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Radam G:

"SRL had a great chin. The knock downs didn't start until the comebacks started. First one was in the Kevin Howard fight. Next one was Donny Lalonde. Two in the Hearns rematch and two in the Norris fight. That's six. I don't remember if Ray got knocked down in the Camacho fight, I have blocked that fight from my memory. Makes me kind of queazy just thinking about it."

He got knockdown in the bout with the late, great Camacho. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Chris isnt a total sap.... He knows that buddying with Manny won't win the fight.. They both have too much pride and only use the niceties to mask their naturally uber competitive nature.

If they get any nicer I may change my mind and buy the fight myself against my better judgement.

These two fighters are the kind of guys who grin when their faces are a blood filled mask of bruises and welts

Losing a fight for either one would be as egregious an act as selling their souls to Satan.

The smiles and kind words is only a thin opaque layer of surface tension .....primed to be ripped away and subplanted by the burning passion of two of the most competive boxers in the welterweight division.

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oubobcat:

Cunningham looked good in my opinion against a much bigger man who turned out could fight some.

I will second the Commish's statement about giving Cunningham a big fight. Lets take away what is going on in his life at the moment and just look at his ring credentials. He beat Adamek at Heavyweight (I know it was a draw but come on), gave Tyson Fury major fits and beat Amir Mansour in a fight of the year type fight. He has earned the right for a big fight and a big payday.

I even have a suggestion. If Mansour wins next month, lets make the rematch and make it as an opening bout on a boxing after dark card. They made a great fight the first time and will do so again in a rematch. But they need a bigger stage and bigger paychecks. This would be a great boxing after dark co-feature. It will be much better than some heavyweight fights we have seen as well recently on HBO. I say why not.

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Pazuzu:

Pazuzu's Top 10.

1. Ward
2. Golovkin
3. Mayweather
4. Pacquiao
5. Klitschko
6. R. Gonzalez
7. Kovalev
8. Froch
9. Hopkins
10. Rigondeaux

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brownsugar:

"I did an interview in NYC (using an interpreter) with Rigo around this time of year in 201. It was shortly before he won the 122-pound belt from Rico Ramos. I asked if he planned on moving up to featherweight before much longer.

"I am very comfortable at 122," he replied. Then he surprised me when he said, "I can move down to 118 quicker and easier than I can move to 126. I don't even walk around at 126. I can get to 118 with no problem."

Indeed, he can. When he beat Ramos for the Super Bantamweight crown, Rigo weighed 120 1/2. In his very last defense, back in July, he weighed 121 1/2.

In his massive amateur record, during which time he won two Olympic gold medals (2000 & 2004), he fought most of his fights as a bantamweight. In several of his earlier amateur fights, he fought bantamweights while weighing considerably less than the flyweight limit of 112.

I'm sure if the money was right, Rigo would get in against Nicholas Walters or Vasyl Lomachenko. He may even beat them. Why should he, though? He is already showing himself to be one of history's great 122-pound champions, and just may drop down and wreak havoc on the world's bantamweights.

We have spoken about era greats and all-time greats in other posts. Guillermo Rigondeaux is an era great who is rapidly closing in on becoming an all-time great.

Hopefully, he doesn't throw away his impending legendary status for the sake of the almight dollar.

-Randy G."


Agreed!!!! excellent post

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oubobcat:

1. Mayweather
2. Golovkin
3. Rigondeaux
4. Pacquiao
5. Ward
6. Bradley
7. Marquez
8. Kovalev
9. Roman Gonzalez
10. Klitschko

I have dropped Ward due to sever inactivity and removed Mikey Garcia as well due to his inactivity. Not only are they inactive but have no fights on the horizon.

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stormcentre:

Not going to surprise me to see Hopkins win and/or expose Kovalev.

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stormcentre:

"I'd like to see it. Rigo says he can make bantamweight without any trouble and fights at 122 to get the bigger fights.
Rigo also says 126 is a bit heavy but he may consider it for a big enough purse however he was clear that he wasn't chasing anyone at that weight.
Maybe things will change with time."


Yep - it would be a good scrap wouldn't it?

And . . it would be as hotly anticipated as Ward V Golovkin too.

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The Shadow:

"Anything can happen Pascal caught Bhop with a shot that floored him. Pascal is much faster than KK and im sure Bhop is banking on that. However, KK is a better boxer and finisher that Pascal and is more active as Pascal fights in spots.

If anything KK's height and reach may pose a problem."


He's an extremely adept finisher. Once he's got you, there's no letting go.

If Bernie gets buzzed, he's gonna need ALL his tricks up his sleeve to pull through because this Kovalev cat goes video game on dudes, I'm talking Scorpio in Mortal Kombat.

"FINISH HIM!"

And he usually does.

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amayseng:

Anything can happen Pascal caught Bhop with a shot that floored him. Pascal is much faster than KK and im sure Bhop is banking on that. However, KK is a better boxer and finisher that Pascal and is more active as Pascal fights in spots.



If anything KK's height and reach may pose a problem.

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Radam G:

"SRL had a great chin. The knock downs didn't start until the comebacks started. First one was in the Kevin Howard fight. Next one was Donny Lalonde. Two in the Hearns rematch and two in the Norris fight. That's six. I don't remember if Ray got knocked down in the Camacho fight, I have blocked that fight from my memory. Makes me kind of queazy just thinking about it."

You just did not see them. They started in the amateurs and in sparring sessions. More damage are done to fighters in the amateurs and sparring sessions because they are more relax killa than alert killa. After all, the Roast, it was you who told us about the relax Houdini dying from a non-alert punch. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Get out of here!?

And what was that story of yours with brown trunks or something?"


As I have told you, things that happens and go on in boxing is stranger than fiction because 95 percent of all of the crazy is true. And Western-World people, especially don't believe jack that they are not in the loop of the poop about.

As you know, boxing is a fast brain sport. And once you can grab control of a pug's mine, you got his whole nine.

Imma tell you the whole story, but don't be hollering at videos of small pugs wearing brown trunks. I know that ev'ybodee and dey momma are on the trail of exactly who is TSS Reader Radam G. I'm definitely not TSS's "paid' monkey" that an illing reader called me.

Anyway! The AmerKano cat was all cocksure and racist -- in my part of the world -- and talking a lot of jive how he was going to knock me da double fudge out. And how he was not going to let a "tight-eyed g**k beat" him. And the jive sucka used some other choice words about the types of food that he believed Asians eat. The only foods that he was right about were coconut tree worms and balut.

He gave me the idea to make him wear brown trunks when he said that Asian foods are sh*t foods. And we even make our clothes out of "brown" sh*t. And that all of Asia "smelled like dog and cat sh*t."

Being from a family that has been a part of the Queenberry rules of boksing for over a 120 years, I know that fights are normally won long before the pugs enter dat squared jungle. So I had my cousins and friends -- who ran the hotel that he was staying at -- to go in his room when he was at a news conference a couple of days before the showtime and lift his red, white and blue "Rocky"-style trunks that he was going to wear and to take any extra pairs. Plus we paid all the local tailor shops not to make him any kind of trunks but "darkish turd-colored brown."

He came to the weight in still talking noise and asking the commission could he wear cut off sweat pants because his trunks were missing or lost.

"Nodda arrr puckin' way," one of my Pinoy trainers yelled. "There is a lot of trunks that he can wear."

"They ain't my kind, or the right color for me," the knucklehead said.

"Well, here you go; you are wearing these sh*t-colored trunks," I said. "You are full of sh*t. And you talk too much sh*t. And Imma beat the sh*t outta you, anyway. And when you sh*t your trunks. Nobody will be able to see it. So you are lucky and don't know it."

The "Ugly American"-tude dude agreed and the fight happened. Besides Da Don King told him that he would not get his 17-thousand-dollar paycheck if he didn't fight. Tude dude came to the dance with "A thousand-yard stare," as the crowd -- my crowd -- screamed: "You look like sh*t! Sh*t trunks! You look like sh*t! Sh*t trunks!"

And the tude dude fought the way that he believed that he looked. And that should not be surprising because -- once again -- boxing is a mind game. You feel, act and fight in the way you believe.

We made him feel like sh*t because of his tude, and his brain did the rest. Holla at this food video at the 6:30 point and see observe how easy AmerKanos go wacky about and stay away from brownish thing shaped a certain way. Power of suggestion is strong amongst the sensitive and naive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3Uy6xtLhU. Holla!

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the Roast:

Bernard is getting knocked out this time. I think Kovalev does hit harder than Pascal. The guys Kovalev are KOing are going down fast and hard.

I think it was Kid Blast who said Pascal laid out the plan to beat Hopkins. I believe this to be true.

As long as Kovalev puts the pressure on and lets his hands go something hard is going to land. Probably high on the head or on the temple and Bernard goes down. I just hope the ref doesn't stop the fight too fast, I don't want any controversy.

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the Roast:

SRL had a great chin. The knock downs didn't start until the comebacks started. First one was in the Kevin Howard fight. Next one was Donny Lalonde. Two in the Hearns rematch and two in the Norris fight. That's six. I don't remember if Ray got knocked down in the Camacho fight, I have blocked that fight from my memory. Makes me kind of queazy just thinking about it.

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The Shadow:

"It took me five years to appreciate Bhop after his loss to Taylor, and even longer after he underestimated Calzaghe and stunk up that fight and another few years to regain my trust after his dire fan-unfriendly fight against a used up Roy Jones.

However Bernard has earned my respect over the last few years. With wins over Cloud, Pavlik Pascal and Shumenov.
But who are those guys except for a quartet of underacheivers.

I dont believe that any one of them are anywhere close to being on the same level as Kovalev.

They know they are going to be in the ring against a 50 year old man.
Kovalev will not let him rest,...hug, slow dance and work the ref to victory.
Once Bhop is removed from his comfort zone and his in-ring clinch and grab techniques are nullified, his chancse for victory are exponentially reduced.
Dawson won using those tactics and isnt even close to being as skilled as SK.

Bhop has earned my utmost respect...but now its time to earn his rest from the battlefield."


Ninety percent of the time, I ride with you like a South Central Piru but I'm not too sure about this one...

Do you really think 3K is as skilled as Chad Dawson? That's quite a statement, especially considering Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself anointed Dawson the most skillful fighter in the sport in his absence.

Someone else mentioned that Kovalev punches harder than Pascal. I haven't felt their punches, obviously, but I don't necessarily agree with that assessment.

To me, Kovalev is not a devastating puncher. He's a devastating finisher.

He's a good puncher who buzzes you, like many fighters have the ability to do. But once you're hurt, he knows how to finish you off. That's his gift and the main thing that impresses me about him.

Pascal, on the other hand, can crack -- Hopkins himself says he's the guy with the biggest punch -- but isn't as adept at finishing guys as Kovalev.

As far as boxing skill goes, Hopkins is in a different stratosphere. Yes, styles make fights but there are levels to this ****.

He ain't knocking out The Alien. Scratch that. Does he have the resolve, the poise, the capability to outpoint, outbox the old master?

That's the only way he wins. I frankly don't think so. Not even by a long shot.

116-112, 115-113 x2, Hopkins.

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The Shadow:

"BTW, I see Sugar Ray Leonard as I see my number one guy -- Willie Pep -- on my Top 10 ATGs. IMHO they both had suspected chins, but great defensive moves and super recovery so the typical, and often times the great, opponents would not ever know that until after the fight and in watching the films.

In my qadzillion of films and videos of them -- time and time again -- on 'em I see opponents put da BUZZ, but quickly zooming side-to-side and away the Sugarman and the "Will o' the Wisp" slide, hide and glide by just playing like "that ain't nothin. CUZ! Holla!"


Ali was great at that, too! Joe Frazier not so much...

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Radam G:

BTW, I see Sugar Ray Leonard as I see my number one guy -- Willie Pep -- on my Top 10 ATGs. IMHO they both had suspected chins, but great defensive moves and super recovery so the typical, and often times the great, opponents would not ever know that until after the fight and in watching the films.



In my qadzillion of films and videos of them -- time and time again -- on 'em I see opponents put da BUZZ, but quickly zooming side-to-side and away the Sugarman and the "Will o' the Wisp" slide, hide and glide by just playing like "that ain't nothin. CUZ! Holla!

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The Shadow:

"That would be a hard call. But it would be Big Money Oscar D wearing a custom-made boxing cup with with footballer-like rib pads to cover his ribs because of some myth that I don't recall. He made Mayorga agree to let him use it.



Another would be Heavyweight King xxxx xxxxx, who actually used to wear pink boksing attire, making his opponent wear lady pink drawers. The dude -- a Big Texan name xxxxxx xxxx -- did it and in later life believe that it made him become gay. He suited some people but that that frivolous lawsuit was thrown out.



Boxing even outside of that squared jungle is the "theatre of the unexpected." And because it is a redlight-district sport, you will be shocked of what goes on.Their is all types of rituals, crime activities, superstitions, bullying to do this and that.



All the dirty haps of the game will forever be on da down low because it is too much money to lose to straighten it out. Holla!"




Get out of here!?



And what was that story of yours with brown trunks or something?

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Radam G:

"In his prime, SRL took one hellva' shot. Undefeated bomb-thrower Thomas Hearns nailed him a few times in their 1981 match, as did Roberto Duran in their first meeting.

Going into their fight, Hagler told me, "I will knock Leonard out the first time I land with anything resembling a hard punch."

Never happened.

Yes, Leonard went down in his pro career, but not when he was at the top of his game.

He is, in my book, an all-time great!

-Randy G."


WOW! Your book is right! Hehehe! No doubt that Ray is an all-time great. He is on my Top 10 list of all time greats. Holla!

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Radam G:

"SK aint going down "to the mat" but he will be wandering around the ring aimlessly wondering what the hell is going on and why can't he corner this old guy and make him fall down like everyone has done for him.

SK only knows one script, one story. BH is a master writer. If he sees the story isn't going like he wants it to, he will re-write the script while the rest of us are reading it still."


AMEN! Nuff said! Holla!

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MCM:

I'm going to savor Nov 8 because I believe this is Hopkins' last fight. And whether he goes out in glorious victory or in noble defeat, I'm going to stand up and applaud when the final bell sounds.



I only wish I would have bought another couple tickets so I can share the moment with more friends.

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kidcanvas:

pac will go through chris like s**t through a goose ... the "friendliness" will just make it easier for chris to lose

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brownsugar:

sorry i missed the deadline... Put in 12 hours yesterday and didn't quit till midnight. I look forward to the monthly consensus

If had enough time this would have been my pick

Andre Ward... Even though he's been a ghost lately
Golovkin
Mayweather ... Highest Paid doesn't = highest rated...show me something
Rigondeaux
Pacquiao
Klitschko
Kovalev
BHOP
Froch
Roman Gonzales

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Froggy:

Kovalev !

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Froggy:

As great as Hopkins is, if doesn't retire at the right time, he is going to grow old before everyone's eyes one of these times ! No shame if it happens against Kovolov !

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michigan400:

SK aint going down "to the mat" but he will be wandering around the ring aimlessly wondering what the hell is going on and why can't he corner this old guy and make him fall down like everyone has done for him.



SK only knows one script, one story. BH is a master writer. If he sees the story isn't going like he wants it to, he will re-write the script while the rest of us are reading it still.

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The Commish:

Come on! A few more sets of ratings. The more the better. A few were just in-boxed to me.

If you're reading this, you should be sending your list. You know the sport. Send us your list. You have until 11:59 tonight.

They new list will be posted first thing in the morning.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I agree with about 99 percent of what you are saying. There is a one percent chance -- of course I'm speculating that -- 3g would have caught Ray. Ray had everything that you said but a great chin. But his speed and smarts kept him from getting finished a lot of times after he got knocked on his butt.

As amateurs and pros, the most chinny great and good amateurs and pros in history would be Sugar Ray Leonard and Howard Davis Jr. They were master at rising from knockdowns and whuppin' butts.

My extended family's boksing libraries have old 8mm and 16mm films, 3/5 and 1/2 betamax and VHS tapes on those suckers. Holla!"


In his prime, SRL took one hellva' shot. Undefeated bomb-thrower Thomas Hearns nailed him a few times in their 1981 match, as did Roberto Duran in their first meeting.

Going into their fight, Hagler told me, "I will knock Leonard out the first time I land with anything resembling a hard punch."

Never happened.

Yes, Leonard went down in his pro career, but not when he was at the top of his game.

He is, in my book, an all-time great!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"I love these kind of questions spark much debate, all of them intelligent and all of them passionate. And obviously, without a true answer.




GGG is an era great. He is not yet an all-time great.

SRL is an all-time great.

SRL's speed, power, movement chin, heart and all-around athletic ability would have been too much for GGG.

SRL wins a unanimous decision.

-Randy G."


I agree with about 99 percent of what you are saying. There is a one percent chance -- of course I'm speculating that -- 3g would have caught Ray. Ray had everything that you said but a great chin. But his speed and smarts kept him from getting finished a lot of times after he got knocked on his butt.

As amateurs and pros, the most chinny great and good amateurs and pros in history would be Sugar Ray Leonard and Howard Davis Jr. They were master at rising from knockdowns and whuppin' butts.

My extended family's boksing libraries have old 8mm and 16mm films, 3/5 and 1/2 betamax and VHS tapes on those suckers. Holla!

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The Commish:

I did an interview in NYC (using an interpreter) with Rigo around this time of year in 201. It was shortly before he won the 122-pound belt from Rico Ramos. I asked if he planned on moving up to featherweight before much longer.

"I am very comfortable at 122," he replied. Then he surprised me when he said, "I can move down to 118 quicker and easier than I can move to 126. I don't even walk around at 126. I can get to 118 with no problem."

Indeed, he can. When he beat Ramos for the Super Bantamweight crown, Rigo weighed 120 1/2. In his very last defense, back in July, he weighed 121 1/2.

In his massive amateur record, during which time he won two Olympic gold medals (2000 & 2004), he fought most of his fights as a bantamweight. In several of his earlier amateur fights, he fought bantamweights while weighing considerably less than the flyweight limit of 112.

I'm sure if the money was right, Rigo would get in against Nicholas Walters or Vasyl Lomachenko. He may even beat them. Why should he, though? He is already showing himself to be one of history's great 122-pound champions, and just may drop down and wreak havoc on the world's bantamweights.

We have spoken about era greats and all-time greats in other posts. Guillermo Rigondeaux is an era great who is rapidly closing in on becoming an all-time great.

Hopefully, he doesn't throw away his impending legendary status for the sake of the almight dollar.

-Randy G.

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