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Wednesday Jan 3, 2006

Five months ahead of the mega-fight between "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather and the "Golden Boy" Oscar De La Hoya, the first blow has already been landed, that being by Floyd Mayweather Jr. bettors against the sportsbooks. And the hit was hard.

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Mayweather Money Moves In

By Joey Knish

Five months ahead of the mega-fight between "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather and the "Golden Boy" Oscar De La Hoya, the first blow has already been landed, that being by Floyd Mayweather Jr. bettors against the sportsbooks. And the hit was hard.

A few weeks ago sportsbooks started posting the opening lines for the May 5th event that has landed at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada. The consensus was that Mayweather would be a favorite to win the fight, but the debate as to what line was right for the fight was a heated one. Remember that the main function of the betting line is not so much to predict the winner of the event, but its purpose is also to evenly divide betting action on a bout with as little line movement as possible.

The early number clearly didn't do that.

Offshore sportsbooks opened the 29-year-old Mayweather as a -170 favorite which required bettors to risk $170 to profit $100. If one was to bet on De La Hoya at the opening number they would have been getting +150, or a profit of $150 for each $100 risked. The difference between the -170 risked on the favorite (Mayweather) and the +150 paid back on the dog (De La Hoya) is the commission bookmakers use to show a profit regardless of who wins (at least that is the idea). The total rounds heavily favored the Over as the bet to go Over 11.5 rounds was priced -255 with Under backers being able to get back +215. The 11.5 rounds represent eleven completed rounds of fighting plus one minute and thirty seconds into the twelfth round. Most people seem to agree that the fight will go the scheduled twelve rounds.

While the betting line on the Total Rounds has remained rather static, the price on Mayweather has been hammered up and up.

In a matter of weeks, backers of the Grand Rapids, Michigan fighter have driven the price all the way up to -225 on the speedy boxer. That now means that where a bettor once could have risked just $170 to profit $100 betting on Mayweather, that same bet would now require a risk amount of $225 to profit that same $100, and increased risk of $55 to win the same $100. It is a general rule in sports betting, and one that holds true over the long term, that it is best to bet the favorite early and the underdog late – regardless of the sport in question. More times than not the price on the favorite climbs upwards and it becomes more and more expensive to "buy" a ticket on the favored fighter as the bout comes closer. When looking to the back the dog, one generally gets a better price by waiting closer to fight night because, as the price on the favorite increases, the pay back on the dog also goes up.

That certainly seems to be the case for this superfight taking place on Cinco de Mayo weekend in Sin City. Anyone getting in early on WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather got a very good line laying -170. The moneyline is now up to a point where those who are looking to get a fair price on WBC Junior Middleweight champion Oscar De La Hoya may look to strike back, or they may be sitting and waiting for the line to climb even higher on the favorite, thus providing a better come back price for Oscar bettors.

One thing that is very likely to happen is that those looking to bet on De La Hoya will start to do so if the price gets much higher, and almost as certain is that the general public that comes to Las Vegas the weekend of the fight will be betting the underdog. The "Golden Boy" still packs in a ton of fans and that, coupled with the big Latino Cinco de Mayo weekend and those fans flowing in from Los Angeles, will bring bets in on Oscar. If one was looking to place a wager on “Pretty Boy” Floyd, they may be better off waiting until Oscar’s fans bring the price back down.

It is interesting to me that Mayweather has not stopped anyone at welterweight aside from Sharmba Mitchell, although Mitchell was much more a junior welterweight and had only one prior bout at 147-pounds. Floyd has taken two lopsided decision wins, over speedy Zab Judah and sturdy Carlos Baldomir, since his welterweight debut against Mitchell. Against Oscar De La Hoya he will fighting an even bigger opponent, and one who has been stopped just once in his four losses, that to middleweight king Bernard Hopkins. The chance of a knockout by either fighter seems remote and the Over looks like a solid play.

Still, I’d love to be sitting on a Floyd Mayweather ticket at -170.

(For entertainment purposes only)

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jeff ferren:  Although the fight between floyd mayweather and oscar da la hoya should be good one. we all no who is going to win. i am a floyd mayweather fan and wish to see floyd challenged. The only guy i see giving him trouble is manny pacquia. His quick and hits hard. Then floyd can retire.
Wednesday Jan 3, 2006 03:38:13 PM
BILL:  HEY KNISH.... VERY WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE. SEE, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD IT IN YOU. THAT IS ONE OF THE BETTER "BETTING" EXPLANATIONS TIED INTO AN ACTUAL FIGHT WITH MOVEMENT ODDS THAT I'VE SEEN IN SOME TIME. IT BROUGHT IN THE BETTING STRATEGY REAL NICE TOO. KIDOS!!! OH YEAH I'D LIKE F.M. AT -170 AS WELL!
Wednesday Jan 3, 2006 04:00:50 PM
Frank:  Well Joey, maybe you are right since you without a doubt know more about this great sport than I do, but here is my opinion in which I have argued with buddies for months now. First off I am a boxing junky! I watch boxing constantly and vary rarely miss a big fight. When it comes to DelaHoya and Mayweather I just dont see Mayweather winning! Maybe I am putting too much emotion and passion into my opinion but I can not vision the judges in Las Vegas scoring a win for PBF if it goes the distance, much less him knocking out Golden Boy. My main justification for my opinion is strength and size! I realize it is going to be PBF with the speed and movement that will make it difficult for Oscar to land punches, and I think Oscar knows that, but Oscar will land punches, may not be many, be he will land and when he does I think his training will be focused on causing severe and precise damage that PBF has never felt before on a consistant basis throughout 12 rounds. I dont see PBF taking that kind of power and size for the entire fight. I do think that Oscar can withstand PBF's power punches as long as a cut doesnt occur. Name one person PBF has fought that had the kind of power Oscar has, not to mention straight up skill. I think PBF is in for a painful payday he is willing to take due to his obsession with money instead of glory and legacy. Oscar I am sure realizes he has aged and isnt the same fighter he once was which is why he will have to train to throw precise punches that will cripple his opponent when landed. (Oh my god I sound like Rocky Balboa's trainer!) I do think Oscars speed will be slower, but not by much! Even against Mayorga Oscar looked sharp and threw quick powerful punches that downed the man I had money on. Oh yeah, thats right, up till this fight I never bet for Oscar, I hated him! Damn golden boy smile and his stupid mariachi cd. Yep, I lost lots of money on the Vargas fight due to the love for a Mexican vulgar badass that represents machismo! Well, to sum it up, tell me your opinion and correct me where I am wrong on my arguement on why I dont see PBF winning. Thank you for your time and look forward to your response. P.S. - My arguements for this fight have me in the hole for about $300 in bets to buddies. Crazy how that can happen for a fight 5 months from now! Frank Flores
Wednesday Jan 3, 2006 04:35:14 PM
boxing poster:  Hey 'Frank.... you just admitted to losing money on Vargas and Mayorga....yet your sky high in confidence on this fight, are you just figuring might as well go with DLH this time since he beat you twice- that's flawed fella.
Wednesday Jan 3, 2006 10:09:39 PM
phillip:  Honestly I'm just a fan of the sweetscience, and its articles like this one that make me appreciate this site. Good helpful information and opinions.
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 12:33:45 AM
Ponch:  I never bet, but if Oscar's a big enough underdog by fight time I'll lay down a few buckeroo's on him. Surprised to hear that -170 for floyd is considered good really, to me this should be an even fight.
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 04:21:00 AM
kingkurtis:  If Mosley could outbox DLH , PBF will do it much easier. Oscar has not fought often enough, and is long in the tooth, while Floyd is in his prime, and still looking for respect. Oscar sleeps with a supermodel wife, Floyd sleeps with the burning desire to retire undefeated, and be the best.
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 08:30:29 AM
Ponch:  quick thought on kingkurtis comment - firstly, i think the Shane who beat oscar at 147 was substantially more impressive than the one-punch-at-a-time floyd who beat the mediocre Baldomir. shane was significantly stronger and just about as fast, and shane was throwing combinations way more than floyd at 147. secondly, the shane who beat oscar at 154 did it with power which floyd doesn't have at 147 let alone 154. i think the fact that this fight is at 154 is a big factor.
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 10:14:10 AM
WILLIAM A MAJOR:  OSCAR WILL BEAT THE "ONE PUNCH AT A TIME " MAYWEATHER,HE JUST MORE FIGHTER THAN FLOYD AND HAS BETTER FOCUS THAN HE DO'S .I BELIEVE THAT DELAHOYA WILL GO OUT A WINNER ,A BIG ONE !
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 01:13:26 PM
Gerald:  Fellas ... let me tell ya sumthin' ... PBF will BEAT DLH like a drum!!! He's younger, faster, hungryer ...PBF has to prove to the world his greatness AND the Man CAN fight! To paraphrase ALI " If you bet on the Sonny(DHL) ya gonna lose ya money! Hahahaha what a great time to be FIGHT FAN!!!
Thursday Jan 4, 2006 05:41:07 PM
Knish:  Thanks for piping in guys - we'll see how line moves on this one but surely with his edge in speed, age and activity I think Floyd was good value at -170. That said, getting back anything close to +220 has to be considered good value with Oscar. I don't see Mayweather as a one-punch at a time guy, and he is so slick he should see what Oscar is throwing before Oscar even thinks about letting it go. Oscar having one fight/year doesn't help things either. I also find it amusing that fans booed PBF when he dominated Baldomir, but Baldomir is a very big welter and despite losing 10 times was only stopped once - in his 7th pro bout. Floyd has had hand problems so I don't think the thought of knocking people out even crosses his mind anymore - if it comes it comes, but it won't against Oscar.
Friday Jan 5, 2006 06:25:04 PM
linda:  I HOPE OSCAR BEATS THE CRAP OUT OF BIGMOUTH
Friday May 4, 2007 12:58:43 AM
docmts2:  Nothing takes the emotion out of a "who will win" decision like betting professionally and I think the bookmakers have this one right. No matter who has the better image or is presumed to have the more solid character, the fact is that FM is a more highly skilled boxer. Boxer's of this calibur have the ability to take his opponent's size and strength and use it against him (remember the FM vs. Diego Corrales fight, in which FM was a much smaller fighter but still beat the then champion by TKO). Just as in that fight, I expect F.M. to spend the night hitting and running on his way to victory either by decision or by a late round TKO. All emotion aside. Great piece Knish!
Saturday May 5, 2007 03:36:48 PM
docmts2:  Told ya so!
Sunday May 6, 2007 02:54:53 AM

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