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thegreyman:

"Is there a possibility of long-term internal damage caused by taking too many body shots? Just wondering..."

I'm sure there is, though it depends how and where you take the punishment.

Besides broken/ fractured ribs, your organs will inevitably take issue with being battered possibly hundreds of times in the course of a fight.

A single shot placed precisely and powerfully, can rupture certain organs- causing a pretty speedy death. Besides a full on rupture, I'm sure people have had problems from an accumulation of punishment to the body, whether over the course of a fight or a career.

The human body is remarkably resilient though, and does an excellent job of repairing damaged tissue, and your body has evolved to protect what's inside it- whether the brain or the other internal organs. Nobody's invulnerable though.

I'm sure there's guys on here who know there boxing history well enough to point to plenty of fighters who have suffered death/ permanent injury through body shots taken in boxing.

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oubobcat:

"I don't think Kovalev would succumb to the mind games of Hopkins, and Kovalev can really hit an opponent. I think it would be an interesting fight, Bernard will use his experience and a few tricks Kovalev may not have seen before, as Radam said stabbing him all night with his right hand. It's very dependent on who's will can be forced onto the other in this fight I think, and how determined Kovalev will be to fight through a very awkward and intelligent Bernard Hopkins."

I agree Skibbz. Another thing not talked enough about Kovalev is that he has really good boxing skills. He knows how to set up his punches inside the ring. He works behind a very effective jab and uses good footwork to cut off the ring on his opponents as well as set up angles to land his bombs. Kovalev is a much more seasoned fighter than say Stevenson. Hopkins knows this and will stay far away from Kovalev. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the fight as well. I just don't think it will ever happen.

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oubobcat:

"Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!

Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?""


He does have a job but I would not call him a part time fighter at all. He is very dedicated to the sport and has made great strides since entering this profession. You don't make the strides he has made without being 100% committed to the sport.

Jennings had a bad night, make no mistake about it. He still got the win though. He is athletic and does have talent. In this fight against Perez, he seemed to be doing more thinking than fighting. In the past, he seemed more fluid but here he seemed more mechanical. I am not sure if it was the big spotlight, Perez's style or something else.

I think Jennings could become a very good heavyweight. Remember, he has only been boxing for five years. I am not talking about professional experience either but total experience. There is still plenty of room to grow and improve.

Jennings is sitting at a shot at the winner of Wilder-Stiverne. If I managed Jennings, I do not sit out now and wait for that fight. It could be up to a year before that happens if not longer. He must stay active. I go back to the fighting for five years. He is not going to improve and get better by sitting out and waiting now to fight for the WBC belt.

His people also better not sit and wait for an HBO date. Jennings needs to just get back in the ring HBO or no HBO, tv or no tv. I understand its a risk but I think it could be career damaging to send him in a fight with Wilder or Stiverne after a year or so layoff with no opportunity to improve his skills inside the boxing ring in real fights.

I like Jennings potential. Whether or not he can live up to it, only time will tell.

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stormcentre:

"Very smart again Storm, they transfer energy and power very well both Kostya and Gennady. I have noticed it myself too although I must admit not with Golovkin. I will have a look at the Geale fight again and I will try to catch it.

Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!

A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.

@Flacko I'm not sure if he could make 150 for Floyd but that would be so interesting to see. It would be a great test. Gennady has speed and maneuvers around the ring well but Floyd won't be hiding from him all night. He will be there goading him to take his best shot. For once, although we haven't seen it yet, Gennady may become frustrated at not being able to land how and when he likes against a somewhat stationary target. As we've seen him many big punchers in the past such as Duran, once they can't hit you they get frustrated and that's when their most vulnerable. That said, it's hard to see GGG getting frustrated, he looks like ice in the ring.

Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!

Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart."


"Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!"


Yes, you could be right.

Ward, as far as his power and game was concerned, did alright against Dawson, Bika, Kessler and Froch; so one would think it should hold him in good stead.

I get where you're coming from. Unless someone has the power to earn 3G's respect, he's just going to keep coming forward and looking to land - heavy.

That said, the fight game is tough enough as it is, without having to constantly focus on defence as if your consciousness depends on it every second.

Still, Leonard did it to Hagler, so I am sure there is someone in the mentioned group that - when they land on 3G - he will feel it, reset, and possibly re-think.

Clearly, Geale wasn't that guy, and I was concerned looking at him at the weigh in and as the commencement ceremony in the ring took place.

He's a relatively small-framed light middleweight, and add to it all he didn't look that confident - almost as if he was bothered about all Gary Shaw had said (and ate) before the fight.

For these reasons I think 3G will not find a reasonable challenge in the light middleweight division.


A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Bika is an interesting kettle of fish. In some ways he's like 3G, as he's unconventional and doesn't bother too much with the flamboyant aspects of the game, loves to punch, does it well, and usually gains the respect of those he lands on. He, too, is relatively avoided, and he has a good set of whiskas.

Bika and 3G would be a good fight, as Bike would be someone that would hit Gennady back and hurt him; regardless of how long it lasted.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.


Kessler is interesting too. I am not sure where he (really) is at on the world scene at the moment. His last fight with Ward has a psychological impact on him.

Froch is a good candidate for a fight with 3G I think.

You're right, he is sloppy, and that would give 3G a lot of options and Gennady's deceptively quick hands and feet combined with his power might just start what Groves did and also finish it off - in fact it's almost certain.

Froch's confidence and ego may just (hopefully) not allow him to turn the offer down.


"Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Yes he may just be. I think Canelo would be destroyed. He has sparred a few rounds with 3G and he wasn't able to enforce his will in a manner that allowed him to leave feeling he controlled the exercise. In fact, aside from what was written about it, what I heard was that Canelo started to get a bit smart (thinking he had the measure of 3G) and then Gennady started to unload and kick it up a gear and Canelo started to feel sore ribs and cheekbones.

Canelo, has almost no defence against guys that are savvy, not dominated and fresh (when he is dominating and/or in control he will often dodge, duck, weave and showboat), and that combined with the fact that Canelo knows Golovkin has previously not found him overly daunting (when, even whilst Canelo was preparing for a fight, 3G decided to give him some work {or a work-over}), and how Canelo knows only too well that Golovkin has improved since then; would probably mean Canelo would be thinking about Lara experience and then imagining what it would be like if the guy actually stayed in front of him but hit him as hard as Golovkin previously did and can.

Canelo wouldn't like that thought - even if the experience wasn't recorded and broadcast on HBO for all to see.

"Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!"

Chavez, . . . there's a reason he hasn't made the fight. He knows. He's too slow and not active enough in the gym to even think about thinking about fighting 3G. Chavez, with his punch resistance, would probably catch himself a case of pugilistic dementia in that outing as, since he may not go down even when being hit, 3G could use him as a punching bag; which is what would happen.

"Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart."


Yes, there was not motivating my suggestion for Kirkland other than entertainment. It would still be a good spectacle though, as anyone as strong and as determined he James is that comes at you like he does - even if they're not a lefty - from the moment the bell rings; makes you either sink or swim. And, even if 3G wins this one, he would probably still be placed out of his comfort zone, as Kirkland - whilst he is fresh - is the type of guy even Golovkin doesn't want to take to many punches from.

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brownsugar:

"Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!



Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?""




He work the federal reserve Skibbz.......which is a good job that a lot of blue and white collar wage earners would like to have.



Its smart that he hasn't let the job go.

He should at least keep till after his heavyweight title shot.

He may need it .

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Radam G:

"Bhop smokes Stevenson, Kovalev I am not so sure of."

The "Alien" will use Kovalev's aggression as an ally to frustrate Kovalev, make him miss and make pay. And then tie him up. And make stay. Bust him upside da head and then to ball and guts and make go astray. And at the end of the night, he picks Kovalev like apart like a bale of hay.

Kovalev is so ok$ure that he can beat the Alien that Kovalev will not be okay. He will be a neurosis wild man at play. And up and down on him, an Alien arse thrashing will be easy to lay. Holla!

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gibola:

Once a guy drags himself to the top of the division, we seem to be quick to say he wouldn't have survived in a different era or that the current crop suffer too great a disparity in skill to be a problem for him.



It's not Gennady's fault. This is his time, he has boxed his life up to this point and he is continuing on his path of destruction and domination. There are guys coming up who have some skill, but they haven't even fought for national titles let alone world titles. Anyone around the world stage of competition wants more money than they're worth to fight him and or are following a different path.



Forgive me if I came across in that negative way because I don't like the harping back either at the expense of current fighters. I think GGG's the best at 160lb and I love to watch him fight, he'll be exciting in the years to come. I was just tempering the ATG stuff I was reading with a bit of perspective about where he stands in relatively recent history and who might beat him.

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amayseng:

Bhop smokes Stevenson, Kovalev I am not so sure of.

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Skibbz:

I don't think Kovalev would succumb to the mind games of Hopkins, and Kovalev can really hit an opponent. I think it would be an interesting fight, Bernard will use his experience and a few tricks Kovalev may not have seen before, as Radam said stabbing him all night with his right hand. It's very dependent on who's will can be forced onto the other in this fight I think, and how determined Kovalev will be to fight through a very awkward and intelligent Bernard Hopkins.

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flackoguapo:

That would be awesome! A true champ. And Skibbz, in your opinion, Will he venture to 68 for the big fights and always come back to 60 or will he make the move on up and keep pushin'?

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Skibbz:

As you've mentioned Storm, GGG has great technique and experience. Add behind the technique bone crushing power with no underestimation and the ability to take a good punch too and you have yourself a bit of a machine. This guy is a solid professional to boot. Kirkland's won't be beating him, no chance.

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Skibbz:

"I think it is clear 3G is stronger than most light middleweights and destined to move up in recognition again.

Add to that he has a brilliant (Eastern Bloc trained) amateur career, and the (legal/acceptable) advantage of a high altitude training and great metabolism that allows him to compete at lower (than what might me considered normal) weight divisions.

And to top it all off he has a punching technique - that I have illuminated before in this forum (again; Eastern Bloc trained - check some of Tszyu's right hooks and you will see the same supinated forearm) - that ensures the torque on punches doesn't unintentionally tail off prior to and after impact.

That said, how long would 3G take to demolish a prime;

1) Andre Ward (not just in his first fight after this layoff)?

2) Saiko Bika (The one that gave Calzaghe troubles and a 12 round fight).

3) Mikkel Kessler.

3) Carl Forch

I note 3G is now, in search of elite-ness, looking to unify the division. That should put an end to others avoiding him."


Very smart again Storm, they transfer energy and power very well both Kostya and Gennady. I have noticed it myself too although I must admit not with Golovkin. I will have a look at the Geale fight again and I will try to catch it.

Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!

A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.

@Flacko I'm not sure if he could make 150 for Floyd but that would be so interesting to see. It would be a great test. Gennady has speed and maneuvers around the ring well but Floyd won't be hiding from him all night. He will be there goading him to take his best shot. For once, although we haven't seen it yet, Gennady may become frustrated at not being able to land how and when he likes against a somewhat stationary target. As we've seen him many big punchers in the past such as Duran, once they can't hit you they get frustrated and that's when their most vulnerable. That said, it's hard to see GGG getting frustrated, he looks like ice in the ring.

Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!

Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart.

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Skibbz:

Once a guy drags himself to the top of the division, we seem to be quick to say he wouldn't have survived in a different era or that the current crop suffer too great a disparity in skill to be a problem for him.

It's not Gennady's fault. This is his time, he has boxed his life up to this point and he is continuing on his path of destruction and domination. There are guys coming up who have some skill, but they haven't even fought for national titles let alone world titles. Anyone around the world stage of competition wants more money than they're worth to fight him and or are following a different path.

That's why it's imperative for Gennady's career to unify the division (get rid of all those different path's to a championship) and become King of the Hill. That way people will have no choice but to knock on his door, and then we will truly see the calibre of GGG.

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Skibbz:

Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!

Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?"

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The Shadow:

He beat Buddy Wolfe doe http://youtu.be/lkoUgdl9sSA

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brownsugar:

"I think Jennings is going to win this fight.



He is skilled, athletiamateurtting better each time out. His has very quick hands for a heavyweight and his technique keeps getting better. As previously pointed out, he beat a good southpaw his last time out so I don't see Perez's southpaw stance being an issue. Keep in mind as well that Perez's last two fights were brutal and he took a lot of punches. Even if his mind is right from the Mago fight something had to be taken out of Perez given how brutal both his last two fights were.



I believe that at this moment Jennings is the best American heavyweight on the scene. He is further along and more experienced against better opposition than any US heavyweight. The improvement he has showed each time out recently has been impressive. His last fight for example against his toughest for to date was Jennings' most impressive performance inside the ring. He still is learning and still has upside."




Nice call Oubobcat... Personally I was paralyzed with indecision. But it was interesting watching the drama unfold...although a bit dull due to the lack of consistent, effective offense from either fighter.



Jennings is the Chris Algieri of American heavies, he's better than those late starting, amateurless converted football players... But substitutes true boxing ability with a high degree of athleticism to supliment his lack of experience.



These "self-made" boxers only limitations may just be their own level of comittment and determination. But I think Jennings reaches the end of the line when he faces the winner of Wilder vs Stiverne. Although either scenario is better than facing Klitschko.



I think Wilder knocks him cold and Stiverne is too sharp to lose more than a couple of rounds.

Although neither of those fights should be as ugly as his brawl with the fat Cuban.

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Bernie Campbell:

party...where all the beautiful boxing celebrities go...wheres samil samil sam... was he invited......hows inviting ex-showtime announcer karen bryat....ill be there then!

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stormcentre:

"One thing is for sure, a lot of big name guys will avoid GGG for one reason or another but if HBO put up decent money, Froch will take the fight in a heartbeat. As I posted earlier, I think it's a bad move for GGG, but if he wants to break into the big time, Froch is the easiest fight to make because he'll fight anybody and he'll travel across the Atlantic if he has to.
As for this stuff about GGG as an ATG, it's way, way premature. He has potential, but I would query how many wins he'd get out of Toney, McCallum, Nunn or Hopkins peak on peak, never mind the upper echelon of 160lb ATGs."


All very good points IMO.

Toney, Nunn, McCallum, Hopkins, and even (Nigel) Ben; would show how and where our middleweight division is today.

Froch, in England or the USA, with the right money offered, would be a good interesting fight too.

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gibola:

One thing is for sure, a lot of big name guys will avoid GGG for one reason or another but if HBO put up decent money, Froch will take the fight in a heartbeat. As I posted earlier, I think it's a bad move for GGG, but if he wants to break into the big time, Froch is the easiest fight to make because he'll fight anybody and he'll travel across the Atlantic if he has to.

As for this stuff about GGG as an ATG, it's way, way premature. He has potential, but I would query how many wins he'd get out of Toney, McCallum, Nunn or Hopkins peak on peak, never mind the upper echelon of 160lb ATGs.

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stormcentre:

Looks like Perez was not on his "A" game and has been enjoying that Irish pub and craic lifestyle.



I would love to see him seriously get in shape for these fights.

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stormcentre:

Put it in the contract that James can take what he wants beforehand for any reason and cause, and get someone (not me) to seriously insult him on the way up to the ring apron.

That would be a nuclear war whilst it lasted.

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stormcentre:

"how many rounds for Mayweather at 150, Canelo 156ish, JCCjr at 168 and Kirkland at 154."


Oh you stole my thunder . . . I was about to fire in Kirkland.

That would be a good fight no matter what happened and James would both jump at and love the chance.

Lovely!!

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flackoguapo:

"Just putting it out there, no one beats Golovkin from 160-168. Give me a name, and I'll tell you how many rounds it would take."

how many rounds for Mayweather at 150, Canelo 156ish, JCCjr at 168 and Kirkland at 154.

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Radam G:

"
If boxing was high-profile, scholarship sport on the level with wrestling, I'm quite sure we'd see more college graduates duke it out in the squared circle as well."


That already existed. From the 1930$ to 1990$ almost as many boxers received scholarships for boxers as they did for football. Several colleges still give boxing scholarships. Referee Mills Lane was a collegiate national boxing champion.

I watch the collegiate national boxing championship every year on the collegiate sport channel.

BTW, Da Manny doesn't have trouble with movers. He had/has trouble with counter-punching Marquez/Hulkquez.

He beat Bradley 21 out 24 rounds. I wouldn't called that trouble. He lost to Corrales once and kayoed him twice.

I don't know what running-away bytch gave Da Manny trouble. He is going potshot C-Al, beat him like a drum and KHTFO early to mid-late rounds. Holla!

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The Shadow:

I don't get why Algieri is such a big dog. That looks like an intriguing bet to me.

Several things speak for him:

For one, dude beat the guy -- Taylor -- who just beat Karim Mayfield. Then he outboxed Provodnikov, showing that he's at the very least on the world level.

He also has the style that troubles Pacquiao. He's HIGHLY active for a slick boxer with a big-time work rate.

Pacquiao's strength is not as a counter puncher but overwhelming a stationary target. While he did beat him handily, he also struggled to land cleanly on Tom Bradley.

Lastly, Pacquiao has admitted to underperforming when taking guys likely. I personally think this is BS and post-fight rationalization but, hey, there may be some truth to it.

Right now, the early odds have Pacquiao as a -1400 favorite while Algieri is a +800 DAWG. In other words, if you drop a Curtis ($50), you get $400 in hard, Cobra cash (as Carl Froch likes to call moolah).

That is a tremendous bet. He was a +450 underdog vs. Provodnikov and we saw what happened there...

Now do I think Algieri wins? Not quite. But I don't see it as a mismatch, either.

All in all, if the odds are overwhelmingly in Pacquiao's favor come fight night, I would definitely take that bet and possibly make some extra hard, Chris A. cash.

As far as the education aspect is concerned, I absolutely love that about him. And yes, it's big misconception that fighters are dumb, uncouth savages just plucked off the street in the middle of a drug deal that changed their lives.

If you look at the UFC/MMA, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of them, from America, anyway, are college graduates.

I've heard of many fighters who never went to college because they devoted their time to boxing, turned pro, what have you.

If boxing was high-profile, scholarship sport on the level with wrestling, I'm quite sure we'd see more college graduates duke it out in the squared circle as well.

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The Shadow:

"And Golovkin beat Dirrell handily in 2004 at Athens. Golovkin was, even with half the skills he has now, banging away at the body, commanding the ring and the flow of the fight, taking away Dirrell's jab and completely controlling range. I can't see how you could think, after seeing that fight, that Dirrell could seriously bother GGG.

As we've said countless times here, the amateurs are NOT the same as the pros. Amateurs award for quantity, not quality- amateur bouts are a sporting contest, pro's are a fight to the end.

Golovkin's punching was of much greater quality in that fight- his combinations, the power behind his punches, and his body work, which was partly ignored by the judges, would have been devastating had the gloves not been such huge mittens.

And Golovkin has improved drastically in the last 10 years, while Dirrell has not. His mastery of cutting off the ring, of switching between body and head with masterfully placed combinations. Not to mention his power.

I suggest you re-watch the fight because think you're deceiving yourself when it comes to GGG vs Dirrell."


OK, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comment and I can appreciate your passion -- You and yours are great for boxing.

However there's a palpable absence of logic -- if not outright inaccuracy -- sprinkled with a hint of ignorance in your statement.

Handily? Like GGG says, "Are you serious?" I suggest you watch it again, buddy. It was a close, evenly-contested, competitive fight, which was reflected in the scores and the commentary. (I think it was like 17-15 or something with under two minutes left in the fight.)

But OK, scoring is subjective so I won't #ether you with that statement.

Secondly, here is how I think he could pose a problem: he's beaten him before.

Here's what I take issue with in your statement:

GGG had only half the skills then? You mean to tell me he's twice as good now? The notion is simplistic at best and outrageous at worst.

I'd venture to guess -- Stormmcentre, feel free to share your knowledge of the E-bloc school here -- that he had at least 80-85% of the fundamental foundation in the Olympics that you're seeing on I display now.

And that Dirrell hasn't improved since 2004? Really? What do you base those bombastic statements on? (He may not have improved much in recent years; he hasn't competed so we don't know.)

Assuming you're not trolling and/or tripping off some good Afghan kush, I'd genuinely like to hear what you base that on.

Because while he was an exceptional talent in the amateurs, he's improved and adapted to the pros by the virtue of going 12 rounds.

More importantly, Dirrell has quote possibly the most varied offense in boxing along with Top 5 hand speed pound-for-pound.

In fact, I believe if he had Andre Ward's overall toughness, he'd be Top 3 pound-for-pound. Sadly for him, he's a bit of a mental midget; he whines, complains, cries and so forth.

But physically? He's an awesome offensive machine who switches seamlessly back and effort between southpaw and conventional -- and he has a bag full of offensive tricks that dwarfs that of boxing's number one guy in Floyd Mayweather.

(Now you can agree or disagree with that statement; doesn't matter. This is a fact.)

In fact, it was with this skill set and ability to adapt to the pro game (ie. improvement from amateur days) that he traveled to the UK as an 18-0 world level novice to take on -- and arguably beat -- one of boxing's top guys in Carl Froch.

To illustrate the gigantic leap in competition this presented, up until then Dirrell was doing battle with guys like Carlos Cockerham and Kenny Kost (!).

Now, if you disagree when I say Dirrell is a threat, that's fine.

But it's the reasoning behind that makes me go, "wait a minute." You haven't even seen him face that style at that level in the pros.

That said, I'd really like to see a sensible explanation where you demonstrate that GGG has improved 100% with Dirrell showing none.

Maybe you should study his fights with Abraham and Froch. Or maybe you're just saying that because he's been inactive due to injury and promotional issues?

Either way, the burden of proof is on you, my friend. I think you might have a daunting task in front of you.

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Radam G:

Wow! There are a lot of college graduates missing here. I'm shocked that they are not known. Just about everybody on the U.S. O-Games boxing team starting 2000 were in college or college graduates. ESPN, HBO and Showtime have conducted some of the most college educated boxing card known.

BTW, C-Al is not fighting a dummy or somebody who is not also a college graduate with a master degree. Holla!

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Domenic:

I believe Darrin Van Horn, who was bombed out by Iran Barkley in the early 90's, was a college graduate. Pretty sure he held an alphabet strap once upon a time.

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ArneK.:

Great stuff, Radam. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a "youtube" must be worth a lot more.

Watching this reminded me that the GOAT was inspired to adopt a more flamboyant persona after watching the audience go bonkers over the antics of wrestler Gorgeous George. This happened on his first trip to Las Vegas in 1961 where he would be appearing in his 7th pro bout. He attended the wrestling show as a favor to the local promoters and he reportedly had a grand time. Ali was a natural showman, but the Gorgeous one taught him a few new shticks.

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brownsugar:

"True! He's been fighting longer than B-hop and has more tricks up his sleeve due to the experience.

GGG did show up with a different notch and in that methodical destroy mode. I enjoy watching him fight because I have yet to see a boring fight of his. He beats everybody at 154 and 160. I was visiting back home earlier this summer and I was at the card room and met up with a buddy who was part of GGG's training camp 2 fights ago. He said that his power is real and I asked him if he was big enough for 68 and he said he didnt know because he knew GGG had to eat just to stay above 60. Also told me he thinks GGG can hurt anybody within those weight-classes but 68 guys would be bigger than him. GGG will have that in common with $$May, Pacquaio, JMM, all who fight at higher weight classes-- Not bad company:cool:"


Makes sense...... At 32 years old he's not having a growth spurt. But its interesting that he's able to reach 154 with no problem in the amateurs he was fighting bigger guys. But since he will probably not grow into a true supermiddleweight as much as age into the weight... That makes 168, that much more of a gamble and provides for more potentially dangerous (but entertaining) fights.

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