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Forbes Swears He's In It To Win It
By Michael Woods
The photo concerned me.
That photo, up above, it got me thinking.
Not that it really should have. Not that Stevie Forbes has ever shown himself to be a dog. Not that he's ever given an indication that he'd be prone to giving anything less than his best effort come May 3, when he is handed the most massive opportunity of his fighting life, a scratch-off lottery ticket named Oscar De la Hoya. As with one of those scratch-offs, the odds against Forbes, fighting many pounds north of his preferred and most sensible fighting weight, are long.
He is not expected to win. He was not chosen by Oscar to win. He was chosen to put up a good fight, give viewers a good show, and to bring some of the same skills that Floyd Mayweather owns, into the ring.
He was chosen to exhibit some hand and foot speed, the ability to use angles, get in, get out.
He was chosen because he doesn't own the sort of power that could give Oscar a scare if he doesn't see a shot coming, and gets tapped on the chin.
He was chosen because he's been part of the "Contender" franchise, so there is a built in recognition factor that will help sell the fight.
I am hoping, and I am almost 100% certain, that he was not chosen to be a designated loser, to be a cooperative ally in The Plan.
The Plan, of course, is a rematch for Oscar with Money Mayweather. The Plan means major league money, bushels of it. The Plan means Oscar must beat Forbes, preferably in conclusive, and even impressive fashion, on May 3, so he can own some momentum going into another match with Mayweather.
I reached out to Forbes because there is a tiny sliver of doubt, of wretched cynicism, that lodged itself in my head when I saw that photo. The photo with Forbes, wearing a tiny grin, as if he'd already scratched that lottery ticket, and he'd already seen three symbols of a kind, and he'd already gone to the convenience store to pick up his winnings.
The photo shows Forbes, and Floyd Mayweather Sr. and De La Hoya. Nobody really has their game face on. Hey, the fight was far off, about six weeks away, when the photo was taken. Maybe it was too early for gamefaces.
But I wanted to know, needed some reassurance. So I got on the phone with Forbes, to ask him if he would truly be in it to win it on May 3.
"I'm coming in to win," said the 31-year-old former IBF super feather champion. "I am prepared to win. The event will not swallow me up. I envisioned myself in a megafight. I didn't think it'd be Oscar. But I will come in calm as usual, but a little more juiced."
But that photo. That pose with Floyd Senior. That longstanding relationship with all those Mayweathers. Senior, and Roger and Jeff have all trained Forbes, and he's boxed with Floyd so much.
Are you sure, I asked Stevie, if you are not, even subconsciously, going to go along for the ride, and not try like hell to screw up the plans for The Plan?
Bless Forbes, he didn't get offended at my line of thinking.
"Absolutely not," he said. "I have pride as an old school fighter. I didn't have to fight Demetrius Hopkins or Panchito Bojado. I'm not just going in there May 3rd to go in there."
Beyond that professional pride, Forbes has other considerations. His eight month old son, Kayden. His wife, Valerie. He has another child, age 10, Sentierra, from a previous relationship. There are clothes to buy, food to feed, college to save for.
When Oscar chose Forbes to impersonate Money, he screwed up, according to Forbes. "Oscar made the wrong choice," he said. "It's the right choice for me. I want to become a star myself."
No, Forbes said, he wasn't too irked when Floyd put his foot down, and forced his Uncle Roger to step away as Forbes' cornerman, saying that it was a conflict of interest. Another Uncle, Uncle Jeff, will instead work with Forbes to try and beat Oscar, and screw up The Plan, the September rematch between Oscar and Floyd.
"I wasn't pissed at all," he said. "It's not a problem. I think it should have been handled differently. But once it happened, it took two minutes to solve. I'm not upset with Floyd or Roger."
Forbes is actually counting on people like me thinking what I'm thinking. He's hoping we all think the event will swallow him up, that fans and experts dismiss him as another Contender pretender, that he's more aligned with the Mayweathers and is content to make a mill, and let Oscar and Floyd go about their business.
"I love," Steve Forbes tells me, "for people to think I'm just a tuneup. I'm nobody's stepping-stone. Hell, I'm coming to win."
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D:
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Man if I can only have one boxing dream on this earth please let steve forbes beat Oscar. Then the phony man can go away!
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Robert Curtis:
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Sure looks like a sweetheart deal, doesn't it? But Steve had no say in this match-up. He's got a family to feed and dress and who else was knocking? It's Oscar who has the power to pick and choose his opponents the way Steven Spielberg can pick his film projects. And did you see "Munich"? What a stink bomb. This fight couldn't have any less entertainment value. Well, at least we've got one hell of an underdog to root for if we're sick of Oscar or feeling sentimental that night. I think I'll hold onto my PPV bucks and go see a movie that night.
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Robert Curtis:
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My mistake. The fight is on regular cable. It's that damned coconut wine Radam turned me on to. I'm still going to the movies that night.
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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rudy:
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Glorified sparring session. He's there to try and immitate PBF. But Oscar aint fooling anyone, neither is Forbes acting like he is 'in it to win it' more like he is in it to get a career pay day and a beatdown. Nothing more than an exhibition....
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Radam G:
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Giggle, giggle, giggle, Robert Curtis. You just wanna go to the movies that night. You probably got a hot date. That Pinoy homemade coconut wine will make you serenade her. You will be one singing BOB. But then she will kick your butt, because you probably cannot hold a musical note. Stick with talkin' smack about the hurt business, Romeo wannabe (smile)! Now, getting back to that. I hope that Golden Boy doesn't screw up because I want to see Pretty Boy do another job on him. Just because Oscar got Joy -- Money May's father -- in his corner. What type of father is Joy? Coaching a man to kick his son's butt. And what type of business man is Oscar? Getting involved in a family fued? A good business man, but no ethics. It is all about money. Holla!
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Madison:
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you're right about that no ethics thing. thats something you stay the hell out of; promoting a father/son feud. anyway. We've probably all seen Forbes fight a few times before. I've seen him in at least 7/8 fights. He doesn't have the stuff to beat Oscar, although I wish he would and I'll be rooting for him. He just aint got it... no shot. Oscar will win my guess (no brainer) by KO. If he cant knock stevie out, a smaller guy, who in this little forum would actually pay the $39.95 or whatever the price is to see him cruise through another 12 rounds with floyd?
All I know is the only fight in this whole soap opera i really want to see is Cotto/Margarito. I like Margarito and have for years. Even though hes rated top 5 all over, people dont really know about him, but the boxers do and thats why they wont fight him. Hey, at least with those guys we'll see two fighters who wont duck anyone. REAL CHALLENGES.
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Arturo:
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I wonder if the rematch is going to make as much in ppv sales as the first fight.Not too many people agree with that Sept. fight being made , I hope it's at least 20 times better than the last time they met in the ring. That way it would be a descent boxing show. I think Oscar is a stubborn man that should just fight a toe to toe fighter like Margarito or Maybe Cotto and really go out with a bang. Then he can go ahead a hang up the gloves. Maybe even do a few commercials for Victorias Secret.
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Son of Sam Peter:
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I'll be pulling for Forbes big time. Anything to prevent Mayweather - De La Hoya 2, which is simply bad for boxing. It's a completely meaningless rematch of an unexciting sparring session.
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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Madison:
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lol good one Arturo. I agree with you. A De la hoya/Margarito fight would be the sh&$t!!! I would pay money to see that!!!! I know margarito would win that one!
And the second fight with DLH and Mayweather will be just as boring as the first. Definitely wont be worth the paying
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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donputo69:
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my prediction for dlh vs forbes?..wake me up when its over..ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZ...
Thursday Apr 24, 2008
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aficionado of Boxing:
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If ever there was a set-up this is it! It's a complete sham. Shame on the boxing establishment for this sad fight. And to question if Oscar is going to lose to one of HIS own "contender" groupies is ridiculous! Don't root for the underdog because it's not going to happen. Here are your reasons why in no particular order:
1. The rematch with PBF is already set.
2. Oscar, if he loses, will lose much more in potential revenue against PBF.
3. It's not going to be by decision b/c Oscar has to prove he can still fight! So Forbes has to hit the deck to generate interest in the rematch between him and PBF!
4. Did I mention that this match is a scheduled tune-up?
Any serious boxing fan knows that this fight is fixed!
COTTO-MARGARITO! Now that's boxing at it's finest!
Monday Apr 28, 2008
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Actions Speak So Loudly, Can't Hear What You're Saying
"Here's the problem with Winky, the man has OUTPRICED himself so many times that no one wants to even deal with him any more. Wright believes he's entitled to a fight with Pavlik or Oscar, but come on, a draw with Taylor, and he then refuses to do the rematch, followed by a easy win over Quartey, and then the UGLY fight with B-Hop. No one wants to see him after that. Winky needs to go back to the basics and work his way back to a big fight; sitting on the sidelines crying out for a $ fight ain't the way to do it. Get back in the ring. Actions speak louder than words."
---TSS reader Rudy gives Winky the business
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