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INEVITABLE: Tyson/Holyfield III
By Ron Borges
How long before the rumors start?
How long before some promoter with deep pockets or, more likely, some promoter with pockets that are inside out but who knows how to talk and how to tap dance, gives Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson a call?
How long before he or she suggests Tyson-Holyfield III as a way to erase the debts that today seem to have both of them encircled in the kind of way only the IRS and mortgage holders can do?
Mike Tyson is presently the subject of a documentary that makes him look like the most forlorn figure in fisticuffs, a poor guy who didn’t lose his way because he never knew the way in the first place.
He is broke, beaten down and bewildered by it all, except to repeat periodically that he’s sorry he was a bad boy in addition to being a BAAADDDD MAN.
Evander Holyfield denied his mansion in Atlanta was being foreclosed on, even though that’s kind of hard to argue when it was being offered for sale on July 1 by Washington Mutual, the holder of a $10 million mortgage on the property. That forced sale has since been called off but no one is ready to say why, and the fact is Holyfield reportedly has three mortgages on the $20 million property that total over $15 million in debts.
He also claims one of the women who mothered one of his nine children is being unreasonable over the matter of $3000 a month in child support that has been missing for a time. When you pay a reported $45,000 a month in child support one can see how the check might have gotten lost in the paperwork.
Despite his protestations, Holyfield too seems broke, beaten down and bewildered by it all, except to repeat like a personal mantra that A) he isn’t in any sort of financial trouble and B) one day he will again be unified heavyweight champion.
“I’m not broke,’’ Holyfield told the Atlanta Constitution last week. “I’m just not liquid.’’
This is what it has come down to for the two highest grossing heavyweights in boxing history. Between them they grossed over $1 billion in fight related income on pay-per-view alone with Tyson’s gross at $545 million and Holyfield’s at $543 million. Together they did the second most PPV buys in history at 1.99 million for the Tyson-Holyfield II Ear Bite Fight on June 28, 1997. Holyfield’s purses exceeded $240 million and Tyson’s purses exceeded that.
While obviously neither took home all that money, the two of them made more than the gross national product of most countries, Holyfield himself earning $34 million for the second Tyson fight alone. So how did they end up broke?
Bad luck? Bad judgment? Born under a bad sign? How about hard work?
Regardless of your circumstances you have to work pretty hard at it to blow that kind of money. That’s true even if you have unscrupulous promoters, lousy managers, many marriages, too many kids and too few friends. Even with all of those problems blowing that kind of money without having waged war on a small nation is damn near impossible.
Yet they did it, which gets us back to my original premise. How long before we start hearing rumblings of Tyson-Holyfield III? Not long because Holyfield has already brought up the subject himself, although there hasn’t been much of a response yet from Tyson.
Would Vegas sanction it? You better believe it. Would some place like Dubai love to buy it to put that country on the map for something other than $5 gasoline? For sure.
Are there any heartless promoters out there still willing to make a buck off the backs of two spent shells that are down on their luck? You want to start with the letter A and go through the list alphabetically?
Some purists might say, “These are two shot guys in their mid-40s. No way will anyone buy it.’’ To that I say, “Trinidad vs. Jones.’’ I say, “Jack Johnson on his back in the Havana sunshine. Joe Louis past his prime his head knocked into press row. Ray Robinson when all the sugar was gone, Ray Leonard when the story was the same. Duran against a lot of guys and Henry Armstrong too.’’
Exploitation at the end is the story of boxing and too often the person doing the exploiting is the fighter exploiting himself. There are reasons this is an old tune though, and it is the same reason Holyfield-Tyson III seems more likely every time they make a new headline, because the headlines they make now are about personal train wrecks, unpaid bills or lingering tax liens, not glorious chronicles of victory.
The news has not been good for Tyson or Holyfield for quite some time, but in the latter’s case the bad news usually only involved another night in a ring, where his reflexes are gone and his performances substandard. For Tyson it was always worse. Legal hassles, back taxes, drug problems.
But now the headlines say Holyfield is broke too, a victim of a 109-room house no one could afford to keep up, too much child support, bad business deals and Lord knows what else. So why wouldn’t he look to wipe out those problems the only way he has ever known?
Why wouldn’t Evander Holyfield come back one last time to take on the man he beat twice before at a time when so many people believed he never could? Why wouldn’t he come back to fight Tyson in an age-old rerun of old age fighters fighting over money not titles or even pride?
Given the chance, he would.
Which brings us back to Mike Tyson. One of his long-time advisors said recently Tyson has no desire to train and will never come back again. The first half has been true for years. His desire to do the work required to win faded long ago, which is how he ended up on the floor against a less-than-journeyman named Kevin McBride in perhaps the biggest embarrassment of his professional career.
More to the point, the same man said Tyson wanted no part of Holyfield, who broke him down physically and mentally in their first fight and totally in their rematch, and perhaps he doesn’t. But he may also soon tire of being the world’s houseguest.
One can see why Mike Tyson wouldn’t want to take a chance of being embarrassed for a third time by Holyfield. One can certainly see why he doesn’t want to live the Spartan fighter’s existence any more, even if it’s only for six or eight weeks in training camp one last time. But the history of boxing also shows that if the numbers are right, or at least the fighters believe they are, a lot of other matters don’t matter.
At the moment, Evander Holyfield has already brought up the subject. Mike Tyson has remained mum on the matter and no promoter has begun publicly beating the drum for Tyson-Holyfield III. Maybe things will stay that way, as they should for boxing’s sake and their own.
Just don’t bet on it.
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rudy:
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Dont even think about this, I feel that Tyson will never step in the ring again. He's so hoped up on pills at the moment and living somewhat of calm life that he wont ruin that for a pay day.
Friday Jun 13, 2008 12:35:48 PM
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Anony:
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Well... I truly won't mind to see them fight again. In fact, it is a good fight to be drinking in a bar with some friends to avoid the pay per view charges. And from those two you could expect a good fight who deserve admiration since they were two of the greatest fighters and it is just like seen your old favorite band from the 80's doing it again in concert. Let them fight if they want. I'll watch.
Friday Jun 13, 2008 12:40:39 PM
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Anonymous user:
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you have many facts very very wrong. tyson aproached holyfield, tysonis in his early 40s, and holyfield paid wamu thats why he still has his house he was the most sucessful fighter in boxing he is not broke for crying out loud.
Friday Jun 13, 2008 02:06:30 PM
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Radam G:
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It the bucks are paid in advance -- and they will be -- look for Holyfield-Tyson III. The way that I see it, Tyson likes to bite off ears and chew thighs, so he need the training of Money Joy May -- a wacko father, but probably a fair trainer. Holyfield can hire Uncle Roger -- bad-mouth uncle, but a heluva trainer. This way fans will get a two-for-one deal. If Tyson shows his teeth, Roger will hop into the ring to protect Holyfield, Joy May will then dash across the ring and start whipping Roger's butt. In the meantime, Tyson and Holyfield will grab the stools, sit on them and enjoy the Mayweather family fuel and laugh at how the greatest suckers to give away their money are fight fans -- born "suckas." Holla!
Friday Jun 13, 2008 04:30:16 PM
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Radam G:
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*If the bucks are paid in advance -- and they will be -- look for Holyfield-Tyson III....Holla!
Friday Jun 13, 2008 04:35:56 PM
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Alokwe:
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Is this a sly way of you (yes you Ron Borges) putting bad ideas in people's heads?..I think so.
Friday Jun 13, 2008 07:16:27 PM
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Pete Steward:
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I'd rather watch 2 future Hall of Famers & Has beens Fight. Then watch never will be's like Wlady BICHTKO & and the Nigerian Bad Dream HAM Peter if there the 2 best Heavies in the world Then they should just drop the division completely until it gets better. Or until at least Ike gets out.
Friday Jun 13, 2008 11:51:52 PM
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Agreed no better heavy fights ouut there. I'd pay 70 bucks to see that fight.
Saturday Jun 14, 2008 01:39:33 PM
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Arturo:
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The negotiations for this fight would include; a point taken away every time Tyson removes his mouthpiece, no more than 10 clinches per round from Evander, and no more illegal scents(Holyfield sprayed a secret formula that smelled like spicy BBQ chicken in the back of his ear before the second fight)
Saturday Jun 14, 2008 03:22:19 PM
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Spinach Chin:
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Tyson should worry about Kevin mc Bride first. I think losing to McBride is worse than losing to Butterbean.
Saturday Jun 14, 2008 04:44:11 PM
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Niko:
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Well considering the actual mediocre former union heavyweight offering, I am more than happy to pay a PPV to watch this two!!!!!!
Saturday Jun 14, 2008 06:04:30 PM
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Q'bert:
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Considering the history these guys have in this industry, i think this wld be sold out, i wouldn't mind watching the Iron(ear) man winning this one.
Monday Jun 16, 2008 05:41:12 AM
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Holy is nuts.:
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holyfield should have turn his masion into a hotel or rent rooms out or yet sell it n buy a nice decent 4 bed room home that way he wouldn't need come out n fight for pennies. what a shame.
Monday Jun 16, 2008 08:11:11 AM
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Evans:
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Holyfield has more left then Tyson. But of course they should both stay retired. Tyson vs Holyfield would be a ridicolous fight. They just need to find new careers, maybe boxing commentators or boxing trainers
Monday Jun 16, 2008 09:56:26 AM
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Paul Taylor:
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Inevitable? How about incomprehensible? Say what you want about the UFC, they would NEVER entertain the idea of this garbage. Tyson vs. Holyfield III is not a fight for boxing fans or even casual fight fans but for sub morons who think The Jerry Springer Show should have won an Emmy by now and who will swear up and down that pro wrestling is NOT staged and the outcomes not pre determined. This would be a spectacle notice I didn't say fight between one guy who doesn't want to fight and one guy who can no longer fight. Tyson's broke because he's a financial imbecile? I don't care. Holyfield's tapped out because he recklessly sprays his sperm all over the place? I don't care. It breaks a fight fans heart to think of all the deserving anonymous fighters toiling for years in a gym who will never get a sniff of pay per view dollars having to hear about this garbage. Perhaps the undercard will feature the bearded lady midget, a shadow boxing kangaroo, and Fluffy the pussy cat that does algebra.
Monday Jun 16, 2008 10:43:09 AM
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Devon:
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Whoever says they would PAY for this fight is CRAZY! Theres NO DOUBT all youse be bitchin' the next day bout how the fight was a RIPOFF. And even if they DID fight again, they would be back in debt in another 1-2 years. Those 32 million paydays are OVAH! They'd be LUCKY to get 5 mil a piece.... which would leave them with about 2.5 mil AFTER taxes. And THAT will be just enough to cover what they owe NOW. What about money for they future? What Mike and Vander should be doing is looking to find another way to make big money. If George Foreman can make millions off a grilling machine, hell.... they can do it too.
Monday Jun 16, 2008 09:20:18 PM
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pw:
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Is boxing that hard-up for an interesting fight? Is this an interesting fight
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Tuesday Jun 17, 2008 09:36:45 AM
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Bulldog:
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I still wish we could turn back time and Cus' d amato be 10 years younger than when he passed away, by that we would have witnessed the greatest heavyweight of all time in Tyson. No short cuts in training, no wild party life, and the only man on the planet in his corner who could control him. Ali, Dempsey, Louis,Marciano, Frazier, Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, none of the forementioned could touch the prime Tyson, he was the real mean fighting machine, the most purely aggressive fighter available within the Marques of Queensbury rules. Whilst what could have been still runs havoc in many peoples minds, those days are gone, along with any wish to see two fighters who came from a great era and gave us fans so much entertainment redo battle. Holyfields lengthy career should cease if only to protect him from the prognosis facing Ali.
Tuesday Jun 17, 2008 09:42:25 AM
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Edge:
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If Cus D'Amato were alive, he couldn't do JACK for Tyson. Tyson is SHOT. He has NO DESIRE to fight ANYMORE. He hasn't had the DESIRE to fight (let alone TRAIN) for YEARS! AND..... Tyson has ADMITTED this on SEVERAL OCCASIONS. Cus D'Amato once said that if a fighter loses his desire he should QUIT because he could get hurt in the ring. So all you Tyson fans out there that think Mike can do it "one more time".... your DREAMING. If you LOVE Tyson, let him live in peace. He will find a nother way to make money...... he's Mike Tyson for crissakes!
Tuesday Jun 17, 2008 04:12:24 PM
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959 Santa:
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Both fighters owe alot of money. Could be they both need this fight. Perhaps this fight could be shown on battle of the celebrities with Holyfield wanting a piece of his ear back.
Tuesday Jun 17, 2008 05:51:27 PM
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amir khan:
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it will be a good fight millions of people will want to see it and come
Wednesday Jun 18, 2008 08:45:23 AM
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Boxingfan:
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I can see why Holyfield may indeed be broke after grossing $500 million. Boxers take lots of punches to the head which over a long period can cause brain damage. He may not have budgeted his money or many people were taking his money like Tyson. Either way any sensible person would hire a trusting CPA to look after their finances.
Tuesday Jun 24, 2008 12:55:16 AM
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Ralph A. Ligtas:
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My opinion, if they want to fight let them fight, they have the right to, those who don't want to watch the fight then don't watch it, those who want to are free to do so as well, these 2 boxers are just trying to make money, true, they are taking advantage of their being famous, that's fine, it will just be helping them out with money, if they want to risk their names as great boxers let them do so, it will still be up to them. But if I was tyson or holyfield, and if I really want to fight, I would train first and show to the public my training and let the people speak if I still got it to fight. Still, all of us will always be in a fight, not all in the ring though.
Tuesday Jun 24, 2008 05:36:20 PM
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Fredrik Farhadian:
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Holyfield-Tyson III would probably do around 1 million buys on pay-per-view. With that much money to be made, and considering the financial state of both fighters, who can say for sure that the fight won´t happen?
Saturday Jun 28, 2008 07:10:09 AM
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Mr. Budgers:
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Well, they better get it underway soon.
Holyfield is 45 and Tyson is 42.
Holyfield however will turn 46 this year in October.
So I mean, common, if it's gonna happen, it has to happen within a year.
Saturday Jul 5, 2008 04:58:50 PM
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