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Friday May 2, 2008


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De La Hoya-Forbes. Upsets Happen

By David A. Avila

Whenever I hear boxing fans or experts say a fighter has no chance it makes me hesitate, especially when both fighters are former world champions.

 

Oscar De La Hoya steps into the ring for a final time in Southern California to face former junior lightweight world champion Steve Forbes at the Home Depot Center on Saturday. The fight set for 149 pounds plus one, is called “Homecoming” and will be televised on regular HBO.

 

De La Hoya is a huge favorite among odds-makers but they’ve made plenty of mistakes in the past.

 

Sure the East Los Angeles boxer who captured gold in the 1992 Olympics and won world titles in six weight divisions is the physically bigger guy, but under dogs do win.

 

Lets return 34 years ago when the MGM Grand in Las Vegas was located where Bally’s currently is situated and when the Jackson Five were hitting their stride. I was a young forklift driver with amateur boxing experience and all the talk was about the big fight coming up.

 

It was big, bad George Foreman the unbeatable behemoth who clubbed fighters down like so many rag dolls facing an ageing Muhammad Ali in Africa.

 

“I like Ali,” said this then 18-year-old to one dockworker.

 

Before you could say Joe Frazier there were 25 other warehouse workers running toward me to make $20 bets. I hesitated, then, thought about it in my head Ali beat Sonny Liston, why can’t he beat Foreman?

 

“Ok,” was my answer and the rest is history.

 

Ali beat Foreman and I didn’t have to quit work and move to another state. Ali was a huge underdog especially after Foreman destroyed Frazier to take the heavyweight title. The so-called boxing experts said Ali had no chance.

 

That’s not enough proof?

 

Let’s do another heavyweight fight because people seem to remember them more.

 

It’s 1988 and Evander Holyfield beats Carlos De Leon to unify the cruiserweight world titles. A friend of mine, a boxing expert watching the fight with me, says Holyfield could not fight at heavyweight. I make a bet with him that he cannot only fight at heavyweight, but he can beat Mike Tyson if they ever fight. About 20 people laugh out loud so I casually bet four of them right then and there. I also take their names down.

 

But before that fight happens, it’s 1990 and Tyson is about to fight Buster Douglas. The odds are staggering. Douglas has no chance say the odds-makers. Of course, we all know that Douglas knocked out Tyson.

 

A few years later, Holyfield does beat Tyson. I get my money from the one guy I can find. Actually, he finds me and scratches his head.

 

“You called it,” he says.

 

Upsets are not always predictable. But when one fighter is a defensive wizard and has never been knocked out, you got to give that guy his props.

 

Forbes lacks the power punch but that doesn’t mean he can’t beat De La Hoya.

 

“I’m a decision fighter,” Forbes says. “My game is being smart and being a boxer.” 

 

If you’re a true boxing fan, then you really want to see the fight that has “huge upset” written all over it. How many boxing fans have seen the Ali-Foreman fight?

 

Don’t listen to anyone who writes or says, “don’t watch this fight it’s a waste of time.”

Boxing is full of upsets. You don’t want to miss them.

 

Anybody ever hear of Billy Backus? How about Carlos Baldomir beating Zab Judah? Heck, even Israel Vazquez, yes the same Vazquez who recently fought three titanic clashes with Rafael Marquez, was a big 5-1 under dog against Oscar Larios in their third fight in Las Vegas.

 

The odds guys don’t always get it right and that goes for the boxing writers too.

 

You have to fight the fights.

 

And when those upsets come, man, they’re satisfying.

 

Who can say Carlos Quintana-Paul Williams?

 

If you want to go further back, I wonder what the odds were for diminutive Jack Dempsey to beat the giant Jess Willard?

 

It only takes one punch to change the outcome.

 

 


Contact David A. Avila @ TheSweetScience.com


Nuckle:  DAA youre becoming my favorite writer. You tell it like it is. Im going for Forbes. True Story
Friday May 2, 2008
Kool-Aid:  I agree that upsets are possible...but I don't think this fight will be one of them. ODLH TKO 8th rd. over Two Pounds in a fight that will be a good one to watch. And I hope that after Oscar loses to Floyd in September, he fights Cotto in December and goes out as a fighter who fought everyone.
Friday May 2, 2008
Robert Curtis:  One punch could change any fight and is not much of a theory. Someone's stocky grandma might knock out Oscar with a sucker punch. Forbes has some gifts and skills, but probably not enough to negate Oscar's obvious advantages. Oscar needs to use his jab and set something up early. Frankly, I will not be impressed by Oscar unless he wins by KO. That's what he'd need to do to Money to win and if he can't do it tomorrow, none of us should waste our PPV bucks in September. If Forbes can hang on to the middle rounds, then we've got a fight. But most likely, it will be a losing fight. Forbes throws crisp punches, but he is not a knockout artist. Unless Oscar walks into a big one, it's likely he'll walk away with the UD.
Friday May 2, 2008
Robert Curtis:  The one thing none of us can really know is what's going on inside Forbes's head right now. If he's focused, ready to fight 100% and shows up with a Marciano-sized attitude, well, we could get a surprise. The mind is the main weapon of any fighter. Even if the box is small, you can always think outside of it.
Friday May 2, 2008
Adrian:  Good points, but, I think an upset is unlikey to happen here. Forbes is not an Ali or Holyfield and Oscar is not Zab; neither is he an unknown. Sturm was a wildcard I agree, but he was a lot bigger than Oscar and undefeated and in his twenties. It really looks to me like Oscar will be able to win this comfortably, even by stoppage. He has more to lose than Forbes anyway. He did not look like a deteriorated fighter against mayorga or Mayweather. Hey, I'f I'm wrong Mr Avila, you get to say :I told you so".
Friday May 2, 2008
Aficionado of Boxing:  With all due respect this is not the heavyweight division and Forbes does not have "the one punch" to KO Oscar in any round. This fight reminds me of the pre Cotto-Gomez fight. " He's bigger than Cotto ... He could give him a run for his money!" ..."He has power!" was the overwhelming mantra. And what happened ? It was basically a model of how a WORLD-class fighter can dominate B-fighters. Of his last 6 fights 3 of them were on the "Contender"?? But to attempt to make the analogy with Ali and Holyfield is ridiculous! These two were world Class Olympians who got there shot! Not even close to a Steve "2 pounds" Forbes. Don't get me wrong, I'm watching the fight because it's "free" for those who have HBO. And if Forbes is a very defensive fighter, this will be an absolute bore! Oscar, will not take any chances because he's looking forward to the upcoming fight with PBH and Forbes just doesn't have the pop to KO him; although, I'm pulling for an upset as well. But like Robert said Oscar needs a KO to draw fans back to a fight that was less than inspiring the first time around. I for one have decided not to pay for the PBF-DLH 2.
Friday May 2, 2008
Radam G:  This is the Chinese Year of the Rat. And I smell a rat. A big one. I got a hunch that ODLH is going to have a bad night. Forbes is going to switch up and become a banging, popping, slipping and sliding, wrecking machine. Oh, yea! He is going (2 pound) the gold of out of the Golden Boy. But, like is so common in the hurt business, Oscar will survive defeat. The bout will end in a draw -- a bad decision, a hometown decision. Holla!
Friday May 2, 2008
rudy:  Oscar does need a KO bad, and it better not be bc of a 'body shot'
Friday May 2, 2008
zumwalt:  This is crap! Upset my you know what!
Friday May 2, 2008
Madison:  How many people in here think Oscar Ko's Forbes?
Friday May 2, 2008
paulbo:  OF COURSE there's a chance for an upset. If that chance didn't exist, we would haven't to waste time with the fight. Makes me think of Calzaghe-Manfredo, when few complained about the premature stoppage because Calzaghe was considered so superior to Manfredo. Excuse me? Then why put on a fight at all? If a boxer is seen as going into a fight with little more than a chance, I don't know why you wouldn't let the fight play to its bitter conclusion to see if he can turn that chance into a dream come true. Premature stoppages are stupid, almost as stupid as counting out a fighter's chances before the opening bell. Let's see what Forbes can do.
Friday May 2, 2008
Arturo:  Come on now, Oscar is going to make a genocide out of Steve's brain cells. I'll give Forbes a chance to last more than six rounds as a Left Hook Absorbing engineer and a part time jab tester. Some of you gave the other "Contender" a chance against Cotto, he got beat so bad I can't even remember his name anymore. Lets not try to make this fight Sat interesting !
Friday May 2, 2008
Emory:  Oscar will win, hands down. Should take him in about the sixth round. there is no hope for Forbes, it will be a miss matrch
Friday May 2, 2008
Madison:  its not interesting at all. its going to be an easy night, boring for the fans
Friday May 2, 2008
wayne:  Forbes has only 9 KO's. What does that tell you. This is a tune up fight for Oscar. If Forbes does win well then upsets do happen.
Friday May 2, 2008
Jimmy:  Oscar DelaHoya has alot of fight left in him, forbes is a bum from that no good reality show and doesnt have any business in the boxing ring with anybody. floyd mayweather needs to be put in a 8ft by 8ft ring in his next fight and stripped of his running shoes he is not a fighter he is a sprinter , he should be in this years olympics 500 yard dash. DelaHoya K.O 's forbes in rd 8.
Saturday May 3, 2008

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