Andrade Pulls Out of Dec. 13 Bout With Jermell Charlo

This is a bit of a weird one, even for boxing. Demetrius Andrade (26-0 with 14 KOs; age 26) is rising in prominence, with the feeling among many smarts that Rhode Island hitter could and should be a more featured player in the game.

The boxer apparently feels the same way, and wants higher billing and mo money…and he sent word about his disapleasure by making himself unavailable for a fight he’d been booked for, on Dec. 13, against Jermell Charlo.

This seems another case of what has become a signature of this year in boxing…Andrade seems caught in a swirl between his ambitions, his worth, his promoters, his management, broadcast entities, etc. We hear that he’s looking to perhaps cement a new deal with another company which he thinks properly appreciates his talent.

So when and where and for who he next fights, is, I think, in flux. Meanwhile, here’s the release Showtime sent out touching on the no-longer-on-the-slate Andrade/Charlo bout.

DEMETRIUS ANDRADE UNAVAILABLE FOR DEC. 13 TITLE DEFENSE AGAINST JERMELL CHARLO

NEW YORK(Nov. 17, 2014) – Golden Boy Promotions and Showtime have been informed that WBO Junior Middleweight World Champion Demetrius Andrade is unavailable for his scheduled world title defense against Jermell Charlo on Saturday, Dec. 13 on SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

At this time, it is unclear whether Andrade vs. Charlo will be rescheduled for a later date. Discussions are ongoing, and additional details will be announced as soon as they are finalized.

The SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING telecast will be headlined by the welterweight showdown between Amir Khan and Devon Alexander with a co-feature pitting Interim WBA Welterweight World Champion Keith Thurman against undefeated challenger Leonard Bundu.

Abner Mares and Victor Ortiz are also scheduled to appear on Dec. 13 in separate bouts. Additional details about the live SHOWTIME and SHOWTIME EXTREME telecasts will be announced shortly.

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COMMENTS

-deepwater2 :

Andrade was getting $300,000 for the fight. That is not chump change. He has been fed an easy resume of fights up until the Vanes fight,so I am not sure why he is complaining. Charlo is a huge risk but champions are supposed to take risks to get ahead. Wasn't he going to fight for the 160 title and pulled out of that one too? Not sure what is going through his mind but he needs to win a big fight or two before he demands more money. Shoot, Kovalev just fought Hopkins for $500,000 and that was a big risk and way bigger names in that fight. Now that Kovalev came out with the win he will be rewarded for the risk he took. Andrade + risks= bigger pay days. Its a simple formula.


-Radam G :

Immaturity and paranoia are going through his mind. He needs a psychologist, a boxing-life coach, to stay off the sugar and stay away from homies giving him sidewalk advice, instead of business boxing advice. The pugvine says that these light-skinned black pugs -- all but Keith Thurman -- are straight-up wildin' BUGGIN!' And don't hate the messenger. Hate the message. Andrade and Texan James "The Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland "got da light-skinned idis." Whatever in puck dat is. I'm not in da know. Or even in the loop of the poop to get a scoop. Dudes, out there that know, why don't blow. Drop us some knowledge of your opinion. Holla!


-Carmine Cas :

Kids these days smh. As you guys stated, he seems to have a sense of entitlement. And the Charlo fight was a good step forward in the right direction. He definitely has people in his ear telling him otherwise.


-Carmine Cas :

According to Paul Andrade "We're the only legitimate titleholder on the whole card and everyone else is making more than us? That's not right, I'm glad they're all getting paid. I really am, but pay us too. The fight's off. (DeGuardia and Pelullo) put themselves and us in a bad situation. 300K is nothing to scoff at


-deepwater2 :

According to Paul Andrade "We're the only legitimate titleholder on the whole card and everyone else is making more than us? That's not right, I'm glad they're all getting paid. I really am, but pay us too. The fight's off. (DeGuardia and Pelullo) put themselves and us in a bad situation. 300K is nothing to scoff at
300k is better then 0. Even though he is a belt holder he doesn't have the prestige to make outrageous demands yet.


-Radam G :

300k is better then 0. Even though he is a belt holder he doesn't have the prestige to make outrageous demands yet.
Somebody outside his small circle ought to tell him that. He believes that he is the second coming of a mixture of GOAT Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Clearly Charlo presented a risk that was to the value of more than $300K to Andrade. Case closed.


-SouthPawFlo :

Bad move in my opinion... But he was initially supposed to "HeadLine" a bout on that date, but he walked out on a lot of money, so hopefully he has a bigger plan in store...


-Radam G :

Nothing is in store. Maybe he is going West to hang out with James "The Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland. I'm telling you, man! They both have head problems. And have hung out before in Cali until their paranoia died down against those that are close to them. Common, SPF! You know a bit about the psyche of a moody, immature, paranoid pug. Holla!


-oubobcat :

Nothing is in store. Maybe he is going West to hand out with James "The Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland. I'm telling you, man! They both have head problems. And have hung out before in Cali until their paranoia died down against those that are close to them. Common, SPF! You know a bit about the psyche of a moody, immature, paranoid pug. Holla!
Maybe Kirkland is giving him career advice... This is a terrible move by Andrade. The Kovalev example above is perfect. 300k to fight Charlo is more than fair and a statement win by Andrade sets him up for bigger prize fights down the line. In this sport, you have to take some risks at some point and though this is a risky fight he would have been making very good money with potential for high reward. Kovalev didn't balk over his 500k for his risky fight and now he is set to make some mega bucks in the coming years. Andrade's team also did petition the WBO to get him in line to fight for that Middleweight title against Korobov and the WBO agreed. But then his "team" changed their mind and went in a different direction. Andrade is talented but does not have the drawing power to command major purses yet. He needs to earn his way into those bigger prize fights and beating Vanes Martirosyan in a bad fight and then dominated an over matched Brian Rose does not cut it for 500/600k paydays at this time. He needs to think about this and then come crawling back on his hands and knees to Showtime begging they reschedule for the 300k originally offered.


-The Shadow :

Immaturity and paranoia are going through his mind. He needs a psychologist, a boxing-life coach, to stay off the sugar and stay away from homies giving him sidewalk advice, instead of business boxing advice. The pugvine says that these light-skinned black pugs -- all but Keith Thurman -- are straight-up wildin' BUGGIN!' And don't hate the messenger. Hate the message. Andrade and Texan James "The Mandingo Warrior" Kirkland "got da light-skinned idis." Whatever in puck dat is. I'm not in da know. Or even in the loop of the poop to get a scoop. Dudes, out there that know, why don't blow. Drop us some knowledge of your opinion. Holla!
We already know the deal with Andrade. He has an assistant trainer on staff (Andre Rozier) whose sole job it is to tell him how great he is. His inflated ego couldn't stand the honesty of Virgil Hunter. In his defense, however, he never signed for this fight. He never wanted to fight Charlo. And he has a SHO contract in place so he can fight someone else. For the second part of your comment, I'm a "light skin dude." I've heard about this nonsense. I don't know what it's about.


-Radam G :

We already know the deal with Andrade. He has an assistant trainer on staff (Andre Rozier) whose sole job it is to tell him how great he is. His inflated ego couldn't stand the honesty of Virgil Hunter. In his defense, however, he never signed for this fight. He never wanted to fight Charlo. And he has a SHO contract in place so he can fight someone else. For the second part of your comment, I'm a "light skin dude." I've heard about this nonsense. I don't know what it's about.
But you are not Amerkano reared. They tell me that only AmerKanos would know what's up with "light skin." But when I ask, they don't know. Then I'm told that the person is not "black black" -- meaning reared on mainland USA since slavery with origins from the South USA. There so many dynamics in the physical, mental, psychological and cultural makeup of boxers. People who are not in the loop or the poop don't have a scoop. Holla!


-Pazuzu :

Andrade's out? I bet Kelsey McCarson would step up. Seriously, McCarson is supporting a good cause. Help him help Corbin Glassock.
->http://www.GoFundMe.com/TeamCorbin


-amayseng :

300k is better then 0. Even though he is a belt holder he doesn't have the prestige to make outrageous demands yet.
Exactly, put on a tremendous and exciting performance and the money will come. Or bitch and complain and bail on the fight and let people think you are a clown and don't make a dollar, what do I know?!


-brownsugar :

3 and a half weeks ago, Andrade's story was exactly the same as it is today. He expressed some justifiable irritation when he woke up one morning to find out he was volunteered to defend his title against Charlo on the undercard of the Alexander Khan fight. previously Andrade also expressed the same irritation regarding the publically announced story that he was scheduled to fight Korobov approximately three months ago....... Andrade maintained even then the fight was being publicized before he even received notification. Personally i regard the Charlo / Andrade fight as the best fight on the entire show(as well as Andrade and his dad).........but to add Andrade's and Charlo's name to the hand bill as well the tickets and posters before the contract is signed violates every sound standard operating procedure associated with good business practices. Well maybe not the chronically loose standards of Boxing of course, but Andrade and his father have both raised their concerns for having this fight publically announced before the details were hammered out. Andrade and Charlo are both the most talented fighters on the card...in addition to this Andrade's has a title trinket which both Alexander and Khan lack...and they both lack what Alexander and Khan both have...which is losses on their records. Andrade's father maintain the asking price was $250,000.... and even though they went along with the idea of doing the fight... They were dissatisfied with the price for one of the best matchups available today at 154lbs That's why athletes are always pushing for more money. Their value is tied to their physical prowess during physical prime .... If they don't place a high value on their services while they are at their best....no one else will. No one else has the right to determine what the fighters worth is to himself.


-Radam G :

3 and a half weeks ago, Andrade's story was exactly the same as it is today. He expressed some justifiable irritation when he woke up one morning to find out he was volunteered to defend his title against Charlo on the undercard of the Alexander Khan fight. previously Andrade also expressed the same irritation regarding the publically announced story that he was scheduled to fight Korobov approximately three months ago....... Andrade maintained even then the fight was being publicized before he even received notification. Personally i regard the Charlo / Andrade fight as the best fight on the entire show(as well as Andrade and his dad).........but to add Andrade's and Charlo's name to the hand bill as well the tickets and posters before the contract is signed violates every sound standard operating procedure associated with good business practices. Well maybe not the chronically loose standards of Boxing of course, but Andrade and his father have both raised their concerns for having this fight publically announced before the details were hammered out. Andrade and Charlo are both the most talented fighters on the card...in addition to this Andrade's has a title trinket which both Alexander and Khan lack...and they both lack what Alexander and Khan both have...which is losses on their records. Andrade's father maintain the asking price was $250,000.... and even though they went along with the idea of doing the fight... They were dissatisfied with the price for one of the best matchups available today at 154lbs That's why athletes are always pushing for more money. Their value is tied to their physical prowess during physical prime .... If they don't place a high value on their services while they are at their best....no one else will. No one else has the right to determine what the fighters worth is to himself.
Sorry, B-Sug! But it doesn't work that way. You pay and play from negotiations first. Nobody decides what his value is. It is something that is always negotiated by paying dues. And more dues and negotiations. That is just the game and life. And even Money May does it. And does it well with the help of his agent tsAH. Holla!


-amayseng :

3 and a half weeks ago, Andrade's story was exactly the same as it is today. He expressed some justifiable irritation when he woke up one morning to find out he was volunteered to defend his title against Charlo on the undercard of the Alexander Khan fight. previously Andrade also expressed the same irritation regarding the publically announced story that he was scheduled to fight Korobov approximately three months ago....... Andrade maintained even then the fight was being publicized before he even received notification. Personally i regard the Charlo / Andrade fight as the best fight on the entire show(as well as Andrade and his dad).........but to add Andrade's and Charlo's name to the hand bill as well the tickets and posters before the contract is signed violates every sound standard operating procedure associated with good business practices. Well maybe not the chronically loose standards of Boxing of course, but Andrade and his father have both raised their concerns for having this fight publically announced before the details were hammered out. Andrade and Charlo are both the most talented fighters on the card...in addition to this Andrade's has a title trinket which both Alexander and Khan lack...and they both lack what Alexander and Khan both have...which is losses on their records. Andrade's father maintain the asking price was $250,000.... and even though they went along with the idea of doing the fight... They were dissatisfied with the price for one of the best matchups available today at 154lbs That's why athletes are always pushing for more money. Their value is tied to their physical prowess during physical prime .... If they don't place a high value on their services while they are at their best....no one else will. No one else has the right to determine what the fighters worth is to himself.
Then he should not have signed the contract until he was agreeable to it. Now he looks unreliable.


-The Shadow :

Then he should not have signed the contract until he was agreeable to it. Now he looks unreliable.
From what I heard, he never signed it. They just announced it. (Which, due to the business model, isn't all "that" unusual in boxing, believe it or not.) It's kinda like the Gamboa/Rios situation. The promoters expected the fighters to go along with it because they hold the fighter's destiny in their hands. Fighters don't have the money, the promoters do. If they did, they wouldn't need the promoter. Because of that leverage, they naturally expect fighters to comply. Without going through with the fight, they can't make a living. So often, you see promoters just making fights, even announcing them -- England's Frank Warren is NOTORIOUS for this -- and fighters just go through with it without following "every sound standard operating procedure associated with good business practices" or sometimes without legal counsel! (I love that phrase, Brownsugar.) Don King used to bring guys to meetings -- actually he still did it as of 2012, from one firsthand account -- at his Deerfield Beach offices where he would instruct a fighter NOT to bring a lawyer. IF a guy were to request a lawyer present, he would try his trademark mafia methods to strong arm the guys into signing contracts. "If you don't sign this right there's no deal." His promoter Joe DiGuardia is, ummm, how shall we say, a bit on the grabby side. He sees the money, he jumps. At the end of the day, we keep saying the fighter should stand up for himself and demand the right fights. Andrade never wanted this fight. Nobody wanted to hear him. They figured he would come back around once the dollar signs popped up. What Joe perhaps forgot was that the leverage he had as promoter was minimized once SHO invested money into a multi-fight deal. In addition, Andrade's a titleholder, fringe trinket or not. Andrade's gonna make that money regardless. He's a titleholder regardless. And he never agreed to the fight. As I'm sure the Commish can attest to, there are few things these promoters dislike more than a fighter with leverage who's decided to be active in the business matters. They don't want that Django work.


-Radam G :

Sorry! But Andrade is indeed illing when he ought to be chilling. He doesn't have the leverage, juice or big guns that he is hallucinating that he has. He ain't all dat and a small bag of chips yet. Right now, he is just a fighter. And they come a dime a dozen. Andrade is walking on shaky grounds. And will be shelfed in a New York minute and cashed out with a robbery. Holla!


-The Shadow :

Sorry! But Andrade is indeed illing when he ought to be chilling. He doesn't have the leverage, juice or big guns that he is hallucinating that he has. He ain't all dat and a small bag of chips yet. Right now, he is just a fighter. And they come a dime a dozen. Andrade is walking on shaky grounds. And will be shelfed in a New York minute and cashed out with a robbery. Holla!
No, he doesn't have the juice he thinks but he has enough to not be forced into a fight he doesn't want. And that's what we're seeing. The last part of your comment, I can DEFINITELY see that. To a promoter, there's no greater remedy to that Django work than to kill him off/cash him out with a theft. Joe doesn't have enough fighters, though, so he has to play ball. Had this been Top Rank, on the other hand, or even King in his heyday, dude woulda been robbed in his very next outing. Blatantly! Just to prove a point and send a message to others guys thinking about Djangoing.


-Radam G :

No, he doesn't have the juice he thinks but he has enough to not be forced into a fight he doesn't want. And that's what we're seeing. The last part of your comment, I can DEFINITELY see that. To a promoter, there's no greater remedy to that Django work than to kill him off/cash him out with a theft. Joe doesn't have enough fighters, though, so he has to play ball. Had this been Top Rank, on the other hand, or even King in his heyday, dude woulda been robbed in his very next outing. Blatantly! Just to prove a point and send a message to others guys thinking about Djangoing.
Nothing is ever as it seems in this shady game. And Boo Boo will be made to see the very hard way. He doesn't have a clue. You don't chase or fight waterfalls. Imma have to holla at this Django character of my boy Jame Foxx. I've never saw the movie yet. But I hear that character referred to quite a bit. Holla!


-The Shadow :

Nothing is ever as it seems in this shady game. And Boo Boo will be made to see the very hard way. He doesn't have a clue. You don't chase or fight waterfalls. Imma have to holla at this Django character of my boy Jame Foxx. I've never saw the movie yet. But I hear that character referred to quite a bit. Holla!
In the movie, Foxx plays a slave who successfully revolts against his former slave master with furious vengeance in his quest for (what he considers) justice. Django's aided by an Austrian white man with no skin in the slavery game, who's also quite oblivious to the cultural and hegemenous/binary power relations inherent in its construction. Initially, after being freed from slavery by the Austrian, Django is ignorant about his rights and capabilities as a free man. However, under the tutelage of his advisor/confidante Dr. Schultz, Django quickly gets schooled to the game. Eventually, Django learns to fight fire with fire -- literally -- resulting in not just his freedom but retribution as well. Thought it was an apt analogy. Hehehe. NO promoter wants that Django work. (And it's a great movie, though it's very over the top and has little to no historicity. They bump Rick Ross in the middle of the movie and use modern AAVE. LOL.) I don't see Boo Boo having a confidante of this nature to set him free. But I don't see Joe having the pull -- or the incentive -- to punish him either.


-brownsugar :

Then he should not have signed the contract until he was agreeable to it. Now he looks unreliable.
That's the point ....a contract was never signed but tickets were actually being sold and advertised with his face on the poster before negotiations were finalized. Ticket buyers were outraged. But its not anyone's fault except the promoters.


-brownsugar :

In the movie, Foxx plays a slave who successfully revolts against his former slave master with furious vengeance in his quest for (what he considers) justice. Django's aided by an Austrian white man with no skin in the slavery game, who's also quite oblivious to the cultural and hegemenous/binary power relations inherent in its construction. Initially, after being freed from slavery by the Austrian, Django is ignorant about his rights and capabilities as a free man. However, under the tutelage of his advisor/confidante Dr. Schultz, Django quickly gets schooled to the game. Eventually, Django learns to fight fire with fire -- literally -- resulting in not just his freedom but retribution as well. Thought it was an apt analogy. Hehehe. NO promoter wants that Django work. (And it's a great movie, though it's very over the top and has little to no historicity. They bump Rick Ross in the middle of the movie and use modern AAVE. LOL.) I don't see Boo Boo having a confidante of this nature to set him free. But I don't see Joe having the pull -- or the incentive -- to punish him either.
Very apt analogy Shadow.


-amayseng :

That's the point ....a contract was never signed but tickets were actually being sold and advertised with his face on the poster before negotiations were finalized. Ticket buyers were outraged. But its not anyone's fault except the promoters.
My bad I had no idea.. It's a sham then and I put no blame on Andrade unless he entered into a verbal agreement. He is however missing a good opportunity.