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Maybe Boxing Can Get A Slice Of The Action
By Michael Woods
Some fight fans will take what they can get, and are pleased that they will be able to turn on the TV on Saturday night, tune to CBS, and watch some fights.
Yes, the fighting that will be offered by CBS will be of the MMA variety, not the sweet science, but beggars can't be too choosy.
Yes, many boxing buffs have sampled the MMA fare, and haven't taken to it. All that rolling around on the ground just doesn't resonate with some folks who like their action to feature two athletes on two feet.
And some boxing fans who have learned to appreciate the science involved in MMA, and the excitement that can be generated by clashes of styles, and the different means to force a foe to succumb, are not enthralled by the product CBS is offering. The show, which kicks off at 9 PM Eastern, and runs for two hours, will feature the talents of one Kimbo Slice, an underground streetfighter who smashed his way into water cooler conversations when his bare knuckle backyard mashups were posted on YouTube.
The show is being put on by the Elite XC company, not UFC, which is a turnoff to UFC-partial mixed martial arts fans, who deride Slice as a subpar practitioner who has climbed to the top of the card by virtue of a skillful marketing campaign, rather than on his merits as a fighter. Anti-Slice activists, most of whom smartly reserve their scorn for the Miami-based MMA newbie to anonymous posts on message boards, protest that Slice has been fed a diet of geriatrics, yellow bellies and yahoos pulled off barstools as his legend is created.
To my view, I understand and respect the views of those who don't care for the sport, as long as they don't go overboard in their dismissiveness of the fighters. There is copious science and skill and training involved in crafting a solid MMAer, and just as I believe us keyboard tappers should refrain from being excessively snide in tearing down any fighter who steps into a ring and gives his all, I feel the same way about snarky comments directed at those who step in the cage.
I also get those who see Slice as a manufactured commodity. Heck, the fighter himself readily states that he is a new kid on the block, has tons of ground to make up, and will be learning the craft as long as he takes part in it.
Also, I get those who look down on his foes, but I also get where his promoter, Gary Shaw, is coming from. His son Jared turned him on to Slice two years ago, and the elder Shaw told his son to get on a plane, ASAP, and get Kimbo in the fold. The promoter had seen some of his top boxing talents, like Pacquiao, and Winky Wright, jump ship. He saw an MMA fanbase building, and pounced on a fearsome fighter, with a somewhat Tysonesque level of malevolence, and capacity to inflict neurological damage, and propensity to toss out the sort of mayhem-promising soundbites that stick to Tyson 20 years after he uttered them. He saw an attraction, a moldable commodity, in Slice, that with the right nurturing, and a bunch of luck, he could build around.
To those who sneer at Slice's progession pace, why should, or why would Shaw toss Slice in with a jiu-jitsu specialist with ten years of experience, and get him beat? It so happens I have an answer why he would do that. If Shaw were Dana White he would put Slice in with a stiffer test than Slice will be matched with on the CBS show, one James Thompson of England, who is a willing battler, but one whose chin is his least cooperative body part.
That is because White has a different mindset when it comes to building his company. In White's view, the parts will burn out, and be replaced, but the UFC machine will continue to rev. That's why he put Brock Lesnar, the WWE refugee, in tough, with Frank Mir, in Lesnar's first outing. He did so understanding the risk that Lesnar, an attraction White could potentially build PPVs around, could get beat, and perhaps be scared away from the sport. But more crucial to White is the nurturing of the UFC brand; UFC viewers can expect their faves to be matched tough, by and large, and upsets are the norm, not the exception, when you buy a UFC PPV. You buy a UFC PPV, and you will get your money's worth. Conversely, Shaw feels that people tune in to see a bright light in action, and enjoy attaching their allegiance to a winner, someone they can root for, and indentify with.
Shaw presented the entire batch of MMAers who will take part in the CBS experiment at a NYC press conference on Thursday, and explained some of the reasons why he's building this major network MMA debut around a 34-year-old former streetfighter/porn company bodyguard.
"The first time I introduced Kimbo, I was introducing him as a YouTube sensation with over 10 million hits," Shaw said. "I knew he was a star then. I knew he could be a superstar. There are great basketball players, but nothing like Michael Jordan. There are great golfers, but nothing like Tiger Woods. Every once in a while there is someone who crosses over that line to a superstar. You just know. When Mike Tyson walked in, the place erupted. When someone else walked in there were only a few claps. Well, Kimbo Slice is a superstar. He is probably the most recognizable name in all of MMA. On May 31, when he gets in the cage, he will be the single most known face of MMA.
"(UFC’s) Dana White will be at home watching us on CBS. When he rips Kimbo Slice, it only proves he is an idiot. When he says that BJ Penn is the best fighter in the whole family and can knock out Kimbo Slice, the DEA should raid his home. I know BJ Penn would never say that and is probably embarrassed. Although BJ Penn is the best fighter in the family, he’s not the smartest Penn (JD, his brother, is an executive at EliteXC).
If you want to do something good for the sport, you should support CBS. Whether Kimbo has two fights, or six, he is raising the tide of MMA. All ships rise with the tide. The fighters on this card have said it. There is nothing to be embarrassed about. He trains with Bas Rutten. If you train with him, you are a real fighter. He is the closest thing I know to Tyson. He has an off and off switch. When he is off, you would have him baby sit your kids without a second thought. When it is on, someone is in trouble for sure.
Kimbo has a complex side to him as well. He is intelligent. He is well-read, well-versed. He is street through and through. He has not forgotten where he came from. On the bus ride over here, he told me he bought two 26-inch TVs and is going to give them to someone needy in the work area in Newark. He wants to leave Newark with a positive impression. It not only says something about Kimbo but the MMA family. I am telling you, Kimbo Slice is real.
We are up for the challenge in a cage. When this is over, you will be proud that Kimbo has represented MMA. You will be proud he is a family man and has taken care of his kids. You will find when the story is over that Kimbo rose to the occasion as a standup guy. He is our franchise player right now. The guys that has helped us more than he knows. I have called upon him more than any other athlete."
Please tell us, TSS Universe, if you are going to be tuning in to the CBS show. If yes, is it because you are an MMA fan? Because you are a Slice fan? Because HBO and Showtime aren't offering any boxing?
I'd recommend you do tune in, if only for curiousity's sake, for this reason: if this show draws mad eyeballs, suits at NBC and ABC may be more inclined to toss some boxing on, on a Friday or Saturday night. And some boxing suits might be a bit PO'd at all the attention that MMA is getting, and decide that maybe they should work a little bit harder, and maybe---gasp!--leave a mill on the table, and put together a compelling show that the nets might just say yes to, instead of continuing their tired whining about how the networks won't touch boxing, because advertisers won't touch boxing. Remember what Shaw said about rising tide's lifting all boats? OK, maybe the fightgame cousins are too dissimilar, and boxing's demographic doesn't have the appeal of the MMA watchers. Maybe a good showing on CBS won't translate into Mayweather vs. Cotto on NBC in the spring of 2009. But stranger things have happened. I mean, have you heard about the big scary dude who was fighting in backyards in Miami for a few grand, and his fights were loaded on to YouTube, and now he's in MMA, and making $300,000 a fight?
SPEEDBAG: For more MMA content, do make sure to head over to our sister site, TheSavageScience.com.
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pete Steward:
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This should be cool EliteXC and UFC will be competing with each other Tonight. UFC is putting Ultimate Iceman to counter the EliteXC CBS Network Debut. I'll Tape one and watch the other. Competition breeds higher quality.The real winners are the fans
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Radam G:
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A lot of people say that Kimbo is a Bimbo. Maybe! But he is dreaming if he thinks that he can beat any of boxing heavyweight fatties and giants. James Toney would beat him in a round and a half. China chin Wlad Klitschko would knock him out in two after getting dropped a time or two. And Nikolay Valuev would maul him in three rounds. Holla!
Saturday May 31, 2008
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joey:
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kimbo sucks and so does mma, kimbo beats has beens who are 40 and ova, hes a chunp and all hype
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Buck Ziemelis:
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As the orator Don King said "Only in American!
Saturday May 31, 2008
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BIGFREDO76:
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Were not paying for this fight but i rather pay two bums to fight in my alley than see this gloried hug fest.Kimbo is no bimbo but hes not anywhere near stepping into any boxing ring.She would be pummeled into submission
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Jonald:
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I'll be watching, more out of curiosity than anything else. I'm not an MMA fan, but nor am I a basher. Mr. Woods sums it up perfectly in that plenty of us keyboard tappers have a tendency to be overly harsh in deriding the MMA combatants (or even some sweet science guys, like Tarver or Calzaghe), but those guys are not lacking in temerity and courage. I simply haven't taken to the art of it, the rolling around, the wrestling and grappling. But you know what, boxing has benefited since MMA/UFC's emergence. That's a byproduct I can live with. If it means the suits at HBO and Showtime will put on better fights, that we'll get Cotto - Margarito, two guys who absolutely don't need each other to continue to prosper, then we all win. And last, Kimbo's not boxing for a reason. That reason is he would never have the stamina to compete in TSS against legitimate guys. He seems to have the power, but let's face it, if Wlad Klitschko was fighting "Adryan" or these other characters in bare-knuckled brawls in Miami's back yards, they'd be transporting those guys in hearses. And spare me the Ray Mercer debacle. The guy was out of shape, 40-something, and did his legacy a sad injustice by participating in that atrocity.
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Spinach Chin:
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Kimbo looks like the real thing, but like joey says he beats over-the-hill guys and this chump he's gonna fight on CBS is his worst opponent yet. Shannon Briggs all over agian?
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Smiley C:
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I have 2 b da man enough 2 give Jonald kudos on what he scribbled. D MMA/UFC have a right 4 d pursue of happiness and profit just as any 1 n TSS. Though their hype is wack-d-wacky. Like Jonald said, they would b rolled out and put n hearses n any brawls with boxing's best, average, r decent. Yea, they can beat up d almost-50-years-old heavyweights, but not d young fatties and giants. I would like 2 c James Toney get a hold of Kimbo, myself. Toney would talk about his momma, sister, grandmother, his beard, his Bozo haircut and then knock his a$$ stupid and get paid. Fo' sure!
Saturday May 31, 2008
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George Em:
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I don't care a rat's a.. if Kimbo fights in a cage, ring or whatever,the dude is a monster. I,ll watch him till he proves otherwise.
Saturday May 31, 2008
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jim allcorn:
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Shaw had better stick to putting his boy Kimbo over with the marks that followed his exploits over on YouTube into MMA, 'cause what works in that sport definitely WON'T work in boxing. Where even a fighter with a mediodre, sub-.500 record can show up motivated & end up looking like a world class athlete come fight night against built up opposition. Something that the promoters of big name strikers from both the Toughman circuit & Japan's K-1 learned the hard way when their "sure things" in Eric "Butterbean" Esch & the Somoan bomber by the name of "Mighty Mo" both got schooled by men with less than stellar credentials early on in their attempts at straight up pugilistic careers.
Butterbean's undraping in front of a big fight crowd at New York's Madison Square Garden on the undercard of an Oscar Delahoya fight occurred well over a decade ago when he was TKO'd in two short rounds by a career sparring partner in one Mitchell Rose who wound up winning just two of about a dozen pro fights. But, who managed to put his skills together & to good use on that night on MSG's big stage back in 1996 for a career highlight.
Then there was Mighty Mo's shut out loss to an unheralded opponent-type in Lamar Stephens, who was so excited by his lopsided victory over the multiple time K-1 champ that he promptly followed it up with two years of inactivity & hasn't fought since. Electing to sit on his laurels & his 7-2-1 pro record in the process.
Should Kimbo Slice decide to follow Butterbean & Mo into the sweet science, it's obvious to me that his own personal Mitchell Rose or Lamar Stephens awaits him.
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Really:
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Machida and Fedor are the best in MMA while this showing doesn't include a top MMA fighter at all. Also boxing is the best fight sport period! So why should this bull on prime time t.v?
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Really:
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Machida and Fedor are the best in MMA while this showing doesn't include a top MMA fighter at all. Also boxing is the best fight sport period! So why should this bull be on prime time t.v?
Saturday May 31, 2008
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donputo69:
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im starting to like MMA..not bad at all...hey..is free..cbs channel..lol...
Saturday May 31, 2008
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donputo69:
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i think he's overrated...but he's good though...but not great yet...holla back...
Saturday May 31, 2008
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Pete Steward:
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KIMBO WINS! He showed a lack of experience as expected. But he also showed allot of Heart Courage and Natural Talent and class. He's said it himself "I have along way to go", He does, and I look forward to seeing him get there. Win loose or draw Iam on the KIMBO Bandwagon! Oh and one more thing Kimbo one word CARDIO CARDIO CARDIO! Okay that more than one lol!
Saturday May 31, 2008
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The Ape:
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How much can kimbo learn at 34?
Sunday Jun 1, 2008
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Pete Steward:
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Allot! Ask George Foreman who turned his whole life around about the same age give or take a few years. Regained the title at 43 years old created his famous grill sold it for almost 200 mill and is on tour with Donald Trump and Toney Robbins speaking about positive thinking. You’re never too old to learn something new. Will Kimbo be the next Randy Couture or Fedor? No! But neither one could put up the numbers that Kimbo put up last night in the ratings
And with MMA Legend Bas Rutten in his corner he very well be the next BIG THING
34? Plenty of time
Sunday Jun 1, 2008
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The Ape:
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He should already know how to get into fighting shape. Maybe this experience will help. No way a future star should struggle so mightily against a no-chin journeyman.
Sunday Jun 1, 2008
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guidofk:
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I watch mma and BOXING! the kimbo fight was a joke!!( any other fight would of been called after kimbo getting hit 30-times in the head with a fore-arm un answerd( fixed for kimbo). MMA just fills in the gaps, when theres no good boxing matches. MMA has second rated strikers. This is comming from a young 27 year old, who actually knows boxing is far better.
Sunday Jun 1, 2008
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Nuckle:
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Not a MMA fan, but Im a fan of street fighting. Kimbo is the truth. If you dont think so watch his youtube and I bet you change your mind.
Tuesday Jun 3, 2008
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Kevin:
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I am a huge fan of boxing and a huge fan of MMA. Boxing fan since a young boy and MMA fan since the first UFC in the early 90s. You can't really compare them if a boxer fights an MMA by boxing rules the boxer pummels the dude to putty. Boxer fights a MMA with MMA rules... the MMA guy 9 times out of 10 destroys the boxer. In either match there is a punchers chance.
Now, my comment on Kimbo. He is a turd MMA fighter with about zero chance (punchers chance) of beating any good MMA people. He wouldn't have a prayer in boxing. He is a street fighter that has some boxing skills that he uses to beat up guys with no fighting skill. A boxer or an MMA would look just as tough fighting the local tough guy. Kimbo is an entertainment novelty, not a contender of any shape or form.
Wednesday Jun 4, 2008
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Playing Matchmaker: Williams/Cotto, Pavlik/Abraham Winners Meet
"I wouldn't mind paying 50 dollars for a Paul Williams /Miguel Cotto fight with Margarito/Clottey in the undercard. Or Jermain Taylor/Paul Williams with a fight between Kelly Pavlik/Arthur Abraham on the same night. A set up like that would be good for boxing 'cause the fans would see four good fighters in one night and possibly see the two winners fight in the near future.Too bad boxing doesn't think about the fans the way fans think about boxing." ---TSS reader Arturo plays matchmaker
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