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Froggy:

Oh, the irony !

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amayseng:

Rios may be beat to a pulp and end up speaking and acting permanently like the way he was joking around making fun of Roach for having a disability. Karma is a B

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Froggy:

"The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.



He does not want to step up and take the challenge .



Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight."




Right on Amayseng ! Why would Showtime deny him a fight with Golovkin or Pacquaio ? Would they lose money giving boxing fans what they want for a change ? Me thinks not !

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amayseng:

The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.

He does not want to step up and take the challenge .

Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight.

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The Shadow:

"This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.


Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' ""


Deep, good point. But the reason he said health is because he was making the implication that his foe was juiced up. He just can't outright say it because that leads to litigation.

As for Frank, we need to stop discussing this Golovkin fantasy. He's two weight classes above and fighting in a different league (HBO). They both have long-term deals. There is NO way to get around that, feasibly. In theory yes but in reality no.

Tyson-Lewis was a one-off thing, in part because Showtime had advanced Tyson soooooo many millions that they needed to recoup so they said "to hell with it."

Mayweather-Golovkin doesn't do more than 1.2 million buys. The networks won't even consider it with Pacquiao (well, HBO might since they'd get cut in on a deal where there's no need for them), which could do up to 2 million buys or maybe more.

And lastly, Floyd doesn't fight who he wants. Showtime has right of refusal. He can't just rematch Augustus. Or dig up Sharmba Mitchell.

It has to be a viable name with some sort of built-in or built fanbase coming off a good performance.

The list is pretty short:

Cotto
Canelo
Danny Garcia

But he only needs two or three more.

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deepwater2:

This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.





Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' "

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Froggy:

Great article, I hope all Mayweather fans read it !

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riverside:

Hopefully it happens, doesn't look like Brandon Carried his punch from the lightweight division up to welterweight, and there is not way he can keep up with Ruslan in a telephone boot war. I would be surprise if Robert Garcia has Brandon Box a little bit and pick his shot, we would probably see that for the first two rounds. The outcome Brandon will be too brave, his corner will have to come in to rescue his well being.

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amayseng:

"QUOTE=amayseng;61767]Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long."


I'm telling you, it's like when James Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990. Douglas got himself in primo shape for that fight. I believe he was 231 1/2 the night he handed Tyson his first loss. Eight months later, Douglas was 246 in his first defense, which was against Evander Holyfield. On a heavyweight, what's 15 pounds, you ask? Against Holyfield, those 15 pounds looked like 15 tons! Holyfield blew him out of there.

Against Cris "The Nipple" Arreola, Stiverne weighed 239 1/2. Let's see what he weighs when he faces Wilder. From the looks of it, he's a long way from 239 1/2.

-Randy G."

First off Mike beat Douglass in a 13 second count that was not legit.

Secondly Douglass beat Mike because he had just lost his mother and buried her.
Losing a parent, especially one you are close to puts you in a mental state where you literally have no fear and nothing to lose. I can honestly see how Douglass was able to take it to Mike and beat him like he did.

Though yes, his follow up fight he proved he is not a true professional and came in overweight and got shellacked for it.

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Froggy:

If I remember correctly, Buster was paid more to fight Evander than any boxer was ever paid up to that point ! Either way, the way I remember when the referree was making the count it looked like Douglas was just lying there counting the millions in unison with the ref !

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Radam G:

"We have spoken about the traps and pitfalls at length, Deep. I know DW heard me and fully understands what is in front of him.



As far as Al Haymon making things disappear and change, he is not David Blaine, the incredible magician who once removed my watch from my wrist without me even knowing. Haymon is not a magician. He's just a very smart adviser who can do only so much for the people he represents. They must do the rest.



Deontay is already in training, though he isn't going into "Official Training" until he knows the date of his challenge to Bermane Stiverne. Will it be the last week of November? The first week of December? Right now, we don't know.



You might think the longer Stiverne has, the longer time he has to get in shape. Well, that's not necessarily true. When Roberto Duran found out about his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard, he had over two months to cut around 30 pounds. Instead, he took another month and partied even harder. By the time he got down to serious training, he had to lose close to 40 pounds in 40 days.



Insteadof heading into training now, Stiverne may use this time to keep his party going. He may put on even more weight. Then, about 5-6 weeks before the fight, he'll finally get down to serious training. However, instead of having to cut 10-15 pounds, that amount may be more like 40-50 pounds.



Deontay is treating it like Stiverne will be coming in at a trim and ripped 230 pounds. In reality, Stiverne will probably come in around 250.



What I wouldn't give to hear Don King on the phone with Stiverne, calling him every name in the book, with Stiverne promising "Don't worry, Mr. King, I'll be ready! I'll be ready!"



I have heard him on the phone with Greg Page. I have heard him on the phone with Tony Tubbs. He threw everything in his Verbiage Department at them. With Stiverne most likely being Don King's final champion, I'm sure the 'ol promoter has saved some fireworks just for Stiverne.



Stay tuned.



-Randy G."




Hehehe! My boy David Blaine -- DB -- got you. And YUP! Da Don K always seems to get da luv of biggum heavyweights who becomes monster biggums after will winning one of those alphabet-sanctioning title belts. The late "Front Page" GP and chubby-tubby TT could put on weight fast. Something like 30-35 in a week when not training.



By the way, have you seen TT lately? He is training some Russian heavy is what I heard. I also heard that TT is 400 pounds. Do you know if this is true? I've not seen TT in a decade. Holla!

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The Commish:

QUOTE=amayseng;61767]Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long."

I'm telling you, it's like when James Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990. Douglas got himself in primo shape for that fight. I believe he was 231 1/2 the night he handed Tyson his first loss. Eight months later, Douglas was 246 in his first defense, which was against Evander Holyfield. On a heavyweight, what's 15 pounds, you ask? Against Holyfield, those 15 pounds looked like 15 tons! Holyfield blew him out of there.

Against Cris "The Nipple" Arreola, Stiverne weighed 239 1/2. Let's see what he weighs when he faces Wilder. From the looks of it, he's a long way from 239 1/2.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long.

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amayseng:

Rigo is a phenom, but if he isn't challenged to where the best is brought out of him offensively, well then he will tank when it comes to making business cents. There is a reason TR let him go.

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The Commish:

"Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse."


We have spoken about the traps and pitfalls at length, Deep. I know DW heard me and fully understands what is in front of him.

As far as Al Haymon making things disappear and change, he is not David Blaine, the incredible magician who once removed my watch from my wrist without me even knowing. Haymon is not a magician. He's just a very smart adviser who can do only so much for the people he represents. They must do the rest.

Deontay is already in training, though he isn't going into "Official Training" until he knows the date of his challenge to Bermane Stiverne. Will it be the last week of November? The first week of December? Right now, we don't know.

You might think the longer Stiverne has, the longer time he has to get in shape. Well, that's not necessarily true. When Roberto Duran found out about his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard, he had over two months to cut around 30 pounds. Instead, he took another month and partied even harder. By the time he got down to serious training, he had to lose close to 40 pounds in 40 days.

Insteadof heading into training now, Stiverne may use this time to keep his party going. He may put on even more weight. Then, about 5-6 weeks before the fight, he'll finally get down to serious training. However, instead of having to cut 10-15 pounds, that amount may be more like 40-50 pounds.

Deontay is treating it like Stiverne will be coming in at a trim and ripped 230 pounds. In reality, Stiverne will probably come in around 250.

What I wouldn't give to hear Don King on the phone with Stiverne, calling him every name in the book, with Stiverne promising "Don't worry, Mr. King, I'll be ready! I'll be ready!"

I have heard him on the phone with Greg Page. I have heard him on the phone with Tony Tubbs. He threw everything in his Verbiage Department at them. With Stiverne most likely being Don King's final champion, I'm sure the 'ol promoter has saved some fireworks just for Stiverne.

Stay tuned.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse."


Those honey traps better be careful or know to kick. Because D-Wild is known be a mean d***. Especially against working girls. But then again, tsAH can make things disappear. Most indiscretions done by tsAH's fighters, judges never hear.

Talking about sweeping stuff under the rug, tsAH gets it done for any pug. Holla!

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Froggy:

I agree with what you said but don't think Donaire would have nearly the same chance at 122 as he might have at featherweight ! I would not mind seeing a rematch though, but I think they would both want to dictate the weight !

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MCM:

I don't disagree that Rigo looks unbeatable for now, and it makes perfect sense that Roc would identify him as the next best fighter in the game. I can't see him losing to anyone besides Donaire, and even then, I'd be surprised.



Surprised, but not shocked. Donaire's fight was strategically backward, and it made the disparity between the boxers appear wider than it really is; Donaire should have known this by R 3, and he must know it now. In a rematch, Donaire would come out bullying the smaller man, and make head-first sallies behind a chin which never quivered under Rigo's blows. Donaire proved he could send his man to the lona, Rigo didn't, and if Donaire can take the strings from Rigo and create some controlled chaos, I could see him standing over his man.



Rico's real good, but I need a Donaire rematch before anointing him unbeatable.

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oubobcat:

It really should come as no surprise that Roc Nation is after Rigo. They need fighters and Rigo is a free agent. Despite his style, he is also considered by many (myself included) as a top pound for pound fighter. So why not try to make a relatively big splash with your first signing.

And it was mentioned earlier in this thread about Roc Nation winning the Quillin-Korobov purse bid. This is absolutely a huge statement by Roc Nation announcing to the boxing world that they are going to be major players. Though they have neither fighter, they made a very large bid to stage the fight. This shows they are serious about this sport and much more serious than say some other newer promoters recently who have tried to break through in the sport. Roc Nation is putting its money where its mouth is and doing what they have to do to stage events in the infancy stages of their boxing promoting days.

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deepwater2:

Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse.

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Skibbz:

"Personally I'd love to see this fight. There is no way it can't be good. It would be a slugfest from the moment the opening bell sounds until the fight comes to a conclusion.

For Provodnikov, this fight makes a ton of sense. As we saw in the Algieri fight, Herrera fight and some in the Bradley fight, anyone who gives him movement can have success. Rios though prefers to slug and even if he tried to box is not nearly as athletic or capable to do so as the three above fighters.

For Rios, this fight makes little sense. Provodnikov is relentless and will be pouring on the pressure and punches from the opening bell. This is the kind of fight that could take a lot out of a fighter like Rios. Rios is better off targeting someone else at this point in his career. One fight for example that makes a lot more sense for him right now would be a rubber match against Mike Alvarado."


It would be a great fight for Provodnikov and I think it would be just as good for Rios. He can display his courage to his fans and everyone watching (almost everyone watching) will be on the edge of their seats because every punch could be the final blow.

I'd really like to a determined effort by Ruslan to go to the body... Rios is at home when his brainbox is steeped in treacle so to take him out I think you've got to sink him with torpedos to his body. Target the liver!

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brownsugar:

Ive only followed Stiverne for his last four fights.....

when I saw the two fights he had prior to the first Areola clash he looked like a walrus.... not physically but his body language was slow and lethargic. He seemed either unwilling or unable to turn up the intensity. In the end he won a very dull and uneventful fight against a journeyman.



Even though he won he left an impression of being just another lumbering mass of unmotivated flesh .......dubiously parading himself as another promising heavyweight.



Made me wonder why Don't King was making such a fuss over another unremarkable fighter.



When he fought Areola Stiverne was tremendously sharp and showed a wide range of skills that could only be described as " natural ".



This was in sharp contrast to his previous performance.



Stiverne may be the kind of fighter who only does enough to win.



But with the looming challenge of a pure puncher like Wilder you would think Stiverne wouldn't be susceptible to falling prey to the dreaded " Hatton " syndrome.



Hatton was a beast during his brief prime but lost the battle of self control and discipline to over-indulging in pints of Guiness and Fish & Chips.



Boxers who operate by the belief that they can undo the damage they've wrought on their physique by just working a little harder in camp are in full denial of greater underlying issues and are engaging in the success sapping practice of procrastination.



At 35 years of age Stiverne may find himself betrayed by the silent enemy known as father time.



Marvin Hagler always said the human body is only capable of performing well in a finite number of fights. And after you've exceeded the limit you can't go back.



Odlainier Solis and Mike Perez are two prime examples. Once they added the extra weight they could never get back in prime condition. In fact they just keep getting bigger in every outing. Trapped in thier own self fulfilling prophecy of indulgence.



Its only human nature but fighters are supposed to have the discipline to reject the urges that rule the regular guys.



We'll see how he looks as the fight draws nearer...hopefully Stiverne can overcome and return to form.



Thanks for the pre-pre training report.

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stormcentre:

Almost all, good comments in this thread.

Rigo is a smooth operator for sure, and only from a good defence can you have the best offence and choose where/when/how to take your mark down.

That's one reason why Rigo is a very cool boxer-technician.

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stormcentre:

Ditto - all the above.

There is no way it can't be good, and I personally have looked forward to it almost as much as a 3G V Froch, Kessler, Bika or Ward fight.

It will be a blood bath with mucho punches thrown in absolute spite.

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stormcentre:

"I don't think Trout will have much issue here with Dawson. Dawson is one of those guys who can beat the club level opponents but has struggled to compete generally when he has stepped up in competition.

I remember well Dawson's fight against Serhiy Dzinziruk some years ago. Dzinziruk completely out classed Dawson from the opening bell and made Dawson look like a very pedestrian fighter. Since then, Dawson has not beaten anyone of note and even had a loss and draw against fighters not nearly in the class of Trout. I think Trout takes care of business here relatively easy and puts his name back out there at Junior Middleweight."


That's a reasonable assessment of Dawson.

He is from Perth West Australia, pretty tough and durable, and he also has a kickboxing background.

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The Shadow:

"From the get-go,I had hoped 50 Cent would dive into boxing and make some noise. However, he didn't dive in--he eased his way in, one foot at a time.

Sure, he co-promoted events with the brilliant and successful Lou DiBella, but he never went after fighters to sign them the way others (Al Haymon, in particular) have.

Jay-Z, on the other hand, dove into the deep of the boxing pool right away. He hired two big guys to run Roc Nation and I have to believe his company is going to be heard from in a very positive and competitive light.

I am curious to see how Golden Boy, Top Rank, Mayweather Promotions and others handle the fast-charging Roc Nation promotions.

-Randy G."


I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather Promotions work directly with RN. Or maybe even become a farm system of sorts to RN's major league.

It's hard to say. I think Binkow and Dave (and Richie Rich) are in cahoots.

Could Roc Nation have been the mysterious group that put the offer in to buy Golden Boy Promotions?

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The Shadow:

"Funny, but when I mentioned Rigo as a Top-10 pound-for-pound fighter after his dominant victory over Nonito Donaire, my radio listeners--as well as my sidekick, Gerry Cooney--told me I was nuts. They said Rigo was as boring as boring could be. I didn't agree. I still don't.

He can slug, and do so bigtime. But when you can box the way he does, why slug???

$$$May boxes...plays defense...does the "Shoulder Roll"...covers up. Is he called boring? He is boxing's biggest attraction. What makes him so much more exciting than an artist like Rigo?

I think Roc Nation's going after Rigo was a brilliant move. They will make Top Rank grumble and talk to themselves, wondering why they didn't treat this incredible super-talent with any respect.

You haven't even seen the best of Willie Rigo.

Over the course of the next 12-18 months, you will.

-Randy G."


I absolutely agree.

It's just a bias to say he's boring. He doesn't run like Lara. He stands in front of you, boxes and moves. Just like Floyd. He's a counter puncher. Just like Floyd.

Rigo even fights behind the shoulder. Just like Floyd. So while he may not be Arturo Gatti, there is a definite contradiction there.

Randy, I had him a Top 10 P4P even before the Donaire (though lower Top 10 because I still had questions about whether theory and practice would align).

My eyes ain't lying. Those who disagreed with you, Commish, in the words of Mike Tyson, are just showing themselves to be "neophytes."

And I think the consensus is that now, with most reputable and knowledgeable analysts rating him anywhere from Top 5 to Top 2.

I consider Floyd Mayweather -- skill-for-skill, pound-for-pound -- one of the most gifted (not saying he's the greatest; different argument, different discussion), if not the most gifted, fighter of all time. That's how high I rate his skill set.

If you break down Mayweather's dimensions, he might be the most complete fighter ever. I don't think anyone in boxing history can outbox/out-think Mayweather.

Though I would favor Floyd due to physicality and greater knowledge of the pro game (ie. stealth filth) and superior inside fighting ability, I still think Rigo is competitive with him in a 12-round bout at welterweight.

In a six round fight with 10 oz gloves, Rigo edges him. In sparring with 16 oz gloves, he will embarrass him.

It's really a shame because back in the early 2000s, had Rigo been allowed to go pro as an Olympic gold medalist, we might have gotten to see that fight between two of the most naturally gifted fighters ever.

It's funny, in Cuba they consider him the best fighter that ever lived. Two-time Olympian champions bow before him.

I'm not even kidding.

That's all the endorsement I need.

This dude is the real deal. If Roc Nation gets him they may turn him into a star.

But let's not forget, Gamboa was one of the hottest guys out there when 50 got him. He was going to energize the urban audience supposedly and bring the BET demographics to boxing.

That didn't happen.

That said, Dave I. knows what the F he's doing. Though he's a capable business man and leader, 50 Cent was/is too hands on.

You need boxing guys running the show. And then again, what many don't know is that Rigo is a rapper.

This may be a ploy for Roc Nation to tap into the lucrative reggaeton market!

Primo Carnera for president.

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The Commish:

Funny, but when I mentioned Rigo as a Top-10 pound-for-pound fighter after his dominant victory over Nonito Donaire, my radio listeners--as well as my sidekick, Gerry Cooney--told me I was nuts. They said Rigo was as boring as boring could be. I didn't agree. I still don't.

He can slug, and do so bigtime. But when you can box the way he does, why slug???

$$$May boxes...plays defense...does the "Shoulder Roll"...covers up. Is he called boring? He is boxing's biggest attraction. What makes him so much more exciting than an artist like Rigo?

I think Roc Nation's going after Rigo was a brilliant move. They will make Top Rank grumble and talk to themselves, wondering why they didn't treat this incredible super-talent with any respect.

You haven't even seen the best of Willie Rigo.

Over the course of the next 12-18 months, you will.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I thought Porter was going to blow through Brook in the later rounds, but I was wrong. After watching some footage of the fight it was clear that Porter's bull like style was ineffective and he was doing himself a disfavor with his sloppy offense. Brook kept it simple with basic combinations and tied up the wild Porter. Time to see him against the other top welters!"


Hey, CC...Are you still in the NY area?

I thought Porter would win. My head said so, and so did my heart.

But as the fight wore on, I glanced at my scorecard and saw that I had Brook by a slight margin. I likened the fight to a welterweight version of Ali-Frazier II, where Smokin' Joe came bulling in, would get tagged with a one-two, then wrapped up by Ali. Then they'd start over again.

Porter had no clue what to do with the one-two-clinch, one-two-clinch. This wasn't Paulie Malignaggi in there, a gifted boxer minus the raw strength and power. Brook showed us much more than most of us ever thought he possessed.

Porter will be back, but I am wondering if he will be able to tell his dad "Pops, I love you, but I need to bring on another trainer."

If he can do that, and brings on the right person, he may be able to come ALL the way back. If he can't, his first trip to the mountain peak may have been his last.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"I agree with you, Shadow, but I really would like to see two of history's greatest amateurs--Rigo & V-Lo--go head-to-head as professional world champions. A more intriguing matchup I cannot think of.



-Randy G."




I agree. On paper anyway.



But not in reality.



Like I've said in these here parts before, they will not let that guy within 10 miles of the Cuban for one single, simple reason:



If they ever square off Lomachenko will retire and become a Zumba trainer in Kiev.



He may not take a brutal beatdown, but the psychological damage will be catastrophical as well as permanent.



His team as well as his promoter know that.



But the thought is still extremely intriguing!



The two best amateurs of all time squaring off for the pro belts.



Unfortunately that's the only place it will take place -- in our minds.

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The proverbial ball is in Bam Bam's court. Team Provodnikov, led by manager Vadim Kornilov, tells TSS they are aiming to have The Siberian Rocky back in the ring in November, and would be overjoyed to have Brandon Rios standing across from Ruslan on that date, and on HBO. "We're working on it," Kornilov told me. "As soon as Rios gets over his fears of Ruslan, we will make the fight. His promoter and manager already said in the press they want to do the fight. A November date is being is being discussed, no site has been planned yet, but we...

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