BORGES: Manny-Mosley Is Why Boxing Has Slipped

BY Ron Borges ON December 22, 2010
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So you’re a boxing fan who wants to know how UFC ever took over the combat sports’ arena? Go ask Bob Arum.

There are many reasons why mixed martial arts have left boxing in the dust among young fans over the past couple of years but the clearest is this – UFC makes the fights its fans want. Boxing makes the fights its promoters want.

In UFC the business is about pleasing the fans. In boxing the business is about giving the business to your promotional rivals.

That is how boxing ended up with Manny Pacquiao, the best fighter in the world, matched against aged Shane Mosley, who has done nothing to win this opportunity except the thing that matters most to Arum – which is walking away from Oscar De La Hoya’s promotional company to venture off on his own.

That allowed Arum to avoid what is the better fight for both Pacquiao and boxing – a third meeting with Juan Manuel Marquez. Short of a showdown with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. there is no more compelling match for Pacquiao or for fight fans but that doesn’t mean it’s what’s best for Arum’s agenda.

Arum never wanted a Marquez rematch but not because Marquez has proven to be a clever and difficult opponent for Pacquiao. His opposition to it had nothing to do with the fact they fought to a draw in their first meeting and a controversial split decision Pacquiao victory in the second, a decision many in boxing felt should have gone the other way.

In reality, those outcomes would have been good for business, creating a compelling story line to go with the challenging nature of the opposition in a third fight. But Arum had other concerns, ones that had nothing to do with what’s best for the sport that’s made him a multi-millionaire or for his fighter, Pacquiao.

Arum’s opposition to a Marquez fight was simple and singular: he is still promoted by De La Hoya, Arum’s former fighter, and Arum does not want to do business with him.

Even when Arum was floating his phony list of potential Pacquiao opponents – Mosley, Marquez and WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto – he declared that if the choice was Marquez,  Golden Boy could not be involved in the promotion. De La Hoya agree to be bought out but what that guaranteed was that the number Marquez would ask for was going to exceed the one Mosley would accept once you added in Golden Boy’s step aside fee.

Arum claimed Marquez’s financial demand was “so damn high,’’ that there was no comparison with the $5 million purse Mosley agreed to. Arum said Marquez was insisting on double the $3.2 million purse he earned when he fought Floyd Mayweather, Jr., a charge Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer denied while admitting that whatever Marquez was paid had to include a buyout for Golden Boy, who promoted the Marquez-Mayweather fight.

If, in fact, that total equaled $6.2 million, so what? Pacquiao would still make much more and Arum would not be forced to sell pencils on the corner. More importantly, which is the more compelling fight for the people who pay all the bills – the fans of the sport?

Which is a better sell the weekend of Cinco de Mayo: the finest fighter in the world against his long-time Hispanic nemesis or the finest fighter in the world against a 39-year-old African-American opponent who is 0-1-1 this year and in his last outing fought a lackluster draw against journeyman Sergio Mora?

Arum insists Mosley is the bigger draw because he is better known but the fact of the matter is Mosley was never a big draw even when he was the best lightweight in the world. Even after twice beating De La Hoya, Mosley remained the B side of any big promotion.

The difference is in those days Mosley could fight but he could not sell. These days he can’t do either, yet Arum convinced Pacquiao he was the best way to go because, frankly, he never wanted to go in any other direction from the minute Mosley said he was willing to walk away from De La Hoya.
This is despite the fact Arum was one of Mosley’s loudest critics after his lackluster draw with Mora in September. At that time Arum said he was not interested in matching him with Pacquiao because he was nearly 40 years old and looked shot.

But after Pacquiao destroyed Antonio Margarito (another Arum fighter) in his last outing and the possibility of a Mayweather fight continued in silent limbo, Arum announced he would seek term sheets from Mosley, Marquez and Berto and present them to Pacquiao for a final decision. Suddenly Mosley (now sans Golden Boy) was no longer an old man and a shot fighter. Now he was the logical choice because he had Mayweather in trouble (sure he did, just before the ass-whipping started) and was a victim of Golden Boy’s mismanagement for matching him against the stylistically challenging Mora.

While you cannot blame Arum in particular for the sport not getting the fight the world wants - which is Mayweather-Pacquiao - you can blame him for not delivering the next best option, which is Pacquiao-Marquez.
So once again boxing has done what it has done so often in the past, which is reward the boxer who least deserves a fight with Pacquiao. While Mosley is 0-1-1 in his last three outings and looked terrible from the third round of the Mayweather fight on, Marquez recovered from losing a decision to the far bigger Mayweather last year with commanding victories over Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis to reclaim the unified (WBA and WBO) lightweight title.

Juan Manuel Marquez earned the right to a third fight with Manny Pacquiao by beating top opponents. Shane Mosley earned it for walking out on his promoter. That’s boxing.

It’s also why UFC is the fastest growing combat sport in the world while prize fighting exists on the margins of the sporting world, barely on life support.

Comment on this article

Radam G says:

Wow! I cannot possible see this the way SuperBoxingScribe Ron B sees it. First, it is greatly exaggerated that UFC/MMA has not left boxing in the dust. Nothing that organization reports can you trust. They are great with public relations/propaganda and optical illusions with those cooked-up financial books. It won't be long before everybody and dey momma, sister, lil bro, dog, cat and nosy neighbor start calling those powers that be clever crooks. Nowadays that is what has happened to GBP, and that could be one of the reason that Sugar Shane walked. And now Marquez is talking syet about him. Da disrespectful pee-pee-drinking obsessed-with-da-Manny sucka ought to quit. Morales, Guerrero and I think Soto have called him out. Let him fight them. But he cannot draw flies to his bouts. Being the big draw with Kasidis [name misspelled] only brought in 2,000 paying customers and less than 3,000 more from comp tickets. GBP lost its arse off. GBP has been in the red for the last couple of years, and I'd not be surprised to see it and UFC/MMA declare bankruptcy in the not-too-long-distance future. Top Rank Promotions are as solid as a diamond mine. TRP will be gettihg its BLING, BLING on for a while. YUP! Sugar Shane is OLD! And has gotten a lost and a draw in his last couple of fights. Nevertheless, that is the WAY, the game likes to PLAY. Back in da day, Jersey Joe Walcott lost something like seven of the last nine bouts -- four in a row against Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles -- but got a shot at the title and kayoed Charles, and was the oldest person to win a title until Rev. (Big) George Foreman, who was on a topsy-tuvsy losing streak when he got a shot and kayoed da Master of Misery Man Michael Moorer. But a bit before Walcott, the Cinderella Man lost and lost then got a title shot and upset Baer. What about how boxing scribes was writing off a the old 30-something Roberto Duran who had been kayoed by Tommy Hearns and beaten by Wilfred Benetiz. There have tons of "OLD" boxers on losing streaks that got shots at the world titles Matter of fact, Henry Cooper, Floyd Patterson, George Chavalo and Ernie Shaver were coming off shady performance and losses when they got the call to tangle with GOAT Ali. Arum, Team Pacquiao and da Manny are just following boxing tradition. And predications of the hurt bitnezz demise will forever be greatly exaggerated. Holla!

DaveB says:

It is really disappointing to see this fight being made. What does Pacquaio have to gain from fighting this guy? If he were to lose (not likely) he would tarnish everything he has worked for especially in light of the way Mayweather spanked Mosley. If Pac wins, so what Mayweather spanked Mosley. The two people that win, outside of Pacman getting an easy payday, are Arum and Mosley. Of course Mosley is going to earn his payday the hard way, the way Margarito did. Mosley will not be able to defend against the crisp punching of Pacquaio and this one will be hard for me to watch. I wanted to see Margarito get what was coming to him and even in that one enough was enough. Add to this, at this weight Pacquaio is not a big knockout puncher but a puncher that lays a bad beating on an opponent and it makes this match more appalling. Yes the promoters are one of several things that have hurt the sport of boxing and made it a marginal commodity. The best thing will be for a few of the current promoters to retire and disappear from the game but unfortunately I think others are lurking in the background that will swoop in to take their places.

Radam G says:

I'm reminded of Long Tall Paul when the smack talk goes up about UFC/MMA being "the most feared" successful mano-a-mano combat in the world. HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! OMFG! Don't believe the hype! UFC/MMA's arse is going to get da fudge knocked out. Glued to the canvas of bankruptcy and failure like a mutha. UFC/MMA's watching-a-train-wreck phenomenon is already speedily fading to black. And you know that "SPEED KILLS." Holla!

DaveB says:

I'll agree to that Fe'Roz. The problem is that Mayweather and Pacquaio may be too good for their own good at this point. There are no other meaningful fights for either man but one another. I would rather see Pac face some of the 140 pound crowd at 142 - 144 in a bum of the month fight. I know no one is going to fight every month but I hope you can understand what I am saying. Martinez can't campaign as a welterweight. The welterweights - well there is no one there anymore, 140 is too light and the fighters are not experienced enough. Mayweather is in trouble so boxing is the least of his problems right now. And the rest are just meaningless fights.

styx2007nv says:

Well, I'm not surprised at all, I have been waiting for this article from Borges a month ago. Borges have been whining and crying like JuanMa in his last few articles. Borges have been praising JuanMa for winning against Katsidis, a fighter who has never won a significant fight, all of Katsidis' supposedly big fights he lost. JuanMa is the champion of one of the weakest division in boxing, he should try to at least challenge one of the champions in the junior welterweight division to make himself relevant in the higher weight division. "Prize fighting exists on the margins of the sporting world, barely on life support". Borges just rephrase the cliche' "boxing is dying". Sports writers have been saying this ever since I started watching boxing in the early 80's, writers will use the cliche' whenever it suits their purpose and right now it suits Borges' purpose, but the truth is UFC/MMA probably gonna die faster than boxng.
PEACE!!!!!!!

mortcola says:

Borges the Clichematic 5000 found his way back into our shiny new universe? I'm not happy about that. But he's 2 for 2 in the last few days, and I'll give him another chance. I'm also not happy about this match. Perception matters, and the allegation that Pac has been fighting fighters on the decline - though false - or fighters Mayweather has softened up already, picks up some credibility. Even Marquez has more significance, if only because it closes out a trilogy, and because he fought Pac very effectively (no, he didn't "own" him), back when Pac was a wild one-handed featherweight. Marquez would be creamed in this fight, if it were to happen. However old Mosley may be, stylistically he can make this an interesting fight, credibility factor aside. Mosley has always been at a disadvantage against slick, long-armed movers; Vernon Forrest did a Mayweather far more devastatingly against Shane back when Shane was fresh. Against a shorter, eager to engage Pac, Mosley stands a chance of utilizing his strength and intelligence to good effect. Don't get me wrong, Sugar is likely to get caramelized eventually in this fight. But it is a match that can play into his strengths. That being said, it is the least interesting and significant of all the fights out there, and apart from whatever revenue it generates, it is a waste of the remaining time left in Pac's great career and legacy. Weird move from Arum and Roach. Berto, Bradley, Alexander....there are others I'm more interested in seeing from a boxing perspective.

mortcola says:

....but, I have to deduct points from Borges for the whole MMA/UFC leaving boxing in the dust thing. Its nothing but hype, Ron, and your article doesn't need tripe like this to make valid criticisms of individual fights or trends.

#1 PacFan says:

Manny must win inside 5 rounds to basically get some credit for this fight. Shane is basically a worn down fighter running on bald tires. Shane would be the third fighter Manny will permanently retire in three years(OLDH, Hatton). Atleast they will finally be satisfied that Manny will be facing an African American boxer with skills.

Smoke says:

Can't really fault anyone for this matchup. I for one will pay to see this fight because I really enjoy both fighters. I will never be a fan of big boxing promoters and all of the sleaze and shennanigans that take place behind the scene, but I am a fan of boxing. I don't think Manny will be taking any fights against the younguns at this stage in his career because of the high risk low reward disparity. A fight with Mayweather would make the most sense, but we all would be riding if wishes were horses. IMO boxing is still light years ahead of MMA in content and class.

juan says:

If 1M ppv buys are generated everytime pac fights, then he does boxing a big favor of keeping it alive & not what this writer is insinuating. The downfall of boxing is the cowardice of mayweather to face pac, the boring fights like pascal-hopkins, & the running mouth-cry-baby jmm ;> Boxing becomes exciting if fighters keep throwing hard punches till the last round despite getting hit a lot... that's pac ;>

Smoke says:

Can't really fault anyone for this matchup. I for one will pay to see this fight because I really enjoy both fighters. I will never be a fan of big boxing promoters and all of the sleaze and shennanigans that take place behind the scene, but I am a fan of boxing. I don't think Manny will be taking any fights against the younguns at this stage in his career because of the high risk low reward disparity. A fight with Mayweather would make the most sense, but we all would be riding if wishes were horses. IMO boxing is still light years ahead of MMA in content and class.

DJ_12 says:

Was at a family Xmas Party talking to my 20-30 year old nephews. They are huge MMA Fans and think Boxing is fixed, all the fighters are on steroids and that the James Toney vs Randy Couture fight is evidence that MMA Fighters are superior.

When I was their age, me and my friends talked about Hagler (we grew up in Brockton) Leonard, Hearns, Tyson etc.., Boxing was a major sport to us right up there with the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL.

Bob Arum has single handedly ruined Boxing by promoting bouts that are low risk for his marquee fighters. Mosley Versus Manny is a sham. Manny will destroy Mosley just like he destroyed his last 5 opponents. JMM is the fight WE the fans want to see. Forget about Mayweather, he will probably end up in jail.

FighterforJC says:

"Juan Manuel Marquez earned the right to a third fight with Manny Pacquiao by beating top opponents." LOL. So you're saying that beating a second rate lightweight in Katsidis (and another second rater lightweight in Juan Diaz) earns you a shot at the #1 welterweight? Mayweather-Mosley is why boxing has slipped. Mosley has not fought for a year and a half when Fraud fought him. If anything, the version of Mosley that Pacquiao will be facing is 10x better than the one Mayweather faced, with the main difference being that Mosley will actually be awake this time instead of unwrapping the bandages (like a mummy) around his entire body during the match like he did against Mayweather.

FighterforJC says:

"Juan Manuel Marquez earned the right to a third fight with Manny Pacquiao by beating top opponents." LOL.

So you're saying that beating a second rate lightweight in Katsidis (and another second rater lightweight in Juan Diaz) earns you a shot at the #1 welterweight? Mayweather-Mosley is why boxing has slipped. Mosley has not fought for a year and a half when Fraud fought him. If anything, the version of Mosley that Pacquiao will be facing is 10x better than the one Mayweather faced, with the main difference being that Mosley will actually be awake this time instead of unwrapping the bandages (like a mummy) around his entire body during the match like he did against Mayweather.

nashingun says:

mr writer, if you think mosley cant sell fights right now, why dont you look at mayweather vs mosley show... its not just mayweather who drew crowds there but mosley too with 1.5M ppv sell. so please stop making things up. by the way, to compare JMM and mosley in welter? even at 39 years old mosley can still beat anyone in 147lb. margarito took those punches 2 years ago, even floyd jr felt those big punches in round 2. mosley can still fight and i think he is the most qualified at this moment to face pacquiao. this is boxing, not just a charade floyd sells that americans buy as BOXING skills. his defensive skill have never been tested in the likes of manny pacquiao. we all want REAL BOXING SCENE, BROWL EXCITING FIGHTS. manny and mosley can give that and if you dont want it well its your choice but for me this is one good definition of BOXING. you can slide down to your sit mr writer but to me the moment manny stepped into stardom boxing became alive again.

ow, by the way, MMA took over boxing during floyd jr's P4P reign, not right now.

brownsugar says:

The article is true,... but it's not going to stop the fight from happening..the burgeoning casual fan base doesn't care about the truth... they just want recognizable opponents,.. names that they grew up with.. not the hardcore bylines and chronologies from diehard boxing pundits...Mosley needs this fight too,.. to test his belief in himself. If he loses horribly and still chooses to continue to fight,. well,.. he can go bunk up with Holyfield in the flop house called " I don't know when to quit". Shane is no Bhop mentally.. but with 5 months to prepare he should be able to put on a halfway decent showing,(if stops spending valuable time blogging on the internet) this fight will be interesting in the sense that Shane (with the exception of Margarito) is the only one who has the chin and punch power to actually chase Manny around the ring for while.. plus he knows as much about boxing as Manny does,..But he's probably not young enough to execute the perfect plan. Trust me,... Manny's not going toe-to-toe with Mosley,.. Roach is going to engineer "Slick Manny" version 2.0. besides...Berto, Jones, and those Euro dudes need to season up a bit first before going for Manny's crown.

FighterforJC says:

If nobody can stop Hopkins vs Jones 2, nobody will stop Pacquiao vs anybody.

Condor says:

Borges is spot on here. So is ESPN's Dan Rafael (see "Pacquiao-Mosley a bad fight for boxing"). This fight will appeal to the casual fan, the guy that still thinks Mike Tyson is the heavyweight champion of the world and has never heard of either Klitschko. In a couple of months, Mosley will be repackaged and sold as a worthy challenger. I promise you that there will be no mention of the putrid Mayweather and Mora outings. It's a shame, because Manny Pacquiao has the power to fight whoever he wants. Beating up a spent, tired 40 year old Mosley is simply a bad move. But we're stuck with it. What's disappointing to me is that Manny will fight twice in 2011. If he was fighting 4 times, I could live with this. Let's hope he chooses a relevant opponent for his other 2011 fight (essentially 10 months to a year away).

juan says:

Whoever pac fights it sells boig time cause he's exciting to watch not boring like the others.

At 147 JMM will be destroyed by pac in 3 rounds cause when pac can eat anything, anytime he's in good moon & very good condition. JMM couldn't even knockdown a drained pac at 130, how can he possibly beat pac at 147, with his performance against weather?

And berto who? Pac waited so many years to get to the top to fight the big names not to go otherwise, simple common sense ;>

juan says:

Whoever pac fights it sells boig time cause he's exciting to watch not boring like the others.

At 147 JMM will be destroyed by pac in 3 rounds cause when pac can eat anything, anytime he's in good moon & very good condition. JMM couldn't even knockdown a drained pac at 130, how can he possibly beat pac at 147, with his performance against weather?

And berto who? Pac waited so many years to get to the top to fight the big names not to go otherwise, simple common sense ;> At least mosley is known as a slick black american fighter like b-hop ;>

centerbolt says:

name of the game is prizefighting, it involves money, a lot of internal/external behind the scenes negotiations. any promoter wants the green bucks so unless ur not allied in good terms, you'll be left out. the victor belongs all the spoil, the loser nothing.
seems Pac-Mosley gathers controversy and lots of talk. in the end people will see the fight and ppv w/c is the cheapest form of entertainment, with folks gather with cervesa and lots of talk. ain't it right?

centerbolt says:

PPV still the cheapest form of entertainment. no matter who you see as long as there is name recognition in the end it'll be purchased...

styx2007nv says:

Slick Manny Version 2.0 (classic), I honestly believe that Manny is not gonna go toe to toe against SSM up untill the 6th round or even later into the fight. Manny would surely box in and out untill SSM start gasping for air and then Manny will start going for the kill. I really believe that SSM doesn't have the stamina anymore to fight against a fighter with as much output and activity as Manny usually does, but then again who does. However, I still belive that SSM has a better chance to score an upset than JMM, SSM has the oftentimes deadly one punch KO, the question is, does he have the reflexes and stamina to deliver such a punch, I would say he's got 30/70 chance to deliver in the early rounds, and about 10/90 chance after round 5. SSM's chances of scoring an unprecedented KO is bolstered by Manny's willingness to go for the kill once he got his opponent hurt, sometimes, Manny would disregard his defense in order to finish his opponent, that will be the time that SSM would act like a cornered lion and as old as he may be, he's got the puching power to turn the fight around. JMM's only chance against Manny is to box against him and to counter punch, while JMM is probably one of the best boxer/counter puncher I had seen, JMM at 135 or below is not thesame JMM at 147. JMM is a slow, fat and powerless 147 pounder, and with JMM's willingness to go toe to toe lately, it would be a massacre, JMM doesn't stand a chance to score an upset.
PEACE!!!!!!

DaveB says:

It is like Condor said, if Pac were fighting four fights this year this would be some-what okay. Ali used to fight fights worse than this, as did others, but they were TV fights. This would be a great top of the line free TV fight on a Friday night. But for a pay per view fight this fight leaves a lot to be desired.

Radam G says:

Wow! All I see is a lot of Metathesiophobia. These boxing days are what they are. PPV is the television showing of boxing of our days. When bouts were on TV back in the day, that was because big money was made from paid commercials. Corporations and organizations footed that money because they wanted the general public to be brainwashed about buying from them. Nowadays these corporations and organizations do their heavy-making money business with college and pro American football, baseball, basketball, golf and tennis. OOPS! And in cyberspace. [They don't need television space. That is now known as da poor and slow man's main way of viewing. If ya ain't got big bucks, big shyt ain't aimed at ya. PRIZEFIGHTING is all about going where da moola drops. Free television quit droppin' da moola, so it was bye, bye! Birdy! Sorry ta hit ya with da REAL.] It is not just top-notch boxing, which is no longer shown on American commerical television. Bowling, to name one popular sports shown in the 70s, 80s, and 90, is no longer shown on free television. And when is the last time that you saw Chess, Cricket, Handball or Billards, danggit! Yearning for yesteryears will just bring you tears. And in the end, you are going to be a paid butt at the live gate or in front of that PPV. And those who are not, it is because they don't have da luv or da moola to throw away. Let's get REAL! By the way, WHERE ARE YA, Real Talk? C'mon in this new Universe. It is da BOMB! Luving it!! Holla!

MisterLee says:

ltp, bradley, berto, marquez are the only ones i'd like to see pac fight. anyone else is just lousy. mosley , really really? i'm a fan of mosley but man he's gotta hangem up. i'll be more excited following cotto's career in 2011. holler!

MisterLee says:

and pple need to lay off borges and making personal accusations. don't hate the playa', hate the game! borges is making a good point. mma shows better fights (ever see a boring ufc undercard? no! ever see a boring boxing undercard? every time!). and pac should fight someone worth watching, he's not worn out goods, he doesn't need a gimme farewell fight. holler!

Isaiah says:

Do you all think just maybe that Pacquiao will go ahead and fight 3 times this year just to show some love for the fans? Well anyway, Mosley deserves the payday, but that doesn't mean much in this case. If this is what it takes to take Mosley out of the top 10 ranking so he can't be justified to fight Mayweather or Pacquiao again, then so be it. Mosley is shot, but unlike Duckweather fans, at least Mosley will not be over a year inactive and should still be trying to win the fight after the second round. A 39 year old Mosley is still not a guy to play around with. Pacquiao better stay on his toes and take it to him while Lil Floyd hopes and hopes the Pacman looks bad in a fight so he can get off his "period". Whoops! I mean, "vacation."

Radam G says:

Like the GOAT Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson and Michael Tyson did, to name a few of the past ATGs, da Manny is going on a world tour of fighting bums in different countries after he beats the sweets out of Sugar Shane. Holla!

Isaiah says:

If Manny is going to go on a world tour, the can we hope he fights 3 times this year like he once did? Being that we're being fed a match with Shane Mosley to get him out of the way once and for all, I don't think that's too much to ask. For the next 2 opponents, shall we say in no particular order, Tim Bradley and Andre Berto? After all, may as well have the Pacman lay to rest any doubt of his greatness. With a year like that, even the haters would have to give him props. Naw, scratch that! They'd say he's ducking Juan Manuel Marquez. Yeah right. Marquez is NOT a welterweight, but Manny is and would stomp Juan now. That mismatch does not need to happen just so Juan can get paid.

admin says:

Personally, I think Ron Borges nailed it. Larry Merchant was the first one I recall who crowned the Pacster P-4-P king. However, Larry did so prematurely and in attempting to justify it tried to change the parameters of what was the requisite to be considered pound 4 pound best. Today, Manny is, by whatever standards you wish to impart, just that, pound 4 pound. But, in the Manny Sweepstakes, Mosley is undeserving. But wait! There is an opponent out there that may have defeated Manny recently, not once but possibly twice! I’m speaking, of course, of Juan Manuel Marquez. This is where Arum dropped the ball. Several years ago the Marquez Bros. were looking for a home. Yes, they said they were determined to form their own promotional company, but c’mon! I think if you look at all the success the other fighters have had, Winky, Floyd Jr. to name two, which, beyond getting the company name mentioned by Michael Buffer or Jimmy Lennon Jr. and having it affixed on some boxing posters, (Similar to an “Executive producer” credit) wasn’t much. Oh, and for those that are going to balk at Manny possibly being 0-2 against JMM, I’ll apply my favorite tactic: Name all the rounds Manny won. Hmmm? Which ones? When my Puerto Rican brethren were pounding their chests when Tito got the nod over Oscar, I asked the same question. What rounds? Can’t ask it any clearer. What rounds did you give Tito? “ Well, you’re not supposed to run!” Yeah. Who says? (Even if you score Oscar’s running rounds 10-9 for Tito, and he certainly didn’t run his way to any 10-8’s, how, my boxing peeps, do you get enough rounds to get Tito a victory?) Also, I love Manny…and Freddy. Manny is one of the finest fighters of this generation. Freddy’s one of the finest trainers/strategists as well. I need to know all the rounds Manny stockpiled against JMM and if you don’t want to attach your name I understand. Make one up. But you can’t make up winning rounds that didn’t happen. If you are a man, a real man, put your name on it (your real name, Mr. Real Man) and watch the chirping begin. Thank God we have footage. Lastly, if Arum (controlling the rights to the best fighter in the world) can’t sell a third fight with JMM, he should surrender his promotional license, for he’s learned nothing.

styx2007nv says:

Why do you think that JMM deserve to fight Manny? I have been trolling the world wide web lately and I cant find any official boxing record that says JMM may have possibly won twice against Manny, JMM went 1 draw and 1 defeat against Manny according to the official record.

Radam G says:

DANG! We definitely need the three wise men from the [Middle] East. Maybe the old Magi can get across to the blind that winning the most rounds means nothing. Winning the most rounds don't give and have never given a boxer the final victory. TSSU, we are into dealing with professional boxing, not some amateur JIVE. The pee-pee drinking, canvas-kissing Marquez has not beat da Manny ever. Back in yesteryears, Evander Holyfield won the most rounds against Lennox Lewis, but check out the record books. They note a win and a draw for Lewis. Tommy Hearns won the most rounds against Sugar Ray Leonard, nonetheless the books note a win and a draw for the Sugarman. Irish Bill Conn won the most rounds against the "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, but history notes that ole Billy boy got KTFO TWICE! History notes that Myron Taylor won the most rounds against Julio Cesas Chavez, but Taylor got KTFO TWICE! Jersey Joe Walcott won the most rounds against Rocky Marciano, but Walcott was KTFO out TWICE! There is no power in winning the most rounds, when that arse is canvas kissing or getting canvas GLUED. Since Juan Manuel Marquez and his fanfaronades want him to tangle with a welterweight, let him fight Andre Berto. Marquez has already called Berto a slow, stiff fighter who da Manny could easily beat. OKAY! But now let us see if JMM can easily beat that young gun. I bet that kid would knock JMM down and out. Berto ain't no Money May. A BIG-ARSE Berto would probably finish off a pin-sized, pee-pee luvin,' obsessed lightweight. That pee pee sippin' has made JMM delusional. [His urine should be checked] He should go to rehab. Da Manny is living LARGE and is too LARGE to fight a lightweight. He has just purchased a 32-seater aircraft and is spending the Christmas in Japan. Trust ME! He has no thought about JMM. When and if da Manny fights in Japan, JMM can come to Asia and fight on the undercard for $60,000 -- instead of $30,000 again -- against Chris John. John would whup his arse again. Merry Christmas to ALL. Holla!

deepwater says:

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Isaiah says:

Testing, testing... I'm seeing if this site is still actually up and running. Is it just me or did anyone else have trouble posting anything in the last couple of days and were unable to post anything on the last couple of the most recent articles? What's going on here? This may be late in saying this, but also remember the TRUE meaning of Christmas but be leary of the date of December 25th. This was a date used by the Pagan Romans to place Jesus birthday on the same day as their fertility "god" to pretend like they were embracing Christianity. Yeshua (Jesus) was actually born roughly around 3 B.C. or so in August or Setember. By the way, Santa Claus, A.K.A. Saint Nickolas was a real person to, but Christmas is NOT about him. Enjoy the TRUTH in the holiday season.

MayweatherTHEGOAT says:

For those out there that think Pacroid is not juicing you are either blind or just plain stupid! Pacroid is a disgrace to the sport of boxing & not to mention the human race! It's obvious that Pacroid is doping. When Mayweather Sr. & Golden Boy accused him of doping he filed a law suit immediately. When Teddy Atlas shared his information of Pacroid's possible steroid use on Friday Night Fights Pacroid did NOTHING! The richest T.V. station on the planet is ESPN. Teddy Atlas works for that station and that station is responsible for Teddy's comments. Why didn't Pacroid file suit against ESPN and Teddy Atlas for his comments? I'll tell you why Pacroid didn't file suit. Because Teddy has proof! And Teddy had to produce that proof to ESPN before he could share it with the public. Do your research on the above and you will believe as I do that Pacroid is a disgrace to the sport of boxing & humanity! I'm sure some of you may say that my comment's are a little or a lot overboard. But just look at the entire picture. Pacroid is destroying these fighters lives by CHEATING and he has NO REMORSE! What goes around, comes around!

Radam G says:

Wow! The dumbest comment of the year is that PacMan is on "A-side Meth" and now Amir "Da Great" Khan is juicing. Maybe somebody need a nipple. Is drinking pee pee juicing or refreshing. Hehehehehehe! Holla!

FighterforJC says:

Mic test, 1-2-3. Hello, is this thing on?

FighterforJC says:

Mic test, 1-2-3. Hello, is this thing on?


Yes it is! The website is working!

Joe says:

This fight just gets the "black guy" conversation taken care of. I hope Sugar says his prayers before the fight and Manny has mercy on his opponent. Maybe Jin will jump into the ring while Jack keeps telling Shane to "power box" his axx.

FighterforJC says:

This fight just gets the "black guy" conversation taken care of. I hope Sugar says his prayers before the fight and Manny has mercy on his opponent. Maybe Jin will jump into the ring while Jack keeps telling Shane to "power box" his axx.



Actually, to me what's more important is that a fight against Mosley would mean that Pacquiao would've fought every single top welterweight of the past 5 years (cotto, margarito, mosley, clottey) with the exception of Paul Williams, who nobody really ever seriously considered as a true welterweight. Even more impressive is the fact that Pacquiao would've managed to fight them all in just a year and a half (this May), while it took Mayweather nearly 5 years to fight just one of those guys. Of course, leave it to any Mayweather fan to tell you that the top welterweights of the last few years are Arturo Gatti, Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Juan Manuel Marquez. LOL

brownsugar says:

I'm not going to blame this on Manny and Mosley, but the entire "money over quality mentality" is starting to infect the fans. Now you have Joe-Casual-Fan hollering empty cliches like.. "if it don't make money then it don't make cents",.. fight fans spend an enternity arguing over who's the bigger draw or which fighter can generate the biggest gate. Not My Business, I'm not a marketing major but I feel like I have to be just have a conversation about boxing these days... All of that business should take place in the background instead having to listen to Arum expound on how he won't allow boxers like Berto or Williams ride Manny's coat tails to fame fortune and recognition. It's the new faces who create interest and the unpredictability of entertainment. Personally I thought Shane would be a good draw,... but even the casual fans are telling me they'd rather watch MMA. Most of the hardcore and jaded boxing fans like myself are watching Manny-Mosley fight for one reason only... and that's to compare what Manny can do to Shane as opposed to what Floyd did.

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