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Skibbz:

If Broner sticks around at 140 he's going to have to fight Mattyhsse, Provodnikov, Postol and a host of other top level contenders in the division. This should be a good fight, if Matthysse's last fight is anything to go by.

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The Commish:

QUOTE=flackoguapo;62656]Thank you for the mention in another post Bsuge. I do not know what being MOD entails so I chose to stay in the background when I saw my name. I know that most that post on here are laid back but I did not want to step on any toes by jumping into something with no regard. Thank you for coming in short notice and I always enjoy picturing what you usually say in such a vivid way."

First, we all thank you, B-Sug, for stepping up at the last moment to become the latest MODerator.

Secondly, to flackoguapo, you say you don't know what being the MODerator entails. Easy. You must have a passion, understanding, knowledge and even love for boxing. As this is a boxing--and no other sport--site and you're here, you most likely are the same kind of boxing junkie we all are. You've also called into my show. I've heard youre passion. You'd fit perfectly down the road as a MOD.

Another requirement is reading. You must be able to read (uh-oh!...here come the $$$May jokes!!!). Then, you must be able to spend a bit of time (anywhere from 24 minutes to 24 hours per day) reading through each of the posts and creating Threads (topics) for the readers to ponder over and post on.

That's really all it takes. Plus, you receive remuneration for your two weeks as MOD. Nobody around here doesn't love remuneration!!!

So, after B-Sug leads this boxing-junkie ensemble for the next two weeks, maybeit'll be you, flacko, who takes the baton from him.

Like a fighter who has passed through the fours, sixes and eights, you are now a main eventer. You have paid your dues.

You are ready!

Just watch B-Sug in action.

Now, away we go on two weeks of journalistic fistic fun!

-Randy G

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stormcentre:

Here it is . . . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5sSt4sPUB8

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stormcentre:

WTF . . all that talk and JLL runs for 3 rounds and then drops his right hand when in the corner and not gassed.

Far out man.

I try not to laugh at a guy that tries and loses out.

But there are some really, less than spectacular thoughts and moves there.

Not sure what else to say.

Not sure what Floyd would think of that, coming from TMT gym and all that.

Come on man, JLL was thinking defence so much he wasn’t even in range when throwing; he was pulling back that conscientiously.

There's a vid of JLL sparring Dirrell on the InterWeb and that gives a pretty good example of the JLL dudes potential.

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stormcentre:

I would like to see either Rios V Cotto or Rios V Thurman.

So long as some gets knocked out.

:)

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the Roast:

Rios has no business calling out Cotto.

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oubobcat:

I would be for a Cotto-Rios clash. In all honesty, its a better fight than the Andy Lee fight that's on the table now for Cotto. Lee was getting beaten in his last fight until he scored that one punch KO.

Rios would bring it and make this one entertaining fight. Ultimately, I think Cotto would break him down round by round but it would sure be fun while it lasts. Hope this one can get done.

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brownsugar:

"I don't think this fight is even realistic . Did Rios actually say this?

Even if Rios did say this Cotto is not doing a lower catch weight. He is a middleweight / Jr. Middleweight and probably will never go down below 154 ever again( maybe for 20 million or more to rematch Floyd in a super fight)

Styles make fights and Rios doesn't bring much to the table lately because he was losing to Chaves in a horrible fight and got shutout in the worst possible way against Pac, because he didn't even let his hands go one time. What will he throw against Cotto?

Andy Lee is a 6 ft 1 middleweight who just got a knockout of the year nomination. He is Irish and even though he is a big under dog, his Irish fans will help Madison Square Garden sell out. Cotto is allowed one easier type of fight after his destruction of Sergio M. And Lee will let his hands go and make an exciting fight. Cotto vs Lee at MSG is the biggest $$$ fight without Cotto taking on a champion.

Adam Booth ,Lee's trainer , is on the internet saying that the rumors of Quillin vs Lee are false. In boxing translation that means thAH might actually be negotiating that fight. Would Quiilin drop his belt and try to set up a Danny Jacobs match in a battle of BK instead of losing to Kovalev and thAH losing his leverage in the division?"


Have to agree .... A fight with Rios only tarnishes Cotto's career.

Hayman loves belts ...he'd rather his fighters lose their belts in the ring rather than be stripped by the alphabet sanctioning entity outside of the ring.

At least if they lose everyone gets paid and the show goes on.
If his fighters win ....then Hayman uses the belt like a platinum bargaining chip.
Less than 3 or 4 boxers in the world have the clout to ditch titles and ignore mandatories with impunity.

Peter Quillen isn't one of them. But I don't think Quillin came this far to leave his title in the hands of other fighters uncontested.

Both Quillin and Cotto should be wary of Lee.(should they meet)
Lee is probably the nastiest spoiler in the middleweight division.

Rios sounds as desperate as Shannon Briggs who ate food off another mans plate in order to gain attention.

Let Rios fight Thurman and earn a shot.

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oubobcat:

I just read this and am flabbergasted to say the least. What are Quillin and Haymon waiting for? Who else right now can Quillin fight making 1.2 million? What is going on here?

I would be stunned if Quillin doesn't end up signing by Wednesday. Then again, who knows what Haymon could be plotting and what could be going on behind the scenes at the moment.

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deepwater2:

"Michael Spinks fought Dewight Quawi Muhammed just 2 months after his 24 year old wife was tragically killed in an automobile accident in 1984.
Spinks daughter asked him 2 weeks before the fight if her mommy was going to show up at the fight.
Its said that Spinks broke down into a sobbing heaving mess as the realization of what he had lost hit him like a ton a bricks.

Still ....Michael pulled it together and kept his win streak alive to win a 15 round decision over a very tough and competitive challenger.

Quillen would do well to make note of Spinks example ... There will be plenty of time to vaction after the fight and 1.4 million reasons to enjoy it."

Quillin should of been in the waiting room handing out cigars to family and friends with one hand and on a cell phone in the other hand,telling Watson to courier that contract over right now so he can sign it and get the biggest payday of his career and a chance to earn respect and recognition by beating a live man. He is the weakest middleweight champion in boxing today. This fight will earn him accolades and big money.

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oubobcat:

I thought Love lost to Rosado and Periban. I never thought he was elite talent as he was being built up as.

But that said, no way did I think Medina would spring this upset. I actually thought if there was an upset possible on this card it would be on the Badou Jack-Jason Escalera fight. Of course, that turned out to be one sided for Jack.

Love and Medina kind of felt each other out in the first and then in the 2nd Medina's pressure started to get to Love. You could see the pressure having an impact on Love and it was smart pressure in that Medina was easily cutting the ring off. And that pressure helped trap Love in the corner in the third to set up that left hook that flattened Love.

In boxing, there are knockouts that you can come back from and knock outs that are very tough to come back from. Badou Jack for example appears to have been caught cold in his KO loss six months ago. That is a KO loss that can be come back from. Love, though, was broken down mentally by the pressure and absolutely drilled with a left hook in the 3rd round that left him out of it. This will be a KO loss that will be very difficult to come back from for Love in my opinion.

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brownsugar:

"You know it! Floyd knows he could be dethroned by Maidana so he wants to know everything that went on in the Maidana camp. Alex Ariza is shady, seems like he can't get along with anyone. Wait until he gets turned off by Floyd's arrogance and self centered ways, then he'll spill the beans on Floyd."



There is a saying in the bible, "be either hot or cold or I will spew you out of my mouth"

There is nothing lukewarm about your feelings for Ariza (and Floyd).

Welcome to the TSS Deniese Alvarez.

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deepwater2:

"Chino is a harder one punch hitter than Canelo. Canelo is crisper and his power is aided by his combination punching, but Chino is harder puncher.

Gatti was waaaaaaaay past his prime and war torn. Sure Floyd would have beat him at any time in his career, but the fact you use that fight at that stage is a not accurate to Gatti's abilities. think about a prime Gatti against Floyd and what a good fight that would have been even if Floyd beat him 12 rounds to 0.

Floyd at this stage and age, would not beat GGG at 160."


Correct. If you re watch that fight Gatti looks bloated and out of it before the bell even sounded. Remember the first knockdown that set the tone for the rest of the fight? Floyd elbowed Gatti to the face, Gatti turned to the ref to complain, Floyd clocked him. Gatti went down, got up and was never in the fight. The elbow started the end.

At this stage Floyd won't fight PAC how can he fight GGG?

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deepwater2:

I don't think this fight is even realistic . Did Rios actually say this?



Even if Rios did say this Cotto is not doing a lower catch weight. He is a middleweight / Jr. Middleweight and probably will never go down below 154 ever again( maybe for 20 million or more to rematch Floyd in a super fight)



Styles make fights and Rios doesn't bring much to the table lately because he was losing to Chaves in a horrible fight and got shutout in the worst possible way against Pac, because he didn't even let his hands go one time. What will he throw against Cotto?



Andy Lee is a 6 ft 1 middleweight who just got a knockout of the year nomination. He is Irish and even though he is a big under dog, his Irish fans will help Madison Square Garden sell out. Cotto is allowed one easier type of fight after his destruction of Sergio M. And Lee will let his hands go and make an exciting fight. Cotto vs Lee at MSG is the biggest $$$ fight without Cotto taking on a champion.



Adam Booth ,Lee's trainer , is on the internet saying that the rumors of Quillin vs Lee are false. In boxing translation that means thAH might actually be negotiating that fight. Would Quiilin drop his belt and try to set up a Danny Jacobs match in a battle of BK instead of losing to Kovalev and thAH losing his leverage in the division?

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amayseng:

If Cotto fights Rios at 152 and has a mw belt he looks like he is scared to death of GGG



That would be a blatant duck

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brownsugar:

"This fight boils down to one simple thing. If Kovalev lets his hands go he wins, if he doesn't he loses."

That's the question ...will Kovalev become just another fighter who is merely happy to be there....he seems to have a lot of respect for Bhop. Will the Krusher....... the brutal ring tyrant who is thirsty for knock outs show up on fight night or just another autograph seeker?

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amayseng:

Chino is a harder one punch hitter than Canelo. Canelo is crisper and his power is aided by his combination punching, but Chino is harder puncher.

Gatti was waaaaaaaay past his prime and war torn. Sure Floyd would have beat him at any time in his career, but the fact you use that fight at that stage is a not accurate to Gatti's abilities. think about a prime Gatti against Floyd and what a good fight that would have been even if Floyd beat him 12 rounds to 0.

Floyd at this stage and age, would not beat GGG at 160.

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stormcentre:

Clever psychological move on Floyd's part.



Now Chino (may) feel a little like Margarito felt when walking out to face Sugar Shane.



And . . . for that comparison perhaps Floyd may also feel the way Shane did; in such that Shane - for curious reasons - opted not to make too much of Antonio's (unfair) advantage.



Personally, I can't imagine anything that Ariza knows and/or can access that Floyd can't or hasn't.



Floyd's going to pick Chino apart - perhaps even bust him up.



Have a look at Mayweather V Chavez; Floyd destroyed Chavez' soul and "played" him brilliantly. Chavez was 35-1-0 going in and in his prime.



Alvarez; Floyd stood in front of him and completely surprised and embarrassed him. Alvarez is a solid light middle and in his prime.



Corley; azz whipping and out-classing of the highest order. Corely was/is no mug.



Gatti; seriously exposed as a club fighter.



Corrales; was 33-0-0 going in and was slapped senseless.



Castillo "may" have won the first fight, but Floyd had hand problems and was also moving up in weight from super featherweight to lightweight. Add to that Castillo was a big (particularly on fight night) lightweight. In the rematch Floyd dominated with a UD.



After the Castillo fights (which themselves followed the Jesus Chavez blowout) came Victoriano Sosa (35-2-2 going in with Floyd) and Ndou (30-1-0 going in with Floyd); with Sosa getting blown away on the scorecards for a UD win for Floyd, and Ndou getting stopped in the 7th round.



Both guys (Sosa and Ndou) were not past their use by dates when they fought Floyd, by any means.



The above is just a few.



There are many more brilliant fights and examples of how good Mayweather is, and (in my opinion) how he will become a serious problem for Chino in the rematch.



Chino is not tougher or a harder puncher than Alvarez.



Sure Floyd has performed better in the featherweight and lightweight divisions, and sure he has "managed" aspects of his career; but the boy can solve a problem in the ring and close/take guys out with not only minimal risk to himself but also a style that lends itself to judges - there's no doubt about that.



Floyd has just chosen to fight a way that preserves himself, his health and his wealth; particularly at welterweight and above.



Anyone thinking Floyd is not the real deal . . . . view the above (few) fights and the mad skills Floyd displays and ask yourself "do you think Floyd has forgot how to do that and/or that his current style has not evolved to be as it is, because it is not better".



One of Floyd's greatest assets is the fact that he knows precisely what counters are available to his opponent whenever he (himself) throws, and braced with this knowledge - when attacking or countering - he limits his opponent's options whilst maximising his own.



3G does a similar thing, although he is not as cerebral - more power centric - particularly after he knows he has confused his opponent's temporal balance with one of the punches I have previously described; to the temple with the right hand.



Check his (3G's) attack style - you will see what I mean.



Happy to elaborate if the demand for it is there.



With this knowledge, there is a way to beat Gennady or devise a fight plan that will (provided it is installed in the correct mind/body) thwart his style though.



I wonder if anyone that reads this site - that is all the top notch trainers and fighters - dares to step forward and explain it.



Come on - I dare and commend you.



:)

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Radam G:

"JayZ and Al Hayman actually have a very healthy working relationship. Al sold 49% interest of his highly successful business Al Hayman productions to LIVE NATION (formally SFX) in 1999.



Somewhere around 2008 LIVE NATION (who also produces tours for Lady Gaga and Madona) bought 51% of the controlling share.



LIVE NATION works with Beyonces management company Parkwood entertainment to manage and co- produce her 200 million $ plus Worldwide Tour.



Al Hayman has been an integral part of LIVE Nations family of promoter networks since 1999.



LIVE NATION hired the Reed Accounting Firm and informed Beyonce that her father Mathew Knowles was possibly pilfering cash from Beyonce's family business. ( or at least told her there were some discrepancies)



Matthew Knowles filed legal papers saying that he and Hayman were being implicated in a false accusation by LIVE NATION regarding the embezzlement of Beyones funds .



Beyonces dad Matthew Knowles was subsequently "let go" quietly by Beyonce who said the lines between her father who also served as manager were becoming too blurry and she had to separate herself.



The point I'm making is Al Hayman is part of LIVE NATION and has worked with Beyonce and JayZ for the mutual benefit of their many concert and business interests.



The source of malcontent and potential malfeasance stemmed from her business relationship with her father.



ROC Nation didn't make such a generous offer to Quillen out of the blue. It was offered because of an ongoing business relationship between JayZ and Al Hayman.



Beyonce keeps the matter regarding her dad strictly a family matter and hasn't broadcast much detail about it.



But all manner of rumors have taken root on the internet. And actually the whole crux of the matter was Beyonces dad."




Ditto dat! The Queen B did tell old daddy to buzz away. And stay. Holla!

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brownsugar:

JayZ and Al Hayman actually have a very healthy working relationship. Al sold 49% interest of his highly successful business Al Hayman productions to LIVE NATION (formally SFX) in 1999.

Somewhere around 2008 LIVE NATION (who also produces tours for Lady Gaga and Madona) bought 51% of the controlling share.

LIVE NATION works with Beyonces management company Parkwood entertainment to manage and co- produce her 200 million $ plus Worldwide Tour.

Al Hayman has been an integral part of LIVE Nations family of promoter networks since 1999.

LIVE NATION hired the Reed Accounting Firm and informed Beyonce that her father Mathew Knowles was possibly pilfering cash from Beyonce's family business. ( or at least told her there were some discrepancies)

Matthew Knowles filed legal papers saying that he and Hayman were being implicated in a false accusation by LIVE NATION regarding the embezzlement of Beyones funds .

Beyonces dad Matthew Knowles was subsequently "let go" quietly by Beyonce who said the lines between her father who also served as manager were becoming too blurry and she had to separate herself.

The point I'm making is Al Hayman is part of LIVE NATION and has worked with Beyonce and JayZ for the mutual benefit of their many concert and business interests.

The source of malcontent and potential malfeasance stemmed from her business relationship with her father.

ROC Nation didn't make such a generous offer to Quillen out of the blue. It was offered because of an ongoing business relationship between JayZ and Al Hayman.

Beyonce keeps the matter regarding her dad strictly a family matter and hasn't broadcast much detail about it.

But all manner of rumors have taken root on the internet. And actually the whole crux of the matter was Beyonces dad.

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stormcentre:

Agree with most of the above.

Also . . . it's hard for me to imagine that PQ was brimming with excitement/confidence with the thought of facing a southpaw like "MK Ultra"; who has shown he isn't scared of 3G (at least in his previous incarnation).

I don't see anyone (previously or currently) from Roaches' gym that's interested in a 3G, or similar challenge.

They know the deal.

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stormcentre:

"I agree its a good fight .... And Brandon has to think about his life after boxing considering that his days as an upper tier attraction are probably more finite than they were a year ago.

In my humble opinion the only thing lacking is credibility.

Would Cotto throw his name and into the hat with a fomer junior welter that hasnt proven he can compete with the best at 140, 147, or heaven forbid.....154 ?

This fight doesnt do a thing for Cotto. And the ensuing massacre wont reflect well on the boxing community.

Cotto ... The middleweight champ can probably get away with ducking GGG a while longer.... BUT to duck GGG and fight Rios??? I don't think so."


I think your last sentence may be the one thing - if any - that the fight does for Cotto.

Keep him away from 3G and Madison Square Garden.

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brownsugar:

Michael Spinks fought Dewight Quawi Muhammed just 2 months after his 24 year old wife was tragically killed in an automobile accident in 1984.
Spinks daughter asked him 2 weeks before the fight if her mommy was going to show up at the fight.
Its said that Spinks broke down into a sobbing heaving mess as the realization of what he had lost hit him like a ton a bricks.

Still ....Michael pulled it together and kept his win streak alive to win a 15 round decision over a very tough and competitive challenger.

Quillen would do well to make note of Spinks example ... There will be plenty of time to vaction after the fight and 1.4 million reasons to enjoy it.

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brownsugar:

Yep ...a few ....still have push those comfort foods away

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amayseng:

"Those are the clowns that are juiced ! Calling Garcia a rag doll . Garcia said muscles don't impress him."

Yep they are clueless. lifting weights and being strong has nothing to do with fighting..

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The Good Doctor:

Word is that Quilin's camp asked for an extension because he just became a father in late August and he did not want to leave his wife to go to the signing.

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Radam G:

"Those are the clowns that are juiced ! Calling Garcia a rag doll . Garcia said muscles don't impress him."

Grandpa Rob used to beat the syet outta on-dat-syet muscles who thought that they wanted to box and could beat boksingeros with dat hyped-up more-than-martial-arts-movies syet. Dat syet gives no one kiss-arse abilities.

I've knocked so many giant roid monster da double fudge out that I've lost count. Those giants are for prevention, not protection. This is why you don't see the secret services maddog killas of the politicians looking like them. Those giants are just a Money May sideshow thing. Dude is an artmaster at steal publicity and intrigue. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I'm crying here HAHAHAHAHAHA"



They are like James "Lights Out" Toney. They don't have Mandingo muscular genetics, but "Kakwa" big belly ones. This ethnic tribe of black Africans -- the late Idi Amin Dada was one -- are belly thick, not belly flat and muscular like Mandingo tribemen and some of the other ethnic tribes with that built.



How well you look after taking roids have a lot to do with your diet and genetics. I know a whole lot of steroid-taking AmerKano footballers built just like Money Money's monster squad of beefy security guards. Primarily, a lot of the Asiatic Samoans are like that way. And somo wrestlers are that way. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Another angle could be Roc Nation trying to muscle tsAH out of they way. Pretty sure Jay Z hates tsAH -since he ripped off his wife Beyonc . Will thAH try and boycott any fight with Roc Nation? Could be a power struggle behind the scenes.

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deepwater2:

"Those jokers were talking smack to chino and garcia.....dudes are a joke"
Those are the clowns that are juiced ! Calling Garcia a rag doll . Garcia said muscles don't impress him.

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