. And Cotto didn't quit. He went out fighting like a true trooper. Holla!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Yuvie:  How can you call Cotto a coward? To those that do, have you ever even been in a fight with a guy that just doesn't hurt? It's not fun at all. Cotto was just in a hell of a fight , he did his part. He didn't exactly quit. Seriously though, when you're fighting a guy, you keep hitting him with everything you got, he keeps coming & starts to hurt you....you're gonna think twice. Dude was hurt. I think he would have got up if his trainer didn't jump in but then what would have happened? He could have got badly hurt. Dude won't be the same after that, if it had carried on, who knows what would have happened? Give respect to the guy & Margarito for giving us such a great fight.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
d:  Did Cotto quit? Yes Did Cotto run all night? Yes Did Cotto ever Hurt Margarito? NO was it a great fight? NO Cotto ran from the very first minute of the night and Margarito slowly walked him down. If that is what is a great fight the I am shocked. I knew from the first minute that Margarito was going to beat him. I saw Cotto hit a man 3 times and run away. While most of you in here dont like to see fighter fight that way Cotto and Oscar are proof that it is nearly impossible to do that for 12 rounds. Cotto, Oscar, Zab Judah and etc have proven that to fight the way that Mayweather fight takes a lot more talent than standing and banging.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Margarito #1 Fan:  my opinion I believe Mayweather is avoiding both Cotto and Margarito and he denied De La Hoya's rematch. wut a p***y. im a mexican and im a big fan of boxing and if ever mayfeather and Cotto were 2 go at it I'd root 4 Cotto just cuz of the loudmouth Mayfeather has and the b**ch he is. Cotto and Margarito would set his ass in his place and he knows it to. they offered him 8 mil 2 fight Margarito and he didnt accept it cuz he knows wuts coming 2 him. screw mayfeather.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Jonald:  It looks like Editor Mike's request of the readership to cease with the Mayweather bashing has gone unheeded (just an observation; I think Margarito would soundly beat Floyd, so I have no Mayweather allegiance). In any event, I do not believe that Miguel Cotto quit. Just because the fight didn't end with a Lennox Lewis versus Hasim Rahman 2 right hand does NOT mean the man quit. How can those of us watching with beer in hand in our respective living rooms criticize Cotto for that effort?? Hey look, Gerald McClelland looked like he could have gone on against Nigel Benn, and we know what happened there. Kudos to both guys for their amazing valor, for elevating TSS, and shining some much needed positive light on the sport. Margarito is simply at the peak of his powers right now. A man with an iron will and an absolutely granite chin.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  You See? Margarito #1 Fan (By the way, now it's EASY to be his #1 fan HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! You weren't here before the fight, so who's the "p***y"?) , wrote the FACT of why the so-called boxing"fans" hate him: "if ever mayfeather and Cotto were 2 go at it I'd root 4 Cotto just cuz of the loudmouth Mayfeather has and the b**ch he is." There's NOTHING worng with a guy who won SIX World Titles in FIVE different weightclasses which ONLY 3 GUYS IN BOXING HAS EVER DONE (DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU ALL OVERLOOK AND CRITICIZE THAT??????? HOW YOU PEOPLE CRITICIZE SOMEONE WHO'S DONE SOMETHING ONLY TWO OTHERS HAVE DONE IN THE F#$%ING HISTORY OF BOXING HAVE DONE. I don't care who it is: Floyd, Cotto, Oscar, whoever THAT is simply AMAZING. Let Cotto fight at 154, and let's see what happens) , and has retired ON THE TOP SPOT in the sport. People criticize him just because they want to see him lose. That's why the hostility, they want to see him lose. But it ain't going to happen. HE'S STILL UNDEFEATED.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Bulldog:  Cotto quit....he was losing, albeit in style, and never have i seen somone display so much class while a fight was slipping away. Cotto had the early rounds wrapped up but not so much towards the end of the fight. Margarito was edging it on points and bullying Cotto with so much ease. Cotto has looked near on invincible until this point, he himself was as shocked as 90 % of the boxing world that he couldnt impose himself on Margarito. This i believe was as much his undoing as anything else, he didnt get what he bargained for when facing Margarito, his will to carry on was taken from him unceremoneously. Cotto quite visibly could still display skill, he could hit his opponent, he could stand on two feet, he chose instead to take a knee, not once but twice. Many boxers have quit, but i havent witnessed many in Cottos position when they still have some chance of pulling something out of the bag, his heart is now questionable. As ive said before if all Cottos previous opponents or any other boxer finished the same way he did they would be called quitters....Cotto unfortunatley placed himself in this category. Im pretty sure he'll be wishing he'd continued to the end even if not altering the result, future opponents will all latch on to this. . .HMM Is that Donputo slating every1 not in agreeance with his opinion, the same Donputo 'Joe Cortez' is my uncle. Lol shame ya unc werent there to help yet another fighter out eh ;)
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Stik & Move:  I don't don't think Cotto was fighting a brilliant fight because as each round was going on he was spending to much energy trying to get away from Margarito.I knew that was going to catch up to him. He never stayed in the middle of the ring and turned Margarito, all he did was back up to the ropes and corners. It seemed as though he was more worried about what Margarito was doing rather then make Margarito worried about what he was going to do. Whenever he did throw his combinations he stopped Margarito. That's when he should of just turned Margarito instead of trying to get away. I think he should have went out and stood there toe to toe and fought him when he felt like he was getting to tired because if you look at Margarito's left eye it was swelling and as good a puncher Cotto is who knows what might have happen. I do feel like he chose to retire rather. I hate to say quit because I truly think Cotto is a tough guy but in boxing he basically TAPPED OUT..and that is a form of quitting and there's no tapping out in boxing.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
cripes:  Author mentions keyboard tappers and that's pretty much what he's doing here, questioning if Cotto had anything more to give. Clearly not, wasn't that obvious. So you wanted him to take one more final hard shot that rendred him unconcious. Dude fought his ass off for 11 rouns against The Terminator, how dare anyone including this author question if he tried enough when you have so many that won't even get it the ring with fighters like Margarito .
Monday Jul 28, 2008
MMA fan:  Like it or not, a boxer is required to go out on his shield, ala the late great Chico Corrales. Otherwise, he's considered soft, a frontrunner, unable to overcome adversity, etc. This perception is tough to shake and is a legacy wrecker that will always dog him (the first thing that comes to mind with Roberto Duran is "No Mas"). Hasim Rahman quit last week against Toney. Erik Morales laid an egg and quit against PacMan in their 3rd encounter. Bernard Hopkins tried to quit against Calzaghe. I think it's a testament to today's fighter being less tough than in yesteryear. These guys fight twice a year, generally against a bum and then a top 20 guy, and always look for a way out.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
juanm:  Its easy to question Cottos decision to quit. Any man would have quit if he knew deep in his heart that he hit the man in front of him with all the weapons at his disposal and still he comes forward and punishing you with every punch. Again, you are not giving Margarito credit for what hi did Saturday night. Did you not see the damage he was inflicting on Cottos body and face? Cotto did what he wanted to do. It simply wasn't enough to beat a guy like Tony Margarito. By the way, what fight were you watching? Although Cotto threw the nicest, crispest an more technically superior punches, he was still getting his ass kicked!! It was similar to JC Chavez win over. A few years back. Stop looking for excuses as to why Cotto lost and give Margarito the credit for whooping him!! He will do the same on the rematch, Cottos nice, crisp punches cannot hurt this man enough to beat him. You and any other man would fold under the same circumstances.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Arturo:  I want to see Calzhage take on a top dog the same way Margarito did on Saturday.So that all these people can reorganize their top P4P fighters.Cotto is still a good fighter , and I want to see what he's going to do next.Will he take it easy or maybe ask for a risky rematch? Margarito has the upper hand in the Welters right now , even Floyd must be thinking that he might hurt his fists on Margarito's chin if they fought.Radam himself said this was the year of the upsets.I can't imagine Oscar surviving the last 4 rounds against The Tornado if the fight was to be made.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
elias :  Cotto may have been bloodied and battered that night but he is also scoring at will with his crisp counters. had he perservered and continued scoring with his punches in bunches he could have won by decision.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
pao:  cotto is a very good fighter. although i was rooting for margarito, the fight also showed how much heart cotto had. i didn't think it would have been smarter for him to continue. he was getting hammered with punches that have felled lesser mortals in fewer hits. while cotto appeared to still be standing, he was obviously not in full control of his senses anymore. he did not (fully) voluntarily quit.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
berraco47:  The one thing that strikes me as very particular during this fight is that Miguel Cotto looked eerily similar to the way Zab Judah looked in taking a knee when he was getting punished by Cotto. It was like two mirror images. In my very humble opinion I think that Cotto succumbed to the pressure, but didn't quit. I mean the corner threw the towel, it's not like he checked out of the fight ala Kostya Tszyu. I don't think he had anything left in the tank and that's why he took the knees because he knew he couldn't slip the punches or keep Margarito off of him. That my friends is not quitting. Especially in a sport as unforgiving as boxing. I would call Rahman a quitter but Cotto is still a warrior in my book
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Son of Sam Peter:  First of all, Oscar De La Hoya wouldn't fight Antonio Margarito for the United States' $482 billion projected deficit. That fight is an absolute mismatch. Tony would stalk Oscar, throw his 100+ hard punches/round, take any and everything Oscar throws with a smile, and knock him out in the 5th or 6th round. I think Cotto is still a player, although he should avoid an immediate rematch. He needs to find out how much of himself he left in the ring Saturday night before he reenters that kind of hell. The welterweight division is replete with talent, so he can restore his confidence and gauge himself against someone less formidable. I do think Antonio would knock him out more quickly in a rematch, as is generally the case when the kayo'ed fights the kayo'er (Jermain Taylor being the exception of note in recent years). How about Margarito - Pavlik?? I don;t think it's that far fetched. The welterweight champ against the middleweight champ. I think Margarito's chin is such that even Kelly would have trouble hurting him. Antonio's at his boxing zenith right now, that's for sure.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Viel Mervic:  This fight really really proved that the Welterweight division is much more exciting when Gayweather isn't around. Add the fact that he now added another plus points in his thoughts entitled "Why I never want to fight Margarito". Gayweather also said his worth nowadays to fight is $100,000,000. Are you kidding me?! Will Smith doesn't even demand that, not even Denzel, and they're more famous than you in a lot of levels, like they're 100x more! Boxing is alive without Mayweather! Remember, 2008 is the year of your retirement and is also the year boxing has been doing so good in the last 5 years. Now do the math. Being undefeated nowadays is way overrated. And I guarantee you that even if you retire undefeated, the only boxer that'll come to mind in every person of this world is Rocky Marciano. Guys like Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao, Pavlik, Mosley, Campbell and Taylor who are respectful are some of the guys that embody the virtues of being a boxer. Not Mayweather! Mayweather embody the virtues of a criminal and a delinquent.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Stik & Move:  If someone can give me a name but name me someone who took a knee like Cotto did and not have his heart questioned. I once again think Cotto is a warrior but after reading a lot of the comments and most of the comments are very valid. But I keep thinking of when Meldrick Taylor fought Julio C. Chavez the first time and Chavez was the stronger puncher and Taylor had the fast hands and foot movement. But in the last round when Chavez hurt Taylor he still tried to fight Chavez and even though he got KO'd I think there was no respect lost for Taylor even though he lost. It's a catch 22 situation. I really don't want to see a rematch between Cotto and Margarito unless Cotto changes trainers because I do think that's a problem. No excuses for Cotto. Margarito was the better man on saturday night
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Scully:  I don't think he quit. I'm going to give Cotto the benefit of the doubt. Only he knows the true extent of what he was feeling, so I'm going to give him a pass. And look at his face. He was a beaten fighter. When I think of QUITTING, I think of Henry Akinwande (against Lennox), Bruce Seldon (Michael Gerard Tyson), Hasim Rahman (James Toney), Lamon Brewster (Wladimir Klitschko 2), Bobby Czyz (Evander Holyfield), Roberto Duran (Sugar Ray Leonard), Orlin Norris (Tyson), and Clifford Etienne (Valuev and Tyson). Miguel Cotto doesn't belong on the list.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Randolph:  Cotto was running from the very start. He knew that Margarito could finish him off at any round. He was running to survive.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Diego RIP:  The Hippocratic Oath of The Sweet Science is that a boxer goes out on his shield, NOT his knee. I'll invoke the spirit of the greatest warrior in recent memory, and one of the GREATEST warriors of all time, Diego Corrales. Against Mayweather, he was furious that he wasn't permitted to go out on his shield. If he was going to lose, he wanted to be knocked out. I have a feeling Diego looked down with great disappointment last Saturday.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  Viel Mervic, Floyd Mayweather Jr. would TOY with Margarito. How can you say Floyd is scared with a guy like Margarito? He had a good victory, but Miguel Cotto isn't great, he's good, but not great. Floyd would whooped Margarito with every boxing trick on the book.....................However, I agree with you 100 PERCENT about Floyd asking the ridiculous $100 Mil. That's just PLAIN STUPID. No boxer on Earth worths that much. And being undefeated is somewhat special. It's really great to see that big O on your loss record (Which Cotto doesn't have anymore HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). You can say nobody has beaten you, and only found victory all the way. And About Floyd representing the characteristics of criminal and delinquent, I know you probably meant it in a serious way, but that was funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
july elicierto:  In my view, Cotto did the right thing. He chosed to be smart knowing that no amount of effort on his part in that stage of the fight could have reversed the outcome. By doing what he did , he lives to fight another day. This is his first loss, by the way, so we really should not expect him to go beyond himself and go out in his shield, yet. He is in his prime and victories still awaits him so it would be foolish to totally ruin himself in a contest he knew he could never win that night. Maybe if he ever faces Margarito again in the square ring, then, that will be the time for him to go all-out, and in case of an impending defeat, to go out in his shield.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
C. Pena:  Back in February 1995 in a ring in London, Gerald McClellan took a knee and chose not to get up. Ferdie Pacheco exclaimed that "He quit, he quit! I can't believe he just quit! It was his heart, he didn't have the heart!" He was blinking furiously and had been for rounds. Well, he didn't quit, I think that much is for sure. Let's not be so quick to judge here. Perhaps Cotto felt something deeply wrong inside himself, and just perhaps if he pressed on in order to satisfy the blood lust of the public, he may be in darkness right now. You never know.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
SNAPPER-1:  1st of all, anyone who's never laced up the gloves and try training NOT sparring but training and knowing what it feels like to push it until you have absolutely zero left in tha tank shouldnt talk sh*T!! i have so i know. now just imagine someone fighting back and you cant keep him off of you even after you pretty much out boxed his ass for 11 rds. plain and simple the dude ran out of gas. too much is being made of this. he's not the 1st and certainly not the last to end a fight this way. GET OVER IT!! instead youz should focus on how Margorito broke his will. and SERIOUSLY you guys really need to stop mentioning floyd. he's NOT a factor anymore!! if you want to call some one a quitter its him and i like Mayweather.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
timmy:  I thought it was a great fight like mike tyson says though this is the marcus of queensberry rules not hopscotch...a guy should leave the ring on a stretcher if need be that is why they make the big money...
Monday Jul 28, 2008
donputo69:  hey scareweather not so legend?..answer me this question...if the "great scareweather"will toy with margarito, why doesnt he come out and challenge the champ?...gohead,,,bring on another excuse....because that is his middle name...margarito will eat that girl for dinner.....holla back ladies!!
Monday Jul 28, 2008
maseph02:  nice point Mr. Curtis, Cotto wasnt the level of margarito... and that is why scareweather is afraid of fighting margarito and cotto because he knows this fighter's caliber...hail both cotto and margarito esp. cotto who accepts the fight with margarito.... there is nothing to be ashamed especially when you are being beaten badly and might suffer injuries not this time but in the near future.... just be practical he cannot beat margarito
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Mo Boxing:  Hey MMA Fan, in MMA it's accepted to quit at the first sensation of pain yet in boxing it's a requirement to fight to the death. That's just the way it is in the respective gyms. That's why many boxers die of blood clots and MMA guys don't.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Anonymous user:  absolutely! just like arguello and joe fraizer to name a few. i dont care for the quiting. it was a matter of time but he should have tried to getthrough the last two rounds mike
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Margarito #1 Fan:  well s**t. i guess cotto could have said he was the greatest too if he retired undefeated before fighting margarito. but that's not how things are settled. in order for you to say floyd was better than cotto or margarito, he would need to fight either one. he chose to fight lesser opponents and then QUIT the sport instead of risking a loss. you call that the best? that sound like a b**ch to me.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Clark:  Cotto will realize after sometime that he should have continued that fight.. A fighter has always a chance in beating his opponent with a single punch.. I just hoped that he will continued that fight just like what the late Diego Corrales did..
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Dad:  I have the up most RESPECT for Miguel Cotto because unlike those other so called Best Pound for Pound or BIG name fighters with several different division titles never faced Antonio Margarito and I believe we know why. I believe to be the Best Pound for Pound you have to be able to beat all in that division and get all the belts which Miguel Cotto attempted and gave a great fight I might add. Miguel is one of the most classiest boxers I have witnessed so far (NO Trash talker and stepping up to the plate like he did). I am Mexican and believe these are the types of fights that could SAVE Boxing. I'm very proud of both fighters and believe it was this time for Antonio Margarito to shine and receive the respect that he deserves.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  "he chose to fight lesser opponents and then QUIT the sport instead of risking a loss. you call that the best? that sound like a b**ch to me. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Margarito #1 Fan, that was funny and I'm being sarcastic. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good one. See you around man.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Viel Mervic:  So why did Floyd turned the offer down before to fight Margarito?? How could you say that Gayweather is gonna TOY around with Margarito? Geez, Cotto did that (but not exactly the same with Floyd's style) but Margarito obliterated him. Oh btw, Floyd don't knock-out opponents. Even if he throws his hardest punches to Margarito, the Mexican will just laugh 'em off. Well of course I'm expecting Floyd to run from the beginning anyway. It's just a matter of time before these comments of mine and comments from almost every boxing fans in the world reach Floyd's senses. Let's just see how Gayweather will play it all out, or rather play his excuses out.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
Viel Mervic:  So why did Floyd turned the offer down before to fight Margarito?? How could you say that Gayweather is gonna TOY around with Margarito? Geez, Cotto did that (but not exactly the same with Floyd's style) but Margarito obliterated him. Oh btw, Floyd don't knock-out opponents. Even if he throws his hardest punches to Margarito, the Mexican will just laugh 'em off. Well of course I'm expecting Floyd to run from the beginning anyway. It's just a matter of time before these comments of mine and comments from almost every boxing fans in the world reach Floyd's senses. Let's just see how Gayweather will play it all out, or rather play his excuses out.
Monday Jul 28, 2008
cezpel:  You sound like you lost some cash in that fight! Cotto's presence of mind allowed him to avoid a concussive type of knockout and possibly save some of his faculties for later use in his life. Cut this warrior cr--. Boxing is a sport and a fighter has every right to decide when he feels he's had enough and doing that doesn't make him less of a man in my eyes! Give Margarito his just due and don't minimize the sacrifice that he too had to endure to secure his well earned victory.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:  Floyd would toy with him, making him miss and connecting flush to the face, body, rips, chest, shoulders, neck, hair, teeth DAMN! Everywhere! Floyd doesn't KO opponents??????? If he would of have 0 KO's in his record I understand but you should at his KO record. And about Floyd finishing Margarito, kid, Floyd can TKO him by cuts, OBVIOUSLY. And yes, time will tell if Floyd comesback, which I have a feeling he will and if he does that's gonna be ANOTHER HUGE MOUTH-SHUTTING to his attackers, especially a profesional clown from Brooklyn in this site.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Eastar:  Cotto was scared to go toe to toe like a real man, so he ran..And when that didn't work, he quit. END OF STORY, NUFF SAID....HOLLA, HATERS.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Pumkinescobar:  Cotto quit he quit he quit do you get that through your thick sculls cotto lovers he QUIT something that Mayweather would never do in a fight that is i nearly asked for Donputo to come at saying crap about he retired he's the real quitter not Cotto, there is a big diference between calling it a day on your carear than quiting like a dear caught in the headlights he hit the deck like like he had seen a million dollar bill on the matt and didnt want Margarito or the reff to get it before him. IF Cortez was the reff saturday do you think he would have gave the fight as a DQ for Cotto some of you may not have noticed but Magarito landed a shot on cotto when he was down on one knee.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
conway44:  Cotto should have continued the fight. He is heartless and looks very weak from my point of view. Considering his reputation as one of the pound for pound best. He will be judge by boxing fans by this fight and will be hounded by this fight till his retirement in boxing. A champion taking a safer route is unacceptable...
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Ututzki:  blah...blah...blah... say all you want. but the truth is very clear. COTTO QUITS. period.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Nuckle:  I would say Cotto never had that much heart from the beginning. I'll compare him to a school bully. He was so used to opponents being scared of him, running from him, and their will being broken that when he finally came across someone that's not scared to stand up to him the bully was exposed for the coward he truly is. You'll can say what you want, but pieces of this was shown when Judah was getting the best of him and he landed those low blows and when Mosley wouldn't back down he ran for the last rounds. Cotto will never be the same after this, its like the when Mike Tyson lost. No one will go into the ring fearing him anymore and he will not have that same confidence anymore. The writers and bloggers can sugar coat it all they want because of the great champ Cotto was and all that he's done in the ring before saturday night. But it is what it is, if it wasnt than we wouldn't be questioning his heart or will or cowardice or going out on his shield. True Story!
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Wisdom:  Margarito wrote the game plan for successfully beating Cotto. Unfortunately very few fighters have the physical and pychological fortitude to ever successfully execute the plan. Margarito has elevated if not placed himself in a unique class of fighter that wins by sheer force of will.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Wisdom:  Tyson was a bully because of his behavior both in and out of the ring. Tyson revelled in the damage he caused to his opponents; he belittled his opponents, when faced with real opposition he went over the line and bite a piece of Holyfield's ear off. Tyson bragged about "eating you children" and hitting a man with murderous intentions. That is a bully. Cotto on the other hand never slighted his opponents, hugged them after the fight ended (giving respect); he never bad-mouthed his opponents. When presented with the premise that he was a P4P great: his reply was that it was not his place to say. He never bullied anyone. He methodically beat his opponents and showed them respect. Were ther low blows and head butts? Yes, it's boxing not ballroom dancing. With respects to bullies; there appears to be quite a few on this site revelling in a great fighter's loss. Cotto is a great boxer who was beaten by a greater fighter.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Wisdom:  A strong return against strong competition and untimately a strong rematch (win or lose) with Margarito will exorcise whatever demons may haunt Cotto.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Papo:  I believe that the only one that can answer that question is Cotto. If indeed he feels like he may have had something left and he truly is a champion it will one day show in his still active career. I wonder if there is anyone out the that has quit in life only to realize that's not who you are, and have come back deciding never to quit again. I remember hearing George Foreman say that he promised himself after the Ali fight that he would never lose by a KO again, and he never did. He also came back to be the oldest heavyweight champion to this day. I believe Cotto is a champion and that he will be back, and if he does feel like he could have given more, if ever presented with that opportunity again, I'm sure he'll give his all to avoid feeling what he may be feeling if he didn't.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
dan:  emaneual steward heard cotto tell the ref he was done. so there really is no question as to whether he quit. i like cotto even though he quit but he will never be the same again. if he could come back it beat margarito i think that would be a testament to greatness but he wont. quiters keep quiting that being said one in a billion wont quit. true gameness is like a 20 carat diamond, very difficult to find.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
emmanuel mallari, jr:  If I am Cotto and boxing fans will call me a quiter, in quitting.... so be it. I am the one on top of the ring, not them.... ... and live another day...
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Joe Perez:  Going into the 11th round I also had it 95 t0 95 with several rounds being very close. In the start, Coto did well and won round 1 then lost round two. He won 4 more after that and then it was all Margarito. The shots to his body were his undoing and Margarito knew it. Margarito stuck to his game plan and prevailed. I take nothing away from Coto for taking a knee as these tow warriors gave us a fight that has been lacking in the fight scene for too long.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Robert Curtis:  The Tyson comparison is shaky for several reasons. Mike always had emotional problems and vulnerabilities which I don't think Cotto has. And though Tyson has no doubt quit a few fights, no one can say he didn't hang in with Buster or Lennox when his face was catching shot after shot. Tyson was like a bird in Lennox's teeth, but he stayed on his feet. I call that going out on your shield. Yeah, I say I admire those warriors who won't quit. But I hope no one really thinks Cotto is a coward. I certainly don't believe that. Cotto's real test is what he does next. A loss could teach Cotto more than he ever knew. Boxing is incredibly dangerous to the brain tissue. The skull is the target itself. That is what this brutal hurt business we perversely enjoy is all about: guys getting their brains beaten into pate. Cotto was wise. He didn't stop because he thought he MIGHT get hurt. He stopped because he WAS hurt and bad. If Cotto thinks he can get back into the gym and expand his gas tank a round or two, then we could see a great rematch. Cotto has great natural ability. If he's thinking straight, the future is his.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
ben oconnor:  eastar: - what the hell are you talking about chief! glad margarito "took him out" he didnt take him out cotto took a knee, i thought that was the whole point of this discussion????. Take all this negative attacking and childish banter somewhere else, you show no respect to people who deserve it. great piece by the way really enjoyed it. people who like to see people knocked out on a stretcher or fight until they are literally unconcious in every fight should be writting on a ufc story! sure i like a spectacular knockout as much as the next man , but boxing is both extremely skillful as well extremely brutal in the blink of an eye. this is boxing ....ya know the sweetscience? dont see anything sweet or scientific about fighting until you are knocked out when you have given your all and you know its not enough!!!
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Wisdom:  Eastar and his ilk, through their constant childishness and ad hominem attacks have relegated themselves to irrelanvancy.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
the puncher:  Guys....I'm a Cotto fan and by taking a knee means that a boxer quit. Don't care if he was hurt or not....he quit the same way Joe Frazier did with Ali when he stayed on the stool in the 14th round. Margarito took the lead in the fight by the 7th round and Cotto stayed the course, back peddeling the entire fight. The only way you can have a chance to beat Margarito is staying in the center of the ring and throwing first. Cotto waisted to much energy moving back while Margo was fresh moving foward. I will love to see a re-match and with a different approach by Cotto. I strongly believe he will have a chance, but moving back is not the anwser. Again....the boxing theory of two good boxers....most of the time the "bigger" one will win.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Radam G:  Wow! I am really amazed at the fakery (if that is a word) of the pseudoexperts. Trust me! Cotto didn't quit or take a knee. He was what is called in boxing delay-effect of a shot -- a delay knock down. He got knocked straight down the first time, then the second time he was still not head clear and went down again -- punches sent him down, not cowardice. The dude is a warrior -- one tough cat! He would never quit, knownly. If his corner would not have surrendered him, he would have tried to fight on. Those who have never been in the ring or in the game of the hurt business, don't know jack. Fighters fight! And without going into details, I'm not in the mood to educate the naive and fakers. But I can prove that three out of five times, the smaller boxer wins. Where this "bigger"-one $hit comes from, I don't know. Hearns was bigger, Leonard won. Hagler was bigger Leonard won. Willard was bigger, Demsey won. The the late, great Corrales was bigger, Mayweather won. The late Sonny Liston was bigger, Ali. Gerry Cooney was bigger, Holmes won. Breland was bigger, Stallings won. Most of the heavies were bigger during the Tyson's era were bigger, but Tyson won. Goliah (name misspelled) was bigger, David won. An elephant is bigger, but the rat usually win. A prime Sugar Ray Robinson was bigger, but Jake LaMotta won. Forrest was bigger, but Mayorga won twice. Big Money O was bigger, but Sugar Shane Mosley won twice. Paul Williams was bigger, but Quintina won clearly in fight I. Forrest was bigger, but Mora toast that a$$. Come on, MAN! Cut the "theory" crap. Size is one of the props to sell the hurt business. It is about getting paying butts to view the bouts. Fighters fight, and great ones find ways to win, not stupid "theory" and excuses about size. If Cotto straight up his game in the next bout, he will win just as Joe Louis did in the second bout again Max Scheming, just as Sugar Ray Leonard did in the second bout against Roberto Duran, and there are more, etc., etc., Holla!
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
rudy:  Floyd is a retired disgrace, enough bringing him up. The guy dont matter in this game right now.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
J:  Quit? Who quit? If Cotto wanted to give up her could have done it much earlier than when he was savaged in the 11th. He could have done it after he was beaten up for almost the entire duration of the seventh round. He could have quit instead of getting up for more after the first knockdown in the eleventh, with his face covered in blood. The tone of this article is out of touch with reality.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
J:  And it was his corner that jumped in. His corner man was on the apron when Bayless administered the second count. Cotto had no choice as to whether he should quit or not. The decision was made for him. How many times have you seen a fight ended by the corner and then there proceeds to be a three way discussion between the fighter, corner and referee on whether they really should stop it or not? Ridiculous.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
J:  You should be grateful Cotto allowed you to see a great performance and an even better fight rather than questioning him. What do you want, to see him dead so that his performance will better fit in with your idea of what is required of a warrior?
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Eastar:  Hey, Wisdom tooth, shut your fake psychology ass up, clown! You don't see how these TSS writers ( and readers ) bash Floyd Mayweather on a constant basis? If not, your the one who's irrelavent. I bash Cotto, they bash Floyd - it's one big birthday BASH, lol..... Ya dig?
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Justin:  I believe Cotto had a broken nose that was bleading badly into his mouth making it difficult to breath.I saw him spit sevaral times mouthfulls of blood.I think he should of tried to fight on BUT what do I know I just watch the fights, I am not a fighter maybe I wished he continued so I could see him get KO I mean a real ten count........Margaritto should move up in weight Pavlik should move down and that would be a great fight,,,,
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
#1 pacfan P4P KING:  My opinion with this is I give Cotto a whole lot of respect for fighting Margarito.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
#1 pacfan P4P KING:  Cotto will be back you'll see, most of the time you need a taste of defeat to make you become a better fighter, wiser and smarter which I hope is the case with Cotto.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
richie:  cotto had nothing left, it looked like he felt he can't last he full 12 rounds in round 9 so he punched margarito as hard as he can for 2 rounds and had nothing left after that, ithink taking a knee is still better than running or clenching and hoping for the fight to end, it's very disheartening to see an opponent come forward time and time again after you hit him with your best shots, not a step backward, it's easier when you see a rocky balboa fall to the canvas 2 or 3 times.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Wisdom:  Eastar = irrelevant. All you know how to do is attack the blogger when you cannot argue the merits of the debate. Today is the first time I've ever entered a comment but I've been reading these blogs for months and see the pattern.If you cannot stay on point and feel it neccessary to interject Mayweather into every discussion you are either obsessed or stupid. You choose. Act your age. It appears that you have no real idea was boxing is all about ... ultimately it's about respect. A concept alien to you and the other haters in cyberspace.......You don't exist and this is the last time I will bother to read anything that you write. You're a FOOL. I don't bother with FOOLS and recommend that no one else waste their time. Eres un maricon sin huevos ... ya dig!!!!
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Eastar:  .........Anyway. As I was saying. The name of the article is called "Going Out On Your Shield". Not going out on your towel. Not going out on one knee, "Going Out On Your Shield, lol. So did Cotto go out on his "shield" ? NO! is he a QUITTER? YES. NUFF SAID... Holla
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Fan:  Anyone who saw that fight and thought Cotto was winning until the 11th round are nuts! If you listened to the inept HBO announcers you'd have thought Cotto had won every round. I've re-watched this fight 3 times now and each time, I've noticed Cotto's will started to break after the 3rd round. Granted, he's firing his entire arsenal throughout the fight. However, Margarito never takes a backward step throughout the fight. Margarito's body work along with his constant pressure was too much for Cotto from round 3 until the end. Cotto did his best, but there was no need to continue because he could have been seriously injured or even killed at the point where he submits. Margarito broke Cotto's will to fight and it will be interesting to see if he ever fully recovers from the beating that he took physically and Psychologically.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
sweetpotato:  cotto kneeldown for the 2nd time & looks at his corner, just like telling them "hey guys! i cant take anymore punishments, pls stop the fight"..
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Robert Curtis:  Folks are awful agressive on TSS these days. The poor economy must be making folks edgy. Maybe a lot of fight fans have suffered lay-offs and have more time to type and gripe at their keyboards? I'm seeing a lot of mean spirited exchanges and not much humility. I'm guessing few of the big bad bomb-throwers here have serious ring experience. I'll admit that I don't. Nope. Not one actual round in harm's way. But I hesitate to dismiss someone as a quitter or a coward who is covered with blood and brain-battered in the 11th round. I first stepped into a boxing gym at age 40 just to train and never topped five rounds on the pads. I can only imagine my heart racing like a hummingbird's and blood choking my air passages and some long armed tornado pounding on my head and I can't protect myself even as I see the shots coming! Can anyone who hasn't been there? All the bad mamma jammas who write like they are God with a mouse and a keyboard, think about what you would do. I'm feeling mighty safe sitting here at my computer tapping my inexpert opinions and intellectualizing. I wasn't in Cotto's slippers Saturday night. Let's all wake up in that nightmare, God forbid, and see which road any of us would take.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
jpj:  You guys who like your boxers to go out on their shield don't like boxers much. Diego was never the same after Castillo, Trinidad was never the same after Hopkins, Meldrick was never the same after Chavez, Moore was never the same after Duran, the list goes on and on. Refs and corners are often too brave for the fighter, and the fighter pays with his life. I respect these athletes like no others, and I hate to see a late stopage and then guys in the pub complain and say sh*t like "he could have taken more". And I can't believe someone on this thread called Joe Frazier a quiter - ultimate ignorance and disrespect.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
Jeremy:  You guys who like your boxers to go out on their shield don't like boxers much. Diego was never the same after Castillo, Trinidad was never the same after Hopkins, Meldrick was never the same after Chavez, Moore was never the same after Duran, the list goes on and on. Refs and corners are often too brave for the fighter, and the fighter pays with his life. I respect these athletes like no others, and I hate to see a late stopage and then guys in the pub complain and say sh*t like "he could have taken more". And I can't believe someone on this thread called Joe Frazier a quiter - ultimate ignorance and disrespect.
Tuesday Jul 29, 2008
ben oconnor:  perfect wisdom perfect. eastar you are mind numbinglly boring just like floyd, only difference is floyd is a genius and a absolute legend, and you...............well i wont even go there. back to boxing please all!!!
Wednesday Jul 30, 2008
astolfo21@aol.com:  Dear Radame G, if you know anything about boxing the term "bigger" means that the BODY STRUCTURE" of the boxer is "THICKER". If you look at the list of fights you mentioned you are talking about height which is never in question. As I stated it is the theory which means that if you have that sitiuation that is most likely what is going to happen. Hearns was taller, not thicker than Leonard. Hagler was thicker and got robbed (watch the fight). Willard was a giant....not thicker than Jack, Corrales was a tall rail when he faught May. Liston was equally built as Ali, Gerry Cooney was just a tall white dude but not bigger than Holmes, Breland was another rail when he faught Stallings. Most of the heavies were taller than Tyson's until he faught Buster and another thick guy Hollyfield, Sugar Ray Robinson was taller than LaMotta, Forrest was taller than Mayorga, Big Money O was taller while Sugar Shane Mosley won "thicker", and I can go on and on. You say you know boxing, but if you ever did it as a Pro or as an ama.....you would know what you are talking about. And by the way if you look at the fight (check HBO) he went down on his own. He even talks to the PR paper stating that he knew that were was no need to continue getting hit when he knew he was hurt. Read the definition in a webster dictionary - QUIT: ....ABANDON, TO GIVE UP, TO CEASE OR STOP NORMAL ACTION....ETC Dude I still think that he can take Margo and beat him, but if he does the same thing, does not get thicker he will lose. Does not have that body structure to endure such a pace! Learn buddy, learn.
Wednesday Jul 30, 2008
Francisco:  Cotto has heart and courage. Cotto had nothing left. If he could have mustered the strength to get up and throw a few more punches he would have. He had absolutely nothing left in the tank. Margarito is a savage motherfu**er. Period point blank. I was there watching this fight live. I could see it on Cotto's face that he had nothing left. That is why he skipped across the ring and took a knee. So to answer the questions, Cotto did his best and he had nothing left. If so, he would have gotten up and went out "on his shield" He is a true warrior. Viva Mexico y Margarito.
Wednesday Jul 30, 2008

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