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Monday May 5, 2008

Forbes is a light puncher and yet he still left Oscar's face marked. Uh oh.

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BORGES: Oscar Beat Mayweather Lite, But...

By Ron Borges

The troubling thing about Oscar De La Hoya’s one-sided sparring session with Steve Forbes Saturday night was not that he came out of it with a swollen and aching left hand. The troubling thing was that he came out of it with an alarming amount of swelling around both eyes in a fight in which one judge awarded him every round and the other two gave him 11 of the 12.

      Steve Forbes, unlike his scheduled September 20 opponent Floyd Mayweather, Jr., not only floats like a butterfly he punches like one too. Not only is he not heavy handed he doesn’t even come with the kind of stinging jab that can cause an opponent’s face to swell like it’s been attacked by a swarm of bees.

      Yet there was De La Hoya after having pleased a partisan crowd of 27,000 at the Home Depot Center just south of Los Angeles standing in the ring an hour after the fight talking to the media with two cheeks that looked like they’d been scalded by the sun and a right eye that was puffier than the left even though it was the latter that first began to swell early in the fight.

      None of that takes away from the perfect use he made of his left jab, the weapon of choice if he is to again be competitive against Mayweather in the fall. Forbes described it as “a piston’’ and he should know because it sliced a cut along the side of his right eye midway through the fight and bruised up his face enough that he, unlike De La Hoya, came to the post-fight session wearing dark glasses to hide the damage done to him from the harsh light of the moon shining above the outdoor soccer facility where he’d just been a well-paid sparring partner for nearly an hour.

      De La Hoya admitted he’d stopped doubling and tripling his jab after the fifth round because his left hand began to ache, shifting over to more of a single shot power jab that stunned Forbes on several occasions and controlled his ability to launch much of an attack. That is the same jab that allowed De La Hoya to win the early rounds against Mayweather before De La Hoya abandoned it and lost a split decision to him a year ago. It’s the same jab he will have to have working at full capacity in September if he is to reverse that score and find a way to improve on that performance when they meet again.

      Perhaps because of that De La Hoya quickly reassured his questioners that he did not believe the hand injury was serious, although he said his already planned week off from training for Mayweather following the Forbes fight would be spent with his hand in a bucket of ice cubes.

      “In the fourth round I hit him on top of the head,’’ De La Hoya said of a hand that was later examined at White Memorial Medical Center in East Los Angeles and found to be sore but without further damage. “I was a bit hesitant (to throw the jab after that). I knew I had to throw it solid, straight at him, or he’d keep coming. I had to bite down and do it.’’

      The larger concern is not with his left hand however. It is with the puffiness Forbes was able to raise around De La Hoya’s 35-year-old eyes despite landing few telling punches all night. That is not to say he didn’t land at all because he did, especially during several fast flurries when he felt himself slipping into trouble as De La Hoya teed off on him to the head and body. But Forbes’ punches should not have done the kind of damage that appeared on De La Hoya’s face, which may well be an alarming warning that the first signs of age appeared on an otherwise brilliant night for De La Hoya only 15 miles from the East L.A. barrio where he grew up dreaming of being a world champion but never dreaming his life would become what it has.

      The six-time world champion is not only the most powerful financial force in boxing he also heads up a sprawling business empire that includes real estate, publishing, an office building in downtown L.A., a charter school being built with his funding, a Grammy nominated CD, a soon-to-be best-selling autobiography that comes out next month and partial ownership of the Houston Dynamo of the Major League Soccer.

      Have we missed anything? Well, he still can fight in a way that has produced more pay-per-view money than anyone in history, including Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield, too. But can he still fight well enough to stand up to someone with Mayweather’s gifts, gifts which have made him the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world?

      That question will soon be answered and De La Hoya certainly sounded like someone who believes he can and he will but what else was he supposed to say after slapping Mayweather Lite around all night?

      “I’ll get the tape and study it,’’ De La Hoya said. “I’ll definitely be popping my jab. (I’ll need to throw) more jabs. Be on my toes more and moving my head more. Stiff hard jabs and working the body will be the key.’’

      That and moving his head and staying less straight up than he was against Forbes, who had little ammunition to stop De La Hoya’s jab from tormenting him. All Forbes could do was back up, something Mayweather will do less of. Instead Mayweatehr will stay inside, slip many more of those jabs than Forbes did and create both a faster pace and a more uncomfortable one for De La Hoya.

      Yet it all sounded good, as it always does when Oscar speaks. From his words to the way he was still on his toes and moving late in the fight to the success of his jab to the fact that this time he took a tune up fight before facing Mayweather, who he last fought following an unwise layoff of 364 days. Yet as De La Hoya spoke the redness of his cheeks and the swelling around both eyes seemed to be whispering that there may be more danger up there in the ring these days than it appeared. Danger as much from the eroding ravages of time as from Mayweather.

      Time which robs a man of the slight edge he once had in reaction and reflexes. Time which steals the ability to move your head as you once did, move it to allow a blow to slide by you while you’re still in position to punch instead of nicking your face and puffing your eyes. Time which will convince you to throw fewer flurries and when you do ones that are shorter in duration and thus less dangerous to an opponent like Mayweather.

      “Early in the fight I felt the rust,’’ De La Hoya argued. “I knew it would be a tough fight but you use it to take that rust out. By the 11th round I could feel the rust just falling away. I wanted to work on some things. I wanted to get on my toes and challenge my conditioning. I’m confident now I’ll fight 12 hard rounds.’’

      He very well might be but De La Hoya has been a part time fighter for the past eight years and he knows it. He has not fought three times in a year since 1999 and has fought only once a year (or less when he did not fight at all in 2005) since 2004. He is barely a .500 fighter since that time, going 7-5 leading up to the Forbes match. Now admittedly every loss but the one to Bernard Hopkins was close enough to be disputed and on several occasions he seemed to get the short end of the stick from judges in Las Vegas but still it is what it is. Combine that with the tell-tale puffiness around his eyes and you wonder what kind of dress rehearsal for September the Forbes fight really was? Was it a coming out party or a farewell party?

      “This is the beginning of preparation to fight my son,’’ insisted De La Hoya’s trainer and Floyd Mayweather’s father, Floyd, Sr. ““I thought Oscar would have more power than he had. Now we know we have to work on that more but I thought it went well. He didn’t do as much as I wanted but he did a good job.

      “Floyd is a better fighter than Stevie but he doesn’t throw as many punches as Steve so if Oscar feints well, uses his jab a lot and counter punches he’ll have a great fight.’’

      You could argue that while it will take that to beat Mayweather, De La Hoya only lost his 154-pound title to him by one point on one judge’s card last September. Change that and it’s a draw and who knows what would have happened next? But that isn’t what happened and when you looked at that puffiness and at De La Hoya’s inability to wobble Forbes you had to wonder what comes next this time.

      Oscar De La Hoya was not wondering however. He was saying how much he was looking forward to September and promising he’d quickly be back in training for it.

      “The first fight, believe me, I wanted to beat him,’’ De La Hoya said of Mayweather. “There was a lot of hype, a lot of new strategies being implemented when it comes to marketing to make it the biggest event ever. You do get caught up in that.

      “Now that I’ve been through that situation it’s all business. This is personal. I’m going to beat him. You watch. I’m going to beat him.

      “It’s about having the perfect game plan. I can’t go in there and be all stiff and ah, ah, ah! It doesn’t work. The harder you try the better it is for Floyd. You gotta go in there and be on your toes. Take your time. Pick your shots. Pop, pop, pop. We’ll get it done.’’

      The Salesman smiled at the thought of The Plan as he bounced on his toes behind the podium, flicking a jab and then adjusting his soft, expensive leather jacket. The smile made his right eye all but disappear behind the swelling around it. It was hard to see The Plan quite so clearly after that, even for boxing’s Golden Boy. 



andy from newcastle:  Right enough of this. Can we start talking about the upcoming Mijares vs Munez fight. I suggest we all boycott commenting on any more DLH PBF articles on this site. Starting with me, eh, now.
Monday May 5, 2008
engler:  I cant believe oscar got away with the scam. Actually I can.
Monday May 5, 2008
donputo69:  cotto will destroy dlh and scareweather..
Monday May 5, 2008
Yuvie:  I couldn't agree more with andy. It shows how easily 'boxing fans' are won over, now suddenly we're supposed to get excited about a re-match of a fight that wasn't even debatable. Let's focus on something like Mijares-Munoz which will probably get very little press on this website. Maybe two columns at the most? I look forward to this fight a lot more than I do September, A LOT more.
Monday May 5, 2008
Radam G:  A BIG LOOK! Golden Boy at 154 didn't swell against Pretty Boy Floyd aka Money May, and would not. But at 147, he will swell lie a blow fish. When a person loses a large amount of water weight too quickly, he loses his immunities not to swell. At a higher weight, one has a lot more spongy collagen under the skin. When a fatso -- as Oscar has been for years -- quickly loses that water weight his collagen goes, he skins doesn't spread and bounce when hit, because it is now full of leather-like fiber. And fiber-full skin splits and puffs. Wet Spongy-skin -- full of collagen -- is why some boxers never get cut. And there is an old-school way to bouncy soften and sponge up your skin -- make the skin like a sponge -- so that you don't get cut. Even if you swell, you won't get cut. Just ask some of the old fighters -- even new ones -- who haven't ever been cut, and know the game. Money May is going to cut up, swell up and beat up a 147-pound Golden Boy. The bout will not last the distant. I'll take Money May in eight. A swollen up, closed-eyes Oscar will not come out for the eight round. Holla!
Monday May 5, 2008
BigDaddy74:  Radam G you're the perfect Mayweather fan...Delusional.If you were a real boxing fan,you'd put away the pom-poms and demand a real fight.Fraud should've been cleaning out the welterweight division years ago.But,thanks to people like you,Mayweather gets a pass.At least he finally he got a fitting nickname,"Money".Because he's all about making Money and not History.
Monday May 5, 2008
Radam G:  Whatever cheer ya! There is just one Money May --a butt-kicking, peerless, punch-raining and money-raining CHAMPION! a "Delusional" is figment of someone's imagination. Money May is straight-up the real deal. Sorry, Holyfield. Holla!
Monday May 5, 2008
Radam G:  My bad! Holla!...*he will swell like a blow fish. (Oscar is lying to himself. Joy Mayweather Sr is a lie.) Holla!
Monday May 5, 2008
Aficionado of Boxing:  Are donut and I the only one's in here who think that Cotto has the power and consistent jab that DLH doesn't have, with thunder in both hands that can beat Mayweather ? Cotto is a boxer/puncher who goes to the body hard and a left-handed jab and hook that makes anyone he fights look like they've been fighting a one-handed left hooking fiend who left their right hand at home in the junk drawer! Cotto is serious and he will defeat Margarito who has never fought anyone like Cotto. It's going to definitely be a candidate for Fight of the Year!
Monday May 5, 2008
donputo69:  i agree with you bigdaddy74..scareweather is all about money..not history..and when he retires from boxing he will be know as floyd"SCAREWEATHER"mayweather..for not fighting top contenders in his era..
Monday May 5, 2008
Rashad:  Nothing would make me happier for Oscar then for him to end Mayweather's undefeated streak, have an all out Hispanic war with Cotto, and maybe rematch Felix or fight Manny or Hatton for his third or last fight. It's just I don't see it happening. But give the man a break. He's about to retire and the judges gave the first fight a split decision, so let the man fight who he wants before he retires. He was the man who kept boxing popular through the years. He's a future hall of famer and he should go out how he wants too. The first fight wasn't bad at all, people's disappointment that it wasn't Hagler-Hearns 2 is what makes them think it was a boring fight but it was a solid fight and was pretty entertaining if you were rooting for Oscar because of the crowd. I see a clearer result for Floyd but I am looking forward too this rematch. Oscar will give everything he has and will go down swinging making it an exciting fight. Like a true champion and Hall of Famer that he is.
Monday May 5, 2008
Eastar:  How can you write so much, and make a big thing about swelling. Thie IS boxing, and Steve forbes DID land a lot of combos. Couple that with the fact that Oscar's skin is so damn light, and you really had nothing to write about Borges....On another note. All you "boycotting" the Money - Golden Boy 2 fight, won't you do us all a favor and boycott yourselves from posting hater comments!!!! Holla!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Aficionado of Boxing:  Oscar's ..." I know I can beat Floyd." sounds more like the same rhetoric that was being spewed prior to the first PBF-DLH fight. Oscar, who is already using the media, is a boxing genius, no doubt about it! How else could he have generated the highest anticipated/paying flop 10 years past his prime ? He may be older, slower and greedy but stupid he is not. Boxing people who are honest with themselves know that Oscar won't do as well as he did the first time around. Hence, the need for another story line...enter PBF Senior. Now we have another one of DLH's ,and PBF's for that matter, cleverly designed marketing tactics to fleece fans for another mega-payout! There's a saying that goes, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time!" Not I, this time around, I'll wait for the rebroadcast!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
rudy:  Agree with Rashad, no matter what Oscar is doing all he can to try do to defeat Mayweather, which definitely deserves our props for that. He will definitely be missed once he retires, although like I've said b4 the spoiler in mix is Antonio Margarito. Got a hunch that the two undefeateds at 147 there 0 will go in 08....Margarito KO 7 Cotto and....De La Hoya SD Mayweather........what a year that would be.....VIVA MEXICO CABRONES!!!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Robert Curtis:  More free passes for Oscar and Floyd. They write their own ticket and make fans pay for it. As businessmen, they are great wheeler-dealers, players, pimps, whatever. As fighters, there is no real game or gamble left in their souls. Oscar should stop hurting the sport with his pet vanity projects. He needs to go full time with promoting and stage better fights with better undercards. Floyd needs to stop thumbing through his Big Daddy roll and caressing the contents of his safety deposit boxes. You can't keep the hurt out of the hurt business for ever.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Arturo:  A HUEVO CABRON!!! But I don't think Oscar as the power or the speed to beat Floyd. He looked a little slow on Saturday and Floyd Sr. said that Oscar is lacking power.Why is Oscar so convinced that he is going to beat Floyd? Does he want Mayweather to lose just as bad as all the Money May Haters across the nation? Whoever wins from Cotto/Margarito should fight the winner of Oscar/Mayweather.The losers should fight each other too!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
rbk:  Deserves our props? For going through the motions for another undeserved paycheque in a fight that's already been done? For giving us a dull sparring session billed as a 'free fight' this past Saturday? For another HBO 24/7 where we can see the Golden one living it up in his palatial multi-millionaire dollar digs, the Pretty one flaunting his cash and the tired 'spat' between Floyd, his daddy and Uncle Roger? Come on bro......and no, Margarito will not beat Cotto.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Aficionado of Boxing:  Fight fans are tired of these staged fights. So predictable and just lacking that umph that'll get you out of your seat. You know what's a novel idea... let DLH-PBF fight then like Atruro said let the winners and losers have at it and then switch them one more time; so you'll have each fighter fighting the other at least one time! Can you imagine the draw on these fights. Why not? So if Cotto beats Margo he'll fight PBF and then he'll fight DLH. I know it sounds insane, but I love the game.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
rudy:  rbk, I feel you on that and cant argue -- meant more along the lines that at least he willing to face the best fighters around compared to PBF, who would rather cash in easy money doing 'sports entertainment.' But still, it is a shame that the biggest story in boxing is about two guys who are only half (not even) dedicated to the sport. And we'lll see in July if Cotto can last in the ring w/Margarito.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
nick:  so was it a fight and who won it can some one answer me ?
Tuesday May 6, 2008
paulbo:  I'd settle for anybody -- ANYBODY -- knocking the crown off Mayweather's arrogant head. Even if nobody out there is better than PBF, anybody with a punch is capable of a one-punch knockout. Floyd is not invincible. He's flesh and blood, and he has a human chin. Let's see it exposed just once to teach this bozo some humility.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Radam G:  The Cotto-Margarito bout has not been signed, sealed and delivered, yet. Robert Curtis, you should do more research on the original Sugar Ray. This dude pulled out of fight after fight. And there were many opponents, he would not fight. Talking about a business man in boxing, Sugar Ray Robinson was the best, and he didn't always fight the best. Check the record, Bob. I think you are being like a Baghdad Bob. "The USA is nowhere close to Baghdad," his famous words. Sugar Ray Robinson duck no one, yours. Sugar Ray Robinson is not only the original Sugar, he is the original "wheeler-deeler, pimp, player" and husler. Holla!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Madison:  I say antonio Margarito either beats cotto or comes close to it. then whoever fights the winner should also fight the loser of the two. they're both dangerous and anyone who says they are pound for pound needs to duke it out with both of them
Tuesday May 6, 2008
donputo69:  hey radam..dont you wish scareweather can say that?..he doesnt duck anyone?..lmao...keep on dreaming..holla back..
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Smiley C:  I am not a Cotto fan, but the dude can box, bang and down-and-dirty bomb. Margarito will not be able to throw punches like he is hitting the heavy bag. And he is wild and wide with his punches. I take Cotto to knock him out in short order. In about round six. Fo' sure!
Tuesday May 6, 2008
wayne:  I have a question. Why Doe's Oscar always put himself down. Oscar said so himself that Mayweather Sr is the trainer for him. Not the I question Oscar's judgement perhaps he is getting a little punch drunk. 8-5 or 8-4 in his last fight's with Mayweather Sr. Yeah trust me I will beat Floyd Jr. Hell indeed if I had a house I'd bet Floyd would beat Oscar again. Anyone want to put their house up that Floyd beats Oscar again. Do it.
Tuesday May 6, 2008
Yuvie:  I really don't see Cotto knocking Margarito out and I really can't see him winning over 12 rounds. If he does somehow knock Margarito out, that will be sensational. I see late stoppage by Margarito in a fight that will look a little like his fight with Diaz.
Wednesday May 7, 2008

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