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Friday Apr 6, 2007


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UFC's White Offers Floyd 2 Million

By Michael Woods

 Did you see Donald Trump last week, desperately risking injury to his
crusty comb-over at Wrestlemania? He threw some weak-ass punches at
Vince McMahon, absorbed an aborted "stunner" from Stone Cold, and then
assumedly went back to his dressing room to bask in his relevance and
virility. The CEO tried to play a part not suited to him, and ooze UFC's
machismo, but all that oozed was the last ounce of his credibility.
Contrast Trump's ludicrous act of self-degradation with the UFC's
figurehead, company president Dana White.
 
Maybe you missed this.
 
Last June, White was negotiating with one of UFC's former poster-boys
of bad-ass-ness, Tito Ortiz. Ortiz signed on the dotted line, but not
before he challenged White, who was an amateur boxer in the early 90s,
to a boxing match. White, eager to make the deal, said OK. He agreed
to fight the Huntington Beach Bad Boy. That fight was slated to take
place on saturday, March 24.
 
But two days before the bout, White told TSS, Ortiz called him, and
left a voice message. He opted out of the fight, White says, and said
that he was "letting him off the hook." Later, Ortiz explained on his
website that he wasn't about to engage in fisticuffs, even if they
were with the company president who hadn't mixed it up in 15 years,
without proper compensation.
 
As you've gathered, Dana White isn't a cookie-cutter CEO sort, who
preaches the company line, is a raging workaholic and reads Jack Welch
books in his spare time to master his management skills. OK, White's
wife may argue that he works too many hours as he builds the UFC
brand...The 37-year-old Nevada resident has, with the adventurous
capitalists Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, grown and acquired the
majority of the major growth story in the sports world
since...since..wait, I'm going back a few years now...probably since
Nascar upgraded from redneck to semi-redneck status a few years ago.
 
White took some time out from an ambitious array of launches on
Thursday evening to talk to TSS. He touched on his scrapped fight with
Ortiz, the quality of the latest installment of the Ultimate Fighter
on Spike TV (which ran on Thursday night), his Saturday pay-per-view,
and Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather, who dissed UFC and mixed martial
artists on a recent teleconference call.
 
On Monday, Mayweather said he believes MMA is simply a fad that will
burn out, said MMAer are failed boxers and wagered that any decent
heavyweight could beat UFC light heavyweight (185 to 205 pounds)
champion Chuck Liddell. Mayweather offered $1 million of his own dough
to Liddell, in fact, if he won the boxing match.
 
White, who can cut a soundbite about as well as McMahon, shared his
view of Mayweather's assault on his sport.
 
"Floyd and I were friends, we knew each other when he was an amateur,"
White said. "But he doesn't know anything about mixed martial arts.
Listen, boxing is game, compared to UFC. UFC is real fighting. And I
came from boxing, and I still do it as a workout."
 
Regarding Floyd's million-dollar-challenge, White upped the ante.
 
"I'll give Floyd Mayweather $2 million out of my own pocket if he
wants to fight MMA," White said. "Floyd can fight Uriah Faber, or Joe
Stevenson, or Sean Sherk."
 
Do I hear $3 million?
 
Also, White said Spike will be showing footage next week culled from
six months worth of footage documenting his prep work to fight Ortiz.
And even though the match didn't ultimately come off, he says the show
is still entertaining, if for no other reason that it can show
La-Z-Boy warriors that they can still shed the bulk, and get back into
glory-days-era shape. Even if their glory days were back when mullets
were worn without irony...
 
The UFC boss said he weighed almost 220 pounds when he accepted Ortiz'
offer, and cut his poundage to 196 pounds currently. To get ready, he
sparred with pro boxers, and is of the mindset that he would have hung
in with Ortiz. That prospect, White said, could have been one reason
that spurred Ortiz to cancel the gig.
 
White also told TSS that he suspects Ortiz may have been receiving
advice of dubious quality. Ortiz has been linked romantically with
adult film actress Jenna Jameson, and White told TSS that Jameson,
functioning as Ortiz' manager, contacted a White emissary two weeks
before the scheduled fight.
 
The actress demanded that 10 ounce glovers were to be worn, and
headgear was not to be worn, for the beef. White accepted the new
terms, and that, he said, probably surprised Ortiz and his braintrust.
 
"They were blown away," he said.
 
Eight days before the settling-of-the-beef, White received psych-out
text messages from Ortiz, telling him that no punches would be pulled.
Bring it on, White answered. Instead, Ortiz brought out an excuse. But
White says he can't blame Ortiz, really.
 
"It was lose-lose for him. If he kayoed me in ten seconds, he was
supposed to. If I hung with him, go the distance, then it makes him
look bad."
 
White says he wishes Ortiz had halted the arrangement shortly after
the offer was accepted, but, he says, there is a silver lining: "At
least now my clothes fit me."
 

NOTE: The accompanying photo is copyright 2007,  Zuffa,LLC

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joey:  " boxing is game, compared to UFC" dana white is a loser and he couldnt make it in boxing then or now- lets see what a game it is if he had the nuts to get it on with a sam peter or vlad or even james toney, ufc is a fad and he needs to stop bad mouthing boxing cause i have yet to see a competitive fight on ufc ever they are all 1 sided drama less beat downs give me a gatti ward a correlas castillio a judah mayweather and then maybe ill change my tune a bit white is an a hole and ufc resebles the wwe more than anything and we all remember how HUGE wwe was in the late 90s and look were it is today still around but not anywere near its peak which is the soon to be case with ufc
Saturday Apr 7, 2007 11:37:17 PM
Anonymous user:  I love both sports. But Dana is full of crap if he did say these things. He can't fight Ortiz, or any other accomplished fighter and he knows it. If he actualy said these things he must have been drunk or high. Listen, both sports each have their own rules. And Mayweather isn't interested in fighting for a 2 or 3 mil purse and Dana's ass knows it, and I suspect thats why he said this if he did. Listen, Dana can call out whoever he wants. Bottom line is if he really is a fighter he'd get in there and do it. Until then he is all show and no go. Talk is cheap and any fighter knows that.
Sunday Apr 8, 2007 05:15:12 AM
dennis:  ufc is the closest you can get when it comes to real figthing, these boxers doesn't know how to defend takedowns, ground£s and especially submissions. I would like to fight boxers out there it would be a lot of fun taking them down and beat the f... out of them or hear them cry in pain trying to tapout.
Sunday Apr 8, 2007 09:11:50 AM
Bruce:  UFC is for chumps. They pretend it is like real fighting but sadly it is not. In a real fight there is eye gouging, nut craking, and biting. Submissions would not work in a real fight because of these things. If someone gets you in a hold you simply pluck out their eye or bite a chunch of flesh from their arm. Furthermore, I laugh when I see UFC guys box. It is like watching the tough man competition. They have no idea how to throw a punch and look like bums duking it out. Also, the UFC is boring with guys wrestling like they are auditioning for Broke Back Mountain 2. The only time it is entertaining is when they box but then you see their lack of skills shine through like bald guy at the 4th of July. Lastly, you could teach a boxer these simple UFC wrestling techniques in a matter of days where it takes years to develop into a great boxer. That is why most UFC fighters are failed boxers because they don't have the natural ability or the the guts to train and succeed in a true sport.
Sunday Apr 8, 2007 12:21:49 PM
uruk-hai:  The UFC is a cesspool of boxing wannabees. I don't like PBF's mouth. I think he is a coward who just contends himself with fighting low level opponents. But this time he is right. MMA is just a place for those non-talented guys who can't make it in boxing. You could easily train a fast and powerful boxer to adapt to subs and all those stuff but you can't and won't be able to teach an MMA'er to be fast and powerful and fluid like a top class boxer. Plus we all know White pays his chumps crumbs of bread for salaries.
Monday Apr 9, 2007 01:14:49 AM
johnp:  I say Boxers put your money down and get in the octagon. shizzle fizzle. If it is that frickin easy then all the weight classes should reflect the boxers quality. and yet..................the titles are all held by world class wrestlers except the 205 class. and he is a kempo artist. and what lame noninformed troglodite compares MMA to a street fight.......correct you dont nut crack or eye gouge. duh. and anyone who claims MMA practioneers dont have the guts to train in boxing, obviously hasnt trained in either. I would never denie the boxers his place in athletic greatiest. Only a fool would discount the Ali's, De La Hoyas, or Durans of the world. but these contrast and comparisons here are comical and semi-retarded. As for PBF...... please take the 2 million dollar offer. According to Bruce you can learn the ground skills in a couple of days.
Monday Apr 9, 2007 01:34:10 PM
Ray G:  Well, that's cool of him to acknowledge that it was a no-win situation for Ortiz, but it's not as if Tito didn't come up with it. Sounds like Ortiz needs a new manager.
Monday Apr 9, 2007 09:15:27 PM
Andrew:  I hate Dana White. I'd like to see him tell Levander Johnson's family that boxing is not real fighting and "just a game."
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 02:03:17 PM
Greg Jones:  Keep up the good work dan White. I like the way the fighters are paired off to fight. The stand up is great also if your lazy then stand up and get it on. good job on losing the weight. Pass on the secret i need to lose some myself. I would really like to see chuck kick the shit out of Mayweather. Hell i would like to see you in the ring also.Well hell im gone . OH yeh cant wait to see the Ufc live. I work to damn much. Who knows maybe one day.
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 04:57:03 PM
shane:  truth be told egos aside mma is the most complete fighting sport out there. barring the "nut grabbing and eye gouging, bruce" people from both sides are extremely uneducated about the other. a boxer would do well if it were a stand up fight, maybe even against a kick boxer. but hed have to be versed in alot of other techniques to survive in a "cage" fight. but that would make him a mma fighter, with a boxing background. P.S. There are people with boxing backgrounds in the ufc, both got their asses handed to them until they learned a solid bjj and some wrestling. Hopefully some top notch boxers show up in the cage and we can all see in the near future if boxing can survive that long
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 06:22:51 PM
dennis:  if a wrestler decided to take you down he will take you down regardless you know how to defend it or not it would'nt matter.and when was the last time a pure boxer (no groundskills whatsoever) defeated a wrestler or a brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter in a sanctioned fight? answer: zero, so stop being jealous and admit mma is better.
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 07:41:04 PM
boxingfan:):  bruce, you sadistik cannibal you have got a lot to learn i would dislocate your fucking jaw you ever tried to bite me in a fight. i bet you've never done any MMA let alone boxing so why don't you just sit your happy ass on the couch and keep your ignorant perspective to yourself. if mayweather is such a badass maybe he should step up and challenge liddell rather than offering the fight to "any heavyweight boxer". Oscar de la Hoya is about the only respectable boxer in the sport, that is a true athlete.
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 09:15:34 PM
Mercado:  I would love to see any of the UFC champs take on their respective counterpart in boxing. It wouldn't last 2 rounds. Even a guy like De La Hoya would easily KO the UFC's 154-160 pound champ. After all, the real money is in boxing, and if any of these guys could beat PacMan, Floyd, Wladimir, etc, they'd be in the boxing ring making the money those guys make. In boxing, Lidell would be a top 30 heavyweight at best and would get kayoed by a journeyman.
Tuesday Apr 10, 2007 09:52:10 PM
mateo:  The idea that a boxer could beat even an average ufc fighter is ridiculous . Dean Lister defeated a legitimate top 5 (ranked in wbc ) boxer in three minutes ! Go ahead and go to youtube or the ufc website and watch a top ten in the world boxer be completely dominated . Then you post your sissy comments , because none of you have ever faught mma orr boxing , but ive done both .
Wednesday Apr 11, 2007 01:58:56 AM
Andrew:  I don't want to debate MMA and Boxing. They are two different sports. It's like trying to compare Peyton Manning and Dwyane Wade. I just think Dana White is an A-hole. I don't have a problem with the sport he promotes. Now, I'm a former amateur boxer so I may be biased. But seriously Dana White, tell Levander Johnson, Victor Burgos, Benny Paret and any other boxer's family that it's "just a game." Dana White reveals his own ignorance with such propaganda.
Wednesday Apr 11, 2007 01:38:19 PM
boxingfan:):  way to go mateo, i totally agree with you. I bet these pussies couldn't even make it one training session of either sport. It's easy to talk shit sitting at a computer. Iv'e never personally trained boxing but I do kickboxing and BJJ and have done some wrestling so I know all are equally demanding in their own level. And to you losers posting your ignorant comments go join a local club or training center then come back and you might have something relevant to say. UFC, Pride, Iska, IFL are here to stay and MMA is more fun to participate and watch than any sport Iv'e ever seen or experianced.
Wednesday Apr 11, 2007 09:04:33 PM
Adolphus:  Chuch Liddell would knock out either Sam Peter or Wladimir Klitschko in one round in a boxing match, and everyone knows it. I don't know why Liddell doesn't lobby for a bout with either (boxing, not MMA rules). It would be easy, easy money for him and what's wrong with being the heavyweight champion of the world? It shocks me that he doesn't do it. He'd probably make more money too (Peter and Klitschko (especially Klitschko) are earning well above 7 figures per fight).
Thursday Apr 12, 2007 08:39:52 AM
The Champ:  Damn, thats too bad sounds like we got hataz on both sides of the game. I love both sports cause they are both different. Both require a different athelete. Wuts more interesting is that the best divisions in the ufc heavy-weight and light heavy-weight , the champs both have good stand up skills or boxing skills. In order to even utilize a ground game you have to get through the stand up game, boxing skills. Its also true that a pro boxer who is just beginning makes a hella of a lot more than someone who is beginning in the UFC. As a amateur boxing coach i gotta say that the scandalous part of boxing is slowly killing the sport, but on the other hand i'm seeing the same thing in the UFC slowly taking place. And the workout for both is not fit for the sane....GOOD LUCK TO BOTH SPORTS AND ITS ATHELETES!!!!
Thursday Apr 12, 2007 01:19:09 PM
Colin:  I think that Floyd is jealous of how MMA is exploding and boxing fizzling. The warriors who compete in MMA are not boxing wannabes. They are some of the best athletes in the world. They don't just train their hands and feet. They have to be able to defend takedowns, be able to protect themselves when they get get knocked down and defend submission holds. Remember in MMA there is no standing 8 count. If you get knocked down you better be ready to defend yourself in an intelligent manner. And you cannot learn the ground game in a couple of days like Bruce said. I would love to see any top boxer take on their equal in weight and talent in the MMA game. The top MMA fighters would absolutely destroy their counterparts in boxing.
Thursday Apr 19, 2007 06:07:11 PM
The Fourth Horse:  First off lets get one thing straight! ive been a huge boxing fan since i was knee high to a duck! so there is no disrespect being thrown at the sport itself or its "boxers" whatsoever! but anyone in the world who has even a grain of sand worth of knowledge that gets on here and tries to make a case for either side of this debate has lost his mind! everyone out there set all your crazy ass "im a fan for life of this sport" thoughts aside! and think real hard about this for a second! were going to a perfect world for a minute! you take the worlds greatest boxer...somebody who moves like Ali and throws like a smart Iron Mike and has a chin like the ficticious Rocky Balboa! and you have him toe the line with a guy who throws a kick like Mirko Crocop, handspeed like Vitor Belfort and the ground game of Matt Hughes. ive named but a few of the greats in either sport...you fill the blanks for yourself! put them in ring and square off in a boxing match...sure...no doubt in my mind the All Around Fighter will prolly lose most of the time! your throwing him in a sport where he only gets to use 2 of the 8 deadly tools! when hes limited to only his hands...all the boxing fans can bask in this shallow puddle of glory for a minute! any you sweet science nerds ever play rockem sockem back in the day? compared to a Full Contact Fighter thats what a boxer looks like! in boxing your limited to fists...are each and every one of you out there gonna tell me that a guy like Pretty Boy Floyd or any other "boxer" for that matter would truly stand a chance in the Octagon with a guy whos so diversed in each area its not even fun to watch them sometimes cuz each fighter cancels each other out...they can counter each other till the cows come home! a fighter uses 8 tools kids...2 hands, 2 elbows, 2 knees, and 2 feet! lol...thats just if the fighter wants to stand for awhile! if your bored reading by now its cuz you agree with me or you hate it cuz your startin agree with me! your tellin me that a guy who lives on the ground and can take the worlds best wrestlers to the ground would have a hard time getting a boxer down...? get the F outta here!!! now your all bein ignorant! if a true fighter wants the fight over with...its over before the boxer has time to throw a flury! for any of you out there that dare to say fighters couldnt hack it in boxing...thats a compliment! why the hell would you wanna stay in a sport where all u can do ispunch yeah theres alot more to it than that i know...but common sense sums it up like this...hit him with a punch and dont get hit with a punch! do i really need to say all that a fighter needs to think about? and of course boxers make a great paycheck...somebodies gotta pay to fill that great empty whole in their chest where a heart should be! hell yeah fighters fight for peanuts...cuz we dont do it for money! and sure theres a few exceptions in every sport...theres a few boxers out there that have huge hearts! and even fewer fighters that are money hungry! all im sayin is use your common sense...a world class fighter stands a better chance in a boxing ring than a Boxer does in a Mixed Martial Arts Cage! im not hatin...im just regulatin! i cant wait to see what you cronies come up with next...all i got is time ill throw back a rebuttle to you pujiists!
Tuesday Apr 24, 2007 03:40:24 AM
ken:  What a silly debate. The only real question anyone need ask is....what is the objective? If it is "real" fighting, then the one who will win is the one with the least scruples. A hidden weapon, dirty tactics or military moves, combined with criminal intent and the element of surprise will always win (try blocking that bottle to the back of the head). Everything else is a combination of sport and entertainment. It is controlled assault so noone gets permanently injured or killed. The entertainment venue (octogon, ring, fence, etc) becomes an important player in the style, and the rules vary according to the style. Sorry, a pro boxer will always win in the boxing ring under boxing rules (thats all he does fourth horse, he just trains for that one one thing). Likewise, a pro wrestler always wins in a wrestling venue. The kick-boxer has already killed the nerves in his legs, so he is going to win if kicks are allowed. Knees and elbows will never surprise the Tai crowd. MMA rules favour MMA. To further clarify: even modern boxing matches could have different outcomes according to which rules are applied (i.e 3 knockdown rule, etc) and old-time boxers would clobber modern ones using their rules, which allowed wrestling, "dirty" tactics, and long matches. Now, if you wanted to throw all kinds of "fighters" together, you run into some difficult questions: what is the venue....what are the rules....etc. That is the real question: what is the objective? The one thing is clear is that you will never determine which is best, as all are doing different things for different reasons. The self-defense folks come closest to the truth when they advise people to stay out of fights, avoid confrontation, and.....run! Real fights are not something any sane person wants. Being killed, crippled, or going to jail are not going to help you career or love-life. Here is the truth: not one of MMA, UFC, boxing, etc are "real" fighting. They are all just sports, and entertainment. And, they all have lots of rules to make sure it stays that way. Furthermore, the less specialized you become, the less skilled you become. The pro boxer will box better than the pro MMA because you only have so much time to train. The boxer only has to train boxing. The military and police do not need to follow so quite so many rules, but even they are bound by a surprising number. It us only the criminal who need follow none. So, the real "ultimate fighter" is the criminal. He will beat all comers, the boxer, MMA, and wrestler as surely as a terrorist can take on the military and win. A combination of martial arts is best for (obviously) mixed martial arts sports/entertainment. Boxing skills are great for boxing, and wrestling skills (you guessed) are perfect for wresting. "Don't box a boxer or wrestle a wrestler" is a saying you often hear from teachers who know what they are talking about. Even in boxing with its limited arsenal, you had better know a swarmer from a boxer-puncher, because style enters into boxing too. In the military, they teach hand to hand for team-building, but everyone realizes that any soldier without a weapon in hand is likely to be beat by the one that does. So, they train you to use anything as a weapon rather than fight hand to hand. The MMA versus boxer argument is just silly... its like comparing chess and checkers.. either player would have to learn the other's rules, strategies, and skills in equal measure of their opponent in order to be confident of a win. And what of a no-holds barred street fight between a boxer and MMA? Not as certain as one might think. There is a tale of a young amateur boxer in such a contest with a drill-Sargent in the army, and through clever maneuvering, the boxer won with a good jab. There are as many other stories that go both ways. Never underestimate your opponent. Boxers do have a very limited skill-set, but sometimes that can be an advantage, If a wrestler gets hold of you, they have the advantage. A big man beats a small man given equal talent and skills. Athletic soccer players have beaten trained fighters in brawls. Nothing is certain once the rules are gone.
Sunday Nov 18, 2007 04:35:13 AM

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