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Floyd Mayweather Rips Oscar, Liddell, MMA
By Michael Woods
I really think these guys don’t like each other. I could be wrong. This could all be hype for their May 5 Super Bowl of Boxing, but I really think Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather don’t like each other.
It wouldn’t be so surprising if the dynamic duo’s back and forth barbs are legit, and not presented solely for the purpose of fanning the flames for their May mashup.
After all, they went on an 11-city media tour to prime the pump, and if there wasn’t enmity going into it, you know there would be after that junket. Smart people have known about the concept of familiarity breeding contempt since…I don’t know…since marriage was invented…(My sterling union aside, sweetie).
Mayweather and De La Hoya upped the hate factor, which had been dwindling at an impolite “7” to a full-fledged “10” on Wednesday. They held a separate (but equally hateful) conference call, and Floyd was first. He got right to the verbal flamethrowing.
“Oscar ain’t real,” PBF said. “He’s a fake ass fighter….he’s greedy, ungrateful, he’s a brat.”
Mayweather said that ODLH shouldn’t be talking about his status as a top grosser in the sport, as he thinks that designation should be reserved for Mike Tyson. And, PBF said, Oscar isn’t in the same league of stardom as Ali or Tyson were. And, he said, as far as talent goes, De La Hoya can’t hold a candle to Floyd Mayweather.
He didn’t stop there. PBF then compared Oscar the Promoter to Oscar’s most heated competitor, Bob Arum, and Don King as well.
“Mayweather Promotions is coming, watch how we treat fighters,” PBF said.
Floyd’s fury wasn’t reserved for the Golden Boy. The press got slammed for fixating on the Junior vs. Senior soap opera angle.
“I don’t ask you what’s going on between you and your dad,” he said. “I’m not fighting my dad. I’m not here to talk about him.”
Senior has been working with Junior said, but as of now, Uncle Roger is his trainer, period, exclamation point, end of story.
(Anyone wanna bet that Senior’s in his corner on fight night as an extra added bonus attraction?)
I shrunk back in agony when Floyd landed a direct hit on the “Fourth Estate,” when he said, “America is about controversy and money. What goes on between me and my dad is my personal business.”
Hold on, the UFC and Chuck Liddell didn’t escape Floyd’s venom.
“UFC ain’t shit,” he said. “It ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight.”
He singled out UFC poster boy Chuck Liddell for an extra overhand right.
“We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions, and if Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket.”
PBF then shoe-shined all MMA fighters.
“These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing,” he said. “So they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay.”
Love him or hate him, think he’s just speaking truth or he has a rampant ego and you’re hoping Oscar has a pin on May 5th, and will pop Floyd’s bubble, you must admit this about PBF: he’s entertaining when he gets that mouth in high gear.
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rob:
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I would like to see Maywweather jr fight in the octagon against Joe Stevenson or Kenny Florian. I admit that in boxing rules Mayweather would win but in MMA rules he would get toasted. I think before idiots like him make comments like that they should be willing to fight these guys under their rules. But he would make some bull story about them not being able to pay him enough or something. I think Mayweather would be afraid to fight these guys. Put up or shut Mayweather.
Friday Apr 6, 2007 04:58:48 PM
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scott fanning:
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pbf hasint got the balls to step in the octagon with any fighter let alone chuck he would get hes arm broke in 2 seconds and he knows that
Friday Apr 6, 2007 09:11:39 PM
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Jason:
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Boxing is the the most competitive, aestheic and pure of all fight disciplines. It has the most practitioners(at least in this Hemisphere) of all fighting sports and if hardest to reach the pinnacle of...And PBF is the acknowleged pound per pound best. Fact is, in fighting you can do the most with your hands, not to mention the fact that pro boxers possess the heaviest punch of ANY fight discipline(Fight Science, National Geographic Channel, August 2006)..In a typical street fight, the fight ends quickest with a crippling or knockout punch, not a submission or wild kicks, which often lead to ground and pound due to loss of balance. How many times you a see a guy losing a fight so he resorts to WRESTLING!...exactly
You put PBF(If he were desperate enough to stoop to the level of what bascially is a savige free for all bloodsport for chumps and wannabee's, contest of willpower and desperation) in there with Stevenson or Florian and I guarantee you these guys would be devastated by 4-5 punch combo's from all angles before they could even attempt their desperate submissions or balance compromising high kicks. As for Liddell , "The Striker", his existence and dominance through "punching" illustrates the superiority of the sweet science. However his opponents suck at boxing even more than he does, exibit poor defense and lateral movement and is just ugly to watch.
Against a pro, under boxing rules Liddell would be knocked out. In a MMA match against a pro boxer, Liddell would be embarassed.
Bottom line, superior boxing skills win the fight 90% of the time...And to you unintiated commentators out there that mock pro boxers for wearing pillows on their hands, it's because if they didn't and wore UFC 4 ouncers they would need priests at every contest to deliver last rites!...Happy Easter.
Sunday Apr 8, 2007 09:43:44 PM
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Jesse:
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Jason, you write so well; really. But, do you know what "lateral" means? Have you ever seen martial arts training? I take it that you feel wrestling is low class? It seems your definition of a "real" fight is old-fashioned cowboys trading fists. Grow up. Evolve. ... You continue utilizing your gentlemanly-pugilistic style of combat and continue to get spanked.
Wednesday Apr 11, 2007 02:00:45 PM
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Jaydog:
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Actually a number of MMA fighters have either boxing backgrounds or do heavy cross-training in boxing. Truth is ground fighting takes many years of practice; if you can't counter it, you are doomed. The reason why Chuck Liddell is so effective is because he is a good kickboxer with phenomenal take-down defense, due mostly to his college wrestling background.
If you still don't believe me, watch a fight in the MMA Pride organization between Mirko Filopovic (a world-class kickboxer) and Antonio Nogueira. For most of the fight Mirko does infact dominate, but once the fight goes to the ground Mirko is arm-locked in a few seconds and has to tap out.
I think the problem is people don't think MMA and Boxing can co-exist. I believe they can, but comparing the two in terms of who's better is plain dumb. An MMA competitor can no more win in a high level boxing match anymore than the other way around. I'm not sure what people feel so threatened about. Even Bruce Lee said if you want to perfect your fighting study a year of boxing and a year of wrestling and you'll own your opponent (sorry for paraprhasing.)
Thursday Apr 12, 2007 09:32:14 AM
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Joe:
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Mayweather is an idiot plain and simple. I really hope Oscar knocks him out . He should know better than to make comments about the "Iceman" Chuck Liddell. Chuck would destroy any of their so called champion boxers. Boxing is a dying sport and it's not even on the same level as the UFC. I would like Mayweather to step in the octagon against any of the MMA fighters and then will see what his made of. Mayweather keep running your mouth and I hope one day when you're in Vegas you run into the Iceman, you problably will probably run like the coward that you are. You are all bark and no bite
Thursday Apr 12, 2007 12:14:09 PM
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chris:
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mayweather is a chump..why do they have to go on a multiple city tour to drum up publicity?...because mma is stomping boxing in PPV sales...watch..MMA is takin over..boxing is already on the way out...though i do love both.. the whole thing about mma is this.. you put two guys in a rang/cage/whatever, and see who has the skill and will to win...so if floyd and chuck ever met in a dark alley...does anyone REALLY thing that Pretty Boy would make it out of there??? you heard it here first.. your winner by way of knockout...Chuck, THE ICEMAN..LIIIDDDEELLLLLLLLLLL!!! P. S Dumb ole' mayweather.. Liddell is a Light-Heavyweight.. not a heavyweight
Thursday Apr 12, 2007 11:52:26 PM
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Jason:
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Jesse, Jaydog, appreciate your commentary, you both seem knowledgable and make some valid points. And no Jesse, I don't think cowboys trading haymakers exemplifies the best boxing has to offer, but I appreciate the reference to my American heritage. And Jaydog, how many times did Bruce Lee have to wrestle to win a fight?
By "lateral" I mean the boxing skill of side movement to do inside/outside pivoting, slips, rolls and landing punches by miniscule angles and when being overwhelmed by a volley having the presence of mind and training to pivot outside the pocket and counter. I look at that last fight between Ortiz and Liddell how Ortiz just stands upright covering up letting Liddell do a Tae Bo workout on him. I mean, with boxing at it's highest levels you don't get away with that. Slight sidestep outside the pocket, PA, PA, pivot again, PA, PA, PA...Granted, MMA fighting has extra demensions that a boxer would be challenged by, however TOO many demensions to think about and process leads to hesitation in split second situations that favors the boxer that ultimately has less to think about with their craft, THIS IS SCIENCE, YA'LL!! Condensing the most effective techniques and eliminating ineffiency...ALSO, the shortest distance between you and the target is the STRAIGHT PUNCH, backspin punches, roundhouse kicks travel further distance telegraphing the boxer to prepare for the counter and put some STANK on it.
My point is this, MMA is a fad not unlike Dancing with the Stars, and is only popular as a fighting sport because it has some boxing DNA infused into it. Let's face it, when was the last time you saw, or anyone paid attention to Karate matches, kickboxing(again SOO far away from and less effective and enjoyable to watch as boxing) or greco-roman wrestling...The only other "sport" that comes close in popularity to boxing is WWF freestyle wrestling which is pretty much Thunderdome for Chicklet brains...I digress.
"Boxing is an unending Monarchy of Tradition with a Pantheon of Legendary Royalty to which succeeding generations pay homage." My quote.
PBF, has to sell tickets and therefore runs his mouth, which begs comparison to Ali who said, "It ain't bragging if you can back it up". So far, PBF HAS backed it up, only difference he doesn't have the charisma and inate warmth Ali had when he would boast and then wink into the camera laughing at himself in the process...
And as far as the BADASSEDNESS factor is concerned, in how many streetfights do you see guys barefoot in boxer briefs rolling around on a soft mat. Boxing translates better into real world streetfighting, and boxing has killed people even though they wear THOSE BIG GLOVES...AND YES, though not guaranteed I think PDF would have a damm good chance of walking out of that dark alley with Liddell, cause SPEED KILLS baby!!
Honestly, dudes, MMA fighting aside, in a boxing ring I would pick a welterweight PBF against a light heavyweight Liddell...He's THAT good. I honestly don't see Liddell fighting four rounds much less 12 at that level of activity and have personally witnessed 130 pound Nate Campbell knock a 200 pound decent amateur sparring partner almost out of the ring with a right for getting a little too cocky. Peace out.
Monday Apr 16, 2007 12:45:10 AM
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Jason, I must admit that you make no valid points. if you're a boxer and in a street fight, and you break your hand, you have nothing left. MMA fighters train in plenty of different disciplines and are better well equipped to fight than boxers. Also do you not think it is possiblefor someone in an MMA match to kill someone else. Well believe it, cause it has happened. Being a one dimensional fighter is in no way an advantage, because if it was a street fight and you miss your punch, your ass can be dropped ina matter of seconds. Oh and by the way, PBF would have no chance of beating up Liddell. YOu can't honestly think Chuck Liddell's hand speed is slow, cuz if you do you've either never seen Chuck or you'rejust blind. Chuck could be a boxer, but he obviously has other talents in the octagon that he can show off. I don't really like chuck, but watch the chuck and tito fight and watch him light tito up with the fists. Mayweather is just a cocky fool.
Monday Apr 16, 2007 04:54:30 PM
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dave:
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um a blood choke can kill you just as fast and you won't even break your hand, and as far as your "badassedness" Jason talking about how many streetfights do you see guys barefoot in boxer briefs rolling around on a soft mat? Well how many streetfights do you see with guys throwing punches with "those big gloves". If you know anything about h2h combat you'd know you can't throw a truely effective punch without distance and rotation especially in a clinch, but you can throw a damn good elbow/knee from that range. Still wanna bet on PBF and Liddell in a dark alley?
Thursday Apr 19, 2007 02:41:07 PM
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mike:
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a martial artist once said, "if a man was to practice throwing straight punches for two hours a day, after two years, no one in the world could beat him". boxing in 95% natural reflexes. The human body has proven to be able to do unbelievable things such as 1600 pushups in a row 100 per step on the way up six steps to the ring and then 100 each step on the way down done by a featherwieght boxer clapping his hands between each pushup. As well as a heavyweight boxer hitting the heavy bag 75 times in 10 seconds! When a boxer focuses on his hands alone, with the right training he is untouchable. An MMA guy can't even throw 75 punches in a row let alone in 10 seconds. If you've never reached the level of these types of boxers you are in for a rude awakening, however one never knows what a fight can bring. In the end it depends on the individual. Its harder to be the World Boxing Champ than an MMA one.
Thursday Apr 19, 2007 09:05:45 PM
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Jonathan:
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I think it is crazy to think boxing is a better sport. Look I have respect for boxing. It seems to me all these nay sayers have no idea what it is all about. I am a well trained boxer. I am currently helping my friend train for the olympics (boxing). I fight mma though. I can tell you even as a good boxer I was humbled right away by mma fighters. It is like comparing checkers to chess. Even my friend who is an olympic boxer agrees. MMA is here to stay. If you dont agree go down to your local Jui- jitsu training facility and act like a tough guy. Even the likes of mayweather would come out beat down. Throwin punches is not very effective when your arm is shattered. Oh and by the way, these guys are proven to be in the best shape out of ANY other sport. This is coming from an actual practitioner, not a cheerleader like jason.
Sunday Apr 22, 2007 03:10:31 AM
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Stew:
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Hey, no need o compete which sport or athlete is better, but you all are entitled to your opinions.....I have been boxing for many years, along with some MA. Personally, speaking, I think both Boxing and MMA are great sports, and both athletes are good at what they do. Both sports can co-exist at the same time and thrive. However, maybe I am being a little biased, but I do think Boxers are overall slightly better athletes and fighters. Why? because they are constantly moving - jabbing/punching, blocking, bobbing/weaving and countering, where as in MMA they have options if they fail in one style, thus going to the ground or against the cage and pausing, which in boxing, you are not allowed to do. ( No standing 8 count ) Also, boxers being hit all the time, thus taking more punishment!....And sorry, as much as I truly respect MMA and K1, but for the majority of their fighters, it may possibly be a second option to boxing, as they did not have the talent and toughness to make it. Let's be honest, if they were able to, they would be there, as that's where the real $$ is. In boxing, you either "Have it" Or "You don't." It's that simple.......As far as pitting a top Boxer against a top MMA fighter, the boxer will win at his game, and the MMA fighter in his. But, let me throw in a point. I would put my money on Klitschko or Samuel Peter with a 1 RD KO over Couture or Silvia in boxing rules, but I wouldn't go quick on betting an easy submission victory for Siliva or Couture over Klitschko or Peter in MMA rules. There is always a punchers chance for the boxer, and we have yet to see a high ranked boxer ever enter the Octogon. If Klitschko or Peter connects to Couture or Silvia with a clean shot before he has a chance to get a hold of him, and with those 4 oz gloves, I would honestly hate to see what would happen!.....Still having said that, I think both sports are great, and deserve the same respect. So, let's leave it to that!
Sunday Apr 22, 2007 05:41:22 PM
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Jason:
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Very well said, Stew. As for Klitchko or Peter, good lord, I'll tell what would happen, massive maxillofacial injuries, concussion and even death! Like I've said before at that level of boxing skill, larger gloves are absolutely necessary. This is serious business folks. As for Jonathan comments. Your self assessment of your skills as "good" is one thing against an MMA artist, but we are not talking about "good". We are talking about the top practitioners of each respective sport pitted against one another in weight classes to determine superior fighting style which boxing the majority of the time wins. You either "Have it" or "you don't", to quote Stew. Amen. However let's face it, people don't want to hear that and end up in denial. That is why you have "American Idol" for singing and UFC for fighting.
Monday Apr 23, 2007 01:08:43 PM
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Rick:
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Around 1995, the Royce Gracie openly challenged Tyson on the radio. I guarantee that the UFC would love to have a ranked boxer compete and would get the money to allow it to make sense for the boxer. I agree that a boxer's hands are far superior to those of MMA participants. I would go as far as to say that an officially ranked boxer would make a meal out an officially ranked Muay Thai fighter in spite of the devastating leg kicks and elbows. However, when it comes to the ground game, a boxer would be worse than a fish out of water. I have seen it time and time again. A boxer always has a chance to knock someone out cold and that would be a disaster for the MMA guy. But, a simple knock down is not enough, as eventually there is going to be a clinch and the fight is going to go to the ground. Believe me, there are some tough people in MMA. The wrestlers will rain down hell in the form of elbow to the face and perhaps even knees to head and ribs, depending on which MMA rules are in effect. The jiu-jitsu guys will never, ever let you get back up on your feet, ever. In fact you will stay on the ground until someone is either dead, knocked out, or given a submission. There are many jiu-jitsu schools that have an open challenge policy that would welcome Mayweather and "Lights dimmed" Tony.
Tuesday Apr 24, 2007 07:42:30 PM
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Jason:
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Very interesting points, Rick, with sufficient homage to boxing as to be tolerable, haha...There's no doubt these ground-game martial artists have some formidable weapons. I think what it comes down to, and what alot of people are probably most interested in, which may never be fully answered due to the money in in top boxing and the purse's it would take to arrange such a contest, is how many many times out of ten in such a contest is the fight ended by the boxer or the MMA artist. And let's remember too that both types of fighters are very athletic and most possess skills in both departments but dominate in their respective disciplines. Think of it this way, we all know MMA fighters train in all aspects of fighting, but imagine a top ranked boxer training for an MMA fight for six mos working on take down defense and jiu-jitsu ON TOP of his vastly superior hand skills...enter a better version of Chuck Liddell. But untill UFC is as popular as lucrative as Boxing it will be difficult to lure the top boxers away. However let's not forget Boxing is a pure sport and MMA is more contest and entertainment.
Wednesday Apr 25, 2007 03:39:31 PM
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Rick:
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Jason, it seems that we are both fans of the combative sports. I am a Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) athlete and also a boxing and MMA fan. It sounds like you are definitely a boxing fan and not real fond of MMA. At any rate MMA owes its current existence to BJJ, and in particular Royce Gracie. He fought all comers, all fighting styles, without time limits, and without weight classes. His family has always (the past eight years) had an open challege policy, with no time limits. They have challenged Joe Lewis, Ali, and Tyson, to name a few. No one has ever responded. To the best of my knowledge, this policy stands to this day. That said a true BJJ black belt WILL get any fight to the ground unless he is totally knocked unconscious, which arguably could happen. However, the reality remains that "out cold" knockouts are relatively rare. In fact, there are more "out cold" situations in MMA caused by head kicks and BJJ chokes. Six months training is not enough to counter a lifetime of ground training. To say otherwise is to say that a professional boxer would not be able to land a punch on an BJJ player who trained in boxing for six months--it is simply not reality. With all this said, once a boxer trained the ground game, he would no longer be a boxer, he'd be an MMA fighter. I would bet that a top ten ranked boxer would probably win against most "standup only" MMA guys even though they would have to endure their devastating leg kicks. But against a true ground fighter, whether it is wrestling with "ground and pound, " or BJJ with "ground and pound," boxing is a non-contest even with the six months training in takedown defense and Jiu-Jitsu training. The situation would be even more one sided if the original MMA rules were still in effect (no holds barred, except, no biting, no gouging). Let me make this clear to everyone, I am positive that James Tony would get slaughtered in UFC or Pride. His trainers should hide them twinkies, because that belly he is sporting will cost him big time. Mayweather should go to the Gracie Academy in Torrence, CA, issue his challege and see what happens to him. I am quite sure they would welcome him with open arms to a fight without time limits.
Thursday Apr 26, 2007 12:07:01 AM
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Rick:
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It sounds like Dana White of UFC and Pride welcomes a challenge from Mayweather. If Mayweather truly believed that he would make short work out of MMA, he would accept Dana's offer in a heartbeat. Consider for a second the ramifications,his mouth not withstanding, Mayweather could lose in an MMA event and lose little credibility both in the boxing world and in MMA, as he would still be a world class boxer. He may actually end up being a better, more humble,person, who knows. On the other hand if Mayweather is correct and he could blow away the MMA guys, he should step up, especially since he feels that there is no room for both sports in the legitimate sports world. His defeat of a high-level MMA fighter would spell the end of MMA as we know it. If, in a subsequent fight, a boxer was again capable of making short work out of a high-level MMA guy, MMA would be destroyed completely. No more PPV numbers and all but the most dedicated MMA fan would embrace the "Sweet Science." If Mayweather truly believes the nonsense that came out of his mouth regarding MMA, then he owes it to the sport that made him famous and to his fans, to eliminate the MMA sham once and for all. This is all it would take folks, really. My money is with MMA, but again, I truly believe they are totally different sports, with MMA requiring a greater breadth of fighting skills and boxing being a masterful skill requiring high-level skill in punching. I really don't think the two should be at odds with one another, but it is what it is and Mayweather should step up to the plate or else stop the ridiculous monologue.
Thursday Apr 26, 2007 01:07:55 AM
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Stew:
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Thanks, Jason. You make some good points too......Like I said, while I am primarily a Boxer, I do appreciate both Boxing and MMA, but as much as I really like MMA don't think it will be in the same class as Boxing anytime soon, but they really do have a good thing going!....As for your note, Rick, while I respect your opinions, I will mention a few points of my own: 1. If an elite boxer spends half a year to a year training in take down/ground defense, he will defeat a BJJ blackbelt! If I re-call, in one of Royce Gracie's fights will Ken Shamrock, Shamrock landed on on Gracie, and Shamrock would not even hold his own with a C level boxer! What if that was Tyosn who hit him instead?!.....Also, I just saw on Ultimate fighter 5 a BJJ blackbelt lose to a striker, and while the BJJ guy was trying to stand up with him, he did make some attempts to take him down, and failed, because the striker ( Who was not even a boxer, btw ) had good take down defense. 2. As for Royce Gracie's challenge to Mike Tyson. Gracie knows darn well that Tyson would NOT be able to fight him, anyways, as Tyson is under contract, thus the fight would have to be sanctioned. I also would not be surprised at the same time, if Gracie would also need to apply for a licence as well, even though he would only use what he knows best -Gracie BJJ. Also, do you think Tyson and his entourage would even think that it is worth their time?? They probebly even said: "Who is this guy"? ( at that time) Don't get me wrong, I like and respect all the Gracies etc.....The same with Ali and Lewis. Sure they have more to lose, but considering their status, it is not worth their time........And if you want my honest opinion? Maybe once again, maybe I am being biased, but if the fight did happen, I would have placed my money on Tyson. This was a dude who fought to kill! Don't even mention and compare to Art Jimmerson - the boxer who tapped out to Gracie in UFC 1, because that dude would not even last half a round with Tyson. Tyson's punches came from all angles, and he was not only so POWEFUL, he was deadly quick!! It's a possibility if Gracie attempted a take down, there is a good chance that he might have eaten a vicious Tyson uppercut! Let me make this simple: Uppercut, hook, straight cross, Tyson had deadly accuracy, and would definetely hit Gracie! And lord knows if he would have even stopped at that!? ......As for the Mayweather debate. Mayweather would destroy Liddell in a boxing match. Liddell would be too slow, I repeat too slow for Mayweather. MMA, he would win, but not guranteed, you never know? .......3. As for a Street fight. As Bruce Lee said, most fights last ten second or less. A KO ends most fights, so I agree with Jason and boxing the majority of the time (but not always) wins!.....All fights start off standing, and this notion that 80- 90% of fights end up on the ground is purely imo exaggerated. It's 50/50, if you ask me.....And lastly, what is the stance ALL FIGHTERS use, whether they are posing on tv, picture or plain post victory pose?.....A BOXERS STANCE.
Thursday Apr 26, 2007 11:04:38 PM
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Rick:
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First, I love and respect boxing, so if I am offending anyone, please let me know asap, as I really do not wish to become a nuissance. But as far as MMA vs. Boxing, I have got a couple of opinions: most fights on the street and cage will end up on the ground, support to my assertion lies in the fact that there are so many clinches in boxing. In boxing, the referee breaks up the clinches. What do you think would be the end result of a clinch in a dark alley? There are a lot of guys who do have good ground defense and there are also a lot of guys who have bogus BJJ black belts. Has anyone ever seen a fight with any black belt from Carlson Gracie BJJ or the Gracie Academy in Torrance, CA that did not end up on the ground? Well let me let you in a little secret. . .they have all ended up on the ground. So Stew. . .are you telling me that Tyson or Lenox Lewis could face an Olympic wrestler on the street and remain on their feet? Likewise, could they remain on their feet facing an NFL linebacker in the ring? There would have to be a complete knockout in order for the boxer to remain on their feet. And yeah, Royce Gracie's stand-up game is weak and he would have went down if Tyson would have hit him with a similar punch as Shamrock hit him with, but again, unless Gracie was out cold, it would have ended up on the ground and Tyson would have been tapped out. A straight boxer against BJJ would get spanked 99% of the time, with the 1% being the "knocked out cold" victory for the boxer. Once a boxer starts training ground and takedown defense, he is no longer a boxer, he is an MMA fighter by definition. So someone with world class hands that had decent ground would be one bad dude. Like I wrote in my last post. . .I am pretty sure there are MMA guys who would kill for the opportunity to fight Mayweather. Mayweather should either step up or stop with his ridiculous monologue. MMA has put a big hurting on boxing's PPV numbers and if Mayweather really felt he could put his money where his mouth is on this, he would be doing the sport of boxing a huge service; i.e., he would have the chance to expose MMA for the sham it really is!
Saturday Apr 28, 2007 03:01:24 AM
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Jason:
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Great points Stew...Does anybody ever wonder why in these debates MMA fans always revert to the streetfight argument...what gives? First off streetfighting doesn't have santioned rules...boxing and MMA have rules. Although clinching is a temporary allowance that enables a fighter to regroup, soon he is separated to face the music, must constantly endure punishment within the confines of his discipline to figure out how to defeat his opponent. Whereas the MMA fighter relies on a prolonged clinch on the ground exchanging PUNCHES that have no real power to them.
Streefighting is not a sport, not a science, not anything but a Neanderthalic contest where invariably the combatants win by Luck...SOO, using Rick's logic, as well as his wanton use of questionable percentages and statistics, and most other MMA fans they inadvertantly ADMIT that their fighting style is inferior to boxing and relies largely on LUCK...Frankly, in a streetfight if someone got the better of me on the ground and tried to beat the s*** outta me I'd be inclined to eyepoke, bite, or go for the nads, dirty?..absolutely, sporting?...hardly. The last streetfight/barfight I was in took me ONE punch to finish after a guy tried to tackle me. Frankly, I simply didn't feel the need to get in a knockdown, dragout contest of willpower. I simply chose to end it the quickest and efficient way possible, that's right, those boxing skills can do more than keep your heart healthy(I didn't start it BTW lest anyone think I'm a hooligan and besmirch my highly esteemed reputation on here, haha)
If you want to learn the TRUTH using science, there has to be a
control and a variable with repeated tests to determine a true statistical inference. Top ten boxers vs MMA artist's fighting under each other rules and then run the percentages. Even if I bet conservatively boxer's winning 90% in the ring and only 50% in the octagon, thats a 70% victory percentage to the boxer
So far, we know this, that MMA artists settle for UFC and less money because they can't make it in boxing. Because if the top of boxing were easier to achieve AND they could make more money...they'd be boxer's.
MMA is fad and may temporarily produce higher PPV numbers, but then again, even though Rick states that, it remains undocumented.
To say that the burden is on boxer to prove MMA is a sham would be like Pavarotti challenging Britney Spears to a singing contest because she sold more albums. Sheer popularity is not always indicative of quality.
Second, boxing on the surface CAN be boring to the untrained eye except for the biggest and flashiest names such as the Tyson's and Sugar Ray's and exciting heavyweights, of which there is a drought right now, the overall number a core perennial fans are going to be smaller more savvy group.
Whereas any idiot with a six pack who fancies himself a tough guy but never stepped in the ring for a single round of boxing, or did and got his head handed to him, still thinks he could win if he used "the tricks up his sleeve...liiike inna streetfiiight, yup....is the typical MMA fan.
Honestly, Rick, et al, do you really think that outside the ring the likes of Tyson and Lewis would be simply easily taken down and pummelled helplessly...Really?
Do you think a boxer wouldn't see a takedown coming and just stand there and get tackled?...Really? You ever watch and wonder how one of those Spaniard's prevents a two thousand pound bull from trampling to him to bits in the arena? No wait, I think that does happen...1% of the time, I think.
As it relates to fighting, I'll tell ya, it's called mastery of technique with the most economic and efficient fighting instrument on the human body...the hands.(I know some smartalecks will say the Brain, but follow me here)
Takedown's require loss of inertial control, making one vulnerable to punches... Kicks can only be done one a time and cover further distance's while the other foot has to remain on the ground...making one vulnerable to punches. True on the ground punches are less effective...Good luck getting there against a very good boxer...at least while still remaining conscious.
Ever hear the expression, " Jack of all trades, master of none"?
That's what MMA fighting amounts to.
Sunday Apr 29, 2007 12:14:45 AM
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OK Jason et. al.. . .again, I do not have an agenda, so this will be my last post on the subject unless there is some breaking news. Unfortunately, I guess my point was missed completely. MMA is supposed to simulate a street fight. Rules were imposed because the boxing lobby threatened MMA to its core and was on the edge of being totally outlawed in the US until Dana White and like minded individuals agreed to increased rules. Some MMA fighters are more skilled than others. However, I don't think there are any underskilled would be boxers in MMA these days. In fact, I am the last of my kind, a BJJ practicioner who also loves the sport of boxing--most of my colleagues have zero interest in boxing. I am pretty sure this is across the board in MMA. So the idea of MMA guys being third rate or lower boxers is a fantasy. If we are talking MMA in the ring with boxing rules, I could say that any ranked boxer will likely destroy any MMA guy using "Hands only." Add kicks, then it will probably be closer to Jason's estimate of 90%, because eventually some boxer's leg is going to break because of a kick. In the MMA cage, any boxer who thinks their hands are so deadly that no one is going to get him to the ground is going to be in for a rude awakening. I admit that any MMA guy who's game is striking and has a weak ground game, will be destroyed by a good boxer in most cases. At the same time, I can guarantee you that MMA has "stand-up only" guys who could last in the ring with Tyson for longer than Spinks did. Anyway, Jason and Stew. . .the attitude you appear to hold is exactly what has led to the decline of the sport of boxing. Boxing has already lost youth interest--don't take it from me, go and poll the senior class at your local high school! Once this happens in totality, there will be a loss of sponsorship which will really lead to a nail in boxing's coffin. This is reality. . . ask your local promoter. And finally and again. . . Mayweather and his big mouth has a golden opportunity to save his beloved sport by stepping into the Octagon and once and for all exposing MMA as a landing spot for so-called "tough men" and other sub-par boxers. Unfortunately, I do not think he even has the guts!
Sunday Apr 29, 2007 06:55:30 PM
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Hi Jason, you just mimicked my words - very well put. I couldn't have said better myself.....Rick, No, you're not offending anyone at all. However, once again, while I I respect your opinions and there is some truth to what you say, overall, I don't agree with you, and I don't think your being entirely "logical"......You're getting a little confused between Sport vs a Street fight. Do you honestly think that Lewis ( 6-5, 265 lbs when not in training ) and Tyson ( 5-11, 235 lbs ) will be easy to take take down?? In a cage, it is designed in a way that the fighters do not have much room to go/run, and quite frankly, a wrestler/BJJ practitioner will have a good, but NOT and easy chance of getting Lewis or Tyson to the ground. Now, in streetfight, it is wide open, no rules, no ref, no "pillow gloves" and hard concrete or other enviomental factors etc....In a street fight, it is a totally different mind set than cage fight. A real street/bar fight lasts 10 seconds, and usally someone always gets hit/hurt or killed by a KO punch! In a street fight, you don't think, you're pissed out of your mind, and you're not worried about losing or your reputation. You're thinking of hurting or killing the other guy. It's survinal! Do you honestly think Lewis and Tyson would just stand there to get taken down?! Good luck, they are incredibly strong! They are going to hit you right away, and if the first one doesn't do it, they will hit you a 10 times, before you even blink! Boxer srae also known to have very good fighting instincts, and many of them have been in street fights - nothing alien to them, mind you! Do you also think they would also just use boxing if by pure chance they were in a clinch? They won't stand there letting a ref to break it up! They won't be wearing 16 oz gloves that will be stuck bewteen an opponents arms........Also, many fight experts even pointed out that the best grapplers can be vulnerable in the street. Why? They can get eye gauged, their nuts grabbed, hair pulled, bitten, scratched and stabbed!.....Don't get me wrong, grappplers can handle themselves and will win against almost anyone, but against and good pro boxer/striker, I really think they would be at odds in a street fight. Ha ha! Try Tyson, who has had a wealth of experience in street fights. Beleive me, I would not bet on any MMA fighter beating that dude on the street. Like I said, different mind set. Just ask Mitch Green ( Former Pro Boxer ) Tyson took one quick swing at him, and half of his face was so bleeped up, he pracitaclly looked like the "elephant man"! .....Now, like I said before, I am a fan off MMA and K1, and their athletes are well deserving of respect. They are good athletes, and most of them, NOT all would be in boxing if they could. Some have even attempted, all failed. Jens Pulver did it, ansd as far as I know, wond his few fights, but he knew that the guys he fought were barely "C" level boxers and they gave him more than he could handle! I am sure is back in the UFC, because he realized that, that was as good as it was going to be for him in boxing. And there are MMA fighters I beleive who just prefer MA over boxing, and $$ is not a factor, but the love of just fighting. But then again, in a sense, all of these MMA fighters do NOT have the talent to be competative boxers,a nd if they could, they would have. MMA and UFC think Chuck Liddle is a bad dude! He is good, don't get me wrong, but the MMA fans think he would be a great boxer. Give me a break!! If he could, he would! He can hit a HW "B" level boxer just standing there with those 4oz gloves, and they would just laugh it off. Liddell, in my estimations would at best be a "C" level HW boxer, ranked in the top 50 at the very best! Let me tell you the difference in hand speed and power of a HW pro boxer opposed to a LHW and HW MMA fighter. It's almost like night and day......Yes, exactly Jason, Most MMA fighters are a "jack of all trades", but not a "Master in one". However, there are some MMA fighters that do master in an art, ( most notably wrestler, and BJJ artists, which is why they do so well ) but there games are NOT as serious as professional boxing! Boxers are better at their craft, train harder and I think because they must stay on their feet oervall, have slightly better conditioning, even though MMA and boxing do appear to have sloightly different aspects of cardio......And lastly, I will give you three different street fight scenerios. 1. I heard this story that in Sweden this cocky BJJ practitioner ( ai am not sure if he was a black or brown belt ) tried to grab the other guy to the ground, but the guy was strong and just slammed him on the concrete! Word is he was badly hurt or killed. ....2. In Canada, where I am from, there was a school fight, and it ended with just one qiuck punch! The victom of that punch was killed before he hit the ground!.....3. A pro boxer, while he was an amateur boxer at the time, was in a bar fight. He threw one punch at his attacker and snapped his neck, killing him instantly!........Lewis once mentioned that sport fighting and street fighting are two different scenerios. Both are dangerous, but one you are fighting to win, and the other for survival!....And lastly, yes, I always do think under rules, a grappler has the upper hand to win over a boxer/striker, but in a no rules street fight, no way! Just remember, MMA and K! brag about boxer doing poorly. Well, were they? they were pitting "C" level boxers against "A" level fighters. Botha is in K! because he was not only a one time"B+" boxer at the very best, but he was when he left, he was a "C"+ boxer, along with Ray Mercer, who was at least was once a A" boxer, but like 15 years ago!....So, give me a break! Nothing for MMA and K1 to brag about winning agaist a "washed up" late 30's and mid 40 boxers!
Sunday Apr 29, 2007 08:13:41 PM
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Well friends and neighbors often have opposing and diverse opinions, so we'll have to leave the debate where it stands pending further development. Now to the sport of boxing. . .Man I sure would love to see De La Hoya beat Mayweather. Does anyone think DLH has a chance? Also, does anyone think that governing organizations should impose substantial fines when a player (I use this term to describe a boxer, as they are a participant in sport and not a ruthless gladiator) curses during a press conference covered in print, radio, or television? I have seen this happen in many sports, but in particular boxing and MMA. I think that fighters, especially in today's political climate (too many "girlymen," as the Governor of California so eloquently put it), should be ambassadors for the sport. Which is a tough assignment when some players are overtly disrespecting opponents and cursing on television,etc. The cursing is really setting a horrible example for the children (the future of this or any other sport) and also provides ammunition for those who cite boxing as a sport enjoyed by barbarians in their ridiculous attempts to limit or ban the combative sports. Does anyone share my opinion?
Monday Apr 30, 2007 02:00:21 AM
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Hi Rick, just to make clear our debates are good and interesting. I value your points along with Jason's as well. Like I said, I am a fan of MMA and I do think ground fighting/grappling is very valuable.....This MMA/boxing/grappling debate has been going on a while, and will probably continue for so long. :)....Anyways, in response to your comment....
I am a fan of both DLH and PBF, so I am not actually rooting for anyone. I just would like to see a really good action filled fight, but I have to give the upper hand to PBF. It's easy to dislike him due to some of his immature, ignorant comments and acts, which are uncalled for, however, I do think it's all part of the "hype". I think PBF comments on MMA was out of line, even though he has been able to back up his talk. I still think he went to far, but then again, maybe it was his way of creating more hype for the fight and himself!
Overall, yes, I can share your opinions, and I i will also be the first to admit that boxing has a lot of politricks, which is something we don't see in UFC/MMA, at least not yet, anyways...
As far as fines are concerned, yes, most sports do this, so boxing should as well. I do think Hype is a good way to promote an upcoming event for a sport, but then again, you have to "draw the line" and sometimes it goes too far!
Good points, Rick!
Monday Apr 30, 2007 08:03:45 PM
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If you're going to speak up from boxing at least take a glance at the history books. Prize fighting used to a HUGE sport and allowed certain grappling techniques like throws.
As for the stupid reference to the smalle UFC gloves being more dangerous I'm not sure you're right on that. You do know gloves protect the hand an not the opponent right?
I mean they make it so you can hit harder, more often, although they do spare him a cut or two. Big deal.
Boxing IS more dangerous than MMA but quite why anyone would want that as a bragging rite for thier sport is beyond me.
If it's so easy to learn takedown defence why can someone like Couture still take people down (including Chuck Liddell who is a verygood wrestler himself).
Saturday May 5, 2007 01:34:40 PM
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Hi David, I don't think anyone, including myself ever mentioned that learning take down defence would be easy. All ( well ast least me ) we were expressing was that an elite boxer who studies and learns good take down defence for a half a year to a year, along with taking some kicks will be very hard pressed. It works for Liddell, because he's won his past 6 or 7 fights by way of KO, twice with Couture, who was NOT able to take him down.....Put Lennox Lewis or the Klitschko brothers ( Who have experience in Kick Boxing ) in there, and , with the right training of take down defence, they would be very difficult to beat. Just imagine if they connected with those 4oz gloves, plus the fact their hand speed will also be 4 times quicker without 16 oz gloves....That would potentially be devestating!
Friday May 11, 2007 05:48:35 PM
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MMA has fighters with elite boxing training? LOL I have yet seen a MMA fighter with hands good enough to even win a open Golden Gloves tournament in Houston! They lack even the basic boxing skills! I have yet seen an MMA fighter beat an elite boxer ether.
Yeah, I've seen them beat a couple of journey boxers who wouldn't last one minute against any top ranked amature boxer...but that's not really saying anything to me. When I see an MMA fighter take out an elite boxer, that is in training, then I might have a different out look. But I have yet seen it happen.
And Dana White! STFU!!! No professional boxer could come into your UFC sport and beat any of your guys??? How the fuck do you know?? Oh, I forgot....You used to box too. So, naturally, if an MMA fighter can whoop you, they can whoop any boxer too. Since you are the best boxer ever.....NOT!!! I've seen you box and you pretty much suck yourself. You wouldn't last one round against an amature Texas stae champion in boxing. I, myself, would beat the fuck out of you and I was only a 132 pound fighter that was on the USA team from 1995 to 1999.
That's another problem with you MMA fighters and supporters. You see a MMA fighter take out some journeyman boxer, with no skills, so naturally all boxers fight like that journeyman boxer.....YOU STUPID MEATHEAD!! Are you guys really that stupid?? OK, if we're gonna do that....I watched a female kick boxer knock out a male kick boxer....So, I guess that means that all female kick boxers are better than any male kick boxer can ever be....
Saturday Jun 23, 2007 04:10:34 AM
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Oh! And another thing... Where do you idiots get the ideal that professional boxing matches use 16 once gloves??? Yeah, we use those during sparring but not in fights. Hell, we use only 10 once gloves in amature boxing! Pro boxing use 6 to 8 once gloves! STUPID!
Sunday Jun 24, 2007 12:55:15 AM
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Oh! And another thing... Where do you idiots get the ideal that professional boxing matches use 16 once gloves??? Yeah, we use those during sparring but not in fights. Hell, we use only 10 once gloves in amature boxing! Pro boxing use 6 to 8 once gloves! STUPID!
Sunday Jun 24, 2007 03:20:01 PM
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After watching a few boxing and MMA matches since my last post, I am now thoroughly convinced that MMA will beat boxing in most cases. The boxing stance alone puts a boxer at a disadvantage; i.e., the stance used for balance and power in a ring setting is not a viable stance for MMA, as it leaves the fighter too vulnerable. And to RickM. . .bring your amateur boxing club to any Gracie Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu school and issue a challenge. It will be a good learning experience, not to mention a humbling one.
Friday Jun 29, 2007 12:59:33 AM
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For the guy by name Joe, i read your stupid comment in regard to Mayweather. He is the best period. He let Oscar jump and box the air and then landed alot of punches straight at his face. Oscar is overated and no way in the hell he can beat pritty boy. Dont hate him because he is good just wish him the best. He is small than Oscar but still he showed him that you need your brains to fight and he purely dominated the big guy. Oscar was promoting the fight and that is why one judge gave the fight to him. He only landed 86 punches against 256 and only 38 power punches against 168 and with that analysis even an idiot can tell who is the best boxer and shame on you.
Friday Jul 20, 2007 06:00:39 PM
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This Jason dude keeps pissing me off with the same comments and references all the time...listen up dude...boxing is a great sport and I watch it every time I get a chance, but what is not to like about finding out who is better all around...MMA fighters are better athletes because they dont just stand and punch, they also wrestle, kickbox, grapple, BJJ. And if you think they clinch in order to rest you are wrong. Maybe somebody has done it to rest, but he must not be elite enough to handle it..and by the way, dont I see a lot of "hugging" in boxing?!!! WTF do you think that is? Certainly it isnt resting is it? Yeah right....when somebody clinches they do it in order to force the opponents head down and throw knees into the body and the face...Boxing is one sided, all you do is punch..MMA is a display of any and every style of fighting...you guys that keep "hating" on MMA probably just have a fear of your favorite sport (boxing) being taken over by a more desirable sport. And to reply to the "fad" comment that was mentioned before, UFC alone has been here for 17 years and it is growing bigger every year...you would have to kill all the MMA fighters and never allow anyone else to ever participate in order to stop this sport...Now all you MMA haters WILL order the next UFC PPV and like it!!!! Either that or sit at home and wait and wait and wait and wait for the next boxing match that is even worth watching...PERIOD
Friday Sep 7, 2007 06:02:07 PM
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MMA fighters are better athletes than boxers?? This is news to me. I practiced Jeet Kune Do up until a couple of years ago, and I sparred six times in MMA rules. Those fighters are really good, but in my experiece I have noticed that MMA fighters do not possess the speed and hand eye coordination that boxers do. I remember the day I sparred a proffessional featherweight boxer in New Orleans. I did not think it was going to be nearly as intense as the MMA sparring I had been doing. About 1 minute into the first round, I was totally fucked up. His speed was on another level.
Saturday Oct 27, 2007 09:16:15 PM
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Guys first of all Mayweather is a great CHAMPION, IN BOXING, Don't get confused about MMA. If he has the balls to get in the ring with anyone who is MMa (not like KIMBo) then good night. It is differnt styles and for those who think other whise,about fighting then shame on you.
Sunday Dec 2, 2007 01:24:30 AM
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I'll agree that boxers have great TKO power and all but in Boxing all you do is trade punches as Joe rogan put it "Boxing is the art of punching". The punching in MMA may look a little different but that's because unlike in Boxing, you've got a lot more to look out for. The clinch for example, in boxing the refs break the clinch...in mma the clinch is a very valuable weapon. Think I'm crazy, watch Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin or Wanderlei Silva vs Quinton Jackson. Those fights are perfect examples of guys getting picked apart by knees and punches from inside the clinch. Last time I checked clinch fighting wasn't allowed in boxing, not anywhere near like it is MMA.
There have knockouts by headkick, fights ended because legs were cutdown by repeated leg kickss. The ground aspect of mma, takedowns followed by GnP and submissions. All of these things boxers don't have to worry about. The level of punching may not be as good in MMA because these guys have to devote their training time to more than just working on their boxing. Boxers develop their hand speed and what have you because that's what all of their training is geared towards. If you concentrate on developing one thing long enough you can master it. What were the early UFC tournaments designed for? To see which style would work in a real fight and as time has gone we see that cross training works best.
Floyd mayweather is what, a 155 lbs fighter, he would be going against other guys at that weight class in MMA (Sherk, Penn, Thomas, Florian, Stout) just to name a few. The boxing fanbase here seems to forget that MMA has weight classes and the rounds are 5 minutes. Floyd would probably have the edge in the boxing aspect of it, but throw in kicks, knees, elbows, and the grappling on the ground aspect and because he doesn't have the well rounded skills of the other guys he would be picked apart. He could always try to keep the fight standing but it's hard to keep guys like Sherk and Penn from taking you down.
The argument "these guys couldn't make it in boxing" is the most lame ass shit I've ever heard. The question is could these top level boxers make it in MMA with their limited skillset is the question? These guys who couldn't make it come from wrestling and kickboxing backgrounds and the such. In MMA the boxers can incorporate their skill sets, the other guys would have to disregard theirs if they were to go into boxing. That's why these guys do MMA, because they incorporate their prior skill set and intergrate it with the additional skills they learn.
The argument of which is more effective in a street fight is really dependent on the circumstances involved. Street fights are for the most part anything goes, people can use whatever pussy ass thing they want: Biting, hair pulling, eye gouging, groin shots, weapons, ganging up, etc. The skill involved in that is non existent. This discussion should be more towards boxers and MMA guys of equal size and strength going head to head.
Does anyone honestly believe that simply having mastery over their opponent in the standing punching game is going to mean total domination of you opponent.
I think boxing is a great sport and it defintitely has it's place but to suggest it's the be all end all of combat sports is ridiculous. MMA is the sport of the future and boxing is a big part of it.
Friday Dec 21, 2007 06:47:23 AM
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And if cows could fly they would be birds right? Just because someone is good in one sport doesn't mean they will be good in another sport. Boxing and MMA are totally different with completely different skill sets. You can't compare them. That's like trying to compare baseball vs football players and who has the better athletes. Or which Martial arts or boxing style is most effective. Or who would win in a street fight....here's a scenario Let's say the boxer knocks out the MMA guy in a street fight. But then the MMA guys buddy pulls out a gun and shots the boxer in the head. It's a street fight right...anything goes. These arguments are pointless. Just appreciate each sport for what it is.
Saturday Dec 22, 2007 09:55:56 AM
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Jason listen the eutopia you are refering to with boxing being the superior sport doesnt exist the fact is that boxing is a dying one dimensional sport. MMA is and incorporation of boxing along with so many other sports that include countless seperate skills. No mma fighter could match Mayweather in boxing but thats like saying no football player could beat michael jordan in a game of basketball. And comparing mma to street fights is a mistake because mma is tactical and very balanced in physical and mental awareness and composure. All MMA fighters do train boxing and striking either as their first sport or one they learned years ago. No mma fighter is unexperienced in striking. NONE. If he steps into the octagon with any mma fighter currently he will be overwhelmed by lack of experience. As for saying boxers are superior athletes you are wrong. You can not compare all the competitors in a sport to all of the competitors in another sport its stupid it is very case sensitive. For instance you know who competed in boxing. . . Butterbean. Guess what in mma he would get smashed i know he did mma and won a few fights but wtf i bet any hick with heavy hands has a chance to win a fight with a swing of the arm and an unwary opponent. The fact is pbf cannot compete with this level of well roundedness or with the skills experience and strength required of the sport. The lack of skill in ground game, kickboxing and everything else associated with mma with the one exception of boxing. It is comparing apples to oranges and this argument cannot be won until Mayweather fights and is either proven too cocky for his own good or a general athlete capable of anything. As for the ignorance of some mma is not a street fight at all. Experts and fans all see that there is so much more tactic and technique involved with the competitors of this sport do your homework and you will realized im right some very renowned sports writers and fanatics agree that mma is so much more than meets the eye.
Wednesday Jan 2, 2007 03:11:58 PM
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Now lets be realistic, If we are all honest any grappler bbj fighter knows if they were in a real street fight they would perfer to stay on there feet. where they can keep there eyes on there oppoent , once on the ground you subject yourself to many more potential risks.We have all seen ufc matches that have ended in the winner becoming the looser because of a take down going wrong.On the street you look to end things as fast as possible not spend 10 minutes trying to choke or submit an attacker.
Wednesday Jan 2, 2007 11:19:00 PM
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Floyd is a great boxer, one of the best (hasnt fought anyone in their prime except for corrales. But if he dares step into ufc, that could well be the last fight of his life, hell he may end up in the hospital fighting for his life. too many different techniques for him. what can he do on the ground? ill tell you what he can do......either tap out or get his arm, leg, or neck broken. shut up floyd, do what you do but dont take it too far bro.
Monday Sep 22, 2008 11:21:53 PM
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Will:
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Actually, MMA fighters have been shown to have heavier punching power than boxers. Fight science proved it.
Monday Jun 15, 2009 09:44:12 PM
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Thats was a stat based on ricky hattons power punching ( a lightweight) compared to a 228 pound randy. come on ricky hattons right handed hook averages 400 KG(5700 PSI and you got it super backward because he OUTPUNCHED RANDY COTURE!!! Randy hit at 500 pounds ( 3214 PSI) and ricky hatton is a lightweight boxer. sorry I just threw a huge wrench in your Logic there will. so Lennox Lewis can prolly punch a good 5 times harder and Tyson had a punch that was capable of literally crushing a human skull. Im an MMA fighter in Cali and Ill be real when I say boxers are just better at punching than MMA fighters. since i took boxing in February My skills on my feet have dramatically increased so I can use my Grappling as a last line of defense. hey Re Read fight science
Now the ongoing war between mma and boxing. well Im a firm believer in Both skills its hard to deny ether one. but I am seeing after the tremendous ass whoopin suffered by Rashad evans, MMA fighters are quick to gain and quick to fall. Chuck liddel won the belt, then lost the belt and now hes on a losing streak, so did Ortiz. you wont ever hear about those 2 getting another title shot because like all MMA fighters it fly- by- night. Lyoto Mahida, Fedor, and GSP are the only Legit fighters I can name because they have trained for long times to perfect their craft. I dont see a wrestler going to MMA and beating Machida. Rashad evans is a fantastic wrestler, couldnt even take Machida down. so what happens when you get a great boxer with great evasive skills vs a wrestler or jiu jitsu ace hell stick to his guns and evade like machida does and rain down hell fire on the face of an mma fighter. Im a all state wrestler and Guys that were all americans at college couldnt take me down when I stalled. but throw a few punches in there and its even tougher.
Furthermore. MMA needs to explaine brock lesnar before we call ourselves the greater sport Brock lesnar was a wrestler with no boxing experience and a pro wrestler who did little striking to being heavyweight champ mma? so It relly doesn't require alot of training to be a great fighter in MMA. 3-1 and heavyweight champion what a fucking joke. and Will he beat randy coture, no he Knocked him the fuck out! it takes a boxer years to perfect his skills to even try the pro circuit at least 20 fights to climb the ranks. so hey are we really the better sport or are we just a fad? if you can climb the ranks so easily in mma wheres the top dog?
Sunday Jul 5, 2009 10:18:51 AM
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They're both great sports. Meaning there are rules. To quote G Gordon Liddy, 'there's no such thing as a fair fight.' - meaning, no rules. I got into a fight with a boxer once. He punched me, broke his hand - and then I beat him pretty good til he gave up. I know a golden glove boxer who got into a fighter with a minor leage baseball player, got his ass kicked by the basebal player. I could continue with more stories about boxers getting beat up ... I study a very old traditional Japanse combat martial art -no rules. Very simple, in combat you try to kill your opponent. Comparing Tyson to others is a joke - how many of us are gonna encounter someone who punches like Tyson ... I'd simply shoot him. I'd much rather fight a boxer on the street than a skilled MMA fighter. Oh yeah, I also possess border line world class strength - wrist are pretty easy to break ... which, by the way is illegal in UFC (small joint manipulation). Once again, boxing and MMA have RULES. What are gonna do when you puch someone and he laughs at you, grabs you, and proceeds to beat you like a heavy bag hanging in his garage?
Saturday Nov 21, 2009 02:10:25 PM
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... and another thing ... when I hit my heavybag I don't wear gloves or tape. That's called conditioning your fist. I've never seen a boxer train w/ out gloves or tape. In a street fight, what are you gonna do ... say,' wait, let me put my gloves on'.
Saturday Nov 21, 2009 02:16:19 PM
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mma is a fad! mayweather has true skills. martial arts are about self defense and respect. ther not about fighting, ufc is full of it, mma is full of it. boxing rules and has ruled since ancient times.
Saturday Apr 10, 2010 06:38:05 PM
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Sean Sherk(former UFC lightweight champ) called out Floyd Mayweather and then floyd said he was just saying that stuff to hype a fight. He was scared! Sean sherk wold take him any day of the week.
I am a huge fan of boxing, but a bigger fan of fighting!
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The Lone Star State Beckons Boxing Back
9/3/10, Dallas, Texas --- "WELCOME TO TEXAS" --- Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (ctr) welcomes superstar Manny Pacquiao (L) and three-time world champion Antonio Margarito (R) to Cowboy Stadium at the press conference Friday for their upcoming mega fight on November 13 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington,Texas. Pacquiao vs Margarito is promoted by Top Rank in association with MP Promotions and Cowboys Stadium. This telecast will be available live on HBO Pay Per View.
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