UPDATED WED. AFTERNOON! Geale-Cotto in the Works

Smoke, meet fire…

Indeed, Miguel Cotto will take on Aussie Daniel Geale, as was rumored. A presser Thursday will announce the official deets, with the fight unfolding June 6, in Brooklyn.

MSG had been home to Cotto, he packed em to the gills time and again since 2007, but he’s now with Roc Nation, and new avenues are being traveled. Brett Yormark runs Barclays Center and his brother Michael is an exec with Roc, so this makes sense from that perspective.

Will this fight be at 160..or a catchweight? We shall see…

Fans hoping to see Cotto kick off his Roc deal with a mega-fight, maybe a middlweight title defense against Gennady Golovkin,  were not made happy, but I suspect fight number 2 in his three fight package will be a mega-match, likely against Canelo Alvarez.

HBO will screen this tangle.

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The mill is buzzing in Rumortown, that Miguel Cotto has his next picked.

Aussie Daniel Geale at middleweight, maybe at a catchweight, at Barclays Center on June 6 is what has been whispered.

Cotto has been off since last June, when he seemingly nailed shut the career coffin of Sergio Martinez at Madison Square Garden. He signed a massive moolah deal with Jay Z’s Roc nation, for three fights and $50 million plus to kick off the new year.

Many potential foes have been discussed and it seems as though Geale, who sports a 30-3 mark, and won his last outing, against Jarrod Fletcher in December, will get the nod.

He tasted the power of Gennady Golovkin in his previous tangle and was stopped out in round three. Of middling power, he holds solid wins over Osumanu Adama, Felix Sturm and Anthony Mundine and was in a tight contest with Darren Barker in 2013.

Viewers would be noting if Cotto could better Geale and dispatch him in finer fashion than could Golovkin, with a desire to see the Puerto Rican icon and the fighting pride of Kazahkstan collide in the near-ish future.

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COMMENTS

-Skibbz :

I hope it's a rumour that doesn't materialise and is sent to the deepest and darkest to rot for eternity. Can't these former greats just retire already if they don't want to defend against the young lions?


-oubobcat :

Its not the fight we want but to be honest Geale is a better opponent than say Heiland and Bundradge. Geale was only really decisively beaten by Golovkin. Other than that, he has lost twice and both were very close fights that could have gone either way. He is also a natural Middleweight and has been at that weight his whole career. He has good skills and better punching power than his record indicates. We all want to see Cotto fight either Canelo or Golovkin. I understand that and want those fights as badly as everyone else. But Geale is not that bad a fighter and a top ten middleweight. This could turn into a pretty good scrap in itself.


-amayseng :

How are fights like Geale gonna make enough to fullfill the 50 million dollar payday?


-Pazuzu :

How are fights like Geale gonna make enough to fullfill the 50 million dollar payday?
They'll make it a PPV and lead off with a Beyonc? concert. ; )


-amayseng :

They'll make it a PPV and lead off with a Beyonc? concert. ; )
Haha. No one paying for that mess man


-Bernie Campbell :

How the hell does Geale get a title shot after being demolished by GGG in their encounter!


-Radam G :

How the hell does Geale get a title shot after being demolished by GGG in their encounter!
That is how the game flows, B-Camp! No wrecking machine is going to get the time of day. Holla!


-The Good Doctor :

For everyone critical of this move, let me get this straight: You want a guy who is the size of medium frame welterweight to fight a guy who is a true middleweight maybe even a super middleweight for the title. Keep in mind he is not being forced to vacate said title nor obligated to fight said true middleweight. You want a guy who has publicly said that he is looking towards the twilight of his career, that just signed a 3 fight, 50 million dollar contract, just received a 5 mil signing bonus to go right into a fight where he would be a legitimate underdog (3 to 1 easy) and probably get beat. You want this guy to pass up a fight after which all is said and done, he will walk away with an 8 figure payday, fight in an area where is thought of as a king, against an easier opponent. People, don't let your fanaticism blind you to what boxing has been for decades. You don't have to like it and God knows I am not crazy about it, but it makes alot of sense to me and I am not mad at the move. Alot of people are raking Cotto over the coals for what is almost standard boxing practice. I would also argue that if Cotto decides to face GGG, that he really stands to gain nothing. If GGG beats him, which I think he will handily, Cotto is probably going to want to retire which puts him in a conundrum of giving roughly 30mil back to Roc Nation or having to fight two more times in situations he is not the least bit interested in. Add to that, let's be real, the biography of Cotto is pretty well written unless he somehow got rematches with Pac or Money and beat them. If by some stroke of God, Cotto beats GGG, it will be a case of the fickle, ever changing, flip flopping public. The story will not be about Cotto, it will be about how GGG was a fraud. He never fought anyone, he beat up on C level opponents, and the first time he gets in the ring with a real opponent he gets beat. Even if Cotto throttled GGG, it would not be a referendum on GGG, he is still a good fighter, but none of that would matter as the media is about as steady a pontoon boat in a tsunami.


-The Shadow :

For everyone critical of this move, let me get this straight: You want a guy who is the size of medium frame welterweight to fight a guy who is a true middleweight maybe even a super middleweight for the title. Keep in mind he is not being forced to vacate said title nor obligated to fight said true middleweight. You want a guy who has publicly said that he is looking towards the twilight of his career, that just signed a 3 fight, 50 million dollar contract, just received a 5 mil signing bonus to go right into a fight where he would be a legitimate underdog (3 to 1 easy) and probably get beat. You want this guy to pass up a fight after which all is said and done, he will walk away with an 8 figure payday, fight in an area where is thought of as a king, against an easier opponent. People, don't let your fanaticism blind you to what boxing has been for decades. You don't have to like it and God knows I am not crazy about it, but it makes alot of sense to me and I am not mad at the move. Alot of people are raking Cotto over the coals for what is almost standard boxing practice. I would also argue that if Cotto decides to face GGG, that he really stands to gain nothing. If GGG beats him, which I think he will handily, Cotto is probably going to want to retire which puts him in a conundrum of giving roughly 30mil back to Roc Nation or having to fight two more times in situations he is not the least bit interested in. Add to that, let's be real, the biography of Cotto is pretty well written unless he somehow got rematches with Pac or Money and beat them. If by some stroke of God, Cotto beats GGG, it will be a case of the fickle, ever changing, flip flopping public. The story will not be about Cotto, it will be about how GGG was a fraud. He never fought anyone, he beat up on C level opponents, and the first time he gets in the ring with a real opponent he gets beat. Even if Cotto throttled GGG, it would not be a referendum on GGG, he is still a good fighter, but none of that would matter as the media is about as steady a pontoon boat in a tsunami.
This is why I love you.


-amayseng :

For everyone critical of this move, let me get this straight: You want a guy who is the size of medium frame welterweight to fight a guy who is a true middleweight maybe even a super middleweight for the title. Keep in mind he is not being forced to vacate said title nor obligated to fight said true middleweight. You want a guy who has publicly said that he is looking towards the twilight of his career, that just signed a 3 fight, 50 million dollar contract, just received a 5 mil signing bonus to go right into a fight where he would be a legitimate underdog (3 to 1 easy) and probably get beat. You want this guy to pass up a fight after which all is said and done, he will walk away with an 8 figure payday, fight in an area where is thought of as a king, against an easier opponent. People, don't let your fanaticism blind you to what boxing has been for decades. You don't have to like it and God knows I am not crazy about it, but it makes alot of sense to me and I am not mad at the move. Alot of people are raking Cotto over the coals for what is almost standard boxing practice. I would also argue that if Cotto decides to face GGG, that he really stands to gain nothing. If GGG beats him, which I think he will handily, Cotto is probably going to want to retire which puts him in a conundrum of giving roughly 30mil back to Roc Nation or having to fight two more times in situations he is not the least bit interested in. Add to that, let's be real, the biography of Cotto is pretty well written unless he somehow got rematches with Pac or Money and beat them. If by some stroke of God, Cotto beats GGG, it will be a case of the fickle, ever changing, flip flopping public. The story will not be about Cotto, it will be about how GGG was a fraud. He never fought anyone, he beat up on C level opponents, and the first time he gets in the ring with a real opponent he gets beat. Even if Cotto throttled GGG, it would not be a referendum on GGG, he is still a good fighter, but none of that would matter as the media is about as steady a pontoon boat in a tsunami.
From a business standpoint, well yeah. from a fans standpoint, as we are fans, not Cottos management, who wants to see Cotto vs Geale at 157 for the mw title over GGG at 160 to unify belts and the true MW champion?


-The Good Doctor :

From a business standpoint, well yeah. from a fans standpoint, as we are fans, not Cottos management, who wants to see Cotto vs Geale at 157 for the mw title over GGG at 160 to unify belts and the true MW champion?
Agreed. In your statement though I think you prove my point. Amayseng you are a
fan, not a fanatic. Along with your love of the sport, you possess a high degree of intelligence. What I am saying to people is along with their desire to see the fight, take a step back and say, how much sense does this really make, business or sport. If you think about, not a ton. I have seen many a media outlet, many a board poster, many a commentator skewering Cotto and I don't quite get it. May I also add that the same person giving Cotto crap were the same ones who understood him negotiating to fight a guy who has looked very marginal in 3 of his last 4 fights including getting smoked in one of them. In addition, he fought a walking corpse in Angulo. However it was ok because it was a very good business decision first and maybe a good fight second. This is no different. Geale is a great business decision and maybe a good fight.


-The Good Doctor :

This is why I love you.
That always makes me laugh.............


-Skibbz :

I can think of several champions who began careers at lightweight who went on to fight at middleweight and fight guys who make Geale look like a featherweight. I don't think we want to know about the business Doc, I mean unless it's our hero fighter we don't even consider that side really do we? We just want to see the best fighting the best, the lineal champs defending their championship belt at the correct weight against legitimate opponents who have earned the right to figjt for that belt. Not at a catchweight against someone who has been blown out the water and seriously contemplated retirement last time he was in the ring. Do you really want the new generation of young pugs growing up to hear about Miguel Cotto fighting at catch weights more for money than anything else or do you want to him fighting for something greater? Making their desire for avarice poison their hearts at such a young age is not healthy for them nor the sport.


-King Beef :

TGD you make a excellent point, with the amount of money floating around now its hard not to think business 1st. I admit when I saw the rumors of Geale at a possible catchweight, I thought not this bull**** again, but the more I thought about it; from Cotto's standpoint...why not. If they were gonna pay me 50mil for 3 fights against some possible softer touches...bring em on. Cotto has been in there with the who's who, (and "possibly" took a beating for 11 rounds by some loaded gloves) so if he finishes out with a "pop" instead of a "BANG" so be it. We are all fans, but i highly doubt anybody here is gonna sling a few dollars Cottos way or help out with the fam. Too small for middleweight, then lets get in there with Cinnamon @ 154.


-The Good Doctor :

I can think of several champions who began careers at lightweight who went on to fight at middleweight and fight guys who make Geale look like a featherweight. I don't think we want to know about the business Doc, I mean unless it's our hero fighter we don't even consider that side really do we? We just want to see the best fighting the best, the lineal champs defending their championship belt at the correct weight against legitimate opponents who have earned the right to figjt for that belt. Not at a catchweight against someone who has been blown out the water and seriously contemplated retirement last time he was in the ring.
Do you really want the new generation of young pugs growing up to hear about Miguel Cotto fighting at catch weights more for money than anything else or do you want to him fighting for something greater? Making their desire for avarice poison their hearts at such a young age is not healthy for them nor the sport.
I know I am a douchebag for saying this, but yeah I do. For two reasons: I would want them to understand that number one, when you win titles in four weight classes, are one of the greatest Puerto Rican boxers ever, beat the likes of Shane Mosely, Sergio Martinez, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Zab before he was nuts, and Paulie Malinaggi, gave Floyd Mayweather his most competitive fight to date in Floyd's opinion and maintain a 75% ko percentage for your career, that you will be rewarded handsomely and will be allowed to call some shots. I am saying all that to say, you work hard, you perform, you give it your best, that good very good and rich things can be in store for you. Secondly, it helps them understand the whole story of our beloved sport. There are times when in is not prudent to paint the whole picture for the youth but there are times that it is. Any youth that is serious about boxing, needs to understand early on that this is PRIZE FIGHTING. They need to understand that you better love this because it like anything else in life has it's beautiful parts but it is far from utopian. They need to know that it is just as much business as it fighting. Hiding that part from them would be a disservice not to mention a rude awakening when they learn it.


-stormcentre :

Geale is quite a competent professional fighter. From Cotto and his management's position the fight (with Daniel) makes a lot of sense, for all the reasons we know about. But also, if we look at Cotto's career trajectory things are also not so certain for him either. Add to the mix Roc Nation want that ROI (return on investment) as well, as does any sugar daddy-investor. After Cotto bashed Mayorga and stopped Antonio Margarito, he then fought Floyd. We all know what happened when Cotto fought Floyd, but what Cotto has done after that and whom he has become for it, is not quite so well known and reads like this . . . . . After Floyd Miguel fought; 1) December 2012: Austin Trout at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto lost a unanimous decision. 2) October 2013: Delvin Rodriguez in Florida - result = Cotto wins by TKO in round 3 of 12. 3) June 2013: Sergio Martinez at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto wins by TKO and/or Martinez retiring in 10 of 12. In some senses, Trout almost completely owned and/or embarrassed Miguel; as substantiated by his risky, creative, and successful punch selection/output. The fight with Trout (any explanatory inside story and/or unknown issues with Cotto, aside) indicated that Cotto was way past his prime. Particulary if we consider the caliber of fighter that Austin has struggled with lately. Rodriguez served to keep Cotto relevant after the highly sensationalized loss to Trout. But aside from that he doesn't usually (belong or) operate in the orbit as a guy like Cotto. Martinez - a champion and reflex-oriented but exciting fighter - according to many, was physiologically shot, before the fight. Furthermore, rumors were abound that a part of the fight-contract stipulated that Martinez (whom hadn't had a significant/marquee fight for a while before Cotto, and craved one) could not - after the bout - refer to his leg/knee ailment(s). Prior to the bout with Cotto, Martinez fought Martin Murray in April 2013; so Martinez had not fought for just over a year when he stepped in with Cotto. So where is Cotto now really and from what indicator do we set out compass? Geale has fought for and won world titles against some pretty good natural middleweights that would, perhaps, easily beat some of the above 3 mentioned guys that Cotto has recently fought. Add to that, Daniel is usually an very (during the course of a fight) active fighter whom also possesses good footwork and movement - some of the traits that Cotto struggled with against Trout and Floyd. However, Geale has been made (asked? Contracted?) to come down to 157, so clearly Roc and Cotto understand that Geale presents as much risk as he is a platform to state that both, Miguel is potentially still in the mix and more importantly, capable of a decent ROI. I think this fight with Geale is not without risk for Cotto. Whether (or not) Geale can hold a shot from Cotto and/or Cotto can utilize Geale's activity to counter punch; is what this fight will come down to in my books. If Geale' rehydrates well, is not too haunted by the 3G KO, feels Cotto has no more "power" that Strum or Sylvester, and sees Cotto struggling with his speed, activity and movement; the fight could be his. If Cotto senses hesitation in Geale and that he can read, time and hurt him - Cotto could win, we may all be in for a great fight, and more importantly we will also all get to see where Cotto now really is. And from that indicator we can then ponder whether or not it is a reliable enough performance by which to reset our (Cotto) boxing compass? Don't count Geale completely out though, not many people travel to Germany and win legitimate world titles there. Geale has done it more than once, against good opposition, natural middleweights, and in some cases, long standing world champions. And of course he (Geale) is an Australian/Olympic boxer; so I am a little bit biased. The guy has taken his time to learn the craft - at both an amateur and professional level - properly. He's a cool kid.
Storm


-stormcentre :

Geale is quite a competent professional fighter. From Cotto and his management's position the fight (with Daniel) makes a lot of sense, for all the reasons we know about. But also, if we look at Cotto's career trajectory things are also not so certain for him either. Add to the mix Roc Nation want that ROI (return on investment) as well, as does any sugar daddy-investor. After Cotto bashed Mayorga and stopped Antonio Margarito, he then fought Floyd. We all know what happened when Cotto fought Floyd, but what Cotto has done after that and whom he has become for it, is not quite so well known and reads like this . . . . . After Floyd Miguel fought; 1) December 2012: Austin Trout at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto lost a unanimous decision. 2) October 2013: Delvin Rodriguez in Florida - result = Cotto wins by TKO in round 3 of 12. 3) June 2013: Sergio Martinez at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto wins by TKO and/or Martinez retiring in 10 of 12. In some senses, Trout almost completely owned and/or embarrassed Miguel; as substantiated by his risky, creative, and successful punch selection/output. The fight with Trout (any explanatory inside story and/or unknown issues with Cotto, aside) indicated that Cotto was way past his prime. Particulary if we consider the caliber of fighter that Austin has struggled with lately. Rodriguez served to keep Cotto relevant after the highly sensationalized loss to Trout. But aside from that he doesn't usually (belong or) operate in the orbit as a guy like Cotto. Martinez - a champion and reflex-oriented but exciting fighter - according to many, was physiologically shot, before the fight. Furthermore, rumors were abound that a part of the fight-contract stipulated that Martinez (whom hadn't had a significant/marquee fight for a while before Cotto, and craved one) could not - after the bout - refer to his leg/knee ailment(s). That (supposed) contractual inclusion was designed to prevent Martinez from diminishing and/or undermining Cotto's proactively assumed success and (supposed) opportunism associated with venturing up to light middleweight and making the Cotto V Martinez fight; whilst Sergio apparently battled with injuries and preparation. Prior to the bout with Cotto, Martinez fought Martin Murray in April 2013; so Martinez had not fought for just over a year when he stepped in with Cotto. So where is Cotto now really and from what indicator do we set our compass and/or allow for compass-error; as we navigate through the murky waters of the welterweight and middleweight boxing world? Let's look at Geale now. Geale has fought for and won world titles against some pretty good natural middleweights that would, perhaps, easily beat some of the above 3 mentioned guys that Cotto has recently fought. My money is certainly on Strum to beat Rodriguez and Trout. Furthermore, Strum would probably give a prime Martinez a good tickle around the ribs and cheeks too; over 12. Sylvester would bash Rodriguez, and trouble - if not beat - Trout; Martinez I am not so sure. Add to all that guff; Daniel is usually a very (during the course of a fight) active fighter - whom also possesses good footwork and movement. Some of those attributes/traits were the same that Cotto struggled with against both Trout and Floyd. However, Geale has been made (asked? contracted?) to come down to 157. So clearly Roc Nation and Cotto understand that Geale - a natural middleweight - presents as much risk as he is possibly a platform to state that both, Miguel is potentially still in the mix and more importantly, capable of a decent ROI. I think this fight with Geale is not without risk for Cotto. Geale is a natural middleweight who has mixed it up with fast-handed fighters that easily outmatch Cotto in that respect. Furthermore, Geale is used to fighting tough guys (as tough as Cotto; but middleweights) over long distances. Whether (or not) Geale can hold a shot from Cotto and/or whether Cotto can utilize Geale's activity to counter punch; is what this fight will come down to in my books. That and if, or how much, Geale's KO loss to Gennady affects him under the big USA lights - which is my bet on precisely what basket all Cotto's eggs are placed in. Cotto is not a natural middleweight. If Geale' rehydrates well, is not too haunted by the 3G KO, feels Cotto has no more "power" than Strum or Sylvester, and if he sees Cotto struggling with his speed, activity and movement; the fight could be Geale's. Aside from the (perhaps tainted) Martinez fight; this is Cotto's first real test at middleweight, and he's opting for a catchweight fight with a guy that is not too far removed from a reasonably serious KO. Sergio would be smirking at Cotto. If Cotto (with Geale) senses hesitation in Geale, and if he can; read, time and hurt him with his punches - Cotto could win. Not only that, we may all be in for a great fight. But, more importantly we will also all get to see where Cotto now really is. And from that we can then, with live and recent data, ponder whether Cotto's performance against Geale is a reliable enough performance indicator to justify resetting our (Cotto) boxing compass, back to where it was before Trout came into the picture? Don't count Geale completely out though. As, not many people travel to Germany and win legitimate world titles there. Geale has done it more than once - against good opposition - against natural middleweights - and in some cases, against natural middleweights that are also long standing world champions. Cotto has not ever done this against middleweights, or for that matter welterweights. And of course he (Geale) is an Australian/Olympic boxer; so perhaps I am a little bit biased. The guy (Geale) has - unlike many Australian professional fighters - taken his time to learn the craft - at both an amateur and professional level - properly. He's a cool kid. If Cotto can't hit Geale as hard as some of Daniel's other German middleweight opponents, and hard enough to make him think twice, Miguel could be in for a hard night.
Storm


-stormcentre :

Geale is quite a competent professional fighter. From Cotto and his management's position the fight (with Daniel) makes a lot of sense, for all the reasons we know about. But also, if we look at Cotto's career trajectory things are also not so certain for him either. Add to the mix Roc Nation want that ROI (return on investment) as well, as does any sugar daddy-investor. After Cotto bashed Mayorga and stopped Antonio Margarito, he then fought Floyd. We all know what happened when Cotto fought Floyd, but what Cotto has done after that and whom he has become for it, is not quite so well known and reads like this . . . . . After Floyd Miguel fought; 1) December 2012: Austin Trout at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto lost a unanimous decision. 2) October 2013: Delvin Rodriguez in Florida - result = Cotto wins by TKO in round 3 of 12. 3) June 2013: Sergio Martinez at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto wins by TKO and/or Martinez retiring in 10 of 12. In some senses, Trout almost completely owned and/or embarrassed Miguel; as substantiated by his risky, creative, and successful punch selection/output. The fight with Trout (any explanatory inside story and/or unknown issues with Cotto, aside) indicated that Cotto was way past his prime. Particulary if we consider the caliber of fighter that Austin has struggled with lately. Rodriguez served to keep Cotto relevant after the highly sensationalized loss to Trout. But aside from that he doesn't usually (belong or) operate in the same orbit as a guy like Cotto. Martinez - a champion and reflex-oriented but exciting fighter - according to many, was physiologically shot, before the fight. Furthermore, rumors were abound that a part of the fight-contract stipulated that Martinez (whom hadn't had a significant/marquee fight for a while before Cotto, and craved one) could not - after the bout - refer to his leg/knee ailment(s). That (supposed) contractual inclusion was designed to prevent Martinez from diminishing and/or undermining Cotto's proactively assumed success and (supposed) opportunism associated with venturing up to light middleweight and making the Cotto V Martinez fight; whilst Sergio apparently battled with injuries and preparation. Prior to the bout with Cotto, Martinez fought Martin Murray in April 2013; so Martinez had not fought for just over a year when he stepped in with Cotto. So where is Cotto now really and from what indicator do we set our compass and/or allow for compass-error; as we navigate through the murky waters of the welterweight and middleweight boxing world? Let's look at Geale now. Geale has fought for and won world titles against some pretty good natural middleweights that would, perhaps, easily beat some of the above 3 mentioned guys that Cotto has recently fought. My money is certainly on Strum to beat Rodriguez and Trout. Furthermore, Strum would probably give a prime Martinez a good tickle around the ribs and cheeks too; over 12. Sylvester would bash Rodriguez, and trouble - if not beat - Trout; Martinez I am not so sure. Add to all that guff; Daniel is usually a very (during the course of a fight) active fighter - whom also possesses good footwork and movement. Some of those attributes/traits were the same that Cotto struggled with against both Trout and Floyd. However, Geale has been made (asked? contracted?) to come down to 157. So clearly Roc Nation and Cotto understand that Geale - a natural middleweight - presents as much risk as he is possibly a platform to state that both, Miguel is potentially still in the mix and more importantly, capable of a decent ROI. But in order to do that Cotto has to successfully defend his light middleweight title and in doing so shed the stigma associated with how he won it and 3G - which is why it all comes back to Geale and as many advantages as Cotto and Roc Nation can design into the deal. Even aside from the fact that team Cotto's game-plan, even at this juncture, appears heavily skewed towards hoping that the pressure Cotto applies will make Geale recall visions of 3G and wilt; I think this fight with Geale is not without risk for Cotto. Geale is a natural middleweight who has mixed it up with fast-handed fighters that easily outmatch Cotto in that respect. Furthermore, Geale is used to fighting tough guys (as tough as Cotto; but middleweights) over long distances. Whether (or not) Geale can hold a shot from Cotto and/or whether Cotto can utilize Geale's activity to counter punch; is what this fight will come down to in my books. That and if, or how much, Geale's KO loss to Gennady affects him under the big USA lights - which is my bet on precisely what basket all Cotto's eggs are placed in. Cotto is not a natural middleweight. If Geale' rehydrates well, is not too haunted by the 3G KO, feels Cotto has no more "power" than Strum or Sylvester, and if he sees Cotto struggling with his speed, activity and movement; the fight could be Geale's. Aside from the (perhaps tainted) Martinez fight; this is Cotto's first real test at middleweight, and he's opting for a catchweight fight with a guy that is not too far removed from a reasonably serious KO. Sergio would be smirking at Cotto. If Cotto (with Geale) senses hesitation in Geale, and if he can; read, time and hurt him with his punches - Cotto could win. Not only that, we may all be in for a great fight. But, more importantly we will also all get to see where Cotto now really is. And from that we can then, with live and recent data, ponder whether Cotto's performance against Geale is a reliable enough performance indicator to justify resetting our (Cotto) boxing compass, back to where it was before Trout came into the picture? Don't count Geale completely out though. As, not many people travel to Germany and win legitimate world titles there. Geale has done it more than once - against good opposition - against natural middleweights - and in some cases, against natural middleweights that are also long standing world champions. Cotto has not ever done this against middleweights, or for that matter welterweights. And of course he (Geale) is an Australian/Olympic boxer; so perhaps I am a little bit biased. The guy (Geale) has - unlike many Australian professional fighters - taken his time to learn the craft - at both an amateur and professional level - properly. He's a cool kid. If Cotto can't hit Geale as hard as some of Daniel's other German middleweight opponents, and hard enough to make him think twice, Miguel could be in for a hard night.
Storm


-stormcentre :

Geale is quite a competent professional fighter. From Cotto and his management's position the fight (with Daniel) makes a lot of sense, for all the reasons we know about. But also, if we look at Cotto's career trajectory things are also not so certain for him either. Add to the mix Roc Nation want that ROI (return on investment) as well, as does any sugar daddy-investor. After Cotto bashed Mayorga and stopped Antonio Margarito, he then fought Floyd. We all know what happened when Cotto fought Floyd, but what Cotto has done after that and whom he has become for it, is not quite so well known and reads like this . . . . . After Floyd Miguel fought; 1) December 2012: Austin Trout at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto lost a unanimous decision. 2) October 2013: Delvin Rodriguez in Florida - result = Cotto wins by TKO in round 3 of 12. 3) June 2013: Sergio Martinez at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto wins by TKO and/or Martinez retiring in 10 of 12. In some senses, Trout almost completely owned and/or embarrassed Miguel; as substantiated by his risky, creative, and successful punch selection/output. The fight with Trout (any explanatory inside story and/or unknown issues with Cotto, aside) indicated that Cotto was way past his prime. Particulary if we consider the caliber of fighter that Austin has struggled with lately. Rodriguez served to keep Cotto relevant after the highly sensationalized loss to Trout. But aside from that he doesn't usually (belong or) operate in the same orbit as a guy like Cotto. Martinez - a champion and reflex-oriented but exciting fighter - according to many, was physiologically shot, before the fight. Furthermore, rumors were abound that a part of the fight-contract stipulated that Martinez (whom hadn't had a significant/marquee fight for a while before Cotto, and craved one) could not - after the bout - refer to his leg/knee ailment(s). That (supposed) contractual inclusion was designed to prevent Martinez from diminishing and/or undermining Cotto's proactively assumed success and (supposed) opportunism associated with venturing up to light middleweight and making the Cotto V Martinez fight; whilst Sergio apparently battled with injuries and preparation. Prior to the bout with Cotto, Martinez fought Martin Murray in April 2013; so Martinez had not fought for just over a year when he stepped in with Cotto. So where is Cotto now really and from what indicator do we set our compass and/or allow for compass-error; as we navigate through the murky waters of the welterweight and middleweight boxing world? Let's look at Geale now. Geale has fought for and won world titles against some pretty good natural middleweights that would, perhaps, easily beat some of the above 3 mentioned guys that Cotto has recently fought. My money is certainly on Strum to beat Rodriguez and Trout. Furthermore, Strum would probably give a prime Martinez a good tickle around the ribs and cheeks too; over 12. Sylvester would bash Rodriguez, and trouble - if not beat - Trout; Martinez I am not so sure. Add to all that guff; Daniel is usually a very (during the course of a fight) active fighter - whom also possesses good footwork and movement. Some of those attributes/traits were the same that Cotto struggled with against both Trout and Floyd. However, Geale has been made (asked? contracted?) to come down to 157. So clearly Roc Nation and Cotto understand that Geale - a natural middleweight - presents as much risk as he is possibly a platform to state that both, Miguel is potentially still in the mix and more importantly, capable of a decent ROI. But in order to do that Cotto has to successfully defend his light middleweight title and in doing so shed the stigma associated with how he won it and 3G - which is why it all comes back to Geale and as many advantages as Cotto and Roc Nation can design into the deal. Even aside from the fact that team Cotto's game-plan, even at this juncture, appears heavily skewed towards hoping that the pressure Cotto applies will make Geale recall visions of 3G and wilt; I think this fight with Geale is not without risk for Cotto. Geale is a natural middleweight who has mixed it up with fast-handed fighters that easily outmatch Cotto in that respect. Furthermore, Geale is used to fighting tough guys (as tough as Cotto; but middleweights) over long distances. Whether (or not) Geale can hold a shot from Cotto and/or whether Cotto can utilize Geale's activity to counter punch; is what this fight will come down to in my books. That and if, or how much, Geale's KO loss to Gennady affects him under the big USA lights - which is my bet on precisely what basket all Cotto's eggs are placed in. Cotto is not a natural middleweight. If Geale' rehydrates well, is not too haunted by the 3G KO, feels Cotto has no more "power" than Strum or Sylvester, and if he sees Cotto struggling with his speed, activity and movement; the fight could be Geale's. Aside from the (perhaps tainted) Martinez fight; this is Cotto's first real test at middleweight, and he's opting for a catchweight fight with a guy that is not too far removed from a reasonably serious KO. Sergio would be smirking at Cotto. If Cotto (with Geale) senses hesitation in Geale, and if he can; read, time and hurt him with his punches - Cotto could win. Not only that, we may all be in for a great fight. But, more importantly we will also all get to see where Cotto now really is. And from that we can then, with live and recent data, ponder whether Cotto's performance against Geale is a reliable enough performance indicator to justify resetting our (Cotto) boxing compass, back to where it was before Trout came into the picture? Don't count Geale completely out though. As, not many people travel to Germany and win legitimate world titles there. Geale has done it more than once - against good opposition - against natural middleweights - and in some cases, against natural middleweights that are also long standing world champions. Cotto has not ever done this against middleweights, or for that matter welterweights. And of course he (Geale) is an Australian/Olympic boxer; so perhaps I am a little bit biased. The guy (Geale) has - unlike many Australian professional fighters - taken his time to learn the craft - at both an amateur and professional level - properly. He's a cool kid. If Cotto can't hit Geale as hard as some of Daniel's other German middleweight opponents, and hard enough to make him think twice, Miguel could be in for a hard night.
Storm


-stormcentre :

Geale is quite a competent professional fighter. From Cotto and his management's position the fight (with Daniel) makes a lot of sense, for all the reasons we know about. But also, if we look at Cotto's career trajectory things are also not so certain for him either. Add to the mix Roc Nation want that ROI (return on investment) as well, as does any sugar daddy-investor. After Cotto bashed Mayorga and stopped Antonio Margarito, he then fought Floyd. We all know what happened when Cotto fought Floyd, but what Cotto has done after that and whom he has become for it, is not quite so well known and reads like this . . . . . After Floyd Miguel fought; 1) December 2012: Austin Trout at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto lost a unanimous decision. 2) October 2013: Delvin Rodriguez in Florida - result = Cotto wins by TKO in round 3 of 12. 3) June 2013: Sergio Martinez at the Madison Square Garden, New York - result = Cotto wins by TKO and/or Martinez retiring in 10 of 12. In some senses, Trout almost completely owned and/or embarrassed Miguel; as substantiated by his risky, creative, and successful punch selection/output. The fight with Trout (any explanatory inside story and/or unknown issues with Cotto, aside) indicated that Cotto was way past his prime. Particulary if we consider the caliber of fighter that Austin has struggled with lately. Rodriguez served to keep Cotto relevant after the highly sensationalized loss to Trout. But aside from that he doesn't usually (belong or) operate in the same orbit as a guy like Cotto. Martinez - a champion and reflex-oriented but exciting fighter - according to many, was physiologically shot, before the fight. Furthermore, rumors were abound that a part of the fight-contract stipulated that Martinez (whom hadn't had a significant/marquee fight for a while before Cotto, and craved one) could not - after the bout - refer to his leg/knee ailment(s). That (supposed) contractual inclusion was designed to prevent Martinez from diminishing and/or undermining Cotto's proactively assumed success and (supposed) opportunism associated with venturing up to light middleweight and making the Cotto V Martinez fight; whilst Sergio apparently battled with injuries and preparation. Prior to the bout with Cotto, Martinez fought Martin Murray in April 2013; so Martinez had not fought for just over a year when he stepped in with Cotto. So where is Cotto now really and from what indicator do we set our compass and/or allow for compass-error; as we navigate through the murky waters of the welterweight and middleweight boxing world? Let's look at Geale now. Geale has fought for and won world titles against some pretty good natural middleweights that would, perhaps, easily beat some of the above 3 mentioned guys that Cotto has recently fought. My money is certainly on Strum to beat Rodriguez and Trout. Furthermore, Strum would probably give a prime Martinez a good tickle around the ribs and cheeks too; over 12. Sylvester would bash Rodriguez, and trouble - if not beat - Trout; Martinez I am not so sure. Add to all that guff; Daniel is usually a very (during the course of a fight) active fighter - whom also possesses good footwork and movement. Some of those attributes/traits were the same that Cotto struggled with against both Trout and Floyd. However, Geale has been made (asked? contracted?) to come down to 157. So clearly Roc Nation and Cotto understand that Geale - a natural middleweight - presents as much risk as he is possibly a platform to state that both, Miguel is potentially still in the mix and more importantly, capable of a decent ROI. But in order to do that Cotto has to successfully defend his light middleweight title and in doing so both shed the stigma associated with why/how he won it from Martinez and also somehow - without actually doing it - deal with (the monster that looms and casts a shadow over Cotto as a middleweight, that is) 3G. Which is why it all comes back to Geale and as many advantages as Cotto and Roc Nation can design into the deal. Even aside from the fact that team Cotto's game-plan, even at this juncture, appears heavily skewed towards hoping that the pressure Cotto applies will make Geale recall visions of 3G and wilt; I think this fight with Geale is not without risk for Cotto. Geale is a natural middleweight who has mixed it up with fast-handed fighters that easily outmatch Cotto in that respect. Furthermore, Geale is used to fighting tough guys (as tough as Cotto; but middleweights) over long distances. Whether (or not) Geale can hold a shot from Cotto and/or whether Cotto can utilize Geale's activity to counter punch; is what this fight will come down to in my books. That and if, or how much, Geale's KO loss to Gennady affects him under the big USA lights - which is my bet on precisely what basket all Cotto's eggs are placed in. Cotto is not a natural middleweight. If Geale' rehydrates well, is not too haunted by the 3G KO, feels Cotto has no more "power" than Strum or Sylvester, and if he sees Cotto struggling with his speed, activity and movement; the fight could be Geale's. Aside from the (perhaps tainted) Martinez fight; this is Cotto's first real test at middleweight, and he's opting for a catchweight fight with a guy that is not too far removed from a reasonably serious KO. Sergio would be smirking at Cotto. If Cotto (with Geale) senses hesitation in Geale, and if he can; read, time and hurt him with his punches - Cotto could win. Not only that, we may all be in for a great fight. But, more importantly we will also all get to see where Cotto now really is. And from that we can then, with live and recent data, ponder whether Cotto's performance against Geale is a reliable enough performance indicator to justify resetting our (Cotto) boxing compass, back to where it was before Trout came into the picture? Don't count Geale completely out though. As, not many people travel to Germany and win legitimate world titles there. Geale has done it more than once - against good opposition - against natural middleweights - and in some cases, against natural middleweights that are also long standing world champions. Cotto has not ever done this against middleweights, or for that matter welterweights. And of course he (Geale) is an Australian/Olympic boxer; so perhaps I am a little bit biased. The guy (Geale) has - unlike many Australian professional fighters - taken his time to learn the craft - at both an amateur and professional level - properly. He's a cool kid. If Cotto can't hit Geale as hard as some of Daniel's other German middleweight opponents, and hard enough to make him think twice, Miguel could be in for a hard night.
Storm


-oubobcat :

I must admit after giving it some thought that I like this fight. And I like it for a couple reasons. First, from all reports HBO agreed to this fight under the condition that if both Canelo and Cotto win that we see them fight in the fall. Unfortunately, this fight did not happen as soon as we wanted it to happen. I was concerned it might not happen for some time. But if they both win, we get that fight. So that is good. And Geale is no slouch. A lot of people are judging him solely based off the Golovkin and Barker fights. Golovkin is something special both with his power and skill. Geale losing in dominant fashion was what a lot of people were expecting and the same people were saying that Geale was also the best fighter Golokvin faced going into that fight as well as being a top Middleweight contender. Golovkin is the most avoided and feared fighter in the sport today. It says a lot that Geale was willing to get in the ring and give it his all in that fight albeit a losing effort. To me, Geale is still a top Middleweight contender. He can't compete with Golovkin but who can including Cotto at Middleweight? As for the Barker fight, remember Barker came into that fight an improved fighter after losing to Sergio Martinez and one determined man to win a belt. It was a really good fight and a really close fight. I was in the arena that night and thought Geale won with the knockdown of Barker in round 6 being the difference. Geale is a legit Middleweight who can fight. He has really good skills and is very technically sound. If he can use his legs and box, and I think he can, he can give Cotto problems. Cotto has not fared well in the past against those who can move and use their legs. Also, Cotto is not a natural Middleweight. His power won't be anywhere near what Geale felt against Golovkin. The one thing I wonder is about the 157 catchweight and how much that could weaken Geale. I have always said Cotto is a smart businessman and he knows that Geale is at the point in his career where a lot of fighters end of moving up in weight and not down. My early forecast...Geale uses his legs and wins the early rounds but loses steam as the fight progresses. His punches also lose steam and Cotto lands the more eye catching shots late in the fight. We see a very close fight that a lot of people will argue that Geale wins but the judges end up siding with Cotto with a tight and controversial unanimous decision.


-amayseng :

I must admit after giving it some thought that I like this fight. And I like it for a couple reasons. First, from all reports HBO agreed to this fight under the condition that if both Canelo and Cotto win that we see them fight in the fall. Unfortunately, this fight did not happen as soon as we wanted it to happen. I was concerned it might not happen for some time. But if they both win, we get that fight. So that is good. And Geale is no slouch. A lot of people are judging him solely based off the Golovkin and Barker fights. Golovkin is something special both with his power and skill. Geale losing in dominant fashion was what a lot of people were expecting and the same people were saying that Geale was also the best fighter Golokvin faced going into that fight as well as being a top Middleweight contender. Golovkin is the most avoided and feared fighter in the sport today. It says a lot that Geale was willing to get in the ring and give it his all in that fight albeit a losing effort. To me, Geale is still a top Middleweight contender. He can't compete with Golovkin but who can including Cotto at Middleweight? As for the Barker fight, remember Barker came into that fight an improved fighter after losing to Sergio Martinez and one determined man to win a belt. It was a really good fight and a really close fight. I was in the arena that night and thought Geale won with the knockdown of Barker in round 6 being the difference. Geale is a legit Middleweight who can fight. He has really good skills and is very technically sound. If he can use his legs and box, and I think he can, he can give Cotto problems. Cotto has not fared well in the past against those who can move and use their legs. Also, Cotto is not a natural Middleweight. His power won't be anywhere near what Geale felt against Golovkin. The one thing I wonder is about the 157 catchweight and how much that could weaken Geale. I have always said Cotto is a smart businessman and he knows that Geale is at the point in his career where a lot of fighters end of moving up in weight and not down. My early forecast...Geale uses his legs and wins the early rounds but loses steam as the fight progresses. His punches also lose steam and Cotto lands the more eye catching shots late in the fight. We see a very close fight that a lot of people will argue that Geale wins but the judges end up siding with Cotto with a tight and controversial unanimous decision.
Geale has not fought at 158 in 8 years. Cotto has drained his opponent for the lineal mw title. Lineal . Unacceptable


-brownsugar :

I hate to sound like a manager....its my least interesting thing about the sport. But honestly Cotto had better leave Geale alone and go straight for Canelo. Geale is a tough out and its a fight most american casual fans like me could care less about.... Leave that croc basking on his rock and make the Canelo fight. Fight smarter not harder. This whole rumor could possibly be a barganing chip.


-oubobcat :

Geale has not fought at 158 in 8 years. Cotto has drained his opponent for the lineal mw title. Lineal . Unacceptable
The catchweight is bothersome, I do admit. As far as lineal titles go, well on paper yes Cotto is the lineal title holder. But make no mistake about it that Golovkin is the champ and the fans know it. The situation reminds me of when Foreman regained the heavyweight title. He then fought the likes of Axel Shultz, Crawford Grimsely and Lou Savarese in the course of a few years. Yes he was lineal champ but others during that era (Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis) had really surpassed him in the heavyweight division. Foreman was defending the lineal title but there was never any buzz around the fights he was having as being for the real heavyweight title. The same thing is happening with Cotto/Golovkin. I understand you can't be stripped of the lineal title but more or less Cotto has lost that title in the eyes of the public much like Foreman did back in the 90's without having lost a fight. And of course remember what happened with the Foreman situation. He got hosed in a decision against Shannon Briggs who then took the lineage. Briggs then fought Lennox Lewis in Atlantic City and guess who coming in the ring that night was considered champion. Not Briggs. And the matter worked itself out with Lewis stopping Briggs that night.


-Radam G :

Wow! This so-called catch-weight fighting is a part of the game. It has been going on since da game's debut almost 5,000 years ago when there were no established weight divisions. Nowadays -- with 22 weight divisions -- we have catch-weight fighting on da reg. Da game is da game. And having catch-weight fighting ain't lame. It must all be what is in a name? Forever da game has been da same. In da real real in da actuality of da reality, Queensberry's Rule has just eight weight divisions. And ain't nobodee and his nephew going back to that. Holla!