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Kid Blast:

My top ten since 1944:



1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Willie Pep

3. Joe Louis

4. Eder Jofre

5. Muhammad Ali

6. Carlos Monzon

7. Sandy Saddler

8. Sugar Ray Leonard

9. Roberto Duran

10. Ezzard Charles

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thegreyman:

"I think we're missing the point here, close to one million people were left out of pocket. Robbed by a poor bill, an affair which didn't live up to the Mayhem tag and as has become the standard series of events regarding Mayweather; an intoxicating and scintillating campaign of hype before the fight and a borefest when the fight begins. I give thanks for BoxNation and praise HBO PPV's for never boring me to sleep."

Did you forget? Pretty Boy's a back robber...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ND3fmrKlw&t=5m33s

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thegreyman:

It would be far more informative to know Showtime's profit margin on Maidana episode 2.

That would give us more of an indication than straight PPV buys, which are most likely doctored.

I want to know how much money Showtime are making after everyone's been given their cut; whether it's as much as they were hoping to make off Floyd's back, and whether they have an issue with the amount they're making. OK they may be doing 950'000 PPV buys, but that's irrelevant until we know what they want/need for their profits.

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deepwater2:

Thanks guys. My heart is with BJS but like you guys pointed out Eubank has been working very hard, he was in Froch's last camp holding his own in sparring. I never knew this but his dad shipped him off to Cuba to learn the hard way. I think it's close to even fight. The press conferences with the Eubanks are going to be pretty entertaining. I expect a tough fight, I can see either guy winning but I see BJS taking the risks to win the fight.

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thegreyman:

Damn it D2 I was just about to post a thread on this!

Great video, the Irish traveller community are surely one of the best at trash talk- genuinely original each time! Love it!

The problem is though, that Eubank Jr is seriously skilled, has a great trainer, and keeps in phenomenal physical condition. This will be his 7th (SEVENTH fight of the year, but only the second for Billy Joe- we know who will be more comfortable coming into the ring.

Eubank has looked good in every fight too. Powerful, fast, intelligent- a little too much posturing for my liking but there's no denying the man can fight.

I'm expecting Eubank Jr to win in what should be a great domestic bout, in what has been a fantastic year for British boxing.

What's you prediction on the fight D2?

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Skibbz:

Great find. I think the points you outlined are right. You can be sure a large proportion of the travel community will be placing money on BJS to get the job done, and if they lose their money it will be on BJS's head.



I think he's a very good fighter but his fitness lets him down so much. It's a shame. I think Eubank Jr will do it.. Too much skill and in too great a condition... Although this is a massive step up from fighting road sweepers and cab drivers.

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thegreyman:

I can imagine there would be turmoil in the organisation with the situation they have.

Serial losers in their stable, identity issues; naturally leading to promotional issues as they struggle to create any fresh appeal or interest in their brand, amidst a new crop of young, exciting and extremely skilled fighters.

If all your promotional company has to promote is quite frankly a bit s**t, then there will be problems, and the top man would gladly blame those around him rather than turn his criticism inwards.

Unfortunately, Floyd seems to be becoming more reserved, alone and and cold hearted. Such is the way with all men with absolute power, who remain at the top too long.

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Skibbz:

I think we're missing the point here, close to one million people were left out of pocket. Robbed by a poor bill, an affair which didn't live up to the Mayhem tag and as has become the standard series of events regarding Mayweather; an intoxicating and scintillating campaign of hype before the fight and a borefest when the fight begins. I give thanks for BoxNation and praise HBO PPV's for never boring me to sleep.

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Radam G:

I'm reminded of that commercial about a Texas bland of hot-sauce dip: "Get a ROPE!"

There is always something up with Tragic Man -- I mean Magic Man -- Tarver. I think that he was looking bad in training, and against the Kronk fighter/trainer J Banks, he didn't have a hope. And he needed more time for his roid usage to come under the radar even though Texas doesn't give a holy d@mn about a little roids and PEDs. Holla!

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Radam G:

Keep an upper stiff lip and LIE! It is American as Apple PIE. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I caught the fight at at my local (Ocean's 8) and they were charging $30 a head.

Arrived about 11pm, walked downstairs, and . . . ghost town.

I had my choice of stools, and although a thin crowd trickled in, it never amounted to much. Looked like a Wednesday afternoon in there.

They would've done better business had they not shown the fight at all. I imagine they'll think twice about showing the next Mayweather fight unless it's vs. Cotto or Pacquiao."


That $30 a head counted as PPV payouts. Don't believe the bullspit and syet that it didn't. Holla!

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Radam G:

Exaggeration is fast in effect.

Crooked-@$$, jealous-of-HBO Showtime is cooking the books -- as I said that they would -- with freebies given to military and government bases, posts and housing. Plus all the pirating hookups from cable outlets and, of course, the freebies at pubs and clubs.

Holla at the pubs and clubs owners. They will tell you that they have a hookups with Showtime to count every customs and dey driver as individual PPV buyouts.

TsOTT and OIs are every darn where. Holla!

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Radam G:

Haters and busters and control-freak hustlers and make-everybody-go-along-to-get along rustlers are always going to yank fairy tales outta yesteryears and at nowadays proof and actuality of the reality throw spears. Spears of making it up when they can even see films. And they will tell you his best days are not on the films -- bunch ear-witnesses and some eyewitnesses, but never boksing brain witnesses.

The problems is that there are lookers, not seers. And every expert and his daddy know that lookers are looking at everything but they not seeing a d@mn thing. Holla!

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riverside:

Im not too sold on postal abilities, his best win was against an easy to hit Aydin, Very limited Secuk was way over rated. interesting to see who Danny Garcia fights next?. Garcia Vs Postal would of been good fight, But I think Danny would of toppled him. Now I like Mathysse over Postal, I think we all have the GGG syndrone, thinking all the eastern Europen boxer will duplicate him. there is only one GGG, comes every 100 years.

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The Commish:

"Like the list and can't say I can really argue with it. To me, its the best list out there and indicates the true pound for pound rankings in the sport.

Regarding Mayweather, he slipped a bit from his one spot. I actually had to think, albeit for just a second or two, before automatically inserting him #1. In the past, it started Mayweather automatically and then figure the rest out.

Ward is slipping and deservedly so. Its hard to rate someone that high given the lack of activity since December 2011 and no fights currently on the docket. Its a shame and a waste of what should be his prime years in this sport."


No question about it, 'cat. Ward is wastin' away, fighting--and losing--in the courtrooms, instead of doing his fighting in the place he is least likely to lose--the ring.

-Randy G.

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New York Tony:

Robinson - absolutely right. And plenty of others ahead of Mayweather, like Greb, Louis, Pep ...

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The Shadow:

"What I really want to know is what was the total revenue from these fights?

I was out myself at a theater. Last time I was at a theater, it was packed (sold out 30 minutes into the J'Leon Love fight). This was in Cleveland, OH. This time I was in Rochester, NY and there were about 10 people at the theater. No sell out, no standing room.

Maybe the PPV did slightly better but did the total revenue generated do any better? And how is this deal working out for Showtime so far? Are they happy with it or having sever second thoughts? My guess is that latter."


The way it's structured, overall, they can't lose money on the deal. They're happy, though I've heard they were a little concerned with the negative backlash leading up to the pay-per-view.

Even if you isolate Mayweather's purse -- which is fronted by SHO, just like HBO did -- and match it up against their percentage of PPV revenue, say it did 900K vs. 1.2 million, the difference in Showtime/CBS' percentage cut is only $1 million.

Also, revenue should be super high due to higher price points.

Theaters count as close circuits. They fall under that revenue stream. Close circuit is a relatively insignificant income source from a percentage standpoint.

Finally, SHO declined comment due to their policy but the source spoke to Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, traditionally a trusted source.

As any good journalist should, Iole investigated the veracity of the tally by fact-checking the different cable sources who reported anywhere from 10-20% increases over the last fight.

The full numbers won't be in for quite a while.

The 925,000 buyrate is an impressive figure, considering low projections and lackluster tracking indicators.

Due to the landscape of late, industry insiders speculated the high output of PPV telecasts across the board (WWE, boxing and MMA) had led to a saturated market, given the fact that most 2014 PPVs failed to hit projections.

Many experts even predicted the #Mayhem buyrate would fail to hit 800,000.

In retrospect, however, the total figure is hardly a surprise when you consider the new markets Mayweather reached with the torrent of bad publicity.

As it turns out, the lawsuits and domestic violence criticisms led to features on TMZ, ESPN and CNN, which most likely spiked buys also.

Instead of causing a mass buyer exodus, the constant stream of negative Mayweather press perhaps simply alerted people who may not have known that the number one pound-for-pound was back in action.

While the court of public opinion can be harsh, in boxing -- it would appear -- it does not seem to matter. As long as you keep on #winning.

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oubobcat:

I have seen Smith before and for me I kind of compared him a little to Brian Rose. Smith is better and a little more skilled but not by too much. Then again, Abraham is slipping and past his peak. I think this fight is entertaining but Smith goes out in round five or six after giving one valiant effort.

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oubobcat:

Like the list and can't say I can really argue with it. To me, its the best list out there and indicates the true pound for pound rankings in the sport.

Regarding Mayweather, he slipped a bit from his one spot. I actually had to think, albeit for just a second or two, before automatically inserting him #1. In the past, it started Mayweather automatically and then figure the rest out.

Ward is slipping and deservedly so. Its hard to rate someone that high given the lack of activity since December 2011 and no fights currently on the docket. Its a shame and a waste of what should be his prime years in this sport.

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oubobcat:

What I really want to know is what was the total revenue from these fights?

I was out myself at a theater. Last time I was at a theater, it was packed (sold out 30 minutes into the J'Leon Love fight). This was in Cleveland, OH. This time I was in Rochester, NY and there were about 10 people at the theater. No sell out, no standing room.

Maybe the PPV did slightly better but did the total revenue generated do any better? And how is this deal working out for Showtime so far? Are they happy with it or having sever second thoughts? My guess is that latter.

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MCM:

I caught the fight at at my local (Ocean's 8) and they were charging $30 a head.



Arrived about 11pm, walked downstairs, and . . . ghost town.



I had my choice of stools, and although a thin crowd trickled in, it never amounted to much. Looked like a Wednesday afternoon in there.



They would've done better business had they not shown the fight at all. I imagine they'll think twice about showing the next Mayweather fight unless it's vs. Cotto or Pacquiao.

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riverside:

I need to see to believe, Showtime has not been to quick to release numbers before. Why Now?

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deepwater2:

Is Espinoza, using the alias John Smith,calling all the writers and telling them this number? Let's see the real numbers when they come out.

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Radam G:

Holla at Boxrec about some of SRR's birth places. The truth is oftentimes surrounded by a bodyguard of lies about SRR. And people oughta' quit playing all of these fairy tales about him.

The truth always knocks down and eventually out the BIG LIE! SRR was all that and a piece of apple pie. But he was not a cup of blueberry tea. He probably drunk his peepee. Holla!

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deepwater2:

That's a good fight on a big stage. MH might force Garcia into a rematch if he keeps winning.

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Radam G:

"No. SRR was never robbed. The fights he did lose were legitimate losses, but he won so many, who cares? When Joey Archer floored him, everyone knew it was over. Turpin beat him fair and square and so did Joey Maxim with a little help from the heat."



It is hardcore documentation that Sugar Ray Robinson was "ROBBED" under his birth name in his birth state of Alabama. I know that records show that he was born in Georgia. But there are also records showing that he was born in Cali.



Optical illusions and lies are everywhere. I can probably get a birth certificate of Sugar Ray Robinson right here in the P-Islands. Hehe.



But forensic evidence always shut dat syet down. Forensic doesn't play the clown or can drown. Holla!

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Radam G:

"TBE" is hands down the late, great boxng Wiz Willie Pep. He ducked less whup-arse pugs than both Money May and Sugar Ray and he won more fights. Old Sugarman's nut riders are always yakking how SRR was 122-1. But they never talk about how Willie Pep won over 170 bouts after he broke his back in a plane crash.

Now that is gangster. Break your back, and six months later you come back and is still whupping arse.

Money May was stank-bytch crying because he broke his finger nail and thought that Chino bit him. STFU crybaby! How are you going to be "TBE" and cry like that? Holla!

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Kid Blast:

No. SRR was never robbed. The fights he did lose were legitimate losses, but he won so many, who cares? When Joey Archer floored him, everyone knew it was over. Turpin beat him fair and square and so did Joey Maxim with a little help from the heat.

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brownsugar:

I must say I'm shocked but not truly surprised.
What better advertisement is there than when the furious media talking heads attempt to sabatoge a show by publically attacking the leading man?,

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brownsugar:

Having seen Mr Robinson with my own prepubescent eyeballs I have to concur... Robinson was uniquely talented and one of the best ever. He also entered the sport at an entry level weight where Floyd naturally maxxed out at.......as Ray was the naturally bigger man.

Both Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard would have been uniquely equipped to potentially solve the Mayvinchi code. Although at 130 and 135 even Duran or Pryor were not sure shot winners against the Money Man..... but in a series of fights, Floyd would have most certainly lost a few.

The greatness of Robinson is an old song that will continue to be vigorously sung until human beings begin building fighters through genetically modified DNA coding. Which is possible now... But won't be legally or ethically probable until at least a decade or two from now.

I wouldnt be surprised if the powers try to clone a few great fighters just to see what would happen....lol

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