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amayseng:

In no way do I want to miss out on fights, I am just asking for competition to lower the ridiculous 75$ ppv prices..

OF course I am a die hard boxing fanatic.

However, I am a parent first, middle class and raise a son without anyone throwing me a bone........So I am picky with my ppv purchases......

I try to be sensible and limit myself, I hate to waste money even if I have it.

A few years back, or maybe a year ago there was a GGG ppv on a european card with some decent fights for like 25$, I bought that event in a second.

Sure with higher level fighters you need more revenue to pay a stacked card, but with so many ppv's this year and high prices, in a crap economy I have to be picky.

So yes I am asking for some lowered prices, one way or another.

I would be happy to get something like Boxnation here in the states..

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The Shadow:

"Where do I begin?

My main point is tsAH will not save boxing. Boxing will survive like it always has.

Other points:

1) Vince Mcmahon is a great businessman and he monopolized WWF/WWE.

Do you really want professional boxing monopolized by one person?

2) Most wrestling fans think that the WWE is watered down and boring compared to what it once was due to VM taking over and forcing it into a monopoly.

3) The WWE is losing money and its business model is failing.

Recent example from business insider:

'Things are looking grim for World Wrestling Entertainment and its money-losing streaming video service, the WWE Network.

In a sign of how hard the company is working to sign up new subscribers, the WWE announced Monday it will once again offer a one-week free trial to anyone who wants it.

The offer, which doesn't even require people to provide a credit card number, is one of several recent indicators that the company isn't getting much closer to the 1.4 million global subscribers it needs to make the WWE Network profitable.

The WWE Network gives fans access to the WWE's monthly special events — which were previously available only on pay-per-view for a price of ~$55 each — as well as old wrestling shows and new wrestling-related programming.

The bad news for the company started in April, when it announced the WWE Network had only 667,000 subscribers after telling investors the service could have as many as 2 million subscribers by the end of the year.

The following month, it released an adjusted business outlook that said the network would lose the company $50 million this year if subscription rates did not increase. That news, combined with a disappointing new TV rights contract, caused company stock to crash so badly that CEO and chairman Vince McMahon lost a third of his fortune in one day. "


- Giving away free subscriptions might be a bad sign for Showtime when looking at this bit of info.? A good product sells itself it does not need incentives.

-No wonder the PPV numbers that were leaked were way inflated.

4)Monopolies don't tend to work over periods of time,the free market usually breaks them up.

5) We have been getting a taste of terrible matchups on Showtime, including the undercard of Floyd's fight. If this is asign of how boxing will improve it better self destruct as soon as possible.

6)The cold war is coming to an end so instead of rooting for tsAH lets root for the great fights.

This can go on but its already took up too much space."


Appreciate the input. We can agree to disagree and just allow it to play out. As for Vince, he became a billionaire and revolutionized the industry.

The figures you refer to are the ones from the recently launched WWE Network, which is still in its transitioning period. One of the key things with something like this is re-educating the consumer into a different format of consumption.

Before we had billion dollar internet IPOs like Alibaba, Facebook and Twitter, we had the dot-com bubble burst a few years prior.

Vince knows what he's doing.

But no matter what, there is one key element that cannot be up for contention: Al Haymon investing in excess in $20 million just to bring back boxing to a national audience is something NO ONE else is doing.

Whether he's airing squash matches or main events, he's investing big bucks into bringing it back to mass audience -- something the suits aren't willing to do.

FWIW, this was the same strategy McMahon employed back in the '80s before everything eventually took off.

Lastly, the Cold War isn't ending; it's just getting started. Unfortunately. I'm rooting for boxing.

It will always live. But he will take it to another level of prominence. I'm telling you.

But like I said, we can agree to disagree and just wait and see how everything else plays out.

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deepwater2:

Where do I begin?



My main point is tsAH will not save boxing. Boxing will survive like it always has.



Other points:



1) Vince Mcmahon is a great businessman and he monopolized WWF/WWE.



Do you really want professional boxing monopolized by one person?



2) Most wrestling fans think that the WWE is watered down and boring compared to what it once was due to VM taking over and forcing it into a monopoly.



3) The WWE is losing money and its business model is failing.



Recent example from business insider:



'Things are looking grim for World Wrestling Entertainment and its money-losing streaming video service, the WWE Network.



In a sign of how hard the company is working to sign up new subscribers, the WWE announced Monday it will once again offer a one-week free trial to anyone who wants it.



The offer, which doesn't even require people to provide a credit card number, is one of several recent indicators that the company isn't getting much closer to the 1.4 million global subscribers it needs to make the WWE Network profitable.



The WWE Network gives fans access to the WWE's monthly special events - which were previously available only on pay-per-view for a price of ~$55 each - as well as old wrestling shows and new wrestling-related programming.



The bad news for the company started in April, when it announced the WWE Network had only 667,000 subscribers after telling investors the service could have as many as 2 million subscribers by the end of the year.



The following month, it released an adjusted business outlook that said the network would lose the company $50 million this year if subscription rates did not increase. That news, combined with a disappointing new TV rights contract, caused company stock to crash so badly that CEO and chairman Vince McMahon lost a third of his fortune in one day. "





- Giving away free subscriptions might be a bad sign for Showtime when looking at this bit of info.? A good product sells itself it does not need incentives.



-No wonder the PPV numbers that were leaked were way inflated.



4)Monopolies don't tend to work over periods of time,the free market usually breaks them up.



5) We have been getting a taste of terrible matchups on Showtime, including the undercard of Floyd's fight. If this is asign of how boxing will improve it better self destruct as soon as possible.



6)The cold war is coming to an end so instead of rooting for tsAH lets root for the great fights.



This can go on but its already took up too much space.

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Radam G:

L-Hazz did it a few times too many. He was the commission, not the referee. Hopping over ropes was overkill, meddling and very unprofessional IMHO. L-Hazz is a showoff and a hotdog who to be the exclusive one. Sorry, but I'm one of a million that never dug his style and stayed away from New Jersey doing his days. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Through all his antics, Ali never once acted the way Adrien Broner acts, never dropped "F-Bombs" on TV and never told opponents he made it with their ex-girlfriend.

Yeah, you don't have to tell me about Ali's extra-curricular activities and his four wives. I know all about that. I'm talking aboput the man the public saw, the man I know personally and have been with as he visited schools, hospitals, orphanages and rehab centers.

Ali was a person with flaws, but who doesn't have flaws. With Ali, the good, the caring, the passion and the love far outweigh the flaws.

A young Ali today would be, far and away, the most popular person on Earth.

-Randy G."


DITTO! I'm riding shotgun with cha! Holla!

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Radam G:

"Ortiz did more one-punch damage than Judah. So did Corley. And Carlos Hernandez.

He has an very, very good if not great chin and excellent recuperative abilities."


Ninety percent of all time greats do have great chins and excellent recuperative abilities. Money May is definitely in the league with GOAT Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey and Hector "Macho Time" Camacho, just to name few.

No matter how the haters crush on him, he is walker on water for da game. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Al Haymon's going to save boxing, bro. And Dino Da Vinci.

In the very near future, barring sabotage, you will see a uniform league, unions, a pension plan for fighters, drug testing and increased safety.

To answer your question: History is repeating itself all over again.

There's a reason for all these mass signings. The more assets you have, the more capital you can raise. The more capital you can raise, the more power you have.

Al Haymon, by far, has the most assets in boxing.

And to address your point again, he's turning the business model upside down.

Instead of one promoter controlling the direction -- and the financial fate -- of a handful of managers who in turn control the fate of a handful of fighters, this manager now controls the promoters and EVERYTHING must go through him.

All these traditionalist, change-resistant, roody poo promoters, managers and organizations are just struggling to conform, struggling to innovate and are panicking so they can protect their interests.

This happened in the '80s. History is repeating itself all over again.

Back then, these old farts were upset with young hotshot promoter Vince McMahon, who wanted to defy an unwritte rules -- not unlike the unwritten rule that in boxing, the fighters are the hoes or track horses (just being honest) -- in order to build his empire.

He tried to work with them but they were disgusted with his audacity, upset with his lack of disregard for some invisible, mythical pecking order the old timers arrogantly thought existed.

Refusing to get with the program, these guys then got into a room to conspire against McMahon. "And the only thing they could agree on was that they hated my guts," he said.

So McMahon carried on as usual, signed all their talent to better deals and eventually ran them all out of business.

It's the EXACT same thing that played out in the '80s. Just ask Randy, he was there. And he knows McMahon. (Who's far more ruthless than Haymon, by the way.)

In the business of boxing, before, the guys in charged used the fighters. Now the guy in power works with the fighters. That's the difference.

Haymon is preventing these guys from exploiting fighters and this is why they hate him. It's like when you empower a prostitute so the pimp can no longer use her.

I once had a friend who was a prostitute (which she didn't tell me initially). She wanted to be a model -- isn't that always how it starts? -- but got caught up with a pimp in Vegas.

I felt really bad for her, she was only 19 and not particularly bright. So I told her she could come out to Miami, get a fresh start, stay with me for a few weeks and see if she could find work.

So her behavior started to change because she wasn't as easy to deal with. So he beat her and then convinced her that I was a cop trying to set her up. (Which is crazy because she saw my press pass with my name and my European passport.)

Then he took her phone, deleted all contacts. Never heard from her again.

In a way, I can't blame him. I was breaking "pimp code," trying to help someone he felt deserved none.

His reaction, while understandable, still doesn't make it right. And that's the same type of mentality I see with these promoters a lot of time.

Of course, those who have profited off this off shoot of slavery are scattering about, trying to maintain the status quo while somehow trying to convince people that a myriad of promoters benefit the sports when anyone in a true, honest moment can see that it doesn't.

It's the current state of affairs that prevent mass regulation, ranking and matchmaking to take place in the first place!

Gotta look at the big picture here.

If you're a fan of boxing, not only should you applaud Haymon, you should root for him.

But to summarize, you're right. He's going to put his 120+ business partners to work."


I don't buy it. tsAH is going to fade to darkness or die like all the pass saviors.

Bananas were saved. Boksing is like them -- crooked as a mutha -- and will remain so. No saviors or prophet or change allowed. Holla!

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Radam G:

He is going to ignore them and keep doing it. It is not as bad as it is in a lot of kick-arse gyms.

In those gyms, you go through the "chain." Meaning until you whup them, or they whup you, you keep sparring a round with every pug from fly to heavy.

Nowadays it would be from pinweight to super heavyweight, depending on if you play all these pseudo-weight divisions. Original old skool divisions are eight. New Jack jive division are about 18 to 22, depending on which alphabet-sanctioning organization that you are strolling and rolling with. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Canelo can order all he wants, it doesn't make a difference. HBO has no say in the decision to go on Cinco, PPV industry does. And Floyd Mayweather has that date booked.

If Floyd is going in May, do you really think they would run head-to-head shows with Mayweather?

Doesn't take a genius to guess who they will feature."


This is a terrific move by HBO. In Canelo they have a young, attractive draw who has years and plenty of exciting matchups and possibilities in front of him.

With Golden Boy and Top Rank now on more than speaking terms, HBO's Ken Hershmann will have much to smile about in 2015.

-Randy G.

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SouthPawFlo:

Good to See Oscar back to work and making big deals.....







I still don't think it's a good move to "threaten" to challenge Floyd on PPV, the last time HBO/Sho time challenged each other on the same night was when Canelo/Lopez were on the Same night as Martinez/Chavez and both of them lost out......





Canelo is a PPV star that can't be taken away from him, but his two PPV's in 2013 didn't add up to 1 Mayweather PPV...

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riverside:

"Canelo can order all he wants, it doesn't make a difference. HBO has no say in the decision to go on Cinco, PPV industry does. And Floyd Mayweather has that date booked.

If Floyd is going in May, do you really think they would run head-to-head shows with Mayweather?

Doesn't take a genius to guess who they will feature."

shadow, maybe you can shed some info, I hear the MGM may date is commited to Golden Boy not Little Floyd? also what dance partner will Floyd pick? to compete with Canelo on the same day? The May date is in for Canelo with the mexican holiday,and they are giving Floyd the shaft. I can't see Oscar matching one of his promoted fighters ( Khan ) on the same day. Same with Arum, if and I say if? Floyd changes heart and want to fight Manny on May date, I don't think Arum will go for the may date. Al Haymon is gonna have to do some real homework, and figure this one out,. Showtime is gonna be double thinking and pondering al Haymon's theory,of his fighters come first at all cost, even if showtime is not keeping his customers happy. Espinoza might be asking Al haymon for a job pretty soon.

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The Commish:

"Is anyone in da know or in the loop of the poop surprised?



The NSAC was just grandstanding and bulljiving. They knew that they were not going to do Jack or Jill or climb up a molehill.



Messing with Money May, they just wanted to get their fill. They ought to grow up da double fudge up and find some other type of thrill. Holla!"




With fighters bashing each other for 31 minutes non-stop, no medical support nearby & gambling taking place on the match, I had figured some form of sanction against Mayweather or Mayweather Promotions would take place.



Then I woke up. This is Sin City we're talking about. This is the Money Machine who packs hotels and casinos every time he fights. He is going to have to do a lot more than this to have the NSAC hit him with fines and/or suspensions.



Bad boy. Don't do that again. Now go outside and play nice with your friends.



-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

Canelo can order all he wants, it doesn't make a difference. HBO has no say in the decision to go on Cinco, PPV industry does. And Floyd Mayweather has that date booked.

If Floyd is going in May, do you really think they would run head-to-head shows with Mayweather?

Doesn't take a genius to guess who they will feature.

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The Shadow:

"Hey Shadow....
I hear tsAH is putting his stable of 120+ fighters to work by having them matched on CBS who is producing a new boxing series in 2015.

I guess its the next logical move... Do you know if there is any truth to it?"


Al Haymon's going to save boxing, bro. And Dino Da Vinci.

In the very near future, barring sabotage, you will see a uniform league, unions, a pension plan for fighters, drug testing and increased safety.

To answer your question: History is repeating itself all over again.

There's a reason for all these mass signings. The more assets you have, the more capital you can raise. The more capital you can raise, the more power you have.

Al Haymon, by far, has the most assets in boxing.

And to address your point again, he's turning the business model upside down.

Instead of one promoter controlling the direction -- and the financial fate -- of a handful of managers who in turn control the fate of a handful of fighters, this manager now controls the promoters and EVERYTHING must go through him.

All these traditionalist, change-resistant, roody poo promoters, managers and organizations are just struggling to conform, struggling to innovate and are panicking so they can protect their interests.

This happened in the '80s. History is repeating itself all over again.

Back then, these old farts were upset with young hotshot promoter Vince McMahon, who wanted to defy an unwritte rules -- not unlike the unwritten rule that in boxing, the fighters are the hoes or track horses (just being honest) -- in order to build his empire.

He tried to work with them but they were disgusted with his audacity, upset with his lack of disregard for some invisible, mythical pecking order the old timers arrogantly thought existed.

Refusing to get with the program, these guys then got into a room to conspire against McMahon. "And the only thing they could agree on was that they hated my guts," he said.

So McMahon carried on as usual, signed all their talent to better deals and eventually ran them all out of business.

It's the EXACT same thing that played out in the '80s. Just ask Randy, he was there. And he knows McMahon. (Who's far more ruthless than Haymon, by the way.)

In the business of boxing, before, the guys in charged used the fighters. Now the guy in power works with the fighters. That's the difference.

Haymon is preventing these guys from exploiting fighters and this is why they hate him. It's like when you empower a prostitute so the pimp can no longer use her.

I once had a friend who was a prostitute (which she didn't tell me initially). She wanted to be a model -- isn't that always how it starts? -- but got caught up with a pimp in Vegas.

I felt really bad for her, she was only 19 and not particularly bright. So I told her she could come out to Miami, get a fresh start, stay with me for a few weeks and see if she could find work.

So her behavior started to change because she wasn't as easy to deal with. So he beat her and then convinced her that I was a cop trying to set her up. (Which is crazy because she saw my press pass with my name and my European passport.)

Then he took her phone, deleted all contacts. Never heard from her again.

In a way, I can't blame him. I was breaking "pimp code," trying to help someone he felt deserved none.

His reaction, while understandable, still doesn't make it right. And that's the same type of mentality I see with these promoters a lot of time.

Of course, those who have profited off this off shoot of slavery are scattering about, trying to maintain the status quo while somehow trying to convince people that a myriad of promoters benefit the sports when anyone in a true, honest moment can see that it doesn't.

It's the current state of affairs that prevent mass regulation, ranking and matchmaking to take place in the first place!

Gotta look at the big picture here.

If you're a fan of boxing, not only should you applaud Haymon, you should root for him.

But to summarize, you're right. He's going to put his 120+ business partners to work.

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Radam G:

When this so-called "Cold War" started, I told four-eyed Ernest Joe and ev'ybodee and dey momma what da haps were go to be: "SHO is full of syet, and is gonna get its arse handle and handed to it."

Has anyone ever broke down "Nostradamus?" DO IT, and you will SEE "radam" all up in the midsection of it. Hehe! Nost/RADAM/us. My predictions on type of jive and syet have creep up to 92 percent with the year closing out. Holla!

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amayseng:

I love it. Canelo has fire and wants to excite and put on good shows, not just snake a paycheck.

I have been saying Canelo needs an exciting fight head to head same night as Floyd's next one for 15$ less.

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Radam G:

Is anyone in da know or in the loop of the poop surprised?

The NSAC was just grandstanding and bulljiving. They knew that they were not going to do Jack or Jill or climb up a molehill.

Messing with Money May, they just wanted to get their fill. They ought to grow up da double fudge up and find some other type of thrill. Holla!

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the Roast:

Surprised to hear Kirkland take a pass on fighting Canelo. Good opportunity and good paycheck you would think.

That is a double bill I will enjoy sitting down to watch in December.

Clottey could make it a good fight if he lets the hands go. He did give Cotto a hard time years back. I still think Alvarez will win big setting up a PPV worthy Cotto fight.

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The Shadow:

"Because people don't like to get lied to and when people smell BS they want to know the truth. When this thread started, Shadow you were more then enthusiastic about talking about Showtime subscriptions and the financials, now when certain facts come out you say we should worry less about counting strangers money. You can't have it both ways my friend.

The main thing is Showtime is losing money because they are putting on crap tune-up fights because of tsAH."




Exactly, and the one telling the lies is Bob Arum. Showtime never released anything, Chris Mannix and Kevin Iole did, two guys who are well-connected and well-respected.



I hear ya re: financials but what I did was discuss the information presented by those reports.



And I do of course speak about the business aspect often, yes, because there are a lot of misconceptions out there.



But what I meant was that I think that the discussion sometimes goes off track. Why do we start counting another man's money?



Outside of that, why do people even care if SHO is losing money or not? Why does it matter to people?



I don't particularly care whether it's bad deal or not, I just like the fact that Floyd is active.



Another thing: SHO and Mayweather aren't forcing anyone to watch so I don't understand why anyone would complain about it. If the price tag is too high for some people, just vote with your wallet.



And again, you bring up a valid point regarding lies.



Arum himself has said (according to reports) that the media is like a dumb rock that you just kick around in any direction you want because they will believe anything you say.



I think we should focus more on that and call him out on it. Maybe then will we get The Fight because both fighters want it and want it badly.



He's not having negotiations with anyone and it's a shame that he has to tease the public. Rather than focusing on some random, unaffiliated, agenda-driven dude's speculation over the reports of respected, award-winning journalists.

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deepwater2:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.



It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.



Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.



If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.



One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.



What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.



That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.



Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.



You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.



Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.



Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.



I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."




Because people don't like to get lied to and when people smell BS they want to know the truth. When this thread started, Shadow you were more then enthusiastic about talking about Showtime subscriptions and the financials, now when certain facts come out you say we should worry less about counting strangers money. You can't have it both ways my friend.

The main thing is Showtime is losing money because they are putting on crap tune-up fights because of tsAH.

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deepwater2:

"Wow some of you pundits said it would happen. Canelo will be competing Head to Head with Floyd with Oscar's blessing and HBO's helping hand to make sure it happens.....Competition is good in any capitolist venture.

The fans should be glad as this move will force "somebody" to come strong or stay at home.

Lol....Oscar says he was "ordered" to make the move."




Yup. It was just a matter of time. HBO is looking good.

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brownsugar:

Wow some of you pundits said it would happen. Canelo will be competing Head to Head with Floyd with Oscar's blessing and HBO's helping hand to make sure it happens.....Competition is good in any capitolist venture.
The fans should be glad as this move will force "somebody" to come strong or stay at home.
Lol....Oscar says he was "ordered" to make the move.

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brownsugar:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.



It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.



Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.



If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.



One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.



What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.



That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.



Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.



You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.



Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.



Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.



I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."




Hey Shadow....

I hear tsAH is putting his stable of 120+ fighters to work by having them matched on CBS who is producing a new boxing series in 2015.



I guess its the next logical move... Do you know if there is any truth to it?

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The Commish:

"Roast, Oscar is working in making the fight early december in San Antoinio( or it's a done deal), from, what I hear, surprisingly Kirkland turn down the fight vs Canelo, Now they are going with Clottey. in the Undercard they are working on Humberto Soto vs Mauricio Herrera, hopefully oscar can add another fight to the show. I'm sure HBO is motivated to get back Golden Boy, put on some good shows, and put some buisness harm on rival showtime."

This is a super great opportunity for powerhouse HBO to put a major hurting on Showtime, which has nopt had a spectacular 2014 (low-lighted by the Danny Garcia-Rod Salka main event!).

I think Joshua Clottey will give Canelo Alvarez plenty of competition, especially if he lets his hands go and doesn't go into his"turtle" defense. To me, I think Alvarez is a bit overrated. Obviously, though, a Cotto-Alvarez fight is what HBO, Top Rank & Golden Boy is pulling for in early 2015.

Somehow,Cotto-Clottey just doesn't make it (Cotto beat Clottey on a split decision around six years ago), unless, of course, Clottey overwhelms and beats the mess out of Alvarez. The undercard, with Soto v Herrera, makes the card a very interesting one.

You know, the more I'm thinking about Clottey, the more I like his chances. I believe he's training around here. I've gotta' take a look at him in the gym and see for myself.

Also, as theRoast points out, it's not a PPV event. Imagine that!

-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.

It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.

Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.

If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.

One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.

What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.

That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.

Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.

You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.

Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.

Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.

I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."


That's the art of matchmaking my friend. It will always be that way. Why would you give your pie to another man? Silly...

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riverside:

"I read that Oscar is about to announce Canelo-Clottey to fight on HBO. Clottey is a tough guy but Canelo should win impressively. Does the fight being on HBO signal Cotto vs Canelo early next year? Sure looks that way to me."

Roast, Oscar is working in making the fight early december in San Antoinio( or it's a done deal), from, what I hear, surprisingly Kirkland turn down the fight vs Canelo, Now they are going with Clottey. in the Undercard they are working on Humberto Soto vs Mauricio Herrera, hopefully oscar can add another fight to the show. I'm sure HBO is motivated to get back Golden Boy, put on some good shows, and put some buisness harm on rival showtime.

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Kid Blast:

Pac by easy UD. Might even wax him. The kid's strengths (movement and stamina) are also Pac's strengths.

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thegreyman:

For those of you saying C-Al's jab will be a game changer- what makes you so convinced?

His jab in the Provodnikov fight was terrible- pumped out halfway with no snap or pop; more of a light push than a jab. He doesn't know how to step in on it either.

If he had a good jab then Provodnikov should have been seriously marked up by it. The Siberian Rocky holds his hands low, walks you down in a straight line, uses no angles from the outside and is generally extremely susceptible to a good jab. You might say that Provodnikov, not being the sharpest of scientific boxers, and with such short arms, would be a perfect target for a good Algieri jab.

Then you remember that it doesn't exist.

We've yet to see any evidence of decent footwork from Algieri- he's very bouncy, but is he evasive when under effective pressure from an 8 division world champ boxer puncher?

I'm not convinced... Somebody tell me what I'm missing so I can have some hope for this guy.

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the Roast:

I agree that is the best part, Alvarez-Clottey will not be PPV. It's not worthy of being on PPV put that usually doesn't stop the greedy promoters. It is bad for boxing for the stars to put every one of their fights on PPV like Floyd and Manny do.

Everyone on here that complained about the boring Floyd PPV should take a stand and not buy them anymore. Did you really miss anything? Nope.

Too many PPV's and too expensive.

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thegreyman:

"I smell something after reading that post and it doesn't smell good.



It's one thing to say CA might jab and move,score some points,win some rounds and has a legit chance but to say he is going to be dancing over a knocked out Pac, that prediction has pharmaceuticals involved!"




hahahahahaahahahah bravo

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