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Friday Jul 18, 2008


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James Toney On Klitschkos: "They're Garbage"

By Ron Borges

James Toney was fit to be tied, which generally means he’s feeling just fine.

 

It had been less than 24 hours since the four-time world champion convinced former heavyweight belt holder Hasim Rahman to quit in his corner after three rounds despite a doctor’s advice that that really wasn’t necessary and he was still relishing a victory that has made him suddenly relevant again in the heavyweight division. Or so he kept loudly insisting.

 

“They’re all going to run from James Toney,’’ the soon to become 40-year-old roared through a phone from the West Coast. “I want to fight the biggest and the best out there. I ain’t one of those cowards. I fight the best and I put them on their ass.

 

“I watched two rounds of (Wladimir) Klitschko fighting some bum from D.C. (Tony Thompson) and shut it off (thus missing the nine less than compelling rounds that followed before Thompson sat out a 10-count). HBO should be shot in the ass for spewing out all that money to him and his sister, Vitali. That’s right, fool, his sister can’t fight either. They won’t fight anybody so they sure won’t fight me.

 

“These European fighters, these English fighters (read newly elevated former cruiserweight champion David Haye there) can’t get no respect from me. They’re garbage. Those overseas guys get force fed bums then they come over here and get destroyed. Look what happened to that boy (Ricky) Hatton.

 

“I’m a real fighter. I’ll fight anybody. Those Europeans? Garbage!’’

 

That may not be the most diplomatic way to convince someone like the brothers Klitschko or WBC champion Samuel Peter to face him but Toney can always argue he didn’t take a shot at African-born fighters like Peter, with whom he lost first a split decision and then a unanimous one in back-to-back title elimination fights which, while they may have derailed Toney for a time, have obviously yet to eliminate him.

 

Rahman learned that the hard way even before their Wednesday night confrontation ended in three rounds with a cut above his right eye causing him apparent heart failure. When Toney showed up several days before the fight at the Pechanga Resort and Casino in far better physical condition than his many critics expected, Rahman’s resolve, according to Toney, began to wane.

 

Although he had failed to reach 218 pounds, as Toney had predicted he would, he did manage to come in nearly 10 pounds lighter than when he last faced Rahman two years earlier and fought him to a lackluster draw.

 

This time Toney was quicker but it really was his advanced degree in ring slickness that kept putting him in position to lace Rahman’s face with unseen right hands long before the two collided heads and Rahman suffered a half inch cut above his right eye.

 

According to both the ringside physician and referee Ray Corona the cut was not enough to stop the fight from continuing but Rahman’s medical degree disputed their conclusion. Three times he said he couldn’t see even though he obviously could see both Dr. Paul Wallace and Corona well enough in front of him to argue with them. Not having a mirror he couldn’t see the cut but the sight of his own blood was more than enough to convince him that soon blindness would set in.

 

“He was looking for a way out of there as soon as I came into town and he saw me,’’ Toney (71-6-3, 43) claimed. “The look on his face was priceless.

 

“They didn’t think I’d come in in that kind of shape. When I did, they didn’t want no part of me. What happened Wednesday night should have happened two years ago (when they fought to that desultory draw). That was my fault. Nobody else’s.

 

“I take all the blame. I listened to people I shouldn’t have and was lifting too many weights and not boxing enough. Now I’m healthy for the first time since the (Evander) Holyfield fight so I’m doing the things I should have done a long time ago.’’

 

What Toney would like to do most now is get a third shot at Peter, who is sort of scheduled to face the elder Klitschko this October if Klitschko can survive a full training camp. His body has failed to do that in several years so it remains a long shot but waiting in the wings in case of an emergency will be Toney, who would like nothing better than to face either the winner or the WBC champion himself if that fight fails to come off.

 

“I’ll fight anybody,’’ Toney reiterated, “but Sam Peter is the guy I want the most. I want to knock him out. He’s supposed to be some big knockout artist. A big knockout artist ain’t supposed to run from me. That’s all he did. He ran all night.

 

“He’s always saying, ‘Who’s next?’ I’m next! If he wants me he can have me.

 

“I need to stay active. I love to fight. You’ve known me all my career. You know I LOVE to fight! When my mind is right I can beat anybody.’’

 

Toney’s love affair with boxing and belligerence are well documented. He may not always love to train and he may often be his own worst enemy when it comes to physical preparation but the man does indeed love to fight. He’d fight over almost anything, including the need for cardiovascular fitness, but no one can argue that his ring knowledge, calmness under fire and old time skills are not arguably the best in boxing today.

 

At 40 (his birthday is next month), Toney is obviously past his prime but he will tell you at least he had a prime, which he would contend has not been the case with any of today’s heavyweight champions. Considering what he sees as a passel of guys who have no idea how to really fight, he contends his time is now and who wants to argue that point with him?

 

Toney’s reduced weight and continued goal to get back down to the 217 pounds he was the night he dropped Holyfield before the fight was stopped with Toney standing over Holyfield as he struggled to get up seem to support his claim.

 

Toney’s biggest enemy has always been his lack of conditioning, which begat a series of injuries that limited what he could do to prepare for bouts against men naturally far bigger than the former middleweight champion was. The latter will always be the case but Toney could care less about that and his success as a heavyweight argues for him being given one last chance to show what a smaller but wiser man can do. Whether he ever gets it is another matter entirely however because Toney doesn’t win with the kind of explosive knockout power that would demand attention.

 

He beats guys down by beating them up and so is more easily avoided by men who deftly can use the politics of the sport to defend them when doing so in a more traditional fashion might be problematic for them.

 

If his personally imposed hard times are now behind him, Hasim Rahman will not be the last heavyweight to taste the sting of James Toney’s fists or feel the state of confusion and doubt his defensive prowess and counter punching skills can create. But before that can happen, Toney fully expects Rahman and his promotional team to try and claim the fight should have been ruled a no contest because of the accidental head butt that opened up the cut above his eye.

 

The rules argue otherwise but in boxing that often doesn’t matter because rough justice in the sport isn’t only meted out inside the ropes. Still this time Toney is confident no one will be able to take his victory away from him, as happened when he appeared to outpoint then WBA champion John Ruiz only to learn later that he’d tested positive for performance enhancing drugs and therefore had to give up the title.

 

“All they got to do is look at the videotape when the doctor asked him if he wanted to fight and he said he couldn’t see,’’ Toney said. “The guy’s a front runner who was looking to quit the minute he realized who he was in there with.’’

 

Who Hasim Rahman was in there with this time was the real James Toney. The one who once held various forms of the middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and cruiserweight titles and became a heavyweight contender skilled enough to have won the WBA title for a few days before it was taken away from him by medical fiat. He won them all by administering nearly as many boxing lessons as his legendary former trainer and boxing mentor, Bill Miller, gave him.

 

Rahman found himself in there with a guy who not only knows how to fight and still can but also is a heavyweight who actually wants to fight. Which one is a more important skill these days is debatable but if you have them both you’re difficult to beat even at 40.

 

“This is what I do,’’ Toney said. “It’s what I know. I’m a fighter. Fighters fight. These heavyweights aren’t fighters. They pick and choose opponents. They avoid each other. I don’t avoid nobody.

 

“All I’m looking for is a chance to come and fight these bums. I’m back, chump. What they gonna do about it?’’

 

More than likely try avoidance over confrontation unless one of them adopts James Toney’s basic description of himself and decides, “Hey, I’m a fighter, too.’’

 

 

         

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nic:  woah grey beard!!!!! Looks like Toney has a future in doing commercials with Clyde Drexler or being a spokesperson for Just For Men on FNF. settle down before you make Dr. Steelhammer angry!!!!! On that note, i think the klitchkos DO have the best nicknames in boxing. "Dr. Steelhammer and Dr. Ironfist."
Friday Jul 18, 2008 05:08:12 PM
Nuckle:  Thats real talk from James Toney
Friday Jul 18, 2008 05:20:08 PM
donputo69:  toney is garbage..he's got a big mouth...thats all...Klitschko is garbage...peter is garbage..ruiz is garbage...maskaev is garbage...the whole heavyweight division is GARBAGE...except for my dude david haymaker haye...he's gonna make some noise in this weak division....holla back ladies....
Friday Jul 18, 2008 06:54:00 PM
Christian:  With his slurred speech and and his reduced mental state, i don't think he should face anybody. He appears to have taken too many shots.
Friday Jul 18, 2008 06:59:40 PM
Radam G during my last couple of days in the P4P top gun homeland - Mannyland PI:  I wouldn't call the Klitschko brothers garbage -- but Toney has a mouth of garbage. I guess he's just campaigning for a shot at the belt or maybe a shot to get a big purse. Nonetheless, he is all wet and full of wind. The top dog in this era of heavys will be Chris "The (real) Nightmare" Arreola. The showdown of heavys will be between the Brit David "Haymaker" Haye and Chris in 09. Talking about finding a needle in a haystack, Chris's punches will be missles in a haystack. And the British haymaker will find every one of them on his chin, eyesockets and body, just before he explodes and tumbles in defeat in six rounds. Holla!
Friday Jul 18, 2008 07:54:08 PM
william a major:  i hate to agree but donputo is right,they all suck big time.anyone who's been around for the last 45 yrs can atest to that . these guys havent got a clue what hunger is...........
Friday Jul 18, 2008 08:00:48 PM
william a major:  i hate to agree but donputo is right,they all suck big time.anyone who's been around for the last 45 yrs can atest to that . these guys havent got a clue what hunger is...........
Friday Jul 18, 2008 08:01:03 PM
donputo69:  this guy is a f***!ng disgrace to boxing...talking it up like he loves eating junk food comes into the ring with a tyre round his waist...no wonder when non boxing fans look at the heavyweight divison today they think its a circus...lmfaoooo...the true warriors, the self discplined athletes are all in the divisons below heavy...THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION... and I think the public should be exposed to these and they will b hooked on boxing again...holla back ladies!!!!!!
Friday Jul 18, 2008 08:26:39 PM
boxingfan23:  i love how everyone is so tough behind their computer...I'd love to see you guys tell Toney to his face that he's "garbage." Which is funny, since he's won more titles than anyother fighter in more divisions and NEVER been knocked out. He's not a pussy like Rahman and the rest of the HWs. Disgrace to boxing? Ha! If anything, he's a blessing to it. His trash talking just gains more hype and more fans. He's one of the all time greats and sure to be in the Hall of Fame. Also, Arreola is definitely a top prospect....he'd kill Haye and the Klitschko sisters!
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 12:03:31 AM
DaHata:  If Toney fights either Klitschko brother, his career will be over right then and there. Unlike Toney, Wlad respects himself and the sport of boxing enough to show up in shape and ready to fight. Hasim "Hasbeen" Rahman is a bum and has been washed up for years, so a win over him means little or nothing. Toney didn't look all that much better than he has in his last few fights weight-wise: he must have been over 230 by the time he got in the ring. There is also the fact that Toney was offered a fight with Wlad around the time of the Brock match, and turned it down. So his bravado is just that: bravado. He doesn't want any part of fighting either Wlad or Vitali and I don't expect he will ever sign to fight either one of them.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 05:45:41 AM
DaHata:  Oh, and by the way, Chris Arreola is the new Calvin Brock: i.e., The Saviour of American Boxing until he gets starched by Wlad Klitschko, at which point he becomes We Always Said He Was A Tomato Can.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 06:21:45 AM
Isaiah:  Wlad ain't all that, but he's still technically #1 and has solid skills. Wlad avoids noone, but doesn't fight the right guys at the right time. If Chris Arreola ever fights him, he will soon realize who he's in there with and Chris will be KO'D within 8 rounds. Probaly a few less than that. Who has Chris fought to get so much praise? I like old James Toney. The man knows how to fight and loves boxing but, if he fights Sam Peter again, Toney will lose again. Their first fight was very close, but Peter still got the decision and Peter learned from the experience. Peter clearly won the second fight, proving my point. Does Toney really want more of that? There is no doubt he'd lose again. Does Toney really want any of Wlad? Wlad is naturally much larger. Wlad is also very quick, hits harder, is about 8 years younger than Toney, ( thats a long time in boxing if you're not George Foreman or Archie Moore. ) and Wlad seems to be able to take a shot quite a bit better then three years ago. Toney needs to take the smart money in rematches with Evander Holyfield or John Ruiz. I put James Toney on even money against David Haye as well. Haye has'nt made any heavyweight noise yet, so we'll see. Toney's got skills, but he's crazy if he thinks he's going to be the champ. He's been around long enough to know better.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 07:21:32 AM
DaHata:  So far, David Haye has proven himself to be an utter assclown by demanding a title shot over and over again when he hasn't done a thing in the heavyweight division to merit one. Sure, throw him and Toney together: the trash-talking alone will be hilarious for those who like that sort of thing.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 08:08:33 AM
pitbull730@tmail.com:  Hi toney. I am joe . I am deaf . I like u . I think u are number one . So knock klitchkos out . Please . U are my favortive . I wish I shake ur hand . I live in new jersey . Ok champ . Hugs
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 12:45:55 PM
hm:  its lights out for any of the heavyweight bums who find some courage to take him on.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 04:34:17 PM
959 Santa:  David Haye is the undisputed Cruiserweight Champ. He has every right to call out the Heavyweight Champ which is Wlad Klitschko. Come to think of it Wlad is scared of Haye. That's a bunch of B.S thinking that Haye should stand in line. Why doe's Haye have to be a 175 pound champion instead of a cruiserweight. Conn vs. Lewis, Foster vs. Frazier, M.Spinks vs. Holmes, a few that come to mind 175 vs. the Heavyweights. Wlad should fight Haye. Toney has no chance against Wlad. Haye doe's because he can hit hard.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 07:18:30 PM
Radam G getting ready to bow to the king of kings Salt lover:  If Toney fights either Klitschko brother, his career will be over right then and there. Unlike Toney, Wlad respects himself and the sport of boxing enough to show up in shape and ready to fight. Hasim "Hasbeen" Rahman is a bum and has been washed up for years, so a win over him means little or nothing. Toney didn't look all that much better than he has in his last few fights weight-wise: he must have been over 230 by the time he got in the ring. There is also the fact that Toney was offered a fight with Wlad around the time of the Brock match, and turned it down. So his bravado is just that: bravado. He doesn't want any part of fighting either Wlad or Vitali and I don't expect he will ever sign to fight either one of them.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 07:23:55 PM
Lokee:  I not going to argue with none of you!! But if you think james toney is garbage than you need a rude awakening and you definitely don't know boxing!
Saturday Jul 19, 2008 10:54:01 PM
Mad Dog:  Toney is clearly past his best, but not past his expiration date. I think a match with either Klitschko would be interesting. JT may not win, but his style would frustrate the bigger men, and make them even more cautious than they normally are. JT has the ability to keep the big right hands from landing flush, which is half the battle against the Klit brothers.
Sunday Jul 20, 2008 10:32:52 AM
Anonymous user:  Hey Don puto i'll see you in 2009 I beat you at fight Night Rd 3 and i'll beat you silly next time .
Sunday Jul 20, 2008 11:00:43 PM
Romano:  weak man words
Monday Jul 21, 2008 12:47:45 AM
BOB:  DaHata Haye has proven himself at Heavyweight he stepped up to fight Tomasz Bonin who was ranked in the top 10 by the WBC at the time and his record was 36-1-0 Haye wooped his ass in seconds so there you go a top ten ranked heavyweight and he got rid of him in 1 rd well not even one round it was about two minutes. Wlad is scared of David Haye watch it on Utube you can see the fear in his eyes when Haye confronted him in London not to long ago.
Monday Jul 21, 2008 12:51:40 AM
Isaiah:  Man, I wasn't going to say anything, but I have to. David Haye proved himself at heavyweight in one fight by beating a guy ranked in the top ten by the WBC?!!! How does everyone not know yet that the alphabet organizations are all crooks?!! In Tomasaz Bonin's 36 wins, has anyone ever heard of one of his opponents?!! Cmon man! To be in the Ring Magazine top 10, you actually have to know how to fight a bit, in those crooked alphabet things, a punk can fight a bunch of nobodies and be placed in the top 10 because they feel like it. BOB, are you serious man?!! Ring titles are the hardest to win because they represent the best in boxing. At least these titles can't be stripped away from the real champions because those guys want to fight the best. The WBC and all the others like it are nothing, but crooks who only push their agenda. Know the truth!!! 959 Santa, being Cruiserweight champ doesn't mean you're first in line at the #1 heavyweight. Different weight class. Let's see what David Haye can do against the biggest guys. Your examples aren't great ones either. Conn was knocked out by Joe Louis in the 11th? round. Frazier knocked out Foster in the 2nd!! The only win mentioned by a Lightheavyweight was M. Spinks agains Larry Holmes and we all should know Holmes was robbed blind twice against him. The curse of Marciano is alive and well. Ha,ha,ha!!! 48-0 Holmes, you lose. More recently, N. Valuev 46-0, he lost his 47th, LOL!!! It's like Marciano's ghost won't let a heavyweight have 49-0. Weird. By the way, it doesn't seem like history is going to favor David Haye, especially when he tastes Wlad's right hand. If Haye thought his first loss was bad, wait until he finally wakes up from the second one. Ha,ha,ha!!!
Monday Jul 21, 2008 05:40:29 AM
Robert Curtis:  When a fat old middleweight with an eating disorder is the best heavyweight we've got, then you know the division needs HELP!
Monday Jul 21, 2008 10:51:16 AM
Chris:  I adore James Toney. If I had a hero. He would be it!!!
Monday Jul 21, 2008 02:39:54 PM

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