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The Shadow:

I wonder if there has ever been a fight, post-Cotto, where Paulie Malignaggi was the favorite.



Hopkins UD, though a stoppage won't shock me.



Colgate Quillin AKA Pete B. Killin will score four forgettable knockdowns en route to a blas seventh round stoppage.



The real main event I see going two ways -- and no, not a win or loss for either. This fight end before the 12th or Paulie wins a close decision.



Intangibles aside, this is Paulie by KO5. However, Porter is a tough dog -- but a dog nonetheless.



While his toughness may help him escape a violent demise and push this matchup the distance, his grit will not prevent a fate that has already been written, (by Ala.H.) setting up a unification fight for all the marbles in the fall.



By the end of the night, a swollen nose, bruised ego and busted lip later, we shall crown a new monarch of the ring:



Paulie Malignaggi, The New King of Boxing. #TNKOB

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The Shadow:

I wonder if there has ever been a fight, post-Cotto, where Paulie Malignaggi was the favorite.

Hopkins UD, though a stoppage won't shock me.

Colgate Quillin AKA Pete B. Killin will score four forgettable knockdowns en route to a blas seventh round stoppage.

The real main event I see going two ways -- and no, not a win or loss for either. This fight end before the 12th or Paulie wins a close decision.

Intangibles aside, this is Paulie by KO5. However, Porter is a tough dog -- but a dog nonetheless.

While his toughness may help him escape a violent demise and push this matchup the distance, his grit will not prevent a fate that has already been written, (by Ala.H.) setting up a unification fight for all the marbles in the fall.

By the end of the night, a swollen nose, bruised ego and busted lip later, we shall crown a new monarch of the ring:

Paulie Malignaggi, The New King of Boxing. #TNKOB

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The Commish:

Arne, you are right about Giardello not being a Marvin Hagler-type of puncher. But that didn't stop fans from loving him...kind of like the way Mexican fans took to the flyweight champion from Merida, Mexico, 40 years ago, Miguel Canto. The guy's boxing record basically was made up of this: W 15.

And, yes, Dino, Giardello fought 'em all. His boxing record was a "Who's Who" of the world's top middleweights over and over.

I'm lucky to have become friends with Giardello when I was the 30-year-old Editor of The Ring. We got together a lot down in Atlantic City over dinner. They were times I will cherish forever.

-Randy G.

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the Roast:

Behind on points Shumenov drops and stops B-Hop with a left to the body. Porter outpoints Paulie by split D. Quillen by KO.

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ArneK.:

I wouldn't encourage anyone to pursue a career as a writer today, not with newspapers shrinking, publishing houses dying, and so much good content available for free on the Internet. However, Pat Putnam was correct. A writer can keep getting better at his craft as he gets older and older. That's comforting. Mr. Putnam had some interesting war stories, but let's not go there.

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teaser:

yes looks even better in slo-mo.Manny was in tune playing Bradley like an conductor

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mcemman:

you are a very intelligent analyzer as if you are a boxing guru.. congrats and appreciate your very kin observation..

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deepwater2:

Good insight . I was at that cano fight . Cano won

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deepwater2:

"A quick flip of the script. Shumenov wins, spectacular fashion."



Welcome to the club . My picks are the same as when the fights were signed . Porter wins tko / dec , quillen wins ko , shumenov wins some how some way

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The Shadow:

Exactly, Randy.

AJ, trainers are extremely territorial. Cus D'Amato used to be paranoid about people getting near his fighters.

In order to get near them, you need to have credibility. And if you have training credibility and try to approach, you will be shunned -- especially with a guy who has future money making potential for the principals.

Randy's suggestion is good. Don't step on any toes, help out here and there and before you know it you're an integrated part of the gym...but I get the impression you don't really care for that that much? You just want to get straight to Vasyl, right?

In that case, write your analyses on here -- best place to get quality feedback and honest evaluation of your strategic and analytical acumen; you may be better or worse than you think -- and hope Team Lomachenko sees them.

You could even send them a link from that. "Hey, here's an interesting discussion about Vasyl from some fans, fighters, writers and commissioners; thought you might like it. Check it out. AJ"

You only need to convince the right one, right?

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Skibbz:

"Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.

And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.

I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!"


I see that RG. Won't be the last time someone's gonna pay a champ to get their jaw dirty.

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The Shadow:

"Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.

And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.

I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!"


I don't know about secret conversations except for the ones between Michael Conz and Jeff and Floyd Mayweather, but I do know this:

Once blood testing was brought up, Bob Arum filed a lawsuit, declared the fight dead and signed Joshua Clottey, who he owed a big fight after signing him up from DiBella anyway.

But there's nothing illusory about that. Blood testing had been there from the get-go. Even when Mayweather's representation offered a 14-day cutoff compromise, it was the Top Rank side that wouldn't budge.

They left the table. Not the other way around.

That said, I honestly doubt Manny gave a ish either way. I'm sure he would've fought.

I've never seen him say any of the BS Arum fed the press about being afraid of needles (and he has tattoos?) and all that other nonsense.

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Radam G:

"Absolutely agree. I am beginning to wonder with all the money to be made, with the potential legacy to be gained, and with all the additional things that winning their fight would have brought, if either of them ever really wanted to fight."Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.



And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.



I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!

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Skibbz:

A quick flip of the script. Shumenov wins, spectacular fashion.

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The Good Doctor:

"Manny is the one who left the negotiating table...twice.

So thank both of them."


Absolutely agree. I am beginning to wonder with all the money to be made, with the potential legacy to be gained, and with all the additional things that winning their fight would have brought, if either of them ever really wanted to fight.

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The Shadow:

"its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight .."

Manny is the one who left the negotiating table...twice.

So thank both of them.

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Radam G:

"Certainly the fact that he's Italian doesn't hurt him, but have you ever looked at his resume? He fought everybody. Look who he defeated to win the world title. And check how many times he fought that monster. His record contains the equivalent of fighting Manny Pacquiao four times, Paul Williams three times, Antonio Margarito three times, Oscar De La Hoya twice and on and on it goes.



It took him forever to get a title opportunity, and I remember he said that night he won it he felt he could have defeated a heavyweight.



Arn, I love guys who find ways to win, especially when they're not supposed to. And I don't have any particular problems with 'boring' fighters, although I would not consider JG boring."




I'm with DDV on this one. JG was not boring because he could not punch. Holla at Kid Gavilan. The Cuban Hawk had on 28 kayos -- mostly TKOs -- in 143 recorded professional bouts.



I believe -- from eyewitnesses reports and film -- that KG was a survival of fame because he was a smart bitter. He bit that famous Bolo punch off my late, great Tio Celly. Most of todays fan and fanfaronads don't even know who first made that Bolo punch famous and the origrin of it.



I gotta go! Holla!

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Radam G:

B-Hop is my pick. Outta Shumenov, B-Hop is gonna make a pathetic prick.



I predict that Shumenov loses his cool. And B-Hop takes him to old skool. And treat him like _____ and metaphorically flush him down the toilet stool.



B-Hop is doing what a few oldtimers and now deadtimers did. The only difference is that we know B-Hop actual, verified age. He has already won the first six rounds. Holla!

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Radam G:

"its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight .."

Lil' Floyd did what was best for his career in regards to prizefighting. If the fight would've taking place five years ago, he would probably be punchy, broke and outta da game.



By not fighting Da Manny, he prolonged his career and his PHAT purses. Dude is smart. No cause or wants of anyone that doesn't do da darn thang can tell Money May when or who to fight.



Thus, he is still around making da big dough and fighting the no-chance-in-hell-of-winning dopes, jokes and no hopes. Holla!

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kidcanvas:

its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight ..

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kidcanvas:

the man beat one of the best fighters in the world if not the best, considering his opposition, so that he did it easy really should be the story

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oubobcat:

I like Quillin by mid-round stoppage in a fight he is completely dominant in against Konecny.

I think Shawn Porter will dominate Paulie Malignaggi. Malignaggi may have some success early (I mean early) but once Porter gets in a rhythm I expect him to take over the fight. Yes Malignaggi has more experience but Porter is the younger stronger fighter. A much slower Pablo Cano pushed Malignaggi around a couple years ago and I expect Porter to do so even more. Remember too Porter came down from Junior Middleweight about four years ago. He is a strong Welterweight and well Malignaggi does not move like he use to do. Porter is going to keep coming and keep getting work done on the inside. I expect him to win a very lopsided unanimous decision.

The Hopkins-Shumenov fight will be more competitive than most think I feel. Shumenov can fight and is better than Murat and Cloud. I look for Hopkins to once again try to out guile his opponent, pot shot and attempt to steal rounds in the last 30 seconds. I see them being fairly even on the punches landed but Hopkins is a master of opening the round strong and finishing strong which will leave an impression on the judges. In the end, Hopkins edges out a close decision.

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oubobcat:

Not to take anything away from Salka, who stuck to a very smart game plan, but I always thought Collado was over-hyped. This is also an example of why it does the fighter a disservice to feed them so many soft touches to start a career. Collado had things go his way with relative ease in his first 18 fights and not only did he not learn anything but he also developed some very bad habits. His technique was horrible but he was allowed to get away with that in the past. The looping right hand he threw for example might have landed on an inferior foe and even knocked them out but not on a schooled fighter such as Salka.

As for Salka, I really consider this his second big win in a row. I thought he clearly deserved the decision back in December against Alvarez. He can expose fighters, such as Alvarez and Collado, who have major flaws in their game. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at a bigger fight and think he has earned that opportunity.

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amayseng:

"What, no pendulum graghics?"



haha



i laughed out loud..

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The Commish:

Great stuff, Arne. I have found myself digging into my archives to find out more about Joe Gans...more about Battling Nelson...and more about their series of fights.

As for me, the one guy I would love to meet more than anybody if I could take a Time Machine back would be Jack Johnson. I'd love to talk to him, interview him, train with him, run with him and simply sit back and marvel at this phenomenal athletic specimen.

-Randy G.

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dino da vinci:

Certainly the fact that he's Italian doesn't hurt him, but have you ever looked at his resume? He fought everybody. Look who he defeated to win the world title. And check how many times he fought that monster. His record contains the equivalent of fighting Manny Pacquiao four times, Paul Williams three times, Antonio Margarito three times, Oscar De La Hoya twice and on and on it goes.

It took him forever to get a title opportunity, and I remember he said that night he won it he felt he could have defeated a heavyweight.

Arn, I love guys who find ways to win, especially when they're not supposed to. And I don't have any particular problems with 'boring' fighters, although I would not consider JG boring.

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The Commish:

Shadow, your first linesaid it best: "You have to be tactful in your approach."

I can just imagine what the response would be from a trainer who gets a message from a fan which, in effect, says, "ZYou guys are missing something. Why don't you hire me so I can work with the fighter and eventually push you out."

We all have to start somewhere. Usually, that start is at the bottom. Go to the local boxing gyms. Work out there or just sit back and observe. Don't step on any toes. Don't correct another trainer. Don't be pushy. Keep your eyes open. Keep your ears open. Keep your mouth shut. Eventually, you'll become part of the fabric of that gym. This is especially true in boxing gyms, which are limited in their numbers.

As far as getting in touch with these guys almost immediately, go on Facebook. You will be surprised how many boxing personalities have FB accounts. It doesn't mean they will immediately (or ever) answer a private message from you. But it's worth the try.

Good luck in your efforts.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

What if -- what IF -- Lomachenko loses?

Will they change his record to 7-2? Or will he be 1-2? And if he's now 1-2, where does he go from there? Is it back of the lie, start over and fight 10 stiffs to get back in line and propo up his record a bit?

I think that's something worth considering. What do you guys think?

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The Shadow:

"Thanks for the advice. I will send an email to:
a. the gym that Vasyl trained at for the Salido fight
b. Oxnard Gym - hell I'll even send a copy of the email to guys like Pelos Garcia lool
c. the websites and emails they provide.
d. Somehow get in touch with Joey Gamache..no idea how yet lol

The problem is, it'll be a long email, and they have to be able to 'buy-in' to me first, they can't think I'm just any fan who doesn't really know much and is delusional etc. looool

I understand all of the fine details that Lomachenko has to improve for the future, I haven't broken down the Gary Russell Jr fight yet but I will soon. I dont think theres any point of writing down a completely intricate breakdown if it's not going to be seen by Team Lomachenko."


You have to be very tactful in your approach. You say you have analyzed 40 of his fights. His team has analyzed ALL of his fights, plus they watch him day in and day out.

Remember, this is what they do. Also, from my understanding, the head coach is responsible for strategy and there's a process to get to that stage.

So if you claim to have the secret to improving him x amount of percent -- and you very well may have the secret -- they might take offense to that. Even if you did have the key and shared it with them, it's hard to imagine they would give you credit for it.

Your emails might even get dismissed as well. Keep in mind, you're probably not the first fan that reaches out to them with strategy advice. They tend to ignore it. At least in other sports they do.

(Keep in mind, everybody and their mama as trying to advice Canelo on how to beat Floyd. Even Roberto friggin Duran! And Canelo dismissed his a$$, saying he appreciated it but didn't need it.)

However, to build some credibility, maybe start doing some breakdown a la Mister Lee Wylie to demonstrate a keen analytical eye so you at least have something to send them for reference. I doubt they will read a long email from a stranger.

Get a nice little following and then they might take you seriously or at least look at it, dismiss it, and then use it privately.

That said, nothing is impossible. If you go track them down in person and do a HELLUVA sales job, who knows?

I definitely think it can be done. But you have to be mindful of how it comes across to them.

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ArneK.:

Thanks for chiming in, Randy. I do have to correct you on one point, however. The attendance was hardly five times the population of the town, not in 1906. The details of antiquarian fights tend to get exaggerated over time, especially fights in the old west.

According to the 2010 census, the current population of Goldfield is 268. Some of my friends that have driven through there are amazed that a place this small, and this remote, could have hosted an internationally important sporting event.

What made the event possible was the invention of the Pullman car. As was also true of a dining car, a Pullman car could be unhitched from the train and then sit on a side track, becoming a temporary motel.

As for those that couldn't afford to upgrade to a Pullman car, or couldn't afford to stay in the town's three-story hotel, they slept wherever they could: on bunk beds set up in the schoolhouse, on rooftops, on cots set up on the porches of private homes, wherever.

I'm guessing that if I had been credentialed to cover the fight, I would have arrived to discover that I was lodged with the "auxiliary press" -- in the schoolhouse.

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