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The Shadow:

"I love posts with a little meat on them. Who was it who said, "There's not a good book thick enough and a cup of tea big enough".

Well, some different winners, that's cool. This last two weeks caught me during a busy cycle. I'm sure I missed some great stuff. Hope to catch up.

@The Roast. And are you now going to share with us the 'da Roast Modified Scoring System' as so we don't end up with scores like the two lame ducks that scored the Bryan Vasquez v Jose Felix fight ended up with?"


Yeah, I'd like to see it, too! Who co-wrote the system, Duane Ford?

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dino da vinci:

I remember being at an open workout for Cooney at Caesars Palace prior to the Holmes fight. One of those twins was Dennis Rappaport. Dennis took the mic, and started 'tic tic tic...tic tic tic.' He explained how that was the sound of a clock and when they measured Gerry several weeks earlier, he was 6' 5", and a short time later they measured him and he was 6'6". He went on about how he's still growing and only god knows how tall he'd be on fight night. Not seeing how that was relevant to reality and skillsets, when it was time for questions I brought out points about Cooney's last three opponents and how could he really feel he was ready for Holmes at that time?

Dennis looks at me, slight pause, and says 'next question'.

But to answer the question, yes, management botched the Cooney situation. Gerry was anywhere from three to five fights and a real trainer away from being heavyweight champion. If memory serves correctly, Victor Valle was his trainer at the time. And while I know Victor had some disciples, I know of at least one detractor.

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dino da vinci:

"Cool ;) I'll try to stay brief from now on. Hehe...

Roast, did you twist your ankle?"


I love posts with a little meat on them. Who was it who said, "There's not a good book thick enough and a cup of tea big enough".

Well, some different winners, that's cool. This last two weeks caught me during a busy cycle. I'm sure I missed some great stuff. Hope to catch up.

@The Roast. And are you now going to share with us the 'da Roast Modified Scoring System' as so we don't end up with scores like the two lame ducks that scored the Bryan Vasquez v Jose Felix fight ended up with?

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SouthPawFlo:

In response to "Old Man Arum," who can Floyd Possibly fight right now that wouldnt be a huge underdog against him???



I do agree that Chino is at Best a "B" fighter but how many A+ guys are campaigning at 147???







How many times is Oscar gonna say he "Coulda" beaten Floyd, let it go please.....

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Radam G:

No way that GC was supposed to be in that squared jungle at the time that he was there. He was rushed and pressured because of the stupid-arse "Rocky" movie. Toddler Radam remember that fiasco. The sickness of those times, even had the champ Holmes introduced first, instead of second as tradition calls for.



I could not understand why GC was being fed to superbad Holmes as a "White hopelessness"



That was a fight for the hope of the then "Old ol' boy Club," not GC. He was used as a Tar baby -- thrown into a fate of hope of repressive powers gunning to make things as they were or bring in a new-coming world order.



Illuminati stuff. Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

Can you get hooked after you have watched fights for years and years and years? I had been watching boxing since I was teenager and did not miss many fights on the tube. It was weird but the fight that really got me emotionally involved was Diaz-Marquez 1. I was never really into talking that much about it or into posting on message boards until after that fight and I have no idea why.



I do know that it is one of the greatest "firefights" I have ever seen and is often looked past when talking about best fights over last 20 years. This was a fight where both fighters maintained a 90 punch per round output for what equated to 8.5 rounds. It also saw a 36 year old man who averaged 50 punches a round for the preceding 3 years before the fight, come close to doubling that output with someone that was a decent fighter and 10 years his junior.



Don't know why it got me but it did. A few other fights that stick out for me: Tyson-Berbick, Hagler-Hamsho(saw the replay), Foreman-Moorer, Mayweather-Chico, Cotto-Quintana

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The Shadow:

"I am! it's all good. Dont let my a.d.d scorn you!"

Cool ;) I'll try to stay brief from now on. Hehe...

Roast, did you twist your ankle?

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Radam G:

"Well if that is the case, then I will buy him a beer, shake his hand, look him in his eyes like a man and tell him I'm sorry for misunderstanding boxing discourse.

But realistically, Radam, what does he gain from sparring someone he just dismissed who's 50 pounds lighter with a fraction of the experience?

Based on his tone, did it sound to you like he wanted to do me a favor?

If that is the case, I would love to!! But if he wants to beat me up, he should at least give me a year to prepare or suggest a setting with more even terms.

I'm not going to talk tough on the Internet, though.

youtube.com/watch?v=nEYH6y6OVv0"


He was straight up jiving and conniving, The Shadow. It is a boksing thing that we talk syet and double jive. It seems real or serious to the guys not in poop of out loop.

One time I came into the gym with a 6-foot tall long-legged, big booty blond mamma-jamma. Bad-@$$ hamma!

Oliver McCall was in the ring warming up and talking how he was getting ready to beat up sparring-joke David Bey.

My blondy sweetie started eyeballing O-Mac -- as I called him - in a flirtatious way. He jumped outta the ring, gave his trainer an eye blink and told him to take off the gloves. When the trainer took off the gloves, McCall started screaming that the blondy wanted him.

My grinning, big-teeth arse told him to settle down, because she is my company and just wanted see some boxers. Then dude went off. Picked up a rubbed down/exercise table and threw it down.

He started kicking chairs, medicine balls, gloves and picked up plastic water bottles and started throwing them near the blond. She kept flirting with him and grinning. I was perplexed. Then dude staring tell me that he was going to whup a Pinoy's arse because "da doll wants me, lil' man."

I said "settle down, clown! Why you tearing up syet and acting crazy, MAN!"

"She's with me," I continued.

She pointed her finger toward him, and said, "The joke is on you, hahaha, while quickly turning her finger to me.

The dame was in on the joke from the jump. But I was such a gigolo-whoring cat for the XX-chromosome type that any nice, fine damsel near the gym was in like Flynn. And after workout I was really to sin.

Serious, true story, The Shadow! In the past, I told this whole Universe a quadrillion times that D2 -- actually than deep water -- was a fightah and new writah not meaning harm. Get him time, and he will be a communicating dime.

See, The Shadow, a lot of the readers here don't know our small, tight boksing community -- jive, funny, shady, sleazy and a pure paradox.

Newbies still get upset at me for writing in boksing colloquialism. From the jump, they believe that I'm attacking Afrikan-AmerKano or that I'm a wannabe black Kano, because they don't know the origin of boxing slanguage, diction and jive. And that the black fighters who didn't make it big in pugilism went to the music industry with boxing terms. Terms and slangs from boxing is heavily into pop culture.

And D2 is the atypical pug who was jiving about punching anybody to the mug. He would much rather teach and give you a loving-bear hug.

Don't forget how SCLA Ali and I would go after one another. I would tell him that I will be rolling in his hood to pimp punch him, and make him make a sandmich , and go and get a bean pie. Holla at my old archives. And don't forget how B-Sug and I would get jiggy with the smack talk. And it is all part of the boksing culture. Holla!

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the Roast:

"As I have long said, "I am the luckiest fight fan ever born. I was the color analyst for the SRL-Donny Lalonde fight in Las Vegas. I announced the fight with Sam Rosen, one of the best announcers ever to speak into a microphone. The fight was actually promoted by Vince McMahon. Yes, THAT Vince McMahon.

Roast, you are so right abourt SRL. In the ring, he was indeed a vicious S.O.B. Inside the ropes, he would have smacked his own mother. He was that same vicious S.O.B. against Thomas Hearns in 1981, which is still the most exciting night of boxing I have ever been at.

With the memories of that fight swirling around in my head, I need to watch the youtube video of it one more time.

What a night! What a fight!! What memories!!!

If you ever have questions about that night tR, just ask. I'll be glad to make you feel like you were there with me, Marv, Ferdie & Don.

-Randy G."


Randy you impress me more and more! You were on the broadcast team with Sam Rosen? Get right out of town! I can still here the words in my head during the replays of the second round knockdown of SRL."For only the second time in his career Sugar Ray Leonard goes down!" Sam Rosen was really good. I still hear him doing NFL games sometimes. I wore out that VHS tape. Watched it a hundred times. Alot of celebs in the crowd that night. Stallone saying something about how Donny was gonna win because he'd never been in this kind of "Venue." He said the word funny like he was high or something. I'm gonna be all over that book when it comes out Randy G.

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The Commish:

Keep going, Arne. I was loving your memory of being on the air with Dave Wolf. What a character he was! I do believe the Harlem Butcher was Tyrone Jackson.

For what it's worth, Wolf did a great job of moving Ed "Too Tall" Jones, or at least, a great job of launching his career. Jones, who took his boxing seriously, became upset when the top writers in the sport competed with each other to find new ways to make fun of him. Frustrated, he quit. I really wish he had continued.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"Lol! Ouch, Amayseng! I thought you was my dude!"

I am! it's all good. Dont let my a.d.d scorn you!

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The Commish:

I think Larry Holmes was one of history's best heavyweight champions. With that, I still think Holmes would have lost to Cooney had "Gentleman Gerry" been turned loose in his career. Unfortunately, his managers, known as the "Wacko Twins," held him back something awful. They knew what they had on their hands and knew they could steer Gerry into a title shot simply by keeping him unbeaten. He went into the Holmes fight desperately needing rounds. His previous fight had been a sub-one-minute performance against Kenny Norton over one year earlier. That was certainly no way to prepare for a great fighter like Holmes. Yet, despite the lack of rounds and experience, Cooney was still able to take Holmes deep and bring out the best of him.

There was also the issue of Cooney's alcohol abuse. But that stuff I am saving for my book, "Glove Affair."

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"Maybe I will look Chris up as I know I didnt win, overtime and coaching baseball has sorely stolen my TSS time and with these up and comers that drop in 756 times a day, responding with 47 paragraph posts on EVERY thread, well there is not much one can do to make an impact with such quantity.

However I am more like you Roast, short and sweet works for me. If I have to scroll down for 37 seconds and am still on the same post (sorry Shadow) then I usually skip it.

Having said that, good luck you overposting bastards...."


Lol! Ouch, Amayseng! I thought you was my dude!

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ArneK.:

Whenever someone mentions Donny LaLonde, I'm reminded of David Wolf, his late manager. Wolf wasn't good at picking out toupees, but he had a knack for finding fighters with a good back story. He also managed Boom Boom Mancini and the giant NFL DE turned boxer Too Tall Jones, a career change that didn't transition well at all. The last time I saw Wolf, in Primm, Nevada, he was managing a fighter he nicknamed the Harlem Butcher (I'm embarrassed to say that I forget the boxer's name). I did two hours with David Wolf at the Stardust on a radio show that I once hosted. David was a great guest because he was smart and versatile. He belonged to IBRO (the International Boxing Research Organization), but he also wrote a book about a basketball player, "Foul," the story of Connie Hawkins, a truly great book for any serious sports fan. LaLonde was a Canadian with a hockey background, but after bleaching his long blond hair (I'll bet that was David's idea), he had the persona of a California surfer dude. LaLonde won a version of the light heavyweight title, but his claim to claim was that he knocked Sugar Ray on the seat of his pants. I was an interested bystander; the Commish is better qualified to flesh out the story.

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The Commish:

As I have long said, "I am the luckiest fight fan ever born. I was the color analyst for the SRL-Donny Lalonde fight in Las Vegas. I announced the fight with Sam Rosen, one of the best announcers ever to speak into a microphone. The fight was actually promoted by Vince McMahon. Yes, THAT Vince McMahon.



Roast, you are so right abourt SRL. In the ring, he was indeed a vicious S.O.B. Inside the ropes, he would have smacked his own mother. He was that same vicious S.O.B. against Thomas Hearns in 1981, which is still the most exciting night of boxing I have ever been at.



With the memories of that fight swirling around in my head, I need to watch the youtube video of it one more time.



What a night! What a fight!! What memories!!!



If you ever have questions about that night tR, just ask. I'll be glad to make you feel like you were there with me, Marv, Ferdie & Don.



-Randy G.

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ArneK.:

Good luck fellows. I hope I don't drop the baton with a bad case of bloggers block.

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amayseng:

Maybe I will look Chris up as I know I didnt win, overtime and coaching baseball has sorely stolen my TSS time and with these up and comers that drop in 756 times a day, responding with 47 paragraph posts on EVERY thread, well there is not much one can do to make an impact with such quantity.

However I am more like you Roast, short and sweet works for me. If I have to scroll down for 37 seconds and am still on the same post (sorry Shadow) then I usually skip it.

Having said that, good luck you overposting bastards....

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the Roast:

Wasn't Rube Goldgerg the name of the woman who came out of the bathtub in the Shining? Room 237? Now I'm gonna have nightmares.

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Skibbz:

"Haha You always get super hype when it comes to the Russian bad ***! I have heard of him eating raw meat in an interview I think? Have any cool info on him? I did watch that amateur video you posted of his. He is relentless. He has a pro style all the way through."

Hahaha yeah man he's got everything I want a fighter to have, and acts every bit the way a champion should in my view. Everyone has a fighter they would root for against the devil himself and for me that champion is Ruslan. His fights are a rollercoaster ride for me, full of ups and downs but that's what makes it even greater to watch. That amateur video really shows you the kind of character he has. Growing up as a Mansi in Russia is not easy and he would get racially abused by kids his own age and adults all the time. However, one hard thump later and they were no longer call him names. He started boxing young, and eventually made it into Moscow's elite boxing gym which was a 10 hour train ride away.

Cool info? Well he plays the guitar well, and used to hunt bears with his family when he was younger. It's a tradition of the Mansi that dates back a long time which they still keep to this day, although it's with guns now. Something more boxing related, when he first got into talks with Artie about a move to America, he didn't know whether to trust him or not. So Artie proposed that he sort him a few fights, free of charge to earn his trust. The result was 4 fights in the US, and true to his word Artie didn't take a dime.

He was really chasing big names after the Alvarado fight, you'd think the guy with the belt would be able to get the big guys to come after him... It wasn't the case which is somewhat disappointing, but nothing new to the sport. That's why we must commend both Algieri for taking the fight, and Ruslan for welcoming all challengers.

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ArneK.:

Okay, I'm dating myself here, but the first fight that I can recall was a fight I heard on the radio: Patterson-Johansson I with Don Dunphy doing the blow-by-blow. It was such a big upset that I had to go out and tell someone. It was past my bedtime, but luckily for me the lady in the house across the street had called the cops after her hubby came home drunk and belligerent once again, so there were two cop cars in front of my house. I told the cops and they wanted to know the details. Defusing the domestic disturbance was suddenly of less importance than hearing what the kid (me) had to say.

I too look forward to reading the book by the Commish. However, I have to tell you Randy that although it gets very hot in Las Vegas -- and hotter still in an outdoor boxing ring -- 125 degrees for Hearns-Leonard I seems a bit excessive. The night that Barry McGuigan fought Stevie Cruz outdoors at Caesars Palace (June 23, 1986) -- now that night was hot. I was sweating profusely during the bout without ever leaving my seat.

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The Shadow:

Fringe-belt legitimization aside, this is an excellent piece on Hopkins: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/despite-all-he-s-accomplished--49-year-old-bernard-hopkins-remains-underappreciated-210117879.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

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flackoguapo:

Haha You always get super hype when it comes to the Russian bad ***! I have heard of him eating raw meat in an interview I think? Have any cool info on him? I did watch that amateur video you posted of his. He is relentless. He has a pro style all the way through.

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Skibbz:

It was an interesting and exciting press conference. Loved that Ruslan wore his traditional Mansi clothing. I hope Chris doesn't freeze on the night... Looked like it was dawning on him whom he was going to square across June 14th. The Mansi Mauler is bringing pain in abundance, and no motor will get you away from that.



He wasn't saying it, presumably doesn't want to scare Algieri off too soon, but it's going to be war, a street fight and the new-to-boxing 19-0 Huntington NYC native is going to get his ear drums popped, his jaw broken and go home with a head the shape of a pumpkin.



The Siberian Rocky devours bear hearts for breakfast, and if you thought any of the voodoo Mama Pac was doing was strong... Wait till you see what the Mansi can incite!





(On a serious note, I can't wait for this. Going to be a great test for both fighters. Fair play to Algieri for taking it and Ruslan for giving him the shot. It's not going to be easy for either guy, as with all Ruslan fights it will eventually boil down to a test of character and will. Wish the best for both men.)

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The Shadow:

"Few fighters can consistently throw as many as 80 punches per round. A guy like Leo Santa Cruz tosses close to 100. I see no way Marcos Maidana can come out, against boxing's top PxP fighter, perhaps the greatest defensive fighter in history, and throw 120 punches per round.

No way. Ain't gonna' happen.

Maidana may try to throw that many, but, in doing so, is gonna' eat so many counter-shots he'll swearhe is fighting two men.

Can't wait for May 3.

-Randy G."


Exactly!

Although I just watched the first two rounds vs Broner. Man, that dude is relentless! And Broner's got some serious heart to be taking that whooping the way he did and still trying to win!

But nope, no 80 punches per round. If he does, it's an early night, by Floyd standards. But then again, if he doesn't he will just get outfoxed.

It is not easy.

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The Commish:

Few fighters can consistently throw as many as 80 punches per round. A guy like Leo Santa Cruz tosses close to 100. I see no way Marcos Maidana can come out, against boxing's top PxP fighter, perhaps the greatest defensive fighter in history, and throw 120 punches per round.



No way. Ain't gonna' happen.



Maidana may try to throw that many, but, in doing so, is gonna' eat so many counter-shots he'll swearhe is fighting two men.



Can't wait for May 3.



-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

Good question, Arne. (Do you have Scandinavian roots by any chance?)

He'd been in there with Jimmy Young. Even for just a few rounds, that is valuable experience.

He had been exposed to different styles and passed the tests. I think he was as ready as he could be.

Besides, Ali only had, what, 19 fights before becoming champion? Leon Spinks had seven?

In Gerry's case, I think he just so happened to face a superior boxer while lacking the necessary 15 round experience.

Had he become accustomed to going 15, it probably is a much more even fight if it takes place in 1986.

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The Commish:

I was ringside for that fight. I have see guys twitch and shake, but have never seen a KO'd fighter, stretchedon his back, throwing punches at the ceiling. All of us in the ringside press area were wide-eyed as we watched the KO'd Brown still fighting.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

""the moment"


terrible title.


the moment what? when people realize after blowing 70 bones on a sparring session that floyd should be fighting guys of his caliber, like Pac, SM or GGG."


Lol that's classic

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amayseng:

Man I wish we could get boxnation here in the States...

I already pay for showtime and hbo, bought the pac bradley fight which I enjoyed and will hold out only for

Sergio and Cotto.

No way I am giving money to the Mayweather fight.

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flackoguapo:

I think Paulie has hurt his hands so much that he rarely throws anything but arm punches. Or he is lying about the hands being hurt and he just naturally doesn't have the power to trade with guys. He does have a very nice jab and shifty footwork. But I think Abner Mares has a better shot at hurting MM than Paulie does Shadow. I know you know your stuff but I just don't see it. Paulie can box real well but I dont see how he can hurt Mayweather. I thought I saw Mayweather countering Guerrero with so much more confidence than he was against Cotto or even Canelo and I think it was because he was less worried about the power. And Paulie will box circles around Guerrero, but my point being is that Mayweather is too good to try and outbox without making him feel the vulnerability of the knockout.

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What's Next For Pugilist-Specialist Rigondeaux?

He might well be the best pure pugilist on the planet. His ability to execute his gameplan, with subtle brilliance, doesn't go unnoticed by a multitude of fight fans. However, in a world which seems increasingly to punish subtlety, and reward excess, the over the top, Guillermo Rigondeaux is, while being regarded almost universally one of the top pound for pound talents, is still finding his place, clarifying his role in the fightgame milieu. The clarification process will proceed on July 19, on a Macau card promoted by Top Rank. I reached...

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Dawejko Fights Rideout May 16 in South Philly

HEAVYWEIGHTS DAWEJKO, RIDEOUT COLLIDE ON MAY 16 FIGHT CARD AS 2300 ARENA IN SOUTH PHILLY Philadelphia, PA—Heavyweights JoeyDawejko and Mark Rideout meet over eight rounds—or less—in an all-Philadelphia match on Friday evening, May 16, at the 2300 Arena in South Philadelphia. Topping the seven-bout card is an eight-round between undefeated junior welterweight prospects Naim Nelson, of Philadelphia, and Jerome Rodriguez, of Trenton, NJ. The seven-bout card program marks the first pro fight card at the 2300 Arena since Jan. 21,...

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