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Is '06 The Year UFC Choked Out Boxing?
By Michael Woods
With the benefit of hindsight, we may look back at 2006 as the year our beloved sport, the Savage Science, got choked out in the scrap for relevance, acceptance and buzz, by mixed martial arts.
In the United States, for all intents and purposes, MMA is synonymous with UFC. This Saturday, two of the UFC’s most marketable and capable stars, Chuck “The Iceman” Liddell, a soft-speaking, serial-killer-looking striker with a serious hard-on for kayoes, and Tito “The Huntington Beach Bad Boy” Ortiz, a bleached-blonde trash-talking badass whose fan base is split 50-50 between lovers and haters, will step in to the Octagon and get it on.
Why, you ask, does this effect me, I can hear you saying…
I’ve logged on to a website called “The Sweet Science,” haven’t I?
And correct me if I’m wrong, but mixed martial arts doesn’t have a cool ‘nom de nick’ like “The Sweet Science.”
Again, correct me if I’m wrong, but mixed martial arts couldn’t even agree on the name of their sport until 2005. Before that it was called extreme fighting, wasn’t it, Woods?
And if I want to watch human cockfighting, which is what I’ve read in mainstream publications some people call the UFC’s product, then I’ll go into one of the warehouses where they hold these unsanctioned, ultra-brutal contests, and check it out. OK, Woods?
Duly noted, one and all. Let me tell you why it matters.
On Saturday night, the UFC powers that be are betting that the card pitting Liddell, their light heavyweight champion, against Ortiz, their former poster boy who fell from grace after wanting too many slices of a pie that was smaller than he thought, will do bang-up business. What constitutes bang-up business, you might ask?
Maybe, like, 250,000 people might pony up for this thing?
Is that what you’re guessing?
Because while you know this sport is on the upswing, and you’re aware that the reality show on Spike has been a success, and that you’ve heard some people in boxing refer to the fact that boxing is on the decline and MMA is picking up the slack, if you’re thinking, a quarter mill, you are off.
Bigtime off, like “weapons off mass destruction are a slam dunk,” off.
Try 1.2 million.
That’s the PPV magic number UFC bigs, like president Dana White, are theorizing they could get for the card which pits Liddell against Ortiz for the second time (Ortiz succumbed to Liddell’s destructive hands in the second round of their 2004 encounter).
And what’s the big deal about 1.2, you say, you query-crazy interrogator, you?
Well, no boxing PPV card in 2006 went over a million buys. Oscar De La Hoya’s beatdown of the bullying Nicaraguan Ricardo Mayorga in May did 925,000. That was the highest figure among boxing, MMA and the WWE juggernaut, which is also smarting from the siphoning of their fans and their fans’ discretionary PPV fundage. For comparison, know that the record for buys in this arena is 1.99 million—Christ, let’s just round up, shall we, the 2 million people who paid to watch Tyson/Holyfield II in 1997. White, who clambered his way up from working as a hotel bellman in Boston in the late 80s to be the public face of the UFC hierarchy, thinks Saturday’s card can approach the record for boxing in the non-heavyweight category: 1.4 million buys for De La Hoya/Trinidad in 1999.
I recently called White, and asked him how he views the MMA/UFC vs. Boxing matchup.
“I picture a scene with UFC chasing after Boxing, looking to clamp down on Boxing with a rear naked choke,” I said to White, who with the brothers Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta has marshaled a sport on life support into the sports growth story of the decade. “How close are you guys to catching boxing?”
“We’ve already choked them out,” White said, chuckling. “Boxing and the WWE, too. My opinion is, once Oscar is gone, boxing’s in a lot of trouble, unless another star breaks soon, which I don’t see coming.”
White is confident that the 37-year-old Liddell, who he cheerily admits looks like a serial killer (with those prominent ears and that Mohawk) and the former UFC light heavyweight titlist, the 31-year-old Ortiz (with whom he’s sparred with verbally in bitter fashion after heated contract talks a few years back) will surpass the 925,00 mark for ODLH/Mayorga.
“We’ll be the top dog once Oscar leaves,” he said.
White, age 35, is not a standard issue CEO sort who is trained to underpromise and overdeliver.
He’s unafraid of combat, be it literal (he and Ortiz were set to glove up and box, but that’s been postponed for a spell) or figurative (he’ll provide inflammatory, pull-quote-ready fare on a moment’s notice to a reporter). And his backstory fits snugly with many of the fighters in his organization—he could have settled into an unexceptional middle-class existence, but he stepped it up, ramped up his desire and ambitions, and now has arrived financially and as a cultural treeshaker. So if you haven’t delved into his story, or his sport, you will have more opportunities to do in 2007. Showtime will run their first MMA show on Feb. 10, featuring Renzo Gracie against Frank Shamrock. And HBO is dipping its big toe in the warm waters in 2007, and will run four MMA programs.
So, an obvious question is, is boxing backpedaling, on the ropes, sagging, with jellied legs and unfocused eyes? Or is boxing the survivor specialist, rope-a-doping for a spell while it catches its breath and waits (prays?) for a second wind?
I’m not in the camp that cries persistently about the deterioration of boxing.
Yes, the sport is relegated to cable and thus misses penetrating 15% of people who own TVs but don’t have cable. And HBO has about 30 million subscribers, and Showtime has about 14 million, so there are a lot of houses that aren’t set up to easily tune in to the premium fight fare available day to day. And thus boxing is allowing potential new fans to latch on to other combat sports every day because it is absent from free-TV, a situation which anyone who might want to make a living in this business for a few decades might want to attend to…But do not shed tears for boxing, no way, not when Oscar might be picking up $25 million to fight Floyd next year.
So yes, let’s look at the bottom line here: money, great gobs of it in fact, is still being made by some boxers, and people in the boxing business. But some gobs are going elsewhere now, and that fact must be acknowledged. Any media outlet with their head not in their arse did a piece on UFC in ‘06, and I predict that next year we’ll see a UFC athlete on the cover of both ESPN The Magazine and Sports Illustrated. OK, so I’m not Jon Landau, but here’s my version of "I saw rock and roll's future, and its name is Bruce Springsteen.”
MMA is here to stay, in a big way, and it’s getting bigger, and anyone who doesn’t see this fact must acquaint themselves with the product if they want to stay current, or risk looking like a Discman in a world of iPods.
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Sonny:
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MMA fans are not boxing fans. Boxing didn't lose them to MMA. Boxing certainly didn't cultivate these fans that went the MMA way. Boxing has its own self inflicted problems and should concern itself with these that it might cure because the MMA bus has already passed it by.
Friday Dec 29, 2006 10:39:08 PM
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Ivan Trembow:
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"And if I want to watch human cockfighting, which is what I’ve read in mainstream publications some people call the UFC’s product, then I’ll go into one of the warehouses where they hold these unsanctioned, ultra-brutal contests, and check it out. OK, Woods?"
If there are any people who still think like that about MMA, tell them that 1997 called and they want their uneducated opinions back.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 01:55:59 AM
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TOMMY:
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ITS EASY TO DO A HUGE NUMBER OF BUYS WHEN U HAVE A SHOW ONCE A MONTH AS OPOSED TO BOXING WHICH IS ON TV EVERY SINGLE WEEK AND SOMETIMES ON 3 DIFF CHANNELS AT THE SAME TIME ON THE SAME NIGHT THERE 2 DIFFERENT SPORTS AND THE SPORT OF BOXING IS A SCIENCE AND AN ART AND INVOLVES A HIGHER OVER ALL SKILL LEVEL WHICH IS WHY U GET SEE SAW BATTLES LIKE GATTI- WARD CORRELAS- CASTILLIO PAC- MARELAS SO ON , UFC FOR THE MOST PART IS 1 MAN DOMINATING OVER ANOTHER AND U WIL NOT GET THE BEAUTIFUL STYLE OF A FLOYD MAYWEATHER OR THE INCREDIBLE INTELLEGENCE OF A BERNARD HOPKINS WHO NO MATTER WHAT DIS ADVANTAGES WILL FIND A WAY TO BEAT U CAUSE ITS A SCIENCE- BOXER VS BOXER PUNCHER VS PUCHER PUNCHER VS BOXER HOW EVER U SLICE IT THE BIG FIGHT MATCH UPS IN BOXING ARE FAR MORE INTERESTING AND FIGHTS LIKE PAC VS BAREERA 2 AND MAYWEATHER VS DLH IN 07 WILL PROVE IT- 2 DIFF SPORTS AND MMA IS A LOT OF FUN BUT THEY CANT RECYCLE GUYS WHO ARE SHOT LIKE ORTIZ WHO HAS DONE SO WELL ON PPV MUCH LONGER CAUSE HES ABOUT DONE- BOXING HAS GUYS LIKE COTTO AND JEMANE TAYLOR WHO WILL CROSS OVER AND BECOME SUPERSTARS IN 07 AND GUYS LIKE PACMAN WHO WILL DO IT IN HIS NEXT FIGHT THEN U HAVE GUYS LIKE ANDREA BETO 16-0 14 KOS AND NO1 HAS GONE PAST THE 6TH RD W HIM WHO WILL BE CREATING MAJOR EXCITEMENT VERY SOON- BOXING HAS A TON OF TALENT ON THE WAY UP TO REPLACE JONES, DLH, TYSON, TRINIDAD LEWIS AND ALL THE OTHER HUGE PPV STARTS THAT HAVE SLIPPED FROM GRACE OR RETIRED- BOXING IS A SPORT THAT WONT EVER GO AWAY AND MMA IS A SPORT ON THE RISE BUT THERE FANS FOR THE MOST PART ARE DIFFERENT
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 03:04:51 AM
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Xenos:
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MMA has been called MMA for quite some time now. It didn't pop up in 2005.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 07:11:29 AM
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Ed:
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Im not sure a boxer who hones his one skill actually has more over-all skill than an MMA expert who may have 2 or more black belts in their chosen arts.
Sadly I am a boxing fan turned MMA fan. I miss Ali, Fraser, Sugar Ray, even Tyson...
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 08:29:32 AM
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jim broughton:
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If boxing is to keep up with the ever rising tide of MMA popularity then it has to be brought back to the general public via weekly television broadcasts like it was in the early 80's. I remember sitting down on a Saturday afternoon watching up and coming talents display thier skills on NBC with Marv Albert and Ferdie Pacheco behind the mike. I remember watching guys like Bobby Czyz, Robbie Simms, James Scott and other hopefuls slug it out on network tv almost evey week. I even remember seeing champions like Ali and Larry Holmes defending thier titles on network tv! Today you have to pay nearly fifty dollars to see a fat James Toney slog through 12 rounds of torture with some unskilled clod. Holmes/Norton was on channel 5! This has to stop if boxing is to keep up with MMA and retain it's ever dwindling fan base. It has to become more accessible to the general public. Having one champion in each division would'nt hurt either. You don't see Chuck and Tito sharing the light heavyweight belt do you? No. One champion- the rest contenders. The way it used to be . The way it should be.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 08:46:22 AM
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RCA:
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Numbers don't tell the whole story. Is this a win-win? Boxing has work to do to keep it's fans tuning-in but I doubt folks are choosing MMA over Boxing. Many are watching both. After all, this time of year, I enjoy (and pay for) boxing, UFC/MMA, NFL and NBA. In the spring, I lose NFL and gain MLB. One sport doesn't detract from the others, it's more of a complement or an additional choice. Isn't that what freedoms' all about? Choice?
One addtional note: it's refreshing to see open scoring popping it's head-up again. I think that's a possible part of boxing's salvation. Inept/dishonest judges sometimes challenge my Boxing loyalty. MLB is lowest on my loyalty totem-pole due to their lack of quality/credibility/entertainment value. Boxing needs to stay believable to distinguish itself from, say MMA with it's emotional links to Pro Wrestling and associated lack of credibility.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 09:22:30 AM
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Jake B:
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MMA fans may not be boxing fans, but we're deluding ourselves if we think that some long-time boxing fans are not becoming MMA or at least UFC fans! I have, & I'm not alone. I've been a boxing fan since the heydays of the 70's, but in the past 10 yrs I've increasingly lost interest for many reasons, but mostly because of the confusion created by 17 weight classes & 4 major alphabet organizations shenanigans. On top of that there's been a steady decline in the amount of fighters who put on a good show & who are fun to watch. Despite some claims that are a few up & comers, the hard truth is that there are no mega-stars on the horizen once Oscar hangs them up. I would never have believed that I would tune in to a UFC fight as I likened it to a couple of wild dogs fighting over a bone! But the UFC in particular has done an amazing marketing job in the past couple years & they're created an organization with just 5 weight classes & 5 champions. There are plenty of good rivalries & rematch scenarios. All of these guys have multiple losses, there's no padding undefeated records, they're prepared to fight all comers, they fight often, & have become entertaining & fun to watch. Sure it isn't pretty at times & nobodys confusing Liddell Vs Ortiz with Ali-Frazier, but what's the last time we had a heavyweight fight that's creating the interest that Liddell - Ortiz II has this week? I don't agree that boxing has been choked out yet, but if we stick with boxing terms I'd say it's down on one knee in the 12th round & trying to decide whether to get up or not. - JB
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 10:10:56 AM
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Sonny:
I do think that at least some of MMA's fanbase is from boxing. Now, I don't know wether or not it's because it's boxing's fault. I can't speak for them. I do know that the boxing fans that I do know have gotten into the MMA game because they were intriged about the striking styles MMA has to offer. You could get into a card and see say....a Brawler style go up against a kyokushin karate style or an out boxer take on TKD. There have also been fighters who started in boxing, but got interested in grappling as well. Some have been or are champions in there respective leagues. Heck, one of the current trends in MMA is to visit gyms and brush up on boxing. Mostly for accuracy and agility.
But you're right. Not all of the MMA base is boxing fans. Some are disillusioned pro wrestling fans. Yes, we know that pro-wrestling is fake/predetermined/worked/choriographed. There is a good contegent of folk who have been entertained by the technical aspects of a pro-wrestling match. They were the ones who didn't care who won, just as long as the match was astetically pleasing and made sense in the context of the match. And before any one asks, yes, they knew it was fake. They didn't care. But after twenty years of seeing the industy being monopolized by one man, filled with roid freak who couldn't pro wrestle and those who did know get politically slaughered and exiled to the point some contiplated quiting the biz really grated the fans and off they left. I'd say a good part of that group is now MMA.
The other part is made of martial arts fans who want to be part of MMA or what some way where career martial artists can make a decent living off of martial arts. While it's great that boxers get the money, it is a sad fact that a martial artist's pocketbook is only as good as their sponser. And even then, they're living on a check to check basis. Sure you can go all the way and win gold in the olympics, but what's after that? Another round of tournament fighting to stay on top and keep endorsement money flowing. Possibly to win gold again. When it's all over though, martial artists pretty much have nothing left. Some become coaches/teachers which is cool. Others have gone into pro-wrestling, which has gotten mostly desasterous. Either way, our country hasn't given the proper respect to martial artist. Unless you're on a screen, you don't exist.
I hope I've explained some things.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 10:23:31 AM
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alexiszis:
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Michael, your readers are right, you totally miss the boat. YES the MMA craze will grow and grow, but no, you will not see a crossover from boxing fans. Anybody who loves boxing, as I do, finds it sickening and mostly boring to watch guys grab and hold and roll around on the floor (yawn). What attracts the 18-35 demograhic is the violence, because they all grew up on violent video games, like Grand Theft Auto. Boxing is declining for issues within the boxing industry, such as continined failure to provide solid competitive matches. We have the whole boxing world dying to see Pacquiao and Barrera, instead we get Arum duking it out with Oscar, not an attractive fight. Boxing has no more relation to MMA thatn hockey does to soccer, slight similiarity, totally different sport.
Boxing will see a big influx of exciting new stars: Ruslan Chagaev, Amir Kahn, Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Edison Miranda, Allan Green, Alexander Povetkin, Alexander Dimitrenko, Librado Andrade, Joan Guzman and more. The trick is for the networks/promoters to put these fighters in RISKY, competive fights. Vasquez-Gonzalez, e.g. HBO has a great star in Jorge Arce. So they match him next on BAD with a nobody, instead of anothe star lighter weight.
Yes, MMA will grow big. But the NFL is big, and it doesn't kill the NBA or the MLB. When Jordan left the NBA, it suffered for a while, then LeBron James and others came a long. Stars make the world go around. Stay tuned.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 10:45:39 AM
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Peter:
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In the US its the UFC, but on the global scene its PRIDE.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 11:36:41 AM
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Bob Canobbio:
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A MMA fighter will never display the skills of a top flight boxer- speed, power, movement and defense... How long will MMA fans continue to pay ppv $$$ to watch fights that last about one minute, or go the distance because neither fighter can ko the other?.. Yes, MMA cards (especially UFC) are competitive from top to bottom and boxing promoters need to take note (even if it requires opposing promoters working together to provide four quality championship fights per ppv card for a minimum of 3-4 shows per year)... True, when Oscar leaves boxing it'll be void of a superstar- but not of quality matchups in all weight classes...It's up to the promoters, networks and fighters themselves to make the best fights possible- just look at the abundance of quality fighters out from 122lbs all the way up to 168 lbs....Boxing also needs a unified heavyweight champ!!!...Who are the current superstars of UFC?...Chuck Liddell (he's 37) and Tito Ortiz (an old 31)?...how many fights do both of them have left? Its the product that drives the bus and boxing has plenty of capable "drivers"- its up to the powers that be to make the fights the public want to see...UFC has thrived because its all under one umbrella..you fight me, I fight him..there's no ducking- no three organizations...no bullshit mandatories or interim champions...boxing should totally distance itself from the four organizations and adopt the Ring Magazine ratings and produce ONE champion in each division!!!.. the pathetic condition of the USA amateur boxing program doesn't allow for the development (and publiciizing) of young fighters...how does the UFC develop their fighters without amateur assistance?
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 12:33:09 PM
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One big thing that most people seem to miss here is the focus on race that is so deeply rooted in this country. Boxing has long been a sport mainly for black- and hispanic youths to get into, thus all the stars are black or latino..The search for "the great white hope" havent succeeded.
Now, with the mergance of the UFC, middleclass white- america has their own suoerstars, that are mostly white. Most of the fighters in the UFC are white, and so also most of its viewers...
Boxing is in trouble, it has been for quite some time. Boxing needs some new blood and fresh ideas to make it as big as it used to and deserves to be. Maybe the old people that are in the business are holding it back? Well, father time will take care of that eventually, until then, boxing lovers are gonna have it a little rough...
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 12:48:11 PM
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Ivan Trembow:
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To Bob Canobbio--- You're right, mixed martial artists don't have to learn as many skills. It's not like a top-level mixed martial artist would have to be well-versed in boxing, Muay Thai kickboxing, traditional kickboxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, amateur wrestling, Sambo, and Judo. Oh, wait a minute, never mind...
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 12:49:25 PM
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phillip:
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Its as simple as the fact that mma fights are intense, and you are almost certain to see a knockout. Fighters with exlosive punching power have always brought fans to the sport of boxing. So mma is more intense and exciting to more people, but I personally like the art of boxing and the history of the sport.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 10:35:16 PM
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Make the FIght:
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There is a common attribute to the UFC, Pride and K1 that is missing in boxing and that makes them as popular as they are: a single organizing body that rates the fighters and mandates the fights. You gotta sign with Dana to fight in the UFC! This ensures that the right fights get made at the right time, negotiations are simple , fighters who are dangerous cannot be hidden from, and the fans get what they want - the best fighting the best.
Not like boxing where a top fighter can scrap a dangerous fight by hiding behind a sanctioning body or simply demanding more money than is possible. Handpicking syles that make you shine and fighting mandatories selected by the corruptable, does not prove you are the best. The best seldom fight the best in boxing, and when they do boxing does well. Unless of course you are Oscar, then you can fight anyone and clean up!
One sanctioning body, and one champion would make all the difference in boxing. Boxing needs to look long and hard at these other organizations, reinvent itself, and deliver the best fights to the fans.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 11:42:38 PM
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Jaxfacts:
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Boxing has been around for hundreds of years and it will continue to provide fans with a sport that is beautiful, intelligent and passionate. MMA promotes far more violence than the Sweet Science, and in my mind boxing remains a sport as much as it is entertainment. I agree that we need to have more televised boxing, ala the days of "Tomorrow's Champions." That means we need to pay more attention to amateur boxing, which should also be televised. That's how we can "grow" the sport. Boxing is NOT down for the count.
Sunday Dec 31, 2006 12:55:33 AM
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AKOBADAGETH:
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This is a stupid discussion. "sweet science" my ass! Boxing has always been a stupid mans sport and the people who get into it are the one's trying to get out of the ghetto. Only a moron would think that it takes more skill to be a boxer than a MMA fighter. You put the best boxers of all time in a ring with Fedor from pride and he wont last two minutes. Hell most boxers without all the rules involved in boxing, could walk out onto the street and get beat up by the average street thug! How can anyone be dumb enough to think that a fighter trained in only how to use his fists "boxing" is going to beat a man who knows how to use his whole body as a weapon? It's asinine. Boxing is finished and good riddence it has always been a joke to any real martial artist.
Sunday Dec 31, 2006 06:10:59 AM
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Two points Michael: 1. MMA isn't bigger anywhere in the world than it is in Japan, and the Japanese boxing scene is doing fine. As long as either sport presents a good product, they will do just fine. MMA has exploded but boxings TV ratings and PPV revenues both went up in 2006 also. No reason the sports can co exist or compliment each other the way boxing and professional wrestling did from the 1950's to the early 1980's. 2. Dana White thinks boxing is in trouble after Oscar retires? I heard the same thing when Ali retired in 1978, when Leonard retired in 1982 and when Tyson went to the clink in 1992. The sport is loaded with young prospects right now who can be ticket sellers: Amir Khan, Andy Lee and Alexander Povetkin come right to mind.
Sunday Dec 31, 2006 09:37:27 AM
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Ian:
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The MMA scene is loaded with a huge fanbase that will grow, everyone knows that. Boxing has it's huge fanbase that will never die nor decline because there are great fighters out there that will ensure that boxing will stay near the top of the heap. UFC, PRIDE and K1 keeps MMA fans craving for more and more blood and bruises. I do not think that boxing will die at all, because there are too many good fighters and good up and comers that will kee pit afloat for a long time. And the MMA scene will not die either with guys like Liddell, Ortiz, Bisping, Sylvia. Plain and simple.
Sunday Dec 31, 2006 04:52:50 PM
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phillip:
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Make the fight. That point is right on and certain truth from a business standpoint. Another quality that mma fans have is there inability to confine their sport. MMA is world wide. All of their fighters get respect if they are the real thing. As for boxing its bread and butter has always been the heavyweight division, but sadly its best fighters aren't from the bronx or philly. So it is being destroyed by its own fans. It isn't about the skill with boxing anymore. One sport here is truly progressing while the other is regressing. You can't deny that no matter how much you hate the image of mma.
Sunday Dec 31, 2006 06:12:56 PM
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It boils down to this, do you want to watch 2 guys humping ala most UFC "fights",or do you want to watch 2 men stand up and go "toe to toe" like Boxing?
Tuesday Jan 2, 2006 12:04:48 AM
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dog:
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UFC rules
Tuesday Jan 2, 2006 09:31:05 AM
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Mike:
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Reading these comments as a well-versed MMA fan, I feel like someone from the present going back in time and hearing people say that Henry Ford's "automobile idea" would never take hold. People who talk about the confusion of multiple belts and weightclasses are exactly right -- boxing's talent has been diluted, and it's greatest potential saviors have turned to other, more profitable sports, such as a football. Indeed, the idea that a topflight MMA fighter could not hang with a topflight boxer is plain silly; Mirko Cro Cop or Fedor being two names that come to mind. This is not to say that they would win -- but merely to point out that MMA has encapsulated boxing into its repertoire, whereas boxing has remained a "one trick pony". Boxing lacks stars where the UFC designs them, hypes them, and forces them to fight difficult fights.
Boxing cannot save itself. It may not die, but it will never be what it once was.
Tuesday Jan 2, 2006 01:01:44 PM
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Nick:
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Right on Mike!...Boxing has no more superstars, look at the heavyweight division, all stiffs, nobody wants to pay to those stiffs...UFC is way more skillful than boxing, I'll put a UFC fighter against a boxer any day....Cro Crop would beat most top boxers. Boxing is done!
Tuesday Jan 2, 2006 02:51:04 PM
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Anthony:
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As a fan of all combat sports, I can only hope that with the rise of MMA that this will create a competative playground between MMA and boxing and all the fans will benifit. Hopefully we start to see more competitivly matched boxing fights on free TV. instead of guys being protected with fake 20-0 record cause he beat a bunch of bums..It does happen in both sports but way too often in Boxing. Maybe this is the wake up call. Maybe not
Tuesday Jan 9, 2007 06:08:59 PM
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dennis:
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it is plain and simple boxing is one dimensional using only their hands while mma figthers uses elbows and knees on a clinch plus the wrestling takedowns and brazilian jiu-jitsu skills on the ground. Too many problems for a boxer to handle.
Sunday Apr 8, 2007 10:07:37 AM
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John:
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i am a boxing fan and putting aside all the trouble its having now,. i just luv the UFC. its far more exciting and there are many skillfull fighters competing for belts, its amazing
Saturday Jul 14, 2007 11:30:42 PM
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terri riddle:
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I need an explanation of why boxing is called the sweet science.
Wednesday Apr 2, 2008 08:19:38 AM
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2009 Reader Of The Year Weighs In On Legacies Of Pacquiao And Mayweather
"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike
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