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One Word Describes Calzaghe vs. Jones-WHY?
By Ron Borges
The first question that comes to mind when thoughts turn to the all-but-finalized fight on Sept. 20 between Joe Calzaghe and Roy Jones, Jr. is a simple one – “Why?’’
The question might more rightly be “Who cares?’’ but someone must, or HBO and Madison Square Garden wouldn’t be putting up millions to make it happen, would they? The fact that they are leads us to another question for the suits in boxing who apparently seem to care enough to write such a check and it takes us back to our original premise – “Why?’’
From the point of view of undefeated Joe Calzaghe the fight makes sense because it’s minimum risk for maximum pay and allows him to avoid younger and more formidable opponents like WBC light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson or a rematch with Mikkel Kessler, the former super middleweight title holder who had his moments before Calzaghe took over their unification fight and slapped him silly in the second half of their unification fight last year.
But as for the 39-year-old Jones, it’s an undeserved back door chance at another title and a serious payday far in excess of what he deserves for beating up a sad shadow once known as Felix Trinidad in his last outing.
The fact of the matter is Jones has lost three of his last six fights and those are the meaningful ones. Yet you can bet the hype before he faces Calzaghe will be that he’s on a three-fight win streak. That’s accurate but not reflective of the truth because what does it mean when you are stopped twice, by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson, then lose a decision to Tarver by a wide margin and come back to outpoint Prince Badi Ajamu, Anthony Hanshaw and Trinidad?
Ajamu was far from royalty in the ring, Hanshaw has become the boxing definition of the word disappointment and Trinidad was simply an old man trying to re-live his youth. So what it means is that Jones hasn’t had a significant victory over a serious opponent since he outpointed then WBA heavyweight champion John Ruiz five years ago. That, of course, assumes you considered Ruiz a serious opponent, which most folks did not. That’s why Jones was the betting favorite.
You may have noticed absent from that list is Jones’ “victory’’ over Tarver in their first fight, a majority decision in which two of the three blind mice were not only in attendance at ringside but in the employee of the Nevada State Athletic Commission at the time - as judges.
If you discount thus dismiss the first Tarver “win’’ as nonsense and dismiss Ruiz as a less than formidable champion you have to go back pretty far to find the last time Jones actually fought anybody. In truth, Roy Jones, Jr. is a guy who made a career out of beating up second tier fighters ever since he dominated James Toney on Nov. 18, 1994. After that he knocked down and beat up every form of municipal worker (a cop, a fireman, a trash man, a mail man, a bus driver and a school teacher). How he missed a cab driver we’ll never know.
To his credit, he did undress the very capable Reggie Johnson with ease nine years ago and stopped Clinton Woods for seven of the eight available forms of the light heavyweight title in 2002, although Woods is not likely to ever get into the International Boxing Hall of Fame without having bought a ticket himself.
While it is true Jones is the first former middleweight champion in 106 years to move up to heavyweight and win the title so attention must be paid, had that fight not happened five years ago it might say something about him today. A half a decade is a long time however, especially when you’re now 39 1⁄2 years old and haven’t beaten a formidable opponent in years.
Which brings us back to the question that continues to baffle – why? Why has this fight been made? Calzaghe will say it’s because Jones is a legend. Of course, so is Bob Foster but he wouldn’t be trying to sell a fight with him for the light heavyweight title, would he?
Jones’ legendary status has always, at least from the view from this corner, been as one of the greatest managers of all time. Somehow he managed to avoid a hint of any risk taking for nearly a decade, from the time he fought Toney until the time he took on Ruiz, and still convinced a lot of the public he was the Pensacola version of Sugar Ray Robinson. That’s not an easy thing to do. Retaining the aura of being greater than you are is a difficult task but Jones pulled it off, so give him some props for that.
HBO was a co-conspirator in that fraud of course, constantly airing his fights and making them sound like more than they were rather than forcing him into challenging equally undefeated Dariusz Michalczewski or granting Toney a rematch at a higher weight.
Then there’s the issue of why he and Bernard Hopkins never fought a rematch or how he avoided Antonio Tarver for so long before Tarver beat him twice (many believe it was actually thrice) and became the first man to knock him cold but we’ll leave that for another day.
Jones was an infinitely talented boxer, the possessor of gifts from a power greater than Himself even though he himself didn’t seem to believe that such a possibility existed. To Jones there was never a power greater than Himself (sorry let’s get it right - HIMSELF) and he parlayed that bravado, his great athletic skills and the absence or avoidance of any formidable opponents into a long career in which he bamboozled the public and a lot of people who should have known better into being seen as more than he was.
Then came KO losses to Tarver and Johnson and then a third fight with Tarver in which he was utterly dominated and not competitive and later implied he’d tanked the outcome to prevent his estranged father, Roy, Sr., from getting any credit for training him back to victory. Oh, and did we forget the positive drug test in 2000 for androstenedione, which was a banned substance at the time according to IBF rules? He avoided punishment there as deftly as he avoided Hopkins, Toney, Tarver and Michalczewski for all those years so give him one thing – he’s elusive.
At that point it seemed the Roy Jones Error was finally over but just when it was time to leave the stage he decided he wanted to fight. Three wins over the same kind of opposition he built his reputation on in the first place and he’s back in a big-money pay-per-view show with the longest reigning champion in boxing. Which only goes to show you’ll never go broke selling certain kinds of fertilizer to the American sports fan.
Calzaghe (45-0, 32 KO) held the WBO super middleweight title for just short of 11 years before moving up to 175 pounds and out pointing finally aging Bernard Hopkins in a slap fest in April. To do it he had to get off the deck from an early knockdown but Calzaghe had Hopkins fading at the end and won in convincing if unspectacular fashion.
Now he’s found another old geezer to square off with in Jones, a man whose reputation exceeds his resume, especially of late, by a wide margin.
John Wirt, the new CEO of Square Ring (Jones’ seldom used promotional company) said this week that, “With Roy it’s an honor that Joe has agreed to do the fight with him.’’
Considering how little he’s done to earn the fight that may be the most truthful statement ever uttered about Roy Jones, Jr.
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i CARE MORE ABOUT THIS FIGHT THAT PAVLIK - WILLIAMS. I AM WAITING GOT SS TO CRITIIZE PAVLIK FOR THIS PROPOSAL. BUT OF COURSE SS WILL BLAME ARUM AND EVERYONE BUT THE FIGHTER.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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With all due respect, I think that this one of the one-sided, biased articles that Mr. Borges has ever written.
The premise of the article is that Joe Calzaghe somehow deserves to fight Roy Jones Jr. rather than face more difficult competition.
Yet Roy Jones does not deserve to fight Calzaghe due to his lack of competition.
Point blank, both of these fighters have made a career of carefully picking and choosing their opponents. Calzaghe does not want to fight Kelly Pavlik because he is a dangerous puncher. Judging by the way in which he hit the canvas against Hopkins (when was the last time BHOP knocked another fighter down, De La Hoya??), Pavlik could render some serious damage to Calzaghe, thus, he poses too much of a risk.
Roy Jones wants to fight Calzaghe because Calzaghe has no power, thus, his likelihood of suffering another concussion is diminished.
Both of these fighters have tried to avoid any true competition. So much so, that they even managed to avoid each other for years. Now, each each fighter believes that the other represents the greatest reward, with the least amount of risk.
So I don't think the question is why?
I think the real question is: why not?
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Chi-Town O:
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If its on pay per-view i would never buy it and if it's free on HBO I think I will go out with the buds and do something else than to stay home and watch this garbage. Calzaghe needs to fight Pavlick or Arthur Abraham instead of a has been!
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Keith:
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Hopkins can't sell out a bingo hall and Toney was to busy smoking cigars and eating at a Vegas buffet. He fought Tarver more than anyone would like to see again and Michalczewski was scared to leave his mother's backyard. Ron, you act as if the Light Heavyweight division was a deep division. It wasn't! And to me....it still ain't. Sure Roy may not deserve this title shot. I can understand that. But do you think Calzaghe would fight Glen Johnson? Very high risk and won't do the numbers that Jones/Calzaghe will do. Tarver can't give away enough tickets. Dawson seems scared since he surely didn't call Calzaghe out after the Hopkins fight. Pavlik......yeah right. Slappy Joe doesn't want any parts of the Middleweight Champ. Did I miss anyone else?? Bottom line, judging by the article you wrote, I don't think you think too highly of Mr. Jones. Thats fine. Everyone has their opinions. But when Jones beats Calzaghe will your opinion change?
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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rudy:
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Talk about a HATE towards Roy, man you got it out for him. And NO WAY did Roy lose the 1st Tarver fight, he won the championship rounds and sealed the deal after dropping DOWN 2 weight classes from HW. This is a good fight IMO and it sets up possible showdown between Abraham vs Pavlik which should be an absolute war. Solid match up between two quick handed punchers, but I think Roy is the stronger of the two. He's regained his legs and the speed is still there and unlike Calzaghe's amateur flurries - Roy's punches do DAMAGE. Add the fact that he's an excellent counter puncher who counters with 3-4 punch combinations, he should be able to handle Calzaghe, in a 12 UD with maybe a knockdown or two for him. Borges, YA MUSTA FORGOT!!!!
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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I didn't think he was that bad as a pro. Perhaps he deserved the Silver in 88 as well.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Yuvie:
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Both fighters do deserve a lot of respect for what they've done but these old boy matches mean nothing in the boxing world. The sad thing is that this match would probably get more viewers than a Pacquiao or Pavlik fight. I've given up worry about these old boys matches. If you still feel like you wanna fight at that age then you should want to fight the best, even if they are 10 years younger than you. Let em both fight. I won't being paying much attention to it. I'd much rather see Williams/Pavlik or any two young fighters who actually wanna fight.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Condor:
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A little harsh but I agree that Jones has done nothing to reverse the notion that he's a shot fighter, and you spell it out nicely and support it with facts. It seemed to me that even the most knowledgeable boxing people were giving Roy too much credit for beating Trinidad (and here at TSS). At 170 pounds, Felix was not in the top-100. Nevertheless, the so-called exerts overlooked that little tidbit and touted Roy's victory as meaningful and exclaimed that he's back. I couldn't believe it and still can't. In fact, I would liken that win to Holmes over Ali. It was that meaningLESS. In any event, I don;t blame either of the combatants for going through with it. They're picking the pockets of a gullible fanbase. But I, for one, will not be purchasing it.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Coco:
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I don't see how this fight will be better than BHOP-Calzaghe. I don't even know what merits Jones Jr. did to earn this fight or what hasn't Pavlik or Abraham done to fight Calzaghe.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
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Why? Simple: So Calzaghe have his first defeat. Roy Jones will beat Calzaghe and send him to his house to cry to mommy....just like Trinidad HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roy Jones via any way victory.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Mad Dog:
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I have officially lost all respect for Ron Borges. Many boxing experts including other writers are giving Roy a good chance. Styles make fights and Roy matches up well with JC. I'm not so interested in him fighting younger guys, but JC is no spring chicken himself. I even think it would be a mistake for Roy to fight Glen Johnson or Tarver again, much less go back to Heavy.
But please Ron, list the advantages JC has over Roy...speed, skill, athleticism, style, power in either hand, knowledge of the game, big fight experience...which of these can you without question, put in JCs column? Given the slant in this article, I'd like Ron to go on record as giving up as a boxing writer if Roy wins. Can you do that Ron?
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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pain4profit:
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i want to see any fighter today excell from middleweight champion to heavyweight champion and making all the stops along the way. THEN coming back down! Roy Jones is the man and there will never be another skilled fighter like him. He throws punches in bunches, is by far one of the most entertaining fighters ever, and does not deserve this garbage talk that you wrote about. If Calzaghe tries to fight the same fight he did against b-hop, jones will put him on his ass numerous times. I've already booked my trip to watch this massacre!
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Robert Tampion:
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i fail to understand all the negativity about this fight. granted RJJ is not the fighter he once was in his prime but he is still a great boxer & i truly believe the main reason for his downfall was the weight he had to lose mainly muscular weight droping from heavyweight back to light heavy in such a short space of time. being involved in the iron game for over 18 years i can tell you that to lose even a few pounds of muscle mass has a dramatic effect on the body in a negative way, its a totaly different ball game to losing just bodyfat which mostly has a positive effect. with that issue asside i believe RJJ will still be too strong too accurate & too quick for JC who showed in his last fight he was visibly weaker than b hop at 175 & lacks power at this weight & surely we must ask ourselves when was the last time Joe showed real power in those hands against a credible apponent , even jeff lacy who was basically a punchbag absorbed everything he had. this fight is definately not an easy option for joe & for me is without doubt the most anticipated fight out there & most so called experts will have to eat their words when roy wins with a t k o what excuse will you think of then to tarnish his achievements
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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paulbo:
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This won't be as onesided as people think. Jones is unlike anyone Calzaghe has faced. He's still quick and awkward. That said, he's clearly faded and will drop a unanimous decision to the champ.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Eastar:
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Daaayummm!!!! The truth must hurt, because my comments get deleted quick! LOL
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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snapper1:
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this is a 50/50 match up. Jones has alwways been my fav but he's nowhere near his prime and i dont think he has the stamina to be the aggressor for 12 solid rounds. Calzaghe has been more active but is also not that young himself and showed that he's not as active against a good counter puncher (Hopkins fight). the key for JOnes is to be succesful is to conserve his energy and pick his spots but NOT just sit back playing Ali on the ropes or he risks getting caught. hope he invests some of his training strenghtening those legs. Now calzage needs to stick & move and make Roy keep moving around to tire out those legs. roy will then decide to rest on the ropes and thats when calzaghe hand spped can make the difference. calzaghe isnt the hardest hitter but we all know roy cant take a clean punch. even w/ all that said i still think these two styles will make an interseting fight and i'm definitely ordering. Jones in 12 by either split or majority decision.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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snapper1:
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this is a 50/50 match up. Jones has alwways been my fav but he's nowhere near his prime and i dont think he has the stamina to be the aggressor for 12 solid rounds. Calzaghe has been more active but is also not that young himself and showed that he's not as active against a good counter puncher (Hopkins fight). the key for JOnes is to be succesful is to conserve his energy and pick his spots but NOT just sit back playing Ali on the ropes or he risks getting caught. hope he invests some of his training strenghtening those legs. Now calzage needs to stick & move and make Roy keep moving around to tire out those legs. roy will then decide to rest on the ropes and thats when calzaghe hand spped can make the difference. calzaghe isnt the hardest hitter but we all know roy cant take a clean punch. even w/ all that said i still think these two styles will make an interseting fight and i'm definitely ordering. Jones in 12 by either split or majority decision.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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donputo69:
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rudy...i think jones lose that first fight vs tarver...he was fighting against the ropes the whole fight....i had that fight 115-113 for tarver..yes it was close,,but i thought tarver won..SEE WHAT HAPPEND IN THE 2ND FIGHT RIGHT?..NUFF SAID RIGHT THERE....easter bunny AKA dumb...there is a reason your comments get deleted...they're horrible...lmfaoooooooooooo......NOW...jones vs calzaghe?..keep on hating on slappy joe....he's still gonna find a way to win...its been like that for his whole career...and theres a reason he's 45-0...HOLLA BACK MONKEYS...
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Borges hit it on the nose. Roy was once great, but if he still was half as good as he used to be he would have smoked Tito in three rounds. He couldn't KO Tito like Hopkins did 7 years ago. Roy don't have his legs any more
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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RON:
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THIS IS SUCH A GREAT ARTICLE...I'VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING FOR YEARS! Roy jones Jr Has fooled the boxing world for years....And for all the reasons mentionned, he should not be inducted in the hall of fame,but he will...But for fighting who? A drained Toney who had to shed more than 50 lbs in 6 weeks to fight Jones,Back in 94! Or was it Beating Hopkins before he became the great champion we all know,and that was back in 93!! lol All this is funny to me, to see how he was able to be fool people in thinking he's great .Jones never gave either Toney nor Hopkins for a rematch despite their numerous attempts at getting Jones to sign.And Ruiz?? lol...What defines a great career are great fights with great adversaries...Roy Jones is the best at avoiding Both. Joe Calzague will finish him easy...I mean how can you win throwing one punch at a time, you dont even bother to counter effectivily, he prefers to lean on the ropes and wait for you to finish unloading your shots before he can come at you,and he's much slower,he cant allow himself to fight with his hands low, his legs are no longer what they were, he wont be able to get away as easy as he once was...I use to love this dude, but for everyone who knew him back in the early 90's but for some reason still think he's "superman" well..."yall musta forgot",
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Radam G in Olongapo City, Philippines, not finding it hard to believe what the fightwriter just wrot:
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In the world of fightwriting, fightwriter Ron Borges came in on a different ship, plane, train, car, donkey, camel, elephant, wagon, ostrich or whatever is your mode of transportation. He doesn't stay in formation. He marches to his own drummer. Or, maybe, he is just a drum major with a minute band. He reminds me of all the great ones -- willing to stand alone in the line of fire for what he spits out. Similar to the late "Ol' Blue Eyes"Frank Sinatra, Ron is going to tell it his way. Similar to "The Greatest" Muhammad Ali, Ron is not going to be what you want him to be. Similar to the late, great Sugar Ray Robinson, Ron will tell you it's his business to hurt -- of course with the truthfulness of his writings. And last, but not least, similar to the late, great Howell Cosell, Ron will write it the way he sees it. With all that said. Roy Jones Jr has been a master of bamboozling the public and his opponent. WHY is he getting a fight with Joe Calzaghe? Because, as I said above, RJJ (is) a master of bamboozling the public and his opponent. RJJ has bamboozled the public and Slappy Joe. I hope that Slappy Joe has some serious kryptonite in those slaps. He is going to need it to slap down the leaping-in Superman. As of today -- tonight U.S. way -- my money is on Slappy Joe slapping Superman RJJ super silly, i.e. Tarver and Johnson. Sorry Roy! Holla!
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Evans:
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I don't like these types of fights. Calzaghe is fighting the name of Roy Jones because he is way past his prime. The only way this fight will be worth watching is if Jones still has something left. This article just proved that boxing still is about the best fighting the best is still more of a business then anything which isn't good for us fans who want to see the best fights that can be made like Pavlik vs Calzaghe
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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Evans:
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This article just proved that boxing still isn't about the best fighting the best its still more of a business then anything which isn't good for us fans who want to see the best fights that can be made like Pavlik vs Calzaghe
Friday Jul 11, 2008
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KIDD:
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Great article and I couldn't agree more...This is what is gonna happen HBO is gonna waste millions on hyping this junk and on 2 old fighters that aren't gonna be around much longer. Some casual fans will buy and the fight will suck an be anti-climatic. Then once agian you'll hear Boxing has no good fighters and it's boring. HBO is shooting its self in the foot with this garbage they keep giving us.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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HM:
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Finally! someone tells it like it is, about Roy Fraud Jr. thank you Ron Borges.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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al honey:
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I would much rather watch Paul Williams vs. Pavlik rather than Pavlik/Calzaghe. Williams & Pavlik bring instant action. The same cannot be said about Calz and Pavlik
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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steadadelica:
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i think calzaghe wants this fight more than any other out there, and at his age, when motivation is so hard to find who can blame him. motivations; 1- money; 2- jones, like all the other big american names dodged him for so long, so now he wants to lay the ghosts to rest so he can look back and say he got his men in the end. Its just a shame that its happening so late on, and, in my opinion, nearly as great a shame that its not The 'Ghost' that he gonna lay out in his next fight.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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steadadelica:
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..but i think just as importantly, if he did knock out pavlik calzaghe's record would still be with out RJJ. i can understand him, but i don't agree with it.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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TOMMY:
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SOME REAL JONES HATING IN THIS ARTICLE CONSIDERING HES 1 OF THE MOST TALENTED FIGHTERS TO EVER DON GLOVES, ALSO FOR THE 10 THOUSANTH TIME HE DID NOT LOSE THE 1ST TARVER FIGHT HE GUTTED OUT A TOUGH WIN, JUST BECAUSE A GUY DOES A LOT BETTER THAN HE WAS EXPETED TO ( TARVER AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME) AND MADE IT CLOSE DOES NOT MEAN HE WON, I OFFCOURSE WOULD RATHER SEE JOE FIGHT PAVLIVK AS WELL BUT JOE VS JONES IS NOT A BAD SCRAP AT ALL AND ALL GREAT FIGHTERS HAVE 1 GREAT NIGHT LEFT IN THEM, IM NOT A HUGE JONES FAN AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE JOE GO OUT UNDEFEATED BUT AN ARTICLE LIKE THIS MAKES ME WANT JONES TO WIN SO YOU CAN EAT YOUR WORDS AND BE HUMBLED RON
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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The Baron:
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What more must Calzaghe do to earn any credit? He's the longest reigning world champion,one of the longest in boxing history and has defeated some of the best young fighters around.
In recent years his displays against both Lacy and Kessler must rank as great defences against younger and hungrier fighters.
On the flipside his victory against both the tactics and reputation of the legend Bernard Hopkins should have finally earned the respect he deserves stateside. To take a decision in Vegas against an American is an achievement in itself,and its time Joe was rated up there with the De la Hoya's and Mayweather's as a true champ.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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Matt:
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Ron Borges, this article is not objective. This article should be called, "Why I Hate Roy Jones Jr."
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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Arturo:
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Roy Jones looked good against Tito on his last fight.The power that Felix lacked helped Roy cruise for 12 rounds.Joe fought against a Bernard that was not willing to throw more than 3 and a half punches per round but still managed to knock Joe down. That shows you the weakness in Calzhages chin and why he runs away from a GHOST
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
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perry:
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The real story here is why anyone cares about Joe Calzaghe. Who has he beaten in his illustrious career? The fearsome Robin Reid. The Patterson patty-cakeman, Omar Sheika Oh, the one-dimensional and never to be feared again Jeff Lacy. Lawdy Lawdy. Two TV created-contenders (Bika, Manfredo) . Kessler at home. And then the 43 year old BHOP.
Impressive.... only if you're a Brit or a producer looking for a White knight to boost ratings. Calzaghe is the product of a UK centric promotion supported by an enterprise looking for a name for it's game. even if he out-points Roy, he will will forever be a footnote.
BTW, Roy was the most entertaining skilled dynamic showman since Tyson. his highlight reel was un-real.
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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959 Santa:
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Why?. I don't know. I want to see Calzaghe risk it against Pavlik. I think most everyone want's to see that fight.
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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gibola:
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I laugh when people talk about Hopkins not getting another shot at Jones. The simple truth is that from 1993 to 2000 Jones would have easily outpointed Hopkins again. Nobody really wanted to see it and Hopkins didn't exactly demand it. The fight only became competitive after Jones was shown to be shot after moving back down after Ruiz. Hopkins was not in Jones' league and would have lost to Toney, Nunn and McCallum at their peaks. Hopkins feasted on easy opposition for years too instead of seeking out real challenges. Jones is a flawed character but for seven or eight years he was untouchable - Hopkins, Calzaghe and Darius M all knew it - that's why they weren't beating down the door for a fight. Give the man his due. Late career losses don't mean a thing and if Calzaghe wins in one round it doesn't change how good Jones was at his peak.
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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You forgot he also ducked a fight with Stephen Collins. I think Roy was definitely overhyped, Calzaghe in his prime would have beaten Jones and now he will do the same. Roy crumpled anytime an opponent put any pressure on him. I have alot of respect for anyone who accomplished as much as he, but there were better fighters out there.
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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gibola:
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Were Toney or Hopkins better than Jones? They both got their chance and were outclassed. It's in the record books. They couldn't do a thing with Jones. I love Steve Collins but he couldn't have beaten a peak Jones in a million years and in no way was he better than Toney or Hopkins. I'm a brit but even I acknowledge at his peak Jones would have beaten Calzaghe comfortably. Jones didn't 'crumple' under pressure. When Toney and Hopkins put him under pressure he coped very well thank you. He only crumpled when he was 'shot' - in his mid-30s - after coming back down from outclassing a heavyweight. Great site TSS!
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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gaz:
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unbeivable!! what a pile of crap coming from i believe to be an american writer!
Roy Jones Junior is the best fighter to have fought from your shores in a long time!
not in his prime now i agree but he definately is a top ten of all time hall of famer... watch some of his highlights - unreal!! as for bhop - rubbish, top ten rubbish all time hall of famer!!
get pavlik in the ring with kessler!! lights out pavlik!
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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TOMMY R:
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" They say i dont fight nobody but i just make them look like no body" Roy could not have said it better and he defended his light heavyweight titles against some pretty decent comp, do a little record checking and see how many world champions Jones defeated threw out his career , over rated and protected hhahha, please, i doubt it will happen but should Jones pull off the upset over Joe c all the haters and critics are going to be calling him 1 of the top 10 greatest fighters ever
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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Nuckle:
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WOW!!! Borges and anybody that agree with him must be crazy. I seriously doubt that when RJJ was untouchable for all those years that anybody was saying he's overrated and isn't fighting anybody. He was just wayyyyy better than all his opponents. There was nobody at light hw coming close to him. He went years without hardly even losing a round. He was the 1st middleweight in over 100 years to when the HW title. How can you criticizing him for beating John Ruiz the then HW champ and coming all the way up from Light hw. He may have avoided a rematch with BHOP and Toney, but guess what he beat both of them in their primes, so there was really no point in fighting them again. He got ko'd 3 times, but he came down from weight and was coming out of his prime. Everbody takes a L sometimes, it happens to the best of them. I cant stand when a fighter loses 1 or 2 or even 3 fights everybody seems to forget about what they've done before. Yea he beat Tito at 170 and after a long layoff, but he still dominated him. I want to see this fight for 2 reasons, Im a huge fan of RJJ and I want to see Sissy Joe lose. In fact, this article should be reversed and completely addressed to Sissy Joe and why do he deserve to fight the great RJJ. RJJ once ko'd a guy by throwing a punch from both hands being behind his back, now thats what you call GREAT!!!
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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Eastar:
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Again, a lot of bias coming from TSS writers. Manny Pacquiao beat a slower than malasis David Diaz, and he is now the p4p best? Meanwhile Roy Jones Jr unifies the lightheavywight division, wins the heavywieght title, then came back down again to win the lightheavyweight title again, and he's overrated???!!! Yea, right. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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Beanstalk:
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who do you think should be no. 1 p4p then?
Sunday Jul 13, 2008
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Eastar:
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Let me see, there's a guy named Miguel Cotto who, though a little rough around the edges, has fought way more competition than Paquiao. So has Calzaghe for that matter. Kelly Pavlik Has never lost ( unlike Manny ) so in my book he rankes higher than Pacman, too. But if Roy beats Calzaghe.............
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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Corey:
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This is one of the worst articles I've ever read and it's sad that it came from Borges who is usually a great writer. Who exactly did Roy Jones run from? Was he supposed to drop 20 or 30 pounds to fight Mosley, Trinidad, or DLH at middle or welterweight? And the foreign guy that Roy "ran" from. He was unwilling to come to the US to fight Jones. If he wanted to fight Roy so bad he could've came over here but he wanted to stay in his home country so the judges would be on his side and Roy was unwilling to do that and who could blame him. Yes, Roy was far better then anyone he fought and no, those fighters were not on the level of other great fighters from past generations, but that isn't Roy's fault. Unfortunately, he was the best at a weight where the competition simply wasn't that great so he went up to heavyweight and won that title. Roy is one of the best ever and I can't wait to see him beat Calzaghe and rise to the top of the boxing kingdom one more time
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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Okay. Here we go again. The facts have once again been distorted. Regarding Roy Jones Jr. a couple of things must be set straight. Dariuz Michalczewski was avoided big time by Roy because Roy saw him as a legit threat and Roy was the one to have no desire to go over to his country to fight him. Roy's wins over Bernard Hopkins and James Toney, while very impressive, I wouldn't have minded seeing a rematch with either one, especially B-Hop. Thing is Bernard Hopkins is still a very good, if not great Light Heavyweight,( still good enough at 43, to knockdown undefeated Joe Calzaghe and hold to him to a highly disputed split decision, regardless of the dumb race remark.) The most important thing people need to know is that Roy's win over John "HOLD ME" Ruiz was for the WBA paper title, not the real championship! You want to dispute that with Lennox Lewis? Be my guest. Roy is just jealous that Bernard Hopkins is older, wiser, and better now and would probaly hand Roy's @$$ to him! Anyway, the Jones/Calzaghe fight is probaly a tossup,( remeber people, before anyone says well how could this be a tossup if Joe beat B-Hop? Styles make fights.) I would still pick Calzaghe to edge this particular fight, but Hopkins would defianitely beat Jones worse at this point. Too bad Calzaghe can't try to go out in a blaze of glory against Pavlik. Maybe Pavlik might just be too much for him. GO AMERICA!!! It seems we'll never know for sure. Jones/Hopkins 2, Calzaghe/Pavlik. It seems almost criminal these quality fights wont be made. Jones and Calzaghe, look around you. YA'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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ron borges:
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Dear prime Time:
You have my premise wrong. It is not that joe deserves to fight Roy Jones, Jr. In fact, if you read his own autobiography he rips the idea of such a fight. Now he's doing it.
The premise of the column is Jones doesn't deserve a title shot and no one cares - with the exception of yourself - if they ever fight each other. Will people watch? yes. do they CARE? No.
That's the premise of the column.
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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Eastar:
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Borges: "No one Cares"???!!!! That's subjective, is it not?
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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rudy:
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Easter's got you Borges
Monday Jul 14, 2008
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Isaiah:
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The thing is I really don't care about this fight. I'm just bored and boxing is something I really care about. Besides guys, we are the type of people who will always keep boxing alive and well and I personally want to give a big SCREW YOU to the mixed martial arts. You can focus on several different fighting styles and be mediocore, or you can shoot great in one style that's been around MUCH longer for a reason, Boxing. I may have picked Calzaghe to edge it, but it won't hurt my feelings if Jones can perform one more big feat and knock him out. It's kind of funny, we can insult the fighters for any reason, but in the end, are we just being jealous because they achieved what we can't? Most champions also are honorable men, who carry themselves with respect and are a credit to the sport, most except Floyd Mayweather Jr who retires like the coward he is. You all know what I'm talking about. MMA can have that punk when he unretires! LOL! Screw Mayweather and the man he rode in on. Couldn't be jealous of that scum if I wanted to. Cmon, FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND, I know you have a response. Grow a pair and see let all of us real boxing fans see what you have to say.
Tuesday Jul 15, 2008
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CARLOS MOON:
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C'MOM ROY,IM GONNA FLAT OUT TELL IT LIKE IT IS YOUR JUST A WARM UP FOR CALZAGHE.THE REAL FIGHT WILL BE CALZAGHE -PAVLIK.YOU WERE GREAT AT ONE TIME ,BUT THAT TIME WAS UP 5YEARS AGO.HANG EM UP THINK ABOUT YOUR HEALTH AND THAT EXPOSED CHIN AND RETIRE.FOR GOOD .DONT DO A BRET FAVRAYJUST TEND TO THOSE CHICKENS AND LET THEM GAME COCKS DO ALL YOUR FIGHTING.GOODLUCK!
Tuesday Jul 15, 2008
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TOMMY R:
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Ron ur reasoning makes no sence people will watch yet no one cares? if no one cares it would not sell out msg and do 400 thousand plus ppv buys, tap out this article was a biased mistake
Tuesday Jul 15, 2008
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floyd jones greatest:
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roy jones fought formidabble opponents.where were you borges when rjj fought virgil hill whom he kod despite the fact that the later was bigger and had adequate skills.where were you borges when rjj dominated pazienza?ruiz is not a great heavyweight but definitely not even hopkins,slow tarver and slow glen johnson could climb up to heavyweight and win a title.no one could except rjj.unskilled tarver and unskilled johnson won against rjj coz rjj's body could not recover when he suddenly went down to lightheavy.those two unskilled fighters wouldn't stand a chance against rjj during his prime or before the ruiz fight.rjj and floyd mayweather are the greatest boxers of their generation or perhaps all time.
Wednesday Jul 16, 2008
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jaynice:
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Ok! first and foremost, i give respect to both RJ and JC! What they accomplished over the years is GREAT! Now, to pick a figher, I'll go with RJ over JC any day! Love JC work rate but pitty-pat isn't gonna cut it! now about RJ comp, if he held so many LHW titles, wldn't that mean most of his comp would be mandatory for that specific title? And i agree, the division didnt have that many good quality fighters, so every one of them who stepped up got knocked back! but a mistake Jones made was dropping weight to fight tarver! when i saw jones walk to the ring for the second fight! I knew jones didnt have it in him. His jaw looked weak! But tarver found out how it felt to go to heavy and drop back down for a fight! (Rocky Movie???!) so jones should've made tarver come see him at heavy! I became a fan of Joe when i saw the joe/lacy fight! only because of his work output! and 2 adress the floyd mayweather issue. I give Credit to Floyd for all he did as well! but like the man said His heart isn't in it no more! I think its to dangerous to get in the ring and your heart isnt in it! no longer hungry! I did think he was running from cotto, and williams, but once i heard that, i was ok with it! and even though there not in there prime thats not the reason im ordering the fight! its the economy!
Friday Jul 18, 2008
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urone2:
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I was going to trash your article then I read all of the other post I guess you migth get it now or maybe not. but, I will say with the exception of Michalczewski at the time Jones Jr. fought everyone in Ring Mags top ten. Michalczewski and Calzaghe refused to leave the prospective homelands to fight Jones Jr. Another point the third fight with Taver was not one sided, blind hatred is what you have for Jones Jr. sorry you feel that way.
Saturday Jul 19, 2008
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Diagnosis: Dismissal
"Katsidis' appeal is dropping like a lead balloon. Thoroughly outclassed by the Baby Bull! And what's up with his corner man? He sounded more like he was giving instructions for a model photo shoot than a fight. He didn't know what the heck he was talking about. No adjustments, no urgency. Worst instructions I've heard since Hatton vs. Mayweather (Hatton's corner). He needs to drop him ASAP or it's gonna be a short career."
--TSS reader "Dr. Votts" gives a freebie diagnosis to Michael Katsidis
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