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Tuesday Jul 22, 2008

The Tornado has lost fights a great, or even really, really good fighter would win. That semi stigma will be erased if he bests Cotto, though, Nguyen says.

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Margarito=Good, Or Great?

By John Nguyen

When it comes to boxing history, fighters are placed in two categories:  those who are great, and those who are not.  While the classifications for how fighters are remembered are simple enough, the criteria for determining greatness are anything but clear-cut.  A fighter's historical standing is dealt with on a case-by-case basis, and is as subjective as any matter involving human opinion.   

Some of the factors considered when evaluating a fighter's place in history almost go without saying:  exceptional physical talent and skill, consistency, longevity, and established dominance over quality opposition.  If a fighter can achieve the necessary combination of these factors, the rarest of boxing titles can be attained:  ring immortality. 

A boxer's career, then, is basically their case for greatness in boxing's court of public opinion.  Often times, the verdict is reached quickly and conclusively, with the vast majority of fighters falling short.  Other times, however, the deliberation regarding a fighter's historical standing lingers. 

Antonio Margarito is one such case. 

A long-time player in a division as deep as the Pacific floor, Margarito has been a tough fighter to assess when it comes to his place in history.  According to the usual criteria for greatness, Margarito fits the bill for almost all the prerequisites.   

The Tijuana native clearly possesses exceptional physical gifts.  His hulking frame looks like that of a middleweight, an asset he uses to his advantage in brutalizing his opponents. 

As far as consistency, fans know what to expect from Antonio Margarito each time he steps between the ropes.  The Tijuana Tornado brings his trademark style with him into every fight:  relentless, savage aggression, indomitable will, and the pride that has defined generations of Mexican warriors. 

If longevity is a component of greatness, Margarito's tenure at the top of the welterweight division is proof positive of his staying power.  His stay among the elite 147-pounders has spanned the title reigns of Mosley, Forrest, and Mayweather.  That is a long time to be hanging around some of the sport's biggest guns. 

So far, the case for Margarito's admittance to the hallowed halls of boxing immortality seems like a solid one.  That is, until the issue of career-defining wins comes up. 

To be fair, Antonio Margarito's hard luck in finding a great foil has largely been beyond his control.     As mentioned earlier, Margarito has been a looming presence during the title reigns of some of the sport's biggest stars, none of whom thought it to be sound business practice to take on a threat like Margarito.  There are now fabled reports of high-profile superstars Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather turning down multi-million dollar offers to fight Margarito.  This shameless avoidance of Margarito gained him the well-earned tag of the most feared man in boxing. 

Obviously, it's hard for a guy to net a significant win when the top guys sidestep him with the swiftness of a presidential candidate.  Margarito was left to make do with what he could, which meant beating the tar out of B-level opponents.  Unfortunately for him, crushing the Sebastian Lujans and Golden Johnsons of the world do not make for a lasting legacy.  Even Margarito's two beatdowns of the hard-punching, but very limited Kermit Cintron do not seal his place in history.  It takes a whole lot more to be remembered alongside the great ones. 

It's abundantly clear that a lack of willing foes has hurt Antonio Margarito in his quest to be recognized as this era's top welterweight, but not all of the blame can be cast off Margarito so easily.  He bears some responsibility in the stalled momentum of his career. 

In his two biggest fights against his two best opponents to date, Margarito came up short on both occasions.  In his 2004 venture up to junior middleweight, Margarito dropped a razor-thin technical decision to tough title-holder Daniel Santos in a fight that went to the scorecards after a headbutt caused a severe cut over Margarito's eye.  The fight itself was an exciting, give-and-take affair, and the result could have gone either way. 

In 2007, Margarito lost a close, but clear-cut decision to then undefeated Paul Williams, which initially  cost him a shot at Miguel Cotto.  Against Williams, a slow start by Margarito proved costly, as a late rally by the Mexican star was not enough to turn the tide. 

Now, it is worth mentioning that neither of these fights were anything for Margarito to be ashamed of.  He was competitive for every second of each bout.  But that isn't the point. 

The losses that Margarito suffered to Santos and Williams are the types of fights that the great ones are supposed to win.  Leonard found a way to beat Hearns.  Ali, then Cassius Clay, rallied through adversity to stop Sonny Liston.  Great fighters find a way to win when good fighters can't.  Maybe the best of this era did avoid Margarito, but the incontrovertible fact of the matter is that, when faced with two huge opportunities to make statements regarding his legacy, Antonio Margarito came up short. 

Where Antonio Margarito will find himself on Saturday night is a place where any fighter would long to be:  one of possible redemption.  He will find himself in the position to set all things right if he can win one fight.  The problem is, he will be standing across from a fighter in Miguel Cotto who is making his own charge for boxing history.  A win for Margarito doesn't quite close his case for ring immortality, but it sure helps, and would serve as his biggest win by far.  A victory places his career trajectory into another stratosphere of the sport. 

Thus, Antonio Margarito is at the proverbial crossroads.  It isn't that a loss on Saturday puts an end to Margarito's career.  Regardless of the outcome on Saturday night, big fights likely still await the fighting pride of Tijuana.  Realistically, though, his upcoming fight with Miguel Cotto will be his last opportunity to stake his claim in boxing history.  A loss ends all talk of greatness, and Margarito's legacy will suffer the same fate met by most fighters who didn't make the cut. 

In boxing, there is a very discernible difference between good and great, and, one way or another, his battle with Miguel Cotto will show us how history will remember Margarito.  Some fighters go an entire career without a chance at achieving greatness.  Antonio Margarito hopes to make the most of his last dance with destiny on Saturday night.

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donputo69:  Good.
Tuesday Jul 22, 2008 08:23:59 PM
Radam G:  I don't think that this bout will hurt or hamper Margarito, but he will probably lose it. Styles make fights. Cotto is not the right style for Margarito. It will not be a good night for Margarito, and not a great night for Cotto. But Cotto will get the job done and should get the win. Nevertheless, since the bout is in Las Vegas and Cotto is from the East Coast, the bout may end in a controversial draw. I am putting money on a win for Cotto and on a draw. Either way I expect to lead Vegas with deep, fat pockets of serious cash. This way I will have plenty to gamble on the comeback beat down of Cotto by Money May. And, hopefully, the knockout of Ricky Hatton by the P4P best -- you know who. Holla!
Tuesday Jul 22, 2008 09:09:50 PM
DaveB:  Styles make fights. Williams is not a good style for Margarito but Cotto is. After the Williams fight I was dissappointed that the Cotto fight was delayed because I knew it would be a great action packed fight. I guess I'll go with Cotto but I will not be surprised if Margarito puts it to him. That is what is so great about these kind of fights. You are never really sure who will win and that makes this thing so exciting.
Tuesday Jul 22, 2008 09:10:17 PM
donputo69:  yo fadam z....stop mentioning scarefeathers name...they gonna get at you....YOU ARE NOT ALLOW TO SAY HIS NAME ANYMORE.........in fact,,,this is a cotto vs margarito article...leave that bum retire..we dont need him....but i aint gonna front...i want him to come back.....so he can get his @$$ ktfo...by who?...you know who...THE TRUE WELTERWEIGHT CHAMP.......MIGUEL COTTO....holla back losers......
Tuesday Jul 22, 2008 09:27:24 PM
aprsg2000:  juanm is an idiot! juanm is an idiot! juanm is an idiot! juanm is an idiot! juanm is an idiot!
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 05:46:46 AM
rudy:  Margarito KO 7, too much firepower from the tough Mexicano.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 07:52:24 AM
Cisco:  For the record: I am a follower and supporter of both Margarito and Cotto. Margarito has been my favorite fighter since his destruction of Andrew Lewis. So for me, this is what I've been waiting for. I respect and admire Cotto for what he has done. He is a no sh*t real fighter, unlike Fraud Gayweather. I feel in my heart that Margarito will Knock Out Cotto on or around the 9th round.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 10:29:26 AM
Haitian Greg:  This is a very intriguing fight. On one hand, Cotto holds the technical edge with his ability to both punch and box (watch to see if the southpaw switch has a big impact on the fight). Margarito has a high skill level and lots of power. I could see him putting Cotto away by the 4th or even a late tko. Either way, this is going to probably be Fight of the Year.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 10:38:50 AM
Yuvie:  It's a hard one to judge since Margarito has never really fought a big name until now. I've always been a fan of Margarito and I'm predicting a knockout win from Margarito this weekend. I just don't think Cotto is powerful enough to knock Margarito out and he'll have to use his skills, he'll frustrate Margarito but Margarito will get to him in the end. I'm going for 10th round tko. That's my heart. Now my head is saying, Margarito has never fought anyone on the level of Cotto and it might show. We could see a competitive fight but with Cotto clearly winning the rounds for a decision win. It's a hard fight to call but whatever the result it's gonna be an enjoyable fight. I don't care who wins.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 11:58:34 AM
Yuvie:  It's a hard one to judge since Margarito has never really fought a big name until now. I've always been a fan of Margarito and I'm predicting a knockout win from Margarito this weekend. I just don't think Cotto is powerful enough to knock Margarito out and he'll have to use his skills, he'll frustrate Margarito but Margarito will get to him in the end. I'm going for 10th round tko. That's my heart. Now my head is saying, Margarito has never fought anyone on the level of Cotto and it might show. We could see a competitive fight but with Cotto clearly winning the rounds for a decision win. It's a hard fight to call but whatever the result it's gonna be an enjoyable fight. I don't care who wins.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 12:00:53 PM
Ray:  I too like both Margarito and Cotto. However I think Margarito will win by TKO by the 9th round.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 12:29:54 PM
Smiley C:  Cisco, greasy brains! Stop the fraud and gay $hit! Cotto is going to kayo Margarito in nine rounds. Who has this Tijuana Tomato ever fought? Everytime that he fought a live body, he got scorched. This tomato has lost five times to Class B-minus fighters. Cotto is an A+, and he is going break bones in the wild-swinging Margarito face. Fo' sure!
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 12:29:59 PM
Eastar:  Margarito = Good, or Great? Mar-Barrito is the under-dog against a "good" fighter, so what does that tell you?
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 03:21:49 PM
andy from newcastle:  Repost, cos I want to go read espn. Leave you guys alone for five minutes and see what you get up to? Behave. It started off like a singles column, "5'8" NS, GSH, seeks...." and ended up like Jerry bleedin' Springer. Bottom line, we're all winners, apart from Eastar. How could anybody sane and in love with boxing, think Saturday is going to be a snore fest? He's got to be the guru Tuggin Ma Puddin from Love Guru, and having us all on. I have been a fan of Cotto since he turned pro, but I really think Margarito has the Mexican warrior fortitude and mentality to draw Miguel into places he shouldn't go. Like Yuvie, I can't decide which way it will go, but I know it will push Vasquez Marquez III for FOTY. This is going to be special. Don and Radam, you are lucky that you will be able to tell your grandkids you were there, but you should also hunt each other out to share a beer as two of TSS world's most prolific commentators. How cool would that be? Hey maybe I should be a guru. Toonoy
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 04:20:18 PM
Saul:  I like Margarito in this one. I want him to win.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 04:48:18 PM
Eastar:  Hey, andy from whitecastle, are you done cooling Radam G, and donputo69 off yet? Good. Cuz I could loan you the money if you want to buy a ticket you bum. This fight is being over hyped, and whenever you get two B- fighters in the ring in an overhyped fight, I always end up falling asleep. Mar-Barrito is a one dimensional fighter who just comes foward and throws a lot of punches. "ricky" riCotto fights for eight rounds then runs out of gas before he runs around the ring, desperately trying to avoid getting knocked out. wake me up when its over, I'll watch the replay next week. Holla
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 05:35:17 PM
Eastar:  Hey, andy from whitecastle, are you done cooling Radam G, and donputo69 off yet? Good. Cuz I could loan you the money if you want to buy a ticket you bum. This fight is being over hyped, and whenever you get two B- fighters in the ring in an overhyped fight, I always end up falling asleep. Mar-Barrito is a one dimensional fighter who just comes foward and throws a lot of punches. "ricky" riCotto fights for eight rounds then runs out of gas before he runs around the ring, desperately trying to avoid getting knocked out. wake me up when its over, I'll watch the replay next week. Holla
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 05:37:34 PM
959 Santa:  Cotto will beat Margarito. Cotto is the better fighter. Easter, don't count on watching the replay. Where's the replay of Diaz and Pacquaio. HBO could be starting something new not showing the replay's. I saw a message today about ordering the Cotto Margarito fight for $39.95, order today. Might want to re-think that. Anyway's cheer's.Don't ya think Cotto vs. Margarito is worth $39.95. Make a deal with your cable company. Watching Cotto vs. Judah and Mosley on, On Demand right now!. I think $39.95 is better than $49.95.Can't wait for Cotto Margarito. I holla back!
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 07:15:26 PM
donputo69:  you see everybody?...thats why easter bunny is an idiot....do ya read the kindergarden comments he be leaving?..lmfaooooo....he still thinks he's in the 1st grade...lmfaoooo......i dont blame him....keep it up dumb....holla back losers!!!!
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 07:31:44 PM
donputo69:  COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,COTTO,...............THATS WHAT I'LL BE SAYING SATURDAY NIGHT ALLNIGHT!!!!!!!!HOLLA BACK MONKEYS.....
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 07:51:37 PM
andy from newcastle:  Okay Eastar, your loss. Anyways, you still didn't explain to me what Mar-Barrito means. Just curious. Toonoy
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 08:37:55 PM
Eastar:  Okay andy from whitcastle. Is a Mar-Barrito explaination what you crave? Then here goes: Burritos are a Mexican food; Margarito is Mexican. Burritos are soft; Margarito is soft.....and so are you, clown
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 09:41:33 PM
Eastar:  P.S. They didn't show the replay of Wacquiao vs. Diaz because the fight sucked. Diaz is ( was ) a paper champ. HBO IS starting something new; They're starting to not replay wack ass matchups with overrated fighters. Wacman is the asterisk p4p champ because they had to fill the Mayweather void. Holla fruitcakes, lol.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 09:53:37 PM
donputo69:  and i thought i mention scareweathers name alot...look at this fool easter bunny....i think he sleeps with a scareweather picture under his pillow...lmfaooooo.......and easter bunny...please stop trying to be like me....THERES ONLY 1 DONPUTO69....listen bozo...pacman EARNED THAT P4P king by beating the best...morales,barrera,marquez,and diaz...well...diaz was OK...C fighter...but he still be the other best mexi-cants out there...SO....go back to your bed and tell your boy scareweather not so legend to read you a bed time story.....LMFAOOOOOO.....holla back borachones....
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 10:05:33 PM
Eastar:  pacman EARNED THAT P4P king by beating the best...morales ( old ),barrera ( old ),marquez ( beat Wacman twice ),and diaz...well...diaz was OK...C fighter..... you said it, dumpato69, haha...!
Wednesday Jul 23, 2008 10:31:38 PM
BOB:  Cotto is great, Margarito is good But good fighters have upset great fighters in the past and I think Margarito is going to cause an upset Saturday night. This fight is building up to be FOTY and i am getting the shakes already just thinking about these warriors knocking lumps out of each other. P.S Andy do you support the toon or are you just a boxing fan?
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 06:24:43 AM
donputo69:  lmfaooooo....easter bunny a.k.a dumb is an idiot...now marquez is old?....you wanna compare these old guys to your girl mayfeathers opponents?....over the hill gatti?....woooo hooooo...washed up dlh?...and he got a split dec.?....fatdomir?...great.....140 pounder hatton?...that he almost got ktfo by my boy from bklyn collazo?.....bruseles?....jeeeeez.....those are some GREAT opponents scareweather has fought....wooopi damn do.....keep your mouth shut and stay watching your girl scarewether shake her @$$ with the dancing stars...this boxing...your girl dont belong here....holla back easter bozo....
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 09:48:49 AM
andy from newcastle:  Ahhh, thanks Eastar, get it now. My bad, I should have worked it out, but I mistakingly thought it would be something clever and witty. Okay, next, explain the whitecastle bit. We've got a Whitechapel, and an Elephant and Castle, but these ain't the Toon- though we are a Black and White Army. Howay the lads. Toonoy
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 11:07:46 AM
andy from newcastle:  Bob. Yep, though I haven't lived in Newcastle for nearly 30 years, or the UK for the last 15. Footie has taken a back seat to my first love, boxing, over the past couple of years. Been quite a while since the north-east had even a half decent fighter (off the terraces that is). Toonoy is a nod of appreciation to me old cyber mate Radam G
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 11:26:32 AM
Eastar:  Hey, you, dumpato if you learned how to read in your country you'll see that after Marqeuz name it says in parenthesis that he beat Paquiao twice, not that he's old you idiot, LOL!!!!!!!!! Talk about Dumb...
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 11:29:29 AM
donputo69:  easter bunny...you're an idiota....your comments dont make any sense....CAN YOU PLEASE TRY TO EXPLAIN YOUR SELF CLEARLY?....im so confuse when you post your pre-k comments....im serious......lmfaooooooo.....and im sorry if i be hurting your feelings when i talk about your clown @$$.....NOT.....lmfaoooooo.....you bozo......holla back losers....
Thursday Jul 24, 2008 12:56:16 PM

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