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Tuesday Nov 21, 2006

Well, not only is Pac-Man one of the best fighters in the world – and getting better with every fight – he's also one of the most exciting. He comes to fight, asserts himself in the ring, and swings for the knockout on every punch.

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Is Manny Pacquiao Mr. Pound-For-Pound?

By Matthew Aguilar

Is Manny Pacquiao the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing?

Maybe.

In the wake of "Pac-Man's" brilliant destruction of Erik Morales last week in Las Vegas, there are those who are more impressed by Pacquiao's knockout of "El Terrible" than Floyd Mayweather's decision over Carlos Baldomir on Nov. 4.

I'm one of them. And, as "Manny Pacquiao" pointed out in response to my last column praising Pac-Man (likely not the real Manny Pacquiao), I'm the guy who said the Filipino was, ahem, "running out of time" back in January.

Yeah, I was wrong. Hmm. How can I make it up to you, Pac-Man? By putting you at the top of my pound-for-pound list, perhaps?

Let's examine.

Mayweather, the man generally recognized as the best fighter in boxing, has beaten a wider array of world-class fighters than Pacquiao. Everyone from Genaro Hernandez to Diego Corrales to Jose Luis Castillo to DeMarcus Corley to Baldomir. Those fighters represent four weight divisions, three of which he has virtually cleaned out. And he has reigned as a champion, and an elite fighter, for nine years.

But Pacquiao's domination of two of the greatest fighters of his generation – Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera – may be more impressive. And the way he did it – by brutal knockout – is much more entertaining than Mayweather's standard boxing clinics.

Take the Mayweather victory over Baldomir.

Please.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd did what he was supposed to do. He outclassed a lesser opponent. He boxed neatly and used his physical advantages – like speed and quickness – to win an easy decision.

Ho-hum.

To say that excitement was lacking at the end of the fight is to say that Butterbean is overweight. Simply, it was next-to-dreadful.

And Mayweather wondered why people were booing. Hmm. If they wanted a waltz, they would have gone to the senior citizens center.

Floyd's post-fight interview with Larry Merchant had more drama and excitement than the fight. For $49.95, that sure didn't make me happy. And Mayweather's performance sure wasn't as dominant as could have been. Or should have been.

Baldomir, who is slow as ketchup, actually landed on Mayweather, who appears to be more vulnerable at welterweight. Meanwhile, "Pretty Boring's" punch is almost nonexistent. And he's a tad slower than he ever was at junior welterweight, lightweight or junior lightweight.

Despite a near shutout, Mayweather-Baldomir was more competitive than it should have been. Now, competitive does not necessarily translate to thrilling.

Which it certainly was not.

Baldomir was big and strong. But he sure didn't offer Mayweather anything technically that should have given him problems. He presented Mayweather with a predictable, straight-head, unimaginative, orthodox style. Mayweather should have looked like Sugar Ray Robinson. He should have shined like military shoes.

He didn't. Yawn.

What would Sugar Ray Leonard have done to an opponent so completely outclassed? Remember, it was Mayweather who claimed that he could whip Sugar Ray, had the two fighters competed in the same era.

The Baldomir fight had to make you laugh at that assertion.

And, maybe it's no fault of Mayweather's, but his body of work doesn't compare with Leonard's. There are good fighters on his resume, but no great ones. Leonard took care of Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler – all lock Hall-of-Famers.

It's arguable whether Mayweather would have stayed in the ring with one or any of that foursome.

And, beyond that, Leonard fights were never dull. Okay, there was one, a 10th round knockout of Larry Bonds in 1981. But that was it. If Sugar Ray was presented with a less-talented opponent, he generally steamrolled them in spectacular fashion.

Pete Ranzany. Ayub Kalule. Bruce Finch. They were all destroyed.

Mayweather opts to put us, and not his opponents, to sleep, whether it’s against Carlos Hernandez or Carlos Rios or Baldomir. Sugar Ray brought excitement.

Pretty Boy brings dreams of blue unicorns flying through the air amidst stardust and cute little angels. Then you wake up and hear him proclaiming that, if Oscar De La Hoya wants some, he'll "tax that a--, too."

What's on SportsCenter?

So what does all of this have to do with Pacquiao?

Well, not only is Pac-Man one of the best fighters in the world – and getting better with every fight – he's also one of the most exciting. He comes to fight, asserts himself in the ring, and swings for the knockout on every punch.

Compare that to Mayweather, who walks to the ring in a Roman gladiator outfit and "Philthy Rich Records" on his waistband, and backpedals for 12 rounds.

If excitement and drama and a mammoth following have anything to do with it, it's Pac-Man in a landslide.

Further, Pacquiao has beaten Morales twice, Barrera once and drew with Juan Manuel Marquez in a fight that most people thought he won.

So, should Pac-Man be at the top?

Probably not yet. We'll have to wait until after May 5, when Mayweather is scheduled to defend his newly-won welterweight title against De La Hoya, who will present Mayweather with some problems. And, hopefully, make an exciting fight with a fighter who doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Mayweather-De La Hoya will also be a fight that will go far in determining Mayweather's place in the pound-for-pound rankings, and in history. Because, for the first time, he is facing an opponent who is not only big and strong, but has the talent and hand speed to compete with him.

Then, if De La Hoya wins, or if Mayweather looks bad, Pacquiao may be boxing's new pound-for-pound king.

Until then, here goes. A pound-for-pound list, as of Nov. 21, 2006:

1. Floyd Mayweather: Still the king of the mountain, but his reign is becoming shaky.

2. Manny Pacquiao: His knockout of Morales Saturday was frightening. Does Barrera stand a chance?

3. Winky Wright: Slips a notch because of Pacquiao's performance against Morales, and his tame final round vs. Jermain Taylor.

4. Jermain Taylor: Getting better with each fight. Could be #1 by this time next year.

5. Bernard Hopkins: No one believes he's really retired. But retirement is better than fighting Oleg Maskaev.

6. Marco Antonio Barrera: Still a master craftsman, but those boxing skills may be useless against a whirlwind like Pacquiao.

7. Ricky Hatton: Not sure where to rate dormant "Hitman." But, he is obviously a better junior welterweight.

8. Jose Luis Castillo: His reputation has taken some abuse, but he is still one of the best. Showdown with Hatton would be spectacular.

9. Rafael Marquez: The hardest puncher in boxing needs a big fight.

10. Joe Calzaghe: A showdown with either Hopkins, Taylor or Wright would tell us more about this very good fighter.

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elias:  I beg to disagree. p4p rating should not only be based on skill, athletism and over-all record but more importantly, on the excitement he raises, agressiveness he displays in the ring, degree of destruction he inflicts upon the opponent and lastly, the raw courage to fight anyone on his path. And this should be based on their more recent fights. Mayweather maybe p4p then but based on his more recent bouts, he should be a distant second to pacman. The quality of opponent is also a very crucial gauge.
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 09:04:42 PM
Star:  Manny Pacquiao is the best boxer of all time and pound for pound champion..no one is greater than him...(PERIOD)....Floyd Mayweather is very lousy and boring.he should retire soon!
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 09:24:33 PM
bk:  The knockout WAS frightening but don't forget -- Morales was a shadow of himself and Pacman was supposed to knock him out. I'm sorry, did Star actually say "best boxer of all time"?!
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 09:46:55 PM
rudy:  Sugar Ray Robinson is #1 of all time!!! he knocked people out going backwards!!! that replay of that KO still amazes me every time i see it!!! this guy is truly the best!!!! Star, bet ur filipno, cuz thats a retarded claim - Manny should finish business with Marquez(i do admit marquez backed out once already) but that fight is more interesting that Barrera-PacMan just cuz the 1st fight between them was complete domination by Manny. But the other opponent named for Manny, I am truly excited if Arum is able to put up the Pacquiao-Valero fight. I have read so much about Edwin and his amazing KO power-should be a great one if it happens, plus im curious to see if Valero's KO streak continues bc this is two trains that would be on a collision course......but Mr. Aguilar WTF is up with Hatton at #7 lb4lb??? RIDICULOUS!!! he struggled big time and should have loss to Collazo but got the victory!!!!! Floyd doesnt deserve the credit to be #1, fight Margarito then you have a chance at that claim - another note on Floyd, IF(huge IF) he beats Oscar(which I doubt) he wont get the credit bc of the Roy Jones Jr. path he has taken in his career and beating a past his prime De La Hoya wont help his sorry statement that he should be named in boxing history!! I got B-Hop as the #1 lb4lb, your right about him fighting Maskaev, would be no good.
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 09:49:28 PM
BLIRIO:  Mayweather??who is that???
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 10:47:45 PM
Ian:  I agree with rudy here, but this looks like a modern day list of P4P's right here and not all time. I would rank Sugar Ray Robinson at the top of my all time list though. PBF and DLH should have happened two, three years ago and not now. This will be PBF's toughest test but I do not think he will getthe credibility that he wants as the top fighter. He needs to fight Margarito November next year and that just may convince boxing fans and fellow fighters of his claim.
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 10:52:10 PM
iswarsineger:  let's face it guys, today's most exciting boxer is no other than pacman... it's his time, right? nobody would argue about it. P4P he's d best...
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 11:07:46 PM
jan:  PACQUIAO- this is not just an observation of one sport writer or most of the sport writers internationally. But all the people around the world who for God sake loves boxing so much!!! Pacquiao give all the fans...in the arena, people who payed for the pay per view the most exciting and unanticipated excitement a fan or a viewer could imagine....TELL ME NOW...DOES ANYBODY HERE...REALLY BELIEVE PACQUIAO COULD KO MORALES IN JUST 3RD ROUND...TSK..TSK..I DONT THINK SO...maybe in the late round i believe....but my point is...as a fan...there is no GREATER FEELING than watching a boxer...who always desire to please the millions of people watching him fight....trying to entertain trying to knockdown any opponents he had that night....and not punch here a little bit then RUN the whole night....just like FLOYD "PRETTY BORING" MAYWEATHER!!!.......THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHO IS THE BEST, THE MOST ENTERTAINING, BEST P4P TODAY IN BOXING THAN MANNY PACQUIAO......
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 11:15:35 PM
jan:  PACQUIAO- this is not just an observation of one sport writer or most of the sport writers internationally. But all the people around the world who for God sake loves boxing so much!!! Pacquiao give all the fans...in the arena, people who payed for the pay per view the most exciting and unanticipated excitement a fan or a viewer could imagine....TELL ME NOW...DOES ANYBODY HERE...REALLY BELIEVE PACQUIAO COULD KO MORALES IN JUST 3RD ROUND...TSK..TSK..I DONT THINK SO...maybe in the late round i believe....but my point is...as a fan...there is no GREATER FEELING than watching a boxer...who always desire to please the millions of people watching him fight....trying to entertain trying to knockdown any opponents he had that night....and not punch here a little bit then RUN the whole night....just like FLOYD "PRETTY BORING" MAYWEATHER!!!.......THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHO IS THE BEST, THE MOST ENTERTAINING, BEST P4P TODAY IN BOXING THAN MANNY PACQUIAO......
Tuesday Nov 21, 2006 11:16:00 PM
ogie pascual:  Manny "PACMAN" Pacquiao must be at the top ahead of Mayweather ,this time. He's such very dominating and charismatic and truly an amazing sports hero inside and outside the ring. He electrfies the crowd be it very rich or very poor. I dont mind waiting for hours watching those commercials just to watch him dominate EM. His truly the best today, pound for pound. Pacman should retire in 3 years when he is the undisputed Super feather weight and lightweight maybe. Congrats to him and his handlers.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:20:27 AM
Gab Loren:  Why do you have to wait for May 5? You contradict yourself with each line you write. You said so yourself, Mayweather hasnt beaten anybody that good lately, always settling for beatable opponents, always avoiding the dangerous fighters.... and yeah, his fights are boring! What does Paquiao have to do to be number 1. If Pacquiao was any heavier, Mayweather would avoid him as well. Pac-man Rules!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:25:58 AM
Nandi:  c'mon, let them fight and see what happens ... Mayweather may not be able to weather PacMan's onslaught ... PacMan rains and reigns
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:45:20 AM
yisra'el:  not mentioned to foreign media bout PacMan in Pacquiao-Morales 3... he was suffering toncilitis... he has a 39ºC fever, aching throat and head... he almost backed out because he really was not feeling well... but he sucked it all in for pride and country.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:45:54 AM
johnson:  hell yeah! you can have the all the skills in the world.. but if you cant prove it against best of the best... then its non-sense to talk about something that doesnt have FACTS.. floyd havent done that.. its been 3 yrs.. pac is P4P.. and the way he demolish his opponent is really something, coming from a former flyweight.. ive posted last time.. THE UNLEASING OF THE BEAST come nov. 18, you will be a witness in one of pacs best performance.. and deym im right.. and you know why?? he is an animal when it comes to conditioning.. no one comes close to him.. and what is frieghtening is he just keeps improving.. that is really scary..and reports said he got tonsilitis and 39 degrees fever that night.. whew! PAC IS AN ANIMAL.. long live the new king
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:51:11 AM
ClownfishGames.com:  Rudy, PACMAN-VALERO? Valero's chin is NOT tested as he never lasted fighting for 12 rounds. LOL I'm a filipino! You bet ;-)
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 01:27:49 AM
Sodamn Insane:  The Pacman does not want to be rated no #1 He likes being an underdog . Coach Freddie Roach for the 1st time gave him an A for his last fight against El Terrible and Mr Roach says its only now the Pacman is begining to be well rounded boxer on his way to his prime and still learning. So lets not make the Pacman the no # 1 p4p lets give him a chance to developed and prove himself ...................................................................................................................................................................................................NOT !!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 01:30:16 AM
Digy:  Manny Pacquiao # 1 Pound for pound King.. The reborn Achilles born immortal in the Philippines.. WBC Flyweight Champion at age 19 KO, former IBF super bantamweight champion age 22 KO, Ring Magazine Featherweight Champion age 24 KO and The Grand Finale age 27 KO. Next WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP I PREDICT KO. Well, I guess Valero fighting Pacquiao is non-sense. Valero is a commercial boxer at this time. He need 40+ wins to fight the Immortal Champion. Valero not this time or your NEXT.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 01:37:01 AM
taemo:  November 18 was a storied-fight, a tapestry of brilliance and a masterpiece..
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 01:54:07 AM
ron:  mayweather is a very good fighter, he was able to outclass every opponent that he meets, its very obvious that he has 3 world titles in his name but manny gets the better of them. All of the mexicans which he fought after, all went down and for me that win is much more entertaining and good enough for him to "the best pound 4 pound boxer in this days".....
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:01:19 AM
Ramwell:  Star, you make us Filipinos look bad in the eyes of the boxing community just by your st*pid comments. So if you\'ve nothing good to say just STFU. On topic, I'd say PBF got nothing on SR Leonard. The way he\'s ducking solid fighters these days tells a lot about his knowledge of his own limitations. He\'d be nowhere near as great as the Sugar Ray of the 80\'s. He\'s full of himself and i hope ODLH will bust his mouth and make him realize come May 5 what PBF truly really is... just a fighter with a big mouth.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:02:44 AM
Sugar:  Of course Pacquiao is P4P champ. No other fighter in the world goes out to beat their foes like him. Whilst Mayweather is boxing an old promoter in Oscar, Pacquiao will be knocking out Barrera again or maybe Guzman, Valero. Pacquiao, lets here it for him. Best thing in boxing right now.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:03:17 AM
mi:  No Doubt about it, Pacman is the pound for pound king. After crushing morales in third round.. he is the man.. he deserves to be no. 1, not floyd. barrera vs. pacman II BRING IT ON!!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:17:49 AM
mokong:  no more to say than PACMAN is the BEST to be P4P king.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:22:34 AM
harvey:  Great article! Glad that some people (in addition to maxboxing) put Mayweather's performances into perspective, particularly concerning his claims regarding Ray Leonard. One slight mistake though - the fight with De la Hoya is at 154, presumably meaning FM will vacate his welterweight belt.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:32:00 AM
Pitok:  I'm a Filipino and I disagree with what Star said about Pacman as the best boxer of all times. But i agree about what he said on Floyd "Boring Boy" Mayweather".
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:32:01 AM
scrap\'o\'man:  I think this is just the start for PACMAN. He still needs to prove more (and i can say that he is on the right track). Maybe after some more fights with the likes of Barrera or Marquez then I can truly, with all my heart, say that Manny is p4p king. I admire his heart and talent and I wont help but get excited with his coming fights. Go Pacquiao!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 03:54:14 AM
60425:  those who doubt whether floyd will beat oscar,still doubt floyd's skills.by the way,when pound for pound was 1st started,it was to say if everyone was the same size who'd be the best.mayweather at 130 spanks morales,barrera and outboxes pacquio.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:05:48 AM
turko:  Thanks for the praises to Pacman. I just have a few questions. Why does Pacman's number one status depend on Mayweather's performance? Why not let PBFs status depend on his own performance? Why not install Pac as the number one now and if PBF does good in his fight against ODLH, then maybe, we can put him back at the top. Why is it so hard for you people to give credit to Pacquiao's superiority over the other boxers. Before, you people were waiting for Pac to beat these fighters, because you doubted his abilities. Now that he's done it, youre now waiting for other fighters to deliver their own before you give credit to Pac. Ridiculous and senseless!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:11:47 AM
al:  pacman is the best p4p today as he is scoring knockdown after knockdown. No boxer at this point of time can do what pacman achieved in terms of destroying his quality opponents. as if in chess, pacman is impresively beating super grandmasters with high ELO ratings compared with floyd performance against not that high ELO ratings. if boxers are rated thru their oppositions, no doubt about pacman being the best p4p.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:15:09 AM
warfreak:  i see a nutthugger here ;) just ignore him btw pinoy ako
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:36:34 AM
lemcx:  PACMAN is the best boxer of all time. He should be the #1 Mr. P4P!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:39:07 AM
edna:  hey rudy pacman is number 1, but we filipinos cant be a retarded by claiming one man as great, you can comment but dont humiliate somebody just by not being with your opinion ass....
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 04:48:00 AM
ernzky:  i think that "hit and run" style of floyd M does not qualify him to be at the top of the p4p list. in contrast, the "hit and hit" style of manny P does. just compare how the two handled their respective opponents (carlos B and erik M); which fight was boring and which one was exiting? who fought more courageously? whom of the two commanded the "sweetest" victory? whom of the them is loved (not boooeeed!) by the boxing fans? whom of them is the "real" boxer in terms of fighting an opponent? if not manny, definitely not floyd either!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 05:04:40 AM
ruben:  as of today, i can say that manny pacquiao is the best p4p boxer. no other boxer do what he did inside the ring. so pacman is the best...
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 05:11:01 AM
beebok:  Pac man grows every bout. I rate him #1 because of his power, speed, stamina, and ever improving boxing skills. But most of all, what i love in him is his BIG heart that he puts in the game. He is really focused in his training. He pushes his self to the limit. And all these makes him the most explosive and most exciting boxer of today. If we swap places like MAB or EM was in place of MP, perhaps many boxing analyst would put them in #1 P4P instead of Mayweather. . . As for Mayweather, he lacks courage. He's wasting his talent. Sonner or later he'll lost his speed... what more can he give? EDNA, GOOD POINT THERE AGAINST RUDY. EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO HIS OWN OPINION...EVEN RETARDS LIKE HIM.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 05:17:49 AM
Apple:  Your view is as good as mine. Keep up the goog work Mathew.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 05:46:33 AM
Batista:  p4p manny pacquiao is the best boxer in this time. speed,power,stamina? Manny has these on his side. Well if Manny would be saying, "you aint see nothing yet. hehe
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:05:19 AM
sherwin:  pacman certainly deserves #1 spot in the p4p. floyd is the most useless, listless, most boring, overprotected cherry picking champion in the top of p4p in recent memory. fortunately he is forced to face dlh to show the public he is the best due to public clamor. at least to erase the label fraud. goodluck.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:27:13 AM
groverpower:  without doubt pacquiao. when you think you've seen the best of him, he comes up with something better. he is the complete package both in terms of boxing skills + showmanship... Mayweather is so freakin BORING
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:30:08 AM
med moscare:  manny is p4p king! i'm hoping someday pcman & pretty boy will meet someday in an arranged weight the first goes up higher & the later goes down say 135lbs...! (if its possible) there we can conclude who is the real king p4p! but surely being a filipino im a pacquaio vote....tnx
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:30:59 AM
groverpower:  without doubt pacquiao. when you think you've seen the best of him, he comes up with something better. he is the complete package both in terms of boxing skills + showmanship... Mayweather is so freakin BORING
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:35:09 AM
olympic boy:  if you guys dont want to put pacman #1 p4p be my guest.it's your column anyway & besides all boxing magazines are trying not to put pacman #1.but the most important thing is pacman has wipe out the competition at 126 & 130 lbs.viva pacman "the last man standing".
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:49:54 AM
enrique:  uhm , , im a big fan of all boxers, specially my favorite, PACMAN. i dnt agree that PITY bOY Mayweather is the P4P, he's afraid of baldomir at that fight. he always run after he throw his punch. he AFRAID you know. hahaha PACMAN will be the P4P king....
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:54:01 AM
Bheng:  Pacquaio beat Morales in the third round! What makes it even more interesting is that he was sick with a fever. Back home in RP Pacquaio is the people's champion!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:59:22 AM
christo:  manny is the champ,but try get a sentence out of him in 2 years time that u can understand
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 07:10:29 AM
french connection:  all that floyd mayweather fought are nothing but aging and fading pugs.. he always fight safe matches. remember, jose luis castillo whooped his ass but he won a decision becasue HE is a HBO overrated pet. and jose luis castillo at that time is not as good as he is today. and for MANNY PACQUIAO, he buried alive all the great champions on his division. he will tear apart every fighter you will put in front of him and does everything with pleasure. he is the man. he is no doubt the top P4P. not FRAUD "FAGGET BOY" GAYWEATHER.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 07:24:07 AM
joe:  Pac fever.... He is exciting, but definately not the best. I want everyone to admit that NO ONE thought that morales was going to win. HE WAS SHOT and EVERYONE knew it. It wasn't a surpise that the fight ended early. I don't know why everyone is treating it like the upset of the year or something. And all this bullshit about PBF being boring just started after the baldamir fight, now everyone says he the most boring fighter bla bla bla. Did anyone watch the Gatti fight? That was the best display of combination punching seen in a VERY long time. That wasn't boring, but after one tactical fight everyone changes their tune. Plus as anyone noticed that Pac takes alot of punches and is off balance alot? He is definately the most exciting fighter right now, but certainly not #1
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 07:38:23 AM
joe:  Pac fever.... He is exciting, but definately not the best. I want everyone to admit that NO ONE thought that morales was going to win. HE WAS SHOT and EVERYONE knew it. It wasn\'t a surpise that the fight ended early. I don\'t know why everyone is treating it like the upset of the year or something. And all this bullshit about PBF being boring just started after the baldamir fight, now everyone says he the most boring fighter bla bla bla. Did anyone watch the Gatti fight? That was the best display of combination punching seen in a VERY long time. That wasn\'t boring, but after one tactical fight everyone changes their tune. Plus as anyone noticed that Pac takes alot of punches and is off balance alot? He is definately the most exciting fighter right now, but certainly not #1
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 07:47:15 AM
Vinny Paz:  man havent you guys notice that the only well known fighters mayweather fought are only corrales,judah,gatti,and baldomir, think about it for one sec all the people he fought were brawlers and the only well known boxer he fought was zab judah which eventually gave floyd a bit problems cus zab doesnt have a chin and floyd knew zab didnt have a chin but he couldnt knockout zab which means that he never fought a top class boxer like de la hoya cus all the fighters he ducks are guys who box well plus oscar has more power than floyd and has the talent to beat floyd jus think about oscars record he hasnt benn really beaten when he fought tito he couldve won but was misguided by his trainer and the 1st mosely fight he wasnt well focused plus he was friends with mosely and was alwys beaten by him since they were kids there 2nd fight oscar shouldve one but he got robbed and oscar has more balls then floyd cus when he chalenged hopkins he knew from the moment he saw hopkins that he would lose cus the guy was more bigger and stronger but he still took a dive and fought b-hop even though he knows that he would lose, so floyd sucks, oscars the man, and pacquio should be p4p he dont got to prove nothin he the best mexican killer out there!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 07:52:58 AM
maxi:  you know what!...... no doubt that PACMAN is more greater and superior, THE KING OG POUD FOR POUND! than floyd... PACMAN is a destroyer and FLOYD is a runner, he keeps on running, no aint close fight! like GOLDEN BOY said FLOYD keeps on running, he's affraid., im sure when golden boy and floyd well meet, floyd will experience a brutal TKO!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:15:58 AM
french connection:  how about PACMAN moving up to 138 which he can and FRAUD GAYWEATHER stepping down at 138? who will you put your money??
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:20:37 AM
william u:  i agree pac-man has moved up to #2 in p4p rankings but no way he's #1 over pbf. mayweather did have one boring fight just like de la hoya did against trinidad,and every great fighter has that one boring fight. the bottomline he dominated and won against baldomir and its the same haters that hoped and prayed baldomir won. pac man is great but he is no wear near mayweather in skills and talent. pac man has 3 losses and 2 draws.mayweather is UNDEFEATED period. i remember when everyone knocked de la hoya years ago but everyone needs to shut up give your money and watch the GOLDEN BOY VS PRETTY BOY be the biggest and richest fight in boxing history.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:25:00 AM
william u:  i agree pac-man has moved up to #2 in p4p rankings but no way he\'s #1 over pbf. mayweather did have one boring fight just like de la hoya did against trinidad,and every great fighter has that one boring fight. the bottomline he dominated and won against baldomir and its the same haters that hoped and prayed baldomir won. pac man is great but he is no wear near mayweather in skills and talent. pac man has 3 losses and 2 draws.mayweather is UNDEFEATED period. i remember when everyone knocked de la hoya years ago but everyone needs to shut up give your money and watch the GOLDEN BOY VS PRETTY BOY be the biggest and richest fight in boxing history.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:30:06 AM
o:  pac man is not the no. 1 p4p today nor no.2 he's ony the guy who gives you headache if you would put him in the top spot or give PBF the second slot
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:33:31 AM
william u:  by the way, i do love pac-man but he still has some flaws and if a fading morales can hit him clean then imagine what mayweather would do to him. pac-man is the best super featherweight but if pbf moved down he would knock pac-man out within 3 rounds and everyone deep down knows thats the truth. if you don\'t believe me just go to youtube and watch pbf when he was a lightweight. he makes pac-man look slow. de la hoya at lightweight would have knocked pac-man out within 3 rounds also. i know it sounds like i\'m knocking pac-man but the truth is i love watching him fight.like mayweather, they are first ballet hall of famers period?
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:44:52 AM
Ben T.:  if ever manny pacquiao and floyd mayweather meet at a catch weight of 137lbs. i would bet on manny pacquiao. settle this pound for pound issue once nad for all so you will know who is the man! floyds hit and run will not be a factor against the ferocious manny pacquiao.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:46:20 AM
william u:  i too love pac-man but he just barely passed winky for the #2 spot. there is know way pac-man could beat floyd at any weight. honestly, slow down and stop for a second. mayweather has better skills, he's naturally bigger even if he goes down all the way to 130, he's faster, better defence and actually he does have more power at 130 or 135. you forger, pac-man got knocked out against a cab driver early in his career.also, mayweather has a better chin and more experience. it would be a horrible match-up for pac-man. he would get embarrased?
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:23:19 AM
spuydude:  ummm... isn't mayweather too big for pacman? 1. let him go for barrera first (impressive record with an unfinished business with Manny) 2. then JMM (just to shut critics from both sides) 3. Joan Guzman or Valero
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:40:42 AM
french connection:  okay..the score is the GOLDEN BOY vs GAYWEATHER.. honestly, who do you think will win? GOLDEN BOY might be aging but i bet GAYWEATHER's going to kiss the canvas. if he is the real deal, why didn't he face margarito who confronted him face to face, when his mouth cant even open. haha what a fag. or cotto. or hatton. if castillo will face him again, castillo will beat him just like what happened on their first bout where castillo was robbed by a decision.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:47:21 AM
Matt:  Ben, you're smoking crack if you think that Pacman could beat Mayweather at 137. Floyd's too big, too strong, and too good a boxer. Seriously, Marquez figured Pacman out after two rounds and schooled him for the remaining 10 rounds of their fight. I'd pick Floyd by late rounds KO. That said, I would agree that p4p Pacman is #1. Contrary to the assertions of the author of this article Floyd has not "cleaned out" three of the divisions in which he's fought. He never faced off against the other two lightweight champs and shamelessly ducked Stevie Johnson during his lightweight reign. Seriously, the only legit lightweights he beat were Castillo and Sosa, and the first Castillo win was very debatable. At 140 Mayweather beat Corley (a lower top 10 contender) and Gatti (a top 5 contender, but not the top dog in the division). At welterweight he's beaten Judah (who was coming off an embarassing loss) and Baldomir, who happened to back into the title. He's ducked Margarito and seems completely disinterested in fighting any of the other big welterweights like Cintron or Paul Williams. He cleaned out one division - the junior lightweight division - and that's it. And recently he's fought some pretty suspect opponents. His last 7 opponents aren't going to the hall of fame, and it's questionable whether any of his previous opponents will make it to the HOF either (Genaro Hernandez is a questionable candidate, and Castillo and Corrales despite their great war are even more debatable). Pacman KO'd Morales twice and Barrera once, and both men are LOCKS for the Hall of Fame. Yes Pacman has had a close loss to Morales and a draw (which I thought he lost to Marquez - but again the fight was close), but those were to p4p fighters. Of Pacman's last 8 fights 5 have been against p4p top 10 fighters. Of Floyd's last 8 there isn't even 1 p4p fighter. And if Pacman makes good on Arum's promise to fight Valero, Pacquiao will be doing something Mayweather isn't, taking on a HUGE threat to him in his own weight class.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:48:52 AM
french connection:  honestly, i'd like to see JMM first or barrera. then guzman or valero. after that, juan diaz. lets face reality, PAC and pity floyd cant meet. i just want to see mayweather fight a pound for pound fighter. when he faced corrales and castillo, both are not that good yet and not a pound for pound fighter. mayweather hasnt fought a p4p fighter ever. id like to seee him fight margaro, hatton and cotto. and of course a return bout with castllo. what you think?
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:52:21 AM
french connection:  reality is two cant face each other. the difference is pacman brought down and demolished all the champions in his class. take note, pacman is not that good yet when he faced marquez. imagine what damages he can do now if he faces marquez again. valero is a threat, i\\\'d love to see that. for mayweather, he hasn\\\'t faced a champion caliber fighter. only castillo when castillo isn\\\'t that good yet and robbed by desicion. i\\\'d love to see mayweather fight margarito or cotto. not an aging fighter who doesnt have a belt and a p4p reputation.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 09:59:00 AM
william u:  stop for a second, pac-man barely passes winky for #2. you forget 37 have tried and 37 have failed against mayweather. margarito is to flat footed and floyd would easily school him. its pointless to even argue this. margarito isn't shit. daniel santos beat him. who and what is daniel santos. valero is good but not even close to the opponent mayweather is fighting next. even de la hoya now is better then anyone pac-man has ever fought or will fight in the future.barrera and morales are legends but not even close to the golden boy. the fight may 5th is the biggest in the sport by far and probaly the biggest since hagler vs leonard. their might be a few more. the bottom line is a mega super duper fight happens every 10 to 15 years and we should be blessed that hbo's biggest stars and boxings two most recognized names love or hate are going to fight. will pass 2 million ppv buys and 112 million in gross. pac-man is #2 p4p period. pbf #1 undefeated p4p until beaten. might change may 5th. MIGHT!!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 10:14:46 AM
mockingbird:  Matt: i agree with ben. at 135, manny will beat floyd. the key is power and chin. floyd doesnt hit too hard to shake off manny. the only problem manny has to deal with in fighting floyd will be the latters speed. but when floyd started to get hit, hes done. BTw, the pac has speed too.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 10:40:05 AM
judahben:  the sad part of using skills as the basis for being a p4p is killing boxing as a sport. pbf, calzaghe and klitscho are highly skilled fighters but thier fighting heart is almost none existent. pacman, tyson,duran are very exciting fighters coz they are great warriors and choosed to fight the best. pacman is a real and great fighter way ahead of mayweather.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 10:47:50 AM
Boxing critic:  mayweather #1??? disagree..beat ODLH first..pacquiao should be on top. Reminds me of the good all days of pure boxing, no technically shit just pure heart and fight like theres no tomorrow..no worries, no fear, that IMO should be what boxing is and that is what pacman is showing
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 10:53:34 AM
Mike:  Pacman is the number one man - today. Not yet of all time. That's just too much or too big a claim for now. Anyway, some people are writing in to Philippine papers, PPP or Paquiao for President of the Philipines?
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 11:22:19 AM
TES:  Manny can beat floyd in 135 because he is only 5.8 like morales. He can't avoid from Manny's strong combos as Morales was down and caught by a lot of manny's punches. Those who are saying that Floyd boring mayweather is still a P4P best are not commenting the best but only creating intrigues.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:45:03 PM
JamesBond008:  Pacman is better than Mayweather. He definitely could beat the crap of him if ever they meet. As for the greatest boxer of all time , hell no speaking of Pacman , Dela Hoya , and Mayweather. The young Mike Tyson 1 should be tops, followed by Ali , Rocky and Georgie the Salton griller. Who could beat the young Tyson? No one. Period.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:01:12 PM
behoho:  the pac-man weighed 144 lbs. during the exact fight vs. morales,he was faster, stronger carrying that weight,. with that , it's not that impossible for pacman & pbf to settle the score atop the ring at the 140 lbs. limit, they should bring it on & prove to the world who' the real p4p king! before they retire.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 02:13:28 PM
Sodamn Insane:  Many should not be given the number 1 P4P because the Pacman likes being the underdog even in his last match he was upset and kept reminding boxing fans that Erik Morales will come prepared and is a great boxers. The Pacman does not need to be told how great he is or that he needs a belt . All he knows is how to train hard and when the bell rings try to make everyone happy. How about just the most exciting boxer .!!!!! Freddie Roach believes that Pacman for the !st time is improving and on is almost on his prime and still got alot to learn . Is Freddie Roach Trying to create a monster . Give that title that doesn't mean anything to boxers that talk a big game but only fights oponents that they can beat !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 03:01:59 PM
artipi:  Im not a sports writer or what but i became to be very interested with boxing nowadays because of Manny Pacquiao and the rest of the rising young Filipino boxers, I only have to disagree with one of the guys regarding Pacquiao-Valero fight? Valero? Hes not even close to Manny, he should go past some of the other good fighter in the division before he goes to Manny, he has not yet been tested with some of the big names in the division. In my opinion Barrera is the best for Manny right now, or Marquez. Even Joan Guzman does not stand a chance. Guzman-Valero could be good since the two has contrasting style, hard hitting vs. quickness. P4P I think Manny is No.1 , bec of course im a Filipino. Hahaha
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:07:19 PM
artipi:  Manny should get a fight with Barrera the soonest. Barrera is also battling against time, and it will be again an excuse for him once he get beaten for the secon time. They should be in their peak if they must meet, no point on putting them in the ring if the other one nothing to give. Another year passes and Barrera might be done. Valero can join the long queue.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:13:08 PM
ryan molina:  incomparable..... there's really no dispute here! pretty boy floyd is the # 1 pound for pound "runner" at the present. pacman, on the other hand, is the best pound for pound "boxer" at the present. i guess one can never compare an apple from an orange.
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 06:27:23 PM
Adrian:  I'm sorry Floyd Mayweather/pretty boy Jr. whatever.... But boxing would be better without you!!! you're making the welterweight division a disgrace! You never gave the fans the worth of their time and money (that's if you ever had any fans). On the other hand, pacquiao will beat mayweather anytime! But I think that pacquiao won't reach the welterweight division. Well, that's good for the cowardly Mayweather. All you prospective fighters going up against pacman, the best way to do is back-off!
Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 08:07:48 PM
william u:  i really do respect everyones opinion but please use commen sense when responding. i too love pac-man but honestly please don't really think he can beat mayweather. pac-man 3 losses 2 draws.pbf UNDEFEATED period. mayweather would have every advantage if they fought speed,reflexes,footwork,defence,experience,boxing skills,talent and yes even power at 140 or under. also, chin-pac-man got knocked out by two bums and please don't say margarito because he's slow,flat footed and i'll call daniel santos to whip him again.my point, pac and pbf are hall of famers but pbf is #1 p4p and pac is #1 most exciting. if pbf loses may 5th then you might have a valid point but are you sure you even want to put pac at #2 ahead of Winky?
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 12:13:03 AM
Cheeze:  Floyd!!! What the heck are you doing posting as william u? Do us a favor and come down to 130 and face pacman ok? :-)
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 12:19:02 AM
Rommel:  Disregarding the weight, suggest any active boxer today who would dare stand toe to toe with PacMan!!!
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 01:20:47 AM
french connection:  pacman - freitas will be a good bout.. but it will not happen in 2 years.. also juan diaz might get a before or after freitas.. both are big challenges for pacquiao.. and unlike mayweather, pacman will surely stand toe to toe with these fighters.. anyone agree?
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 05:30:15 AM
mockingbird:  william: those 2 kos the pac suffered were flukes. one of those was due to weight drain. the pac was a totally different fighter now. slugger & master craftsman barrera was not able to shake off pac. I believe that floyd at 135 would be beaten by pac in late rounds. he can run but he can;t hide, once the pac started to connect those monster punches, PBF is done by the next 3 rounds. (pac would be an underdog against pbf. but heck, pac loves to be an underdog. and even loves more to KO fighters with superior skills!)
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 07:37:31 AM
french connection:  yeah.. william u is pbf's boyfriend..haha its not about the record, its about being a real fighter.. cheeze is right, regardless the weight, no one can withstand pacman..
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 07:45:31 AM
william u:  i like the bs jokes but yes my favorite two fighters are de la hoya and mayweather. I watched them both when they were amatures and in the olympics? i do believe their are fluke losses and ko's but 2 come on.btw,you forget he has one more loss plus two draws. he was also out boxed by morales in the first half of the their second fight. pac-man is great i have put him #2 p4p just like ring magazine is on their new jan.2nd issue. pac-man will be on the cover and it asks the question is pac-man challenging pbf for p4p supremacy. he does but pbf is still #1 until he loses. i believe if the golden boy is the first to beat him he should have a great argument for p4p king. pac-man has beat two legends but neither as good as the golden boy. May 5th will be the biggest and richest fight in boxing history. love or hate them you better be happy that the two biggest names in boxing will save the sport and pac-man will never be on their level by the mainstream public. will give a prediction later and french connection and cheeze will be the first ones buying the fight?
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 01:29:07 PM
mockingbird:  FYI: pac first ko lost was when he was fighting at 106. he failed to meet the weight limit as he came in 113, so he was forced to wear heavier gloves. pac settled at 112 and went on to capture the title. his second ko lost came on the 2nd defense of his 112 title. again he failed to meet the weight limit, and he even practically killed himself while trying to meet so. those were flukes, buddy. pac now was absolutely not the pac of 106 and 112. he was an entirely diffrent fighter now. well, he made the most illustrious fighters in his weight reach kissed the canvass. the pac has never been stopped since. he has tested his chin against the most seasoned slugger. pbf who hit like my little sister doesnt have what it would take to deck pac at 135. and once he started to get hit, he wouldnot be running long. (they say, floyd will meet ODLH sometime next year. Hell! thank goodness somebody could now teach PBF what boxing really is. tell ur hero to watch for the left hook, its very much pacs' in its class. ODLH within 6 rds)
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 04:00:31 PM
william u:  i understand how trying to make a weight limit can affect a fighter.bth, i believe thats what has happened to morales in their last two fights and with common sense you know this mockingbird. i still believe pac-man would have won the fight because morales would try to trade with him.fyi,i won't knock de la hoya because like i said mayweather and him are my favorite fighters. that fight is as 50/50 as it gets.i hate knocking pac-man but you need to be realistic and not be biased because your a fan. if morales could outbox pac- man imagine what pbf would do.mayweather has every advantage at 135 and even power. you forget he knocked corales down 5 times and made gatti quit. they both are not as good as pac p4p but they have better chins.put pbf back at 135 and he gets another huge weapen back and thats power.watch youtube.the bottomline pbf #1 p4p,pac #2,and winky#3. UNDEFEATED vs 3 losses 2 draws
Thursday Nov 23, 2006 07:13:23 PM
MOCKINGBIRD:  i find it funny that people wre trying to cite records to boost certain claim. wilfredo gomez who held the longest ko win streak among champs in history was koed when he met his match. but certainly, pbf was no gomez. & i find it even funnier that people were holding up loses that happened many years ago to understate the ability of a boxer. im not saying that pac will feast on pbf & eventually beat him. PBf would likely be a 5-1 fave against manny. all im saying that manny has already tested his chin, power & heart against the best in his weight reach. and when manny started to connect with his monster left, pbf would then know what defeat is
Friday Nov 24, 2006 06:27:54 AM
Jerome:  i dis agree for those hu are saying that manny can KO maywhether Jr. maybe a 50/50
Friday Nov 24, 2006 08:07:34 AM
Leon:  Floyd and Pac Man will never happen, unless Pac Man comes up to 147. Floyd's going up to 154 to face ODLH, so it's not even worth discussing them meeting anywhere below 147. It would be nice though! The real question is what's the breaking point for Pac Man's breathtaking power? 135, 140? He'll be a different fighter at 147, even though that's about the weight he entered at against El Terrible. Floyd wins this one.
Saturday Nov 25, 2006 09:12:37 AM
chris:  mayweather has to be #1 - he hasn't even been in a close fight since castillo and he beat castillo twice. and mayweather should have little trouble with de la hoya.
Saturday Nov 25, 2006 06:06:42 PM
rajah:  tsik!sik!tsik!william u ,try to near PBF with you and convince him to fight PACMAN in 138 lbs,youre PBFgot ko in 3rounds then go with your favorite PBF and have a buisness in parlor you both!PERIOD!!tsik!tsik!tsik!
Thursday Nov 30, 2006 12:39:00 PM
james bond:  pretty floyd is d greatest dancer and runner in boxing history!!!!. afraid to face opponent...run samson run!!!!
Tuesday Apr 24, 2007 09:44:13 PM
stupid decision:  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- may 5 Of all the boxers who had been listed number one in the pound for pound in boxing history, PBF is the least credible and the most boring to watch. What a runner! He is winning by running away, my goodness! He doesn't deserved to be called a pound for pound king! thats a big question? he always run and run and run oscar give the best fight floyd is boring running like a chiken
Sunday May 6, 2007 06:41:14 AM
jeremia:  the dream macth
Saturday Dec 6, 2008 10:11:29 PM
vince:  Running away from an opponent is very different from ducking and weaving. Track and field champion Mayweather not only runs and runs! His mouth runs non-stop too! How could this race-runner have been considered to be a contender for the p4p in the first place? And when he fights, he inserts his head between his shoulders, appearing like a headless chicken, which is exactly like he is. Phew!
Friday Apr 24, 2009 08:01:47 AM

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