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dino da vinci:

Welcome yomi.

I score even rounds even. Thought that only fair. If a round is too close to call, then it's an even round. Today's judges have a difficult time identifying the winner of clear-cut rounds, why would we want to go down the road where we're splitting atoms?

I will definitely score this one. Thanks for posting.

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dino da vinci:

Prayers on behalf of the Goossen family. Rest In Peace, Mr Goossen.

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amayseng:

I agree that he lacked ring generalship, but I had him ahead of Froch and Whooping Abraham like a red headed step child before the flagrant foul.

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stormcentre:

Andre Dirrell is a brilliantly skilled fighter, that often shines in fights that resemble closely contested sparring sessions.

His two main problems - on the big stage and against fighters not easily deterred - centre around (his) power and (their) punch resistance and overall resilience.

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DaveB:

I'm so sorry to hear of Ed Derian's passing. He was my favorite ring announcer. I always loved his "now in the blue corner, he hails from so and so, he has a record of so and so with x number of big knockouts, etc. and then the double last name". The guy was a classic. A few months ago I googled his name because I wanted to see if he was still alive. This man was/is boxing history. Roast I like your story too, though tragic. I too found a friend I knew in high school. A very sweet girl now a woman. She has medical issues but nothing terminal, thank God. She really has had to trust me to respond on FB and said that some people can't deal with her health issues. But I plan on seeing her in a few months and making the visit you and the Commish weren't able to. Nice writing Commish about a legend in our sport.

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SouthPaul:

10 count for one of 10 Goosen's finest. Him and his brother Joe definitely brought class and style to the game. Both always sharply dressed!

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stormcentre:

Nice piece Mike.

Moving on . . .

So (in response to Oscar's claims) GBP works for Canelo eh?

Not the other way around?

I'd like to see how that contract is written.

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The Commish:

"Stevens is a bore"


His interviews, though, are great for insomniacs!

-Randy G.

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yomi:

"First of all, Yomi, welcome to the site, as least as a poster on these threads.



The fight was competitive in every round. Many of the rounds were down-to-the-wire close, making those who were judging (us included) stop to think, "Okay, who should I give that round to?"



For that reason, for the incredible competitiveness of the fight, I can understand almost any score. This was not a horrendous decision. This was not Bradley-Pacquiao I. Hopefully, though, a rematch is ordered by the WBO. It certainly is a fight worth seeing again.



-Randy G."




Whoops, I may have got a bit ahead of myself there...

Thanks for the welcome to the forum Randy. I've been reading the site on a regular basis for a few months now (ever since that amazing series of articles by Springs Toldeo on Little Tiger Wade), this is the first time I've commented.



In response to your points on Abraham-Smith: I could understand almost any close score card.

Three landslide score cards for the house fighter (in Germany) just screams "fix" to me. The 119-109 scorecard was just ... wrong.

I agree that it wasn't Bradley-Pacquiao I, but it was a very cynical ending to what had been a pretty good bout.

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deepwater2:

The golden boy making the fights we want. Oscar took on the best and wants to make the best fights. It's the formula to make a fighter great. No boxing fan can be disappointed in that.



BJ Bill's wife might have given the answer, what difference does it make!? In response to your question.

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amayseng:

Wonderful guy and fighter. What a true warrior. Man what a left body hook.

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Kid Blast:

Stevens is a bore

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Radam G:

"I'm not high on Stevens. He's an entertainer who doesn't get it. We had him on the show last week. From what I understood, Kathy Duva asked to have him on.



Then his publicist set up the interview, giving the impression of a serious organization -- first promoter then PR manager arranging for an interview -- which would make you think the dude would be prepared or at least enthused to speak on his next fight.



Instead, he called from what sounded like a $2 phone with a $2 service, gave the most canned answers, appeared completely uninterested to the point of disgust, eventually got disconnected and didn't bother to call back for a segment allotted to him.



Gerry Cooney tried his absolute best to get this dry dude to open up, be friendly with him, assuage him, work his ego...Nothing!



If he was just a quiet guy, OK. But he's not. He just appears surly with the media.



And peep this, brother. Just one day prior to his "cameo" he was complaining about guys getting shots for various reasons.



Well, Curtis Stevens had an open mic to speak, state his case, cut a promo and get people to care about him.



He failed -- and failed miserably.



This is professional sports. Doing media is part of the job description whether you like it or not.



And especially in boxing, an industry where the business model is one that models that of Hollywood more than the NBA, one that models professional wrestling more than the NFL, one where your entire earning's potential is predicated on YOU making people CARE about whether/when YOU perform!



Again, he failed -- and failed miserably.



One guy who didn't fail was one Deontay Wilder on last night's show or Shannon Briggs. That's how you do an interview."




You get a dude like Curt-Stev to talk by calling his pops lazy and ugly and his moms fat and can't cook. And saying that his uncle Troy Lee can stay outta jail. Hehehe! Curt-Stev would've open up a can of kick-@$$ then. GOAT Ali used to get every mouth-tight dude to holla with this formula. Holla!

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The Commish:

"I'm not high on Stevens. He's an entertainer who doesn't get it. We had him on the show last week. From what I understood, Kathy Duva asked to have him on.

Then his publicist set up the interview, giving the impression of a serious organization -- first promoter then PR manager arranging for an interview -- which would make you think the dude would be prepared or at least enthused to speak on his next fight.

Instead, he called from what sounded like a $2 phone with a $2 service, gave the most canned answers, appeared completely uninterested to the point of disgust, eventually got disconnected and didn't bother to call back for a segment allotted to him.

Gerry Cooney tried his absolute best to get this dry dude to open up, be friendly with him, assuage him, work his ego...Nothing!

If he was just a quiet guy, OK. But he's not. He just appears surly with the media.

And peep this, brother. Just one day prior to his "cameo" he was complaining about guys getting shots for various reasons.

Well, Curtis Stevens had an open mic to speak, state his case, cut a promo and get people to care about him.

He failed -- and failed miserably.

This is professional sports. Doing media is part of the job description whether you like it or not.

And especially in boxing, an industry where the business model is one that models that of Hollywood more than the NBA, one that models professional wrestling more than the NFL, one where your entire earning's potential is predicated on YOU making people CARE about whether/when YOU perform!

Again, he failed -- and failed miserably.

One guy who didn't fail was one Deontay Wilder on last night's show or Shannon Briggs. That's how you do an interview."


I am so glad you have been on hand to hear and partake in these interviews. Some guys get it. Some don't. We almost serve as an outlet for them. We let them talk about anything they want, including their sponsors. Anything! Then guys like Curtis Stevens comes on and sounds as if he's doing us a favor by being there.

Guess what, Curtis? There's no media surge at the doors of Main Events, pleading to hear some of your wit and wisdom and enjoy your sense of humor. You call yourself "Showtime." That's obviously you inside a ring. Because outside, you are anything but "Showtime." You are "Curtains Down."

As Don King used to tell his fighters who had zero charisma in a back room after a press conference, "Get a personality, son. Go do that and I'll get you some money!"

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"Maybe you did! They have two other job openings also. Spanish is a prerequisite ."

Yeah, I just saw. I also saw that that particular entity was founded this year. One thing about the guy is that he has several companies; the one I know about is in Encino. This one is in Vegas.

The domain he has listed is still parked, not yet in use. So this must be for whatever he has planned, the fact that he needs someone Spanish speaking says quite a bit, I think.

Or maybe it's just to handle some of his Latin fighters. Nice digging!

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deepwater2:

"No, didn't get to question him about that! I was going to, I was hoping THAT would get him to talk. Then he got disconnected.

Hahaha, nice ad! Who knows, maybe I posted it! ;)"


Maybe you did! They have two other job openings also. Spanish is a prerequisite .

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The Shadow:

"The chin checker is getting into his extra angry mode two days before his fight. Can't blame for not going on an emotional rant so close to fight time and the weigh in. N'dam has a chance in the fight. He out boxed Quillin and I had him winning despite the 10 times he got dropped.

I missed the show but did you guys question him over his al Haymon statements?

Something to the tune that Taylor is shot and is only in the fight because of funny business behind the scenes.

And Al Haymon is bad for boxing.


I saw that Haymon boxing is hiring on LinkedIn . Shadow I thought of you. Here is the job description

Social Media/Digital Content Strategist
Haymon Boxing Management
Las Vegas, Nevada Area - Sep 16, 2014
Haymon Boxing Management, the world’s premier boxing management company, headquartered in Las Vegas, NV, is searching for an experienced Social Media & Digital Content Strategist, with solid experience and a record of success in online marketing and social channels. The Social & ..."


No, didn't get to question him about that! I was going to, I was hoping THAT would get him to talk. Then he got disconnected.

Hahaha, nice find, Deep! Who knows, maybe I posted it! ;)

JK!

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deepwater2:

The chin checker is getting into his extra angry mode two days before his fight. Can't blame for not going on an emotional rant so close to fight time and the weigh in. N'dam has a chance in the fight. He out boxed Quillin and I had him winning despite the 10 times he got dropped.

I missed the show but did you guys question him over his al Haymon statements?

Something to the tune that Taylor is shot and is only in the fight because of funny business behind the scenes.

And Al Haymon is bad for boxing.


I saw that Haymon boxing is hiring on LinkedIn . Shadow I thought of you. Here is the job description

Social Media/Digital Content Strategist
Haymon Boxing Management
Las Vegas, Nevada Area - Sep 16, 2014
Haymon Boxing Management, the world’s premier boxing management company, headquartered in Las Vegas, NV, is searching for an experienced Social Media & Digital Content Strategist, with solid experience and a record of success in online marketing and social channels. The Social & ...

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The Shadow:

"I hear you Deep.

I'm looking forward to Stevens vs N'Dam.
He's recovered well from the GGG beat down and looks as confident and brash as ever.

N'Dam can move and box but he can't take hard punches well.
If Stevens wins I'd like to see if Quillin will go for his title.
Its a good "All NY Battle" with two evenly matched bangers."


I'm not high on Stevens. He's an entertainer who doesn't get it. We had him on the show last week. From what I understood, Kathy Duva asked to have him on.

Then his publicist set up the interview, giving the impression of a serious organization -- first promoter then PR manager arranging for an interview -- which would make you think the dude would be prepared or at least enthused to speak on his next fight.

Instead, he called from what sounded like a $2 phone with a $2 service, gave the most canned answers, appeared completely uninterested to the point of disgust, eventually got disconnected and didn't bother to call back for a segment allotted to him.

Gerry Cooney tried his absolute best to get this dry dude to open up, be friendly with him, assuage him, work his ego...Nothing!

If he was just a quiet guy, OK. But he's not. He just appears surly with the media.

And peep this, brother. Just one day prior to his "cameo" he was complaining about guys getting shots for various reasons.

Well, Curtis Stevens had an open mic to speak, state his case, cut a promo and get people to care about him.

He failed -- and failed miserably.

This is professional sports. Doing media is part of the job description whether you like it or not.

And especially in boxing, an industry where the business model is one that models that of Hollywood more than the NBA, one that models professional wrestling more than the NFL, one where your entire earning's potential is predicated on YOU making people CARE about whether/when YOU perform!

Again, he failed -- and failed miserably.

One guy who didn't fail was one Deontay Wilder on last night's show or Shannon Briggs. That's how you do an interview.

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The Commish:

Happy Birthday, Micky, and many more!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Great piece Commish. I always like Ed Derian as a ring announcer and remember him as being a staple at the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia. After Tuesday Night Fights ended, sadly didn't see him on tv as much as we used to. He was very good at what he did and will be missed,"

I wish each of you could have known him personally. He was like a close uncle to everyone he met.

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

Great piece Commish. I always like Ed Derian as a ring announcer and remember him as being a staple at the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia. After Tuesday Night Fights ended, sadly didn't see him on tv as much as we used to. He was very good at what he did and will be missed,

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The Commish:

"Ward posted a few good appropriate words in response to Goossen's passing on his Facebook page. I received about twenty notifications regarding Goossen on my page as well. It's evident that he was admired by many .... Even casual fans."

Dan was such a good guy. When those who don't understand boxing and see it as nothing more than a couple of thugs bashing each other's face in and a bunch of crooks running around taking their money ask me "Why are you involved in such a business, I tell them "Dan Goossen." I tell them "Ed Derian."

I'm also willing to bet their chosen business has its share of creeps and lowlifes, as well. But I do know this about the business they are in:

They don't have anybody like Dan Goossen or Ed Derian.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"@The Commish
Yes, Jim was about as biased as he always is (read: very). Regardless of that all three official scorecards were laughably bad and ruined a great contest. I expected a draw, or a one or two point difference in either man's favour. 117-111 twice and 119-109 makes me think that the judges filled out their scorecards long before the bell rang for the first round. Which in turn makes me think "Wish I hadn't wasted my time watching a fixed fight". I love our sport, but I'm not sure how many more of these I can take (there's been far too many recently).


@skibbz
Glad that Hearn has convinced the WBO to review, hopefully Smith wil get a rematch... having said that, I'm sure that Raymundo Beltran is feeling even more hard done by at the moment..."


First of all, Yomi, welcome to the site, as least as a poster on these threads.

The fight was competitive in every round. Many of the rounds were down-to-the-wire close, making those who were judging (us included) stop to think, "Okay, who should I give that round to?"

For that reason, for the incredible competitiveness of the fight, I can understand almost any score. This was not a horrendous decision. This was not Bradley-Pacquiao I. Hopefully, though, a rematch is ordered by the WBO. It certainly is a fight worth seeing again.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I predicted a phony injury that postponed this fight earlier due to Don King.

Now the question is ,if Jay Z - Roc Nation shows up and wins the purse bid, will tsAH pull a Quillin and yank DW out of the fight?

I was betting tsAH would come to terms before a purse bid was ordered just to Lock out the new guy on the block.


Quillin lost whatever few fans he had when he ducked MK. People on here can say he might make more money in his next fight but a champion would keep his belt,defend against his mandatory for his biggest purse ever and then make another defense for bigger money. Quillin isn't even a paper champion anymore."


The purse bid was originally supposed to take place on September 12. It was then postponed until October 1, because, according to Don King, Bermane Stiverne had suffered a hand injury in his title-winning fight against Cris Arreola in May, and the hand was still sore.

Uh-huh. If you bought that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you, as well.

In reality, Stiverne needed more time. He had become a heavyweight Roberto Duran, eating his way right out of the division following his big win. King also needed the additional time to try and find a loophole to get Stiverne another fight, a different opponent, not one who stands a shade over 6'7," has taken out all 32 of his opponents and is in the gym six days a week.

On top of it all, King had to deal with Wilder's adviser, Al Haymon. King is not used to hearing any voice other than his at the negotiating table. He is not used to being verbally manhandled. King is not used to pointing his finger at someone in a negotiation and yelling, "Do you have any idea of what I can do to you? You and your fighter will be out of the ratings before you get to the door. I will ruin you. I will ruin both of you!" Times have changed!

Whether King likes it or not, Bermane Stiverne is going to have to make his first--and possibly only--defense against Deontay Wilder, most likely under a promotional banner other than Don King Promotions. It will be interesting to see if Stiverne's manager, wealthy businessman Camille Estephan, will show up in Mexico City to make a purse bid on the fight. One thing we know: It won't be King. For whatever reason, this lonely, tired, extremely wealthy octogenarian will not reach into his deep pockets to promote this fight. Why? The fact is, he has no faith in his fighter being able to make it past this first defense. Why go through the trouble of promoting a show, King figures, when the man you're promoting is not going to win.

Moving from a Haymon heavyweight (Wilder) to a Haymon middleweight (Peter Quillin), here's the story. This is a business to Haymon, not a sport. It's all about making money. I know Peter Quillin. I know him well. He wanted to fight Matt Korobov. He wants to fight Miguel Cotto. He wants to face GGG. However, Peter Quillin does two things: He trains and he fights. He doesn't do business. He doesn't negotiate money. He doesn't talk contracts. He doesn't play one network against the other. He was set to face Korobov when Haymon stepped in and said "The fight's off. You're vacating the title."
He didn't want to work with Top Rank-promoted Korobov. In doing so, Haymon/Quillin gave up a $1.4 million payday. Haymon doesn't give up $1.4 million paydays unless he has a plan. A plan it is. That plan will be implemented in early 2015. If successful, there will be a lot more than $1.4 million waiting for Quillin. As I said, this is a business to Haymon. Nothing more.

Don't blame Quillin for listening to the Chief Financial Officer of his business.

Haymon and Quillin didn't mean to upset you. It's nothing personal.

It's just business!

-Randy G.

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yomi:

@The Commish

Yes, Jim was about as biased as he always is (read: very). Regardless of that all three official scorecards were laughably bad and ruined a great contest. I expected a draw, or a one or two point difference in either man's favour. 117-111 twice and 119-109 makes me think that the judges filled out their scorecards long before the bell rang for the first round. Which in turn makes me think "Wish I hadn't wasted my time watching a fixed fight". I love our sport, but I'm not sure how many more of these I can take (there's been far too many recently).





@skibbz

Glad that Hearn has convinced the WBO to review, hopefully Smith wil get a rematch... having said that, I'm sure that Raymundo Beltran is feeling even more hard done by at the moment...

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brownsugar:

Ward posted a few good appropriate words in response to Goossen's passing on his Facebook page. I received about twenty notifications regarding Goossen on my page as well. It's evident that he was admired by many .... Even casual fans.

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brownsugar:

I hear you Deep.

I'm looking forward to Stevens vs N'Dam.
He's recovered well from the GGG beat down and looks as confident and brash as ever.

N'Dam can move and box but he can't take hard punches well.
If Stevens wins I'd like to see if Quillin will go for his title.
Its a good "All NY Battle" with two evenly matched bangers.

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brownsugar:

Good tribute to Mr Derian

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brownsugar:

"You're right Brownsugar, in the amateurs he was a mega star, when you spoke of Lomachenko, Beterbiev's name shortly followed. There are more like those two still biding their time waiting for the right offers and right climate to make their move.

Someone who's mega stardom in the amateurs, a game where you can't simply run your mouth - a place where your fists and conditioning to all the talking, came from his exemplar skill is not going to be caught and disposed of by a thunder punch. It will take someone as skilled and determined to do it.

He is very subtle in his defence as you point out, his ring IQ is extremely high and he is incredibly sharp. He has great imagination to throw very high level punches from awkward or unexpected positions which catch his opponents off guard completely. What's even more notable in the Pro's is that he likes to scrap. He isn't one to shy away from fisticuffs but he will seek it out and when the time comes establish himself on top. He will treat us to a lot of good quality fights."


Well spoken Skibbz.
I liked his defense... just enough to avoid getting hit with hard shots.

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