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stormcentre:

"The thing is this: Al Haymon's job description doesn't include the fans. His sole responsibility lies with the fighter. It is every manager's job to get his fighters the most money for the least risk.

That's what every manager does. Frank Espinoza, Cameron Dunkin (who absolutely REFUSES to match his guys), Gary Hyde, Shelly Finkel...

In fact, Finkel is the one who got Mike Tyson tons of money for fighting stiffs over and over and over after he came back from his suspension.

One guy who operates much like Haymon in the managerial capacity -- but probably even to a greater extent -- is Miguel Cotto's advisor Gaby Peñagaricano.

He is the type of dude that will do absolutely everything to make sure his client has everything he wants and doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the opposition.

(If Gaby had more fighters, oh gosh, fans would definitely not like him. But Cotto loves him.)

He's the reason Cotto almost fell out completely with Arum. Had it not been for Todd DuBoef that relationship would've been GONE, mainly due to Arum's vindictive nature. This guy holds grudges like no other. Just ask.

Anyway, it's the manager's job to ask for the most for his client. Just like an agent is supposed to get the most for his football player or basketball player.

No one expects LeBron James to go play with the Lakers for $5m per year just because fans would like to see them play together.

It's ridiculous, about 10 years or so ago the Cleveland Cavaliers owner Gordon Arum got mad because they let 2nd round draft pick power forward Carlos Boozer -- who had put up spectacular numbers -- out of his rookie contract ($700K/year) so they could lock him for six years.

So they offered him about $41m deal over six years, a very low offer considering his production, but much, much better than his terrible rookie contract. After hearing he was available, Utah Jazz stormed in with an offer of $68m, $27m more.

Cavs had the option to match but elected not to because they were cheap. Instead they slandered him (sounds familiar?) and said he didn't care about "the fans," how it was a slap in the face to "the fans."

What was he to do? Turn down the money?

No one blames Allan Houston for taking that ridiculous $100m deal with the Knicks. They blamed James Dolan who they then named the "Einstein of Incompetence."

Which is the more fair allocation of blame. The representative is going to ask for the moon and Uranus. It's up to the owner/employer to put his foot down.

At the end of the day, the onus lies on the promoter and the networks.

Fans may not like seeing Garcia-Salka but that is exactly the kind of fight that proves how much ahead of the competition Haymon really is as a manager.

(Regarding Garcia, I don't see the big problem; he's had one of the toughest stretches, including the tough, tough fight with Herrera. He got one tune-up. Froch just fought Yusaf Mack in between his list of killers, too.)"


Yep . . . good point and good post.

You've been putting it down real good lately.

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brownsugar:

Well since you put it that way......

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brownsugar:

"The thing is this: Al Haymon's job description doesn't include the fans. His sole responsibility lies with the fighter. It is every manager's job to get his fighters the most money for the least risk.

That's what every manager does. Frank Espinoza, Cameron Dunkin (who absolutely REFUSES to match his guys), Gary Hyde, Shelly Finkel...

In fact, Finkel is the one who got Mike Tyson tons of money for fighting stiffs over and over and over after he came back from his suspension.

One guy who operates much like Haymon in the managerial capacity -- but probably even to a greater extent -- is Miguel Cotto's advisor Gaby Peñagaricano.

He is the type of dude that will do absolutely everything to make sure his client has everything he wants and doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the opposition.

(If Gaby had more fighters, oh gosh, fans would definitely not like him. But Cotto loves him.)

He's the reason Cotto almost fell out completely with Arum. Had it not been for Todd DuBoef that relationship would've been GONE, mainly due to Arum's vindictive nature. This guy holds grudges like no other. Just ask.

Anyway, it's the manager's job to ask for the most for his client. Just like an agent is supposed to get the most for his football player or basketball player.

No one expects LeBron James to go play with the Lakers for $5m per year just because fans would like to see them play together.

It's ridiculous, about 10 years or so ago the Cleveland Cavaliers owner Gordon Arum got mad because they let 2nd round draft pick power forward Carlos Boozer -- who had put up spectacular numbers -- out of his rookie contract ($700K/year) so they could lock him for six years.

So they offered him about $41m deal over six years, a very low offer considering his production, but much, much better than his terrible rookie contract. After hearing he was available, Utah Jazz stormed in with an offer of $68m, $27m more.

Cavs had the option to match but elected not to because they were cheap. Instead they slandered him (sounds familiar?) and said he didn't care about "the fans," how it was a slap in the face to "the fans."

What was he to do? Turn down the money?

No one blames Allan Houston for taking that ridiculous $100m deal with the Knicks. They blamed James Dolan who they then named the "Einstein of Incompetence."

Which is the more fair allocation of blame. The representative is going to ask for the moon and Uranus. It's up to the owner/employer to put his foot down.

At the end of the day, the onus lies on the promoter and the networks.

Fans may not like seeing Garcia-Salka but that is exactly the kind of fight that proves how much ahead of the competition Haymon really is as a manager.

(Regarding Garcia, I don't see the big problem; he's had one of the toughest stretches, including the tough, tough fight with Herrera. He got one tune-up. Froch just fought Yusaf Mack in between his list of killers, too.)"


Valid point....not popular but valid.

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stormcentre:

Yes, agreed.

Geniuses aren't they?

They're certainly not going to win any scholarships soon.

And of course they can't (seriously) body build the connection their jaw has to its skull enough to change their reaction to a good two or three punch combination.

But then - in a true rock n roll touring sense where there was always someone that took the risk of flying with the drugs for the band; in return for the "benefits" of the free ride and constant parties - who else will (and is "clever" enough) to carry the juice from state/country to state/country and take the fall for it, on all these road and promotional trips (that are no doubt the last opportunity to go hard before the testing phase/cycle begins that allows everyone to say they do their bit for the sport)?

Whoops, sorry, made that sound like Floyd needs someone to carry his sack around.

Of course he doesn't.

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Radam G:

Money May is an arch master to the fullest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOayvqt1Atk. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Will do Roast!.... Tomorrow. I knew you had to see It.

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Radam G:

Money May is an archmaster of ear worming. Dude's psychology play will worm up through your ear to your membrane like a nagging song that is stuck there and will play and disturb and distract at a very need to concentrate.



Dude becomes an insane ear worm crawling all up in your head. Before the fight starts, you're already dead.



And unless you can rise from psyched-da-double-fudged-out death, he has already taken your breath.



When the bout starts, you are already metaphorically D-O-A -- death on arrival. And again, Money May scores a win. And The Money Train acts they are having a church revival. Holla!

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the Roast:

One of the most sensational fights of all time. Made Hearns-Benitez look like a walk in the park afterthought. Put it up on the Boxing Channel for the youngsters Bsug.

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the Roast:

*in Russian accent* Talk is cheap. Words are easy. My punch is hard. On November 8th you will see the fall of Bernard.

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the Roast:

I don't give a rat'sass who Quillin fights next or if he ever fights again for that matter. Never once have I turned on my TV and said, "Oh Boy Peter Quillin is coming up next!" Give the TV time to somebody new. Peter hasn't shown me much and he hasn't fought anyone of note at all. Forget this guy.

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Radam G:

How soon do we forget! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9FXa13Jn9k. Holla!

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The Shadow:

Here are a few other Bernard quotes:



"Anybody that punches Bernard Hopkins has to get something back. And when he gets hit back, he's going to re-adjust and say 'wait a minute I didn't like that.' Game changed. Fight changed. Strategy changed and the outcome is changed.



"I take their souls from them. I beat these guys down. I take something that they can never come back. You've heard from Tarver, but when was the last time Tarver looked good since he fought me. I take their souls. They are no longer the same. Jermain Taylor is a 60-year-old fighter now."



FYI, since he said this, he's taken the souls and/or derailed the careers of Kelly Pavlik, Jean Pascal, Chad Dawson and Enrique Ornelas.



"I systematically take your mind, take your soul, and then beat you."



This is a risky, risky fight and the intrigue grows every day. Can't wait to see what happens.

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The Shadow:

"This is Al Hayman in the flesh... The most recent pic I've seen to date..

You can't steer you fighters in the best interest of the public or the fighter suffers.

Steer the fighters to make the moves that are in their best interests and the fans suffer.

The trick is finding the best balance between the two."


The thing is this: Al Haymon's job description doesn't include the fans. His sole responsibility lies with the fighter. It is every manager's job to get his fighters the most money for the least risk.

That's what every manager does. Frank Espinoza, Cameron Dunkin (who absolutely REFUSES to match his guys), Gary Hyde, Shelly Finkel...

In fact, Finkel is the one who got Mike Tyson tons of money for fighting stiffs over and over and over after he came back from his suspension.

One guy who operates much like Haymon in the managerial capacity -- but probably even to a greater extent -- is Miguel Cotto's advisor Gaby Peñagaricano.

He is the type of dude that will do absolutely everything to make sure his client has everything he wants and doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the opposition.

(If Gaby had more fighters, oh gosh, fans would definitely not like him. But Cotto loves him.)

He's the reason Cotto almost fell out completely with Arum. Had it not been for Todd DuBoef that relationship would've been GONE, mainly due to Arum's vindictive nature. This guy holds grudges like no other. Just ask.

Anyway, it's the manager's job to ask for the most for his client. Just like an agent is supposed to get the most for his football player or basketball player.

No one expects LeBron James to go play with the Lakers for $5m per year just because fans would like to see them play together.

It's ridiculous, about 10 years or so ago the Cleveland Cavaliers owner Gordon Arum got mad because they let 2nd round draft pick power forward Carlos Boozer -- who had put up spectacular numbers -- out of his rookie contract ($700K/year) so they could lock him for six years.

So they offered him about $41m deal over six years, a very low offer considering his production, but much, much better than his terrible rookie contract. After hearing he was available, Utah Jazz stormed in with an offer of $68m, $27m more.

Cavs had the option to match but elected not to because they were cheap. Instead they slandered him (sounds familiar?) and said he didn't care about "the fans," how it was a slap in the face to "the fans."

What was he to do? Turn down the money?

No one blames Allan Houston for taking that ridiculous $100m deal with the Knicks. They blamed James Dolan who they then named the "Einstein of Incompetence."

Which is the more fair allocation of blame. The representative is going to ask for the moon and Uranus. It's up to the owner/employer to put his foot down.

At the end of the day, the onus lies on the promoter and the networks.

Fans may not like seeing Garcia-Salka but that is exactly the kind of fight that proves how much ahead of the competition Haymon really is as a manager.

(Regarding Garcia, I don't see the big problem; he's had one of the toughest stretches, including the tough, tough fight with Herrera. He got one tune-up. Froch just fought Yusaf Mack in between his list of killers, too.)

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Radam G:

WOW! Be aware of optical illusions.

The last time that I saw tsAH CLOSE UP all of his teeth were straight. We met grin to grin. I was sneaking outta the room of one of his Hip Hop lady clients. He was one mad he byyyytcccch. Y'all know me! I'm down with O-P-P!

Nice work, TSS! Holla!

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Radam G:

Clottey will get the shot at Canelo. No way in the hot of hell is Canelo coming an ice ¢ube close of "Boo Boo" Andrade. And Kirkland is too risky for the red-headed hype. Holla!

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The Shadow:

LOL yes, that's what he looks like. He's a tall, skinny, lanky fella who looks conspicuously ordinary.

Instead of wearing the dapper two-piece/three-piece suits, his suits look like the type that you get from Walmart, you know, the ones you go cop because you have a job interview at a temp agency.

He used to go around the media room completely unnoticed, probably mistaken for some obscure veteran reporter from Oregon who covers boxing once or twice a year.

That said, dude got a little bit of street swagga to him! Don't be fooled. And he fits right in with everyone. Whether it's the young street kid or the mightiest executive, he's been said to speak their language.

But yeah, that's him.

Here he is with Eddie Murphy and his dad:

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Here Alan is in one of his more dapper moments. I guess he thought to himself he couldn't look too fly or he wouldn't go under the radar:

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brownsugar:

Dimitri Andrade hands down

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brownsugar:

This is Al Hayman in the flesh... The most recent pic I've seen to date..

You can't steer you fighters in the best interest of the public or the fighter suffers.

Steer the fighters to make the moves that are in their best interests and the fans suffer.

The trick is finding the best balance between the two.

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amayseng:

Is that what Al Haymon looks like?


Yikes, no wonder he stays in the shadows

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amayseng:

That would be a fantastic fight.

Put GGG vs Cotto on that card

and Canelo vs Jaccobs....



Hey I can dream cant i?

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brownsugar:

"It will be Danny "Smooth" Garcia and his wacky pops Angel "Rough Edges" Garcia. Fasting-for-Ramadan Amir Khan is walking around at a buck seventy, so buzzes the pugvine of the United Kingdom. AK doesn't want any. He's all joke -- I mean smoke -- and no fire. Holla!"



Thanks for plugging us into the vine RG. Garcia possess the attributes to make it interesting.

Meaning he's not as skilled a boxer but he does possess a punchers chance.

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deepwater2:

Oscar is being polite while he gets his house in order. Hopkins telling tsAH not to help him is only something That The Alien can pull off. I think he has fun telling off the powers that be.

I wonder which vampire squids your talking about? So many squids to choose from these days.

I always thought that the pic used here of tsAH was a parody or something. That's really how the guy looks?

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Radam G:

It will be Danny "Smooth" Garcia and his wacky pops Angel "Rough Edges" Garcia. Fasting-for-Ramadan Amir Khan is walking around at a buck seventy, so buzzes the pugvine of the United Kingdom. AK doesn't want any. He's all joke -- I mean smoke -- and no fire. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Definitely a lot of valid viewpoints ....and many diverse opinions..... Several ways this scenario can play out.
Its just disappointing that such a legitimate confrontation has to take a backseat to the secretive business of boxing.

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brownsugar:

It would be a good place to start. But who is to say what direction Manny will head to next? A lower weight class? Algeiri (the rematch if PAC gets out hussled)



Unless Arum cosigns its just wishful thinking



But I think Khan would be a more popular choice.

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brownsugar:

It would be a good place to start. But who is to say what direction Manny will head to next? A lower weight class? Algeiri (the rematch if PAC gets out hussled)

Unless Arum cosigns its just wishful thinking

But I think Khan would be a more popular choice.

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The Commish:

"Fernandes, as usual you got your nose in the wrong area..East...Zsolt..You know after all invested you still smell the undarm! not the dance..the art the Corazone primo...Ya still a yokel homey thats all for yer constituence and usually have no sents of discerment!"

Said only as Bernie C. could say it.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Shadow, all I can say to your post (#6 on this thread) is "Wow!" I am breathless after reading that. Luckily, we have become friends who get to spend some time with each other. We've got to talk more about the system of education.

Over to Floyd, I'm sure he doesn't read as horrifically as the videos depict. If he does, so what. I have a doctor friend who reads the same way.

"I just can't read printed copy like you guys in radio and TV," he tells me. All he does is intricate plastic surgery. I can read copy. I can't do plastic surgery.

Floyd Mayweather is not a great copy reader. Guess what? I don't want him to be a great copy reader. I want the news and sports anchors I watch at night to be great copy readers. I want to see Floyd Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in hearing him read.

I want to hear my favorite actors deliver their lines flawlessly. I don't want to see them fight.

No, Floyd Mayweather didn't go to college. He received a minimum of education.

Yet, in the School of Hard Knocks, he is a Professor Emeritus, worth more than the national debt of many small countries.

Read? Floyd has back-to-school giveaways every year to hundreds of needy school kids. I don't see scores of other millionaire athletes, or educated businessmen, doing the same thing.

Like I said earlier: "I want to see Floyd Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in hearinghim read."

-Randy G.

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deepwater2:

Those two are the gentleman I referred to as being so juiced up, that Floyd will fail a drug test if he touches them.



Those two are going to over-react, make a big mistake and cost Floyd some lawsuit money. Fire them Floyd.

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Bernie Campbell:

Fernandes, as usual you got your nose in the wrong area..East...Zsolt..You know after all invested you still smell the undarm! not the dance..the art the Corazone primo...Ya still a yokel homey thats all for yer constituence and usually have no sents of discerment!

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