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Radam G:

Good trainers always tell the truth after the dance. You deal with actuality to be successful in da game. Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

If I am Maidana's trainer here is what I do:

1. I will have my fighters jab on turbo. It will be out early and often. The jab is the greatest weapon for someone at a speed disadvantage at which Maidana will be.

2. Up the punch count. 120 a round is stupid but 80 might be a reasonable number and if you are in great shape it is doable. Which brings number three..........

3. Conditioning. Floyd is not going to tire. The only time in the last 10 years I can even remember his mouth being open was against Cotto. I would have my fighter be ready to fight 12 rounds at a break neck pace. I would emphasize that there will be very few times that we are throwing one punch at a time and I would lean more towards 4 and 5 punch combos alternating body and head shots.

4. A lot of mental preparation. I would make my fighter understand that winning this fight is not likely going to be from one great shot or that winning this fight will even be remotely easy. I will make my fighter understand that you may have to win rounds without landing a clean shot, with taking a clean shot, without feeling like you did any damage, or with it being arduous and frustrating to do so. Also remember that although he is great he can be hit. Chop Chop, Castillo, Shane, Cotto, De La Hoya and Zab have proven that. To quote the movie Rocky, He's not a machine

5. Make it ugly. You guys have explained that well in posts before so I need not beat a dead horse.

6. Get off first. Trying to stand there and find and angle or whole with Floyd is near impossible. Also trying to counter Floyd is a losing proposition. Therefore come out with your guns blazing.

7. After you fire, tie him up and do it properly. Alot of people have tried to tie Floyd up but they fail to do it properly. Shane did this against Margarito and Hop has made a living at it. If you are going to tie someone up you have to get your arms out side of theirs and then try to cross your forearms in an X while holding theirs. Then tuck your chin and roll your shoulders slightly forward. That completely neutralizes any chance of a punch.

8. Lastly, I will take a lesson from the great philosopher of my youth...........................................Rowdy Roddy Piper..LOL!! Roddy once said "Once you think you have all the answers, I change the questions!!!" My fighter will have two maybe three distinct gameplans for the fight and here's why. I think the most under reported and under appreciated part of Floyd's skill is his mental acuity to figure a guy out within a few rounds. The only way to challenge that is to change your gameplan once he appears to know how you work. It may be changing stances, it may be starting out all body then moving upstairs or whatever, but the style of my fighter would be extremely fluid. If any of you remember the Colts-Saints Super Bowl, that is how the Saints held Manning in check. They completely changed their defense at halftime and by the time Peyton figured it out again, the game was over.


Is this enough, I don't know but I do believe it is a good foundation.

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MisterLee:

Hey guys,



Thanks so much for the feedback. I have and am still studying the game, and I am very fired up about the good work Bradley did.



@The Commish - Man those are some nice words. I really appreciate it. I'm still learning as a boxing fan and writer. I will keep writing (just for fun though!).



@TheGoodDoctor - Thank you so much. I was expecting Pacquiao to whoop *** until I saw Bradley's look coming into the ring, and lots of unsureness on Pacquiao's face when he was missing so much earlier on and getting bulled along the ropes in the mid rounds without firing back. It was much different watching in a loud bar on a huge HD tv (could see everything ) as opposed to at home reviewing a low quality stream (you can't see their faces/body language on it).



@Radam G - A pleasure as always! :)



Also, if people are interested in knowing:



Upon rewatching: Wow, it totally felt like I watched a different fight at the bar the connects by bradley, his success and his momentum seemed clearer when I watched it live. I now change my score 7-5 Pac.



Gave Bradley: 1,4,5, 6, 8



Pacquiao: 2,3,7, 9, 10, 11, 12 (totally didn't remember seeing all those connects from Pacquiao in round 12).



Thanks for all the input people! Gonna put my nose back to the grindstone! :D



Two more things:



- I'm pleased that Roach admitted in an interview that Bradley sat down on his punches and was hurting Manny to the body and that one punch in round 4.

- I think my rescoring still doesn't change how I felt about the good work Bradley had done. If nothing else, rewatching round 6 - a round in which Manny landed 2 jabs, and 2 left hands and Bradley made him miss a lot, beat him to the punch, and countered the hell out of him. If you give Manny this round I will def. think you are biased towards Manny.

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Carmine Cas:

Lol I always found the idea of Malignaggi challenging Mayweather intriguing; Paulie is a well schooled veteran with some speed, he could give Floyd some problems early but....

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Carmine Cas:

I like breaking the bones lol

I also like the jab-hook that Maidana used against Broner

He's got to pump that jab and move to his right.

And Deep made a great point about consulting with the ref prior to the bout regarding the forearm.

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The Shadow:

"Nope. I don't believe. You never know with Paulie, every time I pick him to lose he wins, and every time I think he will win he loses. I think Porter will rush in and land enough good shots to win on Saturday. I am looking forward to kicking back and watching this tripleheader, whoever wins or loses. I just want to see three good fights. Maybe one great one."



Magic Malignaggi will make you a believer, my good man! Not saying the missile launched from the hip works against Porter, though Paulie probably pepper Porter with power shots till he crumbles, but against Floyd, it will mark the beginning of a new era.

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The Shadow:

"Paulie, like so many times, will be jobbed in an ugly affair. Holla!"

If anyone can give him trouble, it's Magic Malignaggi. Just look what he did to those two slicksters.

And Paule has been known to pounce on that style in gyms all over America.

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Radam G:

Paulie, like so many times, will be jobbed in an ugly affair. Holla!

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the Roast:

"Roast, who are you to doubt the rocket launcher? You don't believe?"

Nope. I don't believe. You never know with Paulie, every time I pick him to lose he wins, and every time I think he will win he loses. I think Porter will rush in and land enough good shots to win on Saturday. I am looking forward to kicking back and watching this tripleheader, whoever wins or loses. I just want to see three good fights. Maybe one great one.

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Radam G:

"It is the referee's job to enforce the rules. Subtle filth is an accepted and admired form of pugilism. So it has been said by master pugilists themselves.

*sniff sniff*

I smell the stench of hate.

Ali was just as dirty with them bows and grabbing necks like they were chicken legs.

Larry Holmes grabs necks, too, as taught by Smashius Clay.

Mike Tyson, as champion, threw blatant elbows whenever he could. His objective was KILL! "I fear him not even a little bit."

Bernard Hopkins? We already know.

Marvin Hagler would kick you if he could.

Sugar Ray was more like Pepper Ray. He was vicious and would cheat too.

Andre Ward proudly boasts doing elbows, noting that you're doing "what you're supposed to do."

It's within the confines of the sweet science and the science, indeed, is sweet!

As a fighter, you know this and you know this better than I!

*sniff*"


That was so nice that it came twice and I read it thrice. Holla!

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The Shadow:

It is the referee's job to enforce the rules. Subtle filth is an accepted and admired form of pugilism. So it has been said by master pugilists themselves.

*sniff sniff*

I smell the stench of hate.

Ali was just as dirty with them bows and grabbing necks like they were chicken legs.

Larry Holmes grabs necks, too, as taught by Smashius Clay.

Mike Tyson, as champion, threw blatant elbows whenever he could. His objective was KILL! "I fear him not even a little bit."

Bernard Hopkins? We already know.

Marvin Hagler would kick you if he could.

Sugar Ray was more like Pepper Ray. He was vicious and would cheat too.

Andre Ward proudly boasts doing elbows, noting that you're doing "what you're supposed to do."

It's within the confines of the sweet science and the science, indeed, is sweet!

As a fighter, you know this and you know this better than I!

*sniff*

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The Shadow:

It is the referee's job to enforce the rules. Subtle filth is an accepted and admired form of pugilism. So it has been said by master pugilists themselves.



*sniff sniff*



I smell the stench of hate.



Ali was just as dirty with them bows and grabbing necks like they were chicken legs.



Larry Holmes grabs necks, too, as taught by Smashius Clay.



Mike Tyson, as champion, threw blatant elbows whenever he could. His objective was KILL! "I fear him not even a little bit."



Bernard Hopkins? We already know.



Marvin Hagler would kick you if he could.



Sugar Ray was more like Pepper Ray. He was vicious and would cheat too.



Andre Ward proudly boasts doing elbows, noting that you're doing "what you're supposed to do."



It's within the confines of the sweet science and the science, indeed, is sweet!



As a fighter, you know this and you know this better than I!



*sniff*

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deepwater2:

Vada testing for everyone !

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deepwater2:

"Lol Shadow, Paulie and Floyd together in the ring couldnt generate enough kenetic energy to create static electricity.

Its a horrible matchup that reminds me of something very unappealing .....much like an aging John Ruiz vs an aging James Toney or Qes Oquendo (sic).

They would probably do more jaw-boning than fighting.



Floyd: " Come'n, Lemme see the jab"

Paulie: "Ima show you a lot more than my jab if I catch you with my side piece"

Floyd: "you see these trunks?... had these made in Italy".

Paulie: "Yeah, my Great Gran lives in Italy, you should try her lasagna"



The mental image of those two in the ring together could drive me to MMA.



There would be no suspense, no danger of a KO, or anticipation of someone getting hurt.

Just a lot of nodding and positive affirmations... And if your lucky ...you may get a chance to watch them playing basketball against each other after the fight."




Kinetic to static is the post of the day .

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Radam G:

Misterlee gave The Shadow some of that stuff that he was smoking about Bradley having beat Da Manny. Some M-side meth. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"Are you smoking weed tonight the Shadow?"

Roast, who are you to doubt the rocket launcher? You don't believe?

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brownsugar:

Floyd uses the forearm as a spacing tool. He doesn't use it to throw the elbow.. and he rests it on the collar bone with out applying pressure to the esophagus.
It may be illegal but Floyd's use inui moiof the elbow is so utilitarian and clinical looking that it looks like an official tactic from the Marcus & Queensbury rulebook.

The elbow creates space so Floyd can generate offense against crowding fighters and it has the extra added bonus of keeping heads from clashing.... How often is Floyd the recipient of a head butt?

Even if the ref didn't allow it ... The move isn't critical to his offence.

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The Shadow:

"Are you smoking weed tonight the Shadow?"

Ha! No, sir! No spliff. I'm getting my roast on.

Magic Malignaggi.

The new king of boxing.

#TNKOB

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the Roast:

Are you smoking weed tonight the Shadow?

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The Shadow:

"Floyd "Elbow" Mayweather Jr. - YouTube
► 1:19► 1:19
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_Zal_uEV4

. that's a forearm ..."


Meh. Who cares. Malignaggi beats them both. #TNKOB

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The Shadow:

"Lol Shadow, Paulie and Floyd together in the ring couldnt generate enough kenetic energy to create static electricity.
Its a horrible matchup that reminds me of something very unappealing .....much like an aging John Ruiz vs an aging James Toney or Qes Oquendo (sic).
They would probably do more jaw-boning than fighting.

Floyd: " Come'n, Lemme see the jab"
Paulie: "Ima show you a lot more than my jab if I catch you with my side piece"
Floyd: "you see these trunks?... had these made in Italy".
Paulie: "Yeah, my Great Gran lives in Italy, you should try her lasagna"

The mental image of those two in the ring together could drive me to MMA.

There would be no suspense, no danger of a KO, or anticipation of someone getting hurt.
Just a lot of nodding and positive affirmations... And if your lucky ...you may get a chance to watch them playing basketball against each other after the fight."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG!!!!

Pure brilliance!

That said, Sugar, there will be plenty of violence.

The missile right hand -- launched from the hip, mind you -- will detonate, rendering Money Mayweather unconscious upon impact.

As Floyd wakes up, he will see just a blur as the Great Depression kicks in.

What will stand vividly clear through this blur, however, is what Floyd's laser enhanced eyes will see:

Paulie leaving the MGM Grand with Miss Jackson. OH! I am FUH-REEEAL!

Remember Mark Wahlberg's crew? NKOTB? And Dirty Dawg?

Well, there will be only one Dirty Dawg after this battle has commenced and that is TNKOB.

Magic Malignaggi.

The new king of boxing.

#TNKOB

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deepwater2:

Floyd "Elbow" Mayweather Jr. - YouTube
► 1:19► 1:19
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV_Zal_uEV4

. that's a forearm ...

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brownsugar:

Lol Shadow, Paulie and Floyd together in the ring couldnt generate enough kenetic energy to create static electricity.
Its a horrible matchup that reminds me of something very unappealing .....much like an aging John Ruiz vs an aging James Toney or Qes Oquendo (sic).
They would probably do more jaw-boning than fighting.

Floyd: " Come'n, Lemme see the jab"
Paulie: "Ima show you a lot more than my jab if I catch you with my side piece"
Floyd: "you see these trunks?... had these made in Italy".
Paulie: "Yeah, my Great Gran lives in Italy, you should try her lasagna"

The mental image of those two in the ring together could drive me to MMA.

There would be no suspense, no danger of a KO, or anticipation of someone getting hurt.
Just a lot of nodding and positive affirmations... And if your lucky ...you may get a chance to watch them playing basketball against each other after the fight.

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deepwater2:

Have a meeting with the ref and the commission and warn them about Floyd's forearm shiver . Have one guy in chinos team bother the ref every round complaining about Floyd's forearm . If the ref calls points against Floyd the whole game might change. Floyd took the Philly shell and modified it with that forearm push off . Chino has a small chance, hope he can pull it off. Re watch hatton vs Floyd and count the number of illegal forearms . It might surprise you.

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The Shadow:

"Shadow are you messing around???

U say Paulie would KO floyd but porter is gonna beat him this weekend??"


Sorry if I was unclear. Porter is a live dog but a DOG nonetheless. Experience and style will make the difference, as I see it.

The verdict?

Paulie proudly prevails. Probably...

And that could se up a unification fight for all the marbles in the fall against whoever wins May 3rd.

WBA, WBC, IBF, NFBA -- no fringe belts allowed -- and The Ring titles will be at stake.

As it has been spoken, so shall it be.

Launched from the hip like a missile, M&M will declare war and set off the next Great Depression.

Magic Malignaggi.

The new king of boxing.

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deepwater2:

This topic was a good laugh after a hard day at the gym and work. Paulie was lucky to have beat cano. Paulie beat Broner but Broner is way over rated. I wonder if Broner was able to knockdown the grandma he cold clocked when he grabbed her purse.Porter should out hustle Paulie but let's see . Hopkins might not win this weekend. Styles make fights . BS doesn't have a huge work rate and is a smart counter puncher . He might be ready for Hopkins rough tactics . I wonder what the money line is. As far as kid chocolate I had n dam ahead despite the 6 knockdowns. Good card. I'll catch it because it's not ppv. Hope Paulie ,Hopkins kid c win. I would bet porter ,kid c , BS.

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Skibbz:

"That's all he can really do. 120 punches a round? PRE-POSTEROUS! He tries that, he'll be knock out by the sixth round a la Jesus Chavez, Mayweather's biggest fan.

Hit some joints and hope Fragile Floyd gets injured.

You ever thought about being a trainer, Skibbz?"


Never to be honest, although one day I hope to build a boxing gym in the area I grew up in. Might start teaching some youngs pugs a few things but that wouldn't happen any time soon!

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Skibbz:

"Like I said on another post, what worked against Alexander is that mental pressure he put on him through his aggression. That type of stuff tends to make Alexander fall apart, kinda like he did vs. Badley.

Paulie, however, is used to that and can fight through that type of pressure. He's been in there with a virile, undefeated Cotto and the British Bulldog and champion Ricky Hatton.

And lets face it. Hatton's pressure is sicker than Bradley's and Porter's put together.

I think Paulie will surprise us with his skill yet again. He's in a good mental place right now and that's extremely important for a boxer.

I'm not counting out Porter, though.

The other two fights?

I say Quillin but I have no basis for saying that as I haven't seen the other fella. Just doubt they would bring over an unknown world beater that stands a chance upsetting the apple cart.

The main event? Believe it or not, I have Hopkins by TKO (though the most likely outcome is a UD12). I actually had a vivid dream the other day where Hopkins won by TKO in the first round. I can still remember the set-up, the knockdown and the referee intervention.

While a TKO1 would be naive, seeing as "The Welterweight Slayer" hasn't had a KO in 10 years, I do think he can get it done this time.

He may not have had stoppages in generations but he did floor Antonio Tarver, put Coca Calzaghe on his azz, buzzed Pavlik a few times, "scored" two uncredited knockdowns vs. Pascal and, for a ultra-brief spell, had Kayo Murat out on his feet.

So the man can still do some damage. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Hopkins TKO."


Yeah but Paulie got battered pillar to post vs Hatton. It was sad to watch at times. Porter is a good boxer, his am record is solid and he's not done so bad in the pro's. He's got a serious engine and built like an ox. This fight will prove to us whether or not Paulie still has it. Should he be the matador this weekend, he still loses to Brook. If he get's torn up by the Cleveland bull, then he's going to be in an uncomfortable spot.

Interesting but I don't think he needs to follow a TKO route or a KO. Beibut has flaws that are very exploitable especially if you're Bernard.

His unorthodox defence makes him easy to hit, his inability to fight on the back foot is another weakness of his. He loads up his shots, so he can get unbalanced if you slip and counter effectively.

And he should have more than 1 loss on his record. Campillo was robbed in their second bout, two of the judges were blind or forgot how to score a fight. Unfortunately for Gabs, he lost a few more times after that night and is now assuming his role as gatekeeper of the division. Those who beat him earn the a shot a title. I recommend watching both fights, especially the second if you haven't before. Beibut is not Kazakh nightmare.

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amayseng:

Shadow are you messing around???

U say Paulie would KO floyd but porter is gonna beat him this weekend??

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The Shadow:

"Well Garcia didn't give much away. I don't see Maidana throwing anything close to 120 a round, but let's hope he close to that kinda shape by fight night.



If I were in Robert's shoes, I'd tell Chino to make it every bit that ugly spectacle Floyd hates to be a part of. That'll ruffle some of his feathers and hopefully make him more aggressive. When he's being more aggressive my guy just may have more of a shot than when Floyd is sitting and countering. Last thing Maidana should attempt to do is sit with Floyd, he should just be himself in great shape and go for it. Give him looks, don't get complacent and aim for his joints start trying to break some bones if you can't hit his head."




That's all he can really do. 120 punches a round? PRE-POSTEROUS! He tries that, he'll be knock out by the sixth round a la Jesus Chavez, Mayweather's biggest fan.



Hit some joints and hope Fragile Floyd gets injured.



You ever thought about being a trainer, Skibbz?

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