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Thursday Aug 9, 2007

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ESQUIRE Says Boxing's Dead

By Michael Woods

Anyone tired of the "Boxing Is Dead" piece?

The concept feels a little 2006, but Esquire writer Chris Jones takes a stab at the subject in this month's issue, in a piece titled "The Last Boxer."

TSS readers won't find a parcel of fresh theories to chew on why the savage science has diminished in popularity since its heydays, the 50s, 70s and some of the 90s, but it's always interesting to read a MSM (mainstream media) treatment of our shared addiction, if only for fact-checking purposes.

Jones, a Canadian sportswriter, took in the De La Hoya/Mayweather May 5th spectacle, both the lead in and the underwhelming in-ring action. He came away feeling like boxing is pretty damned DOA.

Newsflash, I know, it's nothing that hasn't been blathered about in countless publications, on paper and onscreen, and judging by our comments section, many of you are tired of hearing about the "death" of boxing and bored of reading postmortems.

So some of you may not be tracking down the issue for that reason. Also, if you're the type who gets defensive about the sport when outsiders come in and take stock of the health and well-being of the fight game...well, you might get a bit miffed at Jones.

The writer shows the courage of communication that comes with knowing you will never see your subjects again when he describes Freddie Roach as "Parkinson's addled."

And describes Frans Botha as a "fat hobo."

And dismisses Wladimir Klitschko as a "chinless, spineless wonder as fraudalent as his PHd."

Freddie is pretty sharp, in my mind, and I wouldn't dismiss him as addled. The "addled" trainer could still whup me and the Esquire writer in a tag team brawl so I'm not in agreement with that word choice.

And Botha is no Hall of Fame lock, but he had far more technical chops than any hobo I ever met travelin' the rails.

And Klitschko is the best of the heavyweight brigade, a long tall man with ample coordination and ring savvy. He's no fraud, not after rebuilding his chin and his career the way he has.

Jones does make the going more interesting when he drops in a contention that the game is suffering, and has dropped to the gutter, because the chance that someone might get killed in the ring has been removed. He argues that we should tack on those extra three rounds.

Jones also says UFC has choked out boxing because the fighters are white, and so the Caucasians are following the fighters from discipline to discipline, that MMA is marketed well and there aren't so many sanctioning bodies reaching their fingers in to grab a piece of money pie and confusing watchers as to who the champs are. And most of all, he says, UFC is now king of the fight-sport hill, because most of the fights end in a KO.

In summation, not much new ground in the piece. I found myself, as you can read, defending the game from this outsider and his sarcastic slings. And good luck to the writer if the addled trainer, the hobo or the fraudulent heavyweight champ ever get their hands on him...

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SNOOPBEE:  BOXING IS NOT DEAD IN FACT IT IS BIGGER THAN EVER IN EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE USA BOXING IS ON ITS DEATHBED .IF BOXING IN THE USA CAN HAVE A FEDERAL ID THEN WHY CANT IT HAVE ONE LICENSE THAT WILL PERMIT A BOXER TO FIGHT IN ANY STATE WHY CANT WE HAVE THE SAME RULES AND MEDICALS IN EVERY STATE IF A BOXER BOXES IN LONDON ,HE IS LICENSED BY THE BBB OF C AND THAT LICENSE ENTITLES HIM TO BOX ANYWHERE IN ENGLAND .IN THE USA I BELEIVE THERE ARE 68 DIFFRENT COMMISSIONS AND EVERY COMMISSON RULES AND MEDICALS ARE DIFFRENT THIS IS A JOKE THE COMMISSONS AND THE WAY PROMOTIONAL CONTRACTS ARE WRITTEN HAVE KILLED THE SPORT IN THE USA ,AT LEAST ON THE EAST COAST THE CLUB FIGHTERS ARE GONE IN 90 %OF BOUTS THE WINNERS ARE IN ONE CORNER WHILE THE LOSERS ARE IN THE OTHER ESPN WHICH WAS PAYING $65.000 TWENTY YEARS AGO ARE NOW PAYING $15,000 A SHOW THE CONTENDERS from the usa are making peanuts WE ARE NOT CREATING STARS MADISON SQ GARDEN WHICH FOR YEARS RAN WEEKLEY SHOWS GOT RID OF THERE BOXING DEPARTMENT YET ARE WILLING TO LOSE $25.000.000 ON WOMENS BASKETBALL IF THEYTOOK THAT SAME $25.000.000 AND SPENT IT ON BOXING THEY WOULD ONCE AGAIN CONTROL BOXING THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLE AS MATCHMAKERS AND MANAGERS ANYMORE I HAVE NOT GOT A MATCHMAKING JOB IN NY SINCE THE GATTI-GAMACHE IN 2000 BUT I AM NOT BEING BLACKBALLED YET IN 5 OF THE LAST NINE MADISON SQ GARDEN SHOWS I DEVELOPED 4 OF THE MAIN EVENTERS AND ONE SEMI FINALEST KIRK JOHNSON,JAMEEL McCLINE ,PAULIE MALIGNAGGI CAVIN BROCK AND YURI FOREMAN .THE ONLY FIGHTER OF THE BUNCH STILL WITH ME IS YURI I TOOK CALVIN AND PAULIE TO THE MECCA YET GOT STIFFED AND THEN LET GO YOU KNOW IN THE OLD DAYS A HANDSHAKE MEANT YOU A HAD A DEAL BUT IN THE OLD DAYS THE USA STILL HAD THE MAJORITY OF THE BEST FIGHTERS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE WE STILL HAD MEN . WHAT I DO BEST I CAN T DO ANYMORE BECAUSE MOST FIGHTERS WORDS DON T MEAN A THING .ALSO IN THE THE BEST DAYS OF BOXING PROMOTERS PROMOTED THE BEST FIGHTS THEY COULD COME UP WITH MANAGERS LOOKED TO DEVELOP THERE FIGHTERS .PROMOTERS WERE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE A FINANCIAL INTREST IN A FIGHTER YET TODAY THEY SPELL IT RIGHT OUT IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY ARE ENTITILED TO BOOK FIGHTERS ON ANOTHER PROMOTERS SHOW AND TAKE 35% OF THE FIGHTERS PURSE THEN THE TRAINER TAKES ANOTHER %10 FIGURE ANOTHER %10 IN EXPENSES THEN THE MANAGER TAKES HIS 33 1/3 PERCENT .2% FOR THE CUTMAN IF A CHAMPIONSHIP IS ENVOLVED THE BODIES TAKE YET ANOTHER 3% WHAT THE COMMISSIONS ARE ALLOWING IS CRIMINAL BELEIVE IT OR NOT FIGHTERS WERE BETTER OFF WHEN PALERMO AND CARBO WERE IN CONTROL.YET IF I WORK OUT A DEAL WITH A FIGHTER AS AN AGENT OR ADVISOR AND TAKE ONLY 10% WHAT I AM DOING IS ILLEAGAL AS THE COMMISSIONS TRY TO SAY AN AGENT OR AN ADVISOR IS A MANAGER THATS PLAIN OUT AND OUT STUPID EVERYBODY KNOWS MANAGERS TODAY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING THEY ARE JUST THERE TO PUT THE FIGHTER ON SALARY UNTIL HE LOSSES THEN HE BECOMES JUST ANOTHER STIFF WITHOUT A SALARY ALL THE MUHAMMAD ALI ACT DID WAS STOP MINOR LEAGUE BOXING IN THE MIDWEST THE SALOUTION TO FIXING BOXING IS I COULD SIT DOWN AND WRITE IT UP IN 10 MINUTES HOWEVER GETTING PEOPLE TO ACT ON IT IS ANOTHER STORY IN THE OLD DAYS FIGHTERS HAD 200 FIGHTS AND NEVER GET PUNCHY YET TODAY YOU HEAR FIGHTERS SLIRRING THERE WORDS AFTER 30 .THE ANSWER TO THAT IS EASY FIGHTERS WERE ALLOWED TO FIGHT EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE GYM SPARRING 6 TO 10 RDS EVERY DAY DO THE COMMISSIONS REALLY BELEIVE THE PUNCH S IN THE GYMS DON T HURT JUST AS MUCH PLEASE IF YOU WERE SMART ENOUGH TO GET YOUR POLITICAL CONNECTIONS THEN YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US YET NOBODYS HASD THE GUTS TO ADMIT IT I WILL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT IF THERE ARENT CHANGES MADE TO THIS SRORT THEN IT SHOUD BE BANNED THINK OF SOME OF THE STUPID RULES IF YOU GET HIT LOW YOU CAN LAY ON YOUR BACK 5 MINUTES THEN RESUME THE FIGHT BUT IF GET HIT IN THE BELLY AND GO DOWN FOR 10 SECNDS YOU WILL BE SUSPENDED 60 DAYS FOR A KO LOSS ,WHICH IS WORSE ALSO WHEN A FIGHTER IS HIT LOW HE HAS UP TO 5 MINUTES TO RECOVER IF THERE IS A CLASH OF HEADS WHY ISNT THE CORNER GIVEN 5 MINUTES TO TRY TO CONTROL THE BLEEDING ,WHY IS IT THAT IN 90% OF BAD DECISIONS ITS TO THE PROMOTERS FIGHTERS BENIFIT WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IN MOST STATES ITS THE PROMOTER THAT PAYS THE OFFICALS NOT THE COMMISSONS . BELEIVE ME THIS SPORT NEEDS AN ENIMA OR IS GOING TO CHOKE ITSELF
Friday Aug 10, 2007 01:59:35 AM
Benito:  The German Philosopher and nihilist Friedrich Nietzsche posited the theory that "God is Dead." Well I have a new theory: Eqsuire is Dead! Screw that tabloid rag. I haven't heard a word about them since they had a piece on the Tate murders in CA and on the cover it said, "Evil Lurks in California." They're dead. Their writer's an idiot. UFC and boxing are two different sports and are mutually exclusive of one another. He's comparing apples to oranges.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 06:45:32 AM
Morrison HIV+:  I'd like to see Freddie Roach unleash a Gomez versus Gatti like beating on Esquire writer Chris Jones. A real beat-down. Not of the Cory Spinks "Jinx" variety. A mid-80's Tyson type beating. Parkinson's addled my ass. F**k him!
Friday Aug 10, 2007 06:50:39 AM
rudy:  WTF does this douche now bout boxing? nothing except for watching a mediocre(this is being kind) overhyped PPV event between two business men? Its BS for him to write this article, that be like me writing a piece on cosmo for women's fashion - What da hell do i know? People who talk trash about something they dont know should KEEP their mouth's shut! Did this writer watch Cotto-Judah, Vazquez-Marquez II, Katsidis-Amonzot, Linares-Larios, Margarito-Williams, Pavlik-Miranda, or the Ding-A-Ling Man's AMAZING KO of Nwodo? All of this and more has happened after the media-marketing machine that was this past Cinco de Mayo, stupid article by an IGNORANT writer.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 09:39:21 AM
Keith:  I don't respect writers who think they know boxing when they only watch PPV fights only. It's obvious that this writer, which I refuse to name because he is worthless, knows nothing about boxing. He lacks the class that any RESPECTABLE writer should have. To diss boxing is one thing, and thats ok if you don't like it, we the TRUE boxing fans get tired of the sport too. It's boxing and thats natural. But to disrespect an elite trainer such as Freddy Roach is taking it too far. He is what I like to call a weekend boxing fan.....Hates the sport sunday thru friday.....but has a boxing PPV party on saturday and acts like he knows what he is talking about. An as far as the magazine the Esquire.....does anybody still read that trash. The only Esquire mag I had was used to balance out my desk in college!
Friday Aug 10, 2007 12:04:07 PM
perry:  esquire a piece of junk tabloid and you know what i'll use it for, to wipe my ass...they have no business speaking on anything sports related...it may as well be a gay publication like details...next time i see an esquire on the newsstand i'm going to spit on it...i am furious with what he wrote...that muthafugher ruined my day.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 12:19:41 PM
Robert Curtis:  Freddie Roach is the only guy I've met personally that Chris Jones insulted. I've watched Freddie work with fighters and even asked him for advice on training and injuries. I'm not a pro or even an amateur and Freddie was totally friendly, helpful and completely approachable. Freddie is a top professional and a true mensch. His physical motor functioning looks barely impaired. And I can tell you from watching him work with champion fighters, the guy knows his business and stands no mess. Jones is obviously a writer with little promise going for cheap controversy. He's either dishonest, ignorant or unintelligent. No one who has met and spoken with Freddie Roach and seen him work would ever insult the man like that.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 02:20:10 PM
Saul:  stupid article written by a stupid man on a stupid magazine.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 02:40:26 PM
Vincent:  Calm down people; its a free country, Canada included, he can have his own opinions. This is the way columnists and pundits go today, from Ann Coulter style nuts in politics to this person who I know nothing about. No sense or substance; just a lot of screaming and anger and slanging people....lets not add to it. The boxing public support their sport and thats the bottom line. We know where the real action is, we know the true champions and the efforts they put in and we appreciate it...and so do HBO/ESPN/Showtime.
Friday Aug 10, 2007 04:57:36 PM
sherwin:  i hope klitschko cross paths with that dork, nail him with a left hook and throw him in a garbage dump.
Saturday Aug 11, 2007 04:10:15 AM
Amy:  Parkinson's addled is exactly what Mr. Jones would be if I got 3 minutes with him for criticizing Freddie Roach. I'd beat him so bad his mama wouldn't or couldn't take care of him. She'd be too ashamed.
Saturday Aug 11, 2007 11:14:05 AM
Rick:  Esquire is still around??? I'm shocked. Chris Jones probably got his vocational writing degree in his high school in Idaho. Not to worry boys!!
Saturday Aug 11, 2007 12:05:31 PM
Nurse Ratched:  SNOOPBEE - Please turn off the caps lock. I read it and had to balance one foot on the floor and one hand on the wall just like when I had the spins from drinking too much.
Saturday Aug 11, 2007 12:43:12 PM
Radam G:  Esquire's Chris Jones is a dirt bag of journalism trying to find some copy to up his ante and failing career. He has to pay bills, as all of us have to do. So Chris will trash The Sweet Science to hype up haters. There is not much one can say about Chris's piece other than -- "It was a tabloid piece of sh*t." Boxing will live on long after Chris, Esquire and we all are long DEAD! The Sweet Science is in the house forever. But the UFC and MMA will be buried in a few years.
Saturday Aug 11, 2007 02:31:44 PM
Anonymous user:  This guy is an assclown.....
Monday Aug 13, 2007 11:02:39 AM
BOYCOTT ESQUIRE:  What a jerkoff. A jerkoff! First of all, his theory that the "UFC has choked out boxing because the fighters are white" is absurd. Look at the heavyweight division today (the most important division in the eyes of the mainstream media). Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragamov, Oleg Maskaev, Nicolai Valuev, etc, etc, etc. All of these guys are white. Every title holder is white. The only notable black heavyweight right now is Sam Peter. I hope Freddie Roach opens up a Sam Peter versus Jeremy Williams left hook on this guy. Parkinson's addled my ass! Boycott that rag!
Monday Aug 13, 2007 11:41:25 AM
Amy:  Pisses me off all over again to see that comment about Freddie Roach. I have an OLD Esquire- only reason I got it was a feature on Ann Wolfe in the rag. If she wasn't a friend, it would have been burned the moment I read his bullshit essay. Freddie walks over better trash in the Wild Card gym parking lot.
Monday Aug 13, 2007 11:11:17 PM
Aileen W:  I literally -and this is no joke- purchased Esquire, put it in my purse (yes, I'm a female and just happen to be an avid boxing fan), and went to the restroom at work and both urinated and defecated on it. My husband is also a huge boxing fan and he gave me his full support. He only asked that I be discrete. Let's just say mission accomplished! Freddie Roach has too much class to respond. So, I felt compelled to respond to that tabloid rag in my own poetic way! Esquire, f**k you!
Tuesday Aug 14, 2007 12:11:02 AM
Adam:  I would have to partially agree with Mr. Jones. Boxing may not be dead, but it sure is dying. And who's to blame? At the top of the list I put greedy promoters and over-cautious trainers and fighters. PPV's nowadays are a complete joke (with weak undercards) and the top fighters of the recent and current era-- Floyd, RJJ, BHop, & Winky are all slick dancers or awkward, defensive fighters who's styles are not particularly entertaining. Sure, we had Gatti and Tito, and we still have Pacquiao and Barrera but boxing needs more than just two great mega-fights per year to stay healthy and in the mainstream. And let's face it, while we as boxing afficionados can appreciate the skill and beauty in watching world class Featherweights go at it, the avergage sports fan doesn't and they certainly won't shell out $50 to see it. Another huge problem boxing faces is getting the next generation of atheletes involved in the sport. With skyrocketing salaries, exposure and endorsement deals in Football, Basketball and Baseball, I just don't think boxing is attracting the talent it used to. If you were a gifted young athelete, would you rather make free throws and star in Nike commercials or get bashed in the head? Nuff said. Lastly, as much as I love boxing, I also think MMA is very exciting with lots of action. Just Google"Fedor Emelianenko", "Mirko Crocop", "Sakuraba", "Wanderlei Silva", or "Shogun Rua" and you'll find tons of action. I certainly hope the next generation of stars are great but in the meantime, I'll be watching both Boxing and MMA.
Wednesday Aug 15, 2007 12:46:41 AM
rudy:  Boxing aint dying...have u looked at the fall schedule? Cotto-Mosley, Floyd-Hatton, Taylor-Pavlik, Calzaghe-Kessler - all fights at 147 and up.....retract your statement fool!
Wednesday Aug 15, 2007 01:11:51 PM
Rolly Polly Man:  Boxing surely is dying. That poor PPV events marks it well. People say about the De la Hoya vs Mayweather bout, but that was just because of the huge promotion the fight came up with. I dare to say that was boxing's last huge event. No one's to blame, not just boxing, but sports as well. Kids decades ago had fun practicing sports, now every kid play video game, and there's less and less children interested in sports. Not just boxing, but sports itself is fading away.
Thursday Aug 16, 2007 05:24:51 PM
Zoe:  Rudy, there's only ONE PPV worth buying for the remainder of the year and that's Pacman-Babyface. And Fedor would make Klitschko his b-tch!
Friday Aug 17, 2007 02:15:18 AM
rudy:  Sorry but Cotto-Mosley is FOR SURE PPV worthy, Hatton-Mayweather is too - BUT you fools who aren't TRUE fans of THE SWEET SCIENCE should realize that BOXING has a SICK fall/winter line up - Zab Judah is on FNF on 9/7, Marquez-Juarez is PPV worthy bc of the loaded undercard, how about HBO WCB with Taylor-Pavlik and Andre Berto on the undercard - legit #1 contender against the true champ of the division, Chad Dawson the #1at LHW IMO on Showtime on 9/29, Oct. 6 Barrera-Manny (no words needed to describe the PacMan's fights) and Peter-Maskaev on the same date, October 13th D-Day: Juan Diaz v. Julio Diaz on HBO BAD, Sultan-Holyfield on ESPN, Nov 3rd Calzaghe-Kessler at Super Middle: probably the biggest fight in division history and again the true champ v. the true #1 contender, Nov 10 Cotto-Mosley possible FOY candidate, a week later two great fighters at Super Featherweight clash on HBO BAD Humberto Soto faces Joan Guzman and you get to see exciting prospect Abner Mares on the undercard.......How is boxing dying with all of these action packed bouts lined up? if you dont know bout it - SHUT UP!
Friday Aug 17, 2007 11:59:25 AM
perry:  i agee with ms. aileen w's decision to shit on esquire at work because its a rag that has no merit at all...id really like to see mr. freddie roach treat this writer like michael vick treats poor performing dogs.
Saturday Aug 18, 2007 10:41:08 AM
ace:  to all the ones that say boxing is dead and think theres no good fights out there i have one question WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING VISITING BOXING WEBSITES?
Sunday Aug 19, 2007 01:56:39 PM
Salt lover:  rudy you really are an incompetent and ignorant good-for-nothing, fanman. You know nothing about boxing nor sports. Action packed of what??? Of all the fights you just mentioned, only PBF vs Hatt'n, Cotto-Mosley, and Claz-Kessler, the rest are piece of crap fights. Who the hell's gonna pay to see Julio Diaz? Oh right, only you. You think you know your boxing but it's crap of what you know. Cotto-Mosley fight of the year? Mosley's gonna knock Cotto out cold in the 9th or 10th. Now don't talk about Cotto's heart, this or that, 'cause that's what you said about Margo vs Williams and look what happened. Holyfield?? That guy's still alive?? HBO BAD??? Please, only the stadium janitors watch those crap fights. And you in your house.
Monday Aug 20, 2007 05:25:02 PM
canuckistan:  you fools dis the writer for not doing his research, without even doing your own research. idiots! Jones covered countless fights and profile pieces for Canada's national post in the late 90s, wrote a book about a year covering the sport and yet you refer to him as a ppv guy? fools.
Thursday Nov 6, 2008 07:29:54 AM

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