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The Shadow:

"I've always said that Lewis avoided Holyfield until he was past his best. The same with Tyson.
It took me years to finally appreciate Lewis...but not on the basis of his long overdue fight with the real deal."


I wish I could say he avoided Tyson but he didn't. He got paid not to fight Tyson back in 1996 and sued Frank Bruno in 1995 when he fought Tyson since he was the mandatory.

He wanted that fight badly after seeing Buster Douglas beat Tyson.

"I already know how to beat him now," Lewis said of Douglas. "You just showed me how to beat him. And I know I'm better than you."

He was trying to fight Holyfield in the early '90s as well. Speaking of which, I was never that impressed with Holyfield.

I know many disagree but I think he got badly outclassed by an old Larry Holmes and he was a filthy cheater on many, many levels. He makes B-Hop and Andre Ward look like choir boys.

If anyone was at the right place at the right time it was him. Being objective, his best win is the 2nd Riddick Bowe fight.

Beyond his recuperative abilities and the way he would let his hands go, he never really impressed me that much.

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brownsugar:

I've always said that Lewis avoided Holyfield until he was past his best. The same with Tyson.
It took me years to finally appreciate Lewis...but not on the basis of his long overdue fight with the real deal.

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brownsugar:

Guerrero vs JMM is a good match.... These guys were made for each other.
Two blown up welters with a lot to give.
A minimum of movement
A maximum of trading
Mexican style.
JMM will have met his match in the "who can take it" department.
Please make it happen

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Carmine Cas:

"Talking about a bit of fantasy boxing. Check out how Kevin Hart is satirizing Money May and Uncle Roger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbC00T-3eS4. Holla!"

"You know I got suga!" LOL. Holla!

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Radam G:

Talking about a bit of fantasy boxing. Check out how Kevin Hart is satirizing Money May and Uncle Roger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbC00T-3eS4. Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

"Wasn't this fight made and scraped already? I don't like any fight involving Devon Alexander so I will root for Khan. Could be a snoozer."

Yeah same time last year I think :p. But Khan foolishly sat out because he wanted to wait for Mayweather in May.

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Radam G:

"That Camacho fight is completely blocked from my memory. I know I saw it but I have blocked every second out. You could be right about those sparring knockdowns and the amateur knockdowns. My first memories of Ray are from the '76 O Games. I wasn't even the Roast yet. Sparring knockdowns don't count. You talking about practice. What are we talking about, practice? When the lights were bright and the cameras were rolling the Sugarman was always ready. Don't talk to me about practice!"

Great! Okay! He got knocked down and eight counts at least five times in amateur national and international competition. He got knocked down nine times and knockout out in the pros. Holla!

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Radam G:

The IBO has moved from a fringe alphabet-$anctioning organization to one of the BIG BOYS. Thanks to the constant noting of HBO, Showtime, ESPN and major newspapers and popular cyberspace boksing universes LOUDLY announcing that the uber popular 3g and Doc Wlad K were IBO champions.

Just as what the uber popular middleweight world champion Marvelous Marvin Hagler and heavyweight world Larry Holmes did with the television powers of ABC Wide World of Sports, CBS Sports Spectacular and NBC Boxing to bring acceptance of the corrupted Robert Lee's 1980$ founded IBF by being recognized champions, 3g and Doc Wlad have done for the IBO.

Now its looking as if number #1 ranked lBO contender Juan Manuel Marquez will be getting his shot to become a five-division champion. Holla!

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the Roast:

Bingo!

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The Shadow:

"That Camacho fight is completely blocked from my memory. I know I saw it but I have blocked every second out. You could be right about those sparring knockdowns and the amateur knockdowns. My first memories of Ray are from the '76 O Games. I wasn't even the Roast yet. Sparring knockdowns don't count. You talking about practice. What are we talking about, practice? When the lights were bright and the cameras were rolling the Sugarman was always ready. Don't talk to me about practice!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

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the Roast:

Nice write up, I have only one thing to add. Lennox Lewis was a great Champion but he is very lucky he fought Holyfield at the end of Evander's run. If the fight or fights had taken place when both were younger and Holy was near his peak, Lennox would have been knocked the F out. Right place right time for Lewis.

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the Roast:

"He got knockdown in the bout with the late, great Camacho. Holla!"

That Camacho fight is completely blocked from my memory. I know I saw it but I have blocked every second out. You could be right about those sparring knockdowns and the amateur knockdowns. My first memories of Ray are from the '76 O Games. I wasn't even the Roast yet. Sparring knockdowns don't count. You talking about practice. What are we talking about, practice? When the lights were bright and the cameras were rolling the Sugarman was always ready. Don't talk to me about practice!

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the Roast:

Wasn't this fight made and scraped already? I don't like any fight involving Devon Alexander so I will root for Khan. Could be a snoozer.

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Carmine Cas:

I think one of the biggest question is does Alexander possess enough power to hurt Khan?

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brownsugar:

A fighter with limited movement against Khan? Guerrero must think he can get lucky.

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brownsugar:

The heavyweight division may be in its period of dormancy... But like a blade of grass bursting through 6 inches of concrete. It shall return.
Maybe not to its previous place of prominence.... Because we have acquired more appreciation of the lighter weight classes due the divisions lackluster state of affairs.
But mark my word....its coming back.

The division is still under the vise-like grip of Dr Steelhammer. However the next generation will soon emerge from its long season of gestation.
Its new manifestation will erase the former malaise of the heavyweight division and propel it into an era of anticipation, excitement and competitiveness.

There are always periods of lulls in boxing ...but it always comes back to its former glory.

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brownsugar:

"SK aint going down "to the mat" but he will be wandering around the ring aimlessly wondering what the hell is going on and why can't he corner this old guy and make him fall down like everyone has done for him.

SK only knows one script, one story. BH is a master writer. If he sees the story isn't going like he wants it to, he will re-write the script while the rest of us are reading it still."



Thanks for your very well stated opinion Michigan 400 (Go Bucks)
I enjoy reading the diversity of opinions on this site.

But I'm going to disagree slightly. Kovalev is more than a one trick pony. The kid takes his time to analyse, evaluate, synthesize an approach and execute the game plan.

He never comes in swinging wildly for the fences..
He considers his approach first.
Watch his fights ....always the same
1 to 3 rounds to decipher his opponents style.
The rest of the fight he closes the gap.

Kovalev has said he's not afraid of getting a loss on his record...
He's a rare fighter who fights for the challenge....not for the superficial vanity of flaunting his wins.

Pavlik was a fighter already weakened by believing the heavy hype and potential bestowed by HBO and the massive feedback from the fans.( and poor advice from the prison guard clad Jack "double-jab" Lowe)... He was also emotionally susceptible to failure due to his alcohol abuse.
His ability to adapt and adjust was stolen by the almighty bottle.

Kovalev has no such weaknesses.
BHOP could very well make Kovalev look like a fool for a few rounds... If that happens Kovalev won't disintegrate into the kind of hopelessness Pavlik did and resign himself to merely going through the motions.
And...to his credit BHOP is doing more training than talking.... He won't be easy prey.
I expect a good fight.

Kovalev just has to remember to treat him like an old man...and not to get into any " conversations " during the fight. Don't acknowledge the taunts or body language.. Just let his hands go.

BHOP has to fight the best fight of his entire life and not take 5 rounds to get warmed up.
If give Kovalev the edge by any means necessary.

However a win by BHOP would be among one of the greatest achievements in boxing

May the best man win.

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deepwater2:

GGG already signed on the dotted line to fight JCCJ , with a million dollar penalty if JCCJ comes in over the weight limit like he always does,the fight fell thru due to JCCJ's unwillingness to sign the contract. Since then JCCJ fired his lawyer who was getting in the way of the fight.



Froch has one fight left and he said he doesn't want it to be against GGG.



GGG hopes to get the winner of Cotto -Canelo .



Ward has been on the shelf for a year with legal problems hanging over him. He has to clear those hurdles before any negotiations with GGG begin.



Murray or Latin snake would be good stay busy fights . After that it's up in the air. When Ward is free to fight then it can be talked about. That fight can marinate for a bit while GGG cleans house.



How can Quillin feel good about himself throwing a belt in the trash to avoid a fight ? TsAH has Taylor,Quillin,Jacobs. How long can he hide those guys while GGG is running the division and becoming A star. Quillin hasn't even headlined a card yet so that sums him up.



Kessler is coming back. After he gets his feet wet why not challenge GGG? That's a fan friendly fight because of the styles involved.



Kessler also wants to rematch Ward and says Ward fought him dirty.

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Radam G:

"The grapevine had Amir Khan gloving up with Robert Guerrero, and the Twittersphere seemed to dig that style clash. The grapevine had it wrong though; in fact, Khan will meet ex welter champ Devon Alexander on Dec. 13, in a scrap to be presented on Showtime, which leaves Guerrero looking for a dance partner.
I asked Ghost's co-adviser and cornerman Bob Santos what happened to a Khan-Guerrero bout, and what might come next for the fighter who impressed in his last outing, getting a fan-friendly UD12 over Yoshi Kamegai on June 21. "The Alexander fight is a better style matchup for Khan, that's for sure," Santos told me. "Khan has avoided Robert for years. We're not sure what's next, Juan Manuel Marquez is a possibility. We will see."
Nothing not to like about that one, folks. Your thoughts?"


Wow! First! That is bull that Amir "The None Great" Khan has avoided the Ghost Guerrero. And I doubt that Juan Manuel Marquez fights with him.

The Pugvine is whirling with wind about Andre Berto and Hulkquez locking full-of-dat-syet horns. Maybe the humbugging, gun-carrying Ghost Guerrero can dance with Bam Bam Rios. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"He is caught in a bit of a Catch-22. If he gets Cotto, that will be a PPV same as Chavez Jr or Canelo. But I don't see those happening. He may have to move up and test his strength against Super Middleweights like A.A. or Stieglitz, but those are not PPV worthy. Froch would be, of course, but I sense Froch wants no part of this monster. So who does it leave? Quillin? N'Dam?

The MONSTER fight is against Ward. That would sell out any arena on the West Coast and be a PPV. But surely there are others before the Ward fight.

GGG is in a tight spot here."


They don't want that Dre Day.

GGG and Arthur Abraham. I'd like to see that fight.

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Kid Blast:

He is caught in a bit of a Catch-22. If he gets Cotto, that will be a PPV same as Chavez Jr or Canelo. But I don't see those happening. He may have to move up and test his strength against Super Middleweights like A.A. or Stieglitz, but those are not PPV worthy. Froch would be, of course, but I sense Froch wants no part of this monster. So who does it leave? Quillin? N'Dam?



The MONSTER fight is against Ward. That would sell out any arena on the West Coast and be a PPV. But surely there are others before the Ward fight.



GGG is in a tight spot here.

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Radam G:

"SRL had a great chin. The knock downs didn't start until the comebacks started. First one was in the Kevin Howard fight. Next one was Donny Lalonde. Two in the Hearns rematch and two in the Norris fight. That's six. I don't remember if Ray got knocked down in the Camacho fight, I have blocked that fight from my memory. Makes me kind of queazy just thinking about it."

He got knockdown in the bout with the late, great Camacho. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Chris isnt a total sap.... He knows that buddying with Manny won't win the fight.. They both have too much pride and only use the niceties to mask their naturally uber competitive nature.

If they get any nicer I may change my mind and buy the fight myself against my better judgement.

These two fighters are the kind of guys who grin when their faces are a blood filled mask of bruises and welts

Losing a fight for either one would be as egregious an act as selling their souls to Satan.

The smiles and kind words is only a thin opaque layer of surface tension .....primed to be ripped away and subplanted by the burning passion of two of the most competive boxers in the welterweight division.

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oubobcat:

Cunningham looked good in my opinion against a much bigger man who turned out could fight some.

I will second the Commish's statement about giving Cunningham a big fight. Lets take away what is going on in his life at the moment and just look at his ring credentials. He beat Adamek at Heavyweight (I know it was a draw but come on), gave Tyson Fury major fits and beat Amir Mansour in a fight of the year type fight. He has earned the right for a big fight and a big payday.

I even have a suggestion. If Mansour wins next month, lets make the rematch and make it as an opening bout on a boxing after dark card. They made a great fight the first time and will do so again in a rematch. But they need a bigger stage and bigger paychecks. This would be a great boxing after dark co-feature. It will be much better than some heavyweight fights we have seen as well recently on HBO. I say why not.

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Pazuzu:

Pazuzu's Top 10.

1. Ward
2. Golovkin
3. Mayweather
4. Pacquiao
5. Klitschko
6. R. Gonzalez
7. Kovalev
8. Froch
9. Hopkins
10. Rigondeaux

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brownsugar:

"I did an interview in NYC (using an interpreter) with Rigo around this time of year in 201. It was shortly before he won the 122-pound belt from Rico Ramos. I asked if he planned on moving up to featherweight before much longer.

"I am very comfortable at 122," he replied. Then he surprised me when he said, "I can move down to 118 quicker and easier than I can move to 126. I don't even walk around at 126. I can get to 118 with no problem."

Indeed, he can. When he beat Ramos for the Super Bantamweight crown, Rigo weighed 120 1/2. In his very last defense, back in July, he weighed 121 1/2.

In his massive amateur record, during which time he won two Olympic gold medals (2000 & 2004), he fought most of his fights as a bantamweight. In several of his earlier amateur fights, he fought bantamweights while weighing considerably less than the flyweight limit of 112.

I'm sure if the money was right, Rigo would get in against Nicholas Walters or Vasyl Lomachenko. He may even beat them. Why should he, though? He is already showing himself to be one of history's great 122-pound champions, and just may drop down and wreak havoc on the world's bantamweights.

We have spoken about era greats and all-time greats in other posts. Guillermo Rigondeaux is an era great who is rapidly closing in on becoming an all-time great.

Hopefully, he doesn't throw away his impending legendary status for the sake of the almight dollar.

-Randy G."


Agreed!!!! excellent post

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oubobcat:

1. Mayweather
2. Golovkin
3. Rigondeaux
4. Pacquiao
5. Ward
6. Bradley
7. Marquez
8. Kovalev
9. Roman Gonzalez
10. Klitschko

I have dropped Ward due to sever inactivity and removed Mikey Garcia as well due to his inactivity. Not only are they inactive but have no fights on the horizon.

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stormcentre:

Not going to surprise me to see Hopkins win and/or expose Kovalev.

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stormcentre:

"I'd like to see it. Rigo says he can make bantamweight without any trouble and fights at 122 to get the bigger fights.
Rigo also says 126 is a bit heavy but he may consider it for a big enough purse however he was clear that he wasn't chasing anyone at that weight.
Maybe things will change with time."


Yep - it would be a good scrap wouldn't it?

And . . it would be as hotly anticipated as Ward V Golovkin too.

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The Shadow:

"Anything can happen Pascal caught Bhop with a shot that floored him. Pascal is much faster than KK and im sure Bhop is banking on that. However, KK is a better boxer and finisher that Pascal and is more active as Pascal fights in spots.

If anything KK's height and reach may pose a problem."


He's an extremely adept finisher. Once he's got you, there's no letting go.

If Bernie gets buzzed, he's gonna need ALL his tricks up his sleeve to pull through because this Kovalev cat goes video game on dudes, I'm talking Scorpio in Mortal Kombat.

"FINISH HIM!"

And he usually does.

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