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brownsugar:

I don't think Amayseng has had a shot yet...that'd also be a good pick.

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amayseng:

I am up for it, I actually have some time the first half of August.

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amayseng:

Congrats to The Roast who continues not only with his appreciated humor, but more importantly with pictures of beautiful tennis pros no matter what their world ranking.

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Radam G:

Look what you started, Spit Bucket. Hehe! Nice! Just kidding!

First! Nothing could've help the Quarry boys, Commish. All but one of them suffered from DP. And that oldest brother is a care provider for the youngest bro of the Q-Fam nowadays in Cali. And the late, very good Jerry and Mike are exceptions to the rule. There are not tons of pugs dying in their 50$ from careers of pugilism.

The brain is the reason that the body exists. It is the control center. And adversaries always go for the control center. Though Houdini got sucker punched in the bellies, and not getting immediate help caused his death, there are one-punch body deaths all around the world on da reg. Every week -- somewhere on the planet -- pugs and somebody walking on the main streets are expiring from single punches to somewhere in the torso.

You apparently had Lady Luck with you during your reign as the Empire State boxing commissioner, Commish. Yearly, pugs die from body and/or head damage. And I respect the head trauma studies that you were a part of. But the whole body -- in the cranium and torso -- regenerates from damages. It is just the degree to the brain that you are not satisfied with. But regeneration exists in the human anatomy from head to toe. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Two splendid examples. Weaver-Tate was a little before my time. According to boxrec, Weaver was trailing by 5, 3, and 3 points after 14 rounds. Then boom. Just as Yogi had said, it isn't over until it's over.

I was at Ward-Sanchez. It was on the undercard of De la Hoya-Whitaker. This being Vegas where ringsiders arrive fashionably late, the arena was just starting to fill up.

What I recall is that it was a very short hook to the body and when Sanchez crumbled he had this terrible look of panic on his face. The punch paralyzed him.

My friends, that was a rare sighting of the "solar plexus punch" made famous by Bob Fitzsimmons in 1897. Like poor Jim Corbett, Alfonso Sanchez had a vulnerable spot and Micky Ward just happened to hit the right button. Like you Oubobcat, I was stupefied by this sudden turn of events.

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brownsugar:

Grimm Gibola Dave B. or Storm.

Anyone who hasn't had a crack at it yet

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brownsugar:

Congrats ... You're are as reliable and funny as Johnny Carson. Thanks for your contributions.

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Radam G:

The wildest had to be back in the baby/toddler days. "Big" John Tate was beating the muscles off Hercules-looking Mike Weaver. He had whupped Hercules's arse for 14 rounds and 3/4. And then outta nowhere dat meddling bytch "theatre of the unexpected" shows up wiggling her arse: "KaBOOM! KaZUK! THUD!"

Big John is sleep & snoring. OMG! I thought that he was DEAD! Now that was scary. Holla!

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oubobcat:

I am so glad to hear that this looks to be back on. Fight of the year candidate if it happens, mark my words. Even with the distraction, I still say the much naturally bigger Chaves breaks down Rios in a war. Hopefully we get to see it play out in the ring on Saturday night.

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amayseng:

"HBO and Top Rank tell me Chaves will be present."

Nice! I was worried for a bit this is a great matchup

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Radam G:

"Arum & HBO have a lot of phone numbers and strings. I am sure they called who they had to and pulled the strings they had to.

Welcome to the U.S of A., Mr. Chaves.

-Randy G."


Wow! Mr. Chaves got the book up from a Bobfather's hook up. Now Bam Bam is going to beat Chaves up. Holla!

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oubobcat:

The strangest fight result I ever call and most unexpected ending was the bout between Mickey Ward and Alfonso Sanchez. It was a PPV undercard bout on a De La Hoya headlined card I believe.

This was a few years before Ward started appearing on HBO and before the Gatti fights. At this time, he was known as a good club level fighter who generally made for good fights.

Sanchez was a big time prospect. Ward was brought in by Top Rank to showcase Sanchez and hopefully make Sanchez look really good.

For six rounds, Ward did absolutely nothing. When I say nothing, I mean nothing at all. He was not letting any punches off at all and just covering up and absorbing shots from Sanchez. As a matter of fact, his punch total for round five for example was 7. Not punches landed but punches thrown.

In the 6th round, the referee (Mitch Halpern) was urging Ward at times to fight back and show him something. Halpern was getting very close to the action and seemed ready to stop the fight at any moment. By now, the HBO announcers were ripping Ward for his non effort and begging for the fight to end. The announcers were suggesting strongly the referee stop the fight for lack of effort.

The fight was entirely lopsided entering the 7th and more of the same was occurring. Larry Merchant called for the fight to be stopped and Roy Jones suggested fans get a partial refund on the PPV. About half way through the round, Ward threw his and landed his signature left hook to the body. It was a bit shocking that he threw and landed a punch. Then he got aggressive and landed another left hook to the body that put Sanchez down and out.

It was definitely shocking and unexpected the moment Ward landed the KO shot if you watched the first six rounds like I did live. And something I will never forget. It interesting now to look back every now and then at that fight and the comments about Ward during the fight by the HBO commenting team. The theater of the unexpected in that fight to say the least.

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The Commish:

Arum & HBO have a lot of phone numbers and strings. I am sure they called who they had to and pulled the strings they had to.

Welcome to the U.S of A., Mr. Chaves.

-Randy G.

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Editor Mike:

HBO and Top Rank tell me Chaves will be present. "Well now reports are coming that Chaves may in deed by able to fly to the US. I wonder if Mr. Arum is pulling all the strings he can possibly pull..."

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oubobcat:

Well now reports are coming that Chaves may in deed by able to fly to the US. I wonder if Mr. Arum is pulling all the strings he can possibly pull...

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deepwater2:

I was never off my feet in a match but I had one of my ribs broken during a fight. Some of the worst pain I have ever felt. I lost the match on points and just clinched until the fight was over.



One day in sparring I was showing off and got careless. I got clipped hard by a much heavier guy and went down. It looked like a flash-knockdown but it wasn't. I felt like someone turned off the lights and I was on the floor. I lifted my head and nothing else moved. I tried to move my feet and arms but nothing worked. No feeling. The punch didn't hurt but I had no control of my body. After what felt like 5 minutes, I felt "normal and made it to my feet. We took the rest of the round off. I finished 2 more rounds after that. Everyone said it looked like I was off balance and went down for about 2 seconds and came right back up to my feet. To the people outside the ring it looked like no big deal and I wasn't hurt but to me I was paralyzed for 5 minutes with no control over my body.

The body punch/broken rib was the worst pain I ever felt in a fight. The "flash" knockdown in sparring didn't hurt one bit. I would rather take a broken rib every single time rather then the feeling of being paralyzed. I think a head injury is way worse then any body injury.

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The Commish:

I anticipate finding out this Friday where negotiations between the GGG camp & Quillin camp are. Quillin will be my in-studio guest on SiriusXM from 6-8pm.

We've got a lot to talk about.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Is Awesome a cousin of the noted opponent, Kenny Breathe?

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

"Oscar is just twittering out of his butt, chumming the water, so to speak. In an earlier tweat, he proposed a fight between Golovkin and Peter Quillin. "My Latino brother will do a number on the G Man," he wrote. (Quillin was born in Chicago but is of Cuban descent.)

Putting all four of those guys on the same card would be a bad business move. Considering the purse obligations, the nut would be enormous."


Oscar is definitely talking and tweeting a lot. Its all what the fans want to hear as well. The problem, after all this talking and tweeting so far has gotten us the Garcia-Salka card and a card in September that will feature Adrien Broner and Lucas Matthysse in separate fights and almost assuredly not against anyone in the top 10.

I know Oscar is just getting back in the groove and it will take time for his vision to be seen. I am willing to give him a chance. But he shouldn't be tweeting out what we want to hear. We want to see results not just tweets getting our hopes up.

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The Commish:

"The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers."


Great advice, ArneK. Even if you have no overseas trip planned and your passport/visa have expired, get to work NOW on having them renewed.

You never know when that call or urge to head overseas comes. When/if it does and you've got your papers in order, the rest is easy.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

There is no question a body shot can do tremendous damage, or even kill a person. What I was stating earlier is the extensive test the New York State Athletic Commission did on older fighters and retired fighters. The damage to fighters internal organs was found to be minimal as compared to the brain damage the study showed.

Broken ribs heal. A punctured lung will heal. A ruptured spleen will heal. A bruised kidney will heal. Didn't Oscar de la Hoya get KO'd by a body shot from B-Hop? He sure did. I'm just as sure he has no lasting effect from that punch.

As for Harry Houdini, he was killed from a few body punches delivered by a man who had asked him if it was true that Houdini believed he could not be hurt by a body punch. Moments after telling them man that was true, he also gave the man permission to drill him with a few shots, but the man should wait for Houdini's signal when to start. Houdini then turned and walked to a couch, then sat down. As he sat, the man struck Houdini a few solid blows to the beltline, taking him completely by surprise. Houdini doubled over in agony, waving off the man from punching any further. One of the blows apparently ruptured Houdini's appendix, and his refusal to get treatment led to peritonitis and his death several days later. Treatment, even those 90 years ago, would probably have saved Houdini's life.

As for head trauma, legendary trainer Cus D'Amato had a belief, and I quote him now, that "No fighter ever died from punches he took in a ring." Read that again. At the time of the death of boxer Willie Classen, who was killed in a fight against Wilford Scypoion on October 2, 1979, both Bert Sugar and I were doing TV interviews in our offrices at The Ring about Classen's tragic death. D'Amato happened to be in our office that day, and he, too, was interviewed. Bert and I could only look at each other is disbelief as D'Amato said, "While there are many notable boxing people who sayWillie Classen was killed in the fight, I ask 'How do they know it was the fight that killed him?' Fighters don't die in a fight or because of a fight. They die because of pre-existing conditions."

After the cameras left, D'Amato proceeded to lash Bert & me for our stand that Willie Classen died in the ring, as did Benny "Kid" Paret, Davey Moore and so many other fighters throughout boxing's long history. He said, "I'm surprised at both of you, believing that fighters can get killed in the ring. Nobody, and I repeat, NOBODY, has ever died as the result of a fight."

Maybe Bert & I were missing something, but we didn't agree with D'Amato then, and I know Bert still didn't agree with D'Amato right until the end.

As for chess ansd crossword puzzles, they are great games to keep the mind sharp. Jerry Quarry loved playing chess and could knock off a N.Y. Times crossword puzzle fasterthan anybody I ever met. Chess and crossword puzzles didn't stop Dementia Pugilistica from taking Quarry from us at 53.

I'm not saying body shots over the course of a boxing career and lifetime won't affect a man. But I am sure they have nowhere near the same longterm affect as an accumulation of head shots.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers."


YUP! That backlog is terrible. It messed a planned trip for many of my Fil-Am relatives in the USA. They were supposed to be in the P-Islands before July 10. Now it is August and they are not being allowed to travel yet. They should've gotten dual citizenship instead just being AmerKano Joes and AmerKana James. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Either GGG vs Quillen or GGG vs Ward would be a beautiful thing.

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ArneK.:

Oscar is just twittering out of his butt, chumming the water, so to speak. In an earlier tweat, he proposed a fight between Golovkin and Peter Quillin. "My Latino brother will do a number on the G Man," he wrote. (Quillin was born in Chicago but is of Cuban descent.)

Putting all four of those guys on the same card would be a bad business move. Considering the purse obligations, the nut would be enormous.

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ArneK.:

The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers.

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SouthPawFlo:

Quillin needs a big name fight for me to take him Seriously, Al Haymon has guided his career well for him to make money and get a belt, but it's time for him to take the training wheels off and take a big fight.

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oubobcat:

Thanks everyone for the confidence to make me mod, its something I would love to do.

However, these next few weeks I am in the process of moving and are on schedule to close on August 7th. So I will not be able to dedicate the time needed to be mod and my posts for a bout a week will be limited. After I get settled in which shouldn't take too long, would be very interested in being mod (2nd half of August if available).

Oh and for those wondering and to show how die hard a fan I am I did schedule this around the Garcia-Salka. My wife was initially targeting last weekend and our builder was on board. I played along at first but kept a keen eye on the schedule. When Golovkin-Geale was officially announced, I knew I had to get the date changed. So when a few weeks later Garcia-Salka was announced, I had my date just needed to come up with something. I did, a tweak here and there and discussion with the builder and my wife about not rushing things and lets just push to close a few weeks later. My wife got on board and the builder agreed...thus successfully moved closing from Golovkin-Geale weekend to Garcia-Salka weekend.

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Radam G:

"Not only do body punches cause long term damage, they can kill you on the spot. Do you all remember what killed Harry Houdini? Boom, body punch. Never got up."

Sadly! I just had a flashback from my peewee days of this kid who had a heart attack after getting blasted in the chest with a vicious punch.

Wow! Holla!

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Skibbz:

It's hard to argue that GGG hasn't improved because he invariably has. It's hard to argue that he's improved by leaps and bounds because we've yet to see it. The fact is that he is quality, and fortunately for us the spectators he is likely to reign in the middleweight division as undisputed king for many years.

Also who is saying GGG is a 154er? He is a 160 fighter not 154. I don't know if he could make it but fights with 154ers can always be made.

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Skibbz:

Can break a guys ribs, rupture his spleen, break his liver, kidney failure if you're dirty, all kinds of internal bleeding. You can shoot out shoulders, pop out elbows and cause all kinds of structural damage to the bones with well placed punches to joints.

In the long term any number of these can add up and be just as bad if not worse for a fighter. Sometimes the toll of body shots been in sparring can induce you to urinate blood and bruise up your organs so bad you got to drink through a straw..

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