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brownsugar:

No offence to "uncommon" thugs of course.

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brownsugar:

Can you spell that out for us literal guys?

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Radam G:

"...when fighters clearly, blatantly slip onto the floor even if a nothing punch lands on a shoulder and neither the ref nor the commentary team demand it be called a knockdown and replay it 15 times during the break between rounds,
when nobody referred to punchstats cos they are utterly meaningless and it made sense to use what little time you had to talk about the fight instead,
when there was a unified champ,
when there were so few alphabet titles that you had hope of seeing a unified champ ever again,
when fans didn't casually accept big fights not happening because that's the 'business' of boxing,
when we heard less about the business of boxing and big fights just seemed to get made,
when reg gutteridge and harry carpenter commented on fights on free tv in the UK,
when Gil Clancy and Angelo Dundee gave insight on US network boxing,
when there was loads of boxing on free tv in the UK & USA,
when there were contenders like Marlon Starling who lost in a title fight and earned another by beating prospect after prospect,
when there were contenders and not everyone in the top 10 had a meaningless title,
when it was accepted you had to beat a contender, to become a contender and only contenders got a title shot,
when heavyweight fights were entertaining,
when fighters demanded that fights were made and managers/promoters did what the fighter wanted rather than the other way round,
when the world was young and none of us had ever heard Jim Lampley say 'that flurry in the last ten seconds may have won the round for Pacquaio'.........no it didn't Jim.

I could go on but I won't."


WTF! Are we rolling up into the when, when, when, when, when and when, when, when era?

I remember when those nuns beat my little narrow, flat arse. Hehe! Holla!

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Kid Blast:

Hmmm. This is unique enough to steal.

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Kid Blast:

Yes, common thug. LMAO

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brownsugar:

Barishnikov

Gregory Hines

Bojangles

Michael Jackson

Gene Simmons

Fred Astaire....



I could go on and list some really good Ethiopian marathon runners too.



The point is I appreciated this midweek snack before the more higher profile bouts available this weekend.



It was a pleasure to watch N'Dam utilize some deft movement which was on par with some the legendary dancers listed above.



Many fighters dont incorporate good mobility in thier arsenal as effortlessly as N'Dam.

He looked like he could have danced a whole fifteen rounds.



The fight started out missing some key notes and some of the notes they did hit were out of tune.

But by the eighth round they were making music.



I won't say N'Dam "exposed" Stevens.... But he certainly "quantified" him, labeled him and stuck him in a petri dish for further experimentation.



In short...using the old school vernacular ....N'Dam "made a monkey out of Stevens" who should not enter the ring again until he's finished his mail-order-internet course on boxing.



Watching N'Dam diffuse Stevens was like watching a kungfu expert dismantling a common thug.



I'd like to see N'Dam again .... Hopefully against someone who knows something about the sweet science next time..

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The Commish:

Great topic and great lists posted here.

Frank Lotierzo is truly one of the best journalistscovering, reporting and writing about the sweet science.

-Randy G.

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gibola:

...when fighters clearly, blatantly slip onto the floor even if a nothing punch lands on a shoulder and neither the ref nor the commentary team demand it be called a knockdown and replay it 15 times during the break between rounds,

when nobody referred to punchstats cos they are utterly meaningless and it made sense to use what little time you had to talk about the fight instead,

when there was a unified champ,

when there were so few alphabet titles that you had hope of seeing a unified champ ever again,

when fans didn't casually accept big fights not happening because that's the 'business' of boxing,

when we heard less about the business of boxing and big fights just seemed to get made,

when reg gutteridge and harry carpenter commented on fights on free tv in the UK,

when Gil Clancy and Angelo Dundee gave insight on US network boxing,

when there was loads of boxing on free tv in the UK & USA,

when there were contenders like Marlon Starling who lost in a title fight and earned another by beating prospect after prospect,

when there were contenders and not everyone in the top 10 had a meaningless title,

when it was accepted you had to beat a contender, to become a contender and only contenders got a title shot,

when heavyweight fights were entertaining,

when fighters demanded that fights were made and managers/promoters did what the fighter wanted rather than the other way round,

when the world was young and none of us had ever heard Jim Lampley say 'that flurry in the last ten seconds may have won the round for Pacquaio'.........no it didn't Jim.



I could go on but I won't.

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deepwater2:

Good article.

Boxing is still a great sport even though the networks and promoters/advisors get in the way.

Boxing brings all elements of society together, around ringside you can have A list celebrities sitting next to the police chief sitting next to a mob boss sitting next to other athletes sitting next to top business men sitting next to an ordinary accountant.

USA boxing really needs to focus on the Olympic program.

I'm always in favor of bringing boxing clubs back to the high school and college level. Even if 14 oz gloves were mandatory. I would bet boxing is safer for the kids then football or soccer.

Did the mob make more evenly matched bouts then tsAH?

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SouthPaul:

Good read, ArneK!

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Radam G:

"These "Whens" really hit home, which is why I was surprised by "not necessarily for its betterment." There's been no betterment, only degradation. Once upon a time, boxing was the king of sports, Jack Dempsey a bigger hero than Babe Ruth. Is there any sport today lower on the totem pole? Horse racing, I guess. Darts? Girls' softball? I'm not so sure. And let's not kid ourselves - there isn't the slightest reason to expect a return to the good old days."

Dang! NY Tony, just bury da game and throw away the shovel. The game is already on it way back to regular TV. So we got darts beat. And we are neck and neck with Girls softball. Hehehehe! Holla!

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New York Tony:

These "Whens" really hit home, which is why I was surprised by "not necessarily for its betterment." There's been no betterment, only degradation. Once upon a time, boxing was the king of sports, Jack Dempsey a bigger hero than Babe Ruth. Is there any sport today lower on the totem pole? Horse racing, I guess. Darts? Girls' softball? I'm not so sure. And let's not kid ourselves - there isn't the slightest reason to expect a return to the good old days.

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New York Tony:

A surprisingly poor fight. N'Jikam's bicycling, however effective, got tired pretty quick. And I didn't care for his showboating, which should have gotten him a trip to the canvas. Who's he, the Rich Little of boxing? First he imitates Gene Tunney, then Muhammad Ali. But at least he wasn't completely disappointing - Stevens was. He spent the whole night trying to land a power shot. When he realized he couldn't, he became a deer in headlights - frozen by his own cluelessness about what to do or how to do it. One of the most limited fighters I've ever seen in my life. Except for Golovkin, this just isn't an interesting or impressive division.

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Radam G:

Dang! Pug Scribe F-Lo. Those were so hard when's. Scenes of those times where flashing and dashing and smashing through my mind. OMFG! How things have really gone away forever. Much more than we think about until we are reminded



This is like a thousand deaths of the way it was in our sport. But we have no time to mourn. Because outta every passing, more is born. I have to holla at this song for the people and things of our sport that have passed into the afterlife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uamir2DfDcM. Holla!

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The Commish:

Back to the drawing board--or gym--for Mr. Stevens.

-Randy G.

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flackoguapo:

Thank you! I hope so!

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Radam G:

""No le busques 5 patas al Gato", Radam. Haha thanks for the heads up my dude, but I make noise where the lions be... I don't come out for the guppies. Or am I in over my head and "searching for the cats' 5th leg"?"

I hear ya! Enjoy yourself. Like it flow. It's gonna be a helluva show. Ev'ybodee and dey momma are gonna be going blow to blow. Holla!

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flackoguapo:

"No le busques 5 patas al Gato", Radam. Haha thanks for the heads up my dude, but I make noise where the lions be... I don't come out for the guppies. Or am I in over my head and "searching for the cats' 5th leg"?

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deepwater2:

Nice little card. Good fights. Teddy is still screaming and saying whatever he wants which is very entertaining, telling the co host Stallone is just a movie boxer and only the first few Rocky movies were worthwhile.



N'dam stuck to his game-plan and Curtis was stuck in mud the whole night. It looked like Stevens had a broken right foot or something, what was up with his right foot?



N'dam is a nifty boxer who I had beating Quillin despite the knockdowns he suffered. He gets another shot so I hope he works on his mistakes and gets a pair of boots with a better grip.

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Radam G:

"and here I am. I will MOD this fine establishment for the next two weeks, and I feel privileged. All the knowledge that gets kicked around this website ,in the dynamic that it does, is special. As far as my judging, I am kinda' stealthy but this has my complete attention. Good luck to all! Bite down and let em' loose! "

Wow! So it is like my Tip Mamoy loves to spit: "El que quiera pescado que se moje el culo" -- "He who wants some fish should get his butt wet." Hehehe! Just lookout for Jaws or Moby Dick. You might just get your arse chewed up or swallowed.

I thought that I'd throw that in there because I'm sitting on Leyte Bay, Philippines, watching the time roll away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsTnHJ3g328. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Its great to see a new face at the helm

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The Commish:

Two forums, dozens of threads, hundreds of posts and thousands of words to read.



It sounds rough, but it's a lot of fun. Enjoy.



-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

N'Dam N'Jikam seems to be a pretty determined and fluent boxer with a good set of whiskas and also decent power.



Stevens is determined with a good set of whiskas and also decent power.



I was surprised by how hesitant Quillin fought Rosado; after seeing how he fought N'Dam N'Jikam.



I, too, am not sure about Steven's championship round stamina - or his championship level confidence after 3G disrespectfully bludgeoned and stopped him.



Beatings like that always psychologically affect guys like Stevens and I would venture to say that has something to do with his personality within the abovementioned interviews.



The guy (justifiably) displays hallmarks of traits that suggest he is embarrassed and concerned, and those traits often sit as uncomfortably with a fighter's public persona - as both they and the Stevens V 3G fight is now in the public domain.



The determination for a prizefighter is often closely linked to his self worth and persona(s).



As is - albeit conversely - beatings/losses and both the manner in which they are introduced and how much they contradict or conflict with that which was said prior to the fight by those wearing them.



The former constantly advises you to push on regardless of the obstacles and the latter sends an alarm - sometimes in the form of a private fear - that you may have chosen the wrong pursuit and over focused on your ego or dominant fighting-persona.



Neither make for good bedfellows and a relaxed disposition or lifestyle, and sometimes they all conspire so that the fighter is simply persisting in the sport because it is his perceived identity.



At that point fear of quitting and publicly losing becomes the driving reason to train and fight; rather than the belief you are a champion, this is your sport, and someone out there that is temporarily minding your strap is in line for a hiding.



I'll leave it for the readers to work out who of N'Dam N'Jikam and Curtis Stevens this might best apply to.

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The Shadow:

Finally!

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amayseng:

"Stevens has stamina issues and this hopefully will be his undoing. He is one guy I can't stand--not because of his boxing but because of his arrogance. Reminds me of Darnell Boone."

I am just hoping for an entertaining fight.

Though you are correct, Stevens can get ahead of himself. He put a grave on the street for GGG then proceeded to get beat to a pulp

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Kid Blast:

"These are hard to predict and fun to watch... I'm still on on overtime. Will have to watch it later. Looking forward to seeing who the winner is...like you said its a pickem fight."





Stevens has stamina issues and this hopefully will be his undoing. He is one guy I can't stand--not because of his boxing but because of his arrogance. Reminds me of Darnell Boone.

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brownsugar:

"This is a fight I am very much looking forward to watching. It really could go either way and that's what makes it so interesting. And as we saw with Stevens last fight, he possesses that eraser so even if the fight is not going his way could quickly change things in an instant.

Stevens can be out boxed and out hustled. Taureno Johnson did that to him his last time out and came within seconds of beating him. Jesse Brinkley did that to Stevens with ease some years ago. If Stevens doesn't knock his opponent out, its tough for him to win fighting the way he does. And that is always looking for the knockout and unable to avoid being hit if his opponent lets their hands go.

N'Dam was dropped six times by Quillin yet still went the distance. In the rounds he wasn't dropped had some success. We know he has heart but how about that chin. Stevens hits much harder than Quillin so if N'Dam gets hit clean who knows how well he'll be able to take Stevens punch.

If N'Dam can handle Stevens punch or avoid getting tagged flush, he can win and win going away on the cards. However, that's much easier said than done. Stevens will be dangerous from the moment the opening bell rings until the final bell to end the fight. He could be dominated and then end things in an instant. Its a very interesting fight and the winner is in line to face the IBF Champion sometime next year."


These are hard to predict and fun to watch... I'm still on on overtime. Will have to watch it later. Looking forward to seeing who the winner is...like you said its a pickem fight.

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Radam G:

These alphabet-sanctioning clowns and cheats are making a desperate move to get keep the AIBA from closing them down and making their crook-you-long-time arses drown.

Later for the high-fee sanctioning broke-arse-crooked clowns. Biting off Mr. T, I don't pity da fools. Holla!

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Radam G:

I'm sure that I will be right again in the end.

TsAH ain't niffin' but a millenium Don King.

The same old sh song they sing -- covert deception, serial theft, cult making and Stockholm Syndromising thirsty-and-hungry brotherhood pugs wanting to be in a clique of fakes pretending that they are all -- each and everyone of them -- getting BIG, BIG purses when they are getting broken promises and peanuts in BIG, BIG 99 shopping bags
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[I know that last sentence is one long-arse sentence, but that it how tsAH and Da Don K git with their sneaky, sleazy, shady ways. Holla!

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oubobcat:

Things are about to get very interesting. Will Canelo actually go for the May and September dates taken in the past by Mayweather? Or if push comes to shove, will they back away from that demand?

I really don't know how to read this right now from Oscar and Canelo.

I think it depends on the opponent to be honest. If Cotto, then they push that fight back to June to hold it at Madison Square Garden. No way they go head to head with Mayweather.

But say its not Cotto, things could get interesting. I for one think HBO is still very upset about how Showtime decided to put Canelo on the same September date in the same city as the scheduled HBO PPV for Martinez-Chavez. Remember this initially was to be competing PPV's but then Showtime moved Canelo to regular Showtime after Victor Ortiz was upset by Josesito Lopez. If the Canelo-Cotto fight does not happen, I see HBO signing off on another Joshua Clottey like opponent and put the fight on regular HBO to compete directly with Mayweather (Oscar and Canelo have major pull on this as well).

Things are about to get very interesting in this sport outside the ring.

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