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Monday May 7, 2007

Sugar has covered the game since 1969. He almost chokes on his stogie when he hears Floyd compare himself to Sugar Ray Robinson.

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Bert Sugar Sour on May 5 Card, PBF

By Mike Lynch

Despite the efforts of nutritional science and fad dieters, purveyors and  consumers of the sweet science still know there’s no substitute for Sugar.

On Monday afternoon TSS spoke with noted boxing historian Bert Sugar for his perspective on Cinco de Mayo’s World Series of Hype. Sugar’s seen it all (or so it seems) and offered some interesting thoughts on the fight, the fighters, and the significance of the entire storm.

 

“I don’t think any fight short of Ali/Frazier I could live up to the hype [surrounding this fight],” offered Sugar when I asked the obligatory question about how ODH/PBF delivered the goods. “It might not have been the fight of the century, but it was the promotion of the century.”

 

Sugar even suggested that perhaps the fight was marketed too well. Now there’s an interesting thought. Is there not a point where something becomes so hyped that it can’t possibly meet or exceed expectations? This fight may have set records, but I doubt many customers, particular the newbies targeted, walked away feeling that they got more than their money’s worth. In that regard this fight nearly set itself up to be the “Ishtar” of boxing.

 

As Sugar put it, “It was for the hardcore purists. I don’t know if this fight won over the ‘look-see’ fans. It had all of the tactics we expected, but it missed some of the drama and the ‘wham bam, thank you ma’am’ that some were expecting.” He went on to compare it to bringing someone to a baseball game for the first time only to witness both pitchers working shutouts. For a huge baseball fan that would be the experience of a lifetime, but the beginner would surely be confused why the hell 40,000 people showed up for it.

 

The other problem with the promotion was the barren undercard. “I couldn’t get up to use the restroom enough,” quipped Sugar. No offense to the fighters, but this card should have been a huge growth opportunity for the sport. “Boxing should have used a strong card to grow the fan base,” according to Sugar. But in the culture of boxing that sort of responsibility is for suckers. It’s safer for Golden Boy to stick with its own stable, I suppose. And to their credit, they certainly displayed ample manure accumulation from said stable. But enough of flogging a dead horse…

 

What about the actual fight?

 

Two things caught Sugar’s attention during this bout. First of all, he was surprised that Mayweather was able to match De La Hoya’s power, particularly late in the fight. He was also impressed with De La Hoya’s handspeed early in the scrap. The fight essentially went as he expected otherwise. Like the rest of the world, he had predicted Floyd by decision.

 

I had it going in almost even, with Floyd my choice because of his speed,” said Sugar. “Floyd’s right lands starting in round eight were devastating. He was supposed to have fragile hands, but they didn’t appear to bother him,” added Sugar, shocked by the damage PBF was able to inflict on the larger De La Hoya on the occasions he was actually moved to deal.

 

Sugar was also impressed with Oscar, but the younger, quicker man at the top of his game was simply too much for him. He agreed that perhaps half of the rounds in the fight could have been scored for either fighter, though, and he even witnessed scorecards on press row ranging “anywhere from 9-2-1 Mayweather to De La Hoya winning convincingly.”

 

Finally, I broached the topic of Floyd Mayweather and his precious legacy. In my own average idiot’s opinion, I think Mayweather is obsessed with this issue. So obsessed that he does not want to risk getting hurt or embarrassed in the ring. With his handspeed, accuracy and above average pop he could be a true fan-friendly legend, which is the irony of his predicament. Instead he wants to maintain his perfect record, which actually alienates the fans who will ultimately assign him his place in history. But I’m sure his posse of yes-men are still enamored with him.

 

How about a boxing historian’s take:

 

“Sugar Ray Robinson rolls over in his grave when Mayweather puts himself at that level. But he is one of the most gifted fighters I have seen.”

 

But how can he prove himself as one of the all-time greats?

 

When he shows me he can knock out anybody with one punch going backwards.”

 

Hallelujah, Bert.

 

As great as PBF has proven himself to be, aggression will always be a key ingredient to any all-time great boxer.

 

Despite his “retirement”, Floyd is just 30 and has time to prove all of his doubters wrong, yet.

 

As for Oscar, Sugar believes he will return to the ring and said “boxing’s ATM machine” displayed that he has plenty left in the tank and should make his farewell to the ring with a victory.

 

Oh, and he most definitely does NOT want to see a rematch.


Sugar would also like to add that he is currently working on a book with Angelo Dundee, “My View from the Corner” featuring a foreword by Muhammad Ali. Look for it around Christmas time.

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Donaldkingy:  If you want to gain fans in boxing, then why try to force feed them something that isn't true? Mayweather is simple a flag football example of the true contact sport that is football. As in mma! They tried to ban mma in the 90's. Now that doesn't work they try to make their sport "boxing"less barbaric since it obviously can't match that of mma as far as violent action or even exciting action.Or shall I say excitement as in" Sugar ray robinson".you know a fighter with the capabilities to fight. I'd bet mma fans would respect a fighter such as Sugar Ray Robinson if there were such a thing today. We get the gig A holes. By the way has Floyd ever knocked anyone cold with a single punch? Remember real men do watch this sport!
Tuesday May 8, 2007 02:40:11 AM
Olugbenga Rotimi:  PBF is an all time great period. There are few fighters who do or bring to the table what he does and certainly no else today. He is a talent comparable to Muhammed Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Hagler, Duran and the other all time greats. It is not his fault that he makes the best fighters of his era pedestrian but that is how good he is. Class wins everytime. He beat the best available to him in his era in every division. The only division where you can say he did not beat the best was Junior Welterweight but this was because Tyzu was injured for several years, Hatton refused to fight him and Arum refused to risk his investment in Cotto. What did Floyd do he beat Gatti who was the WBC champion and went up in weight and took care of Judah, Baldomir the true & linear champion and took care of Oscar De La Hoya and the hype that surrounds De La Hoya. Game set and match. I predicted this outcome since last year when the match was mooted but the Oscar lovers and the hate PBF bandwagon would not believe it. On Saturday you saw the difference between an all great fighter for the ages and a very good fighter who for some reason is immeasurably popular.Unfortunately popularity does not win fights or make a fighter great otherwise Vinny Pazienza, Barry McGuigan & Arturo Gatti would be all time greats. Rather it is Julio Cesat Chavez, Azumah Nelson and PBF that are all time greats based on accomplishments. ODLH is an interesting case study. Is he an all time great? No. His resume can look impressive but is very flawed in that he has a lot of big names on hios resume however the wins were against fighters on the decline. When he fought genuine 50/50 fights against Mosley twice, Trinidad, Mayweather and Hopkins he lost. In reality he lost to Felix Sturm, Ike Quartey and Pernell Whittaker. Credit goes to him for his bravery against Quartey because he was hurt and intimidated yet he rallied in the last round but objective analysis indicates he falls short of true all time greatness. Though he is a hall of famer yes he is.
Tuesday May 8, 2007 09:14:29 AM
Kam Steele:  I am sick of people picking on PBF. Like it or not his aim is to get a "W". Sure there might be some things I might want to see done differently, but his style is his style. There is not going to be another Sugar (Robinson or Leonard), Ali, Frazier etc so stop trying to compare him with them, but PBF is a true talent. Lest we forget he did very well against Castillo, Gatti, Corrales, Angel Manfredy, Genaro Hernandez who are also talented Boxers in their primes (except Gatti) , yet he defeated them soundly. On the other hand Oscar can't say the same, and in all of his big fights he has floundered. If yopu truly want to rip something, look at the Heavyweights, they are a digrace. At least PBF comes to the ring in great shape, and he does give a clinic on hit without being hit if possible. I have no problem with it, after all I would like to see him in retirement without slurred speech. And for all of you so quick to say hoe he is supposed to fight get "your" butts in the ring, and show us how it's done. Stop the hate
Tuesday May 8, 2007 12:23:57 PM
zakaryiahism:  I agree that Floyd Mayweather doesn't engage or throw wild one punch bombs, but that isn't his style, he is not a heavyweight or Tommy Hearns, he is a smart, quick, and artist of the sweet science. People forget how small Floyd is, but when he was in the ring with oscar, i saw a HUGE size difference, and yet none of the announcers brought that up during the fight because Floyd's speed and accurate and crisp punches distracted them. I think that post-Mike Tyson fans of full contact sports were spoiled with Iron Mike's quick and devastating KO's, and expect that from their champions. So fans have moved to cheap barbaric sports like MMA, Pride, UFC, etc- crap basically. Steroid juicing meat heads, who swing WIDER than Tiger Woods golf wings, and end up rolling around on the floor like a chip and dale's after party...for 15 minutes if that. PLEASE. GIVE ME A BREAK. Boxing is a GENTLEMANS sport. So for all you gentleman....study the Floyd Mayweather and Oscar fight, watch in slow motion, watch it twice if you have to. Yes you will not see a KO, or Oscar choking Mayweather cold. But you will see the smaller man at 147, outsmarting, outlanding, frustrating, and at more times than the announcers commented BACKING UP oscar at 154lbs. It was truly an accomplishment for Floyd, and maybe for boxing.
Tuesday May 8, 2007 12:49:11 PM
marlon:  PBF is the real deal, To be a great boxer,you do not have to knock out your opponents (see Iron Mike Tyson) you have to out class them. PBF has done this in the vast majority of his fights except for Castillo I. PBF will not be defeated by the current crop of fighters or even up and comers, because none of them have a clue about how to box. Boxing is a simple sport, four basic punches, but it is difficult to grasp, because it makes the majority of its practitioners think that they have it figured out. Getting beat around the ring is not what boxing is about. PBF has discovered the science and the art of boxing, thereby making it the sweet science, which will be the closest thing to true boxing we will see in our life time
Tuesday May 8, 2007 02:16:03 PM
Anonymous user:  there will never be another sugar ray robinson, or anything close to a machine like that. Floyd is a great talent now, and there aren't many good fighters left to prove otherwise, so just deal with it. Enjoy the footage Robinson left behind and stop comparing these fighters to him. Boxing will never be the way it was 50 years ago.
Tuesday May 8, 2007 03:45:27 PM
rudy:  Bert Sugar speaks the truth!!!!!!! LISTEN TO HIM!!!!!!!! Fraud Gayweather doesnt belong in the same sentence with the greats of the sport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STAY RETIRED PBF, dont ever claim something that you are not even close to achieving
Tuesday May 8, 2007 04:52:07 PM
Russell:  Put him in with undefeated WBA Super Welterweight Champ Travis Simms at 154lbs.
Tuesday May 8, 2007 06:36:09 PM
ace:  floyds next sport should be dodge ball since he has dodged very well all the top opponents in the sport of boxing what a chump.
Friday May 11, 2007 03:37:29 AM
someonewhoknowsmore:  floyd is the most talented fighter in the world, maybe even the most talented fighter ever. I give him no credit at all. He did not use slick boxing, he just ran away. I personally think oscar won even though floyd just ran around him. Talent wise, boxers fly above mma fighters, however, if floyd were to step in the octagon with anybody on tuf5, he would get torn apart. Boxing should have one head honcho, like dana white, and it would be a much bigger sport. Bigger than mma, up there with pro baseball, and football.
Saturday May 12, 2007 07:24:42 PM
john:  floyd is good
Saturday May 12, 2007 08:24:52 PM
jackson:  who is pbf?
Tuesday Jun 5, 2007 07:16:06 PM

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