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Floyd Wins, Boxing Loses
By Michael Woods
Floyd said it would be a massacre before the fight.
He called it a masterpiece afterwards.
It was neither, and once again, the biggest loser in the whole scheme of things was the sport of boxing. And of course, the fans who paid up, and were promised a classic, and got something far less than that.
We were promised a Super Bowl of boxing on May 5, and it was like one of those recent NFL season finales that was over late by the start of the fourth quarter.
The crowd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday evening was a gracious bunch as they saw Floyd Mayweather fight his typical fight, and bring precious little of the toe-to-toe ferociousness he promised he would bring to the table, because they didn't boo the ears off him.
Mayweather took a split decision (116-113, 115-113, and one guy, in need of a well-trained dog, scored it 115-113 for Oscar), but on an evening when he needed to hit a walk-off home run, and give the sport an injection of growth hormone, PBF laid down a suicide squeeze.
Now the owner of the WBC junior middleweight title, Mayweather (38-0), save for the odd lead right that tagged De La Hoya chose to hurl one punch at a time, and then scamper to safer ground rather than risk absorbing a De La Hoya hook.
The 34-year-old loser, who will come away with enough money to bankroll his promotional outfit and snag any attractive free agent in the sport for the next couple of years, didn't disgrace himself. Neither fighter hit the canvas in the bout, and there were precious few telling blows landed.
The 154 pound De La Hoya (38-5) didn't look out of place against the man some regard as the game's best pound for pound hitter, if you don't factor in entertainment value in the P4P equation. But at the end of the night, only Tom Kaczmarek, imported from New Jersey to get it wrong, thought he did enough to win.
Probably about 1.5 million households ponied up $54.95 to watch this showdown, and we were inundated with a barrage of promotion in the last four months that whetted our appetites and raised our expectations to a sky high level. It became apparent in the first third of the fight that Floyd wouldn't be transformed into a different sort of fighter on this night.
It became clear that he would stay Floyd "One And Done" Mayweather, and work from the playbook "Winning The Wille Pep Way." And it was sadly apparent that boxing didn't get the superlative Super Bowl it needed. In the MGM Grand, Dana White probably grinned his crap-eating-est, and plotted the PPV card that will break this fight's revenue number.
The Boston media has a saying to explain the bizarro antics of goofball Boston Red Sox outfielder Manny Ramirez: they just say, "It's Manny being Manny."
On the night of May 5th, it was a case of "Floyd being Floyd," and the sport needed more than that. To stave off irrelevance, to defend the UFC's chokehold application, to stem the tide of an aging fan base, we needed a thriller, a back and forth beef with more whacks than a Sopranos episode. Didn't happen.
Most of the discredit has to be directed at the 150-pound Floyd, age 30, who we can now conclusively say, is an entertaining persona, but not a spectacularly entertaining fighter.
All due respect to his technical wizardry, his stellar coordination and footwork and pinpoint accuracy...but if Floyd Mayweather does in fact retire, as he promised he would before this fight and reiterated to Larry Merchant afterwards, I will not cry a river. Or even a pond.
Because, in the fashion of Roy Jones, Mayweather is too defensively oriented to produce thrilling theater. No fighter likes to get hit, but some dislike it more than other. And as Floyd showed against Oscar, so often tossing one measured blow and then ducking for cover, he is so hesitant to get hit that he simply cannot force himself to set down on his punches and risk getting nicked by return fire. And a fighter of this ilk will never, ever, attain the sort of acclaim that Floyd feels he has earned. We will look back on his career and speak reverently of his technique. But his time in the ring will not be thought of as an era unto itself.
Mayweather is well suited for his own reality show, as his braggadocio and misbehaviors and familial soap operatics provide ample drama. But as a boxer, the reality is, Floyd cannot and will not emerge now as the standard bearer for the sport.
By the third round, anyone who watched his 24/7 workouts, and recalled that Mayweather tried to throw 10,000 punches in a workout, would be well within their boundaries to wonder why the *@#$ he was throwing 35 punches in a round?
A man with his hand speed, at his weight class, should be throwing double that, each and every round. When he doesn't, he is telling, you, and me, and the other 1.5 million who plunked down the money, that he is holding something in reserve, that he refuses to give his all. And while that may bring you 38 wins, and nary a loss, and multimillions of dollars, it will not bring you the level of respect you feel you are owed, Floyd.
In the fourth round, the MGM sounded like a college library during Spring Break. Jim Lampley ringside could have heard an rat fart in the balcony.
One person who was impressed was Floyd Mayweather Sr., who told Merchant afterwards that he thought Oscar won. Thus insuring that he and his son will not be hugging it out and ending their deep freeze of a relationship.
In the eighth round, working from my home office, I was scanning the crowd for celebs. There's J-Lo, I yelled to the friends and family who piled over. And Spiderman, whatsisname, Tobey Maguire!
Ouch.
That's not what we were promised. And Oscar tried. He wasn't particularly sharp--he acted like he was getting money deducted from his purse for throwing jabs--and basically this one unfolded as I predicted it would.
I took a little heat from pro-Oscar emailers who didn't like that I said Floyd would take this one easily, and you know what? I wanted to be wrong. I wanted Oscar to act less than his age, to shake off the rust like Clark Kent sheds the civilian clothes before he dons the Superman suit.
I wanted Floyd not to be like Floyd, just this once. I wanted him to think about what he wanted his legacy to be. I wanted him to understand that he's an entertainer, and when people pay big money to watch him in action, they expect more than "one and done," and 35 paltry punches a round.
Larry Merchant asked during the ninth round, a round that Floyd took off, Oscar's last energized round, how Floyd can be considered a great fighter when he so often throws one punch at a time? I'll answer--he can be considered great, and can make the Hall of Fame. But he cannot, even in passing, with a straight face, hope to be lumped in with the Sugar Rays, or The Greatest. Not...even...close.
You are a master, Floyd, at what you do, but what you do will not elevate you to all-time status, on the short list with the heavy hitters, the icons.
How you fight won't make me, in 2047, as I sit with my other old fart buddies and talk about the greats of yesteryear, wax nostalgic about what a master you were. My guess is, I'll be more likely to talk about Gatti/Ward I, or Corrales/Castillo I, or Buster Douglas when he upset Tyson, than I will about a guy who cared more about winning at all costs, and not getting hit, than he did about fighting in a bold, offensive oriented manner, and pleasing the customers who put all those much celebrated Benjamins in his pocket.
And that's Floyd's prerogative, and when he has his marbles in 2047, and still looks handsome, then he can tell me he was right, and I was wrong. But now, and then, he cannot tell me he's in the same league as the Sugar Rays and The Greatest.
I'll defer to Larry Merchant. Because he's the best boxing analyst of his era, and any era, I offer, unless you can submit me inarguable proof otherwise, in summing up this match, titled with grandiose excess, "The World Awaits."
"We have a boxing match which doesn't quite live up to the hope and the hype that we wanted," Merchant said during the eleventh round.
Amen, Larry. You speak truth to power, and in this day and age, that maybe makes you a target for dismissal. But boxing needs to be told the truth. Same thing goes for Floyd. He needs to be told that he isn't close to the Sugar Rays and Ali when it comes time to make the pound for pound all-time list.
Floyd, who enjoyed a 207-122 edge in punches landed, told Merchant that he will indeed retire.
"I have nothing else to prove, I made a ton of money, these years are important to my children," PBF said.
Enjoy the Benjamins, Floyd, and enjoy the time with the kids. Just don't be surprised if the only ones agreeing with you when you discuss your legacy and put yourself up there with the Sugar Rays and Ali is your posse.
You had a chance to edge up closer to that sacred ground, but to paraphrase the words of Angelo Dundee, You blew it, son.
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docmts2:
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What occurred on cinco de mayo was to be expected. FM moved up very quickly to the 154 lb. weight class and then fought a much bigger man while only weighing around 148 lbs himself. There was no way under the sun that he was going to KO OD. On the otherhand, OD faced the very best technical boxer of this era and had little chance of winning unless he got lucky and KO'd FM. The bottom line is that the bookmakers, people who set the odds based on historical fact because their livelihoods depend on getting it right, actually got it right before the fight ever occurred. They predicted the fight would go the distance and that FM would win by decision. That may not be exciting, but it is reality. As for FM's legacy, what more can you ask of him other than to win each and every time he fights? Which other fighter mentioned here has accomplished such a feat? Who would you put before FM now to truly test him? Is he one of the greatest fighters of all time or a victim of the lack of talent plaguing this particular boxing era? As for Larry Merchant, he's the true hype without substance; with his corny metaphors and arrogant disrespect of so many fighters who have risked life and limb to earn a living while Mr. Merchant himself never, ever possessed the ability to punch his way out of a feather-filled paper bag.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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me:
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YOUR POST IS ABSOLUTELY NEGATIVE.
MAYWEATHER BABY!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Sunday May 6, 2007
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DAWOUD:
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MAN I AGREE WITH YOU 100 % FLOYED WILL NEVER EVER BE UP WITH SUGER AND ALI. ONCE AGIN THE MONEY GETS IN THE WAY OF WHATS REALY IMPORTENT... GOING OUT THERE AND FIGHTING YOUR HEART OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO. IF SOMETHING BIG DOSENT HAPPEN FOR BOXING SOON ITS GONA DIE OUT TO UFC AND PRIDE FIGHTING FASTER THEN ALIS RIGHT JAB..BUT GREAT ARTICL MAN YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Doug:
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Michael,
I appreciated the honesty of your article. I enjoyed boxing for many yrs. I will never forget when Joe knocked out Ali. The Norton/Ali fight. Ali was the greatest, but he also demanded his opponents brought their best to the table.
My unhappiness with Pro sports has to do with money. Be careful now! don't play too hard and get hurt because then you won't be getting your millions. Sponsors, gamblers, owners and agents all want a piece of the pie.
The first round upset of Dallas by Golden State surprised me because GS put it on the line and I'm not used to seeing Pro players go above the call of duty. Maybe GS should get some kind of a Medal.
I've sensed for a long time that boxing was fading away. Maybe athletes have wised up and getting punched in the head doesn't appeal to them anymore.
Thanks,
Doug
Sunday May 6, 2007
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BIGDADDY74:
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I thought Oscar won the fight,but when he forgot about his very effective jab after the 8th round ,he (as usual) left the door open for PBF to steal the fight in the later rounds.All in all,I thought that a split decision in Mayweather's favor was fair.I was really surprised that PBF stood his ground as much as he did.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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travis alston:
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you are right Floyd is not as good as he thinks and why retire when we have all these upcoming stars like Alberto and paul williams and Cotto Floyd is not as tough as he lead on.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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frederick:
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pbf is not even close to pacquaios supremecy of toe to toe battle i still choose pacman as pound fpr pound king,from 107 to 130 defeated two hall of famer by way tko to get to 130 vs pbf from 130 to 150 win baldomir by ud at 147 win de lahoya at 150by ud hes not even close to the pacman.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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LIONS:
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IF ONLY HE HAD THE HEART, THE WILL , HE OBVIOUSLY HASNT SEEN HAGLER, OR THE LIKES OF JOE CALAZAGHY!!!!!
Sunday May 6, 2007
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DaveB:
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Safety first fighters stink out the place. Roy Jones, Jimmy Young, and Floyd among the bigger names. Sonny Liston once said - I hate a man who just runs. Runners were not what Ali, Holmes or Leonard were. They would sit down on their punches and unload and then move. There is a difference and it is a big one. I'm sorry this one stunk. Just when boxing really needed it to deliver. There are a lot of good fighters gunning for Floyd and he may beat them all but they would all lack drama. Just like Emmanuel Steward said about Chris Byrd a few years back: He may beat them all but who really wants to see it. Exactly. Well said.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Francis G. Dura:
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Mr. Woods,
Nice article. Valid points. I was just wondering how you could mention excitement in performance without mentioning Pacman, Mr. Excitement himself. A debate has been going on for quite a while who is the best P4P boxer in the world, with some siding with Pacman while most still betting for Mayweather.
I agree with your article, don't get me wrong. I just feel it's not complete without mentioning Pacman.
Thanks.
Francis
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Fidel:
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Mayweather is entertaining,Manny Pacquio should be declared as pound for pound boxer today.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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mike bacon:
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I agree with most of what you said. I will remember Floyds mouth more than his fists.
Cheers,
Mike
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Anonymous user:
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spot on
Sunday May 6, 2007
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viewer from Poland:
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couldn't agree more with you, Michael....
Sunday May 6, 2007
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ups:
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i dont know what it is like to enjoy boxing of the yesteryear the years of honour determination the real thirst of boxing espesially when money comes in to play mike tyson killed it for me now floyd from this point on im boycotting boxing all togerther i guess it should maintain its status as a sport.
i dont know how to tell my kids about boxing.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Andrew:
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Boxing is done...long live the UFC.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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KK:
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so... did floyd win?
Sunday May 6, 2007
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tony:
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I've been in boxing for 25 yrs , 15 has a trainer. Floyd can make anyone look bad, you need to move and counter a counter puncher..... thats why Oscar was made for him. Judges must score pts for the fighter , who's making the fight this will save boxing of some sort. But for Floyd to think he's one of the best, you got to fight to get respect....not even close. Tony
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Anonymous user:
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You know what Mike, this article sounds like your choice wasn't chosen as the winner. It is what it is, Mayweather is the winner and that by decision. HOORAY FOR MAYWEATHER!!!!!
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Anonymous user:
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I was disappointed. Sugar Shane would beat Mayweather easily.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Leo:
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On February 3, 1959, in a figurative sense, music died. On May 5, 2007, in a real sense, boxing died.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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howard:
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Michael, Michael, Michael.....Oh how wrong you and the majority of the boxing public are. The problem is the thirst for blood that you and your buddies thrive on. Mayweathers only chance to receive credit from you and Alzheimer Larry was to put Oscar, Carlos, Zab, & Arturo in the hospital. He is not Tyson. Why do you guys want him to be so bad. He boxes smart, uses his assets & doesnt try to be something that hes not. Floyd has clearly won every fight he has ever been in. We cant say the same for Oscar, who every time, when fighting a true, and I mean true top notch fighter turns into this catfight girly swinging overrated pretty boy who continuously comes up short. Your a boxing writer but you seem to forget that Oscar was really a media darling, a nice looking well spoken kid who was made to be more than he actually was to sell the sport. All of his true big fights were exactly the same, he seems to lose the ability to punch when looked directly in the eye. Lets Keep It REAL. I'm a Whitaker fan. I think he was the best BOXER ever. he used his assets (speed, defense, ring savvy, smarts) to beat bigger opponents his entire career so I appreciate what Floyd does. You dont have to knock people out to be considered one of boxings all-time greats, but you do have to win. 38-0 24ko speaks for itself.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Slick:
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What fight were you watching? You have the nerves to write on a website called the sweetscience and don't even recognize it when you see it. This was an entertaining fight sorry if PBF is smart and skilled enough to fight a fight without taking punishment so he doesn't end up like many of the fighters who have with health problems later on in life. Let's see you stand in a ring and just trade punches without any defense and see how long you last.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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sweet4u28311:
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Boy do I wish you were here to tell some of the partners who watched this fight with me this. As the fight ended last night the pro Mayweather crew over at my house watching were all yelling how Mayweather whipped his ass. I threw $40.00 on the floor and told them bet me right now and I guarantee the fight gonna be scored closer than they were all saying. My point was exactly the one you just now made. I went for Delahoya simply for the fact that Mayweather leads those who aint really seen a great fighter into believing he deserves to be discussed in the same sentence as a Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler who all fought each other and were classic battles. Throwing Hagler out the equation because he at 160, Mayweather would not stand a hope of a chance against any of those I just mention at 147 or 154 when they were 30 years old. He would get knocked the fuck out no scoring decision necessary, these fighters were the total package without going through the play it safe style of fighting. Their versatility is something he truly has no ideal about. If you are anywhere near a decent fighter its not too hard to use the same style he does to get some wins against the competition he has fought that didnt include a hall of famer until he beat Delahoya last night. If he does stay around for a couple years he will get the same result Roy Jones Jr. got, another fighter of the same style gets, knocked out by someone nobobdy will say is great. Roy Jones Jr. was the best pound for found for about 5 years and right now nobody would be able to honestly tell you he was an all time great and thats a shame. There is really no need for a rematch because the only ones who would lose in the end is the fans who would pay for something hyped up and not coming close to meeting the hype. Floyd Mayweather Jr. excellent boxer, undefeated and dominant, however only gets a rating of good, not even close to an alltime great within the welterweight division dont even try to mention pound for pound.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Niko_uy:
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My friend Michael. I totally agree with you. I´m done with PBF. I am sick and tired of his absolute lack of respecto for an audience.... honestly last nigh at home watching the fight with a couple of friends and a good ol´Johnnie Walker Black, in the beginning of the 9 th round while Oscar was waisted and PBF was "walking in the park", I thought Floyd will start his show... like Gatti!!! Here comes the great P4P!!! No way... he should have outboxed a 34 year white collar Oscar de la Hoya, throwing some combinations.... at least a stupid 1-2!!!!!!!!! But none of that happened. Honestly I hope he retires... I will not spend a buck on PBF. I´m done.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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ashley:
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hate ya
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Ricardo S.:
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Michael,
The only masterpiece out of the De la Hoya - Mayweather bout was your article. You are truly gifted. Great work.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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BILL MAJOR:
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MICHAEL,OSCAR WON THAT FIGHT . FLOYD GOT A GIFT. HE HAD HIS MOMENTS AND THOUGHT DELAHOYA ABANDONED HIS JAB LATER IN THE FIGHT HE STILL MADE THE FIGHT,HAD AN AMAZING DEFENCE AGAINST MAYWEATHERS
COMBOS AND WAS BUSIER ALL AROUND . RD BY RD, OSCAR WON THE MAJORITY OF THEM BY FIGHTING MAYEATHER ,HE HIYT FLOYD PLENTY.THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS,TAKING A TITLE AWAY FROM THE CHAMPION LIKE THIS ,HOLY CRAP. OSCAR KNOWS HE WON.DID YOU HERE THOSE BOO'S HA HA
Sunday May 6, 2007
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rudy:
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TRUE THAT WOODS!!!!!!! TRUE THAT!
Sunday May 6, 2007
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larry:
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Michael- An outstanding and right on analysis. PBF should not be recognized as the pound for pound best fighter today. A fighter is one who is willing to "duke it out" and not fight in a defensive mode.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Randy De La O:
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Well Mike, you were right Mayweather won the fight. I agree with your article. I thought that Oscar did the best he could, and he was correct in his assessment that there would be no fight at all if not for him. I thought he was going to win this one hands down going in. Tough to do with someone like mayweather. Oscar is a class act, always has been and always will. Mayweather the is still the pound for pound Chump, always has been and always will. All the best!
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Zack DiLiberto:
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The fight itself didn't surprise me that much, but many of the post fight opinions have. For one, I think it was a good match. It was competitive. There was action - with both men determined and giving it everything they had to win. A boxing fan should never expect more than that. If you need blood and guts every time out, there's always UFC... and therapy. As far as the decision, I thought it could've gone either way. I would have preferred to see Oscar get the nod. And apparently, a conflicted Mayweather Sr. felt the same. Floyd obviously landed more accurately, but I think greater credit is due the aggressor. Without him, there is no fight. I agree with Oscar on that point. He stuck to his game plan - cutting off the ring and pursuing relentlessly. He pushed the action, made it exciting, and did enough to win. When he said afterwards "I'm the champion... Floyd didn't do enough to take my title" he had a point. And I think in previous eras, his performance would have earned him a victory. Floyd is a brilliant technician, possessing one of the greatest defences ever. But he definitely ran for much of this fight. A lot of his shots were picked off, not landing cleanly. That makes scoring difficult, especially with his speed. But to my eyes, many of the blows "landed" by both fighters were partially blocked. There was good defense from both. I didn't see either fighter hurt or even backed up. Which again, should favor the aggressor. I can't say Oscar was robbed, but I do question the scoring in certain ways. Harold Lederman for instance, gave the first round to Floyd. How? Why? He's not an official judge, but his score resembled the two judge's who picked Mayweather. As was the case during much of the fight, there weren't any clean shots landed by either fighter in the first round. That should mean the round goes to the guy bringing the noise. At the very least, it should be scored even. At any rate, cudos to both boxers. They are both truly great, and last night should have done nothing to tarnish either fighter's legacy. Nonetheless, Mayweather is already being criticized for his "one and done" tactics. While I don't think he necessarily won, he shouldn't be dissed for his style. He's one of a kind. He's just not a brawler. If people expected him to brawl last night, than perhaps boxing really is in trouble. Maybe UFC is having the effect of increasing bloodlust among boxing "fans". I think that's unfortunate. If, as Michael Woods stated "the sport of boxing lost last night", it's at least partly because people want oranges when given apples. Or should I say they want raw meat? On the subject of Mayweather retiring, I agree with him. I think he should. He and Oscar are both no-brainers for the Hall Of Fame. In the eyes of many, Floyd will be considered an all time great. I certainly agree. But thus far, he hasn't been good for the sport. I don't think he's a bad guy. But he just doesn't win people over. Quite the contrary. I thought his entering the ring wearing a sombrero and Mexican colors was actually brilliant. He really does have a flair for 'business'. It never crossed my mind that he was "taunting" the audience. He wasn't. No chance. But many people - including the HBO commentators - suspected he was. The reality is, Floyd, in all his greatness, doesn't have a likeable style, in or out of the ring. Some athletes talk trash and it endears them to people. Floyd isn't one of those athletes. He's quickly becoming the guy people want to see get smashed. That will never "save" boxing. And if Floyd is really smart, he will quit now. Because that 'smashing' will come. He should learn from Roy Jones' mistake(s). There are fighters out there who can beat Floyd. That's what I came away with last night. The so-called "intangibles" that keep Floyd and Roy out of that elite "pantheon" occupied by the Robinsons, Leonards, Durans, et al. are really not all that intangible. Those guys could elevate their greatness when tested, when hurt. For all his athleticism and technical brilliance, that wasn't what made Roy Jones. His greatness was predicated on avoiding punishment. That of course, is was makes boxing the "sweet science": to hit without getting hit. But Roy and Floyd take it to the extreme. And that's not what inspires people. I grew up around boxing. I can appreciate the finer points. But most people want drama. They get it with UFC. They get it with virtually every NBA playoff game they watch. De La Hoya gave people an era of it. That's why he's still a major attraction. He tried to bring it last night. But alas, he was matched up against a fighter skilled enough to win by saying 'no' to it. That's the paradox of Floyd Mayweather. But just as Roy stuck around long enough to get tested and subsequently knocked out, a similar fate awaits Floyd. He doesn't have the brittle chin Roy turned out to have, but he does have weaknesses. Oscar proved that last night. A young De La Hoya would probably have beaten Mayweather. And the division Floyd's in is chock full of great fighters gunning for him. After last night, I suddenly don't like him against Margarito. I don't think he can withstand the pressure. And let me be the first to say this: Paul Williams will beat Floyd handily. But just as Floyd avoids brawling in the ring, he'll duck fighters the way Roy did outside of it. No good for boxing. PBF, great as you are, take your own good advice. Ride off into the sunset on top. Retire.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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phillip:
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Simple the best article written about this fight and mayweathers legacy. One question I'd have for floyd is this. How come he hasn't been aggressively calling out say sugar shane? Shane beat de la hoya twice while oscar was an active fighter not while he was a rusted promoter. You see oscar brings dollars thats why. So mayweather will be most remembered for making the dollar fights and taking the safest route to an unblemished record. Hype, hype, hype,money, money, money is what I'll remember of mayweather and 50 cent in 40 years.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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jon rappoport:
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you and merchant are the only people i've come across who got close to the heart of that fight last night. for me, if a guy hits once and retreats, we can EXPECT the other guy to have bad punch-% numbers. that's just the way it goes, especially if the retreater is fast. so what if oscar's precision numbers were bad? he carried the fight. i have a problem awarding a decision to a back-pedal guy who makes the other guy miss. if floyd can make somebody like oscar or shane miss while he really stands in there, then that's a whole different story. but that's not what floyd does. that's not what happened. i saw sugar ray robinson fight many times---in robinson's era i believe floyd would have been laughed off the stage. "who is this guy on roller skates?" ray robinson fought jake la motta! and ray never backed off and ran away. last night, i saw a watered-down version of what boxing used to be. and it wasn't really oscar's fault. he made some tactical mistakes, but he tried to make the fight. in retrospect, i don't care who got the decision. it was something, but it wasn't boxing. give me the three sloppy graziano-zale fights. give me archie moore. there was a man who knew more about avoiding and slipping punches than floyd will ever know in his wildest dreams. that was the sweet science.
jon rappoport
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Saul:
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Great article, enjoyed every word of it. That being said, I dont think PBF did enough to win the fight, a draw would have suited this fight nice, but i think DLH did enough to retain his title.
Sunday May 6, 2007
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Mike:
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I liked it when you say ..."fart of a rat from balcony could be heard" in Gaywether and Gaylahoya fight. That's true, we paid a heck of money for this overrated show expecting for thrill, but didn't happen. That's not an epic fight is all about, isn' it. I've never been truly entertained than watching Manny Pacquiao's fights. He understand what people wants, he knocks his opponent out only after the audience have seen enough entertaining round.
Monday May 7, 2007
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JOE:
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The most boring fight I have seen in a while. How can you even think of PBF as a champ. All I seen was him back peddling all night. If Oscar did not press him they would have just danced around each other. Fake champ PBF (Don't think of yourself as the best). I will not waste my money if he fights again. I think we all know who won that fight (ODH). And who won for safety (PBF). I guess I still have the UFC.
Monday May 7, 2007
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Kurtis:
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Lets face it, both of these fighters made this fight uneventful. Oscar who is not know for his defense, became such a defense fighter that he was afraid of leting his punches go. I will give him the nod for moving forward but not being the aggressor. Plain and simpe not enough punches were being thrown, let alone a simple jab. Floyd on the other had did not step to the plate and throw enough punches himself. They were both concerned about being on the negative side of a historical event they were afraid of letting there hands go.
Monday May 7, 2007
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ricki:
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I write from italy where PPV match cost was 10 € (slightly more than 10 $) much cheaper than US PPV cost. I've been looking forward for weeks towake up at 5 o'clock in the morning to see "the world awaits" match.
I don't think i threw away my money but, sincerely, i expected more...
I expected far more from PBF... golden Boy at least tried to fight, PBF has been escaping the whole match... what a poor boxer....
to take the belt away from the champ you have to beat the champ... PBF did't beat DLH...
Monday May 7, 2007
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joey:
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it was no classic but was in fact a good solid boxing match between to good defensive fighters who never clinched and boxed very well- floyd won but oscar showed he is still a top level fighter
Monday May 7, 2007
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Hersh:
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It should be noted that Roy Jones got knocked out more because he was simply a shot/over-the-hill fighter, at least compared to the RJ who beat Toney and shut out Reggie Johnson. Roy at his best would have put away Tarver and Glen Johnson no problem. Floyd hasn't slipped from his prime at all, just not a very exciting style of fighter against some who's a true threat to him, like De La Hoya.
Monday May 7, 2007
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Tha Deacon:
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Well, another fight in the books, and now we're leaning on Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto to save the sport? Ouch.
UFC 73: Stacked this July will end the debate of which sport is on top. I love boxing, always will, but it's one dimensional, and Mayweather just got rewarded for NOT fighting, but boxing. Good for him, bad for people who want to see people box to win, not box to not lose.
Monday May 7, 2007
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Boxing is Dead:
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This "superfight" would have Jerry Quarry rolling in his grave. But it's a blessing! Now that boxing is deceased, the UFC is truly born and will replace football as the national pastime. It will be front page news in mainstream media. HBO and Showtime will be running UFC bouts as they do with boxing now. There will be no more Jim Lampley and others; now it'll be Joe Rogan and a new crew. UFC is just so far superior with so much more to offer. The bottom line is the last remaining boxers will need to enter the UFC. I think Sam Peter will be formidable in the heavyweight class (top 20 type guy). Klitschko won't even be competitive.
Monday May 7, 2007
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rudy:
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all i have to say is the sport isnt dying, people are ignorant who say the sport fading........MMA is boring and a fad...wont last....two guys groping each other.....your best fighter is a puncher in Lidell and I heard Ray Mercer is going into MMA, he would crush Lidell within 2 mins, with his piece o shit wanna be power punching boxer crap that he tries to pull.....this whole boxing is dying is a bunch of media driven BS....dont believe the hype.........
Monday May 7, 2007
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ThaDeacon:
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LOL rudy. The fact that MMA is even brought up amongst BOXING commentators at boxing events, and in a lot of articles is proof that boxing is losing it's edge. Of course no one says it's going to "fade" or "go away." I will still watch choice bouts. However, watching Winky Wright cover up his face with large gloves for 12 rounds isn't fun to watch. Miguel Cotto is fun to watch. Pacquiao is fun to watch. Problem is, they don't speak good english, if any at all. Not to mention, I don't think Mayweather senior speaks english lol. The common fan won't care. Guys like me and you do though. Mandatory title defenses and champs/promotors dodging contenders and fighting cans doesn't help (did you see the last Klitschko fight against Austin? What a joke.)
Please don't be ignorant and say Ray Mercer can step in with Chuck Liddell. MMA is boring, well, let's just say boxing is checkers, and MMA is chess.
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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upyours:
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I thought PBF looked good in a 'I look terrified, please dont hit me' kinda way. I hope he does retire so we can watch some FIGHTERS.
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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Olugbenga Rotimi:
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Michael Woods you obviously don't like PBF which is your perogative however quite frankly your article stinks. Once again PBF took another much bigger supposedly stronger man who himself was blessed with some talent ,technique & speed and he basically outclassed him due to his supreme talent. Had Oscar won you would be proclaiming him a great fighter however he lost and because he did you try and demean PBF. What is PBF supposed to do hang his chin in the air for Oscar to hit him clean. PBF might or might not be as good as the Sugar Ray's, Ali, Jack Johnson etc however what is clear is that he is the best of his time. Unlike Oscar PBF won the big 50/50 fights he had not hand picked gimmes against fighters past their best or on the way down.
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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Tab:
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Someone needs to tell Mayweather he is not in track and field.
But deep down we know why he ran,If he went toe to toe,
De la Hoya would close that big mouth,De la Hoya came to fight
and thats what we all paid money to see not Mayweather say one thing then do another.Mayweather will be talked about
(You know the guy that fought De la Hoya what was his name! )
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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rudy:
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I know boxing has more flaws than any other sport, by far!! For one reason, there isnt one sanctioning body or commission, its run by corrupted money hungry people.....need to have one belt in every class then you have a sport where the champion is defined and you wont need Ring Magazine to name the true champ.......And dont hate on the boxers who dont speak English, boxing is a global sport - bc one doesnt speak English doesnt mean you discredit what they do in the ring - Again the problem with boxing is exactly what is happening in the HW division 4 titles, 4 seperate so called champs, and no unified belt holder - get rid of the IBF, WBO, WBA, and WBC and have one commission with one title at every weight class brings life back the sport -Like you mentioned, the sanctioning bodies are ruining the sport just to collect more fees on their crap titles with match ups like Austin-Klitschko, simple solution, have a tourney of the belt holders and you got the champ of the division - Mercer would crush Lidell, Ill put anything on that! Lidell tries to box, but he cant, one punch by Mercer and its over - ill pose this question, who has the better boxing technique, Lidell or Mercer??? If MMA is chess then you agree, its BORING
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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gabriel:
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how can anybody who knows boxing actually believe that floyd did enough 2 win? DLH was the champ and a challenger has 2 bring the fight 2 him. he did everything he could 2 make MW trade in the middle of the ring and he did nothing but run around the ring like a little punk and wait for oscar 2 get winded. that sounds like a true coward who will never b remembered 4 any classic matches unlike like oscar who never dodged any fighter who challenged him worrying about his record which is only perfect because until now he never had the guts to fight anyone who was a threat. anybody who believes MW 2 b a great fighter (more like runner) needs 2 go back to the hype he built up 2 the fight. for instance we all now know that he is nothing but tough talk before a fight and has no interest in squaring off against a boxer who is quote "old, gets tired and quits"....mayweather is just a clown who will never will be a respected legend in boxing...........maybe a track star, that is if they let him do what he does in the ring....................run backwards!
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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Thadeacon:
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rudy, I agree with you on the different divisions. I don't even know which title holds the most weight. There's 43 champions in all weight classes amongst the 3 sanctioning bodies. I think I counted 4 vacant titles as well. That's ridiculous. There's a lot of talented fighters out there... my point though, is that in the state that boxing is in, it's going to be hard to sell a fighter who doesn't speak english. I'm not hatin on what they do, just stating facts. The fly by night fan won't sit and listen to a translated post fight interview as closely, or lose interest because the fighter can't truly express themselves.
Of course Ray Mercer has better boxing technique, he's a boxer! I'm sure Ray Allen has a better shooting form than Randy Moss, although Randy's decent at hoop and can make shots. Liddell and Mercer would be a huge mismatch. Stance is way different in MMA because you have to defend against a more complicated offensive attack from your opponent from a standing position. They can strike you 8 different ways standing as opposed to 2 (two hands). So I think it goes without saying that technique will have to change unless you wanna get pummeled.
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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PBF is the real deal, To be a great boxer,you do not have to knock out your opponents (see Iron Mike Tyson) you have to out class them. PBF has done this in the vast majority of his fights except for Castillo I. PBF will not be defeated by the current crop of fighters or even up and comers, because none of them have a clue about how to box. Boxing is a simple sport, four basic punches, but it is difficult to grasp, because it makes the majority of its practitioners think that they have it figured out. Getting beat around the ring is not what boxing is about. PBF has discovered the science and the art of boxing, thereby making it the sweet science, which will be the closest thing to true boxing we will see in our life time. When a guy with ok not ko power can beat everyone he faces that is what boxing is about. UFC will overtake boxing not because of the skill of the fighters, but seeing someone brutally dominate their opponent and not by outclassing and totally dominating them. PBF can be beaten, and ODLH should have done it, but he forgot the game plan. I was telling anyone who would listen that ODLH was in a no lose situation once again. ODLH treats boxing as it is, a way to make a ton of money, and the way he fights, without taking a lot of punishment. ODLH unlike PBF is willing to take a few punches for the cause, because he understands unlike RJJr and PBF that the fans want to be entertained. ODLH could have won the fight convincingly if he had used his jab and kept the pressure on, but why take the punishment. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN A WINNER TAKE ALL BOUT!
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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Olugbenga Rotimi:
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gabriel Oscar never avaoided anybody did he. Perhaps you can clarify why he refused to face Winky Wright at Light Middleweight and Azumah Nelson at Junior Lightweight.Oscar is an overrated punk always has been.
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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Daniel:
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Well, Mr. Woods, I have read several american columns about the fight and only this one manifest disappoint of the fight, of the result and of the PBF style. But i m totally in agree with you. I m so glad that an american boxing fan is in agree with a mexican fellow. PBF shown us he perfectly dominates one side of boxing, defense and counter attack. But what about the other side, attack and establish superiority over the rival. Did you see Pacquiao, Morales, Barrera, Marquez Brothers,Calzaghe, De La Hoya and Sugar Shane fights. 34 punches thrown per round. 37,000 US DLS PER PUNCH!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday May 8, 2007
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rudy:
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I get your point about the pre & post fight interviews with the fighter who doesnt speak english, which are pretty bad - I speak spanish fluently and get pissed every time a crap HBO/Showtime translator completely gets the translation wrong of what the fighter said, its very annoying. But a guy like PacMan who is a wrecking ball, it doesnt matter that his English isnt the best, he is entertainment and a force in the ring, your telling me you cant sell that to someone who speaks English bc he speaks tagalog(excuse me if spelled wrong)? Just look at past great fighters who FIGHT in the ring and dont speak English, Julio Cesar Chavez. Duran, Monzon and many others who fought their hearts out in the ring and had mainstream success bc of the way they fought, NOT the language they spoke. And your argument about MMA stance is stupid, look Lidell has beat all of those other fighters who can strike 8 different ways just using TWO HANDS, and he throws a pathetic jab and wide power punches. If its so hard, how come a guy who doesnt even practice boxing F/T beat all of these bums who train in so many fighting forms??? Mercer would crush Lidell, Mercer is the BETTER PUNCHER. Lidell is a puncher, and hes the champ in UFC, the main attraction whose beat all the top guys in the sport, a boxer would emberass and melt the Iceman.......
Wednesday May 9, 2007
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docmts2:
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Hey, "boxing is dead." A psyhic you're not. And.......Jerry Quarry?!..........JERRY QUARRY?!!!!!!!!!! UFC, HA!! JERRY QUARRY, HA, HA!!
Saturday May 12, 2007
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renant:
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that fight,,,,is a muckery,,,,,a false fight ,,,,,,,so,,,,if there is a rematch,,,,,,we must do what we gonna think off,,,,,
Thursday May 17, 2007
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Radam G.:
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What a lot of player haters and dope. Boxing is not dead. It will live long after all of us are dead as hell. And PBF won that fight plain and clear. He's kick Oscar's a** any day in the week.
Thursday May 17, 2007
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mal1466:
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Well the only thing for certain is that Michael Woods shouldn't go down in the Sportswriters Hall of Fame for this, biased, haters opinion. If you don't like Pretty Boy Floyd, just say that then. But the fact is, like it or not, Pretty Boy Floyd is Pound for Pound, the greatest fighter currently boxing today. You may not like his style because he doesn't fight like Gotti and Ward(what a war!!!) or Pacquiao(who I like also, but all things considered equal, would have enough stamina, chin and power but not enough defense or speed to deal with PBF-just my opinion.) ) The one thing you guys don't seem to consider is that Floyd is always fighting people bigger than him. On top of all these things, how can you argue with 38 and 0 and he's beat anyone that's been in front of him. Also let me say that I like Oscar De La Hoya. I respect the fact that he fights the best fighters and I absolutely respect his business savvy, but this fight wasn't even close. Floyd Mayweather was more accurate and didn't get hit and that's the bottom line. He won the fight, period. All you people that hate Floyd, keep hating. But it has nothing to do with the fact that Floyd won the fight. Floyd is a complete boxer but he's mostly fighting people bigger than him, so how can you possibly expect him to knock these people out. And since when did not getting hit because you're fast enough and agile enough not to get hit become a crime. What, you want Floyd to fight toe to toe and end up in his later years like Mohammed Ali so you haters can all claim, when you look back at history that he was a better fighter. I loved to watch Mohammed Ali and he is the Greatest, but who, in their right mind, would want in to end up like that after you see what he is now. I knew this fight would happen the way it did and anyone who expected different, in my opinion, is not really a true boxing fan. If you want to see two people go toe to toe and bash each others heads in, go watch MMA,(hell, I love MMA) but boxing is boxing. It's not called brawling or fighting, It's called boxing. The problem is that most of you who don't like Floyd, don't like him for what he does outside of the ring. You see this young black kid who flaunts his riches, talks about how great he is, walks around with his entourage, wears his gear and flashy jewelry, drives his fancy cars and those things turn you off. That's fine, that's okay. If you don't like him, just admit it. But there's no way in the world you can argue with the man's skill, supreme conditioning and mastery of ring generalship in the ring against any opponent. Floyd is the most intelligent and complete fighter in the game today. He shows you this with every fight because he adapts and then utilizes all of his skills whether it's jabs, defense, power, stamina, speed, ring generalship or any combination of the various tools he possesses to win. He's done this against Castillo, Corrales(way bigger fighter-R.I.P., Diego) former champions like Chop-Chop Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah(equal in speed and power and a southpaw), Gatti(beat him so bad, trainer Buddy McGirt threw in the towel), Baldomir(formerly little known guy who beat Judah and KO'd Gatti and who's normal weight is closer to 180 lbs.), and now De La Hoya(bigger & supposedly stronger fighter). He adapts to his opponents strengths and utilizes a game plan, based on his various tools to win, every time.. Floyd's speed, stamina, defense and chin, for his size; his power and agility make him the most complete fighter in the game today. Like him or not. And, who in the world decided that decrepit Larry Merchant is the best analyst in the game today!?! Larry Merchant may have been great back in his day but currently Larry Merchant is too old, too bias and too opinionated to be considered a fair analyst. Hell, he's not even the best analyst on the HBO team. The best analyst on the HBO team is Harold Lederman. This guy constantly gets it right time and time and time again and if you look in his scores as compared to most of the judges, he's pretty close to dead on. Even Max Kellerman, currently, is better than Larry Merchant. Merchant has a problem with the young, mostly black, flashy loud talking, cocky(or confident) fighters. This is evident in his multiple interviews with people like Mayweather and Roy Jones. I won't speak for Larry Merchant's past history but based on his current bias interviewing, Larry Merchant needs to shut up and retire, not now, RIGHT now. Back to Floyd. Now I won't go as far as to say that PBF is equal to Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard or Mohammed Ali. However the main difference between guys like Ali and Leonard and PBF I think has more to do with who he fights against, as opposed to how he fights. Ali and Leonard fought guys who in their own right, had there been no Ali or Leonard, would've been great champions on their own. To me that's the biggest difference so far. In Floyd's defense he is 38 and 0 and the reason he's given the pound for pound title is because you have to consider he got started from featherweight hasn't grown any taller, and 10 years later he's captured every title from super featherweight to super welterweight. So Floyd's fighting at the height of a featherweight, bulking up and beating guys all the way along the line now up to super welterweight. I think when you add his record, his opponents, his physical limitations as compared to his opponents and the various titles he's captured, I think he does have a case and we'll just have to wait and see. Finally, since when did it become Floyd's responsibility to save boxing by sacrificing himself, standing toe to toe and brawling against any and everybody so you idiot haters can be entertained? This ain't Rome at the Colosseum. As far as I know, It's boxing's responsibility to save boxing and the fans to decide boxing's fate accordingly. Don't appreciate great skills? Fine, be a hater and do something else. All in all, just my opinion, like anyone else's. Anyone including Michael Woods who wants to respond, great. I love a debate, any time.
Saturday May 19, 2007
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futurechamp:
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OSCAR D LA HOYA WON THE FIGHT,PBF WILL NEVER BE REMEBERED AS P4P.SORRY FLOYD..JUST SEAT BACK AND ENJOY UR FAMILY. :(
Saturday May 19, 2007
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Ian Roman:
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I'm a big fan of boxing. I was really thrilled when I get the info about de la hoya vs mayweather. After I saw the fight, damn, is that what you called boxing? Those who think that PBF is the P4P, you should have your eyes check-up. He is a boxer but not even close to the top ten P4P. I will even Boom boom Bautista of their undercard a P4P fighter. If you talk about Pound for Pound, Pacquiao is the man. When did you see hand speed combined with multiple powershot combination. Only in a Pacquiao fight man. The fight of PBF and de la hoya put the dead boxing in a 6 feet under grave. You want a Super Bowl of Boxing? Pacquiao vs Maquez. I hope it happens. Because Top Rank and Golden Boy promotions are again planning to put boxing in a deeper grave where we can resurrect it anymore.
Monday May 21, 2007
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chad:
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MAN what the hell are ya'll talking about. YA'll give Oscar thumbs up in every fight but he has never won the big fight. Hopkins by KO,Mosley 2x,Trinidad,Mayweather when the lights are on and the cameras are rolling Oscar is a no-show. True enough he did beat some high profile fighters but Chavez and Parnell W. were 100yrs old. He beat Camacho but his bark was louder than his bite. He beat Vargas and Mayorga but who hasen't. The only fight that I can remember in Oscar's career that was meaningful was the win over Ike Quartey. i give him credit for that but he finally hit someone that hit him back. Ike drop his ass for the first time in is career. Quartey didn't have the speed of Mayweather to stick and move. But if he that speed or even a inch of the skill Mayweather owns then he would have won. Mayweather is a people's champ but some seem to not know that. He makes the fights who we the people want to see. A fighter wins one fight and all of a sudden he thinks he can compete with Floyd. The suddenly when its time to pay the piper they realize that thier 15mins. of fame was Floyd making a ass out of all of them Deigo Carroles by KO, Arturo Gatti by KO, Sharmba Mitchell by KO, Carlos Boldomir, Zab Judah, Jose Luis Castillo 2x,etc. and now including Oscar De La Hoya. Now any other fighter Oscar would have whip the canvas with both once again Oscar found fighting a fighter that would hit him back but this time the fighter was way too quick and his hand speed was way too quick. Plus if any of you seen the fight Mayweather whobbled Oscar 3 times. 9th round, 11th round, and in the closing seconds of the 12th round, a fighter goes in there and gets his bashed throws one lucky punch and all of a sudden he is P4P the best. Thats why some of the fighters you see today can't speak worth a damn. Floyd Mayweather is no doubt P4P the best in the GAME! If he was not then every fighter wouldn't be gunning for him! His new name should be Big Fight Floyd. On December * he is going to fight a fighter who we the people want to see him fight Ricky Hatton. I predict a 9th round TKO by Floyd. He is way to skilled for Hatton. Hatton has no where near the skill of Oscar and you see what happened to him. The I would love see Mayweather make the Real Super Bowl Boxing matches and fight the winner of Mosley vs. Cotto. What a fight that would be. Mayweather vs. Cotto or Mayweather vs. Mosley. Sounds good to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Friday Sep 28, 2007
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Playing Matchmaker: Williams/Cotto, Pavlik/Abraham Winners Meet
"I wouldn't mind paying 50 dollars for a Paul Williams /Miguel Cotto fight with Margarito/Clottey in the undercard. Or Jermain Taylor/Paul Williams with a fight between Kelly Pavlik/Arthur Abraham on the same night. A set up like that would be good for boxing 'cause the fans would see four good fighters in one night and possibly see the two winners fight in the near future.Too bad boxing doesn't think about the fans the way fans think about boxing." ---TSS reader Arturo plays matchmaker
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