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The Shadow:

"I give Fury all the credit in the world for signing to face Alexander Ustinov. Check him out on youtube. Either Fury is extremely confident of the progress he says he has made or he is totally insane and out of control for picking Ustinov, but pick him he has.



Way to go, Tyson!



-Randy G."




Looks like Bernie got his wish! Ustinov! Who's next? Ibragimov! Julius Long! He about Tye Fields? Or even his distant cousin Evan, an other heavyweight crusader!

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dino da vinci:

There's a new piece of equipment that works the same muscle groups without the risk of decapitating a stablemate. I'll try to get a photo.

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SamuraiSam:

"How could you not like this fight. Did you like Provodnikov v Mike Alvarado? You certainly did. Well, this will be even better...even more fast-paced...even more exciting.

Rios has said he hates it when guys keep moving and running against him. Provodnikov said he cannot stand guys who refuse to engage. In that case, Rios and Provodnikov may fall in love the night they fight.

Rios is gonna' come forward. Provodnikov is gonna' come forward

Then...

Bring it on!

-Randy G."


Oh yeah, baby...like Rios previously said about his enjoyment of fighting, he's in for multiple ORGASMS! LOL

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amayseng:

Rios will never be the same if he fights The Russian.

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SamuraiSam:

"Yep Ali can been seen chopping wood in several videos...including his biographical DVD's.
Good for developing torque when turning you upper body into a punch.

I don't know if Kelly Pavlik invented it... But he ushered in the sledge-hammer monster tire work out. It became sort of a fad for a while. Berto, and Paul Williams were just a few of the early adopters.
Any number of rising contenders could be seen flipping, hammering, and rolling those humongous tires up stairwells.
Didn't help Paul W. against S. Martinez... but he did look formidable in training camp.

I'm almost disappointed the monster tire-workout DVD didn't get released.

Now they've adopted shaking those thick ropes used to tie Freightliner's to the pier.(mooring lines)
And have resorted to pushing pickup trucks over rough terrain. ( that's actually a work out l used when I first tried my hand at boxing, ...made me feel like a juggernaut )

And who can forget Hagler holding hand weights and shadowboxing chin deep in a swimming pool?

The things fighters do to be the best."


I give up trying to find the original footage of Margarito lumberjacking at the beach. Instead, the following vid, which more readily showed up with the keywords "Margarito 24/7" in the YouTube search, has the relevant scene although it's only briefly used, and in a more amusing context than seen in the original 24/7. I thought it was a well made, funny parody. So, just for sh1ts & giggles, you can see woodchopper Margarito at the 01:56 mark of the following vid:
Pacquiao vs Margarito Before & After The Fight 24-7 Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hncqSUMZWFg

Regarding the bold part of your comment, that makes a lot of sense for the development of upper body torque if the woodchopper was swinging the axe laterally like he is felling a vertically standing tree. So, is Margarito wasting time swinging overhead & downward at a horizontal log? Or maybe he was training to rain down overhand punches onto the "midget" (as Floyd calls him) Pacman? LOL

Does anyone have any theories on whether old school, improvised training methods build a fighter differently/better from one trained with new age, high-tech equipment & methodology, akin to Rocky's improvised training in the Siberian wilderness versus Ivan Drago's laboratory controlled training?

Brother Radam, I bet you have interesting stories how your old school ways have bested some new age Dragos in the game. How would you explain it?

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Bernie Campbell:

Given the chance, alot of guys can beat his ***, outside of USA!

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The Commish:

I give Fury all the credit in the world for signing to face Alexander Ustinov. Check him out on youtube. Either Fury is extremely confident of the progress he says he has made or he is totally insane and out of control for picking Ustinov, but pick him he has.

Way to go, Tyson!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

How could you not like this fight. Did you like Provodnikov v Mike Alvarado? You certainly did. Well, this will be even better...even more fast-paced...even more exciting.

Rios has said he hates it when guys keep moving and running against him. Provodnikov said he cannot stand guys who refuse to engage. In that case, Rios and Provodnikov may fall in love the night they fight.

Rios is gonna' come forward. Provodnikov is gonna' come forward

Then...

Bring it on!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

I was a teenager, on vacation with my parents and younger brother, when this fight took place. There's a chapter entitled "The Kings and I" in my upcoming book about my meeting Sonny Liston two days before this fight.

He was very nice to me, but when he asked where I was from, and I said "New York," he said, "You must be a Floyd Patterson fan." I told him I was.

"I'm gonna' kill him!" Liston growled. Then he patted my head and ordered ice cream sodas for me and my brother.

Liston could not have been nicer.

I was a college student when authorities found his body in a Las Vegas hotel room.

As for the man Liston knocked out twice in the first round--Floyd Patterson--who would have known that, 32 years after losing to Liston in Las Vegas, he would become Chairman of the New York State Athletic Commission.

The man he replaced at the NYSAC?

Me!

-Randy G.

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ArneK.:

I have no clue if Frank Galarza can fight a lick. The fact that he won the vacant New York State light middleweight title and then captured the interim WBC Latino light middleweight title tells me absolutely nothing.

I know that boxing promoters have forever contrived phony titles to dress up their promotions, but nowadays I would argue that it's counterproductive. It merely calls attention to the fact there there are too many dubious title-holders.

The venue is interesting. It begs the question of where boxing in the U.S. would be today if not for gambling joints. Depending on the source, the Resorts World racino has anywhere from 2200 to more than 5000 video lottery terminals -- slot machines in the vernacular.

I find it so ironic that Resorts World is only about 10 miles from LaGuardia Airport, named for a zealous anti-gambling crusader. The most iconic image of the "Little Flower" is that of the fellow on the barge fiendishly attacking a pile of slot machines with a sledgehammer.

Times change.

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deepwater2:

If this is true, Congrats for picking a live opponent Mr Fury! This boxer might of knocked out Chisora and Haye.



Alexander "The Great" Ustinov

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The Shadow:

"Is cortisone banned? If it is, I find that ridiculous. You can inject cortisone all day, but it won't make you a better athelete. You'll just end up with track marks.

If cortisone is a PED then so are antibiotics, becuase they help an athelete to recover from the flu quicker."


Don't know if it is, I just know it's part of a doping cocktail that supposedly allows you to recuperate faster.

Here's some information how Floyd Landis used it before winning the a Tour De France in '06. http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/Cortisone

Our man Lance allegedly tested positive for it in '99 but it was swept under the rug, much like they said they did with a Carl Lewis test in '88 or around that time.

And welcome to the discussion! Are you an athlete also?

EDIT: here's some of the swiping-under-the-rug stuff Radam talks about: http://youtu.be/F04etMA6bgk

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The Shadow:

"I think what you say there is why there really is no suspicion of Mayweather. I noticed that when he fought the Ghost that he was noticeably slower and not quite as crisp. The thing is though that when Floyd slows down, he is declining from a talent and skill level so far above everyone else's, that you almost miss it.

As far as him knocking out fighters earlier in his career, Floyd contrary to popular belief use to beat people to a pulp. However, he realized that to KO people he had to sit down and leave himself open to be countered. His style switched to a more protective style which has preserved him through the years. Up until the Maidana fight, you can make the argument that Floyd had been in only one real high pressure scrap in his entire career against Castillo. Cotto and De La Hoya were tough fights but neither would I classify as brawls that really take something out of guys.

I think people also miss out on the fact that being a KO artist takes something out of the guy throwing the bombs too. The amount of torque put on the shoulders, hips, calves, and feet to throw cinder block like punches is tremendous. You often hear of the hard hitting guys needing surgeries on their shoulders and knees late in their career because they have put so much pressure on them for so many years. Floyd has avoided that path as well."


Very, very good points. Of all accounts, they're meticulous about extending his career as much as possible. I think the same goes for B-Hop, he doesn't seem to be torquing with the same vigor. Wanna protect those joints.

Great, astute points all around! As usual.

Did any of you guys get a chance to read the German article?? If not, here are some out takes. Please share your thoughts:

"I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it's done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That's how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business."

"My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better."

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

"There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."

"I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance."

"We have used creams that leave no trace and give the athlete a steadily higher testosterone levels."

"Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they don't get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars I'll then build you a designer drug that can't be detected."

"Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers."

"What's happening now is laughable. It's a token. They should save their money or give it to me. I'll give it to the orphans of Mexico! There will be doping for as long as there is commercial sports, performance-related shoe contracts and television."

"Peak performances without doping are a fairytale, my friend."

"I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect."

"Track and field, swimming, cross-country skiing and cycling can no longer be saved. Golf? Not clean either. Soccer? Soccer players come to me and say they have to be able to run up and down the touchline without becoming tired, and they have to play every three days. Basketball players take fat burners amphetamines, ephedrin. Baseball? Haha. Steroids in pre-season, amphetamines during the games. Even archers take downers so that their arm remains steady. Everyone dopes."

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The Shadow:

"Shannon Briggs? Wilder? Tarver? Sam Sexton?Kali Meehan? Sprott? Malik Scott?

David Haye and Chisora are wankers for these last minute so called injuries"


Lol "wankers..."

Tiger Thompson is ready, so is Audley Harrison and Antonio Tarver. I don't see it, though. Would be a losing proposition. But it tells me people really don't worry about Tyson Fury.

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The Shadow:

"I have to agree with the author here as well, although there a couple things Maidana can do in the rematch to offset Mayweather. Step to the right to avoid the right counter and land his own overhand right. Come back to the left and constantly be changing angles. In addition, his head movement seemed nonexistent in the first fight, I might be wrong. And last but not least, Maidana could improve his stamina, and Robert Garcia should implore his fighter between rounds, as he did in the in the Broner fight."

Improve his stamina? Man, you're asking a lot, brother! Ain't no way in hell he can get any better stamina than he had the last time.

Marcos Maidana coulda rode with Marco Pantani that night. He coulda ran a marathon. He took so many vicious body blows from the first round on yet didn't really slow down until the 8th round.

He was in amazing shape.

Pretty sure he could've done this: (scroll to 0:39)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4eimoSheog

Unbelievable condition!! Lol

Good tips. Let's see if he can implement it. One thing he has going for him is that he has no regard, reverence or respect for Floyd Mayweather.

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deepwater2:

"According to England's leading sports publication, Tyson Fury will appear on Saturday's card against TBA. His management is frantically seeking a sacrificial lamb.



As for those that purchased advance tickets, can they get a full or partial refund? What's the rule here?"




Shannon Briggs? Wilder? Tarver? Sam Sexton?Kali Meehan? Sprott? Malik Scott?



David Haye and Chisora are wankers for these last minute so called injuries

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Carmine Cas:

I have to agree with the author here as well, although there a couple things Maidana can do in the rematch to offset Mayweather. Step to the right to avoid the right counter and land his own overhand right. Come back to the left and constantly be changing angles. In addition, his head movement seemed nonexistent in the first fight, I might be wrong. And last but not least, Maidana could improve his stamina, and Robert Garcia should implore his fighter between rounds, as he did in the in the Broner fight.

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ArneK.:

According to England's leading sports publication, Tyson Fury will appear on Saturday's card against TBA. His management is frantically seeking a sacrificial lamb.

As for those that purchased advance tickets, can they get a full or partial refund? What's the rule here?

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Radam G:

"Give us an X Ray Delboy. Either you broke it or Fury put the frighteners on you. Which one will it prove to be?"

Tyson "Fists of" Fury put some serious fright in Delboy. Hehehe! He can't handle the truth.

Tyson said that he was going to make Delboy his "bytch and a sleeping ugly." OMG! That scared da hebejeebeez outta Delboy. WTF is a "sleeping ugly?" Hehe! Holla!

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deepwater2:

Floyd by UD. The ref will give warnings and take points as soon as MM gets inside and gets a bit rough in there. MM will not be able to use the Everlast MX gloves this time either. I hope MM can make it a good fight but Floyd will have his game-plan and the Ref will be breaking them quick and often. It looks like Floyd and Manny might be taking easier bouts this time around; Are they saving themselves for the Spring? Could we see the fight the world wants to see?

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Radam G:

Wow! Duran was one super bad mofu. He is in the top p4p for every performing discipline of the game. Maybe he could have been a 100-0 if he could've controlled that drinking and eating. Holla!

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ArneK.:

I agree with FL for the simple reason that throughout history the greatest of the greats have been lethal in rematches.

Regarding Floyd's fights with Jose Luis Castillo, I won't argue that Floyd was better in the second meeting than in the first, but -- for whatever it's worth -- the scorecards tell a different story.

Using FL's logic, Vernon Forrest should have avenged his loss to Ricardo Mayorga. I scored the rematch for Forrest, but it was plain that Forrest just wasn't well-equipped to handle Mayorga's swarming style.

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Skibbz:

Give us an X Ray Delboy. Either you broke it or Fury put the frighteners on you. Which one will it prove to be?

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Skibbz:

The only way to kick PEDs out of the sport is for fighter's to be contained and train under complete scrutiny. Otherwise there will always be a way for PEDs to find their way into the fighter's system. Some form of PED or other has been in use since the beginning of the sport.

There are new methods coming into science which will be able to find even the smallest trace of any substance you want in the system, but unfortunately it's not commercially viable at this stage and not being used.

But remember, money talks and it doesn't sing or dance. If there are benefits, then risks will be minimised and fighter's will continue to use anything to get a leg up on their opponent. It isn't even always the fighter, sometimes their manager, promoter or a friend will give them something to aid their nutrition... to sort out their sores and help mend their muscles... The sport is cleaning up and becoming tighter but the gaping holes are still there and not patched up... And it's not going to change for a long time.

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oubobcat:

"On a gentleman bet, I bet that Bam Bam convincingly whup Chaves's arse. Bam Bam has always been a welterweight sweated down to lightweight. He's now where he should've been years ago. Holla!"

Gentleman bet it is...I will say this too. I have been looking forward to this fight since it was made. I don't see anyway that these two are not exchanging leather from round one. It will be a fun one to say the least.

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Skibbz:

I just spoke with Artie and he matched what Vadim said, he did say that he's not meeting answering machines when calling about Ruslan which is a good sign too. When I get more word I'll let you guys know.

Also all those names RG just mentioned reminded me that the Lightweight division is my favourite...

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redox:

"

A guy like him would/could benefit tremendously from recovery drugs, like cortisone, the stuff Conte was feeding Tim Montgomery (insulin) and that IGF-1 stuff.


"


Is cortisone banned? If it is, I find that ridiculous. You can inject cortisone all day, but it won't make you a better athelete. You'll just end up with track marks.

If cortisone is a PED then so are antibiotics, becuase they help an athelete to recover from the flu quicker.

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Radam G:

"I think it does in this case though. Rios fought most his career at 135 and even lower at times. He has just recently come up to 140 and now 147. Chaves is not a guy who started his career at say Jr. Welterweight and moved up. He has never fought below Welterweight and even ventured into Jr. Middleweight territory. And Chaves is a big puncher. I think this is going to be a good one but the power and strength of Chaves will break Rios down round by round. This is not going toe to toe with Mike Alvarado, Chaves is bigger and hits harder. In a thriller, I see Chaves winning by stoppage."

On a gentleman bet, I bet that Bam Bam convincingly whup Chaves's arse. Bam Bam has always been a welterweight sweated down to lightweight. He's now where he should've been years ago. Holla!

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Radam G:

"We've all seen the "unique" - let's call it that - picture of a naked Bernard Hopkins hitting the speedbag wearing only flip flops.

The report however is a fascinating read. It doesn't cover new ground per se but it does hammer home an important message oft forgotten.

Check it out:

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/page/bodyhopkinsqa/veteran-boxing-champion-bernard-hopkins-strips-espn-magazine-body-issue

PS - Hopkins' walk-around is detailed. Radam should like this."


Nice stuff! B-Hop got it right a few years ago. It took his trainer Genie Naazim a near-death stroke and a couple of years. But now he is off that processed-food jive. And staying healthy and alive.

You eat right, your stays tight. You'll look outta sight. And your medical bills and your arse will be light. Holla!

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deepwater2:

I used to chat with him years back. He actually used to box and knew what he was talking about. Did he write too many negative article on The Shadow Al Haymon? Maybe Sam Watson photo bombed him and he couldn't take it anymore. He is probably in a undisclosed location shook up from the photo bomb.

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