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Radam G:

Boxing is the hurt business. And it also has more secrecy than the FBI, NSA, CIA, DIA and ____ _____ combined. It is not good public relation to talk about all the dangers of pugilism.

There are more fighters suffering eye and internal body damages than are suffering brain damages. The smartness of the game is to inattentionally blind you with concussions from head trauma than to spill the whole nine of internal damages to the noggin and torso -- especially to the torso.

The body softies are out of the game in a flash. I will guess weekly a fighter somewhere gets a collapsed lung and/or gallbladder, kidney, liver and major artery -- hearts chamber -- damages that you butts in the seats and eyeballs behind the TV and PPV screens will never know about. You hear about the glory or the game, not the gory of it.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But you ask. Ask NOT! Or you will get what you GOT! Between each line of pain and glory in a boxing story, there is untold gory. And you will never know until you ask. Holla!

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ArneK.:

To set the record straight, college boxing as a full-ride scholarship sport died in 1960 following the death of University of Wisconsin boxer Charlie Mohr. Several western colleges stayed the course, forming their own league, but their tournaments lacked NCAA oversight. And please Radam, there were never as many scholarships offered for boxing as for football.

The sport of college boxing was gaining traction when the plug was pulled. I found this commentary in an old newspaper: "The filth, fixes, fakes and fantastic finishes in many pro televised bouts have started to turn the public against professional boxing and many fans will be looking for college boxing with its high moral standards to take its place."

I'm not sure big-time college sports is the best place to look for high moral standards. Critics of college boxing pointed to recruiting abuses. Coaches were allegedly trolling amateur tournaments for talent and offering improper benefits to land hot prospects. Sound familiar?

College boxing has returned as a club (i.e. non-scholarship) sport. National tournaments have been held for several years now. In conformity with Title 9, there are men's and ladies divisions. In recent years, the service academies, particularly the Air Force Academy, have dominated these competitions. Service academy boxers are on a full ride, as are all of their classmates.

The late San Francisco boxing scribe Jack Fiske attended the University of Alabama circa 1940 when boxing at that school drew larger crowds than basketball games. The star of the Crimson Tide boxing team was George Wallace, a crowd-pleasing featherweight. Fiske told me that he would have made a good pro.

Many people wish that Wallace had taken that route. Instead, he became a four-term governor and one of the most polarizing figures in American politics.

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oubobcat:

The heavyweight fight did turn out to be a disappoint. I was definitely expecting a lot more from each man. To me, Perez looked out of shape. Jennings looked to be thinking too much instead of throwing and too mechanical in the ring. I scored the fight 6 rounds a piece but with the point deduction the fight on my card went to Jennings. I thought a draw would have been very appropriate though.

Regarding the point deduction, I didn't think it was atrocious as was said on the air and understand where the referee is coming from. However, I do respectfully disagree with the call. It was the 12th round of a close fight. Unless an egregious foul was committed or the fighter did something again that he was already warned several times not to do the ref should do all that is possible to not involve himself in a fight. Yes there was a foul committed but I did not think enough to warrant a point being taken away especially in the last round. A hard warning would have sufficed. It did impact the result of the fight ultimately.

Speaking of Steve Cunningham, I want to see either HBO or Showtime give the man a payday and a shot. He has more than earned it. He has been involved in probably the two best heavyweight bouts in the last two years with his fights with Tyson Fury and Amir Mansour. He has been in fight of the year type fights in the past as well. If he is put on the air, he will be in a good fight. Here is a suggestion too...if Glazkov beats Rossy in a couple weeks lets make Cunningham-Glazkov on HBO later this fall/winter. The styles of both fighters will make for a very fan friendly heavyweight bout.

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brownsugar:

"And in their most recent encounter, GGG controlled the fight. Control is more important than punches landed, if you want a comparison to the pro's. There's no reward for quantity in professional prizefighting. Saying that Dirrell once outpointed GGG in the amateurs more than a decade ago, has no bearing on how a fight tomorrow would turn out.

Especially when GGG avenged that loss in style in a more recent engagement.

I'll let you make your own mind up about GGG's improvement- you seem to be saying that his professional experience, and Sanchez's tutelage have had almost no effect. I've watched around 50 of GGG's amateur fights, and all of his professional ones, and I can't say that your opinion makes any sense to me. That's flat out wrong, as I'm sure anyone else here will tell you. The 2004 version of GGG was 85% of the fighter he is now? You know better than that, or you're not watching the same fighter I am.

As for Dirrell's 'bag of offensive tricks that dwarfs that of Floyd Mayweather' I think that you're overestimating Dirrell's skill set. He doesn't have the chin to take what GGG dishes out, the power to wobble the sturdy Kazakh, or the movement to stay away from Golovkin's mastery of the squared circle. He has a decent jab, but no inside game to match Golovkin's. Once the distance is inevitably closed, Dirrell will go down.

This is assuming the fight takes place at middleweight. There's no way that GGG's moving up for a contender that hasn't even fought in well over a year, who's record in world title fights is 0-1 (SD), against GGG's 12-0 (12KO's)."



I have the utmost respect for both you guys... TheGrey and Shadow...
So please don't think I'm choosing sides, ....just want to give my opinion..
**** Dirrell was once good enough to get robbed against Froch in his hometown.....at least I thought Dre' won. And he outclassed a prime Abraham's.

But in my humble opinion, even if Dirrell was still in prime shape I don't believe he could fend off GGG for 12 rounds. Dirrell's stamina was always suspect, and even with his superior foot speed and quick ambidextrous hands... I think he'd fall victim to a relentless GGG within the rounds 6-12.

he'd become mentally exhausted trying to defend against GGG's variable offence before he became physically exhausted due to GGG's withering head and torso attack.
And then ...checkmate.

Honestly I seriously doubt Dirrell could even fight at 168 and remain healthy.
The kid looked like he needed to move up in weight when he was still active in the supersix.

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The Commish:

So much to think about in the next PxP Ratings:

Is $$$May still inpossession of the skills which once made him #1?

Is very inactive Andre Ward--with no fight in sight--going to remain at #2?

Will Manny Pacquiao move into the #2 slot if Ward drops?

Will GGG advance because of the dominance his showed on Saturday night?

Will Sergey Kovalev be able to crack the Top-10?

If Kovalev does make it it, who will be leaving?

Will Shawn Porter have a better showing?

Will Mikey and Danny Garcia remain the same? Move up? Drop?

You have until Aug. 10 at 11:59pm to get your ballots in. If you already know that Sergey Kovalev will not be on your list, even if he wins this weekend, send them in now. If you need to put all the info possible into the computer called your brain and you feel like waiting--then do so.

It will be interesting to see how--and if--GGG's impressive win affects his standing, and how some inactivity affects others.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"I agree Skibbz. Another thing not talked enough about Kovalev is that he has really good boxing skills. He knows how to set up his punches inside the ring. He works behind a very effective jab and uses good footwork to cut off the ring on his opponents as well as set up angles to land his bombs. Kovalev is a much more seasoned fighter than say Stevenson. Hopkins knows this and will stay far away from Kovalev. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the fight as well. I just don't think it will ever happen."

Timing

Kovalev has impeccable timing, it is far overlooked.

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thegreyman:

I agree 100% Skibbz. Yet again, the abundance of sanctioning bodies is preventing us from seeing the fights that should be getting made. So long as people can avoid the best champion in the division and still become world title holders, we're all left out in the cold.

GGG needs to get hold of those other bests asap, and he knows it. It may be more of a struggle to get champions into the ring though, than it usually is for him to get them out again!

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thegreyman:

"OK, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comment and I can appreciate your passion -- You and yours are great for boxing.

However there's a palpable absence of logic -- if not outright inaccuracy -- sprinkled with a hint of ignorance in your statement.

Handily? Like GGG says, "Are you serious?" I suggest you watch it again, buddy. It was a close, evenly-contested, competitive fight, which was reflected in the scores and the commentary. (I think it was like 17-15 or something with under two minutes left in the fight.)

But OK, scoring is subjective so I won't #ether you with that statement.

Secondly, here is how I think he could pose a problem: he's beaten him before.

Here's what I take issue with in your statement:

GGG had only half the skills then? You mean to tell me he's twice as good now? The notion is simplistic at best and outrageous at worst.

I'd venture to guess -- Stormmcentre, feel free to share your knowledge of the E-bloc school here -- that he had at least 80-85% of the fundamental foundation in the Olympics that you're seeing on I display now.

And that Dirrell hasn't improved since 2004? Really? What do you base those bombastic statements on? (He may not have improved much in recent years; he hasn't competed so we don't know.)

Assuming you're not trolling and/or tripping off some good Afghan kush, I'd genuinely like to hear what you base that on.

Because while he was an exceptional talent in the amateurs, he's improved and adapted to the pros by the virtue of going 12 rounds.

More importantly, Dirrell has quote possibly the most varied offense in boxing along with Top 5 hand speed pound-for-pound.

In fact, I believe if he had Andre Ward's overall toughness, he'd be Top 3 pound-for-pound. Sadly for him, he's a bit of a mental midget; he whines, complains, cries and so forth.

But physically? He's an awesome offensive machine who switches seamlessly back and effort between southpaw and conventional -- and he has a bag full of offensive tricks that dwarfs that of boxing's number one guy in Floyd Mayweather.

(Now you can agree or disagree with that statement; doesn't matter. This is a fact.)

In fact, it was with this skill set and ability to adapt to the pro game (ie. improvement from amateur days) that he traveled to the UK as an 18-0 world level novice to take on -- and arguably beat -- one of boxing's top guys in Carl Froch.

To illustrate the gigantic leap in competition this presented, up until then Dirrell was doing battle with guys like Carlos Cockerham and Kenny Kost (!).

Now, if you disagree when I say Dirrell is a threat, that's fine.

But it's the reasoning behind that makes me go, "wait a minute." You haven't even seen him face that style at that level in the pros.

That said, I'd really like to see a sensible explanation where you demonstrate that GGG has improved 100% with Dirrell showing none.

Maybe you should study his fights with Abraham and Froch. Or maybe you're just saying that because he's been inactive due to injury and promotional issues?

Either way, the burden of proof is on you, my friend. I think you might have a daunting task in front of you."



And in their most recent encounter, GGG controlled the fight. Control is more important than punches landed, if you want a comparison to the pro's. There's no reward for quantity in professional prizefighting. Saying that Dirrell once outpointed GGG in the amateurs more than a decade ago, has no bearing on how a fight tomorrow would turn out.

Especially when GGG avenged that loss in style in a more recent engagement.

I'll let you make your own mind up about GGG's improvement- you seem to be saying that his professional experience, and Sanchez's tutelage have had almost no effect. I've watched around 50 of GGG's amateur fights, and all of his professional ones, and I can't say that your opinion makes any sense to me. That's flat out wrong, as I'm sure anyone else here will tell you. The 2004 version of GGG was 85% of the fighter he is now? You know better than that, or you're not watching the same fighter I am.

As for Dirrell's 'bag of offensive tricks that dwarfs that of Floyd Mayweather' I think that you're overestimating Dirrell's skill set. He doesn't have the chin to take what GGG dishes out, the power to wobble the sturdy Kazakh, or the movement to stay away from Golovkin's mastery of the squared circle. He has a decent jab, but no inside game to match Golovkin's. Once the distance is inevitably closed, Dirrell will go down.

This is assuming the fight takes place at middleweight. There's no way that GGG's moving up for a contender that hasn't even fought in well over a year, who's record in world title fights is 0-1 (SD), against GGG's 12-0 (12KO's).

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thegreyman:

"Is there a possibility of long-term internal damage caused by taking too many body shots? Just wondering..."

I'm sure there is, though it depends how and where you take the punishment.

Besides broken/ fractured ribs, your organs will inevitably take issue with being battered possibly hundreds of times in the course of a fight.

A single shot placed precisely and powerfully, can rupture certain organs- causing a pretty speedy death. Besides a full on rupture, I'm sure people have had problems from an accumulation of punishment to the body, whether over the course of a fight or a career.

The human body is remarkably resilient though, and does an excellent job of repairing damaged tissue, and your body has evolved to protect what's inside it- whether the brain or the other internal organs. Nobody's invulnerable though.

I'm sure there's guys on here who know there boxing history well enough to point to plenty of fighters who have suffered death/ permanent injury through body shots taken in boxing.

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oubobcat:

"I don't think Kovalev would succumb to the mind games of Hopkins, and Kovalev can really hit an opponent. I think it would be an interesting fight, Bernard will use his experience and a few tricks Kovalev may not have seen before, as Radam said stabbing him all night with his right hand. It's very dependent on who's will can be forced onto the other in this fight I think, and how determined Kovalev will be to fight through a very awkward and intelligent Bernard Hopkins."

I agree Skibbz. Another thing not talked enough about Kovalev is that he has really good boxing skills. He knows how to set up his punches inside the ring. He works behind a very effective jab and uses good footwork to cut off the ring on his opponents as well as set up angles to land his bombs. Kovalev is a much more seasoned fighter than say Stevenson. Hopkins knows this and will stay far away from Kovalev. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the fight as well. I just don't think it will ever happen.

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oubobcat:

"Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!

Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?""


He does have a job but I would not call him a part time fighter at all. He is very dedicated to the sport and has made great strides since entering this profession. You don't make the strides he has made without being 100% committed to the sport.

Jennings had a bad night, make no mistake about it. He still got the win though. He is athletic and does have talent. In this fight against Perez, he seemed to be doing more thinking than fighting. In the past, he seemed more fluid but here he seemed more mechanical. I am not sure if it was the big spotlight, Perez's style or something else.

I think Jennings could become a very good heavyweight. Remember, he has only been boxing for five years. I am not talking about professional experience either but total experience. There is still plenty of room to grow and improve.

Jennings is sitting at a shot at the winner of Wilder-Stiverne. If I managed Jennings, I do not sit out now and wait for that fight. It could be up to a year before that happens if not longer. He must stay active. I go back to the fighting for five years. He is not going to improve and get better by sitting out and waiting now to fight for the WBC belt.

His people also better not sit and wait for an HBO date. Jennings needs to just get back in the ring HBO or no HBO, tv or no tv. I understand its a risk but I think it could be career damaging to send him in a fight with Wilder or Stiverne after a year or so layoff with no opportunity to improve his skills inside the boxing ring in real fights.

I like Jennings potential. Whether or not he can live up to it, only time will tell.

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stormcentre:

"Very smart again Storm, they transfer energy and power very well both Kostya and Gennady. I have noticed it myself too although I must admit not with Golovkin. I will have a look at the Geale fight again and I will try to catch it.

Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!

A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.

@Flacko I'm not sure if he could make 150 for Floyd but that would be so interesting to see. It would be a great test. Gennady has speed and maneuvers around the ring well but Floyd won't be hiding from him all night. He will be there goading him to take his best shot. For once, although we haven't seen it yet, Gennady may become frustrated at not being able to land how and when he likes against a somewhat stationary target. As we've seen him many big punchers in the past such as Duran, once they can't hit you they get frustrated and that's when their most vulnerable. That said, it's hard to see GGG getting frustrated, he looks like ice in the ring.

Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!

Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart."


"Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!"


Yes, you could be right.

Ward, as far as his power and game was concerned, did alright against Dawson, Bika, Kessler and Froch; so one would think it should hold him in good stead.

I get where you're coming from. Unless someone has the power to earn 3G's respect, he's just going to keep coming forward and looking to land - heavy.

That said, the fight game is tough enough as it is, without having to constantly focus on defence as if your consciousness depends on it every second.

Still, Leonard did it to Hagler, so I am sure there is someone in the mentioned group that - when they land on 3G - he will feel it, reset, and possibly re-think.

Clearly, Geale wasn't that guy, and I was concerned looking at him at the weigh in and as the commencement ceremony in the ring took place.

He's a relatively small-framed light middleweight, and add to it all he didn't look that confident - almost as if he was bothered about all Gary Shaw had said (and ate) before the fight.

For these reasons I think 3G will not find a reasonable challenge in the light middleweight division.


A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Bika is an interesting kettle of fish. In some ways he's like 3G, as he's unconventional and doesn't bother too much with the flamboyant aspects of the game, loves to punch, does it well, and usually gains the respect of those he lands on. He, too, is relatively avoided, and he has a good set of whiskas.

Bika and 3G would be a good fight, as Bike would be someone that would hit Gennady back and hurt him; regardless of how long it lasted.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.


Kessler is interesting too. I am not sure where he (really) is at on the world scene at the moment. His last fight with Ward has a psychological impact on him.

Froch is a good candidate for a fight with 3G I think.

You're right, he is sloppy, and that would give 3G a lot of options and Gennady's deceptively quick hands and feet combined with his power might just start what Groves did and also finish it off - in fact it's almost certain.

Froch's confidence and ego may just (hopefully) not allow him to turn the offer down.


"Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Yes he may just be. I think Canelo would be destroyed. He has sparred a few rounds with 3G and he wasn't able to enforce his will in a manner that allowed him to leave feeling he controlled the exercise. In fact, aside from what was written about it, what I heard was that Canelo started to get a bit smart (thinking he had the measure of 3G) and then Gennady started to unload and kick it up a gear and Canelo started to feel sore ribs and cheekbones.

Canelo, has almost no defence against guys that are savvy, not dominated and fresh (when he is dominating and/or in control he will often dodge, duck, weave and showboat), and that combined with the fact that Canelo knows Golovkin has previously not found him overly daunting (when, even whilst Canelo was preparing for a fight, 3G decided to give him some work {or a work-over}), and how Canelo knows only too well that Golovkin has improved since then; would probably mean Canelo would be thinking about Lara experience and then imagining what it would be like if the guy actually stayed in front of him but hit him as hard as Golovkin previously did and can.

Canelo wouldn't like that thought - even if the experience wasn't recorded and broadcast on HBO for all to see.

"Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!"

Chavez, . . . there's a reason he hasn't made the fight. He knows. He's too slow and not active enough in the gym to even think about thinking about fighting 3G. Chavez, with his punch resistance, would probably catch himself a case of pugilistic dementia in that outing as, since he may not go down even when being hit, 3G could use him as a punching bag; which is what would happen.

"Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart."


Yes, there was not motivating my suggestion for Kirkland other than entertainment. It would still be a good spectacle though, as anyone as strong and as determined he James is that comes at you like he does - even if they're not a lefty - from the moment the bell rings; makes you either sink or swim. And, even if 3G wins this one, he would probably still be placed out of his comfort zone, as Kirkland - whilst he is fresh - is the type of guy even Golovkin doesn't want to take to many punches from.

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brownsugar:

"Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!



Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?""




He work the federal reserve Skibbz.......which is a good job that a lot of blue and white collar wage earners would like to have.



Its smart that he hasn't let the job go.

He should at least keep till after his heavyweight title shot.

He may need it .

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Radam G:

"Bhop smokes Stevenson, Kovalev I am not so sure of."

The "Alien" will use Kovalev's aggression as an ally to frustrate Kovalev, make him miss and make pay. And then tie him up. And make stay. Bust him upside da head and then to ball and guts and make go astray. And at the end of the night, he picks Kovalev like apart like a bale of hay.

Kovalev is so ok$ure that he can beat the Alien that Kovalev will not be okay. He will be a neurosis wild man at play. And up and down on him, an Alien arse thrashing will be easy to lay. Holla!

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gibola:

Once a guy drags himself to the top of the division, we seem to be quick to say he wouldn't have survived in a different era or that the current crop suffer too great a disparity in skill to be a problem for him.



It's not Gennady's fault. This is his time, he has boxed his life up to this point and he is continuing on his path of destruction and domination. There are guys coming up who have some skill, but they haven't even fought for national titles let alone world titles. Anyone around the world stage of competition wants more money than they're worth to fight him and or are following a different path.



Forgive me if I came across in that negative way because I don't like the harping back either at the expense of current fighters. I think GGG's the best at 160lb and I love to watch him fight, he'll be exciting in the years to come. I was just tempering the ATG stuff I was reading with a bit of perspective about where he stands in relatively recent history and who might beat him.

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amayseng:

Bhop smokes Stevenson, Kovalev I am not so sure of.

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Skibbz:

I don't think Kovalev would succumb to the mind games of Hopkins, and Kovalev can really hit an opponent. I think it would be an interesting fight, Bernard will use his experience and a few tricks Kovalev may not have seen before, as Radam said stabbing him all night with his right hand. It's very dependent on who's will can be forced onto the other in this fight I think, and how determined Kovalev will be to fight through a very awkward and intelligent Bernard Hopkins.

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flackoguapo:

That would be awesome! A true champ. And Skibbz, in your opinion, Will he venture to 68 for the big fights and always come back to 60 or will he make the move on up and keep pushin'?

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Skibbz:

As you've mentioned Storm, GGG has great technique and experience. Add behind the technique bone crushing power with no underestimation and the ability to take a good punch too and you have yourself a bit of a machine. This guy is a solid professional to boot. Kirkland's won't be beating him, no chance.

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Skibbz:

"I think it is clear 3G is stronger than most light middleweights and destined to move up in recognition again.

Add to that he has a brilliant (Eastern Bloc trained) amateur career, and the (legal/acceptable) advantage of a high altitude training and great metabolism that allows him to compete at lower (than what might me considered normal) weight divisions.

And to top it all off he has a punching technique - that I have illuminated before in this forum (again; Eastern Bloc trained - check some of Tszyu's right hooks and you will see the same supinated forearm) - that ensures the torque on punches doesn't unintentionally tail off prior to and after impact.

That said, how long would 3G take to demolish a prime;

1) Andre Ward (not just in his first fight after this layoff)?

2) Saiko Bika (The one that gave Calzaghe troubles and a 12 round fight).

3) Mikkel Kessler.

3) Carl Forch

I note 3G is now, in search of elite-ness, looking to unify the division. That should put an end to others avoiding him."


Very smart again Storm, they transfer energy and power very well both Kostya and Gennady. I have noticed it myself too although I must admit not with Golovkin. I will have a look at the Geale fight again and I will try to catch it.

Against Ward I think he finds him in the middle rounds. Where is Ward's power to dissuade him? Ward can move, he can stick but GGG is subtle and economical in all he does in the ring. He will maneuver you to the corner, moving right to move you left and so on. Once he has you in position it's up to you to fight your way out under his fire storm or dance out before the maulling begins. I can see Ward evading punches but getting slowly worn down by the ones that hit him. On top of that, when you're being outmaneuvered it takes much more energy out of you than when you're dominating and moving around the ring. By the mid rounds, Ward will drop off the pace slightly and GGG with his great economy will find him just like he's found everyone else. And Ward hasn't a solid chin!

A prime Bika would be a good match up but I still fancy GGG too. It might go the distance but I believe GGG would show him serious power again and he will fall. Interestingly I believe he has a rematch with Dirrell coming up after their recent Draw.

Kessler would fight back and it would be great to see, as would Froch. Those are two really interesting fights. Froch is sloppy at times and his invincible chin has touched the canvas. If it were to meet Gennady, then his lack of defence would find him in all sorts of trouble on the back foot. No doubt that Carl would be crusading forward and could have interesting moments, but Gennady is a fighter who has power. He will swing it out and come out better. Same with Kessler.

@Flacko I'm not sure if he could make 150 for Floyd but that would be so interesting to see. It would be a great test. Gennady has speed and maneuvers around the ring well but Floyd won't be hiding from him all night. He will be there goading him to take his best shot. For once, although we haven't seen it yet, Gennady may become frustrated at not being able to land how and when he likes against a somewhat stationary target. As we've seen him many big punchers in the past such as Duran, once they can't hit you they get frustrated and that's when their most vulnerable. That said, it's hard to see GGG getting frustrated, he looks like ice in the ring.

Canelo would be the best fight that can be made right now in my opinion, simply because of Canelo's draw and GGG's belts. Canelo is too premature for it but I would pay out of my rear to see that fight ringside. Unfortunately I think GGG has Canelo eating rabbit food to make 155 for a while longer yet, but Canelo is intelligent and powerful with good hand speed and athleticism that he isn't always given credit for. He lacks great footwork but he's young and he can still improve with the right trainers and teachers....

Chavez Jr would be mopping the floor before the second half of the fight no doubts. It would be a good fight for the first 2-3 rounds but by the time GGG will have him where he wants him and that'll be all she wrote!

Phew! Kirkland.. it's been touted around a lot on these forums and a few people mention it when asked about GGG. In my opinion, Kirkland is leagues behind Gennady in too many departments for it to be anything close to an even contest. Lack of defence, lack of effective technique and a lack of a granite chin will all cost him against GGG. He's improved somewhat after Ishida but no match for GGG. They're leagues apart.

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Skibbz:

Once a guy drags himself to the top of the division, we seem to be quick to say he wouldn't have survived in a different era or that the current crop suffer too great a disparity in skill to be a problem for him.

It's not Gennady's fault. This is his time, he has boxed his life up to this point and he is continuing on his path of destruction and domination. There are guys coming up who have some skill, but they haven't even fought for national titles let alone world titles. Anyone around the world stage of competition wants more money than they're worth to fight him and or are following a different path.

That's why it's imperative for Gennady's career to unify the division (get rid of all those different path's to a championship) and become King of the Hill. That way people will have no choice but to knock on his door, and then we will truly see the calibre of GGG.

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Skibbz:

Isn't Jennings a part time pugilist with a 9-5? Perez may not have had the engine but he will meet someone who does and he will falter. He lost the first 3 rounds against a lump of a former Cuban amateur, and then allowed the lump to steal more rounds later on in the fight. If it wasn't for the point deduction, the lump would have gotten himself a draw.. And the lump's not even mentally stable!

Jenning's won't be helping the HW division, or the American HW's. If anything he may offer some hope to up and comers who see him and think "Hey if this guy is running a 9-5 and beating guys in the Garden then what's stopping me?"

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The Shadow:

He beat Buddy Wolfe doe http://youtu.be/lkoUgdl9sSA

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brownsugar:

"I think Jennings is going to win this fight.



He is skilled, athletiamateurtting better each time out. His has very quick hands for a heavyweight and his technique keeps getting better. As previously pointed out, he beat a good southpaw his last time out so I don't see Perez's southpaw stance being an issue. Keep in mind as well that Perez's last two fights were brutal and he took a lot of punches. Even if his mind is right from the Mago fight something had to be taken out of Perez given how brutal both his last two fights were.



I believe that at this moment Jennings is the best American heavyweight on the scene. He is further along and more experienced against better opposition than any US heavyweight. The improvement he has showed each time out recently has been impressive. His last fight for example against his toughest for to date was Jennings' most impressive performance inside the ring. He still is learning and still has upside."




Nice call Oubobcat... Personally I was paralyzed with indecision. But it was interesting watching the drama unfold...although a bit dull due to the lack of consistent, effective offense from either fighter.



Jennings is the Chris Algieri of American heavies, he's better than those late starting, amateurless converted football players... But substitutes true boxing ability with a high degree of athleticism to supliment his lack of experience.



These "self-made" boxers only limitations may just be their own level of comittment and determination. But I think Jennings reaches the end of the line when he faces the winner of Wilder vs Stiverne. Although either scenario is better than facing Klitschko.



I think Wilder knocks him cold and Stiverne is too sharp to lose more than a couple of rounds.

Although neither of those fights should be as ugly as his brawl with the fat Cuban.

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Bernie Campbell:

party...where all the beautiful boxing celebrities go...wheres samil samil sam... was he invited......hows inviting ex-showtime announcer karen bryat....ill be there then!

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stormcentre:

"One thing is for sure, a lot of big name guys will avoid GGG for one reason or another but if HBO put up decent money, Froch will take the fight in a heartbeat. As I posted earlier, I think it's a bad move for GGG, but if he wants to break into the big time, Froch is the easiest fight to make because he'll fight anybody and he'll travel across the Atlantic if he has to.
As for this stuff about GGG as an ATG, it's way, way premature. He has potential, but I would query how many wins he'd get out of Toney, McCallum, Nunn or Hopkins peak on peak, never mind the upper echelon of 160lb ATGs."


All very good points IMO.

Toney, Nunn, McCallum, Hopkins, and even (Nigel) Ben; would show how and where our middleweight division is today.

Froch, in England or the USA, with the right money offered, would be a good interesting fight too.

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gibola:

One thing is for sure, a lot of big name guys will avoid GGG for one reason or another but if HBO put up decent money, Froch will take the fight in a heartbeat. As I posted earlier, I think it's a bad move for GGG, but if he wants to break into the big time, Froch is the easiest fight to make because he'll fight anybody and he'll travel across the Atlantic if he has to.

As for this stuff about GGG as an ATG, it's way, way premature. He has potential, but I would query how many wins he'd get out of Toney, McCallum, Nunn or Hopkins peak on peak, never mind the upper echelon of 160lb ATGs.

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stormcentre:

Looks like Perez was not on his "A" game and has been enjoying that Irish pub and craic lifestyle.



I would love to see him seriously get in shape for these fights.

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stormcentre:

Put it in the contract that James can take what he wants beforehand for any reason and cause, and get someone (not me) to seriously insult him on the way up to the ring apron.

That would be a nuclear war whilst it lasted.

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stormcentre:

"how many rounds for Mayweather at 150, Canelo 156ish, JCCjr at 168 and Kirkland at 154."


Oh you stole my thunder . . . I was about to fire in Kirkland.

That would be a good fight no matter what happened and James would both jump at and love the chance.

Lovely!!

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