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Friday Aug 25, 2006

Women’s boxing is much like women’s basketball. When compared to their male counterparts it seems to lack something. In basketball it’s the dunk. In boxing it’s the knockout.

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Female Pro Boxers Want Longer Rounds and Knockouts

By David A. Avila

Perhaps one of the more clever female fighters on the planet, Layla McCarter, has stepped into another challenge: trying to change the women’s fight game.

The Las Vegas resident has been lobbying various boxing sanction organizations and boxing commissions such as the Nevada State Athletic Commission to make changes in female bouts including changing the length of boxing rounds from two minutes to three minutes.

“Women train just as hard, if not harder than men,” said McCarter, a two-time world champion. “It’s not as if we can’t fight three minutes. I don’t understand the rule.”

Even in amateur boxing the female boxers fight only two minutes.

“It makes the fights faster,” said Sue Fox, a former professional boxer who now heads www.womensboxing.com a popular female boxing site on the web. “They know they don’t have a lot of time to waste so the women come out fast.”

McCarter feels the fights become too amateurish with women flailing away with little skill or precision.

“They punch without even looking,” McCarter says. “That’s why so many people are turned off by women’s boxing.”

The debate for longer rounds has been ongoing for decades. The more skillful fighters and harder punchers favor longer rounds.

Christy Martin, one of the most famous knockout punchers in female boxing, made a jump into another echelon because of her ability to put opponents to sleep with a single punch.

But not many female boxers have that kind of power in their punches. Many need time to wear an opponent down before knocking them out.

“I definitely feel with three-minute rounds I would have a lot more knockouts,” said Elena “Baby Doll” Reid, who fights for the WIBA flyweight world title on Aug. 31 in Lake Tahoe. “There have been times if I just had 20 more seconds I know I could have stopped the other girl.”

Women’s boxing is much like women’s basketball. When compared to their male counterparts it seems to lack something. In basketball it’s the dunk. In boxing it’s the knockout.

“Everybody likes the knockout puncher,” said Derek Smith, a Los Angeles boxing magazine writer. “It’s like watching two cars collide. People just want to see damage.”

Jill Diamond, a spokesperson for the women’s WBC sanctioning body that began including women boxing two years ago, agrees that female boxers have the ability to fight three-minute rounds but would like a boxing commission to approve it.

Another change McCarter and other female prizefighters would like is the length of world championship fights. Now women only fight 10 rounds while men fight 12 rounds in title fights. It also means less money for women because the length of a fight dictates the amount of money paid to fighters.

“I know people are always concerned about women getting hurt,” said Mia Rosales St. John, a two-time world champion who has fought six 10-round fights in her career. “But the longer the better for me. I don’t care if we fight 15 rounds. I’m ready for it. Besides, it means more money.”

Young pros like Kaliesha West, who fights out of Moreno Valley and whose style reminds many of a Sugar Shane Mosley, prefers three minute rounds and 12 round fights.

“People always told me I had a pro style,” says West, 18, a former national amateur champion. “I like going for knockouts.”

Veterans of the sport have contended for years that female boxing needs a boost of energy.

“Sometimes you just run out of time,” said Chevelle Hallback, the four-time world champion. “You can feel the knockout is just one punch away then the bell rings.”

McCarter feels the two-minute round borders on discrimination.

“It’s just people saying we’re not good enough to fight an extra minute,” McCarter says. “If it is ever changed, you’ll see the more skillful fighters winning by knockout. It’s all about skills.”


Staples Center fight card

In less than two weeks James “Lights Out” Toney will be stepping in the ring against hard-hitting behemoth Samuel Peter of Nigeria. The fight card takes place on Sept. 2, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. The winner was supposed to fight Oleg Maskaev-Hasim Rahman winner. But that seems to have evaporated when Maskaev knocked out Rahman in the 12th. 

Also on the same card will be IBF featherweight titleholder Eric Aiken defending against California sensation Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero. For tickets or information call (818) 817-8001.


Fights on television

Friday ESPN2, 6 p.m., Sergio Mora (18-0) vs. Eric Regan (26-2).

Friday, Telefutura, 10 p.m., Ishe Smith (17-1) vs. Gilbert Venegas (9-3-2).

Friday, Telemundo, 11:30 p.m., Carlos Maussa (20-3) vs. Manuel Garnica (22-5).

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Mick:  I have no stomach for female boxing, Mr. Avila, but your writing almost makes it palatable to me. Good article.
Friday Aug 25, 2006 09:16:18 PM
Dean:  >> “Women train just as hard, if not harder than men" Huh? Are you kidding me? Add this to the list of delusions that female boxers enjoy. I'm tired of the politically correct bullcrap that helps perpetuate the myth that female boxers are even remotely comparable to male boxers. Female boxing is just another invention by women who are unhappy that they are not men. The best female boxer on the planet would be knocked out in less than one round by virtually any unranked, run-of-the-mill male boxer. Women's boxing is a joke and always will be and those who say different are just pandering to the PC crowd (or are seriously deluded).
Friday Aug 25, 2006 11:52:27 PM
William A Major:  you guys have some problems with women obviously . im no feminazi lover but they have as much right to fight as any guy does.ive trained women and men and prefer the women because they are more dedicated and listen a hell of alot better than most guys.if ten guys walked into my gym,6 months later there'd be 6 left if i was lucky.the women would all be their still. they should be doing 3 minute rds like the men. they train the same they should fight the same.
Saturday Aug 26, 2006 12:19:47 PM
Dean:  William, Points taken, but if you notice what you said has nothing to do with boxing skill. So they listen better - so what? So they are more dedicated - so what? So they have a right to fight - so what? We're talking about inherent ability. They are vastly inferior to male boxers and ALWAYS WILL BE because they are female and will never be on par physically with a male fighter. They are NOT the same. You've obviously been brainwashed by the PC crowd. We're not talking about sexism here - we're talking about human physiology. It's a simple matter of physical attributes. Men are stronger than women. Men have higher levels of testosterone and bigger muscles. Just look at virtually any sport where size and speed are the main components and you will see that 99.9% of the time, male athletes are superior. Not because women are lesser as people, but simply because men are by and large stronger and faster. I love women. But female boxing is a joke. Put Layla Ali in any run of the mill boxing gym and she would likely get her ass kicked by most any guy in there who had even an average amount of skill (for a guy). I say let them do 3 minute rounds. All you'd see is even sloppier fighting as their stamina goes down the tubes.
Saturday Aug 26, 2006 01:45:52 PM
Isaiah:  Dean, you make a lot of sense man. If women want to box, fine, let them box, but I'm not going to pay to see it. For example, any average man boxer within a weight class or two of any female fighter on the planet would most likely destroy her. In all of sports history, in any sport, a man would beat the woman nearly every time. I'm not talking polictical correct brainwashing crap from the media, television, etc. I'm speaking the truth. It's too bad Laila Ali got the wrong chromosone when she was conceived to make me care about and/or pay to see what she does, but her daddy, she is not. Laila and female fighters like Regina Halmich, and a handful of female fighters could interest me... but lets just say boxing isn't it. Let me put it like this. I'd rather watch a 52 year old, overweight Larry Holmes outpoint a younger, but also overweight Eric Butterbean a few times in a row then see Laila Ali beat the stuffing out of Christy Martin for close to 4 rounds. Unless they start mud wrestling or something, I and most of my male comrades wouldn't bother watching any female sport for more then 10 seconds. What's the most a female boxer has ever been paid for a fight? Wasn't that Laila Ali, getting about 100,000 grand once? Didn't Oscar De La Hoya once make 30 millon dollars for getting knocked out by Bernard Hopkins? Unless I'm mistaken, that's about the record paydays in men and women's boxing. The elite group of men boxers don't make 7 and 8 figure paydays with noone watching now do they?! Sure, the women can lobby for all kinds of things and box if they want, but don't expect most men, ( that's including the hyprocroties who scream for equality of everything to pay to see it or give a crap in, anyway!) Women are equal with men mentally, but not physically Got that hyprocrities?!
Sunday Aug 27, 2006 02:20:44 AM
Dean:  Isaiah - right on. \n There are just two words that might entice me to watch female fighters: \n "Foxy Boxing" \n 'nuff said.
Sunday Aug 27, 2006 04:35:03 PM
Inlägg:  It is not breaking news that women and men are built differently, which you of course can see in sports results. Thus, Female Boxing is another Sweet Science. Why compare at all? Let the boxers box and the talkers talk. If someone has a passion - go for it! No matter the sex.
Monday Aug 28, 2006 07:27:08 AM
whitney:  i wanna become a women boxer im 19 and i have the heat for it i use to get kick out of school all the time for fighting and now this is where i wanna be
Sunday Jan 14, 2007 09:15:52 AM
Shequenta Newkirk:  Hey ...... I always wanna to be a professional boxer since i was 10 yrs.old now im 20yrs. old . i know i have what it take to become a boxer. It like i was born to fight i have the heart ,mind,and soul for boxing
Saturday Jun 9, 2007 03:39:18 PM
KaQuisha:  Boxing is something that i really love to do and i think reading this just made me love it more. And one day i want to be a pro boxer.
Tuesday Oct 30, 2007 09:21:57 AM
Peter Egley Jr:  Layla McCarter continues to be one of the top women boxers to watch. Like she said in a recent interview, stay tuned!
Sunday Apr 13, 2008 03:07:32 AM
Nikki:  It is true that in general, women are inferior to men physically, but not in all cases. I have seen numerous "average" male boxers in my gym get roughed up by a few women and it is not fair to say ALL women are inferior. I am a woman who can hit just as hard as any male my weight 175 lbs and dare some pig my same size to step in the ring with me. Increasing the duration of the fight would weed out many of the sloppier female fighters.
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008 01:03:50 PM
Erykah:  I don't think that women are inferior to men in sports at all. Through the history and of women and athleticism it is obvious that more value, attention and exposure has been warranted on males in sport. I can lift more than many men i meet and many men i train with. To say that women aren't not physically strong is a weak excuse to keep them out of the ring for the amount of time that they deserve. Lemme hit the weights with any guy and we'll see who comes out on top!
Monday Jul 28, 2008 12:02:32 PM
Momo:  Dean said: ". The best female boxer on the planet would be knocked out in less than one round by virtually any unranked, run-of-the-mill male boxer" I seriously doubt that, considering there was a show on I think Nat Geo recently that studied the force and impact of punches delivered to a specially set up crash test dummy and they had a male boxer (a huge guy!) and a fit female boxer each punch that dummy with all their strength. The male hit it with 700-odd lbs of force and the female hit it with 900-odd lbs of force. Check it out, they even showed it in slow motion. Amazing stuff. I never thought she'd be able to do that, considering how BIG that guy was. Women can be just as strong as men. It all depends on training. Men can be weaklings as well. Also, women are well known to possess more strength in their legs than men do. Men just don't want female competition because it would make them feel inferior. Can't have that, so basically they play the mind games to eliminate the competition, so much like you're doing here. Using the methods of degradation and humiliation so you won't have to put your money where your mouth is.
Wednesday Jun 24, 2009 10:00:35 AM
Momo:  Nikki said: "women are inferior to men physically" Hmm, no. See my previous comment, but also remember that women have a higher pain threshold than men do and are also the stronger of the sexes in gestation and also again in later years. Women's estrogen also protects them from heart disease. Women have a lot of physical benefits over males. Plus like I said, some women can punch harder than some men, too. It all depends on the individual.
Wednesday Jun 24, 2009 10:04:27 AM

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