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Friday Jun 10, 2005

Tony Ayala Jr. was fearless, and his sparring session in San Antonio with Pipino Cuevas is still the stuff of legends.

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Tony Ayala Jr.: The Best Prospect of All-Time

By Greg Smith

Being a hot prospect in the contemporary world of boxing is inherently difficult. If a high profile prospect is fed an array of stiffs and tomato cans to pad his record, he’ll be criticized regardless of the fact that the fighter’s management is more blameworthy than the fighter himself. On the other side of the coin, if a prospect is traditionally inculcated in a difficult, character building apprenticeship, he’ll likely be criticized as well because more chinks will appear in the armor against tough opposition. High expectations are heaped on prospects today, and when expectations aren’t met, criticism is often disproportionately vicious.

Not long ago, Miguel Cotto and Jermain Taylor were two of the top prospects in boxing. Cotto currently holds the WBO junior welterweight title, and Taylor is poised for his first title shot against Bernard Hopkins. Cotto’s management developed his career and honed his skills in the time-honored manner of an old-fashioned apprenticeship. Cotto proved that he’s not a one-dimensional front runner in the process, and quickly ascended the ranks in the toughest division in boxing. In contrast, Taylor was brought along slowly in the modern and fashionable mode of low risk and high yield in the talent-anemic middleweight division.

Ironically, Cotto faces an intricate web of difficulty to prove himself as the top junior welterweight in the world. The competition is deep and stiff. Taylor’s task is also tremendously difficult, but less complex. Jermain cuts straight to the chase and needs to beat 40-year-old Bernard Hopkins to become the undisputed middleweight champion of the world. Taylor’s management waited for the right time to strike, and they think the time is now. 

It’s difficult to assess who will have a more successful career in the long run. Boxing is a chaotic and often counterintuitive sport where old-fashioned values don’t necessarily equate to long term success. To be sure, in watching Cotto and Taylor in the ring, Cotto appears to be the more relaxed and seasoned fighter. He’s faced comparably more difficult opposition during the embryonic stages of his career. He’s also faced adversity more often than Taylor, and that will probably help him in high profile title fights down the road. With Taylor, we have more questions than answers. With Cotto, we have more answers than questions.

When I watched Cotto coming up the ranks as a prospect, he reminded me of several fighters, but his level of comfort in the ring was unusual for a young boxer in this era. It was refreshing to watch a fighter execute the fundamentals of the sport against hardened opposition. I hadn’t seen a prospect as comfortable in the ring as Cotto since watching former jr. middleweight prospect and contender Tony Ayala Jr. in the early 1980s. In my opinion, El Torito was the best prospect in boxing history. In the future, we’ll get to see the best of Cotto. Unfortunately, we never got to see the best of Ayala.

As Barry Tompkins once stated before one of Ayala’s early fights, Tony Ayala Jr. was born to be a fighter. Tony Ayala Sr. raised all four of his sons to be fighters. Besides El Torito, Mike became the most accomplished of the fighting Ayala brothers, and is best known for his classic ebb and flow war against Danny “Little Red” Lopez in The Ring magazine ’s 1979 “Fight of the Year.” 

El Torito started boxing at the age of 5 after watching his brothers in a Texas amateur tournament. From the age of 8, Tony never lost a fight, and won multiple amateur titles while compiling nearly 150 amateur bouts.

Perhaps more important than Ayala’s stellar amateur record was the reputation he gained in sparring with professional fighters. At the age of 14 in 1977, Ayala engaged in a famous sparring match with welterweight champion Jose “Pipino” Cuevas.

Cuevas was known for being hard on sparring partners. Indeed, a tough, quick former amateur fighter from the east coast who once trained me actually turned down the opportunity to spar with Cuevas at the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles in the late 1970s after watching Cuevas concuss and bludgeon two sparring partners in the gym. Ayala was fearless, and his sparring session in San Antonio with Cuevas is still the stuff of legends.

In 1992, Knockout Magazine, which was published three times per year by G.C. London Publishing Associates, released a gem of a publication about knockout artists. Included in the edition were profiles of Bob Foster, Earnie Shavers, Alfonso Zamora, Pipino Cuevas, George Foreman, and Tony Ayala Jr. Superb boxing scribe Phil Berger did a great piece on Ayala entitled “The Odyssey of Tony Ayala Jr.: The Rage of the Fighter, The Destruction of The Man.”  Berger perfectly captured the essence and action of El Torito’s infamous sparring session with Cuevas.

Berger clearly pointed out that Tony Sr. was reluctant to allow his teenage son in with a brutal punching champion like Cuevas, but Tony Jr. contended that Cuevas wouldn't be able to hurt him, and insisted on the sparring match. Berger describes Tony Sr.’s version of the action after his son talked him into arranging the match.

“Well, word got out. The gym was packed that day with spectators. And for the first two rounds, it was nip and tuck, man against boy. At the end of the second round, I asked him, ‘Torito, is he hurting you?’ He says no to me, ‘he may be a world champion, but he ain’t sh** to me.’ And he went out and kicked his butt the next round.”

Naturally, a father might embellish on his son’s accomplishments, but Berger was careful and astute to mention that Tony Sr. wasn’t the only person in the gym who saw it that way.

“San Antonio fight promoter, Tony Padilla, who has had his differences with the Ayalas, was there the afternoon Cuevas and young Tony went at it. He remembers Lupe Sanchez, Pipino’s manager, saying to Cuevas afterward, ‘Aren’t you ashamed --- a 14-year-old boy doing that to you?’ And Pipino, Padilla said, was muttering ‘Increible, increible’ – which is incredible in English.”

When Ayala turned pro at the age of 17 in 1980, he was touted as one of “Tomorrow’s Champions.” Ayala’s stablemate and sparring partner, Bobby Czyz, was perhaps the most marketed of the young prospects climbing the ranks, but Ayala was by far the most precocious and talented. Ayala had the ability to slip and counter to the head and body unlike many top contenders despite his tender age. More importantly, Ayala faced adversity early in his career, and responded like an old school champion when he was hurt and on the brink of defeat.

In Ayala’s ninth pro fight, he faced dangerous, deceptive, and unpredictable Mario Maldonado. Maldonado sported a mediocre record of 11-7-1, but possessed tremendous punching power and a style that could rattle well-rounded, battletested opponents.

In the first round, Maldonado took the fight to the 18-year-old Ayala. Ayala characteristically responded with beautifully executed counter hooks to the head and body. As the round commenced, Maldonado was surprisingly getting the better of the exchanges. After trading salvos in the center of the ring, Maldonado was able to land a combination that backed Ayala against the ropes. Under fire, Ayala attempted to retaliate, but was caught with a wicked right to the temple that froze him and had him out on his feet. Maldonado followed up, and Ayala was on the deck for the first time in his young, fledgling career.

Most importantly, Ayala was badly hurt. He took a short count, and slowly stood up on unsteady and twitching legs. Despite being in a fog, Ayala instinctively looked to his corner, and nonchalantly waved to them that he was ok and to sit down. Even near the brink of defeat and career destruction, Ayala had a fearless, defiant look on his face. His nervous system had suffered a severe shock, and it seemed like Ayala might become a first round knockout victim. The cynical reaction of many of observers was that Ayala would prove to be yet another hot prospect who failed miserably when adversity was unexpectedly manifested.

What happened shortly thereafter is the difference between a prospect and a true contender. El Torito methodically picked his spots, and turned the tide of the bout. He began to tattoo Maldonado with thudding left hooks and vicious right hands. As the first round ended, Ayala was in complete control, and Maldonado was in trouble.

During the next two rounds, Ayala punished Maldonado. Ayala’s attack was a study in controlled, professional fury. Jabs, short, compact left hooks to the body and head. Lead right hands followed by more hooks. Ayala effortlessly slipped Maldonado’s desperate shots, and attacked with increased fury.

In the third round, a hook shot Mario’s mouthpiece several rows into the crowd. Shortly thereafter, Maldonado hit the deck and gradually succumbed to the pounding. The referee stopped the bout after it became clear that Mario didn’t want to continue.

It was both a scary and revealing bout. Tony Ayala Jr. could be hurt and knocked down, but he could rise from the brink of defeat to dominate dangerous opposition. He was no longer a prospect. He definitely wasn’t a one-dimensional front runner who couldn’t handle return fire.

A contender was born.

Over the next twenty months, Ayala roared and ripped his way through tomato cans, journeyman, and legitimate contenders. To this day, I have never seen a fighter so young with as much game as Tony Ayala Jr. At age 18, he could execute a shoulder roll off an incoming right hand and counter with his own right hand as well as James Toney or Evander Holyfield. During infighting, El Torito would sometimes cross his arms in the style of Archie Moore, and then counter with a five-punch head and body combination, pivot, and land another thumping combination that would paralyze and befuddle his opponents.

Tony was uniquely relaxed and vicious in the ring. Barry Tompkins compared him to Jake LaMotta, but with better instincts. Ferdie Pacheco compared him to Roberto Duran because of the relentless ferocity of his attack. It is hard for me to articulate who Ayala reminds me of because he was actually quite original.

As the sordid story of boxing goes, Ayala never fulfilled his potential. On the verge of a title fight with WBA belt holder Davey Moore, Ayala was convicted of rape and was given a 15-35 year sentence in the New Jersey penal system.

We should’ve known. Ayala had been in serious trouble before. He reached an out of court settlement in a sexual assault case when he was only 15-years-old. Just months prior to the aforementioned rape, he was arrested while wandering intoxicated in a neighbor’s home. Like Mike Tyson, Ayala was careening out of control, and nothing could stop the wreck.

When Ayala entered prison in 1983 at the age of twenty, his professional record was 22-0 with 19 KOs.

When Ayala emerged from prison in 1999, I was surprised when he announced a comeback. In his first career, Ayala once admitted that he really didn’t like boxing as much as fans might think. I was also surprised that he would compete near his original weight. Ayala emerged from prison around 200 pounds, but didn’t appear obese.

Many people forget that Bernard Hopkins immediately called Ayala out at that time. Hopkins was still laboring in obscurity while waging war against the establishment. Hopkins’ overtures might’ve been a great marketing coup if Ayala’s impulses superceded his intellect. Ayala smartly ignored Hopkins’ challenge. He knew as well as Bernard that 16 years in prison doesn’t improve a fighter’s ability to slip jabs and hooks.

Ayala’s comeback didn’t go far. Initially, some compared his comeback to that of George Foreman, but the comparison is both unfair and inaccurate. I strongly believe Ayala was at a huge disadvantage compared to the comeback of Fifth Ward George. I have always believed that the level of pure boxing skill tends to increase in inverse proportion to weight. Especially in the contemporary era, the heavyweight division is based more on power than boxing skill. Foreman could easily compensate for slowed reflexes with his freakish power. In contrast, Ayala’s slowed reflexes would be more apparent and detrimental at 154 or 160 pounds. The fighters are quicker and harder to tag cleanly than heavyweights. Therefore, Ayala would automatically experience more difficulty than did Foreman. 

Ayala was doomed from the beginning.

As it turned out, Ayala’s comeback record was 9-2 with 8 KOs. In his last fight, Tony appeared listless and a caricature of his former self when he was stopped in 11 rounds by Anthony Bonsante during the spring of 2003. Truthfully, his comeback ended when Yori Boy Campas stopped him in 9 rounds on July 28, 2000. Ayala attempted to rebound, but the demons and trouble of the past insidiously crept back into his world.

Legal troubles started months after Ayala lost to Campas. Ayala was shot when he broke into the home of a young woman who trained at his gym. After much legal haggling, he was placed on 10 years probation.

In another legal scrape, Ayala was falsely accused of rape by a young woman, but spent a few months in jail while fights fell through.

When Ayala was released from prison in 1999, he proclaimed himself to be the original Mike Tyson. The parallels fit in many ways.

In 2004, Ayala was aimless. His boxing career was essentially over, and career prospects appeared elusive. He was arrested for speeding, driving without a license, and possessing drug paraphernalia in his car. Ayala was sentenced to 10 years in prison for violating the terms of his probation. 

Ayala is now a two-time loser, and only time will tell how Ayala will fare if he survives the next several years in a Texas prison and is granted yet another shot at freedom.

In classical music, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Nicolo Paganini are two of the greatest virtuosos to grace the planet. Both were child prodigies. Mozart was composing music at the age of five. He was most comfortable effortlessly composing the most exquisite operas and symphonies in history. Mozart was the standard by which eccentric geniuses are measured. Outside of his element, he was a careless spendthrift and nonconformist who didn’t possess an iota of common sense or business acumen. He died destitute and was buried in an unmarked grave at the age of 35.

Although not as well known on a pound-for-pound basis, Italian violinist Nicolo Paganini might’ve been better than Mozart. Paganini received classical training early in life, but was mostly self-taught. Reports from that era indicate that Paganini’s passages were so beautiful and awe-inspiring that his audiences would weep in admiration. Many were stunned by his virtuosity, and theorized that he was in a pact with the devil. Today, the best musicians in the world continue to struggle in duplicating his work.

Nicolo’s peccadilloes were also at a different level than Mozart. Like Mozart, he was a spendthrift. Deeper and more disturbing, he was a murderer and a rapist. He was also hopelessly addicted to gambling. Moreover, his wife suffered as Nicolo relentlessly assuaged his sex addiction through countless extramarital affairs, many of which occurred with underage girls. As Paganini’s hubris and instability ultimately hampered his career, it destroyed his life as well. The Catholic Church deemed him a heretic and denied him a Christian burial at his death in 1840 at the age of 57.

Prodigies often don’t last long, nor do they fit into the established norms and mores of society.

Tony Ayala Jr. was the prototype of the prodigy gone wrong. Like Mozart and Paganini, he started his profession early in life, and his skill set improved at an unnatural rate. Robbie Epps lost to Ayala on a first round knockout in 1982. He was once a sparring partner of Ayala, and a family adversary. Epps described Ayala’s bizarre and precocious development in Berger’s excellent article.

“I first saw Torito compete in San Antonio’s Municipal Auditorium in 1972. I couldn’t believe it. Nine years old he was, and he was fighting a guy with a mustache and a tattoo---a 15-year-old man. It was the first time I’d ever seen a kid that young whose punches made a thudding sound when they landed. He had that squatty body of his, but he beat the hell out of the mustached guy. Stopped him in the third round. It was amazing.”

Ayala stunned and amazed Epps, just as he enthralled fans at the Freeman Coliseum in San Antonio with his curious blend of barely controlled fury and advanced ring savvy.

The downfall of Tony Ayala Jr. has been explained in many ways. It is well known that Ayala was pushed hard in his development, grew up too fast, and was raised in a tough environment. Ayala was exposed to drugs and alcohol during the onset of puberty. Heroin was one of Ayala’s toughest adversaries. El Torito later admitted that he was actually detoxing from heroin before some of his most notable performances. Additionally, it is well known that Ayala was molested repeatedly as a child. Some have speculated that the unfortunate nature of Ayala’s upbringing contributed heavily to his self-destruction and criminal behavior.

In truth, the real professional tragedy of Tony Ayala Jr. is that he was blessed with unusual gifts he didn’t maximize. He simply made the wrong choices, and destroyed his life along with the lives of others. He could’ve been more than a contender. He probably would’ve become at least a good belt holder and might’ve engaged in memorable battles with Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Leonard and Mugabi. At his possible zenith, he might’ve defeated the best, changed the history of boxing, and transcended the sport.

From a different angle, another tragedy looms. In watching interviews with Ayala, he is actually well-spoken and intelligent. Tony Ayala Jr. could’ve helped a lot of people. Tony could’ve emerged from prison, and counseled those who suffered from the residual effects of sexual abuse and drug addiction. He could’ve helped ex-convicts through the precarious web of integrating back into society. He could’ve trained fighters, and helped them overcome the pitfalls of both success and failure. In the end, Tony Ayala Jr. simply chose to self-destruct instead of taking the opportunity of freedom and turning it into the multi-faceted redemption story he was fully capable of accomplishing.

Tony Ayala Jr. was the top prospect in boxing history. He was blessed with abilities only the greatest fighters in history can fathom. He is yet another example in a long line of sad stories in our complex and tough business. His story isn’t tragic because he was manipulated by promoters and managers. The legacy and tragedy of Tony Ayala Jr. is that he couldn’t conquer his inner demons. He simply failed to transfer and channel his innate abilities and intelligence into the ultimate professional and personal success he seemed destined to attain.

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R Moshki:  Thanxx for this information. Had no idea Tony was back in jail. This article is accuratre, objective. Tony was everything the writer said he was, could probably have beaten Duran. What a fight!! What a movie this story would would make!! Papale?? What are we, nuts?? But real boxing people would have to get it done, not a boxing novice such as Clint Eastwood.
Sunday Aug 20, 2006 12:24:13 AM
Pedro A Garcia:  I live in San Antonio, I used to write for a boxing website called Boxingtime. I have forever tried to get information as well as old boxing tapes from Ayala's early fights. The closes I actually got to Ayala was the year that Barrera was down here training at Ayala Sr's gym in preparation for his championship fight against Manny Pacquiao. I was asked to cover the fight, and had full access to Barrera, However, I remember being more in awe knowing the fact that I was in the same legendary gym that had produced such a vicious fighter like Ayala. I remember feeling faint when I actually stood next to him ( Wondering if I could have outboxed him...He was very short, and me towering over him at 6 feet) I was latter able to have an off the record conversation with Ayala Sr. At first he was rude and very distant when he found out I was part of a semi media. But he later settled down and began to tell me the story of how Ayala had spared with Hearns in the Kronk gym one day. Accrding to Ayala Sr's version, he knocked Hearns out in sparring. Crazy thing...I actually believe it. If anyone out there can send me some of ayala's early fights...that would be great
Wednesday Jan 3, 2006 05:02:27 PM
Duncan Mann:  As a lifelong boxing fan i would like to thankyou for this article which has given me information on one of the most uncrowned champions of all time
Tuesday Jan 23, 2007 11:42:01 AM
Oscar Boyd:  This article is brillant accurate and entertaining. I could visualize Tony in the gym with Cuevas the gym rats watching with anticipation the maturation process of a rising star. The tragety of another member of boxing's fraternity of what might have been. Par execelance into Par none,a talent wasted.
Saturday Jun 23, 2007 01:14:47 PM
Anonymous user:  sure
Sunday Sep 9, 2007 02:45:00 PM
John Mason:  He was a great fighter and a worthless thug. Prison is exactly where that stupid bastard belongs...for the rest of his life.
Tuesday Sep 18, 2007 08:25:53 PM
Luis:  Ayala would have beaten Leonard,Hearns,Duran and Hagler
Saturday Nov 10, 2007 07:26:16 PM
Joe:  Where exactly did you hear Paginini was a rapist and a murderer? I've read rumors of it, but no where is it confirmed. Paginini had a dark gimmick, similar to that of Marilyn Manson, and it is said the rumor he learned to play violin while in prison for murder was kayfabe to create more interest in him. Therefore, he never denied any bad publicity the paparazzi of the time claimed about him. As for infidelities and having sex with underage women, I can't find a single site claiming he was ever officially married, and underage during that time could have been anything. Underage is 12 years old in some European countries, and that's NOWADAYS. Imagine Italy 200 years ago.
Wednesday Jan 9, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Ronald Booboo Lane:  Tony Ayala, Jr. will turn 45 in February. Tony is unique in the long hx of Boxing. It's hard to imagine that he ruined himself twice on purpose. He's mentally ill; calling him "a worthless thug" is unproductive. Tony was probably gonna beat Davey Moore. Today, he could have been a multi-millionaire with the same kind of life as Ray Leonard. He's more articulate than Ray but he threw it all away.
Saturday Jan 19, 2008 11:44:01 PM
Anonymous user:  Tony Ayala is an example of a man who could not function in society. His life was the boxing ring and nothing else. He has no respect for human life and his actions have placed him where he belongs; his own private concrete ring. We shouldn't waste space on debating the outcomes of fights that he could have had; Ayala lost the biggest fight to himself. His father didn't raise a responsible son, just a boxer who is now forgotten.
Monday Jan 21, 2008 03:20:21 PM
ed cahill:  I remember Robbie Epps saying, "Ive known the hole familly for years and there all no good"
Monday Jan 21, 2008 10:41:24 PM
richard alvarado:  I'm a native san antonian and I was a kid when Tony Ayala Jr. was doing his thing in the ring. I remember my grandfather and father boasting about how great Ayala was going to be. They were so proud of how he was from San Antonio and how he was going to represent the hispanic race and all. Ayala Jr. let it all go down the drain with his drug abuse and troubles with the law. We will never know how great he could have been. What a waste of such God given talent.
Monday Jan 28, 2008 11:22:31 PM
richard alvarado:  I\'m a native san antonian and I was a kid when Tony Ayala Jr. was doing his thing in the ring. I remember my grandfather and father boasting about how great Ayala was going to be. They were so proud of how he was from San Antonio and how he was going to represent the hispanic race and all. Ayala Jr. let it all go down the drain with his drug abuse and troubles with the law. We will never know how great he could have been. What a waste of such God given talent.
Monday Jan 28, 2008 11:36:22 PM
Matthew Millican:  It seems to me that very few truly appreciate just how awesome Tony Ayala was and would have been. He had immense raw talent (moreso than Hagler, IMHO) with a vicious rage to match it. However, due to his tough upbringing, drug/alcohol abuse, as well as personal demons, Tony seemed almost destined to self-destruct. What a shame for everyone involved. As for what he would've accomplished in the ring, I'll say this. He would've destroyed Duran, Davey Moore, Hearns, Mugabi, McCallum......i.e. just about any fighter who shared a ring with him. The only one I have some doubt about is Hagler. Sugar Ray Leonard would've avoided him, wisely so.
Friday Feb 22, 2008 05:03:32 PM
Antonio:  Well what we can really say is that Ayala like many good ordinary people fell victim to societies Outbreak. In my humble opinion it was heroine who eventually whooped him. Drugs: Public Enemy #1
Saturday Mar 29, 2008 04:16:45 PM
Dean:  I followed his comeback closely and at times he was very impressive.The fight with Yuri Boy Campas was a war! A great fight,and I could tell that his losing was the end.Still it's amazing to think that he was in there with a fighter only a few years out from being a champion when he himself never fought for 16 years!!! Amazing, and yet so sad.He was so well spoken.And yet,you always wonder about the demons he must have running inside his head.His life story would be interesting,but a tragedy for sure...
Friday May 23, 2008 10:17:35 PM
Tracy:  I have personally know Tony for over 20 years. Although I have have not initiated contact with him since his return to prison, I can tell you that he proved to be a good, loyal friend. I don't know anything about boxing, and we never really shared that aspect of his life, but I can tell you that when he is clean, Tony is intelligent, articulate and insightful. It is a great shame that heroin has taken this man, and so many, many others down to the depths of hell.
Saturday Jun 28, 2008 11:15:12 PM
big:  I believ Robbie Epps called his family "animals"...he paid for it too.
Monday Jun 30, 2008 07:13:11 PM
genaro julio cruz:  Tony Ayala was vicious in the ring and soft to his friends outside it. He had a taste of teenage girls and thats whats got him back in prison as he nears 50.
Wednesday Oct 8, 2008 09:00:40 AM
Sarge W Ruffin:  I had the pleasure of meeting Tony in 1979 while in San Antonio. We met for the first and only time at Kelly AFB for a sparring match. I had heard on Tony's left hook and knew to stay away. Although I had about six years on Tony, I wasn't stupid enough to take the fight to him. Instead, I did what any man would do if he were in a square pit with a piosinous snake. I ran for the opposite side. Tony was a madman in the ring whether he was sparring or it was the real thing. Big cudos for Tony and the Ayala family.
Sunday Nov 30, 2008 06:30:03 PM
Robby Epps:  My name is Robby Epps, that's Robby with a "y."When I fought Tony in 1982, it was in 16sq foot ring with canvas. It was like quick sand so I couldn't move. My only option was to slug with him. Besides that, I was already angered by things that were said when we went to the center of the ring twice due to the television timing. But I still say to this day that I would've won this fight. Tony was already exhausted and I had already taken his best shot and did not go down. I have always been a slow starter in the first round. I would've came back in the next round and would've out slugged since him since he was already exhausted. I never would have got tired. I have nothing against the Ayala's. I have a lot of great memories with all of them. Especially Tony Ayala senor. Tony Senor used to call me "Kid Pancho" if I had a 10th son I'd name him Pancho. I still remember when we were all kids, Tony Ayala, Mike Ayala, Sammy Ayala, Robert Vasquez, Johnnie Guerrero, Sugar Gonzalez, and a few others. Tony Senor took us all around fighting and beating grown men. We were all under 16 and when we fought we were called the "Baby Brigade." Tony Jr. was bit younger than me, about the age of my brother Ronnie who used to spar with him. Ronnie would box circles around Tony and Tony Senor would get angry and come in with a jump rope and whip his son for poor fighting. In the long run Tony Jr. had no choice but to be a great fighter.
Wednesday Dec 31, 2008 07:19:08 PM
c:  does anyone know when he's going to be released from prison?
Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 03:19:22 PM
Jose A. Lopez:  I was a big fan of Tony's when he was coming up and a major boxing fan. I've never seen a fighter with a body attack like Tony's, except possibly Roberto Duran. I remember clearly the article published about him in 1982 in Sports Illustrated. There was almost no way that he would miss becoming a world champion. However, in that article there was a very prophetic quote from his father, in Spanish, which went something like (this is a paraphrase) "Hasta al mejor caldo le puede caer mosca" translated to, "Even the best soup can be spoiled if a fly falls in it." In other words, even if things look perfect, they can go wrong. He knew something. I am also a physician. It seems that in writing about Tony's spectacular and tragic downfall, no one has considered the possibility that a kid that began boxing at the age of five and had 150 amateur fights and countless sparring sessions received enough blows to the head to cause chronic brain injury. One of the most subtle manifestations of this type of injury is impaired judgment, a problem he clearly displayed, repeatedly. That's my theory. Nothing else makes as much sense.
Monday Mar 2, 2009 01:18:58 PM
Jose A. Lopez:  I was a big fan of Tony's when he was coming up and a major boxing fan. I've never seen a fighter with a body attack like Tony's, except possibly Roberto Duran. I remember clearly the article published about him in 1982 in Sports Illustrated. There was almost no way that he would miss becoming a world champion. However, in that article there was a very prophetic quote from his father, in Spanish, which went something like (this is a paraphrase) "Hasta al mejor caldo le puede caer mosca" translated to, "Even the best soup can be spoiled if a fly falls in it." In other words, even if things look perfect, they can go wrong. He knew something. I am also a physician. It seems that in writing about Tony's spectacular and tragic downfall, no one has considered the possibility that a kid that began boxing at the age of five and had 150 amateur fights and countless sparring sessions received enough blows to the head to cause chronic brain injury. One of the most subtle manifestations of this type of injury is impaired judgment, a problem he clearly displayed, repeatedly. That's my theory. Nothing else makes as much sense.
Monday Mar 2, 2009 01:25:33 PM
Jose A. Lopez:  I was a big fan of Tony's when he was coming up and a major boxing fan. I've never seen a fighter with a body attack like Tony's, except possibly Roberto Duran. I remember clearly the article published about him in 1982 in Sports Illustrated. There was almost no way that he would miss becoming a world champion. However, in that article there was a very prophetic quote from his father, in Spanish, which went something like (this is a paraphrase) "Hasta al mejor caldo le puede caer mosca" translated to, "Even the best soup can be spoiled if a fly falls in it." In other words, even if things look perfect, they can go wrong. He knew something. I am also a physician. It seems that in writing about Tony's spectacular and tragic downfall, no one has considered the possibility that a kid that began boxing at the age of five and had 150 amateur fights and countless sparring sessions received enough blows to the head to cause chronic brain injury. One of the most subtle manifestations of this type of injury is impaired judgment, a problem he clearly displayed, repeatedly. That's my theory. Nothing else makes as much sense.
Monday Mar 2, 2009 02:19:40 PM
l.steward:  I think Dr.Lopez has a great diagnosis.Mr. Ayala could have a brain injury.I remember he was a great fighter.
Tuesday Apr 14, 2009 09:37:52 PM
Sam Garfield:  I would like to communicate with Robby Epps and ask him some questions via email. If you would give him my email address, I would like him to email me so I can email him the questions I have. Also, I agree with Dr. Lopez. The only thing that makes sense for someone with Mr. Ayalsa intelligence and usually friendly, fun personality, is that the years of getting hit damaged him as Dr. Lopez described.
Saturday May 2, 2009 05:54:19 PM
Hassler:  Tony was truly a magnificant fighter in the early 1980's and I have do doubt he would have went straight to the top if he had stayed out of trouble. Tony was so good he muight have walked right through Sugar Ray Leonard. Tony you still have fans and our hearts and prayrers go out to you my friend. Best wishes from Gladewater, Texas.
Saturday May 2, 2009 11:30:34 PM
jason:  Dear Robby Epps, Tony would have killed you in the ring had the ref not stopped the fight, which is plain to see on youtube. You lasted eactly 1:32 of the firt round with your head being knocked around like a pinball. You were never on steady legs, you were wobbled 3 times or more. The ref may have saved your life that night. You mouthed off after the fight. You were a bitter loser.
Wednesday May 27, 2009 12:36:24 AM
jose mendoza:  Hello to eveyone who has been touched by the Tony Jr. story, I first met him after his first fight back in August 1999 with Manuel Esparza. He was touched that we had driven over a 1000 miles from Wyoming to see him fight. We also came back for a couple more fights and he and his Father, family and friends were always very open and kind, even letting us watch him in the Gym once. We all know what has happened and really all I can do is pray for his well being. I told him we'd always be in his corner and I still am. God bless you Tony, your friend always - jose mendoza Cheyenne, Wyoming
Wednesday Jun 10, 2009 05:23:13 PM
DJ Johnson:  I remember being stunned the first time I saw Ayala fight. I'd been a fan of his brother, Mike, and I was interested to see what little brother could do. The skill level was dazzling. But I couldn't remain a fan after a later fight, when he jumped on his unconscious opponent, who had hit the canvas a moment before, and basically tried to kill the guy. He was helpless, and it was revolting. I've always believed pugilistic greatness and good sportsmanship don't have to be mutually exclusive. Good sportsmanship and human decency are good things. Ayala appeared lacking in the former and completely devoid of the latter. And Robby Epps, I saw you when you were good, so I know you had skill, but you really need to watch the YouTube vid of your fight with Ayala, because you might be... I dunno... thinking of a different fight. You were annihilated that day. Happens to the best of them.
Thursday Jun 25, 2009 04:37:55 AM
Steee:  Heavy handed fighter for sure. And for many years I thought a loser thug that just didn't keep his focus, and like all the other many similar opinions of him, coulda, woulda, shoulda and loser punk got what he deserved etc etc, however, I have rarely (if ever) heard anyone say that he followed bravely where his head and heart and took him. Perhaps the most appealing and exciting things for him were not what they are for most others, such as fame fortune, riches and adulation. It is entirely possible that he preferred the overwhelming euphoria of a spike of heroin or the total control and sadistic pleasure that a forcible sexual encounter gave him. Not that I or many others think that these are laudable quests to pursue, however if they were the absolute pinnacle for him, why should we think those are so much more condemnable than some of our own that perhaps we only think of and are conditioned to suppress. Maybe he was just more true to his own nature than any ever will be. (naaaa) (just a thought) Personally I think the punk ass thug also belongs where he is - Imprisoned. ;)
Sunday Nov 29, 2009 12:04:29 PM
Steee:  Heavy handed fighter for sure. And for many years I thought a loser thug that just didn't keep his focus, and like all the other many similar opinions of him, coulda, woulda, shoulda and loser punk got what he deserved etc etc, however, I have rarely (if ever) heard anyone say that he followed bravely where his head and heart and took him. Perhaps the most appealing and exciting things for him were not what they are for most others, such as fame, fortune, riches and adulation. It is entirely possible that he preferred the overwhelming euphoria of a spike of heroin or the total control and sadistic pleasure that a forcible sexual encounter gave him. Not that I or many others think that these are laudable quests to pursue, however if they were the absolute pinnacle for him, why should we think those are so much more condemnable than some of our own that perhaps we only think of and are conditioned to suppress. Maybe he was just more true to his own nature than any ever will be. (naaaa) (just a thought) Personally I think the punk ass thug also belongs where he is - Imprisoned. ;) Yeah maybe we all at sometime or the other think about doing vile useless things but it is only the weaklings & cowards that are unable to control themselves. And for the record Duran would have completely dismantled him and KHTFO with 8 rounds.
Sunday Nov 29, 2009 12:10:50 PM
Malcolm Jr.:  I didn't know Tony Jr.but knew Sammy and Mike . They stayed with my family in New Orleans back in the early 70s for a short time. While down in New Orleans both Mike and Sammy had several amateur fights and won everyone. I even had the chance to spar with both at my Dads gym,but they took it easy on me,thank god (lol). The Ayala family were good to me and always treated me great. I did get in a lot of trouble when they stayed .
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:04:20 PM
RM:  I just found this thread while recalling the 1970s SA boxing glory days. I was at the Ayala-Epps fight and several of Torito's fight. (I was also at the MIke Ayala-Little Red Lopez fight at the old arena). With all respect to Mr. Epps it appeared to me that his face looked like it was going burst wide open. It was beet red and there was little offense on his part. He was never in the fight at any point. Regarding the Ayala family, and especially Big Tony, they were well known on the westside of San Antonio. My family lived in the Courts on Guadalupe Street by the Pic Nic and all over lovely Frio City Road by the old cattle yard. I don't think any of the Ayala brothers (MIke, Tony, Sammy or Paulie) even atended high school and if they attended middle school it was not very often. Big Tony trained them like pit bulls and they were training full time as teenagers. They were not very well educated or even socialized to go to school or work. Torito assaulted a female at the old Mission Drive Inn while he was a teenager and that was before his "accident" when he walked into a neighbors house in the early 1980s and was probably getting ready to assault a female in it. He has a past as a dangerous predator. It is a shame that he was so self-destructive but looking back at how he was raised he might not have ever really had a chance to contribute to society. Either way those are my thoughts and I thank others for posting on this topic.
Tuesday Mar 30, 2010 02:21:02 PM
RKnows:  I just happen to be hunting around tonight and came across this old article..I stayed and read all the comments..I will say this article is well written but I also have to say as someone who is in contact with Tony Ayala Jr on a constant basis there are some comments here that are SO off base.. I will say with the exception of "Tracy" whom I guess I will eventually know about most of you know nothing of Tony's personal life before or after.. I have seen some really vicious things said about this man and they couldn't be further from the truth... I will out of respect keep my comments short and leave it with, people should be mindful of what they say especially when they haven't the first clue of what they speak about....
Sunday Jun 6, 2010 03:13:26 AM

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