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Sunday Jul 6, 2008

Back from Bristol, ladies and gents! Lynch returns with a column lauding Pacman, who he sees as a credit to the sport, and someone who could help tug boxing out of the shadows of irrelevance.

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Finally, A P4P King We Can Be Proud Of

By Mike Lynch

We’re all familiar with the refrains from the over-opinionated and under-informed public. Boxing’s a thing of the past.

Too many backroom deals. Too many under-handed promoters and light-fisted fighters. Too much controversy and too little resolution. Too many decisions left to the cards. 

No more.

The sweet science is in good hands.

In June’s final weekend, Manny Pacquiao served notice to the boxing world that he is not only viable at 135 pounds, but downright vicious. Manny Pacquiao’s reign as the sport’s P4P champion, however brief it may be destined for, will hopefully have a lasting impact on the sport.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has left the game (for now). He was a preening, posturing king. Full of bravado outside the ring, and slippery as a snake inside of it. His maneuvering inside of the ring was too familiar to some. Too much of a reminder of the dirty dealings so often associated with the Tammany Hall-style politicking of the gate keepers of the sweet science.

Manny Pacquiao will never be a better boxer than Money Mayweather. It’s never been remotely close. But I, for one, could care less.

More importantly, he is already a vastly superior champion and ambassador for the sport. 

This is crucial because when judgment is passed on boxing, it is not passed on the sport as a whole, but on the top of the game. Mainstream American sports media gives Fistiana a cursory fly-by, like a politician begrudgingly visiting an area they have little interest in, but must visit as a matter of formality.

When a fight like Mayweather/ De La Hoya happens, the action is disappointing, and the mainstream can sleep comfortably with the knowledge that they were right all along. That boxing has nothing to offer in the modern sporting landscape.

That’s all fine and dandy, except we all know that they’re dead wrong. And boxing, a sport that has been cornered into the far reaches of cable television in America, now has a fighter that will punch his way back off the ropes and hopefully back into cultural prominence.

Because this time, when the outside world looks in, they will see something compelling. Something they’ve never seen before. This time the reality series building up to the fight won’t be superior to the bout itself. The world will wonder who this man is?  This amalgam of everything the celebrity-obsessed American media dreams of: An indefatigable athlete, an actor, a singer, a hard-liver, a huckster, and a heart-warming rags to riches story rolled into one man. 

But none of that matters. All that really matters is that Manny Pacquiao is the most compelling athlete in the world. Not for all of the superficial reasons listed above, but for his performance. He may be a small man, but he is a man of unparalleled passion, ferocity, and determination, competing in a sport catered towards displaying such qualities better than any other sport could ever hope to do. And his style guarantees explosive action nearly every time out.

This is a good thing. Because the world really does await. The world awaits action.

Pac Man represents everything that fight fans know makes boxing better than any other sporting spectacle you can witness. Manny isn’t out there fighting for himself and a contrived, closely-guarded legacy. He is fighting for an entire nation of proud people. This is why his motor in the ring is tops. He’s going for knockouts to glorify the Philippines, not himself. 

As TSS’s John Nguyen astutely pointed out, it was refreshing to see the old Manny back in his bout against David Diaz. We had not seem him unleash his vintage fury in recent bouts.

But on June 28th, the eye of the tiger was back. There is no more relentless athlete in the world than Manny Pacquiao. It is apparent when you watch him, that you are witnessing something special. A fighter like Manny Pacquaio can put boxing back in the good graces of the viewing public, and more importantly, of decision-makers with the power to make it more accessible to the public. 

The sport is at a crossroads of sorts. As defensive fighters like Mayweather, Winky Wright, and Bernard Hopkins are nearing the end of their careers, a crop of hungry, aggressive young fighters is rising. Manny Pacquiao is hardly young anymore at 29, but he’s sure as hell still in his prime. His pummeling of David Diaz assured us of that. 

But still, Pacquiao is a flawed fighter. One of these days, his aggressive style and hard living could cost him in the ring. But that is what makes him the fighter I will tell my grandchildren about. My face will get animated and I’ll fumble for word as I describe the human tornado in the ring. The speed, power, and dogged determination. I can’t think of a better monument to boxing’s appeal than Pac Man.

All hail Manny Pacquiao, the new P4P king.

TSS Universe, who should Pac Man pursue next? What class do you him in in the future?



FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, this is definitely a direct attack to Floyd. You all (The TSS editors) act like children, no doubt. I'm not mad. Seriously, I'm telling the truth. If I'm mad, I don't any problems admiting it. But this artcile makes me laugh like hell. This is a typical Mayweather hater type of attack to him, in order to criticize him, but in a sophisticated manner. LOL!! It's all good, the hate against Floyd is part of boxing. Keep up the good work fellas...........By the way, you were right when you say Pacquiao doesn't have the greatly tremendous skills Floyd has. It's not just that he doesn't have them, the reality is Pacquiao's not gonna last long in that spot. You can all bet that for sure. His puumeling of David Diaz proves NOTHING. Diaz was a bum who couldn't even beat a zombie Morales and everybody (Including all of you) knows it. Floyd would have an easy treat with Pacquiao in the ring......All hail to Manny Pacquiao, the new P4P ki......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, yeah. Keep the dream alive LOL!!!
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
donputo69:  Its about time we have a REAL P4P champion...not like that punk scareweather freeloading that spot for a few of years....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!...WHAT? the truth hurts?...I wanna see manyy fight hatton next...thats the next fight i wanna see manny in...my early prediction?..HATTON BY SPLIT DEC.....holla back pukes....
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
Papa Smurf:  Floyd Mayweather was never KNOCKED OUT by the likes of Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat. Both of these no-names have 3rd round KO wins over Pacquiao. Indeed, the Singsurat fight is available on youtube, so you can see the destruction for yourself. Pac Man was utterly destroyed in this non-competitive match and ended with Manny writhing in pain on the canvas from a body shot. Before being knocked out, he had lost every round on every judges card. I'd venture to say that never in the history of the P4P discussion has a man occupied that spot who'd been KO'd twice by nondescript opposition. Never. And as such, while Manny is a great competitor and a whole lot of fun to watch, he is NOT the reigning P4P champion.
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
Samuel:  Manny "The Destroyer" Pacquiao is quite possibly the best P4P fighter in boxing history, in my humble opinion. He's hands down the best guy P4P in the past 4 decades, since Ali (after Cleveland Williams) prior to his bogus banishment of the late 60's.
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
Dan L:  Manny is undeniabley a special athlete I will tell my grandchildren about. Well pu Mr. Lynch. PBF did his thing and had his time. Backing out prior to a "gimme" payday with Oscar raised quite a few questions for me, but I respect his decision and look forward to seeing the comeback tour in 18 months or so... BUT back to Manny. P4P #1 - NO QUESTION. Wonder if he is gonna clear out the 135 lb. ranks or just move on to 140 and take on Hatton immediately? I guess the only question in the P4P picture is if any of the best of the rest are gonna sort out who is a solid #2. Enjoy the reign of Manny.
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
donputo69:  muuuaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! lmfaoooooooooo...look at those lil sissy's scareweather fans crying....so freaking funny...lmfaaoooooooooo...cant stop laughing....aaawwww man.......why ya crying?....the truth is the truth....why critisize TSS editors?...ya some dumb idiots..i swear to god....lol...if scareweather had COJONES,,maybe we wont get critisize this bad...but he doesnt...and thats too bad....lmfaoooooooooooo.....gotta go ladies......lmfaoooooooo.......im still laughing.....lmfaoooooooooooooooo.......
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
donputo69:  ok now..back to been serious now...lol...man..i just had to laugh out loud on these comments...anyway..back to business...We're talkin about pound for pound here. And pound for pound when it comes to the guy that bings all the excitement and fight, PACMAN is number one HANDS DOWN!!! With or without Floyd! Mayweather is a coward. He's got skill but he's a joke. PBF is a clown. Just look at his antics. The real deal boxers are resembled by the likes of Pacquiao, Pavlik, Cotto, Barrera, Morales and Arce. Mayweather is not even in that mold. F^ck PBF!!!
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
Radam G trekking in Palawan, Philippine:  Inside the ring Manny can cause much harm. Outside the ring he can charm. Love him or hate him, but you cannot resist talking about him, watching him or reading or writing about him. He has not just captured the attention of Filipinos, but every nationality, tribe, culture and creed worldwide. His aura, charisma and sight light up the faces and hearts of the majority of world. Just as the days of Muhammad Ali, everybody has a word to said about Manny. He is the most spoken about boxer -- positive or negative -- since Ali and Mike Tyson combine. Holla!
Sunday Jul 6, 2008
1:  Great piece of writing, Mr Lynch. Papa Smurf, Henry Armstrong. Lost three out of first four. (KO'd in debut). By *nondescript* opposition. What's it mean? Absolutely zero. If you later develop into a complete fighter, early fights while you were a work in progress mean nothing. PBF's a marvel, but he's got a little RJJr in him. Wants everyone to appreciate them for being the best, which they were, without actually continually going out and have to prove it.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Scareweather:  Stop all you crapbags! Manny is the best. Scareweather is nothing compared to manny.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Mayweather should get an education:  Floyd Mayweather is nothing but a media creation. The only reason why people think he's invincible is that of his perfect record. Perfect, yes, but he never challenged the greatest fighter in his division. Floyd nuthuggers are downplaying Pacman's win against Diaz, but what do you make of Floyd's win against Gatti, Baldomir, and Judah? Worse than D. Diaz, I say. You people are blind. Pacquiao has lost, all right, but he never ducked anyone. He fought the best fighters in his division, and for those people who are saying that he is ducking Valero, Guzman, and others, wait till he demolishes them one by one. Mayweather who is all talk. Pacquiao never claimed to be the best, unlike Mayweather. Pacquiao never trash talks, but respects all boxers, unlike Mayweather. You want to put a boxer like Floyd in the pedestal? Go ahead. I would never idolize someone who speaks and acts like an uneducated person with no manners and etiquette.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
fermin:  pacman is exactly what the doctor prescribed to the sport of boxing..He is exciting to watch and the epitome of hardwork and determination. Not to mention, a true gentleman of boxing, the picture of him trying to help david diaz when drakulich stops the fight, earned him the respect of spectators regardless of color and country. its unfair to compare pac to mayweather, pac charges in and displays a never say die kinda attitude, and that make him exciting, mayweather is history, he's retired, his mouth should follow suit..
Monday Jul 7, 2008
nandi:  "Manny Pacquiao will never be a better boxer than Money Mayweather." How sure are you? Right now PacMan is a BETTER BOXER than PBF, in addition to being the MORE EXCITING ONE. Manny Pacquiao does not even need an alias to be called "Money" :) :) :)
Monday Jul 7, 2008
kidcreole:  Mayweather is retired. He is boring. He maybe good but he's boring. If you look up the word "boring" on your dictionary, there would be a picture of Floyd Mayweather and Oscar delaHoya fighting. Between Floyd and Manny, I would rather watch Manny fight. You will definitely get your moneys worth. By the way, the doctor advised me to get dvds of Floyd Mayweather's fights. He said that it would really cure my insomnia. Hats off to you Floyd! My doctor was right... You did cure my sleeping disorder
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Rusfil:  Papa Smurf, how many times has Muhammad Ali faced defeats in his career? A loss is a loss, and there's no such thing as *nondescript* oppositions. Yet, Muhammad Ali is the Greatest. It's not the winning that determines greatness, it's the attitude in life. Money Mayweather might have won all his matches, and the Pacman did not. However, who do you think has won everyone's hearts? It's hands down - the Pacman. Even the great trio of the Celtics came just to cheer him. Papa Smurf, Mayweather is a good boxer, but his greatness seems to be jailed in the four corners of the ring. Pacman's impact reverberates around the world - now that's what you call GREATNESS. Don't get me wrong, I heard that Mayweather too has his own charitable institutions, that's great. But the words that come from his mouth, belittling other people (who are not even his ring opponents), makes him the greatest hypocrite.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
National_Fist:  Mayweather? boring....................
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Bongoton:  FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!! If Diaz is a BUM, then so is Carlos Baldomir. They are similar in so many ways. But the thing is, your boy Floyd, couldn't even knock him out. He couldn't put away a BUM. He couldn't knock out a BUM ! Bwahahaha.. The way Manny handled Diaz is what best fighters are all about. Sadly, Floyd couldn't do it.. end of story
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Pacman:  To Papa Smurf: Have you gone reading boxing facts? Or you're just the type of watching YouTube and comment on what you have just seen on the video? You're right Pacquiao was knocked-out on the Singsurat fight but did you know that before the fight started, Manny has dehydrated himself to the point that he can't stand! BUt because he has heart not like that of Scareweather, he still went in there even with 30-40% health condition. Why would Scareweather not fight Cotto or Margarito? He rather chose to retire to avoid them and get back once these fighters are not any more around!LOL
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  Radam, I think you need to stop with your wack ass rhymes/ because you sound worse than donputo69. Pacquiao is garbage so I'll change his name/ to Wacquiao beating bums is his claim to fame. You think your a poet but you sound like a clown/ Money Mayweather's the best so put the pom pom's down. TSS censors my comments like the FCC/ that's why for a few weeks you have'nt heard from me. But now I'm back like "Money" will be in a year or so/ to reclaim the P4P spot he had a year ago. Mike Lynch is a fluke as a writer he fails/ so he writes this type of garbage because controversy sells!!!!! Holla! Hahaha! Floyd is legend for sure!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Glenn:  beautiful! I've been tellin' yall! manny pacquiao is a fighter worth watching!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
denz:  That fight against Singsurat,Manny lost because he was fighting even with a bum stomach,he was lso dehydrated due to diarrhea,but he opt to continue with the fight.That's the reason he was writhing in pain and eventually lost the fight.Manny is a real fighter you see.No comics,no acting,just pure, naked boxing!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  So, Manny is the new P4P king, huh? All this for beating David Diaz? Seems like you Floyd haters are really desparate to fill that huge void left in the kings thrown, ain't you? Well, back to reality. The only people to consider Manny Wacquiao P4P king is TSS writers and editers. The rest of the world knows who the real king is......Even IF he is retired. "Wacman beats another bum", hiphip - hoooraaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy, hiphip - hoooooooraaaaaaaaayyyy, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
bfngfj:  manny! manny! manny!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
antonito:  PBF clearly knows that when manny Pacquiao demolish diaz, manny will be the new p4p king, thats why he retire
Monday Jul 7, 2008
red_maker:  money floyd the chicken myweather....... shut up,,,money the pacman pacquiao does not duck no one presented by his promoter on the ring ,,, you are such a big coward to miguel cotto and margarito,,, and maybe if you and manny pacquiao will fight on the ring to be settle who is the best pound for pound you will know it after taking back to your senses on the floor,,, money pacman pacquiao will knock you out no doubt,,, you and ricky hatton will be knockout by money pacman pacquiao ,,,
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Askal:  Yeah right. Defeats only make you stronger. Pacquiao did prove that. Would Mayweather be brave enough to climb the ring dehydrated? No way. But Pacquiao did it (though, lets face it. He lost). Since that lost, he went ballistic to win his fights. Why would'nt Scareweather fight Cotto? Coz he's chicken. Is that a very respectable trait of a person who claims to be the best in the game? Hell NO!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
reyarag:  you can all say what you want you, you pac-haters and gayweather lovers,,but the truth is mayweather retired because he was scared to hell to fight the real champions in his division (cotto, williams, and margarito),,,\ he should have proven his running tactics in the ring atleast against one of those guys.....look how the pacman destroyed the best, i mean legendary, future hall of famer, fighters in his division[ feather and super feather wt. div.]...now that is what you call a p4p king... p4p king doesnt necessarily mean an 0 in your record,,,,if thats the case then valero, cotto, pavlik would be the kings in that p4p rank,,,but its how you deliver your fight in the ring and how you impress people,,,and that is where there is a big difference between manny and clown floyd,,,,pacman fights with bad intention... thats it ....agree guys??
Monday Jul 7, 2008
KO fan:  Let's face it guys, it's more exciting to watch Pacman's fight compared to Mayweather's. Boxing's dying out because of the fighting style being used by Mayweather and co. Pacman's ascension to popularity is the much needed shot in the arm of boxing. I must admit that Mayweather's the much better boxer, but in no way is he more fun to watch compared to Pacman.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
dsource:  manny's only real loss is to morales those 2 old losses were because manny was young and lacked guidance. Life in the Philippines is hard and none of you who haven't lived there wouldnt have a clue. He lost cause he was a kid caught up in d vices. He drank d night before fights had a hard time making weight but what matters is what manny is now. Haters? Look who's talking. Mayweather is the biggest hater of em all and if u read at the posts of his fans here like the first guy, that's textbook haterade. Pacquiao is still improving would u believe it? Yet he still takes on challenges and make em look easy but realistically theyre not. Haters always say he won't win his next bout whenever its still up but after manny wins they come up with millions of excuses like how barrera is old or this guy is a bum etc. But if u really look at d caliber of opponents PAC has fought since bursting into d scene in 2001 nobody even come close that's why theyre even resorting to higher weight classes to look for challengers. Shyyyyyt mayweather doesn't just duck the cottos or even the Mosleys but when in the ring he don't really want to fight. Good riddance! Pbf is a clown n wouldve driven boxing down the drain with him on top. Pacquiao is a class act besides back then when PAC wasn't as popular as he is now pbf said it himself that PAC is the clear cut p4p best boxer after him. He's just hating now cause manny has made ppl forget about him. He's so desperate he even played d race card. In present times this dude needs to experience how hard it is to be Asian or Mexican in the USA. Pbf just stfu! U had ur time now do us all a favor n just vanish. LOL
Monday Jul 7, 2008
PACBOY:  Floyd haters or not, Pacman vs. Diaz figth is far more entertaining that FLoyd running away from Oscar all night while the whole world awaits for NOTHING ! All hail the P4P king - PACMAN RULES !!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
ph0bus:  quoute for PAPA SMURF, yeah pacquiao lost by knockdowns, so what? Hope you've done some research 1st before u brag that Pacman has been knocked out before by nobodys. Manny lost to Singurat because of weight problems, he can no longer maintain that kind of weight during that time coz his a growing man. He starved for days before the fight w/ Singurat. Thats why when the fight came, he had nothing! His so weak because of starvation, thats why he lost the fight. his fight with Fellow Filipino Torrecampo is no excuse, he became boastful at that time, too much confidence led to him being careless and be knocked out.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
jun endozo:  The debate is settled! Manny's victory is but a confirmation of his standing as the world's p4p best. The retirement of Floyd simply made the choice easier, but even if Floyd did not retire, Manny with his recent feat and his resume of conquered champions through the course of his career gives the former a run for his money in the race for being p4p king. Undeniably, Floyd is a great fighter and is surely headed to Canastota, but what makes Manny better than him is that Manny had never turned his back on a tough fight, something floyd used to do but had in recent years prior to his retirement seemed to fear doing. Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Ledwaba, Diaz, Lucero, Julio, Sanchez, Sasakul and a host of other champions, and up next is Venezuelan swinger Edwin Valero. This is a list that clearly dwarfs Floyd's list of recent victims; a washed-up Dela Hoya and a blown-up Hatton, and an obvious reluctance to face his legitimate contenders, particularly Cotto and Margarito.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
White Tiger:  Mayweather maybe 1000X better than Pacman in terms of skills but Pacman put him down in one, a crowd pleasing performance. Fans watch Mayweather to get the beating, Fans watch Pacman for high expectation.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
winston:  CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PACMAN !!!! HE IS SO DESERVING OF THE P4P TITLE... IT'S BEEN LONG OVERDUE. AS FOR PBF, THAT'S ALL HE IS, HE WANTS TO STAY PRETTY THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN DUCKING COTTO OR MARGARITO. NO DOUBT HE HAS DEFENSIVE SKILL, BUT HE FIGHTS A BORING FIGHT. HE NEEDS TO HAVE MORE HEART. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED PRIZE FIGHTING, TO ENTERTAIN FIGHT FANS. I HOPE PBF READS THIS, AND REASSESS HIS STAND IN BOXING. DONT WASTEYOUR TALENT !!!!! GROW SOME BALLS AND TAKE SOME RISK !!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
nuno:  manny got KO'd before... so??? so as other champions... but manny worked hard and achieved every boxer wished for... .. lol @ Eastar... let your man Mayweather fight Cotto... ohhh shot! sorry, he wont.. coz its business right?? lol, yeah right! he got scared! he retired and said he is ahead of those other bums... lol, yet he is afraid of fighting those bums.. lol... and ohhh btw, Pacman NEVER claimed that he is the best P4P fighter... the people said he is! and as for Gayweather, he said he's the best of the world.. lol, BORING!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Mayweather is a Joke:  All u Floyd lovers, face it. ur boy got skills but was a big time PUSS!! He couldnt put Old fart and full time promoter OLDH on the floor(after promising to put him there). Pacman KTFO'd a natural light welter and prime Diaz. He KO's Hatton, big deal...Collazo(??)was ready to ice him in their fight. Speaking of "controversy sells" isnt Mayweather the one calling HBO racist???Floyds like a girl, cant handle the fact no one likes her so she creates attention and drama.lol!!! Theres no conspiracy and no flukes, the truth is that Manny is true P4P king..Ur boy wishes he could get a fourth of the admiration Manny gets. But thats what ur boy gets for ducking the best competition.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
THE PACMAN:  The only boxer who won titles @FLYweight and LIGHTweight. Is there no one else?
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Boxfan69:  He's P4P king because Floyd retired, remember? He solidified the spot in the beat down he put on Diaz... he's not P4P king for beating one man.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
sal:  Manny Pacquiao has 6 belts. One that is ommited in all reports is his fight against barrera Nov 2003.. Watch it on you tube. Listen to what the Buffer say at the end of the tko. To all you writers, research and you shall see.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Chitae:  Very nice piece of ART Mr. Lynch. I admire your work. PBF is the real P4P king pfffff please stop it. PBF is bragging hes a 5 division world champion but in a traditional boxing division he only won 2 compare to pacquiao who has 3 world champion in 3 original boxing division. Pacquiao fought the best while PBF dodged the best. Sad to say, but PBF is really pampered in boxing. How can an ordinary man be impressed in boxing if hes watching the likes of mayweather? He doesnt care about those boxing techniques. He wants wars, bloods, pains, tears, brutalities etc. PBF gtfo forever in boxing you are not worthy to be called as a king, you are not a warrior, you are a runner evading the likes of cotto margarito cintron. You are like a traditional politician in boxing that somehow managed to win the fight against castillo, and dela hoya. You are not fooling anyone here Mr. Mayweather. You will forever be remembered in history but will never be considered in all-time greats. In the scale of 1-10 if i rate rocky marciano he will be 7 and you mr. mayweather is 4. I dont care with your undefeated record its the quality of opposition that counts. You ain't no black boxer youre a white boxer trap in a black's body. You don't even come close to the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Ali, Tyson.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
yo:  oh yeah, gayweathers fans out there......your fighter is totally boring......track and field is best for him yah.......his talking a lots of craps.......let your fighter fight toe to toe let us see what happen......he is coward lad.....
Monday Jul 7, 2008
mayweather:  im afraid of cotto and margarito...i am also afraid to have a rematch against old oscar..huhuhuhuhu its time to retire....ciao...
Monday Jul 7, 2008
diosdidith:  i think pacman, is the pound 4 pound king no question don jose sulaiman the presedent of the wbc the most prestigius body organization of boxing pacman is 5 division world champion.................//////////////////////
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Marvin:  you guys are idiot if always competing with your opinions, please respects others opinion. It's there opinion, we have different opinions because of individual differences,, PAC MAN is the man right now.... PBF is the man before because of his superior skills in the ring but PAC MAN is the most exciting to watch!..... AM I RIGHT?......... If you always criticized its better for you to one pair of gloves then fight each other who's the better man. okey.......thank you......
Monday Jul 7, 2008
cyko:  i think your right, manny is now the p4p king. go manny!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Marvin:  you guys are idiot if always competing with your opinions, please respects others opinion. It's there opinion, we have different opinions because of individual differences,, PAC MAN is the man right now.... PBF is the man before because of his superior skills in the ring but PAC MAN is the most exciting to watch!..... AM I RIGHT?......... If you always criticized its better for you to have one pair of gloves then fight each other who's the better man. okey.......thank you......
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Anonymous user:  If Manny fought Floyd Jr. at lightweight, the Pacman will surely KTFO Scareweather jr. In terms of handspeed is almost equal but Power is on the side of PAC.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Uruk-Hai:  In your stupidity Mr. Lynch you forgot a few basic things. Things which a kid already knows and yet you dont. Being the best means fighting the best. You forgot to point that out. Gayweather ducked and weaved every elite of every weight class he has been in. Now why is that again absent from your brains. Now that you have read this you may delete it. Stupidity has no cure my mom used to say. And this site still never learn its lesson.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
sissyweaTher:  i for one agree to mr. lynch... floyd never really prove his worth in the ring... yeah, his skills and talent in the ring are great... but everytime i watched him fight i fell asleep... maybe because all of floyds opponents are bums... well, maybe not all exclude the OLD GATTI and ODLH... lolz Maybe if floyd will fight Cotto maybe i will change my mind about him... lolz
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Uruk-Hai:  Also Gayweather is never a better boxer than Pac. You forget your dictionary dude. Is boxing running from a Baldomir and a shot DLH is it using movement to launch attacks WITHOUT DISENGAGING. Caps provided for you so that a writer like you may understand this. You Lynch and Avila seem to forget what boxing is. Let me educate you. Boxing is not running.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
el terible:  slow down fanatics or I should say filipinos the greatest since ali dont get carried away. I give manny props but he's not a god! He did beat all the great mexicano champions past their prime dont forget a 35 year old fighter beat him twice in my eyes. out boxed him the majority of two fights. manny is a great physical fighter but he is average as a boxer. when his physical abilities wear down he will go down he wont be a great fighter like Juan Manual at the age of 35. so enjoy it know fanatics or I should say pinoys because it isnt going to last.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
sissyweaTher:  i for one agree to mr. lynch... floyd never really prove his worth in the ring... yeah, his skills and talent in the ring are great... but everytime i watched him fight i fell asleep... maybe because all of floyds opponents are bums... well, maybe not all exclude the OLD GATTI and ODLH... lolz Maybe if floyd will fight Cotto maybe i will change my mind about him... lolz
Monday Jul 7, 2008
chardo:  its all our own opinion to say wether we're pacquiao afficionados or we're mayweather's corner but we need not to have this badmouth extravaganza our boxers says it all in the ring and its very clear that they already made their statement...
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Uruk-Hai:  Lastly Gayweather is a sideshow. You're old enough that you should understand that. Undefeated proves nothing. Belts in multipe proves nothing. Titles proves nothing. The bottomline it's the names in one's resume which counts. Now I really wonder why this site, full of so-called boxing critics doesn't know of this SIMPLE and BASIC FACT. Why is that. Especially you Mr. Avila. Now that you have read my posts you can delete it. It is exclusively for your education.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
achilles pinoy:  yeah papa smurf!!! aw? aw? aw? aw? you just like a DOGIE BOY hehehehehehehee....KO by rostico yeah? its true...but KO by sigsurat a big NO!!! pacquiao was dehydrate b4 thais wants him to fights sinsurat thats the goodnes of being a thai...national and local politician will supporting their own PATSY BOXER...to asured of winning...and as a human being pacman will 100% KOed... now my BIG QUESTION TO YOU!! PAPA SMURF? does any THAI FIGHTERS fighting OUTSIDE THEIR OWN TERRITORY?? aw aw aw aw aw aw.....where is their greatness? if they are 100% afraid to fight in the US? how does the THAI keep themselves always fight inside their country? bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa...papa smurf? you better fight in thailand then you will know it hehehehehehehehehehee
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Asian P4P King:  Hey Floyd,why did you retire so early?.....are you afraid of cotto or margarito perhaps? bwahahahahahaha! (lol) For your added information,Manny didn't duck no one in his division and he accomplished way beyond as an asian fighter from the Philippines...i think he is the victim of discrimination not you! of being not an american fighter that should be choosen as the p4p king when you are still in the circle.Give your fans a favor will yah,if you decided already to fight again,please pick "miguel cotto" for the sake of boxing because cotto let his awesome fist do the talking not his mouth.But you are the undisputed m4m king of all time bar none (lol)
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Don Pusang Gala Carmona:  Manny Pacquio is No. 1 P4P period, Mayweather a big Nothing in boxing, whether you like it or not diehard fans of Gayweather, he will be 39-1 if he fights Cotto, hahahahahahaha
Monday Jul 7, 2008
nehem:  manny was knocked out twice because he is dehydrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
jr:  all i can say is floyd and manny are two top boxers in the world the past two or three years. but when it comes to excitement, floyd's fights are not even close to manny's fights. even if floyd did not retire, manny will overtake him as the new pound for pound king no matter what. manny is the true idol in boxing in or out of the ring.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Brasileiro:  Mayeather's a superb boxer, one of the best in the history of the sport no doubt. But because time and again, he avoided fighters that can give him real problems, his claim to the P4P throne is very questionable. Im not hating on Mayweather, he was a great champ. But you simply can't downplay Packy's achievements inside the ring. Yeah, he wont be as brilliant as Mayweather in terms of skill, but Mayweather wont be as bold and courageous as Pacquiao, in and out of the ring.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Floyd is Gay:  Floyd was NEVER a pound for pound king to begin with...FOR WHAT? Name more than two boxers that are hall of fame aside from De La Hoya that he fought? Gatti? get the hell out if you think that way (no disrespect to gatti though). Floyd is a FRAUD! Scared like hell to fight the likes of Williams, Margarito, and Cotto!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Floyd is Gay:  Floyd was NEVER a pound for pound king to begin with...FOR WHAT? Name more than two boxers that are hall of fame aside from De La Hoya that he fought? Gatti? get the hell out if you think that way (no disrespect to gatti though). Floyd is a FRAUD! Scared like hell to fight the likes of Williams, Margarito, and Cotto!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
powowow:  floyd mayweather is the p4p king???? no way!!! perfect style as a boxer???? no way!!!! One hundred million dollars???? one hundred million penney...yes!!! i will never buy a pay per view whoever he fights. Ricky hatton is a small guy but floyd keeps running away from him.floyd should not be boxer but instead a runner in a marathon. thats is where he supposed to be. i dont like his style of boxing which everybody think is flawless. By using his shoulder alone to avoid being hit for me is the most awkward and one of the ugliest style of boxing that ived ever seen. Not to mention the biggest flaw of all by running around the ring like being scared of something.What is 39-0 record anyway.ill be impress if its at least 50-0. Floyd is the most boring fighter i have ever seen. his style is nowhere near aaron pryor. pryor is gonna whup him if only boxers doesnt get old. he said his the greatest of all time??? Great boxers have great styles like ali... leonard...holyfiled...pacquiao...pryor...demsey who throws a million punches. And hey mr eastar....you said wac man beats another bum!!! Is Ledwaba....barrera...morales...marquez...larios a bum??? shame on you!!! Those are hall of famers!!! Did your guy floyd mayweather beat a hall of famer other than an aging Oscar delahoya???You see... im not a black guy but i like black boxers wiht great style. Your guy is not one of them. If Pacquiao is only a welterweight like mayweather....at 147 lbs. I assure you Manny will destroy Money!!!He retired because hes scared of Cotto.And even if he defeats Cotto hes still not the best and will never be cause as ived said...his style of boxing is Nooo Goooood!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Nivram!!!!:  To all lossers out there, we accept the reality that PacMan now is the new P4P KING! why? first, many people considered PacMan four world title in any division, second, future hall of fame barrera and morales knock-out by PacMan! Take note Joe Calagzhe is very far from PacMan achievements! I consider also Mayweather is former P4P KING, but he is not an exciting fighter like PacMan! Mayweather has a superb decision to retire for his own good, for a good reason that he wants to see his children when he is at 50 to 60 yrs old!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
manny pacquiao:  y dont you fight me coward!!!! to prove who is the best between us, period.... are you scared ;-{
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Papa Shango:  Hey! Papa Smurf! you need 2 research dude. i have watched and followed all pacman's fight since his flyweight days. his lost with rustico torrecampo was caused by his carelessness. no doubt about it. his too young on that time. but you learn from your mistakes. he has a great trainer now who he gain a lot specially defense. then, his lost to singurat was a joke. before the weigh-in, he is struggling to make the weight. its true. b4 the fight, tv news shows the sufferings of manny to make the weight. he doesn't eat for 3 days just to make the weight. he only drink gatorade. you can even look at his record in boxrec justifying a brief statement of what happened on his fight with singurat. GAYWEATHER is not a BOXER. SHE is a RUNNER!!! PERIOD!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
donputo69:  yo easter bunny..you sound like an idiot..better yet....a 3 year old.....lol...how can you say pacman fought bums?...you see....,right there we all know you dont know $#!T about boxing....so now morales is a bum?..barrera?..marquez?...you idiot...what about scareweathet?..he beat a washed up gatti and he became P4P king?...lmfaooooo...give me a break.....thats why me DONPUTO69 be getting at you dumb@$$es...holla back idiots.....
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Jerry Lynch:  There is a thing about boxing in that the objective is to beat the opponent according to the rules. Mayweather was very good at doing just that. His style (and certainly his mouth) did not gain him many fans but he most certainly was very good at the sport of boxing. He never really had 1 punch KO power like Pac does but he was a master at boxing. His style was to stay away, play defense & then exhibit enough offense to win. If a fighter is chasing you and not able to catch you then you are simply doing a better job than he is. Pac is certainly more exciting than Mayweather ever tried to be and he is probably faster than any of Mayweather's opponents. At 135 it seems that Pac has peaked and if he were fighting the 135 Mayweather it would be a contest to be enjoyed. Nobody should ever consider Diaz as a measuring stick because it was obvious that he was no match for Pac no matter how gallantly he fought. Let me address those early losses Pac suffered. Against Torrecampo he was dehydrated from making weight and also took his opponent lightly thus resulting in his being knocked out by a lucky punch. When he lost his title against the Thai he had lost it before stepping into the ring. He was still growing and unable to make weight. I think he has reached his optimum weight at 135 but can probably campaign successfully at 140 against even the best in that division. Too much has been made of the power & speed he may lose as he steps up in weight because he started at such a young age and weight. It is only logical that he would gain strength and power without necessarily losing speed as he matures. His skills heve most certainly improved as of late even though his demolition of David Diaz is not a true barometer. Pac/Marqueze III & Pac/Valero I want to see before he takes Hatton apart. Valero is a fraud who has fought noone.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Pedroza:  Papa Smurf: Have you ever heard of Alexis Arguello? Going in to his fight with Pryor, Arguello was regarded as the best P4P fighter. (SRL had retired.) In Arguello's pro debut, he was stopped in the 1st round by Cachorro Amaya! He also was stopped in his fourth fight. He was also stopped in six in his 23rd fight by Jorge Reyes. Are you kinda getting the point? For the Singsurat fight, Pac surrendered his title on the scales; that's the type of condition he entered in to that fight in. Oh, for a couple of other examples, Eusebio Pedroza was KO'd by Oscar Arnel. Oscar Arnel! Antonio "Kid Pambele" DCCervantes had over a half dozen losses before his title reign; he was one of the top fighters of the 1970's. In this day and age, the "undefeated record" is valued much more than it used to be. Look at fighters like Conn, Moore, Joe Louis...the list goes on and on.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
fighterfan:  like many of us im a fighting fan. this is the difference between gayweather and Manny Pacquiao. If there are any negative words spoken about Manny Pacquiao its that he's not the best boxer in the world, thats it. you will never hear or read about him being a coward and not have fought the best. Never will you hear or read that he dodged a fight and you will never hear him boast and carry on like a clown about his talent. gayweather is already forgotten cos everyone wants to forget him. even if Manny Pacquiao isn't P4P king everyone was so quick to replace gayweather with a true champion. gayweather wasn't doing boxing any favours but he did boxing a favour by retiring. it will be a sad day in boxing and sport as a whole if or when he is inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame. trash like gayweather doesn't deserve to be remebered, acknowledged and credited among the Greats of boxing.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Anonymous user:  Eastfool, just go away and stay. U r no star. And u r below a fluke. Ya heard!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
p4p mayweather:  very nice read. If someone will create a robot with mayweather's p4p and legendary skills, and had it fight a paper drawn boxer. It will be a draw.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
blue4cor:  Mayweather 's unwillingnes to trade punches is one big reason why there is always a cloud of doubt he is the top pound for pound in boxing. In contrast, Manny has everything what sports writers and all of the world boxing enthusiasts want a p4p man to be. In his comment about the HBO commentators, I see it as a more feeling of insecurity for himself not to be called the best in the world rather than a racial issue. Way before Mayweather retired I always have Pacquiao as the number 1.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
jesse:  mayweather is good skilled fighter started to train for the science of boxing and has the speed and trash talking abilities. pacman is not even closed to mayweather when it comes to skills. but skills can be learn thanks to roach he has the power, speed and a little bit of skills compare to mayweather. when ask whos the p4p king mayweather says im the p4p king and im the greatest boxer ever live. manny says im just a fighter to give my best in the ring. all i can say is if he is the greatest boxer he should have the respect of the boxing public he even disrespect the HBO and the race thing again... ali is black and so for leonard and many more. but we love them not their race. in order for u to be great earn respect. if ur respected and ull be great. furthermore, maywether, true he has 5 div belts but who did he beat that is great. hmmm there is 1. OSCAR D. but already washup. hatton he went down to 140. ew. at least for pacman 3 hall of famers in there primes. will be in his resume to prove his greatness. imagine if pacman started his career under roach. i think from jr fly hed b d champ collecting belts and not suffer any in his career. amm well should lost 1 from morales.lol. peace for mayweather fan if there any.....
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Papa Smurf >>> STUPID:  hey smurfy, you might want to do your research first. Pacquio lost that fight to Singsurat because he was not able to make weight. he outgrew that weight category already. he had to starve himself and lose body H2O just so he can get up on the ring.... STUPID people just relying on BoxRec and YouTube and pretending to know everything!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Nadal:  Watch PBF Hatton. One punch by PBF, hug. What is that? Do you see highlight reels from the past about SRR, SRL, Ali, Tyson, with one punch then hug? A cowardly way to fight. What if all boxers emulate PBF. Death of boxing.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
smurf my a_ _!!:  Papa Smurf know nothing!! just a dumb wannabe ... lol
Monday Jul 7, 2008
junji:  Pacmans defeats wer at flyweight when he has dehydrating himself to make the weight. Plus he was still raw.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
ricardo peteros:  You are very correct that because of Manny Pacquiao boxing is alive again today and we are lucky enough to witness in our generation this small person but very exciting from the Philippines. More power to you and all boxing fans in the world!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Braveboy:  Personally,Id rather get KO'D by 2 Uknowns while having trouble making weight..Learn my lesson..Get better..Demolish every "Legend"..Than trying to KO Unknowns..While DUCKING all the greats..I wish PBF would have the balls to prove his critics wrong and not rely on his fans to do his fighting for him. I wish we could have seen Manny Vs Old PBF @ 135.Had we seen that fight i'm sure there would be nothing more to talk about. Two things separate Manny from PBF..Cajones and HEART!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Ed:  Until now, i can't understand why so many people still think Floyd is the no.1 pound for pound. There are other writers; Dan Rafael, TSS, Etc. that have PACMAN as no. 1. Here's why; in the last 10 years, THE PACMAN moved up 5 divisions and annihilated world champs, ex- champs and HOF. He does not run, hide or dock fighters.. If you are a true boxing fan, then PACMAN IS YOUR MAN.. Floyd wins (even ko's opponents) because he runs and hits them until they are soft and ready for the taking.. that all..UNDERSTAND..!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
alberzki21:  Whew!!! What an article mike! That was so nice to read esp. im also a FILIPINO like PACMAN. He truly is our NATIONAL TREASURE! A HUMAN DYNAMO on top of the ring, a real gladiator, and most of all the new HOPE of the entire PHILIPPINES! He revolutionized the fading sport of boxing by showing a new dimension on the sport. A combination of SPEED, POWER, and HEART that's very rare to see it mold into 1 boxer. That is........EMMANUEL D. PACQUIAO.....A Filipino
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Anonymous user:  "FLOYD IS THE LEGEND" :::::: Remember I told you Scareweather will not have a Legacy after 5 or 10 years??? It is happening much before than that. Articles like this and FLOYD'S BIG MOUTH are doing the job just fine. That interview were Floyd criticizes HBO's commentators is INSANE, how come an smart guy like him do that? Even Floyd fans are sorry for him. The reality is that FLOYD AND WINKY WRIGHT ARE BORING FIGHTERS THAT INFURIATES REAL BOXING FANS WHO WANTS ACTION, not an exhibition of let me protect myself at all times and wait for a hole. THAT'S EXACTLY what Mike Lynch is criticizing here. The lack of action is hurting the sport while UFC is all blood and no styles. Boxing needs to balance this and fighters like "Waitingweather" and "Winky Cover" hurts the sport. It is incredible to trash talk HBO when they loved and praised guys like Tyson, Evander, Sugar Ray, Hagler, Hearns and much others. ACTION FIGHTERS WHO THREW PUNCHES IN BUNCHES. They were not Mayweather or Winky for sure. You and the others Scareweathers lonesome fans should notice this and ask for apologies on Floyd's behalf. OR DO YOU THINK THE SAME? THAT HBO IS RACIAL TO BLACK FIGHTERS?
Monday Jul 7, 2008
This is JEOPARDY! (Question read via monitor by Floyd Mayweather):  The only man EVER to reign as the mythical P4P champion despite having TWICE been KO'd by regional, nondescript opposition, and who, in the last 4 years, has suffered a loss to a ring-worn Erik Morales and a draw with Juan Manuel Marquez. Who is Manny Pacquiao, Alex. Correct!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
escape9:  donputo69....the fights u saw when pacman was KOed...that was pacman when he was a young kid (barely a man). Inexperienced and was unknown himself like his opponents (and like you by the way)--got it?! who needs your opinion? Floyd? He did not retire...I reckon he's just waiting for someone to step up and insult him to get him back in the ring for the biggest payday of his life. Boxing is like show business darling, no one retires permanently till they stop winning. its all about controversy, hype, and publicity so thickheads like you can thrive on it. Fuss, fuss, fuss...that's all there is. You need to educate youself, you stink and i can smell you from here. Chow.....i bet u can't wait to answer back on this comment....see what am saying....typical idiot like you is so predictable! To the other readers...my appologies for the bad words i wrote. PEACE!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
choconatebar:  "Boxing" not "Running" is the sport we're talking about, right? So, if P4P means the best boxer regardless of weight, we consider how often a fighter fires that punch; how accurately he lands that punch; and how effectively that punch is delivered to an opponent to win. How difficult could the P4P title be settled -- with or without Mayweather? I think Pacquiao is good for the sport of Boxing. The thought of Mayweather retired, sitting on his laurels safely undefeated, is OK. But the sweet science without Pacquiao??? Geez, it's like we never had Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello, Boom-Boom Mancini and all the other exciting fighters who put themselves out there. Join the track and field team, Mayweather. Or transfer to WWE! Yeah!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Papa Smurf:  I'm a huge supporter of Pac Man, that much I and my cable provider can assure you. I've purchased all his PPV fights and have never felt buyer's remorse as I did with Floyd's. That said, my point is simply that in the P4P debate, a fighter's ENTIRE history needs to be considered, not just a snapshot in time during which he's been on a roll. Look, if he lost those fights because he was in the wrong weight class or was boozing the night before, that's fine, but a loss is a loss. The P4P king needs to win on nights when he doesn't have his best stuff. Someone mentioned Ali. In the first part of his career, prior to the exile, he was undefeated and at his absolute peak. Prole fail to remember how menacing Sonny Liston was. The guy was a terror. That Ali was the P4P greatest. The second act of Ali was not. Incidentally, his losses were all decisions except the Holmes TKO (Ali was fighting with early stage Parkinson's). Pac Man IS great, but his being at the top of the P4P heep is debatable.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
MANG RESTY:  I think the true measure of a P4P King is not measured by the number of belts one has nor the record of being undefeated.I believe that, it is measured by the amount of inspiration he brings to the people who loves this sport.Mr.Pacquiao,like everyone of us, in some point of our lives have experienced defeat/setbacks but just like him,the ability to rise from a fall is something that all of us would want to happen to our existence.Mr.Mayweather is a disappointment to this sport,instead of using his stature to uplift this sport,his words outside the ring is comparable to the losers in the sports called LIFE.Few are given the chance to be like him ,unfortunately he is just a champion inside the ring but outside of it,he is now a thing of the past,good for statistics but no meaningful stories to tell my grandchildren...that fighting does not starts and ends inside the ring it continues outside of it--LIFE is our ring.Fortunately, We have Mr.Pacquaio & Mr.Diaz that sportsmanship is still a word that is not just spoken or written but a word that is still put into action.Actions speaks louder than words.Their life/words/actions outside the ring is story worth telling to everyone.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
donputo69:  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!...hey scareweather not so legend.....lmfaooo....what you gotta say now?...lol..if i were you, i wouldnt be posting no comments in this room...lmfaoooo....more power to all of these scareweather haters in this room...so i guess im not the only one...lmfaooooo....everybody knows that sissy scarefeathers is pu$$ee...good one on eastfool....easterbunny is a crackhead...he dont know nothing about boxing....holla back scareweather haters!!!!!!!.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
pain4profit:  im confused. P4P mayweather fights ricky hatton and gets all of the criticism people can dish out. Then comes P4P Manny and everyone is DEMANDING to see this fight with Hatton? This is retarded. I know hatton is the king at 140 but come on. The real fight that should be made is De La Hoya/Cotto after he beats Antonio. We all know Cotto would pick apart Oscar and then MAYBE we will get to see what the world really awaits.....Cotto/Mayweather in 2009. People can hate all they want but in the end, Floyd will ALWAYS be in the conversation when it comes to Cotto, Pacquaio, De La Hoya etc... He is obviously the fighter that every corner of the boxing world wants to see......even if everyone wants to see him lose.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::  "Hay scareweather not so legend.......Oh more power to the to the scareweather haters" Now who's calling who? You need all these ignorants around you to feel safe. Besides when Radam dissed Cotto you started bitching like a 7 year old girl. YOU were the sissy right then. I don't have to deal with you, mommy. When Margarito beats Cotto, you'll be "CMAO" all year long........... Let see the current P4P King: Doesn't have any defense, Always goes foward, he has beaten the BUMMEST Lightweight champions, he has 3 LOSSES (TWO by TKO), plus he's been trained by Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach...WOW!!!! You all have a tremendous Champion. Oh yeah, yeah. WOW! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That dude's not gonna last. You all hailing for the FALSE KING!!!! His kindom is a FLUKE, and his castle can be invaded EASILY......anyway, you all (except mommy hatred) must Asian kids. It's all right. Keep up the FAKE-HYPE
Monday Jul 7, 2008
kili kili:  Calling Mayweather gay is an insult to the gay community. Even calling him chicken is an insult to chickens. Chickens (or cocks) fight to the death. Mayweather just runs and ducks. I bet you if he can find another fighter he can beat he'll "conveniently" come out of retirement.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Sodamn Insane:  Pacman brings a lot of excitement and energy in the ring and this is what the boxing fans want to watch . Mayweather is good in talking and hyping himself but failed to fight the top contenders like Sugar Shane , Margarito or even Cotto but instead took on fighters that where weaker He didn't want to take chances while Pacman is calling out Ricky Hatton the man that cemented Mayweather's legacy. Maybe Floyd is willing to fight a smaller man named Pacman. I'm sure at a 140 lbs Pacman will go on and take that fight.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
McLeoj:  HAIL TO THE NEW KING OF BOXING!.....MANNY "THE REAL MONEY PACMAN" PACQUIAO!!! SEE, MANNY IS SHARING HIS BLESSINGS WITHTHE POOR VICTIMS OF RECENT TYPHOON...TOTALLITY, MANNY IS THE MAN! HE IS IN BOXING, SINGING, ACTING, HOSTING, BASKETBALLING, HUMBLY PRAYING AND HELPING THE NEEDY....MAYWEATHER JR. IS ONLY BRAGGING, BOASTING, RUNNING AND COWARDING....BUWAAHAHAHAAAAAAA.....
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Zabyog:  Hello Mike, Have you noticed the sudden trend in boxing today? You don't win a fight in the ring without fighting like Manny Pacquiao!!!!!!!! Thanks to this man who brought back the real glory of the sport. If some of the doubters, don't believe me, just listen to the grand old man of boxing Larry Merchant proclaimed in many occassions that if there is only a Manny Pacquiao in each division, then the sport would be reincarnated. He even said jokingly that Manny would be the solutioin to peace and global warming.Manny is slowly transforming the way how the Filipinos think and feel.Suddenly the Pinoys have rediscovered themselves. Pacman is not only a gift for the sport of boxing but a newly acquired national treasure of the Philippines.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Gordo:  Pac Man has been KTFO by a couple of BUMS. I didn't even know that and thought his only loss was Morales. I'm shocked to learn was blasted out by two chumps. Does anyone know where I can get these fights? Youtube was poor quality. I'd love to get those 2 KO losses in my boxing collection. It seems like nobody really even knew it happened until I read this blog. Even the article's author didn't mention it. If Floyd or Roy Jones or Hopkins or Trinidad or Chavez had been KTFO it would have been talked about. Yeah Hopkins lost his pro debut at LH and a decision to Jones but was never KTFO! I'm surprised that this fact has been so carefully concealed. In any event GO MANNY!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
zed:  mayweather the real king,,hail him,,the no.1 mouth 4 mouth champion,,,,he"s nothing but a coward ,,yehhh right he's the skills and talent of a great promising politician,,you know what a monster means 4 gayweather??,,,,,,,,COTTO!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
#1 pacfan:  Mang Resty that was deep!!! Very well said, like we all said Manny the "Pacman" PAACCCQQQUUAIIIOOOO! P4P KING HANDS DOWN. REGAIN YOUR STATUS pbf and fight PACQUAIO AT A CATCH WEIGHT AT 140LBS.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
#1 pacfan:  In about ten years how many times has the Pacman lost I think once.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
zed:  ohhhh,,,,,no,no,no,ive got'a find smewhre to hide he's comming,,,,ive got noting to hide,,yeehhh ive better ritire now,,im so afraid of him i wish cotto never born,,he"s a monster,,oooh help me all gayweather fans out there,,hhhheeeeeelllllpppppppp!!!!!!!meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Don_Pepot:  Why not make those two (Pacman and Mayweather) P4P King or Kings. They are both great and skilled boxers, no question about that. It just happen they differ in method.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
zed:  for you"el terrible"pacman was just an average fighter,,,what do u call the fighter that was beat'n and bsted by the avrage boxer?trash fighters,,your 35yr old crying baby,,he's good but not good enough,,,your fighters were great,,,,great punching bags,,,and great canvas kisser,,!!!bwaaahahahahahaha!!!!!!you just admitted things 4 what u'v just said!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
zed:  the only two great mexicans i knew was,david diaz and oscar larrios,,thats why many pilipinos admired them bco'z they knew the true meaning of sport called boxing!!acceptance and sportsmanship,,,,,
Monday Jul 7, 2008
EL BOBO:  to el terrible, of course any boxer who lost their power, speed, accuracy pass their prime, IDIOT.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
jokel:  Name a boxer who can stop a war and crime waves during his fight time, win or lose, and I will tell you he is not only a P4P King but a GREAT human being. And in this case, it's Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather can be the P4P King anytime, it's his, we could care less, for us, as Filipinos, we are just happy to see the Philippine flag being waved during his bout. For 12 rounds, for 36 minutes, we are united, we are one as a nation. Not every boxer can do that for his country, for his people, certainly and most definitely not Mayweather.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
jokel:  Name a boxer who can stop a war and crime waves during his fight time, win or lose, and I will tell you he is not only a P4P King but a GREAT human being. And in this case, it's Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather can be the P4P King anytime, it's his, we could care less, for us, as Filipinos, we are just happy to see the Philippine flag being waved during his bout. For 12 rounds, for 36 minutes, we are united, we are one as a nation. Not every boxer can do that for his country, for his people, certainly and most definitely not Mayweather.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Isaiah:  I've been saying this for a long time. Mayweather is a punk, a joke, and the sport doesn't need him. Pacman is where it's at! Oh, by the way, big freaking whoop if Pacman has lost before! He's also defeated likely hall of famers, Marco Barrera, (twice) Erik Morales, (also twice) Juan Manuel Marquez, (one draw, one win, and people, I'm just going by the OFFICIAL results mmkay, lol. Marquez fights could have gone either way, etc.) Basically Manny's profile overall has been solid, while Mayweather's has been... shall we say lacking. To be fair Mayweather beat Corralles, ( I admit that was a great win) Jose Luis Castillo (twice, I guess twice... The judges were obviously smoking something during the first fight, maybe the second to...) washed up Oscar de la Hoya, by a lot apparently, I didn't know it was actually a marathon, didn't Oscar bring his sneakers? What's wrong with him? LOL! Seriously though, that fight was very close and I'd still pick Oscar in the rematch that was supposed to have been happening soon. Man... Floyd sure can run fast. I guess he picked the wrong sport. Oh, and Floyd beat undersized Ricky Hatton with Joe Cortez's help of course. I can hear the idiots now, but Floyd started as a junior lightweight, blah, blah, blah. My response would be. I don't care. Go cry to your mama. The REAL welterweight champ is supposed to want to defend his title more then once a year and against ACTUAL WELTERWEIGHTS!!! Alright everybody, let me know what you all think? By the way, Mayweather has NO legacy! Sugar Ray Robinson would have destroyed him! Fight a real welterweight and YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!!! You all know what I mean. Do the names Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, or Paul Williams mean nothing to that retired piece of chicken crap? Oh by the way, move out of the way you all, Floyd heard Oscar de la Hoya's name and he's running fast. LOL. Floyd said, " that big man hurt me bad mommy, I don't want no more." Hey you all, let's guess Mayweather's next fight. I say he calls out the pregnant Laila Ali and he get's knocked out. What's your all's thoughts on this?
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  A lot of "Wacfans" in this room......... AND I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!! Just how Artoro Gatti had so many legions of adoring, gullable and ignorant fans, Wacquiao's figh style draws the same type of crowd. Go ahead, keep boosting this guys status so Floyd can come out of retirement, whoop his ass, embarrass him in front of all hs SCREAMING fanboys, and make another $20 mil from beating an overrated ( some say exciting ) corn ball. Oh, and as far as beating hall of famers, Wacquiao beat Morrales, and Barrera when thay were so old that they were already inaugurated, and thats the only two he beat ( he lost two Marqeuz TWICE in my book ). Floyd Money Mayweather beat FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS while they were still in their prime; Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoha, Ricky Hatton - and soon to be: Ricky RiCotto, and Manny Wacquiao. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holla WACFANS !!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  Hey, #1 Wacfan, Bob Arum will never put Wacquiao in the ring will the great one "Money May". Lucky you, at leats Wacman gets to keep picking on bums until he retires, right?
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Radam G in Manila 4 a PacMan Parade thilla:  Eaststar-LESS -- clueless and slow up top -- go away, and don't come back another day. Find another site, no one cares about what you write. Drop it like it's hot, classy you are not. Jealous and a hater you are, and with that bad attitude you won't get far. Give it a rest. TSS Universe, the managing edtior and fightwriters are the best. And for tonight that is the end of my rhymes. Because with you, I have no more time. It's Manny Time. It's Pinoy Time. Holla!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
MANG RESTY:  Mr,Mayweather,Thank you for your interest in applying with us re:The Position for True Champion is already closed.We already filled it up last June 28,2008 and will start on November 08,2008 upon completion of the necessary requirements. Upon checking your past records as a champion,you were not able to pass our criteria which is a good conduct outside the ring.One must have a completely positive mind.Our organization has no room or time in life for negative things or people.Set goals and follow through on them every step of the way. Follow through on every step, every little step. That’s where most people don’t get it. It’s not easy. It’s not meant to be easy. How badly do you want it? Put in the work and keep a positive mind and things will unfold. But you must keep positive and work hard even on bad days and when things go wrong. It’s how you handle the bad days and what you do to get through them and keep fighting that will determine how far you will succeed. You can do it! All human beings have the potential. Many choose to not do anything with it. You can. Also, surround yourself with good people. It’s key. Best wishes to you,You can still change your attitude to be a true champion that promotes goodwill,one that hates descrimination and yet calls others a bum.Don't call us,we'll call you and remember that Boxing is not just a sport ...It is LIFE itself (Please read Mang Resty).
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Proaco:  Manny has NOT been knocked out twice Papa Smurf. U are a moron. I think if he had been stretched out 2 times, we may have heard about it. Ya think!???! Would you please scurry back into your hole and never come out to play with the big boys.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
eliboy:  Know what? Many people criticize Pacquiao's skills but look at his opponents who were supposed to be more skillful than him, they were knocked out. I wonder how Mayweather would handle Pacquiao at 140 lbs. If Pacquiao knocks Hatton in less than 10 rounds, that would be a strong statement to Mayweath.. "Get out of retirement and fight Pacquiao for the people to see not who is the real #1 P4P in the world (because Pacquiao is), but who is the BETTER boxer/fighter in the world`once and for all!"
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  WACMAN GOT KNOCKED OUT TWICE. WACMAN GOT KNOCKED OUT TWICE. BY NOBODIES. NO EXCUSES. DEHYDRATED ????!!!! SICK????!!!!!! LMAO!!!!! HE FOUGHT NO ONE, AND HAS PROVEN NOTHING. FLOYD BEAT EVERYBODY BUT IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH. "MONEY "IS THE TSUNAMI THAT WILL FLOW THROUGH THE PHILIPPIANS WHEN HE HURTS MANNY'S BODY THROUGH A BRUTAL BEAT DOWN GIVING WACMAN HIS THIRD KNOCKOUT LOSS.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Eastar:  OH BY THE WAY, DUMPATO69, THESE ARE YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER ARTICLE, MORON!!!!! " ok now...enough with this pacman this and pacman that...the guy is good...but not great....i hope he fights hatton...so hatton can kick his @$$...then i wanna see all of you pinoys crying liki lil b!tc#3s... " YEAH ,YOUR JUST A MORON WITH NO CLASS READ YOURSELF TSS READERS THE ARTICLE IS "WELCOME BACK MANNY THE DESTROYER" DUMPATO69 CONTRADICTS HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S A MORON. HE HATES FLOYD SO MUCH HE'LL SIDE WITH ANYBODY WHO HAS A NEGATIVE OPINION ABOUT HIM. YOUR A TRUE BUM!!!! WACQUIAO MIGHT FIGHT YOU NEXT. LOL!!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Anony:  I LIKE DONPUTO69 ::: HE MAKES ME LAUGH AND KNOWS A LOT ABOUT BOXING. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MAYWEATHER KISSERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO LOOK GOOD BUT THEY DON'T SO THEY COME AFTER VALUABLE TSS MEMBERS LIKE DONPUTO. IT IS A MAYWEATHER THING... HIS FANS HAS TO DO THE FIGHT FOR HIM. HAVE ANYBODY READ WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HBO'S COMMENTATORS AND RACIAL STUFF??? WOW... HE DOESN'T NEED ANY HELP TO GO DOWN UNDER THE RUG OF HISTORY. SUCH A BIG MOUTH...... EVEN SOME FANS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGE HE IS A BUM... NOW TAKING ON OSCAR TOO... WOW, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS OSCAR MADE HIM RICH.... A DISGRACE TO THE SPORT.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Cintron:  Floyd who?
Monday Jul 7, 2008
#1 pacfan:  Look at the EasterBunny crying like a lil girl that he is. You're better off retiring this sh*t like your boy Floyd.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
#1 pacfan:  What disagrace of a boxer he put himself out to be man. Upset over favoritism, maybe if he wasn't so boring to watch he could have been popular. He was only a marketable fighter because of that 0 on his record, it's not about that anymore. Boxing you can say is like politics there's bad and good. For many it's who you know and not what you know that puts you on the map. It shouldn't be about that, you have to earn it. Pacquaio definitely earned every respect from a lot of people.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anony, you like don? MARRY HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys need each other to stay in this page, I can see. You can't saty here without each other. ......LOL!!!! "Oh I like donputo. He makes me laugh. He makes me happy. He's not like the Mayweather fans, he's a good lover" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to a motel with him or something. I gotta keep up checking on my girls, man.....by the way TSS editors I still don't see 2 of my comments posted. Guess you guys are scared that I wrote the truth and don't want people to see. I bet this article was put thinking about me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Even TSS editors are scared.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:  MAN listen to you all Pacquiao's fans: "Boxing is of hearts" , "Boxing is 30% this, Floyd 5% that, Manny 60% the other thing", "The P4P is about hearts", "Boxing is like politics" (Like Politics??????????????/) , AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You all mention everything except what boxing is all about: SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skills pays the bills. Speed, reflexes, defense, footwork, stamina, flexibility, counterpunching, timing, all the things that makes up boxing. Those ARE the things what truly makes a fighter great. LOL!!!! But it's all right, keep up the "hearts and the politics". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice future you king has.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
The REAL Salt lover:  This ain't P4P material. Juan Manuel Marquez kicked his ass and got lucky Rob Arum is in his team. He's definitely gonna go down. There's not doubt about that. He ain't no skills. He gets caught in the face a couple of times against Diaz, the must SUCK ASS fighter in the Lightweight. And if a fighter like Diaz could touch his face, can't imagine what Floyd would of done. Manny Pacquiao P4P dominance DEFINITELY has his days numbered.....Just like lil' baby Cotto against Margarito. Peace.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Stik & Move:  I have read a lot of you guys on here and I see most of you guys don't have a clue about boxing!! You guys are praising Manny for beating up a David Diaz like he was the best fighter in the world. You guys are killing me! WoW! David Diaz in his last fight with the distance with Ramon Montona, who is a club fighter. So who would think that he would beat Manny? David Diaz is what you call a made to order guy. I want to ask all of you Pacquaio fans why don't he fight Guzman, Casamayor, Campbell,Juan Diaz and even Humberto Soto. Why don't he get revenge on Soto for destroying his bum brother. If Pacquaio thought he could beat him he would have challenged Soto a long time ago. What you guys fail to look at is that both fights between Marquez and Pacquaio could have with either way. Are we saying that Marquez is in the top five for pound 4 pound? I love what you bandwagon riders are talking about because the minute Pacquaio gets knocked out and he will if he fights any of the guys that I mentioned earlier you guys won't even mention his name. Why won't he fight the real fighters
Monday Jul 7, 2008
mars:  There is no doubt to the superior skills of Mayweather. However, as great as he is, he will never achieve a "legendary" status. And the obvious reason is that he did not fight the best there is (cotto, margarito). These fights are the fights that people are asking. Mayweather was too carefully handled and pitted against opponents. Pac is willing to fight anyone. Both fighters achieved the top P4P status. The big difference is that Pac will undoubtedly become legendary and Mayweather, only a great fighter.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Pedroza:  Stick and Move: Juan Diaz would KO Pacquiao? Humberto Soto's a super featherweight. You claim that Pac is scared of Soto, but I guess you'd have to concede that he isn't scared of Marquez then, right? And most P4P lists I've seen do have JMM as a top five fighter. Joan Guzman would knock out Pacquiao? Hmmm...he hasn't scored a KO in almost four and a half years (and that was at 122). He has scored a whopping two knockdowns in that time (3rd round KD of Joe Morales and 5th round KD of Turdsak Jandaeng), but he's going to KO Pacquiao? LOL!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Ralph A. Ligtas:  First, Pacman is a 5 weight division champion, (watch pacquiao vs barrera 1 and you'll see if Jose Sulaiman's confirmation is not enough for you, Second, Pacquiao has beaten future Hall of Famers, namely Barrera, Morales and Marquez, now, pacquiao has won his first fight at lightweight, together with an incredible performance and a championship belt along with it, Third, eventhough pacman is underdog when fighting Hatton he still goes after, why? because he believes it is a good fight, not something like what Mayweather would do run and gun, 39-0 record is worthless when fighting the wrong opponents. Pacman will beat Valero if Valero does not train his right hand or defense, or if Pacman will not train at all, Valero will win. Ultimately, Manny is a changed man, his perspective with the sport has changed, certainly he will train, train harder than ever, and a new weapon and invincible defense, you'll see this November, the complete Pacman. What out! don't forget to what it on paperview, it is worth it!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Obama:  Floyd may have unscathed face and perfect record but people remember FIGHTERS immortally on the story of their scars and greatness. The name floyd mayweather will be burried together with his perfect record.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
NaldNet73:  to Stik & Move - Same question with Floyd. How come he's avoiding miguel cotto? Because you sure know, he will get knocked out by cotto's body shot.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Brawler Moi:  Come on guys. Give the PACMAN a break, the least that you can give him is credit. I have so much respect for PBF, his skills are amazes me but he is more of a boxer than a brawler. It's his skills what makes him Pretty Boy. Mayweather started his pro career at featherweight dudes and Manny on the other hand started his at 106 pounds...and putting that into account, he is indeed a big puncher than PBF, he still carries it at 135 pounds and the thing about this is that PBF may have the edge in terms of skills but for excitement...PACMAN is way way ahead than PBF
Monday Jul 7, 2008
LINDSAY:  YES MAYWEATHER IS THE BETTER BOXER, THE STRONGER PUNCHER AND THE BETTER POUND PER POUND FIGHTER BUT WAHT THE WRITER IS SAYING IS THAT MANNY PACQUIOA IS A GREAT AND HUMBLE FIGHTER WHO EVEN WITH A LACK IN TALENT TAKES ALL COMERS AND A FIGHTER COMING FROM 106 LBS WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT AT 135 LBS IS NOTHING TO SCUFF ABOUT BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY MAN WHO HAS DONE THAT IN OUR GENERATION. PACQUIAO IS GOING TO GET DOMINATED AND BEAQTEN TO A PULP BY ,AYWEATHER BYUT HE WILL STILL BE A BETTER CHAMPION DUE TO HIS HUMBLENESS AND THE WILLINGNESS TO GIVE HIS ALL EVEN WHEN OUTGUNNED.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
juanm:  Manny got lucky getting past Juan Manuel Marquez the last time around....Had he not knocked JMM down, I believe he would have lost that fight....Also, had JMM had more time in the 3rd when he wobbled Manny at the end of the round I believe Manny would have gone down and that would have evened things out....HOWEVER, Manny did get the nod and I'm ok with it, he is a great fighter. He fights everyone and ducks no one and he NEVER runs. He is always exciting to watch and he is a great ambassador to the sport of boxing....He also seems to be a really good guy....Combine all of these things and Boxing really does have a great P4P king....FINALLY!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
Filipino Flash:  lets put all the talk to rest and just have mayweather and pacquiao fight, that's what we all really want to see, everyone questions Mannny's opponents of ageing fighters of you know who, the same can be said for Floyd fighting fighters at the end of their careers and fighting fighters who naturally smaller the he or fighters having to lose weight just to get down to Floyd you know who I am talking about, so debate all you want, Floyd always talks about "money makes sense" well the put it where your mouth is and fight Manny cause he is the hottest ticket in boxing, and for the FACT Floyd like to talk about how he makes money PPV sales, well bull do your research all but de la hoya and hatton, what other fights of his made money thats right NONE, do the research for yourself, everyone does not hate mayweather-mayweather makes everone hate him, also to touch on another thing I like how people bring manny getting knocked out early in his career, and you all want to talk about p4p and all time greats but till this day Joe Louis, Ali, and Sugar Ray Robinson have all been knocked out, do your research before you start to critisize period, it really makes you mayweather fans look stupid...
Monday Jul 7, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::  don, listen to me, why do you ALWAYS copy off everything I say, man? You sound like a tape recorder: Days ago I first started posting comments saying "You can't stop mentioning me" and then you post the same thing. I posted "You, can't stop mentioning Floyd" and you posted the same thing about me and Cotto (Who I BARELY mention). Now I posted for Anony to marry you since he's the one saying that he likes you (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and now you come up with the same thing with Eastar, who I NEVER wrote a thing like: "I like Eastar" THE WAY ANONY WROTE ABOUT YOU LOL!!!!!! Dude, be original in your answers; don't copy off.....Oh well I guess you're not smart to make up original things.......To answer your question why I don't marry Eastar, well simple: BECAUSE I NEVER SAID I LIKE HIM, LIKE ANONY WROTE ABOUT YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! donputo69 -n- Anony XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!
Monday Jul 7, 2008
donputo69:  hahahahahahahahha...dumb is mad at me...yep..im talking to you easter egg.....now you mad because i agree with some of the true TSS writers?...lmfaoooooo...that was so funny...lmfaoooooooo...hahahahahahahaha....dumb is mad at me...lmfaoooo...what about you dumber?...i have no comments for you dumb@$$...hey mike lynch....you are the man...for putting this article on point....you have all these scareweather sissy fans crying like little girls....lmfaooooooooooo..aaawwwwww man.......holla back....lol lol lol........
Monday Jul 7, 2008
spiderman:  Some posters really don't know if a fighter is much too big for his weight category like Pacquiao who have outgrown 112 lbs.. To me, only JMM can match Manny. I don't know about Hatton because he is bigger. But styles makes fight and I can't see how Hatton can match or can hold Manny to land his vicious hook sor upper cuts to the ribs.
Monday Jul 7, 2008
dr greenthumb:  first of all...ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FLOYD or MANNY BEIN P4P KING is rubbish...for one particular reason..."MAYWEATHER ALREADY EFFIN RETIRED!!!" his status as number one p4p ended the moment he is said "NO" (which by the way wasn't that surprising) man...and who else could occupy da spot but pacman...and with the way i see it...he gonna stay there for a long time!!! can't wait for gayweather to go back there a hungry bunch of boxers are there to expose him...(cotto margarito)
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Boxing Bomb:  Stop your arguements what's important is that boxing still is exciting as ever because of figters like Margarito, Pacquiao, Cotto, Israel vazques, donaire etc. no more trash talks. What's common with all of us? we love the same sport BOXING!! whoever the no 1 P4P king does not matter :D
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
mucho:  mayweather yup one of the greatest but he is boring.. mayweather versus manny i think i would be mayweather by decision but he is a boring type of a fighter.... he looks like a oldschool heavyweight hehehehe
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
bluedragon:  Manny is P4P on the fact he goes inand slugs it out until its over Why watch a guy have to chase his opponent all over the ring for dont run scared punch it out and see whos best Lok at Mayweathers opponents He padded his record butwhen it came time to prove his big mouth he retired and ran outside the ring instead of running inthe ring Mayweather was pompous and a bore Many gives excitement every fight he steps into I dont see Mayweather stopping crime or fighting when he fights
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
big ben:  a young zab judah lost to an equally young david diaz...you mean he's a bum? i don't get it...he's a champion and a champion is not an easy feat....i tell you diaz is a great fighter..it's so happened that he met a guy named Pacquiao, who by the way is just an ordinary fighter...unlike Mayweather he's a classy fighter but he's so picky in terms of choosing an opponent that would looked him a lot better in terms of his skills and of corse , of financial aspect...
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Eastar:  The bottom line is: Mayweather vs. Wacquiao - Wacman gets ko'd. Money vs. Ricky Ricotto - Ricotto, and his non english speakin' ass, gets ko'd, Period. Floyd will never fight again but he will still be talked about for years to come as the greatest fighter of his time, and YOU can't deny it. Ali, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Tyson, Floyd "Money" Mayweather!!!!!.....And ranked # 255; Manny Wacquiao. Haha!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Itachi:  Nothing much to say but I go for Pacman. A good kid and with respect to others. For him everybody is equal with different unique skills and he respect every one of them.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
johnny yamat:  Guys lets stop all this why not ask Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao to square at the ring so that will see whose the best boxer? Em i right Mr weather ware your globes again dont leaved your mess...
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Onetwelve:  Papa Smurf, the greatness of a person comes out when he or she can rise above challenges and bounce back from setbacks and set records without being negatively affected by the past after learning from it. Many great people had several setbacks, failures and committed plenty of mistakes but learning from those experience, rising above it and braving the wind of challenges is what makes Manny great! and to add to that he has a good heart!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
choconatebar:  To Mr pain4profit... pardon me, sir, but I beg to disagree that the boxing world of fighters and fans is anxious to see a Mayweather -Cotto fight in 2009. With all due respect to Mr. Mayweather's fans... what else is to be expected of your P4P fluke? Mr. Mayweather will beat Cotto (no disrespect to the valiant ring warrior) the same way he beat the other true warriors of the sport -- by hitting quick and retreating even quicker. Who wants to see that??? Manny Pacquiao may have been less consistent in how convincing he won his fights (or lost them) the last year. But amid a wide array of fighting styles of his opponents, he fought them heart-out. FOUGHT THEM... and if it went to the judges, regardless of the outcome -- nobody took the fight out of Manny -- not even Juan Manuel Marquez. So, who cares about who Mayweather-Cotto in 2009? Cotto, of course with anyone else who'd trade punches. Pacquiao... MOST DEFINITELY YES!!! Ask Mike Tyson.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
el critico:  With of without Mayweather Pac-Man is the pound for pound king by a mile. Mayweather only makes the boxing unpopular by his gayly style of fighting. Pacquiao came to fight and not afraid to lose.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Stik & Move:  I'm not a Mayweather bandwagon rider, but it is what it is and that's Maywweather was the best pound 4 pound fighter before he retired. Do I think Cotto would have beaten him, YES! Do I think Paul Williams would have beaten him YES. Do I like how Mayweather carries himself out of the ring NO! He has forgotten that boxing made him a lot of money but instead he deals with MMA instead of help promoting young fighters and give them a break. No I'm not a fan of Mayweather. I just tell it like it really is. Mayweather is caught up in only making money like Delahoya instead of making real fights. This is what I'm saying about Pacquaio now. If we wanted to see Mayweather, Calzaghe and Cotto fight the best then why shouldn't we ask that of Pacquaio. All I have seen is Pacquaio make a living off of old over the hill fighters. David Diaz was the weak link of all the champions at 135. Just like Oscar when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez, Chavez at that time was over the hill and too old. But the real champion at that time was Kostya Tszyu. But Oscar didn't want to fight him. All I want to see is Pacquaio fight 1 of the guys that I mentioned and that is Guzman, Casamayor, Soto and Juan Diaz. I heard that Pacquaio might be fighting Edwin Valero. Valero is David Diaz twin brother. He is a southpaw and very very slow and gets hit a lot so I see the same thing happening. Valero has been fighting bums over in Argentina.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
romel banares:  come on guyzzzzz..... words have been said... negative or positive...... who cares.... just be truetful enough..... coz the real king of all is no one else but the pacman himself... HAIL THE KING...... MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS.... MABUHAY SI PACMAN!!!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Eastar:  Stik & Move, well said. Pacquiao's opponents are hand picked to make him look lke some type of destroyer. but if he fought any good fighter at even 135 lbs, he would get destroyed. I'm out! Holla!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Solo:  Eastar, actually the bottom line is that Mayweather retired and Pac Man is the crowned P4P king, like it or not. The bottom line isn't a point that you want to get across. It is supposed to be based on facts. You should now how it feels for your guy to be critisized as the P4P king, as Floyd was, and now you are just another one of those guys talking hate. If you wouold stop swinging on PBF's nuttz he would probably be faster and stronger than he was before :)
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
#1 pacfan:  Stik & Move you speak the truth but you still sound ridiculously nonsense. Every negative you say about Pacquaio is just twice as worse as it reflects on mayweather. You name all these fighters that can beat him but they have not made big name for themselves like the ones Pacquaio has fought over the years; and beaten them. Talking about over the hill fighters, who the heck has Floyd fought. Baldomir, Gatti, ODLH, those guys fell off the hill long time ago.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Onetwelve:  Papa Smurf, the greatness of a person comes out when he or she can rise above challenges and bounce back from setbacks and set records without being negatively affected by the past after learning from it. Many great people had several setbacks, failures and committed plenty of mistakes but learning from those experience, rising above it and braving the wind of challenges is what makes Manny great! and to add to that he has a good heart!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Isaiah:  Here we HO again. (No, I spelled it right.) Mayweather lovers riding their "MAN?" like the 2 dollar whores that 50 cent let him borrow. Bottom line is, Mayweather is irrelevant! He's retired and no longer applies, but you can bet yourself that I may as well try to continue to explain why PBF is a joke. First off, being undfeated isn't everything. Sugar Ray Robinson, a.k.a. "the best ever" lost something like 3 fights out of his first 119! Not to mention, Robinson fought the best for years and retired with over 200 wins, but I guess since he wasn't undefeated, Floyd's better? PLEASE!!! If gayweather fans want to say undefeated, is what counts, then Rocky Marciano's title reign was superb in comparision. Look it up. As Triumph the insult comic dog would say, yes, Mayweather is number 1 on the charts, oh yes, number 1... FOR ME TO GO NUMBER 2 ON!!! Yes Mayweather fans, beating Zab Judah after he lost the title with a total of 3 losses going into the mayweather fight, beating Arturo Gatti, 6 losses at the time, Carlos Baldomir, 9 LOSSES AT THE TIME!!! washed up Oscar de la hoya(barely) 4 losses at the time, undersized Ricky Hatton, etc... These kind of wins are not what should make an all time great. Anyway Pacman beats future hall of famers and is no doubt number 1 pound for pound and besides Pacman needed a breather with David Diaz, plus he was doing a new weight class. Give the man a break. I put Joe Calzaghe at number 2 based on a pretty solid career, being 45-0, and justifying this with his best wins over Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, and Bernard Hopkins.(barely, yeah I know, but a win's a win.) Now, who's got something to say to this? In other words, go ahead Mayweather lovers, bring your insanity to us rational people. I like a challenge.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
777:  Stik & Move has the I.Q. of a burnt potato. This lad is an agitator on every subject that he/she knows absolutely zero about. He/she needs to buzz off. Maybe his I.Q. is a bit more than a fly or maggot. Jeeezzzz!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
anthony:  Floyd Mayweather was a fake P4P king. I am so glad that he is gone. And all the people who believed him are weakminded people. He kept saying he was the king and the weakminded people believed him. Well because they were weakminded. Kind of like Star Wars LOL!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::  According to Isaiah, Floyd is a joke compared to Pacquiao because Floyd beat De la Hoya, Zab Judah and Arturo Gatti, and Pacquiao defeated future Hall of Famer and the bummest Lightweight today WOW!!!!!!! I guess De la Hoya, and Zab Judah are not future Hall of Famers huh? Let me ask something where are Morales and Barrera today: IN THEIR HOMES!!!! And where's De la Hoya: LOOKING FOR AN OPPONENT!!!!!! WOW You truly know your way in boxing very well AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way how many losses have Morales SIX. Now don't get me wrong. El Terrible was a great, great fighter, but Oscar was and IS better. And again like I said a Gazillion times: Floyd fought Baldomir, just because he beat Zab Judah, but Baldomir wasn't in Floyd's plans. If you're a fighter and you're gonna fight an opponent, but somebody beats him first, (NO MATTER WHO IT IS AND HOW MANY LOSSES), you gotta fight the winner of that fight. That's what Floyd did; he fought Judah AND Baldomir who was a title holder. But Baldomir originally was not in Floyd's plans. And Sugar Ray Robinson wasn't undefeated, of course not!!!! The man fought almost every two weeks!!! DAMN!! Who's gonna be undefeated in those conditions, pal? If he would've been managed properly and took some time off and rest his body, THEN no doubt: UNDEFEATED. I rest my case.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Asian P4P King:  Manny can fight Floyd at 135 or 140 lbs only,if floyd is willing to do that? Knowing that Pacman started his pro career at 106 lbs (light flyweight), it will be a big stretch for Manny if he'll fight floyd at 147 lbs....I believe it will be a good fight if it happen.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
mike:  Amen, Manny Pacquiao. It will take another 20 years to see fighter fight like Pacquiao.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and Move: 1. The weakest LW champ is Yusuke Kobori, not Diaz. 2. You say you'd like to see a Soto fight but not a Valero one? Compare their resumes at 130: Soto: NC 3 Solis, KO 3 Toledo, KO 3 Chavez, KO 3 Valle Valero: KO 10 Mosquera...'nuff said. Edwin has the superior resume. I'm not counting the Guzman fight, as Soto lost decisively. I'm also not counting that Lorenzo...whatever the hell that was...against Humberto.:) 2. You say that Pac has made his name off of old, faded Mexicans. Then, you say that you'd like to see Pac/Casa. Joel is older than any of the Mexicans Pac has fought, and he's been through a ton of wars. Aside from his extensive amateur career in Cuba, he's fought: Freitas, Corrales 3 times, Castillo, Katsidis. Then, you bring up Joan Guzman. Guzman's already 32--older than JMM when Pac first fought him. Also, Guzman/Barrios was a war and much more violent than anything JMM had been through before the first Pac figbht. And, again, if Pac is "scared" of Soto, then he wasn't "scared" of JMM, right? Oh, and I almost forgot: Barrera was in his prime in 2003. Look at his next four fights after Pac: Destruction of Ayala, defeat of Morales in another classic, destruction of Fana, decisive win over Peden. And before you play the "Barrera was distracted for the first Pac fight" card, keep this in mind: Marco had a rematch clause in case he lost that fight. If that beating was a fluke, why didn't Marco do what Lewis did with Hasim Rahman--exercise that rematch clause and show whom the better man really was? Nope; he took a fight with Paulie Ayala instead. He didn't fight Pac again until the end of his career, and he fought that fight basically to survive. And the only reason that Pac fought such an "old" Marquez the second time was because JMM priced himself out of the rematch after the first fight.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Pedroza:  Oh, Stik and Move: Forgot to include KO 7 Bobby Pac in Soto's 130 resume, but it doesn't change my assessment that Valero's win over Mosquera is superior to anything Soto's done at that weight (in terms of whom he's beaten, that is). Valero's last four opponents haven't been good at all, but neither have Valle, Toledo, Chavez, Bobby Pacquiao and Urias for Soto.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Dave T in SD:  Hats off to Mr. Lynch!! You sure did get the responses!! Nice article by the way...
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Pedroza:  Stick and Move, I forgot to dispute one other point--Tszyu's being the "real champ" at 140 when DLH fought JCC. If you'd like to bash Oscar for having fought M.A. Gonzalez instead of Tszyu, that's fine, but JCC was the reigning 140 champ, though he was past-prime. Also, Tszyu blew a DLH fight at 147 (much talked about) when he was KO'd by Phillips in 97. Not a big Oscar fan, but I can't criticize him for having elected to fight JCC at 140. 130 and 135 (his comp there) is a different story.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Pedroza:  To "Floyd Mayweather is the Legend" Zab Judah's a Hall of Famer? LOL! And you talk about Barrera and Morales "being in their homes"? First off, Barrera's scheduled to fight Humberto on Sept. 16 in Mexico City. Second, where's Arturo Gatti? Finally, Robinson's losses (for the most part) occurred when he was well past-prime, not because of his scheduling. His first 130 fights included a single loss to all-time great Jake "Raging Bull". Ray avenged that close loss FIVE times, including the "ST. Valentine's Day Massacre" in 1951. Finally, regarding Mayweather/Baldomir, I don't have a beef that Floyd fought Baldomir. I have a beef that he didn't fight Margarito, Williams, etc. He turned down $8 million to fight Margarito. Sharmba Mitchell? Maybe Carlos wasn't in Floyd's plans, but Sharmba sure was, and Mitchell was a past-prime fighter fighting above his natural weight (140). And please don't tell me that Gatti's a Hall of Famer.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Anony:  FLOYD IS THE LEGEND"::: Isaiah is taking you to boxing school dude. Please drop yur arguments here, you make every regular TSS readers feel ashame of you who once in a while write some decent comments (when not writing of Floyd's supposed "greatness"). So please don't embarras yourself more. QUIT FLOYD'S COMMENTS. He is not a legend and never will be. He didn't gain the respect of fans or boxing commentators because of his all safe no offensive fights... THAT'S IT! PERIOD! Man, the guy is BORING AND A TRASH MOUTH! Look at the way he is taking on Oscar and HBO who dedicated him the 24/7 segment and pass it over for 15 days+. What else could he ask from HBO???? There's no other fighter that have had the exposure HBO gave to him. And what about the insults to Oscar??? The man that made him RICH and gave him the beloved exposure he brags about now? WOW... after the "better than Sugar Ray Robinson" comment I thought he couldn't go lower than that. What a rich egocentric maniac sorry ass. He gives bad spine to others black fighters who, as every other ethnic fighter, wants recognition. And what about Winky doing chorus?... another boring style fighter. Those two hurts the sport AND TRULY ARE RACIAL ON THEIR COMMENTS. That's why HBO commentators don't care about them. They were WORKING FIRST ROW IN EVERY MAJOR FLOYD'S FIGHT WAITING FOR FOR HIM TO FIGHT AND PROVE SOMETHING BUT EVERYTIME THEY SAW THE SAME BS... FLOYD TAKING COVER AND WAITING FOR A HOLE. THAT"S BORING!!!! I hate those high profile racial comments. If someday the world overcomes that stupid frame of mind it will be because people stop bringing it over. We are in the 21st century for Christ sake people. In boxing there is no better man than the last one standing in the canvas. And those guys have names and records that talks beyond their skin color. In Puerto Rico you don't see "black guy or white guy" stupid arguments. We feel equal and that's it, nothing else to be talk about it. Something I feel very proud about. It comes to mind that Hopkin's racial comment on Calzaghe... what a shame. I truly hope black fighters condemed this.. it is a shame to this century history. STAND AND FIGHT THE BEST SO YOU CAN GAIN THE RESPECT MAYWEATHER. UNTIL THEN, PLEASE DON'T EMBARRAS THE NAME OF BOXING.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
donputo69:  AMEN ANONY.......
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::  He took me where??? You didn't read my comments, did you? It's obvious. You just see the name FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!! , and start writing things without reading my comments. I never agreed he's better than Robinson, WHERE DID I WROTE THAT????? Do me a favor read my comments first, THEN we can talk....by the way more ashame than me, you must be: "I like don, me makes me laugh XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man I don't need any of these TSS readers to discuss boxing like you two. See ya.
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
floyd dad:  People only watch my sons match coz they wanna see him go down and kiss the canvass. thats all
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
floyd dad:  FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::: "Man I don't need any of these TSS readers to discuss boxing like you two" Man u urself is a TSS reader. are u talking to urself?
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
donputo69:  There goes NOT SO LEGEND AGAIN saying my name....hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......yo,,,,,give me your address so i can send you a picture of mine.....lmfaooooooooooo......you starting to sound more like scareweather now....A WHOLE BUNCH OF B.S EXCUSES.....lmfaoooooooooooooo.....holla back ladies.....
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::::  Yeah, but I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Anony. But since you and Anony are SO together it's impossible for me to talk to him, without mentioning you LOL!!!!! You two can't be mentioned without one another HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides I was quoting him HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was quoting the poem he recite to you HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why you wanna send me pics of you???????? You already tired of Anony so soon??? Better get a profesional to help out in your relationship HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Jul 8, 2008
Stik & Move:  Why does race have to get into this, if you want to get into race then lets do it.! First of all I have respect for all fighters no matter what color they are but you guys are acting like 3rd grade kids. Now Anony & Pedroza. I don't know what color you are but I'm almost sure that most of the people that's making these comments are filipino's. Because you guys only see that Pacquiao has won some fights and you have legally classifed him as the KING of boxing.Plus he's one of you guys.. I know to filipino's he's your savior. Because you guys have no other good fighters. Why don't you guys mention Ray Bautista, Gerry Penalosa, Bobby Pacquiao, Nonito(who I think is a very good fighter) & Glen Donaire. Now you have this bum Bernabe Concepcion who Bob Arum is trying to convince you guys that he is the next Pacquiao. I understand why you guys praise Pacquiao, because you guys have never had a fighter win anything. Where have all your fighters gone. Remember this, once Pacquiao gets knocked out all the filipinos will stop watching boxing. You will stay away. Pedroza, you are not even making any sense with your so called comparisons. Just face it. Humberto Soto, Joan Guzman, Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz will all beat Pacquiao and you guys don't want to see him fight any of these guys because they all have skills. Are you dragging Mayweather in the mud because he is black, do you really know what it mean to have skills? I'm really puzzled by most of you guys comments. Sounds just like some ignorant kids! Who only is going for a fighter because of the color of his skin rather then look at him for what skills he has. I know your parents taught you to hate but in my gym you would have to leave with the stupid thoughts you guys have. I have no problem with them saying Pacquiao is the pound 4 pound King but I would argue that Cotto & Calzaghe could be mentioned in that as well.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::  floyd dad, I know I'm a TSS reader. What I meant to say was that I don't need any OTHER TSS reader to discuss boxing with anybody here like Anony and donputo69, that they can't write stuff without feeling each other. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and move: 1. I'm not Filipino. I'm white. 2. My comparisons make no sense. Let me spell it out for you: You (on the one hand) say that Pac's just beating old Mexicans. Then, you bring up Joel Casamayor, who's older than any of those Mexicans, and he's had quite a few wars, not to mention his extensive amateur career (2 Olympics). Clear on that comparison, now? Let's move to Guzman. Again, you say that Pac is making a name for himself fighting old, faded Mexicans. Now, Guzman is older than JMM was in 2004, and his war with Barrios is more violent than anything JMM was in before the 1st Pac fight. Get my point now? As for Soto, please tell me why his resume is superior to Valero's at 130. You say that Soto will beat Pacquiao--based on what? Certainly not whom he's beaten at that weight. I'll repeat his resume of opponents he's DEFEATED at 130: Carlos Urias, Humberto Toledo, Ivan Valle, Bobby Pacquiao, Ismael Gonzalez. Edwin Valero's KO of Mosquera is superior to any of Soto's victories at 130. 3. For the record, I have Calzaghe #1 P4P. 4. As for your statement that the Philippines hasn't produced great fighters, how about Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde? 5. Some of the fighters you say the Filipinos should root for aren't even that good. Bautista got torched in 1 by Ponce De Leon, and Bobby Pacquiao...are you frigging kidding me? Finally, A.J. Banal and not Concepcion is considered the Philippines' best prospect.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Easter, Pacquiao is 5'6", not 5'3". Take a look at HBO's "tale of the tape" during Pacquiao fights. JMM is 5'7"; is Pac 4 inches shorter than JMM?
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
ISAIAH RETURNS!!!:  First of all, let's all make sure Eastar and Mayweather is the legend don't get the last words in. You know, when they have time to lift their heads up from going down on eachother and taking turns getting reamed by Gayweather. But anyway, back to actual boxing talk. At least donputo69 and Anony know the facts. Yes, Arturo Gatti got beat down by Mayweather, but his trilogy with Micky Ward is a millon times more exciting than all of Mayweather's fights combined. ( That includes any he may have when he unretires to, Mayweather lovers.) How is Zab Judah a future of hall of famer? We're not talking about Evander Holyfield here! Zab Judah lost to every elite opponent he ever fought.( yes including Mayweather...) Zab Judah went down twice from one punch by Kotsya Tzu. HOW DO YOU FALL TWICE FROM THE SAME PUNCH? !! Did Judah's brain go, did that really hurt that bad? (Judah tries to stand up) Yeah, it did. ( Falls to the canvas again.):0 But, of course Judah should go into the hall of fame, as much as Mayweather is the best fighter ever, or as stable as his relationship with his dad is. I might expect laughter, but it's a joke without a punchline. I would consider Oscar de la Hoya a borderline hall of famer, hard to say, but he'll get in if only because, well, it's Oscar. That sums it up right there. Mayweather is a legend, really? Maybe in Eastar's bedroom. Hey you all, I've sparred in the gym before and won more fights than I lost, maybe I'm a legend to. WHAT? I can't fight bums all the time and be popular, why not? It worked for a lost to a 52 year old Larry Holmes, Blubberbean, I mean Butterbean. Ok, everybody in this room, if you ever won a fight in your life, your're a legend. Well, that's almost everybody, except for 2 names I can think of... HA!!! If all goes well, Pacman can keep winning against ELITE opponents for about maybe 5 or 6 more years and give us a reason to respect the Pound for Pound King. Pretenders, you don't want noone. Not that I'm talking about any specific Money Pretty Boys. Prime Sugar Ray Robinson, prime Sugar Ray Leonard, ( yeah I remeber that dissrespect Mayweather showed to Leonard.) These guys would have had Mayweather carried out on a stretcher. Probaly Roberto Duran too or even little Willie Pep. Ha, Ha! Man, if Leonard was around 20 years younger, this undefeated crap talk would be over real quick. In the meantime Miguel Cotto will (probaly?) beat Antonio Margirito and remind what a champion is supposed to, ( won't be official until he get's the ring magazine title though) and why the welterweights are still the best division in boxing. NEXT RESPONSE PLEASE, PREFERABLY SOMEONE WITH SOME INTELLIGENCE, NOT THAT I'M MENTIONING ANY NAMES...
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Anony:  Stik & Move : FIRST: I guess you haven't read what Mayweather said in Grand Rapids about race, HBO and Oscar. Please inform yourself better and you will understand the RACE comment. SECOND: I'm puertorican so your hate comments against Filipinos doesn't apply to me, it shows you haven't read my comments well before arguing over it. In this forum you need to read well before doing a comment or people will kill you. Just a hint. THIRD: Where the F you came from? We were doing fine with the amount of blog fighters we already have. So before you become a regular you need to pass initiation. GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let's inaugurate Stik & Move!!!!!!!! Who wants to have his a$$ first??? hehehehe
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::  Isaiah, then that means that even Floyd defeats the ENTIRE UNIVERSE you never going to give him credit because he's not exciting. Is that what you're saying? Then I don't have anything more to say. To give credit to Arturo Gatti more than Floyd, puts you away from people "WITH SOME INTELLIGENCE". You should've ended your comment with: NEXT RESPONSE PLEASE, PREFERABLY SOMEONE WITH SOME INTELLIGENCE, NOT THAT I'M ONE OF THEM... I don't give a crap about Eastar, or whoever. Pacman beating the ELITE????????????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You saying David "G.I. Joe" Diaz was an elite??? LOL!!!!!!! Please. And about Leonard and Robinson; I agree not Robinson, but Floyd would've beaten Leonard real bad. THAT I don't have doubts. And what does Butterbean, or even Larry Holmes fit in this?????????? Dude, stop smoking, for real. And it's not that Floyd has more wins than losses. Floyd is UNDEFEATED....unlike Leonard.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::  And by the way, I NEVER mentioned Eastar in my comment, nor I need any help from nobody to discuss boxing like Anony and donputo69 need each other LOL!!!!!!!. Don't worry Isaiah, I know you need company too. Your man is coming soon HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just have to be patient and wait your sweet prince is coming soon HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Eastar:  you guys are calling Pacquaio exciting but what is exciting to one person may not be so exciting to another person. The topic of who's fights are more exciting is subjective, so how could Wacman be p4p best for how "exciting his fights are? I can't sit through an entire Pacquiao fight since the first Marquez fight. How can you knock a man down three times- in the first round- but only come up with a draw? That showed me Wacman is not all that his promoters, and ( easily entertained ) fans. This site is called The Sweet Science is it not. Well Floyd "Money " Mayweather is the Physical embodyment of that term. And THAT is excitement!!!! Holla.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Eastar:  you guys are calling Pacquaio exciting but what is exciting to one person may not be so exciting to another person. The topic of who's fights are more exciting is subjective, so how could Wacman be p4p best for how "exciting" his fights are? I can't sit through an entire Pacquiao fight since the first Marquez fight. How can you knock a man down three times- in the first round- but only come up with a draw? That showed me Wacman is not all that his promoters, and ( easily entertained ) fans want him to be. This site is called The Sweet Science is it not. Well Floyd "Money " Mayweather is the Physical embodyment of that term. And THAT is excitement!!!! Holla.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
#1 pacfan:  I'm filipino and the first time I really got into boxing was when I saw Dela Hoya and he became my favorite boxer. Then I watched an undercard with Pacman in it and I was like ooohh. How can you say that Pacquaio just winning couple fights he gets praised. Please he was in a long stretch of non stop action fights for about more than years. Mayweather is a disgrace to boxing and should be in the hall of fame.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Asian P4P King:  bottum line is,Pacman has the talent plus the charisma and his fist is his mouth and his toe-to-toe punches swooosh-up and most importantly,he is not afraid to lose to the best in his division.....speaking of swooosh,how come Nike decided to hire a boxer (for the first time) to endorse their prods? i hope Floyd will be considered next time,"next to Pacquiao",HAH! (lol) but Floyd is a good dancer though.he can endorse a dancing shoe company in the future,yah know. (lol) Pacman Just Do It ! the pride of the Filipinos.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::::  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEY EVERYONE, CHECK WHAT #1 pacfan SAID!!!!: "Mayweather is a disgrace to boxing and should be in the hall of fame." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Floyd is a disgrace but he should be at the Hall of Fame?????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pacfan, that was DEEP. He's a disgrace but he's a future Hall of Famer. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, these Pacfans are doing nothing but a tremendous comedy show. And a good one too. Floyd Mayweather jr, a disgracedful Hall of Famer HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Easter, How you so conveniently forget that the only reason the 1st Pac/JMM fight was a draw was because, to quote Judge Bert Clements, "I screwed up." That had to do with his erroneous belief that the NSAC did not want 10-6 rounds scored. To Floyd Mayweather is the Legend: Do you think that Marciano would have defeated prime Ali? Prime Louis? Prime Foreman? Prime Holmes? I mean, you must have Marciano ranked as the greatest heavy of all time, because, you know, he was undefeated! To further decimate your illogical claim, you say that Floyd would have defeated SRL because Floyd was undefeated, and SRL wasn't. Then, you say that you don't know if Floyd would have defeated SRR. Problem: SRR wasn't undefeated, either!:) Att 130 pounds, one could argue plausibly that Floyd is the greatest of all-time. Your comment that Floyd would have defeated SRL because Floyd was, unlike SRL, undefeated, really diminishes your credibility. BTW, I think that Floyd is a great fighter. Let me try this one to illustrate my point: At 122 pounds, former IBF champ Ji Won Kim retired undefeated. Marco Antonio Barrera lost twice to Junior Jones and once to Erik Morales at 122. Thus, you'd favor Kim, right? I mean, Kim was undefeated at 122, and Barrera wasn't! Israel Vazquez isn't undefeated at 122. You'd favor Kim over him then, right? I mean, Kim retired undefeated! Are you getting the point that the argument you made isn't too solid?
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::::  There's a difference between being a good fighter and publicity. If Ji Won Kim was better than Morales or Barrera is not known. However the Mexican fighters have the luxury of saying they're better because they have more publicity, thus they have more credibility.......... And Floyd would've defeated Leonard because of SKILLS. SKILLS win fights. Leonard was a very skilled fighter, but Floyd is MORE skilled. Plus, a lot of fights Leonard won, was because of mind games. He beat his opponents mentally playing mind games, and Floyd is a very tough mentality in and outside the ring. And about Marciano beating Ali, Foreman, Holmes, and all the other Heavyweights, yes. I believe he would've beaten them all.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Floyd Mayweather is the Legend, Once again, your argument is illogical. What does publicity have to do with anything? Ask ringside experts who would've won a fight between prime Jung-Koo Chang and Chiquita Gonazalez. Now, Chiquita's more well-known, and he beat a past-prime Chang, but a prime Chang probably was the greatest 108-pounder of all-time. As for "Leonard would have been beaten on skills", what skills? Zab Judah (before he fell asleep) was winning against Mayweather through four rounds. Ray's got the same type of speed, the same type (if not better) power, and Ray wasn't a mental case. He didn't fall asleep. What other performance leads us to believe (from Floyd) that he'd have beaten SRL at 147? Mitchell? Hatton? Baldomir? And no, we don't know exactly how good Floyd was/is at 147 because he didn't fight the top fighters there. Ricky Hatton was not a top 147 fighter. Mitchell....LOL! Baldomir and Judah...Zab's having lost to Carlos us shows us just how weak Judah was at that weight in terms of quality. Le's try this one: Tito Trinidad was unbeaten at welterweight. He beeats Leonard, right? Or how about this one: (in case you come back with the "but Tito lost later" card): Sven Ottke and RJJ were both unbeaten at 168, but RJJ lost later, so RJJ would've lost to Ottke. Oh, as for Floyd's being mentally t tough, so was Roberto Duran...or so we thought.:) So what if Leonard won with "mind games". Floyd hasn't even faced anyone (certainly not at welter) as good as Duran, Benitez and Hearns. For verification of this, just think about Judah (Floyd's best opponent so far at 147) vs. any of those fighters. And that's not even including Leonard's wins over Kalule and Hagler at higher weights. And no, a past-prime Oscar wasn't as good as a prime Kalule. Hell, I don't even think the Oscar of, say, the Vargas fight would've beaten prime Kalule; Ayub was too slick.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Some other fun examples of undefeated fighters and how they'd have faired against greats in a division who lost, based on your reasoning: Terry Marsh would have defeeated J.C. Chavez at 140. Marsh retired as undefeated champion! Paul Spadafora would have defeated Purnell Whitaker at lightweight. Whitaker "lost" (LOL!) to J.L. Ramirez; Spadafora was undefeated! Miguel Angel Gonzalez would have defeated Carlos Ortiz at lightweight. Miguel never lost; made 10 or 11 title defenses; Ortiz lost to Laguna and Teo Cruz! And there's plenty of film available on M.A.'s title reign; the closest he came to losing was against Lamar Murphy, a fight which he won, though not by the ridiculous margin of 119-109 as scored by one of the judges I like this game!:)
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
donputo69:  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!NOW WE HAVE A NEW RULE IN THE TSS NATION....GENTLEMAN....PLEASE DO NOT AGREE WITH EACH OTHERS...LMFAOOOOOOOOOO.....AS PER"SCAREWEATHER THE NOT SO LEGEND"..LMFAOOOOOOOOO...I MEAN...WE CANT AGREE WITH NOBODY?...LOL..YO ANONY...WHAT EVER YOU SAY IM NOT GONNA AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU...SORRY TO TELL YOU THAT...LMFAOOOOOOOOOO..DUMB AND DUMBER AKA EASTER BUNNY AND NOT SO LEGEND MADE UP THIS RULE...MUUAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......JULY 26...COTTO VS MARGO....I'LL BE THERE WITH MY FELLAS BORIQUAS BORRACHO.....WHATS GOOD ANONY.......VAMOS PARA LAS VEGAS A VER LA PELEA DEL ANO....HOLLA BACK PUKES.....
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pete Sterward:  Apples & Oranges PEOPLE! Mayweather is a MASTER and Pacquiao is a MONSTER May weather’s skill and talent are out of this world he SHUTS DOWN! Everyone he fights with superior speed and skill. Manny the complete opposite. He SHOOTS DOWN! Everyone he fights superior speed and power. It comes down to what you preffer, MAYWEATHER'S SCIENCE or MANNY'S VIOLENCE. It’s real easy be a Julio Cesar Chavez or Pacman Fan but takes a REAL Lover of the sweet science to sit back and appreciate the other worldly skill of SweetPea Whitaker or Money Mayweather. And remember Manny DID NOT Take the P4P CROWN from Mayweather. Money left it on throne Bored Bored Bored . But still UNDEFEATED UNBEATEN and PHILTHY RICH! Who else can say that? Mike Lynch! I love Pac too. Who doesn't ? But I wouldn’t get to comfortable with Manny as #1 because his HighVolume Power Punching style like Joe Frazier isn't going to last too much longer. They tend to burn out around age 30 or so. Manny's 29. Marciano beating Ali & the other All time Great Heavies ROFL! Funniest comment I've heard all month.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
stik & move:  Pedroza Whatever color you are doesn't matter to me. If you read what I said most of the guys that's on here making these lame statements are filipino's. But all I'm saying is that as soon as Pacquiao fights 1 of the guys that I mentioned before you will see the same NO SKILL FIGHTER that I have been talking about. Now to answer ur previous comment. 1. The difference between Casamayor and he has much better skills then any of those Mexican fighters that you are talking about. I have never seen Casamayor knocked out. He beat hard punching Diego Corrales 2 of the 3 fights they had. He has called out Pacquiao out numerous of times. Corrales would have KO'd Manny with the greatest of ease GUARANTEED! 2. Now to Guzman, he of all the fighters that I have talked about is the one that I know would KO Pacquiao easily, not beat him KO him. If you watch that fight again with Barrios that wasn't a war it was a 1 sided fight. Guzman's speed and defense would KILL Manny. The key what all you guys are overlooking is the skill factor. 3. Here's sidenote for you. If you remember when Julio C. Chavez was pound 4 pound king, he got dominated by Frankie Randall. Why? Because Randall had very good skills. Randall made him quite the 2nd time. Skills are special and you guys over look skills. You guys are the same guys that would watch MMA as well huh. 4.As far as Soto goes, Valero has beaten most of the fighters in Argentina and is not even known in the U.S. Soto has fought a lot in the U.S. and people do know of him. Of course Valero's record is better because he hasn't lost but if you guys thought Manny could beat Soto you would want him to fight Soto but I have noticed you NONE of you guys have said that you he would beat any of these guys. 5. Lets not forget about Campbell, he kicked the crap out of Juan Diaz who is young and lets see Pacquiao get in the ring with him. And for that girl Anony, I would love to see you challenge me in boxing..You don't have a clue about this game. All you do is talk with your cronies and say stupid remarks. If TSS is your website then kick me off. I can comment on stupidity anytime I feel. And I'm always going t correct stupid comments like the ones you make. I read the article on Floyd Mayweather, IF you read my comments you would have read that I'm not a supporter of how Mayweather carries himself out the ring but I'm not going to take his boxing skills away. The guy has GREATboxing skills. Anony if any of you guys want to try and test me then go ahead because I feel like ripping up someone anyways
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!::::::  Hey don, I don't have a problem. Fine, agree with anybody you can and you damn well please......HOWEVER (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), I guess what you tried to say was: "Vamos para las Vegas a ver la pelea del aÑo" AÑO is not the same as ANO. ANO means ANUS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! So, you're inviting Anony to an ANUS fight?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fine, me and the rest of the gang we're gonna see Margarito KILL Cotto, and you and Anony can see the ANUS fight LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So....HAVE FUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and Movea: 1. Guzman will KO Manny. LOL! First off, Guzman hasn't scored a KO since his days at 122. He couldn't KO Jandaeng (unlike JMM, BTW), but he can KO Manny. He couldn't KO Joe Morales, but he can KO Manny? He couldn't KO Fernando Beltran, but he can KO Manny? He couldn't KO Barrios, but he could KO Manny? He couldn't KO Antonio friggin' Davis, but he could KO Manny? And my point was that you say that Pac has made his name facing old, faded Mexicans, but Guzman is older now than he was in 2004 (JMM was, that is) when he faced Pac, and JMM hadn't been through a fight like the Barrios fight. 2. The Barrios fight was not one-sided. I had it 115-112 (7-5). Want a round-by-round? Guzman: hasn't scored a KO in 4 years...just wanted to say that again.:) 3. Valero's fought most of his fights in Argentina...well, he's fought in the U.S. (until his medical suspension), Japan, France, Venezuela, Panama and Mexico. So what? Your argument that Soto has fought in the U.S., so that means he's better is illogical. I'll ask this again: Here are their respective resumes (of opponents they've DEFEATED, that is--losses don't count) at 130: Soto: Ivan Valle, Humberto Toledo, Ismael Gonzalez, Bobby Pacquiao, Carlos Urias. Valero: Mosquera...enough said. That win has more value to it than any of Soto's. Also, your statement that "I don't hear Pac fans calling for a Soto fight" (a paraphrase) jumps to a conclusion that Pac fans want him to have easy fights and that they view Edwin as an easier fight. Not true. Again, what has Soto DONE (and not where he has fought--but what has he DONE) to merit a Pac fight more than Valero? Which VICTORY of Soto at 130 is superior to the Mosquera win? 4. You're confusing skills and chin (regarding Casamayor). Joel's a skilled fighter, but his not having been KO'd has a lot to do with his having one hell of a chin. Let me give you an example so that you can understand: Juan LaPorte (at 126 and 130) went the distance with the following: Sal Sanchez, Eusebio Pedroza, Barry McGuigan, Wilfredo Gomez, J.C. Chavez, Azumah Nelson, Charles Murray). He also KO'd Rocky Lockridge, a hell of a puncher. Juan wasn't even down in any of these fights. He wasn't KO'd until a corner retirement in a 140-pound title fight with Zack Padilla in 94. Now, Barrera was KO'd by Pacquiao. Are you going to tell me that Juan has more skills (had, actually) than MAB because MAB was KO'd at feather while Juan wasn't? That, of course, is ridoiculous; LaPorte just had one of the best jaws ever. As for Corrales's KO'ing Pac easily, keep in mind that Diego had weight problems at 130, and fighters like Gary St. Claire and John Brown took him the distance. Just some food for thought. Oh, since you bring up fighters who haven't been knocked out to support your claim that Casa is more skilled than all of the Mexicans Pac's beaten, has JMM ever been knocked out? 6. What does Chavez/Randall have to do with this discussion? First off, it wasn't skill that beat Chavez in the 1st fight. It was Richard Steele, who deducted two points from Chavez for low blows. Sans those deductions, Julio would've won the fight. Also, that was a past-prime Chavez. (Just look at his fight with Holligan prior to Randall I.) Also, Chavez won the rematch. My only point about Chavez was that he and not Tszyu was the champ at 140 when Oscar elected to move there.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Oh, Stik and Move: To correct you, Valero's fought once in Argentina against Hernan Valenzuela. The country he's fought the most in is Venezuela--9 of his 24 fights. Also, you bring up Campbell as another opponent you'd like Pac to fight. He's 36; what about that age thing? Thought Pac was making a name against old fighters. Campbell is older than any of them when they fought Pac, and he (unlike Casa) has been KO'd--by Robbie Peden.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Pedroza:  Slight correction: Valero's fought 11 times in Venezuela, not 9, but having 11/24 of your fights in one country does not equal having most of your fights in said country. And keep in mind that Valero fought in the U.S. until his suspension by the NYSAC--a medical suspension.
Wednesday Jul 9, 2008
Isaiah:  I'm not sure when Pacman had the rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera, but I think it was the fight right before Pacman's rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez. I think we can all agree also that Barrera did much better in the rematch with Pacman. My point is, with 2 very demanding fights in a row like that and moving up a weightclass, and him still taking on a belt holder at the time in David Diaz, can anyone explain to me why Pacman would not be worthy to be the Pound for Pound King?! If not, then what?!! Do you think he should ressurect some dead all time greats and kill them again before a few idiots will accept him as the best? Can a man not have a little bit of a breather? Diaz was still a title holder and it was still a new weight class. All in all a very good perfomance. SHEESH, he's still human. Mayweather sure as heck didn't beat the best all the time. My top ten list is as follows, #1 Manny Pacquiao, #2 Joe Calzaghe, #3 Izrael Vazquez, #4 Miguel Cotto, #5 Kelly Pavlik, #6 Bernard Hopkins, #7 Juan Manuel Marquez, #8 Ricky Hatton, #9 Cristian Mijares, #10 Shane Mosley. I think it's a solid top ten. How come in a cage, a lot of the time, a guy will go down from one punch, but in a boxing ring, the third fight between Izrael Vazquez and Rafael Marquez is a good example, Marquez can survive the 12th round with Vazquez after brutal punishment and still make it to the end of the fight? Yes, I know Marquez held himself up on the ropes near the end, but the performance was still way more than any of us had a right to expect in this beautiful brutality. In a cage match, when a guy is on the ground, they either submit right away or grope eachother for what seems like forever. The sweetscience has been referred to as a game many times before. THIS GAME IS NO GAME!!!!!! How about the mainstream media reliaze boxing is something to behold, not to treat like a disease. I hear it wasn't always this way. If this is a sign of the times... we're all in trouble. If boxing ever does die out, ( which I seriously doubt, it's been through a lot and is still very healthy ) life would be so much more boring. Interest in other social activities only carry you so far. What's your all's thoughts on this?
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza: I see what you are trying to say however you are not getting the point. First of all once again. Yes Guzman would KO Manny easily without a doubt. Just because Guzman hasn't KO'd a fighter means nothing when he goes up against the weak chin of Pacquiao, remember even through the dominance that Pacquiao had over Diaz, he said that Diaz hurt him. Wow! Go to Youtube and you will see the fight where Pacquiao got laid out. KO'd. Do you understand the meaning of styles makes fight? Let me explain it to you. Guys like Diaz and Valero are taylor made for Pacquiao because they have no skills. When guys like Guzman, Campbell, Casamayor all have GREAT skills which you are very fearful of, that's why you don't want to see him fight them. Lets call it as it is. You keep comparing Guzman to JMM. Why? It doesn't make any sense. JMM lost to Freddie Norwood before he lost to Pacquiao the first time. Like I said before styles makes fights. Have you forgotten that Zahir Raheem beat Erik Morales before Pacquiao did. And remember Pacquiao lost to Morales the first fight by UD, not controversial. Now on Casamayor once again and I don't see why you can't understand skills. Casamayor might be the greatest Cuban fighter ever. He has GREAT skills and he has a great chin to go with his skills. He's a GREAT technical boxer if you understand that. For example. when Diego knocked him down it wasn't his chin that kept him in the fight it was his ability to slip and move and pivot around Corrales. There's no confusion between skills and chin for me maybe with you but not for me. I know the difference. I'm not even going to comment on the Juan Laporte analogy because that doesn't make any sense. Laporte was known to have a very good chin and he was a very good puncher. Also the PPV buys for your pound 4 pound King was under 200,000 buys which was very disappointing. Why? Because no one really wanted to see that fight because Pacquiao was fighting bums. He's the new Marciano. Where to make Marciano look good they had him fight his brother and his brother changed his name. Watch out Manny might be fighting Bobby very soon. You are basing Manny on 2 controversial wins against JMM. To eaches own. One more time. If Pacquiao fights Casamayor who is considered the Linear champion, Campbell who is one of the champions, Guzman who is an excellent fighter, Soto who should get a chance against Pacquiao and Juan Diaz.. I ask you this question. I know you are a big fan of Pacquiao, so why is it that they were talking about fighting bum Julio Diaz but yet they would mention any of the fighters that I have mentioned? Because they are trying to milk you guys for all the money they can before he is totally exposed!! Julio Diaz GET REAL!! Now you will tell me that Julio is GREAT and that he deserves a fight before the guys I mentioned. Okay Pedroza..Once again Lets get real
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Anony:  Stik and move and.......... shut up dude. You write too much and it is difficult and boring to keep up with you. Shorten your comments and try to be precise is my advise. You and Floyd is the Legend should be banned from boxing for a year. I will talk to the commission about it.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Stik & Move:  Anony..are you that girl who is talking to me. Of course you would tell me to shut up.Just like a little girl. If I didn't respect TSS I would tell you where you could go. I guess Pedroza or anyone else don't write long comments. I know I'm the only one. Don't be mad because I'm not praising Manny Wackiao and you know nothing about boxing
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Anony:  Stik & Move - I had this dream that we were about to engage in a fight and you were talking trash and doing the Ali-Hopkins-Mayweather trash talk (all combined) and I just watched and stayed clam.. waiting for the moment to fight.... but the day the fight came up... you showed up all dress in pink boxing pants with sweet pink boxing shoes and a nice girly hair cut. IT IS TRUE! I HAD THIS DREAM. It is a shame, at the end you finished face in the canvas and lots of blood dripping from your pinky outfit. Some people tell me I'm a psychic... so tell me, do you like pink?????? PUNK!!!!!!!!
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and Move, 1. I noticed that you didn't even try 9(based on their resumes at 130) to explain why Soto merited a fight more than Valero. 2. The Pac KO losses came at flyweight. With respect to Guzman, he hasn't sccored a KO since his days at 122. I'll make this simple for you: JMM is a harder puncher than Guzman? How do i know? The Jandaeng fight. Guzman and JMM hit Jandaeng with everything in the kitchen sink. The difference: JMM scored a KO. 3. You attempt to diminish JMM in comparison to Guzman by saying "JMM lost to Norwood". Guzman didn't even fight Norwood. You are starting to sound like "Floyd MMayweather is the Legend" who posited that Mayweather would beat Leonard "real bad" and then stated that the difference between SRL and Floyd ois that Floyd is undefeated. Also, Guzman never fought Morales. Again, what has Guzman done to demonstrate that he can KO Pac easily, something that Morales, Barrera or Marquez couldn't come close to doing? 4. You bring up Pac's being hurt by Diaz once in a fight as evidence that Guzman would KO him. Exactly when has Joan demonstrated DCDiaz's power at lightweight. Diaz had enough pop to KO Santa Cruz, something that Casa couldn't do. Which Guzman fights can you point me to that will illustrate similar power? 5. Why do you bring up Julio Diaz? Pac is scheduled to fight Edwin Valero, not Julio Diaz. Now, Casamayor, Marquez, Juan Diaz, Katsidis, Campbell and Guzman are all booked for September. You keep bringing up Soto, so I'll ask again: Why does he merit a fight with Pac more than Valero? I want specifics. Look at their 130-pound resumes. Don't come back with "well...Soto's fought a lot in the U.S.". 6. Regarding Casamayor and skills v. chin, you stated that Casa never had been KO'd, and that was the only remote justification you provided for your statement that he was more skilled than Barrera/Morales, who only have been KO'd by Pac, and JMM, who also has NEVER been KO'd. I brought up LaPorte (not the most skilled of fighters) to illustrate that not getting KO'd doesn't necessarily translate in to having skills, though I also said that Casa is a very skilled fighter. My point was that JMM is also very skilled, and he hasn't been KO'd either, so what exactly does being KO'd have to do with comparing Casa and JMM (one of the Mexicans to which you were referring, I assume)? Nothing. Neither has been KO'd. And Casamayor didn't just survive that Corrales KD because of skilful movements, pivoting, etc. He had to fight his way out of that in the 1st fight; it was Corrales who became the boxer for the 2nd fight. Casamayor was the hunter. 7. As for the Pac/Diaz PPV, how exactly does this enter in to this discussion (the sales numbers)? Most saw that fight as a tuneup, and I haven't disputed otherwise. 8.. I'll say this again: On the one hand, you say that Pac's made a name for himself fighting old, faded Mexicans. You then bring up Nate Campbell and Joel Casamayor, two fighters older than any of those Mexicans now and certainly when Pac fought them, and two fighters (especially Casamayor with his amateur career) who have been through a ton of hard fights, just like Barrera/Morales/Marquez. You then bring up Guzman, a fighter who will be nearly 33 when he gets a shot at Pac. (He's fighting Campbell in September, Pac's fighting Valero in November, so that fight wouldn't come off until the spring at the earliest.) But Guzman now (and even moreso when he faces Pac) will be older than JMM was when he fought Pac in 2004, and you don't group Guzman in to the old/faded category despite his having been in a fight (Barrios) more taxing than any of JMM's fights pre-Pacquiao I and quite possibly another war with Campbell in September. Finally, you say that I'm afraid of Pac v. Diaz/Campbell/Casamayor/Guzman. Well, they're booked right now, and Pac's fighting Valero. Which brings us back to Soto, the last opponent you claim Pac should be fighting and that his fans are frightened of, so let's try this one more time: At 130 pounds: (Soto's resume of VICTORIES): Ivan Valle, Humberto Toledo, Bobby Pacquiao, Ismael Gonzalez, Carlos Urias Valero's: Vicente Mosquera... Which of Soto's wins is superior to Valero's victory over Mosquera so that Humberto is more meritorious of a fight with Pac than is Edwin. And a decisive loss to Guzman isn't exactly a resume-builder. Also, I'm not counting Soto's loss against Lorenzo against him for the purposes of this discussion.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Pedroza:  To illustrate the illogic of your "Pac was laid out at flyweight, so Guzman will kKO him" argument, let's look at Alexis Arguello, who was KO'd in his pro debut at bantam by Cachorro Amaya. Surely, at 126, hard puncher Ruben Olivares would have KO'd arguello, right? Surely, at 130, hard punchers Alfredo Escalera, Bobby Chacon, Rolando Navarrete would have KO'd arguello, right? Surely, at 135, hard punchers like Cornelius Boza Edewards, Andy Gannigan, Ray Mancini and Jose Luis Ramirez would have KO'd Arguello, right? And Pac's KO loss to Singsurat was from a body shot after Pac had forfeited his title on the scales due to his inability to make 112 pounds anymore.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
floyd's dad:  wth! FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!:::::: forgot to drink his medicine!!! dont mind about him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA? WTH
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
floyd\'s dad:  stik & move "I have never seen Casamayor knocked out". Just u wait for the of pac and casamayor . Morales was never KO'd before. But he went down twice.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza. before I get to you let me just say this to that little girl Anony. I can tell I hit home because you are having dreams about me you little girl. I have nothing to say to you because you are nothing but a little girl. Now Pedroza, evidently you just started watching boxing or something because u make no sense trying to explain about Valero. But all you have done is run around the questions. So you are telling me that Valero deserves a shot against Wackiao then Casamayor, Guzman, Soto, Juan Diaz or Campbell. I'm sure you do. Soto has been ducked for so long. Wackaio at one time said he wanted to fight Soto because Soto DESTROYED his brother. Soto wanted the fight but Wackiao declined.If you knew anything about boxing then you would have seen in the Corrales/Casamayor fight that Corrales was following Casamayor around the ring and Casamayor made Corrales walk into punches. I know you don't know what "MAKING A GUY WALK INTO PUNCHES" means. I will bet Anony has never put on a glove in his life. Oh yeah mittens! I forgot he's a girl. Once again, all this over Wackiao because of 2 controversial wins over JMM.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza ..JMM got beat up by Freddie Norwood. Who did Norwood ever beat? JMM lost to Chris John. Didn't Nate Campbell beat up a young Juan Diaz? The difference as far as age goes is that Campbell, Guzman & Casamayor are much better boxers then JMM. Remember Junior Jones knocking out Barrera. Then in the 2nd fight beating him again. Barrera can't out box the boxer. All I can say is that Pacquiao hasn't beaten anyone that hadn't lost already. Raheem beat Morales before Pacquiao. Junior Jones KO"d Barrera before Manny beat him. There's a pattern that you don't see. Pedroza. You don't like that do you. Why didn't you say anything about Wackiao wanting to fight Julio Diaz. Like I said I want to see all of you when Wackiao loses.
Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and Move: 1. Junior Jones KO'd Barrera? Hmmm...saw both fights...just looked at Marco's record...don't see a KO for Junior there. 2. Morales/Raheem was at lightweight and has nothing to do with Pacquiao fights at 130. Barrera fought and beat Morales before Pacquiao as well. 3. You say that JMM was "beat u" by Norwood? LOL! That was an awful, ugly fight that could've gone either way. (I had Norwood up 114-112 because his KD of JMM in the 2nd and JMM's KD of Norwood cancelled each other out.) Nobody did any beating up in that fight, though. To answer your question, Norwood was an undefeated champ (until Gainer, who later was decisively beaten by JMM) who beat, among others, cermeno twice, Vuyani Bungu, Takashi Koshimoto and Julio Pablo Chacon, all belt-holders at either 122 or 126. 4. No, Pac decided not to fight Soto after Soto had KO'd his brother. Instead, he fought Barrera. Now, in October, 2007, let's compare the resumes (VICTORIES, that is...well, Soto hadn't even been defeated by Guzman yet:)) of Soto and Barrera: Soto: Ivan Valle, Humberto Toledo, Bobby Pacquiao, Ismael Gonzalez Barrera: Erimk Morales, Mzonke Fana, Robbie Peden, Rocky Juarez twice Hmmm...you might say that the resumes of Soto and Valero are kind of close at 130, but Barrera's resume (as of 2007 and even now) dwarfs Humberto's. 5. You bring up losses by Pac's opponents (Barrera's two against Jones, for instance). What about Nate Campbell's losses to Robbie Peden (2 KO's), Isaac Hlatswayo and Francisco Lorenzo? 6. You keep bringing up Pacquiao and Julio Diaz. Pac isn't going to fight Julio Diaz. He's going to fight Edwin Valero. Julio Diaz is meaningless in this discussion because there is no Pacquiao/Diaz fight. 7. Regarding Casamayor/Corrales, you once again miss the point. You stated that Casamayor has more skills than those Mexicans Pac fought because he hasn't been KO'd. I pointed out that MAB and Morales only have been KO'd by Pac (no, Barrera was NOT KO'd by Junior Jones!), and JMM NEVER (like Casamayor) has been KO'd, so the issue of being KO'd (or not) is useless in comparing the skills of DCasamayor and JMM. Again, in the 1st Corrales fight, yes, Casamayor showed skill; I've never disputed that. What I've said is that he didn't just outskill Corrales ala Mayweather's performance. He also slugged, and his great chin got him over the top, as well as his power. Same with Katsidis; Casamayor's more skilled, but his solid chin and power were needed in that fight. Oh, to return to JMM for a second, his loss to John was a close one in Indonesia, and John is an unbeaten champ and, now certainly with the departure from 126 of Linares and Guerrero, undoubtedly the best featherweight in the world. Finally, I'd like the answer to one simple question: Casamayor, Marquez, Campbell, Guzman, Diaz and Katsidis are all fighting in September; they're booked. Thus, as Hatton's booked in November for the Malignaggi fight, we're down to Valero and Soto as the two best possible opponents (unless you have someone else in mind). Now, based on their resumes at 130 pounds, what has Soto done (what victories has he had) to indicate that he's more meritorious of a fight with Pacquiao than is Valero. Again, specifics. For starters, which of Soto's wins (Valle, Toledo, Bobby Pacquiao, Ismael Gonzalez, Carlos Urias) is superior to Valero's KO of Mosquera?
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  Oh, Stik and Move, while we're discussing opponents of Pacquiao and their having been beaten previously, what about Humberto Soto's losses to Kevin Kelley in 2002 (well past Kevin's prime) and his TKO loss to Hector Marquez? I'm not even including the Guzman and Lorenzo losses here. The only two undefeated opponents whom Pac an feasibly fight are Guzman and Valero, and Joan'll have his hands full with Nate Campbell. I could also mention that Casamayor has previously been beaten by Freitas, Corrales and Castillo, since we're discussing prior losses of previous/future Pacquiao opponents. And again, your comeback on the age issue was weak. You stated that Pac had made his name on old fighters., and I pointed out that the fighters you'd like him to face are older than the fighters you belittle on Pac's current resume. Your only comeback is that the fighters you mention are better boxers than Morales, Barrera and JMM, but being a better boxer has nothing to do with age. In fact, the technicians (see Hopkins) have a longer lifespan than the fireplugs (Hamed, Pryor). Thus, your age criticism of Pac's previous opponents has been deconstructed--by you, of all people. Oh, one more thing: You bring up Pacquiao's two controversial wins over Marquez. Casamayor has had some controversial wins (Corrales III, Santa Cruz). And JMM's losses to Norwood and John, though I scored both for JMM's opponent, were controversial as well; many thought he'd won those fights.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Ryan of Cebu:  At last the world now has finally recognized Pacman's accomplishments, if we ask Pacman about his win I'm sure he will never call himself as the P4P king, he was even humble enough to say that he got just lucky to K.O. Diaz, if you ask Mayweather he will just simply say I'm just too good for my opponent. The boxing world needs someone as humble and as decent as Pacman, there can be no perfect boxer...Pacman will someday find his match but for now lets all enjoy and cherished Pacman's time the way we did during Dela Hoya's time.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Anony:  STIK & MOVE :: You are like scareweather zzzzzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz sorry... it is your writing style and long comments that makes me sleep. Take a break please.... you suck. PEDROZA: don't mind this bum, he is a hater. He used to carry Mayweathers clubs for $5.00 tips.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza..The difference between me and you is that I am in boxing you are just window shopping. You say that Junior didn't KO Barrera in the first fight? Are you kidding me. I was at the fight!! Campbell. I never said Campbell or Soto were great fighters. I said they would beat Pacquiao. See you are missing the point. The only fighter that I consider a great fighter was Casamayor. You only see tunnel vision when you talk about Manny or someone you like because you don't really understand boxing. The resumes of fighters are deceiving. That's ridiculous of you to go and bring up guys you have never even seen Valero fight. Look at the records of half his opponents most of those guys. BUMS!! I told you that Valero isn't even known in the US and I was correct. He has only fought 3 times in the US. You say what has Soto done, I can ask you the same about Julio Diaz who Manny was also considering. Stop and take the blind folds off and look at boxing.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Stik & Move:  Anony..I'm sorry my writing style bores you because I'm not writing things you want to hear but I don't read yours unless you are talking to me because you really don't say anything of knowledge. Thats why I don't respond to what you say unless you direct it to me. So don't read my comments. You are the moderator of TSS science so kick me off since you don't like me. You sound like a little GIRL! You are a nothing. I have promoted boxing shows worked with Don King, Bob Arum. Gary Shaw and I still work with them. Doing a show with Don King in Canada. What are you doing for boxing? NADA!! Tu eres chica!
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Solo:  Lets all give stick & move a pat on the back. He seems like he really wants and needs one :)
Friday Jul 11, 2008
stik & move:  Solo: I don't need anything from you guys. One of the clowns was saying I must have been a fighter that had a losing record and I must be upset because of that well I wanted to correct him. I'm doing things in the boxing world to help the younger kids of today and hopefully they don't be like most of the clowns on here and that's just sitting around talking crap and doing nothing. I have a fighter thats fighting on August 27th, and In October in Las Vegas. So I don't need a pat on my back from you guys. Long as I get the respect from members of the boxing world.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  Stik and Move: 1. Whether Valero is "known" in the U.S. is IRRELEVANT. He's only fought 3 times here because he was on medical suspension, not out of fear of facing American opponents. 2. You say to look at the records of half of Valero's opponents and that those opponents are bums. Care to look at the records of many of Soto's opponents in Mexico? Same point. 3. Fighting in the U.S. has nothing to do with your quality as a fighter. Case in point: Jung-Koo Chang. He never fought here. Chiquita Gonzalez did. I somehow doubt that you know Chang and his style/quality, but, since you're in to boxing, ask those in the know who is the better fighter. And a victory by Gonzalez over a past--prime Chang (who'd had over a year of inactivity) won't matter if you're asking about prime-for-prime. BTW, Valero (to boxing insiders) IS known in the U.S. He simply hasn't been able to fight here because the New York State Athletic Commission put him on medical suspension in 2004. 4. Again, you keep bringing up Julio Diaz. I have no idea what Pac was "considering" doing. What I do know is what Pac is GOING to do, and that doesn't involve fighting Julio DDiaz. He's going to fight Edwin Valero on November 15 at Planet Hollywood Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. 5. You say that "resumes are deceiving". Please point me (in Soto's 130 resume) to the qualification that makes him more meritorious of a fight with Pac than is Valero. BTW, I have seen half a dozen fights of Valero's (Trazancos, Mosquera, Lozada, Zavaleta, Honmo and Shimata). Valero/Zavaleta was even shown on US TV--a PPV from Mexico, so many U.S. fans have seen him fight. Again, what in Soto's resume qualifies him for a fight with Pac more than Valero? Don't duck and dodge; answer the question. 6. My point in bringing up Campbell's losses (and when did I attribute to you the statement that Campbell/Soto were great fighters?) and Soto's losses was to counteract your "Pac has beaten opponents who've already been beaten" argument. BTW, I notice you don't even try to defend your "Norwood beat up Marquez" comment. For those who haven't seen that fight, save an hour of your lives; it was god-awful and "boring" doesn't do it justice, but it was close, and nobody was "beaten up". 6. Regarding Barrera/Jones I, since you were there, you must have a bad memory, as Jones DID NOT KNOCK OUT BARRERA. He KD'd Barrera twice in the 5th. The time of the DQ was 2:59. Right as the bell was ringing, Barrera's cornermen jumped in the ring because they believed Jones to have hit Barrera while down after the 2nd KD. Even among the HBO commentators, there was confusion at first as to whether Jones would win by TKO, Jones would be DQ'd for (if the ref saw it that way) having hit Marco while down, or whether Barrera would be DQ'd because his cornermen had entered the ring. For anybody who'd like to verify my account of this fight, it's easily available. For anyone who'd like to verify my account of Marquez's fight with Norwood, it's easily available (the undercard of Mayweather/Gerena, and the Tito/DLH countdown show was also on that telecast). To everybody, please feel free to watch those fights and see whose account is closer to what happened in them.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  Oh, Stik and Move, I would be remiss were I not to answer your query about Julio Diaz's resume vs. Soto's. Let's see... At lightweight, where the fight would take place: Diaz: Javier Jauregui, Ricky Quiles, Jesus Chavez, Courtney Burton Soto: ZILCHO! He hasn''t even fought at 135 poundws. Of course, since Pac isn't fighting Julio Diaz but rather Edwin Valero, comparing the resumes of Diaz and Soto is a non-issue I still want to know what qualifies Soto for a fight with Pac mpore than Valero. Your strongest argument seems to be that Soto's fought in the U.S. more. "Fighting" Harada never fought in the U.S. Tim Austin fought (I think) all of his fights here. Guess that means that Austin had it all over Harada in terms of meriting big fights because, you know, he fought more in the U.S.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  Slight correction: Austin fought once in England, a two-round KO of Paul Lloyd, but he certainly fought more in the U.S. (almost 30 times) more than "Fighting" Harada, who never fought here.
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza: Looks like you are wrong again. As I stated before. Valero should not be fighting Manny. It looks like Soto will get his shot instead of Valero. But you will argue with me because you guys know everything huh...lol
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  I just read the blurb about a Pac/Soto fight. This isn't even a done deal yet. Again, both of us were going on the assumption based on scheduling information that Pacquiao was going to fight Edwin Valero. You belittled that choice in comparison to a Soto fight. I'll ask again: About what am I wrong? If you're referring to whom Pac would fight next, we (assuming that it is Soto) were both wrong, as we'd both been discussing Pac/Valero v. Pac/Soto under the assumption that he'd fight Valero next. That wasn't our dispute (whom Pac was going to fight next) but rather which one was a more worthy opponent. I stated that, based on resumes, it's Valero but that I wouldn't have a beef with a Soto fight, though Pac was scheduled to fight Valero (something we agreed on). And notice (for hopefully the last time that I'll have to say this) that there's NOTHING about a fight between Pac and Julio Diaz!:)
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Stik & Move:  Pedroza. On the Junior Jones/Barrera fight, yes he knocked Barrera down but the corner jumped in because Barrera was out and they DQ him. It was a KO. But they called it DQ. Regardless, he was hurt very bad. It's another way of getting out of a fighter knowing you are going to get knocked out. Ask Mike Tyson versus Evander Holyfield. So now Soto is going to fight Pacquiao, and give Manny a chance to get revenge because Soto DESTROYED his sorry ass brother. Let me see Pacquiao use his great boxing skills now...hahahahaha
Friday Jul 11, 2008
Pedroza:  Let me correct you on Jones/Barrera I. The corner jumped in the ring (right as the bell sounded) because they were furious that, they'd believed, Jones had hit Barrera while down. They did NOT jump in to the ring to stop the fight. As for Holy/Tyson II, what the heck are you talking about? That fight's events have nothing to do with Jones/Barrera I. Tyson's corner didn't jump in the ring in that fight; Tyson got himself DQ'd by biting Holyfield twice. The DQ in the Barrera fight occurred because he'd jumped in (Barrera's cornermen, that is) to the ring too early. A fight more analogous would be the recent Chris Arreola v. Chaz Witherspoon fight, where Witherspoon's people got in the ring while referee Randy Phillips was still counting after the 2nd KD of Witherspoon. The corner didn't come in to the ring; they didn't come in to stop the fight, that is. They just came in too early. Same with Barrera's corner in Jones/Barrera I.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
Pedroza:  BTW, Stik and Move, glad you feel the same about Bobby as I do (in terms of his fighting skills, that is). "Sorry ass" is an apt description, but Soto's KO of Bobby is his best win at 130 pounds, bringing us back to that simple question I hadd about Soto's resume v. Valero's.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
Pedroza:  Well, at least according to an unnamed member of Pac's team, Nate Campbell has indicated that he'll scrap the Guzman fight if a Pac fight can be signed. If that's true, and I say again that this is from an anonymous source, so take it with a grain of salt, that would be the best possible fight for Pacquiao.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
stik & Move:  Pedroza: Did you wake up this morning feeliing good or something? Feel your forehead to see if you have a fever or something. We agree on something. Damn! I'm shocked. I agree with you that Nate would be the best possible fight for Manny. But never the less I would rather see Soto fight Manny instead of seeing the twin brother of David Diaz(Valero). Your favorite fighter.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
Pedroza:  The twin brother of David Diaz? At 130, at least (don't know about 135, but the same went for Pac there before the Diaz fight), Edwin hit waaaaaaay haredder than Diaz, and he had more speedd.
Saturday Jul 12, 2008
choconatebar:  I believe the best fight ahead for Manny Pacquiao in the lightweight will be against Nate Campbell. It'll be a stick-and-move fight for Campbell but he'll see "lights out" mid-fight. If we're talking about the fight of the year type matchups, it'll be a toss between Pac-man v Juan Diaz or Pac-Man v JMM. With all due respect to Casamayor, methinks JMM will prevail in a lopsided fight and even probably KO the waning former linear lightweight champ. But amid the greatness JMM crowns on himself over his two performances stick-and-move pfft effort against his contrapelo, Pacquiao, he must be careful what he's wishing for. JMM might just get a 3rd crack at Pac-man, who's very much not the same man he met before. Pacquiao has not only grown bigger. He's faster, stronger, wiser, and more disciplined that before. So, I'd rather see him go against Juan Diaz if only to leave JMM with his best-owned glory -- the perception that while he may lose to Pacquiao, he's indestructible to the Pac-man.
Monday Jul 14, 2008
Stik & Move:  Choconatebar. I agree with you on a couple of the things but I don't see Pacquioa KO'ing Campbell. I do agree with the fight of the year type match-ups, Pacquiao v Juan Diaz, but I would also say a Pacquiao v Katsidis. I'm glad you didn't mention Valero like Pedroza would have...lol I think that's Pedroza's favorite fighter on the DL. I don't think that JMM would KO Casamayor because Casamayor is a better boxer and plus Casamayor has been in the ring with punchers bigger then JMM, such as Corrales(3) Castillo and Freitas and they couldn't KO him. Casamayor best Cuban boxer ever
Tuesday Jul 15, 2008
Pedroza:  Valero is "my favorite fighter on the DL"? The only favorable thing I've ever said about Valero is that his 130-pound resume is superior to Soto's. He's had victories over garbage comp for the past two years (just like Soto, BTW). Also, he's banned from fighting in the U.S. I don't know how he got a license in Texas. He's free to fight everywhere else, so he isn't exactly on the DL.
Tuesday Jul 15, 2008
the king:  yo papa smurf those fights that pacman lost proves how great pacman is. yea he got killed in those fights but that was the past... the king of the P4P today is 10x greater than he was long ago .... don't hate just because your "pretty gayweather" is too scared of the big boys
Sunday Aug 10, 2008
the king:  gayweather should go to the olympics and do track and field....im sure he'll win gold
Sunday Aug 10, 2008
charles4984:  Lets make it simple, Manny is the best at his prime, same as floyd. If ever the two of them faces each other on the same ring lets make the future predict the fight. We all know that those two are on the same crown.
Monday Dec 8, 2008
dutch:  stop the no nonsense arguements between whos the reigning p4p king...... lets get it on
Saturday Jun 13, 2009

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