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Merchant: Pac Man, Not PBF, Is Best P4P
By Michael Woods
He is seventysomething, but looks younger. An athletic regimen that includes ample time on the ski slopes probably has a lot to do with it, but flexibility in negotiating the moguls of life has to factor in as well.
Larry Merchant could be forgiven if he were to deliver a flowery eulogy to Willie Pep, the Will ‘o the Wisp, who died at age 84 on Thursday. Pep was known for his mastery of ring generalship and defense, and fought his 242 pro fights from 1940-1966 with defense as a focal point of his strategy. But Pep, really, wasn’t Merchant’s favorite brand of fighter. Or, I should say, isn’t. The HBO analyst has adjusted his criteria over his decades covering the savage science, for newspapers and for television, and is today likely to judge and critique a boxer more favorably if they fight in a fan-friendly, non-risk-averse style. In other words, Larry likes it when boxers mix it up, and if you ask him to delve into that preference, he’ll cite a viewpoint that Cus D’Amato used to spout.
The object of prizefighting, the old codger would say, is to make money. And you make money by putting fannies in seats. And what puts fannies in seats? Defensive wizardry? No way, shape, or form. A ‘hit and don’t be hit’ philosophy that puts a premium on quickness of feet, and speed in disengaging, wouldn’t have put you atop Cus’, or atop Merchant’s, pound-for-pound list.
So, I’m curious, just who is atop Larry’s list of the best active pugilist currently plying their trade? Who’s the best and brightest in our shady sport?
“Manny Pacquiao,” answers Merchant.
“When you’re talking about the best fighter, you have to consider who will put it all out there, someone who’s willing to take risks.”
Chat rooms were active after Pacquiao finished off Mexi-legend Erik Morales on Nov. 18.
Shouldn’t the Filipino, that scarily-active man who reduced Morales to a shell who could no longer be called El Terrible, be regarded as the top pound-for-pounder in the game today? Shouldn’t the boxer who imposed himself on the Mexi-icon, until he sat on the canvas and his face became a complicated mask of contemplation and resignation, be regarded as the top pound-for-pounder in boxing?
Yes, he should be, Merchant argues.
But what about Floyd, I asked? What about his technical excellence? That hand speed? That fluidity? That hand/eye? Those flurries? That record?
Merchant explained his criteria in evaluating fighters, and said that his checklist in crafting a pound-for-pound list has changed with the times. His P4P champ is completely suited for this age of reduced attention span, endless options for diversion, our greedy thirst for spectacles louder, bloodier, thinner, sexier.
“The emotion and passion in that building when Pacquaio fought,” he says, “is included in my criteria, and I think it should be [in everyone’s]. I’m not a purist, I don’t want to see Willie Pep win a round not throwing a punch.”
“As the game has evolved, I favor the a guy who is willing to go out and take risks and close the show and not talk about hit and not be hit.”
Ouch, PBF. That one had to hurt. Or maybe it didn’t, because you are all about positivity these days, and aren’t interested in getting into it with crusty Larry again.
Remember PBF vs. Larry after the Baldy fight, how Floyd tossed a few flurries at Merch?
“Well you know, you always give me a hard time,” PBF told Merchant after he dispatched Baldy with PBF-ian ease. “You don’t never give me the credit that I really deserve. You good at commentating so stick to commentating, let me do the fighting! I am the best at what I do. That’s why I am with HBO, HBO is my family, HBO is my home. Like I said before, you can learn boxing from my camp and from ‘Pretty Boy’ Floyd. You just a commentator, stick to commentating.”
“That’s exactly what I am doing, I am asking you a question,” Merchant answered.
“It’s more like this, don’t always be a critic and be so negative. Let’s be positive. I got the victory tonight under any circumstances. So all you can do is respect me for that. Every time a fighter comes out I know you keep your fingers crossed… You hoping and wishing that a fighter can beat me. I am the king of the throne and Floyd Mayweather is here to stay! I can win under ANY circumstances! You always talk; let me do the talking. That’s what you always do!”
True enough, he is an analyst, if he stopped doing that he’d be where almost every one of his contemporaries are, out of the field.
I’m an unabashed fan, completely journalistically compromised, by the old standards of the discipline. So all apologies to PBF, but right now, I’ll let Merchant finish his explanation for why Manny deserves the top P4P spot over you.
“Entertainment is part of it,” he said. “As a middleweight, for example, Roy Jones was tremendous but when he went to light heavyweight and he had those fights where he coasted the last six rounds, I said, ‘Screw this.’’’
You can certainly call him crusty, but I’m all for it. In this age, when our voices become more timid as we seek to avoid controversies manufactured by PC special interests, and instead we displace our passion into piles of food, porn and retail therapy sessions, I treasure the outspoken voices all the more. I’m not talking about partisan hacks like Rush Limbaugh, or others of that gaseous ilk, whose arguments are typically bereft of all reason and civility.
But Larry Merchant won’t always be on the scene, I hate to break it to you. Don’t miss him when he’s gone, treasure him while he’s here.
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wayne:
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In my opinion Manny Pacquiao is the most explosive fighter today. But not as talented as Floyd Mayweather Jr. Manny's number 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr is number 1.
Monday Nov 27, 2006 10:00:12 PM
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David:
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Hell yes, Mr. Woods. I couldn't agree more.
Merch has annoyed me at times over the last 20+ years, but he is right on the money here. And so are you for featuring his words.
Monday Nov 27, 2006 10:06:57 PM
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Jerry:
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Manny Pacquiao is the Philippines "Cinderella Man". P4P is not about talent nor skills. You win because of "heart". Manny has it. Thats why he's the top P4P.
Monday Nov 27, 2006 11:02:46 PM
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Scott Snyder:
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Pac Man is a warrior while PBF is a boxer. Manny takes tough fights while PBF is worried about his record and cherry-picks his opponents. I have a great respect for PBF's ability and skillset, however the majority of fans like to see their man close in with his oppenent trading blows. Manny gives the people what they want.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 12:29:47 AM
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da Vinci:
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I love Pac. I think the world of his trainer, my fellow New Englander, Freddy (just ask 'em). However, Floyd is clearly the world's best at the moment. Who gave Mr. Merchant the green light to alter how one arrives at the mythical P-4-Per? Sort of reminds me of when the normally highly reliable Herb Goldman ranked Roy Jones, Jr. as best ever in an issue of the International Boxing Digest. When pushed, he said, "yeah, may have dropped the ball there". Roy was still undefeated at the time. I think along with Winky, Pac helps form boxing's version of the Holy Trinity. But there is clearly a degree of separation at this moment, with that Mayweather fella heading up the pack.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:01:24 AM
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ORIVLLE SMALL:
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yeah, the way I look at it is like this..... the best boxer today... PBF.. no one at this point has his talent... The most entertaining boxer today... Pac man.... it all boils down to what you like. I personally find both exciting.... a dude rushing his opponent and rolling right over him (like Pac) or a dude in the ring breaking a man down without hardly getting touched (PBF).. P4P is given to the boxer who is the best.... and dthey both are the best at what they do.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:28:41 AM
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Bulldog:
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Couldnt agree more Scott, PBF talks of retirement when most of his career defining fights are still available but been dodged,each title has been a hand picked opponent with minimal risks posed to PBF.Pacman doesnt care ,he is there to fight whoever you are,how ever good you are. PBF believes fighting ODH will define his career,,3 years ago maybe, one competitive fight for ODH in 2 years just makes the results an obvious conclusion, but then again sceptics could actually say that about PBF too.Hey PBF my Grandma is available for a legacy securing fight against you in the late summer.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:30:36 AM
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jt:
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if P4P isnt about talent or skill, but rather heart, was gatti mr.P4P when floyd fought him? if so, isnt floyd the man who beat the man?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:34:36 AM
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lesandkathleen@webtv.net:
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pbf #1,wright#2.pac#3.and that's thatpacquio lost to morales the 1st time,lost almost every round against jmm after winning the first round and beating a faded morales won't put him on top.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:45:52 AM
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Melo:
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Well that's no surprise, Larry never liked Floyd, the recent post-fight interview only added to that. I don't agree with it, P4P has always been based on skill, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones etc. But people should keep saying that, Floyd might get irritated enough to come down to Manny's weight and prove y'all wrong...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 03:44:24 AM
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larry:
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At the end of the day it is the sweet science and as the individual fighters go I will not tear a boxer down for fighting smart in an effort to not end their lives as a slobbering, stuttering vegetable, yet, even with this said exciting fights and fighters are what sell tickets and so that is always what will be highlighted (dont believe me, go ask Winky Wright) and hyped up period. Beyond this, I believe wholeheartedly that Pac-Man is more deserving of the Pound for Pound title because he is currently taking on higher quality competition. He has all but forced a living legend into retirement in El Terrible, he took apart Juan Marquez and as far as I know Barrera does not want any more trouble out of the Pac-Man any time soon. True he may not be as swift of hand and feet as the Pretty One, however, his work ethic and training sessions are frightening, he takes chances, takes on the big names (not hyped punching bags), is exciting while he fights, crushes his opponents and closes the show...what more can you do?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:09:11 AM
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CloudJay:
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The most exciting and arguably the best boxer alive today. Manny gives all the excitement the fans really want to see. PBF skillwise is the best today and arguably the best boxer today. Their difference now is pac fights the best will pbf fights the rest and avoiding the best. Thats why in my p4p list pac is no.1
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:37:20 AM
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Adolpho Nu:
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Floyd's frightened of Margarito, who is #2 on the P4P list behind Pac-Man.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:14:47 AM
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Amy:
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Larry- you are 100% CORRECT. Manny Pac has won over the sport with his hard fighting ways- no posturing there!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:32:39 AM
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rudy:
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Mannny cant be #1 - he has too many flaws on his, gets hit a lot. Plus he got whooped by Marquez for 11rds like no one else has, Morales beat him up in the 1st fight and half of the 2nd fight - but as mentioned by lesandkathleen beating a watered down, slim Morales doesnt earn you the top nod in boxing's elite. Floyd also cant be #1, the only tough opponents he has faced are from his days at 130 when he fought Castillo and Corrales since then a bunch of C rated fighters and sub par competition. These guys are certainly in the Top 5 on the list, but to put either guy at #1 where we all know their flaws is ridiculous. And Larry Merchant is a cynical old man, good for TV, but man he's commentary is out of this world alot of the time, Seems like Manny Steward one day will snap and sock him in the face to shut him up. Bernard Hopkins is the #1 fighter at the moment, Winky Wright, PacMan, Floyd, and Jermain Taylor - modern day pb4pb top 5. B-Hop has the top spot, but the other you can put them in any order you and I'll be fine with it.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:50:11 AM
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jmp:
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The Pacman is #1,You cannot be "PRETTY" in boxing,Its a war..........Fight whoever is out there,that is what "THE ONE" do,that is Pacquio.......Give boxing fans 100% of entertainment.Anything less is #2
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:55:42 AM
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bobby:
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I definitely agree with Larry Merchant, the PACMAN should be on top of boxing's P4P list. For me, when you say the best pound for pound, it should'nt mean that you should be unbeaten or the best technical or the most skillful fighter. The most important is the boxer's heart and desire to be the best and his ability to bounce back from defeat and reclaim his supremacy in the sport. We can't judge PBF's heart and desire 'coz he has'nt lost yet, we still don't know if he can bounce back and be on top again. Look at Naseem Hamed, he's considered the best in his division and brags about it "pretty" much like PBF. Then came the time when he was beaten by MABarrera, was he able to bounce back? Haven't heard from him since...And MAB, he was KO'd by the PACMAN and look at where he is now? (Well, not really convinced because of the quality of fighters he faced eversince...unlike the PACMAN) Here's the response of the PACMAN when told that he might be the best P4P after the GRAND FINALE with EM, "I really don't think of myself as the best, I still have lots of things to improve on. It does'nt matter who i'll face next or if I win or lose, the most important thing is I always give my best and the fans enjoy the fight because we really owe it to them." That's correct, people pay big bucks to watch boxer's fight, not to watch them play "TAG". (just like PBF's last fight, it looks like BALDO's always "IT" hehehe...) But kidding aside, being the best P4P is much like gaining RESPECT, you can't just ASK for it, you have to EARN it.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:58:22 AM
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uncle phil:
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hey mike...i agree w/david's comments...i won a lot of bets in the 80's by betting on the opponents of didiot merchant's choices...it's too bad there wasn't constant recording of all fights before mid 50's...hard to rate p4p of fighters long gone to compare...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:58:58 AM
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Quarty:
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Manny is p4p1, with all the hard fights he fought & kept winning.
In fact Manny is not riding on CINDERELLA STORY, he\'s been fighting in america since 2001, only got 1 lose to EM, where could you find another warrior who fought (Barrera, Morales x3, Larios, Marquez ) since the beating of MAB. Based on fact that manny\'s been improving a lot & his next fight will be MAB OR Valero, so then again another big fight. So for people who said that he is the CINDERELLA MAN it explain to me that those guys is just a novices in the fighting game wich based on imagination, rather then facts. A cinderella story couldn\'t last 5 years,as for the marquez fight wich he has great counterpunching style but he didn\'t do enought to win the fight, if Marquez got so easy on Manny , why did he back out of the rematch for 750, 000 $ & took only 30, 000 to fight Chris john in Indonasia, then lost the title, Yeah, i know, he got robbed but most expert said he lost, specially (SWEETSCIENCE) gave to fight to Chris. I still don\'t get it, from 750.000$ to 30.000$ with the belt on the line as the champion WOW!, that is the biggest purse he ever got, but one thing i do get is he\'s not the champion that he is.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:12:57 AM
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Quarty:
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Manny is p4p1, with all the hard fights he fought & kept winning.
In fact Manny is not riding on CINDERELLA STORY, he\\\'s been fighting in america since 2001, only got 1 lose to EM, where could you find another warrior who fought (Barrera, Morales x3, Larios, Marquez ) since the beating of MAB. Based on fact that manny\\\'s been improving a lot & his next fight will be MAB OR Valero, so then again another big fight. So for people who said that he is the CINDERELLA MAN it explain to me that those guys is just a novices in the fighting game wich based on imagination, rather then facts. A cinderella story couldn\\\'t last 5 years,as for the marquez fight wich he has great counterpunching style but he didn\\\'t do enought to win the fight, if Marquez got so easy on Manny , why did he back out of the rematch for 750, 000 $ & took only 30, 000 to fight Chris john in Indonasia, then lost the title, Yeah, i know, he got robbed but most expert said he lost, specially (SWEETSCIENCE) gave to fight to Chris. I still don\\\'t get it, from 750.000$ to 30.000$ with the belt on the line as the champion WOW!, that is the biggest purse he ever got, but one thing i do get is he\\\'s not the champion that he is.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:24:36 AM
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jonathan ordona:
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i respect both fighters, PBF and PACMAN are complete different kind of boxer but i think if PBF and PACMAN would have the same fight schedule, i think people will go to see PACMAN'S fight rather than PBF'S. Mark my word if this could happen in the future people will realize that PACMAN is the best P4P boxer in the world. Put it this way, let say BOXING is like an action film for sure PBF'S fight will be rated as 3-3.5 stars while PACMAN'S will be rated as 5 stars. So now, WHO IS THE BEST P4P FIGHTER?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:31:56 AM
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PinoyCowboy:
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Pacman is the man! The flaws that you are all talking about is long gone... "before he only got the left stuff... now he got the right stuff"... Thanks to coach Freddie he perfected that right-hook. Add some improvised footwork on the menu and Pac will be dancing all over you all night long! Put Marquez back in the ring and I can almost guarantee you that it will not be the same as the first one. That typhoon from the Pacific is now a giant hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico and is about to cross the Atlantic!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:56:39 AM
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raymond:
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I agree with Larry, pacman gives his fans what they want and beaten future hall of famers... pac man is the P4P king and the most exciting boxer today... PBF fights are very boring and all he\'s opponents are not top caliber fighters...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:24:13 AM
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Boxing-Guru:
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Floyd is the best pound 4 pound hands down!! I understand the logic pac-man fights everybody, goes out there and gives it his all!! While floyd fights sometimes look like dancing with the stars!! (Not very entertaining) But who can blame him! Look what happened to the past "blood n guts" warriors; morales, (who beat pac-man the first time) gatti, & mayorga just 2 name a few. Now don\'t get me wrong Pac-man is a very exiciting boxer no doubt!! He\'s a fast, strong, southpaw, which causes a difficult look, but his skills are not polished at all and it is just a matter of time b-4 he get\'s thorughly exposed!! But at least he fights like a champ!! On the other hand Floyd hasn\'t lost a fight & I agree he\'s need to face better opposition, but he\'s beat everyone they put in front of him. No one would be talking this mess if floyd would have fought Margarito (who\'s hasn\'t beat anybody worth mentioning, just an AVERAGE fighter w/ a punch). Now Floyd is taking his greatest challenge on May 5th,2007 against oscar (w/ mayweather sr. training him ) at 154lbs. Now that\'s a pound 4 pound fight. But if he wins easily/convincingly they\'re just going to say oscar is over the hill so it doesn\'t prove anything! So called boxing critics are so hypocritical!! Floyd\'s on top of the throne until someone knocks him off!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:35:46 AM
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inspector:
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Pacman number #1 in P4P for me , he deserve it. watching all his fight is worth it .... not like pretty boy floyd so boring.. he can kill the boxing industry ,and glory. for his boring fights.... manny makes boxing bigger and bring excitement again...... i agree what larry say.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:43:43 AM
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Sodamn Insane:
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The PACMAN couldn't care less if he was rated No# 1 P4P king
He himself humbly told reporters that he still got a lot to learn and still in developement stages . All he want's is to give his fans a good fight and give it all his got , and thats a lot more
than any of this big mouth wannabe P4P can do . But I don't think anyone can dissagree that today the peoples champ
Manny 'PACMAN Paquaio is the Most EXCITING !!!!!! Boxer in
the ring and has given this sport a shot in the arm.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:47:30 AM
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Ken:
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I believe Pac is the number 1 Pound For Pound fighter in the world. He has fought and beaten the worlds top fighters in his weight class ( Morales, Barrera, Marquez). He not only beat them. He knocked them out! With the exception of Marquez of course. Floyd is more concerned about his record, he doesn't want to fight the top fighters out there. He hand picks his opponents. Yes he is a good boxer, but that's all he is. He doesn't have heart, courage, and guts to fight the best out there. That is what sets Pacquiao from the rest of the fighters. He is a True Warrior. He's not afraid to fight, he is willing to lay it all on the line! You cannot question his heart and courage. He is a modern day Warrior! I have all respect for someone like Manny Paquiao. He represents what a boxer should be. He has a lot of pride and heart! Hope to see more of Manny Paquiao in the future!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:48:11 AM
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Kurt:
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I agree, they owe it to the fans. For me Pacman is the best #P4P, he fights for the fans, he thanks all the fans , even the Mexicans, the Americans, all over the world who love boxing . Boxing is about the fans( without the fans there is no boxing sport)...the cheers, the shouts, the cries, the electricity of emotions, the adrenaline rush heartpounding emotion that the fans feels. Its the modern gladiators in front of the millions of fans around the whole world, the modern day people of Rome. Fans like me dont like to see cowards with gloves. Its not like fencing that all it takes is the saber to touch spots on the body and you get a score.Boxing is hit and not afraid to be hit. See how Muhammad Ali endured the punishment of George Foreman 'til he won despite the odds. Its the bravery that a boxer brings into the ring, in the name of pride, honor. It's also experiencing defeat and be a better fighter after that. It's a shame when a boxer is too afraid to fight, but they take the fans' and viewers money. Boxing evolved into a sport from a warriors heart and spirit.A man's show of strength , courage, dominance of an opponent, and skill. Nowadays many boxers, who dont have the courage to engage the enemy and who can't admit that they're too frightened to get punched , shamelessly brag after the bout .." i didn't attack the enemy coz I just want to teach him a boxing lesson"...and what a pathetic, slepy, undeserving, shameful boxing lesson it was indeed for the fans....Fans make the sport. I remember when I saw Barrera and Pacquiao match, after the fight you can see Barrera fans actually on tears.Though Barrera lost that bout, I developed a big respect for Barrera.That is how the fans loved and supported their fighters , with their hearts, their pride , emotions, their thoughts ,the joy they bring long before and after the fight. And as mentioned ," respect" is not something you ask for (like Mr. Pretty Boy wants) it is to be given to you naturally by the fans...if you deserve it. At the early career of Pacman, long before he came to America, long before he developed his skills, he used to simply accept dozens and dozens of punch just to corner an enemy to be able to give him just a punch or two of his own. That's the kind of fighter's heart he has. And now a Superstar, he remains humble even after victory. And you know what? he pray's before the start of his fights...for God to protect Him and His enemy on the ring, that no one will be seriously hurt. This is the kind of man he is, and a champion in peoples heart he is. To "Pretty Boy"...from many of us boxing fans...your nice statistics, your belts, your money...take it all , its all yours. But our respect...not yet...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:49:40 AM
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Gary S.:
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I couldn't agree more with Larry Merchant. He is the "Socrates" of boxing in this era. He is the commentator that sees not only the "forest" but beyond the forest. The number one factor in any sport, including boxing is entertainment. Who would be watching a boring sporting event ? The title P4P should be accorded to the boxer who wants to give it all to his audince. The dude who risks his life for the sport.
Gary
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 12:09:00 PM
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Mike:
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Pacquiao is the number one man. No quaestion.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 12:10:10 PM
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JayOlay:
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Manny would look like a great boxer too, if he 'cherry-picked' his next fights. But he looks for competition. What else could we ask for from a P4P champ?
VIVA PACMAN!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 01:03:08 PM
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Nick:
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"frauds" do not deserve shots against golden boys and definitely shouldnt get the p4p nod. Manny Pacquiao is number one for sure. Winky number 2.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 01:41:41 PM
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rey:
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to me MP is still the best although with all due respect to PBF skills. MP has the heart and guts to face whoever is the best in the business. as for that comment that EM is a done fighter, you've got to look at the previous fights with MP, those are wars and pretty it dissects the fighter's anatomy and in the long run, tear him apart. whoever faces Pacman should have his A game. if not then he is going to run over them with an offense that is equivalent to a good defense. just so overwhelming. if you close your eyes, you get to kiss the canvass. consider the power at that weight level, man. i don't mind spending money watching all his fights. i know it's guarranteed explosion.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:09:43 PM
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yani:
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Larry Merchant said one key statement just after the PBF vs Baldo fight..."Where is the drama?" Unlike Pac's fights, PBF's recent fights lacks the drama where the spectators are on their feet, chanting and yelling. PBF did win that fight against Baldo but I was bored to death after the fight. PBF even did the most frustrating thing to me as a spectator...PBF was waving and dancing in the last round knowing full well that he is ahead on points. The result was a loud booing from everyone including myself. You'll never see this scenario in any of Pac's fights. So I definitely agree with Merchant to consider the entertainment value of a boxer aside from skill alone as a category for P4P status.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:15:17 PM
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Alikabok:
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There may be opposition when it is said that Pacquiao is better than Floyd, but it is very wrong to say that more people wanted to watch Floyd. Truly, Manny is the most enjoyble to watch and worth paying for the tickets.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:16:08 PM
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asheru:
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Manny is number 1 hands down. I read a few comments about why Manny cant be at the top because of his previous loss to Morales, and draw to Marquez. Hmmm, seems to me Manny fought with a huge cut over his eye, and he moved UP in weight which means he was the smaller man in the first Morales fight that no one seems to remember. And Pac was only a one handed fighter in the Marquez fight. Manny has far more skill sets than he did a few years ago. Third, Manny has had time to grow into his division, he is much stronger and in his prime. Fifth, Mannny is a national symbol in his country, he is motivated in a way few fighters here are. My criteria for P4P is the answer to this question "Who is the peoples champion?" PBF? No sir.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:21:22 PM
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Anonymous user:
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hey rudy,
You're way off base. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. If you're a true fan and practitioner of the sport, you wouldnt arrive to your current conclusion.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:33:39 PM
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pitoy:
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PBF is the no.1 boring boxer. He fight for money!!!!!Beside he put us(audience ) into deep sleep....ngggorrrkkkkkk!!!!!!!PACMAN is not gifted as floyd but when he fight he give his all.And that's boxing is all about!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 02:51:39 PM
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Rahman:
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Merchant is wrong and way off. As is customary for many of us, as we age we become more emotional Larry is that. Or maybe he's trying to sell fights. The truth is The game has passed Larry by. When he isn't being caustic and insulting to fighters he's wasting our time and money pontifcating and quoting Homer or something else totally irrelevant to boxing. He's a relic. I can't wait until he's gone. I realize it may not be all his fault . In the effort to attract fans HBO allows him these ridiculous rants instead of putting togther more interesting fight cards so really part of it is their fault. Though their fights are not as interesting anymore Showtimes commenators are way better. They respect fighters and seem to know the game better. That said Manny definetly deserves to be on P4P list but probably #3 or #4.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 03:03:34 PM
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NOYB:
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Shouldn't pound for pound greats have the skill to fight and win at higher weights? Why then is Pacman considered better then Mayweather, when he refused to give Morales his wish to have the decider of their trilogy at the next weight up? Pacman beat a very drained and weak morales, who may also be a bit past his best, will have to see how he does at the next weight up before I can decide on that one. Bottom line, Pacman and Freddie Roach know Morales has trouble making the limit for that weight class, and took advantage of Morales pride and ego, to destroy a shell of what they'd be facing if it was a weight up, regardless of whether or not Morales is a bit past it or not. Pacman is a good boxer, but he is by no means great, and like Jeff Lacy, to name one example, he will be beaten if/when he faces a truly skilled boxer who is not drained by making weight, perhaps Marquez is skilled enough to do the job. One thing is for sure, if Mayweather, Jones, or De La Hoya in their prime fought Pacman at any weight, that both fighters could comfortably make, Pacman would not be long being erased from the top ten P4P list. Any man/woman who gets into the ring should be given due credit. Merchant is a hypocrite, doesn't know anything practically about boxing, I always loved when Jones would give his opinion of the action and Larry and the other guy to a lesser extent would question him, then later they'd have to awkwardly admit Roy was right, although Larry would just avoid admitting he was wrong as much as possible. There should always be at least one boxer on any boxing commentary panel, and perhaps a trainer as well. Currently, Manny steward is the only guy who makes any sense when calling the action, Lewis needs to master the English language and public speaking so his input reflects his skillful knowledge of boxing. I also found it very interesting that no one on HBO mentioned Scott Harrison when talking about Marquez' immediate boxing future, he is still in the framework, but no mention, why? Those of you who knock Mayweather, for whatever reason, and say Margarito will beat him and deserves a shot, I take great pleasure in seeing your hypocrisy now that Paul Williams is knocking at his door and getting no answer. Now these people are saying who is Williams, who has he beaten, it is not a money fight, LOL. Sounds familiar, hypocrites! Lets see Margarito go up the weights and show us how good he is, after he fights Williams that is. The fight that I'd love to see is Ricky Hatton VS Floyd Mayweather, at Junior Welter, and that will either expose one or the other as not as good as their record suggests, or will be one heck of a fight! I would give Hatton the edge myself, but it is a hard one to call, from an objective standpoint.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 03:18:26 PM
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Larry is confusing greatness with entertainment value. Floyd is the absolute best at his craft, regardless of what you think of his safety-first approach. It's actually very simple: If Manny was a natural 147 pounder and he fought Floyd, Floyd would win easily. That makes Floyd a better P4P fighter. And let's not forget Manny is a flawed fighter with less than perfect balance. Like Larry Merchant, I'd much rather watch Manny than Floyd. But let's not clutter the facts.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 03:55:05 PM
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Michael:
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I agree people endorsed "Pacman" as #1 P4P boxer in the world today because he has all the cobinations as a boxer, he has the skills , speed, brave heart , brain and the power fist who destroyed MAB,EM,OL and even JMM. No doubt he is #1 not Floyd coz ranking in boxing is not only you are skillful and talented. It should be you have all the combinations so that when you entered the ring people are worth watching over you and the entire arena are electrifying. Look at Pacman when he fight everybody in the arena and even the whole world are electrifying waiting his explosions and the people didn't disapointed of what they're expecting in the fight. If i were you Floyd, y dont you fight Pacman? Common down and loss your weight then fight him then if you can beat him then you prove your self that you are #1P4P.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 04:56:20 PM
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First, I assume everyone agrees that P4P best fighter is either PBF or PacMan. And they\'re P4P coz we all agree they can beat any opposition thrown at them. And not only beat but dominate. Now, who is P4P the best? Then the question is who would win if they face each other.
I see PBF outboxing Pac in the first few rounds, but PAC bringing the fight more to PBF as fight goes on. Don\'t forget PAC will let his opponents punch him as long as he can get his share (which he will.) Long story short, PAC wins either by close decision or even KO.
PACQUIAO is #1Pound 4 Pound!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 04:56:40 PM
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Lindsay:
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marquez might have sneaked out a draw during his first fight with manny Pacquiao only because the pacman hurt his left hand in the first round, marquez didn't win the 11 rounds after the 1st round watch the fight again with the volume down and you'll see what i mean. And if the pacman knocked marquez down three times when he wasn't a true featherweight(just his 2nd fight at featherwt during that time) yet, imagine what he can do to marquez , now that he is already a true superfeatherwight.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 05:14:42 PM
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pac is the best p4p fighter today ... heart of a warrior and a crowd's delight ... full of thrill and excitement against top caliber opponents today
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 05:16:41 PM
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Ironwood_Cebu:
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Go back to the basics - P4P is envisioned for those boxers that are superior to everyone irregardless of weight class. Now, the debate is whether who among the two - Pacman & Prettyboy tops. Technically, experts are in unison to say that PBF is it. But oppositions are right on the button when they countered that QUALITY of opponents has to be taken into consideration as they are the ones that can make these two look good or bad... and if this (quality of opposition) would be the last criteria to break the tie, i have to go with the PACMAN, hands down... PBF for the past couple of years have successfully evaded fighting the best damn men of his division; how then can he expects himself to be considered as the best there is if he continually avoiding quality opponents there is. This cant be said though in the case of the PACMAN; he's just fearless, a lay-them-all-up kind of boxer who doesnt mind fighting every month if needed, and to whomever he is paired (not to mention winning them in spectacular fashion huh!).. thats P4P No. 1 no doubt.
So in closing, i have to say - PACMAN should be the WORLD'S POUND-FOR-POUND Number 1 boxer today!
Cebu Paclanders Rocks!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 05:18:52 PM
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jerry:
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You're right Larry....Pacman is the best! boxing fans love him!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 05:26:14 PM
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arnel:
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PACMAN is the best... nothing more, nothing less...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 05:28:17 PM
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tasgaha:
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Just imagine how dull the sport of boxing if there's not a shadow of Manny Pacquiao... Just think of it.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:00:58 PM
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makgab:
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excitement,entertainment, keep you at the edge of your seat from start to finish that is what sports is all about...And Pacman
have it all... He just put back Boxing where it should be or should we say had elevated boxing to its highest level so far.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:11:38 PM
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Erwin:
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Larry s absolutely right. The best P-4-P should b the ring warrior who gives us reasons why we love boxing. Its not the record (although Pacquiao also has an impressive one), his technical skills or talent (although Pacquiao is learning more of those) but the passion, heart, intensity & the resolve to close the show w/ a bang. PBF is just content w/ having his record unblemished but dont forget boxing is a show & people most remember the event & how it ended: Ali demolished Foreman, Hagler crushed Hearns, Holyfield upset Tyson, Pacquiao annihilated Morales, Barrera (all have been Hall-of-Famers or future Hall-of-Famers). Does anyone remember PBF making a show?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:12:37 PM
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PACMAN P4P#1,Floyd is too boring like what Merchant said.Floyd is too scared to get hit unlike PAC a warrior and fun to watch.Put Floyd in #1 if he is willing to fight Margarito or Golden boy.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:18:58 PM
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mon:
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I think the Pac man is the P4p king. Besides fighting the best there is in the division(130) he always gave himself 100% to entertain people its not you win or lose but how you perform your best. Some mention gatti yeah i agree cause he always do his best when he fights its not the style the speed but what is important is the HEART. If you have the heart to win like Pacman no one can defeat you. Pacman has the style the speed and most important the HEART to Win.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:19:10 PM
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PBF would have beat the dog sh@t OUT of pacman at 130. merchant is old envious bastard. All he does is run at you and throws punches. it will catch with him, humberto soto, vasquez, marquez is to old now, but could surprise him. he's fought three top rank fighter. look at PBF record case closed
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:28:26 PM
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JMM got chickened out that\'s why he turned down that deal with Pacquiao a year ago Quarty. And now JMM is aging out, begging to fight MP for retirement money.
I smelled some hometown cooking in the rusty Marquez vs Jaca fight. Maybe I have a very suspicious mind but I think GBP just wanna sugar coat Marquez\'s fading boxing career. JMM would\'nt stand a chance with the prime Pacquiao. Young MP was just in the process of early stage learning under El Maestro Freddie Roach when he floored the prime JMM 3 freakin\' times for cryin\' out loud! Now, what will happen if this two fighters faces again? JMM will end up in the hospital with brain hemorage. As for PBF, he\'ll just continue being pretty with those cheesy pink gloves and not fight Margarito or Cotto whom I believe will make his ass handed to him. Manny Pacquiao is a "all out war" guy. No questions ask, PACMAN is currently the best pound for pound fighter. Peace out y\'all!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:34:57 PM
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garry:
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i agree with larry, amy, jmp, and bobby. pacman is the best p4p because of no nonsense fighting style and destroying legends after legends, rising again after the falls. PEOPLE LOVES ACTION, SLAM BANG, AND MOST OF ALL EXCITEMENT, that\\\'s
MANNY PACQUIAO!!!!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:38:12 PM
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Mojazz:
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PACMAN is the best P4P today, he\'s not picking his opponent like PBF\'s habit, he\'s always fighting with his heart and for the fans. So, for all over the world... WELCOME TO PACLAND!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:50:13 PM
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hatricker6:
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Manny Pacman Pacquiao is the NO.1..........FloydGAY Weather is the best p4p GAY boxer in the word! BOOORING fighter! show your heart like a warrior like PACMAN do!......................Larry Merchant is the best commentator in the world,he just saying the truth! GAYWEATHER!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 06:51:36 PM
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optvpixelpusher:
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I believe PBF is the #1 fighter today. He has beaten how many sho-ins for hall of fame again? What was his biggest PPV receipts again? How many top 5 P4P fighters has he faught? Castillo, Corrales and Corley are bottom dwellers in the mythical P4P list (the'yre not even in the list now). Morales was hovering between 4 and 7 in the P4P list before Pacman retired him, Barrera was hovering between 2 and 4 before Pacman battered him. JMM was hovering between 5 and 8. JMM did not win rounds 2 to 12, see the box stats and see the judges score cards, he was lucky one Judge scored round 1 wrong...the judge even admitted it later.
If you can see any flyweight today, Darchinyan, Arce, even bantamweight Rafo Marquez if you like, that jumped from flyweight to Super feather and did what Pacman did ...he'd probably be #1 P4P, but for now Floyd is the #1 in the mythical P4P - NOT!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:05:18 PM
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optvpixelpusher:
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I believe PBF is the #1 fighter today. He has beaten how many sho-ins for hall of fame again? What was his biggest PPV receipts again? How many top 5 P4P fighters has he faught? Castillo, Corrales and Corley are bottom dwellers in the mythical P4P list (the'yre not even in the list now). Morales was hovering between 4 and 7 in the P4P list before Pacman retired him, Barrera was hovering between 2 and 4 before Pacman battered him. JMM was hovering between 5 and 8. JMM did not win rounds 2 to 12, see the box stats and see the judges score cards, he was lucky one Judge scored round 1 wrong...the judge even admitted it later.
If you can see any flyweight today, Darchinyan, Arce, even bantamweight Rafo Marquez if you like, that jumped from flyweight to Super feather and did what Pacman did ...he'd probably be #1 P4P, but for now Floyd is the #1 in the mythical P4P - NOT!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:07:52 PM
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ExaminerAuthor:
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Larry Merchant is right. Pacman is #1. He takes risks of being hit inorder to unload his own brand of atomic bombs. By that, he is more entertaining to witness than Floyd. Furthermore, Floyd is BASTOS (rude) unwittingly exposing his ill education. I LOOK FORWARD TO HIS GRAND FALL IN HIS FUTURE FIGHTS. My BP runs high with BASTOS people like Floyd. Floyd, your bad WEATHER will, I hope so, end soonest.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:08:41 PM
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ironfist69:
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PBF is no.1 in boxing skills, no arguement on that and PACQUIAO is no. 1 in boxing excitement or entertainment. If I have to choose like Merchant? I will pick MANNY PACQUIAO, he gives the boxing fans their moneys worth. You can give the P4P title to PBF and he can shove it to his ***, nothing personal just my natural expression. I am dying to see PACQUIAO again on the ring, hope to see him in action next March 2007 whoever his opponent maybe. Win or Loss he will be regarded as NUMBER 1. numero uno kumpadre.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:11:49 PM
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Pacquiao is the most exciting boxer in the world right now. I would rather see Manny Pacquiao fight than see a boring Floyd Mayweather fight. How can PBF be #1 when all he does is hand pick his opponents?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:17:59 PM
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pavilion:
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Get this people! Have any of you been to the Thomas and Mack Center during the Pacman vs El Terrible Grand Finale? Or even during their first and second fight? Have you ever, EVER been to any other fight that can compare to the screaming, ear-splitting cheers, standing ovations, emotions, and electricity as the Grand Finale fans generated! You have to be there to believe it! Like another writer said, the noise is like being near a jet engine at take off! The sheer number of fans, the sheer excitement, the unbelievable cheering, the loud expressions of joy and pride among the spectators... this will determine the best pound for pound boxer! In the movie Gladiator, a former enslaved fighter said... win the croud, you win your freedom. You may be the best boxer, but unless you win the croud you're just a boxer. Win the croud and you turn into something else! That's what the Pacman does, everytime. Bring in the crowd, win the crowd.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:26:02 PM
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NATE:
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the only reason why PBF looks good in the ring is because of the kind of opposition he gets....low-caliber, hand-picked fighters. PBF is so obsessed with protecting his immaculate record that he'll do anything just to fix the show. he's not been tested lately, and i believe people will have an otherwise impression of "The Fraud" come may 2007.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:32:53 PM
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Maverick:
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A while ago I saw an argument about P4P Kings being able to fight at higher weights. Well SURPRISE!!!!! Manny Pacquiao went up from 108 lbs. to fight presently at 130lbs. and you still expect him to go up to 135 lbs. for Morales? Get real bro. 22 lbs. from his original fighting weight is "GOING UP IN WEIGHT". ok... soon he will go up to 135 lbs. maybe 27 lbs above his original fighting weight is going up in weight. Nuff said.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:42:17 PM
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jumanji:
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PacMan is just an ordinary fighter who works hard to achieved his goal.
Give him floyd and he'll fight floyd anytime anywhere. It is correct that he has flows but his working on that flows and continue improving in every fight. He will fight anybody including a master ring technician in JMM, and legends like MAB and EM. OK he was couter punched by JMM through 11 rounds after he KD JMM 3times in the 1st round and it was enough to salvage a draw. That's why he wants a rematch and what did JMM do he priced himself out of the possible rematch. Then he lost to EM on points in thier 1st fight while suffering a bad cut, but in 2nd and 3rd fight proves who really Pacman is.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:45:54 PM
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ryan:
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pretty boring is number #5 in my p4p list. PACMAN #1, Winky #2, Hopkins #3, Margarito #4. Pretty boring\'s uncle even admits that his nephew is a boring fighter. Pretty boring is a disgrace in the sport and only cares about his legacy and money. People don\'t want to see a chicken running in the ring for 12 rounds, people wants to see a killer like PACMAN. Pretty boring is to protective of his face that he does not want to be cut and for me its not boxing, however, pretty boring may not be so boring if he do some figure skating, ballet, or something that involves dancing, he is very good at that.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:58:38 PM
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gil:
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Mayweather????/ so boring...... i though im watching a dancing lesson when he fought Baldomir!!!! I got asleep in my couch..... very boring.... the next time he fights.. i will never watch it.... his talent is not a boxers talent.... its a common talent of a runner.... 100 meter dash.... it is not boxing!!!!! Hey... if everybody belives he is a p4p..... you better watch latino dances..... its just like that..... not boxing!!!!!!! pacquiao???? so exciting... all adrenaline up!!!! when mayweather won..... did the whole country of america watch it?????/ no way..... but pacquiao???/ philippines, malaysia, japan, china..... mexico and the rest of the latin countries... whew...... the rest of the world actually watched it!!!! and there are even a lot of fans....... think it over p4p scorers!!!!!!!.......
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 07:59:48 PM
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nerfeyan:
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the only deserving opposition PBF has ever faced was Castillo and Corrales nothing more, others was a carefully soft pick and about to retire, so what about he's unbeaten?, does it put him to the top? hands down to Pacman.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:02:21 PM
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My problem with PBF's skills is that he doesn't want to showcase it against good opposition like Margarito. PBF would, of course, look impressively skillful if he's fighting others who are obviously less skilled than him.
I puked when I saw PBF crying during his post-fight press. What is it really, PBF? Are you fighting for the money, or legacy? Make up your mind, hypocrite.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:07:07 PM
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Botyok:
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Boxing was long dead when Tyson was gone., so with HBO. Boxing world was just shaken up when Pacman arrived. Everytime he has an upcoming fight, boxing fanatics cant sleep & cant wait to see & watch him fight, because everybody are so excited.
PBF to watch him fighting are waste of money for the PPV. Better watch free for the replay. If PBF has an upcoming fight, its very ordinary, people are not that excited.
Let the whole world vote, who\'s the #1 P4P.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:13:11 PM
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reynerose:
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PACMAN, is the best today in terms of entertainment on boxingfans of boxing today needs entertainment just like what mike , tyson lennox lewis in the past, but for me \\"PACMAN\\" IS THE MOST EXCITING BOXER TODAY \\"POUND FOR POUND\\" :)" :)PACMAN, is the best today in terms of entertainment on boxingfans of boxing today needs entertainment just like what mike , tyson lennox lewis in the past, but for me \\"PACMAN\\" IS THE MOST EXCITING BOXER TODAY \\"POUND FOR POUND\\" :)
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:20:33 PM
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dennisremorozo:
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pacman thats it!!! thats the defenition of p4p being the best of the best in his weight division and not being selective who he wants to fight. PBF is a good running boxer inside the ring, he\'s afraid to get hit therefore he\'s a boring boxer. A good boxer must be a fighter to be considered as P4P #1. PBF fights a guy and very selective with likes of baldomir who is 34 yrs. old now he wants to fight older guys who\'s coming to retirement WHY NOT FIGHT MARGARITO WHOS YOUNG AND STRONG. I SUGGEST PBF TO TO CHANGE SPORT LIKE ATHLETICS WHERE HE CAN BE A VERY VERY GOOD RUNNER. GOOD LUCK PBF.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:21:37 PM
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zaq:
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Manny is the reigning World Boxing Council (WBC) International Super Featherweight Champion (since 2005), former The Ring People's Featherweight Champion (2003-2005), former IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (2001-2004), and former WBC Flyweight Champion (1998-1999)..
Former Flyweight Champion and considering the best Super featherweight today.... from 112 lbs to 130lbs.....hmmm..that speaks a lot!!!!
He crushed Barrera, Larios, MOrales and downed Marquez 3X..all of whom are bigger than him!!!!
I would say Pacman is No 1!!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:27:14 PM
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Akizaa:
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Absolutely agreed with Merchant, PAC truly the king of P4P.......
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:28:55 PM
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EL CRITICO:
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manny pacquiao is a one trick pony, pacland is full of nuthuggers and the best boxers come from mexico... 3 facts there boys...
:)
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:33:00 PM
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I read a post by NOYB that #1 p4p fighters fight and win in higher weight divisions and hence couldn't rate Manny Pacquiao # 1 because MP didn't want to fight Erik at lightweight. While PBF on the other hand is moving up in weight and still remains undefeated. He missed out the fact that Pacman started as a JUNIOR FLYWEIGHT!!! That means Pacquiao moved up 7 times and still kept his KO rate. In additoin, Pacman fought the best IMMEDIATELY after moving up: Lehlo Ledwaba (just after moving up to Super-bantam), and MAB (second fight after moving up to featherweight). MAB didn't have trouble making weight and yet got beaten by Manny Pacquiao. Manny fought Erik Morales as his first fight as a Superfeather weight. Let's wait and see how Pacman will fair against bigger people??? Manny has been facing bigger people all his life. He was a JUNIOR FLYWEIGHT for crying out loud. Manny Pacquiao always looks shorter than his opponents. PBF on the other hand started as a junior lightweight and currently has gone up 3 times to welterweight. Who did PBF KO after moving up??? Arturo Gatti in round 6 in a light welterweight - who was also starved to death and past his prime. MP dispatched EM in 3 under similar circumstances. BTW, EM is a much bigger superstar than Arturo Gatti. PBF hasn't KO'd anyone as a welterweight. Sure, PBF will move up and fight ODLH. but isn't Oscar averaging less than a fight a year and is considered semi-retired and also past his prime. Oscar's state now woudn't last 3 rounds against a prime Tommy Hearns. Tommy Hearns was KO'd by Ray Leonard in 1980. Yet PBF claims that he's going to beat the hell out of Sugar Ray Leonard if they fought in the ring? I can't see Leonard winning only by decision against a journeyman Baldomir? The only way PBF can save his face and prove to all of us he is P4P king is he dispatches ODLH in less than 3 rounds. Let's wait 'til May. But as of now, Manny Pacquiao is racking up future-hall-of-fame KO victims.
And off the bat, ODLH is the bigger draw than PBF in the upcoming fight. My guess is he expects no less than three times more than PBF in the PPV shares. If PBF finds that insulting, their may be contractual disputes that may threaten the realization of the fight. What I'm saying basically is that there is still some considerable risk of the fight not taking place.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:34:26 PM
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I couldn't say Manny Pacquiao is the best, pound-for-pound, nor could I say for PBF and Winky. But I daresay Pacquiao, Floyd, and Winky are the best in the world today. Fans look at different aspects of the game, some fans want to see a war and others want to see a clinic. I look for all 3 of those in one fight. Skillwise, no one beats Floyd. The reason why he couldn't really engage like Pacquiao does is coz Floyd's chin isn't as durable (remember Roy Jones?). I saw his fight with Castillo and Corley and I thought to myself "that's probably the reason why he boxes more than he fights." That's why Floyd's best offense is his defense coz he can't get hit. Winky, on the other hand, though he boxes, puts on a good show despite the lack of fire power. The difference between Floyd and Winky is that Winky can take a hit. Taylor banged him badly but still stood there to pummel Taylor against the ropes. That's what makes Winky so fun to watch. Now, for my fellow Filipino, Manny Pacquiao, considering his many flaws as a boxer, I wonder why he is one of the 3 best fighters today... That's coz Manny comes in with tremendous firepower and evolving skills. His defense is poor compared to PBF's and Winky's, but he sure could take shots and he overwhelms his opponents with his fury. Nobody in the sport of boxing attacks the way Manny does, and that makes him the most exciting fighter there is today. He beat Barrera when he was raw. Marquez is clearly a better boxer than Barrera, and he was so close to beating a raw Pacquiao, and I could say Pacquiao got lucky with the 3 knockdowns or else he would've ended up like Jimrex Jaca. Still, the great boxer that Marquez is, he still was bludgeoned in the first round. Morales was the best Manny's ever faced and Erik showed him that the first time they met. Manny was outclassed 7 rounds to 5 but those 5 rounds he won with his might and his heart, considering he moved up without a tune-up at 130. There were even shades of his raw self when he faced Velasquez, that was PacMonster version 1 with that right hook. PacMonster version 2 showed up in the Morales rematch, the right hook plus the right gameplan. Erik might have outpointed him in the first half of the fight, but Manny out-thought him. Ever wonder why Erik tired so quickly? Manny put his money in the bank while Erik was busy racking up points. Result? Morales got knocked out for the first time. In the Larios fight showed PacMonster version 3, the boxer-puncher, and Manny showed his new boxing skills. And just last week, we saw PacMonster version 4, the power counterpuncher. Pacman evolves after every fight and people see that and they love seeing what else Pacman has in store. He's like Iverson, relentless, fearless, overwhelming, and without a title. PBF is like Kobe or Lebron, he's born to be the best, skillwise. And Winky is like Ron Artest, not that he's a bad boy but because of his frustrating defense and the way he keeps coming at you. Final say? Best fighter, PacMan. Best complete boxer, PBF. Best boxer, Winky. Pound-for-Pound doesn't even matter. People see it, and people love to see what they do and how they do it. Just my opinion.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:41:47 PM
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Coming from a country who's only popular for corrupt government officials before the PACMAN, it's like a breath of fresh air that PACMAN can even compete for P4P King. boxing isn't a world people of all plights in my country will take a notice of. we have problems too many to give a damn...but when
Manny arrives and each time he steps in the ring...our world (however small and struggling) stops! You may all argue about who your #1 is in the P4P list, but just a sight of our own making it in the far side of the world from poverty is #1 for us, not alone in the P4P list. We thank the legendary Larry Merchant for his opinion (however skeptical and arguable.)
I don't know if it counts or even matters, in a game that's both exciting and almost barbaric, the only player who first and foremost acknowledges his power is from God, 'tis the PACMAN. No P4P boxer in the world would do just that! and beat that, all ye! Maybe today is his time, but for us, it's the only time! He's going to fade in the years to come, (just not too soon) but p4p or no p4p, he's one of us! A warrior need not be king, but to lead his flocks to glory is like one! That's probably what PBF is lacking, the back-up of an entire nation!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:44:20 PM
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I'm a pacman fan.. if we are looking for the best fighter in terms of: skill, heart, courage & entertainment, then Pacman is no. 1, not Floyd because floy does not have the heart & courage the best fighters, and he is not entertaining.... But if we are looking for the best fighter in terms of: skills & boring-ness, then i agree with everyone that Floyd is the best-skilled boxer and the most boring one in the world.. By the way, Pacman has the heart/courage to face the best fighters (even if he has a fever), while Floyd keeps on avoiding fighters like Cotto, Margarito, Castillo (rematch),.. yes he is fighting DlHoya (an older dlHoya), but other than dlHoya, anyone best?
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 08:59:26 PM
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JOVITO A. PASAJOL:
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If you want BOXING LESSONS go watch PBF but if you want non-stop ACTION, hit and be hit attitude and get your adrenalin flowin' , YOU WATCH PACMAN! Lined them up MAB, JMM, VALERO, GUZMAN, SOTO, etc. File for early retirement. "PINAKAMAGALING, NUMERO UNO" Mannnnnnny D Pacmannnnnnnnn Pacquiooooooooooooooo
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:00:49 PM
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Dong Diamond:
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Of course there is always #1, #2, #3 and so on.....But if you are smart enough to scale the boxer's way of fighting, his opponents caliber and the Charisma he draws either inside or outside the ring, no other boxer than the "PacMan", "Pacific Tsunami", "Destroyer" all in one!!!!
Manny Pacquiao is not only the #1 but "The Best Fighter" of them all.
PBF is a "DANCER", Winky is a "Runner" and Rafael Marquez is a "Lucky Puncher".
I would suggest then a special fight ; MP vs. MAB, JMM, and E Valero in One Night!!!! 3 rounds each!!! Hehehehe, The PacMan will crush them all.
As his surname Pacquiao/Pakyaw in Tagalog dialect means 'TAKE IT ALL'!!!!!!!
I am also a fighter/trainer (Survival Fighting Instructor) so i know who's the best and who's the worst. May The Merciful BUDDHA bless you all!!!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:14:09 PM
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If records are to be used as the sole basis for Pound-for-Pound greatness, then VALERO wins it hands down over Pretty Boy and Pacman.
However, we all know that Valero's opponents are not that good maybe with the exception of Mosquera so we really can't put Valero on top yet, can we?
So making a choice between Pac and Pretty Boy, I have to go with Pac. Everyone says Pac hasn't got skills blah blah. My answer to them is maybe it's God's will that He didn't give Pac Pretty Boy's Boxing Skills, because if He did. Pac would have gobbled up just about everyone.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:20:50 PM
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algy:
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consider it this way... if bob arum will be choosing to promote only one boxer between pacman and pretty boy, who will you think hall of fame arum will pick?... consider also if GBP will be choosing to promte only one boxer between pacman and pretty boy, who will you think GBP will pick?... how about don king?...consider also the boxer who is most dominating in his division ryt now? in pacman weight class, maybe the boxers or their trainers wanted to avoid pacman (if not considering big buck)... while in pretty boy weight, the pretty boy himself is avoiding the boxers he should fight with! hah, they are on opposite tip of the rope!
if we have to set criteria such as skills, records, division dominance, entertainment, boxing opposition, heart, character, boxing style - how much pound will go to pacman and to pretty boy?
or anybody out their can put their own criteria then view their own results...
and my guess the result will be for MANNY...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:21:29 PM
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Cherry_Blossoms:
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i agree to some guys here. Give the P4P title to "Pretty Boy". But your respect to Manny. title is less important than respect. i wasn't a boxing fan before manny stepped into the ring. i don't want to see any match of Mayweather. i might boxing again.
well, there maybe similarities bet PAC and Pretty Boy. that is they both pick their opponents. the only difference is that Manny picks the best while Mayweather picks the Losers (that makes him a loser too). Just my opinion. No Hard Feelings.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:22:37 PM
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jeb:
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If MP handpicked all of his opponents like PBF does, he'd look good too - perfect record plus no flaws would be revealed. The only difference is the excitement he would bring into every fight.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:27:06 PM
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kantutin mo:
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PBF fights are so dull. He should step up his competition by fighting the best there is, in the tradition of sugar ray leonard, hagler, duran, hearns. I agree with Larry Merch.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:27:22 PM
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sanoj:
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kudos to Mr woods! I agree with Mr. Merchant, Pacman is the best P4P fighetr today simply because he\'s the most entertaining and exciting boxer today and he can draw big crowds. Afterall, boxing is an entertainment business! Right? I respect Floy Mayweather\'s boxing and technical skills but he only fights for himself and always "playing safe" and not fighting for the people or his fans. And by the way Mr. Mayweather, you will not become a multi-millionaire boxer if not for the PAYING FANS who wanted to be entertained with the so-called "p4p fighter". We as paying fans, we need our money\'s worth and not watching a boring fight disguising as a "technically and skilled fighter" like you. You became a famous fighter because people were blinded that you are the best P4P boxer out there but the truth is you\'re just a "safety fighter" who doesn\'t want to loose. Of course, you can see Pacman have 3 losses on his record but I think you can gauge the best P4P figher by "QUALITY" and of course success he brings to the fans. Pacman has the quality and success even though he lost to EM the 1st time they met but it\'s evident that all Pacman\'s fight were worth watching! And I can say in my opinion too that even Eric Morales is a better fighter than Pretty boy because he doesn\'t backed out and like Pacman brings excitement to the fans. Morales earned the respect of Pacman fans. So to Floyd Mayweather, abandoned your style and proved to everybody that Pacman is "only" number 2 in P4P but for the meantime Pacman is the Man! Mr excitement! The best P4P today!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:41:17 PM
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Pacman has Boxing revived its true essence. 1st is a pure warriors heart and 2nd is the skill to put down opponents and Thats what PACMAN's made of. He's No.1 P4P !!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:49:08 PM
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When an elite fighter meets another elite fighter in the ring, his fight becomes awkward and flaws starts to show up because his strength, power and style will meet equal strength, power and style.
PBF looks flawless most of the time because he fought mostly slower, weaker and B-rated opponents.
Pacman looks awkward most of the time but he disposes Pound-4-Pound quality opponents with KO powers, quickness and quality fighters in the category of Morales, Barrera, Marquez and Larios.
PBF is theoretecally the best because his acquired boxing skills and talent.
Pacman is practically the best because of his ability to dispose the best pound-4-pound, hall of famer fighters in his division.
Its a matter of choice. I\'d go with the battle tested fighter.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 09:54:55 PM
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Input eater:
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pbf is gud en technical figther jst lyk jmm, but im nt convinced if he will put in the #1 p4p as of this moment, but if i wer 2 decide? if hve to watch first the delahoya-mayweather on may 2007, if he win in a convincing win or if he can stop golden boy in a distance, thats the time i can give him the green light signal to be the #1 p4p boxer.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:07:23 PM
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al:
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The dispute, if you can call it that, is really about the definition of "pound for pound fighter". And if you reduce it even more, the real issue is what the word "fighter" means. Clearly, PBF and MP are the best examples of the two contending definitions of "fighter"; consummate skill, slickness and talent for PBF, power, speed, heart and ferocity for MP. The debate will not end because each opinion is based on the person's definition of the word fighter. Maybe the correct definition is that of the collective voice of the viewers who vote with their wallets; after all they put thier money where their collective mouth is and it is they who decide if it is worth watching either PBF or MP. If so, maybe that old Larry Merchant may be correct after all.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:19:16 PM
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Pretty Boy Floyd,Pretty Boring Floyd ,Pity Boy Floyd or Pretty Boy Fraud or whatever you call him can\'t be the #1 P4P today. He has been trying to avoid to fight great boxers. He\'s a chicken. While Pacquiao knows no fear.For you to be crowned #1 P4P, you must be the bravest boxer alive and not just a skillful one. Pacquiao\'s willing to fight anyone. MAB and JMM chickened out years ago. Well, PBF is a sure Hall of Famer. Some of us thinks that he is a better boxer than Manny. But who\'s the braver one? It is time for PBF to vacate the seat to give way to Manny Pacquio. To all PBF fans, we\'re talking of the P4P ranking today not a year ago.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:27:48 PM
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ippo_makunouchi:
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Pacquiao is the best his own way, PBF is the best in his. who would you want to watch? Hmm... I think the answer is obvious, Pacman is #1 pound 4 pound King!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:30:37 PM
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Nandi:
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The best way to see who between PacMan and PBF is the #1 P4P is to let them fight each other.
If that is not possible, let them fight on the same date against the best in their division and let the people decide who to see.
Cheers and have a nice day!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:40:44 PM
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freddy:
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..and now that Manny has improved at lot, and becomes natural Superfeatherweight - it becomes more terrifying for his upcoming opponents...He is the#1 PFP King nowadays!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:42:47 PM
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Philip Naparan:
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Why you people fight with the idea of who is the best p4p fighter? For me the best p4p fighter is #1.Rustico Torrecampo(The one who knocks PACMAN) and #2 is Rolando Navarrete PERIOD.!!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:51:44 PM
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Allan Qatar:
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I agree with Larry Merchant he's the man!!! he knows the quality fighter,strong, speedmaster & humble not like other guys outhere who's talking like a real king in the boxing industry but in reality he's just choosen his weakest opponent in order to mentain his record in the ring, what if PBF just simply follow pacman's eagerness to fight those A-rated fighters? and hey! PBF people should critisize you if they see something to be critisized, disgusting!!!!!!!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 10:52:59 PM
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cheers:
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Pacquiao has the heart of a truly blooded warrior.
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:00:45 PM
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wil:
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How could somebody name PBF the best pound for pound boxer today when he has NO HEART and NO GUTS?......
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:22:02 PM
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hudas:
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PBF? hahaha! Did you happen to look at his recent fight? he was funny when he came in with big breasted men carry him. hehehe. he wore pink gloves and funny looking trunks. he was embarassed himself when he get atop the ring. P4P? hands down its the PACMAN! yes he is not as talented as PBF but he is as humble as a national hero of a country. I think he has nothing to prove already. barrera, marquez, morales, you lnpw theyre the best but pacman demolished them all. PBF fought who? gatti? baldomir? corrales? and yet he is soooooooooooooooooooooooo proud that he is the best. ow cmon. I want to see him fight mig cotto, hatton , margarito. these are the best in his division and yet he dodged them all. I bet he cant win against paul williams. all he does is run and run. he is so boring and a have a very loud mouth to top it all. you know what? you should not wait for oscar to fight you. RETIRE NOW! you bore the fans and no one wants waste their time on your fights...
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:33:58 PM
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johny:
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P4P king = Pacquiao
BORING = Mayweather
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:38:33 PM
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Jonas:
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Hi Mr Woods, nice article and to Mr Merchant, you're right Pacman is the top P4P simply because he is the most entertaining fighter today and crowd pleaser. After all boxing is "ENTERTAINMENT" business. You will not be known as best P4P boxer if people doesn't like the way you fight. I respect Floyd Mayweather, his boxing skills and records but, let's face it PBF always "playing safe" when he's fighting so how can we
rate him as P4P fighter if he doesn't give the paying fans the
entertainment they need? Afterall, without us (the fans) he will not be there earning millions. So, it's the "quality" of the fight should be the gauge to be the best P4P boxer. Though Pacman lost to Morales the 1st time they meet but the quality of every Pacman fight were all EXCITING and worth watchin, and the PAYING FANS were all satisfied and not robbed. To
Mr Mayweather, please give us an entertaining fight because WE made you multi-millionare!! Go Pacman! Best P4P boxer today!
Tuesday Nov 28, 2006 11:55:55 PM
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jeb:
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If MP handpicked all of his opponents like PBF does, he'd look good too - perfect record plus no flaws would be revealed. The only difference is the excitement he would bring into every fight.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:04:14 AM
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edmond:
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no other fighter in the world like pacman willing to fight who challenge him plus big heart and no fear style
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:33:45 AM
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edmond:
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no one can beat pacman my no1 p4p fighter
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:35:42 AM
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Jerry Lynch:
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P4P implies that a man is the best fighter in the world, regardless of weight. The designation was created for welter/middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson in a time when there was no earthly way he could step into the ring with the heavyweights. His simple ring mastery was honored and respected by all fans & writers. I have a question to pose: What is 'technically superior' supposed to mean? Was Michael Jordon not 'technically superior" when he did unconventional things such as change hands in mid shot and dunk UNDER his defender? Is a knuckleball pitcher in baseball "technically deficient" because he throws the ball in a strange manner & very slow? Pacman is "technically superior" because he fights in a manner that simply overwhelms his opponent. He has developed his right hand, as well as his defense, and seldom gets hit. I would say that the "technically deficient" description is out-dated! The scribes and broadcasters need to watch his fights & see the progression before making those assertions. I surely wish PBF was 135 (on fightnight) or Manny could reasonably make 140 to see that fight but it is not in the cards. Even if such a fight were made now at 140, Manny would weigh 145 & PBF would weigh 175 when they fought. Hardly a fair assessment of ability. Pacman is #1 P4P not because of style or popularity, but rather because he is simply the best! He looks odd but is in perfect control. Boxing is not ballet in which a person must always look graceful.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:41:15 AM
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You can't be rated as the # 1 P4P boxer if you refuse to fight other great boxers. I think the 2 criterias in selecting the P4P king should be 1. THE QUALITY OF THE FIGHTS and 2. THE QUALITY OF THE OPPONENTS. I have not seen a boring Manny Pacquiao fight since he started boxin in the US. How bout PBF? We all saw how his last fight went against an underdog fighter. He even failed to knock him down! What a shame...
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:42:01 AM
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doodsky:
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I'm MPs no.1 fan. I consider PBF to be PFP#1 til after MP ktfo of EM in their last fight. Manny has improved a lot, I mean a lot. You seen the right hook, the counterpunching, the uppercut? Now, I'm convincing myself that MP is no. 1 PFP, wow! And some other people are too, wow again! PBF is just too disappointing with picking his opponents. Why can't he just fight Margarito, Hatton etc. Then we wouldn't have to argue about anything here. But hey, try to fight man, and not play "you're it" all the time. But hell yeah, this is the fun part, PFP discussion And wow MP is being considered no. 1. That's bonus for his fan like me.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:44:13 AM
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LEWIS:
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Here's the fact. PBF is at the twilight of his career while Manny is on its way of reaching the peak of his career. There's no doubt PBF "was" a very skillful fighter. But Manny is still improving after each fight. I think Manny is just 85% of his full potential. PBF deserved to be respected but it is time that Manny get the top spot in P4P rankings.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:52:38 AM
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luis:
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Pacquiao is an explosive fighter while PBF is a boring dancer in the ring.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 12:55:30 AM
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Armand:
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If you really want to know who is the best P4P, perhaps on each weight division there will be a list for potential P4P, meaning the best boxer in the weight class, hall of famers or even the unbeatable....then lets see who in their weight class beat most of the best fighter in the ring then law of averages dictates who will be the best P4P and of course like NBA MVP voting the media will also have a vote to complete the list.
Technical and Speed can be appreciated if this will be used on top the ring beating the unbeatables in a very dominating manner and the so called best of the best, not the turkeys and the monkeys.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 01:03:17 AM
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Jhaehsonne:
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If one of the two (PBF & PAC) would retire now, who would you choose to stay?
If the two of them have matches, which fight would you watch?
If the two fight the top 3 best on their respective divisions, who do you think will have the better record?
The answers to these questions should simply be the best P4P.
Here are my answers:
1.) PAC = stay, PBF = retire
2.) PAC = exciting, PBF = boring
3.) Guzman and Valero have perfect records like PBF but I still think that PAC is way above them. PAC vs. Barrera: I think we all know the result before. For PBF, Dela hoya and Mosley at 154, Williams, Collazo, Chavez at 147. It's for you to decide.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 01:21:37 AM
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jeb:
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If MP handpicked all of his opponents like PBF does, he'd look good too - perfect record plus no flaws would be revealed. The only difference is the excitement he would bring into every fight.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 01:48:39 AM
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Anonymous user:
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How many fighters did PBF retire???? MP retired both lebwada and EM!!!!! If that is not great, thne what is?.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 01:49:54 AM
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DAN COOPER:
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We all know that PBF is the most skillfull boxer today. But I don't agree when he said that he is the greater than Sugar Ray. Hope PBF heard what he is saying. and only the fans can tell u that coz they are the one who sees what ur doing in the ring. PacMan still P4P king!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 02:12:19 AM
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silvercerise:
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MP is P4P KING.. HE HAS BROUGHT THE BOXING SPORT BACK IN THE MAP. PBF??? PEOPLE WILL FORGET HIM....
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 02:53:22 AM
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BLOOD:
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If I wan't to know who is the # 1 p4p fighter I'll check the latest issue of the Ring magazine, not a rabble-rouser like Larry Merchant.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 03:42:07 AM
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G.I. Joe:
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All I can say is that Pretty Boy Badweather should be a member of a BoyBand or he should create his own group of Boyband simply because he knows how to dance and maybe sing too (like Pacman)? Pacman can excite every fan because Pacman knows that these are the paying fans who wanted a entertainment that's why he give a good fight and he sings..hehehe..it's really entertaining..! So pacman is the consumate Mr excitement of boxing but i guess he will not win a grammy award! Pretty Boy may win a grammy or MTV award if he'll continue his dancing and running..Pacman best P4P today!!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 03:44:40 AM
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olympic boy:
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oh at last somebody noticed the pacman!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 05:29:36 AM
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hitman:
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pac is the real #1 P4p. If any one of you goes for PBF, and pac and pbf have the same fight schedule, what fight will you watch? anyone of you want to get sleepy for 12 rounds watching pbf fight or have that rush of adrenalin watching manny pacman giving and taking it all just to show us what fighting really is...
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 05:36:17 AM
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k:
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i only watched boxing when pac fights if PBF is P4P 1 so what?
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 05:46:33 AM
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el tunto:
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if time have been too patient having manny and pbf met at 130 i think i could have witness a sweet ko and the prey is pbf.manny is the king
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 05:50:58 AM
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Igcaster:
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PAcMaN is the most devastating and exciting fighter in the world. I doubt if PBF can show that electrifying performance in the ring. P4P --- hands down PaCMaN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 06:45:27 AM
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batista:
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if pbf is in the superfeatherweight, then manny will surely knock him doubt no questions. btw watch out for manny getting all the belts in the superfeatherweight division. manny will be undisputed champion by next 2 years. now lets see who gets the last laugh.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 07:05:22 AM
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Ferdie:
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Manny Pac-man is the P4P king ...No doubt
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 08:12:54 AM
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rudy:
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PacMan no doubt is a great exciting fighter, but #1 no way. You cant say he is #1 because he has the best fights. Its the BEST BOXER!!! Not action star, this is a sport - not a Rocky movie. You have to appreciate the SWEET SCIENCE for what it is, knock Floyd all you want but the man can Box, I know its against lesser competition and believe I hate the fact how he claims to be #1 beating 2nd level opposition. Merchant is senial old man, doesnt know what he talks about, is a critic - I love the point made by NYOB - who stated how Merchant is always proven wrong by the true men of the sport in Roy Jones & Manny Steward. But Floyd isnt at the top of list, neither is Pacman bc of the draw with Marquez, who really beat his ass for the rest of the fight after the 1st round. Pac didnt hurt his hand, thats a BS excuse, and another great point by NYOB that Manny & Roach knew they could beat a weak Morales at 130(hence the clause in the contract for the weight limit or else PacMan cashes in). He exploited his weakness and knew Morales would take the fight because of his TRUE WARRIOR mentality, thats not #1 status in my book. That's stooping down to Floyd's level and handpicking your opponent cuz u know u can beat them. #1 no way, top 3 definitely, but I see Manny P. losing to Marquez - he exposed him once and will do so again if they meet. Dont care if he using box hands know, Marquez is a true technician and an awesome counter puncher and know a fire has been lit and hes out to claim top spot in the division, he's a HUNGRY fighter after what has happened to him after he turned down $750k, but it looks like it will work out for him, cuz he has know made his way back and if he fights Barrera or Manny - I believe he will cash in more than the $750k. As for #1 for Floyd or Manny, we have to wait and see what they both do next, Floyd has his biggest challenge in his career and Pacman has the cards in his hands but the blemish of the beating he took from Marquez remains. Floyd has to prove he can go with the sport's elite and Manny has to avenge the beat down he took from Marquez in 11 straight rounds! Just wait and see........
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 08:44:38 AM
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ddonaldo:
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Larry merchant is correct. Manny pacquiao is the #1 P4P boxer in the entire world! PEACE!!!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 09:00:36 AM
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killstreak416:
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PACMAN RULES!!! Enough for this argument.. I reach with the conclusion based on the comments posted in here that definetely, PACMAN is the world's no. 1 P4P
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 09:13:19 AM
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nitoy:
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many people are looking and even criticizing Manny for flaws on his fighting style...but hey..how come Barrera, Marquez, Morales (all are regarder as more complete fighter than Manny) did not able to beat Manny? I think that if PBF wants to earn the respect of the fans and truly deserve the title as P4P king he must give his best to the fans by fighting a worthy opponents. Just like other sports, the best of an atlhete can only be seen if he is fighting the best opponents. I wonder how PBF will fight top figthers in his division? Maybe he will chicken run as he did while figthing what he regarded as class C fighters. How can you say that you are the best there is when you are not fighting the bests? Records is just the index of a boxer, just like in any item you can buy in a store. Some items are not worthy of buying as their label suggests. Manny also has a good boxing record but unlike PBF Manny's record is worth buying for because of the quality of how he fights. Pac is no doubt the no.1 P4P fighter TODAY!!!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 09:18:17 AM
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THE GREAT LEBOWSKI:
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1. The Only Way to silence the PBF Faithful is for PBF to immediately take on Antonio Margarito and juan guzman ..after taking on an Aged Golden Boy.
2. i saw something in PBF "glass chin" a good hook to it "one that he's not prepared would do it"
3. Joan Guzman's style is almost similar to PBF.. let's see how he taste's his own medicine..
My Money On Guzman over PBF at 130..
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 09:53:53 AM
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KOBE:
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Foyd has got a very good boxing skill but he wasn't really that good when he fought Castillo on their 1st battle. As far as I remember he already got stain on his 100% perf.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 10:25:34 AM
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dino:
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maylene said manny pacquiao is the biggest puncher in the business! inuman na....
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 11:13:20 AM
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behoho:
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the best way to settle the issue, is atop the ring,let pacquiao fight mayweather at a catch weight to determine who's the real p4p king!
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 06:35:26 PM
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ROMERO:
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u know when u say p4p.. if you put mayweather without affecting his skills and speed at 130.. do you think he'll win .. i doubted!! pacquiao will catch him up! because mayweather is a more of a "defense fighter" , a hit and run guy! he cannot run if ur opponent is like PAC.. the same way when u put PAC at 140 the same thing will happen.. i'm also a fan of PBF.. and i saw floyd previous fight! his style is no match for PAC.. PAC already fought a guy like PBF! that was chachai sasakul a guy from THailand.. first 5 rounds he did like floyd did! hit and run style. but what happen there in the 6- 7 rounds he cant run already bec. PAcman already backing him up.. bec the guy is already tired! not because his tired of running but because he was hit and his speed and power already gone! try to look that in YOUTUBE "pacquiao vs sasakul" u'll see what i mean... what i'm saying is pacquiao already fought all types of boxer.. a jab fighter, a slugger, and a fighter with technical skill like floyd.but PBF never fought a guy like PAC... for example roy jones vs tarver.. roy jones has the same style with PBF... and tarver also have similar style of PAC and look what happen when tarver forcing roy jones to slug-fest.. roy jones can't think. because u cant think if your opponent is throwing a lot of punches. what happen he was knock out.. thats why PAC is the king of P4P.
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 08:50:51 PM
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arnold sasotona:
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Pac is the best boxer at this moment. Putting him in no.1 spot for P4P is good for boxing . What comes first in ur mind if u heard the name Pacman.Of course ur correct His dare devil and kamikaze attack earn him the sympathy not only in the Phils.but also around the world..and one thing more he beat all the candidate for P4P like barrera & morales.when u watch boxing u want to see not just only action but ofcourse blood or somebody lying in the canvass to satisfy ur desire..Pac is the man ur searching...PBF is a complete fighter but not good finisher why because he afraid to be hit..or i guess his "balls"is not around him..Pac is the best period..
Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 09:27:36 PM
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bolitas_boys:
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NO FEAR!!!! Does PBF knows the meaning of this? I don't think so.... HISTORY will both judge them. As a fan, I want to see a fighter who puts everything on the line. With a mindset of putting his opponent to his ass just like TYSON did. That excites everybody.!!! And that's PACMAN the best P4P today.
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 01:11:20 AM
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jim_borough:
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We’re talking about the #1 P4P “BOXER” of “PRESENT TIME” here. The criteria should be the quality of the last 5 fights and the quality of the previous opponents.
You can have the best skills in boxing but if you choose to fight lesser opponents, what’s the use of your skills? Pacquiao is definitely the #1 P4P “BOXER” today. While PBF is the #1 P4P “DANCER” and “RUNNER” today. Yeah, he’s a great boxer as Sugar Ray and Ali was. But we’re talking of the present time here. Fighting an old Oscar dela Hoya can’t put him into higher greatness. Pacquio equates to excitement while PBF seems to bore the viewers. The 3 round – 9 minutes Pacquiao – Morales III was much greater than the 12 round PBF-Baldomir fight. It could even be greater than all the boxing fights in the past 9 months combined. PBF had his share of spot in the #1 ranking. It's time for the PACMAN to grab that seat.
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 01:21:56 AM
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Viel_mervic:
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I agree with lesandkathleen. Pac was dominated by JMM in their last fight. But remember, it was on 2004! Almost 3 years have past, both fighters had good fights. Also, think about this: Pac was beaten by EM, the 'mexican great', while JMM was beaten by a boxer like Chris John (who?). Yet JMM only have beaten average fighters (Salido, Polo, Jandaeng, Jaca) unlike Manny who defeated my fave, the hard-working and respectful Oscar Larios, and twice of Morales. Hehehe.. And comparing the improvement of Pac and JMM, hmm.. I don't know if lesandkathleen will agree with me (of course not, your one-sided mind won't be turned around even with the facts!) but Pac now has the right hook and sturdy defense, but JMM only managed to improve his counter punches (that's his best right?). Still, it will only be settled when these two warriors face once more to silence all boxing afficionados like me. But let me tell you, Pac and JMM are the best SFeatherweights to date. Thanks and God bless to all!
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 01:52:57 AM
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I would like to react to the post of Mr. Rudy. You speak as if you\'re on the ring that night (Pacquiao-Marquez fight). How can you be so sure that Manny\'s left hand was not hurt that time and it was just a BS excuse? Manny addmitted that to the reporters after the fight. Marquez was lucky because Pacquiao\'s right hand was still non existent during that time otherwise Pacquiao will knock him out in 3-4 rounds. Only a fool would believe that Marquez can beat Manny Pacquiao today. Manny has evolved from a one-dimensional fighter into an almost complete fighter. He keeps on improving after each fight. How about Marquez? He lost to a certain Chris John in Indonesia.His camp is insisting that he was robbed of a decision but many boxing analysts don\'t think so. Another thing, do you know the worst BS excuse in boxing history? It\'s Marquez refusing to fight Pacman in the US for $750,000 purse saying it\'s not enough but agreeing to fight a certain Chris John in Indonesia for $30,000 only with a belt at stake. THAT\'S THE WORST BOXING DECISION I KNOW. He\'s just too shy to admit that he chickened out when PACMAN offered him a rematch years ago.Now he wants a taste of Pacman? It\'s very clear that he\'s just after the purse. He can get it but at the expense of PACMAN knocking him down and sending him to retirement just like what happened to Morales. If you cant seem to appreciate the power of Pacquiao, try to watch again Pacquiao vs Barrera. Who decided to stop the fight? It was Barrera’s trainer who embraced Barrera and waived to the referee to stop the fight. Pacquiao made the “Baby-faced assassin” looked like a baby being embraced by his daddy. Mmmm. That was a very
humiliating experience for Barrera, a future Hall of Famer. Watch also Pacquiao – Morales III. Erik refused to continue fighting while I think he still can. He may be right in saying that there’s no point in continuing the fight since he’s already a beaten man.
But it’s an act of cowardice on his part. First time he was KO\'d, he saied that he didn\'t feel the power of Pacquiao\'s punch. Ask him now and he\'ll tell you the opposite. A future Hall of Fame fighter should not quit any fight (even if he know’s there’s zero probability left in beating his opponent). Take note this two are MEXICAN BOXING LEGENDS who suffered the same fate in the hands of Pacquiao.
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 02:15:44 AM
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Lou D. Filips:
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MP is my pick to be the no.1,better yet let's ask Bob and Oscar who will be their pick.Keep it up Sir Larry Merchant-boxing wont be the same without you.
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 03:09:35 AM
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BOGS (BNG?):
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Like everyone else who believes that "BOXING" is not just about skills it must also be w/ heart and that the #1 P4P boxer must not be just someone who is undefeated , he must also give the best that he can to prove his power, so i do believe that Manny "PACMAN" Pacquiao is P4P's # 1. When Manny Fights evryone stops to watch bec everyone knows that it will be exciting and not boring!
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 04:20:26 AM
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dg8t:
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p4p #1 MANNY PACMAN PACQIUO dont forget the logo mate((NO FEAR)) does pbf have dat nope pbf is fearfull of it so sorry ur #11 on my list go manny show NO FEAR !!!!
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 04:57:42 AM
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blah:
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anyone who said that manny is a flawed fighter is right...but, you could'nt see why he does that..he knows he has flaws, but if you ever see him train when he was still a flyweight or bantamweigth, his flaws are his strengths...he lures his opponents and let them think that he has a flawed balance, but did you evr saw him knock down when he was out of balance?both of his legit knock downs were punches, while the other one has got to do with weigth problems...and who evr said that he should move up to weight to know how great he is, don't know nothin....it's all about how hard you fought and fighting toe 2 toe...i respect pbf....but when you say p4p, it's all about how complete a fighter is even if he's just an average in a specific category....
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 07:25:45 AM
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rudy:
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@antoine, I'll admit it - that was a stupid and probably one of the most ignorant moves on Marquez to not take the rematch, cuz right after that he loses to John for $30k and falls off the boxing map. What I am saying is that it will probably work out for him in the long run bc now he has fought his way back into the spotlight of the featherweights, and since his performance against Manny was alot better than the beating Barrera took, he he might be cashing in more than $750k. I didnt say it was a smart move on his part. Pacman tried to shoot left hands all night against Marquez, but he got countered every time after the 1st rd, watch the fight again - Manny is trying to shoot lefts all night just like he did in the 1st round, but he figured him out after 3 mins. Marquez is a technician in the ring - the only true counter puncher Manny has fought, and he got beat up that night - Marquez would adjust to Manny new style, which seems no different than before except for 1 new punch besides his right jab-straight left combo. That's why PBF would beat Manny at 130, bc he was the best there, and why Marquez would beat him in a rematch - because they box.
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 08:13:12 AM
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Rolly:
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PACMAN......period
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 10:58:57 AM
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Captain Barbell:
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Boxing will be dead if all the boxers will be like PBF.
Saturday Dec 30, 2006 08:01:51 AM
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igcaster:
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pacman is still number 1 no matter what.
Tuesday Jul 31, 2007 04:05:04 AM
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ian:
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PACMAN is the man yuou are one of the hro of our country.. kkep it up more power
Saturday Oct 13, 2007 06:15:00 AM
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ricardo:
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Manny pacman proved number 1 pound for pound fighter bcoz all mexican great boxers "rest in peace"
Sunday Jul 6, 2008 08:13:22 AM
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jiu:
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mayweather , good flashy fighter, undefeated.but boring and annoying.
manny , a legendary active boxer, most entertaining boxer ever.
Saturday Mar 21, 2009 11:04:43 PM
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Rashid:
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Mayweather will lose to Pacquiao like dela Hoya did. He wont be able to concentrate on the fight because of fear. He'll be afraid to punch cause it will give Pacman an opening an opportunity. His shoulder blocking wont work cause Pacman can shift easily. Has styles and techniques not found in boxing books. Just by hearing the name "Pacquiao" he is already terrified. He's like a nightmare for him. He cant sleep well at night until he beats Pacquiao to prove the world his no.1. He wouldnt know what Roach and Pacquiao are up to next strategically. Pacquiao is a fearless warrior, a hero to his people fighting for honor not just money. An executioner. Remember how many punches he can throw and how many rounds he can last. During the fight the crowd will chant for the Pacman. Because nobody gives boxing fans excitement like he does. Mayweather should retire again before he fights Pacquiao if he wants to remain unbeaten. Every boxer has his match and Pacquiao is born to beat him and teach him humility. Pacquiao is an example of how a sportsman should be.
Saturday Sep 26, 2009 09:01:12 AM
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2009 Reader Of The Year Weighs In On Legacies Of Pacquiao And Mayweather
"Pacquiao has proven....in the ring... time and time again that he is the greatest of this time. He has earned his respect. He begs for nothing. He is a man content with his growth, his family and his achievements. A man the world has now turned it's eyes to behold. Floyd Mayweather is not even close in stature. He may possess the greatest skills but he is not the Face of Boxing today. Google Manny Pacquiao. There are 20 million searches. Google Floyd. There are 6.5 million. Look at the NYTimes, the Wall Street Journal and Time. Count how many words were used these past years to mention Floyd Mayweather. Then count the words still being printed about Manny. And keep counting. As I've said many times, Floyd has been too clever by half. He has short changed his public.....and has out-smarted himself. Manny will fight but a few more times. Enjoy it while you can. He is an all time great pugilist. Floyd, with all of his remarkable skills lack the will to be truly great in the biggest sense of the word. His legacy will look more like Holmes that Ali. He has earned it." ---November is half-way gone, but we don't need to keep counting ballots. It's a landslide. Fe'Roz has won the 2009 Reader of the Year award. His comments add to the website immeasurably, and he epitomizes the thoughtful, respectful, educated fan of pugilism we strive to cater to at TSS. Congrats, Fe'Roz, and please accept my thanks for being the valued member of this community that you are. Sincerely, Editor Mike
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