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Froggy:

"LOL I didn't mean that you weren't but threats other than him. We've all discussed that a million times by now."

Sorry Shadow, when you said aside from "him" I thought you meant Mayweather did not think Pacquiao was a threat ! I should have known "aside from him" meant Pacquiao !

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The Shadow:

"Well, he is entitled to his opinion also !"

LOL I didn't mean that you weren't but threats other than him. We've all discussed that a million times by now.

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Froggy:

"Aside from him."

Well, he is entitled to his opinion also !

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The Shadow:

"There are a lot of people, some right here including me that think Pacquiao is a threat to Mayweather ! I think quite a few people worldwide would agree !"

Aside from him.

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Froggy:

There are a lot of people, some right here including me that think Pacquiao is a threat to Mayweather ! I think quite a few people worldwide would agree !

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The Shadow:

"Could you imagine Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran belittling and insulting each other, chest thumping over the money they make but never fighting each other? Guys like Adonis Stevenson and Floyd Mayweather have contempt for fighters who fight the best and risk losing. They, much like Roy Jones a decade ago, are on network welfare where they are the house fighters making easy money while avoiding their most threatening rivals."



Who's a threat to Floyd Mayweather Jr. right now? 90% of the top welterweights are in the same stable as him.



The only two guys who can threaten him, in my view, are Guillermo Rigondeaux facing a drained Floyd or a drained Andre Ward at 158.



And those guys you mention belittled each other CONSTANTLY. Hagler, Hearns and Duran couldn't stand Ray Leonard.



If you watch this pre-fight interview with Leonard and Hearns, you can hear it for yourself.



If you hear Hagler now, he probably still wants to punch Ray in the face for wasting his time with that press conference announcing that he wouldn't fight.



This sense of nostalgia seems to erase any egregious activity as if it didn't happen. All this posturing happened then as it does now.



Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are no better or worse than the fighters of yesteryear.



In fact, many seem to forget that Manny Pacquiao has been the biggest negotiating headache in the past 10 years, even upsetting Arum with his shenanigans!



What happened with Floyd in 2009 was simply par for the course for that guy, dictating things in Lenin fashion. (Remember the Pac-Hatton negotiations?!) He would agree to a contract then hold out for more money at the last second.



Shane Mosley had to give up his stake in GBP, which he did. Marquez had to leave GBP and sign with Top Rank, which he did.



They tried it with Cotto again in 2011, telling him to cut weight and take the same deal he took in 2009.



Cotto, a businessman/diva in his own right, had just sold like 600K with Margarito -- whom Cotto himself had bossed around -- so Cotto told Manny to kiss his gigantic balls, went on to sign to fight Floyd instead and earned $12-$15m with his 35% upside.



It's just what A-sides do, they throw their weight around where they can. Art of War, 101, the fight begins far before the fight.



When Leonard finally fought Hagler, he did everything to place everything in his favor.



Like a guile, machivellian warrior, Leonard detected weakness in him after Hagler confided in him over a meal, thinking Leonard was retired. From there, he pounced on him like a rabid hyena.



In negotiations, Leonard wanted EVERYTHING in his favor.



"Marvin, I want 12 rounds, not 15."



"Okay, Ray."



"I want more money."



"Okay, Ray."



"I want a bigger ring, Marvin."



"Okay, Ray."



"Oh, and you have to wear these gloves, Marvin."



"Really?"



"Yes. Wear these gloves or we don't fight!"



"OK, whatever, Ray."



"Also, you have to wear my underwear."



"Are you serious, Ray?"



"Yes. No fight."



"Alright. But I'm gonna kick your a$$!"



"Also, one last thing: you gotta brush your teeth with my toothbrush throughout the whole training camp. Otherwise, no fight."



OK, the last two I made up. But everything else was true.



Leonard was a master at pre-fight mind games. He even admitted to pouncing on Roberto Duran when he knew Duran had to cut massive amounts of weight.



Oscar De La Hoya made Mayweather wear heavyweight gloves, made him take far less money.



De La Hoya was trying to pull the same sh*t for the rematch. But Mayweather, having beat De La Hoya and realizing that he now was a comparable draw, said, "**** you, b*tch, I'm retiring."



He refused to then fight him again unless he played ball.



Marquez is doing the same thing, as we speak. He ate crow in every single negotiation so he put his foot down and said "No mas!"



He knows Pacquiao can only get north of 1 million buys with him so he wants close to 40-60 or 50-50 -- especially since he knocked him into next year.



This is part of boxing. It happened then as it happens now.



As time passes, all we remember is the fights.



And that's a good thing.

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Froggy:

The fabulous four did insult and belittle each other to various degrees but for the most part always wanted to fight each other ! Those were the days weren't they !

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Gabrielito:

Could you imagine Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran belittling and insulting each other, chest thumping over the money they make but never fighting each other? Guys like Adonis Stevenson and Floyd Mayweather have contempt for fighters who fight the best and risk losing. They, much like Roy Jones a decade ago, are on network welfare where they are the house fighters making easy money while avoiding their most threatening rivals.

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The Commish:

"Tim Lane's bizarre statements were not of because he might be on drugs. They were because he probably needs to be on some drugs. Hehehehe! Holla!"

Lol!!! I am gonna' use that line on the air, Radam...will give you credit!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Cool. A great after Thanksgiving treat. I have Optimum what channel is espn3?"

I don't know what channel ESPN3 is on Optimum. Look through your listings. I'm sure it will be there.

Still want you in-studio with Cooney, me and The Shadow.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"ESPN3 to Present Exclusive Live U.S. Coverage of Fury vs. Chisora Heavyweight Rematch Live on Saturday ESPN3 Presentation Includes: Gavin vs. Skeete Welterweight Fight and Saunders vs. Eubank Jr. WBO Middleweight World Title Eliminator
ESPN3 will present exclusive live coverage in the U.S. of the 12-round Heavyweight rematch between British contenders Tyson Fury (22-0, 16 KOs) and Dereck Chisora (20-4, 13 KOs), which will take place at the ExCel Arena in London on Saturday, November 29. The winner of the fight will become the mandatory challenger for Wladimir Klitschko’s WBO Heavyweight title. ESPN3’s coverage of the card will begin at 3:40 p.m. ET. / / Prior to the main event, ESPN3 will feature the 12-round Welterweight contest between Frankie Gavin (20-1, 13 KOs) and Bradley Skeete (18-0, 7 KOs) and the WBO Middleweight world title eliminator bout between Billy Joe Saunders (20-0, 11 KOs) and Chris Eubank Jr. (17-0, 12 KOs). Saturday’s card is promoted by Queensberry Promotions."


Me and a bunch of my sons-in-law will be in front of the big-screen TV on Saturday, watching what just may be the finest televised offering of boxing yet in 2014.

Saunders-Eubank is going to be interesting just because of the enormous love and respect each man has for the other (Not!).

Skeet and Gavin are two enormous talents who will be battling for the Commonwealth & BBBofC Welterweight crowns. Skeete has had a stellar year,going 4-0 and stopping his last three opponents inside of seven rounds. At 27, this boxer/puncher looks to be getting better with every outing. His decision victory wass a near 12-round shutout of Christopher Sebire.

Gavin's lone loss came last August, when he dropped a 12-round split decision to 30-0 Leonardo Bundu in a fight which still has fans calling for a rematch. His other two outings in 2014 were vicctories, one by a one-sided 12-round decision against Sacky Shikukutu, the other against Mate Hornyak.

The fight i am most waiting for is Fury-Chisora. This is the one which will begin the official resurrection of the heavyweight division (the next one being Bermane Stiverne-Deontay Wilder on January 17).

This is a long-awaited, once-postponed battle for both vacant BBBofC Heavyweight Title and the European Heavyweight Championship. But more than that, it is for U.K. bragging rights and the right to move in line to be next to get hammered by four belt-titleholder Wladimir Klitschko (WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO) in 2015.

If you get ESPN3 as many of us do, this is a Thanksgiving gift from ESPN3 to all of us.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

Tim Lane's bizarre statements were not of because he might be on drugs. They were because he probably needs to be on some drugs. Hehehehe! Holla!

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Kid Blast:

Thank you, but no more of Algieri. He stunk the place up and you know it, Manny Knows it, Arum knows it, Chris knows it, Roach knows it and everyone who witnessed this farce knows it. Let's move on and past the "Huntington Heartthrob."

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The Shadow:

"Until Team Da Manny's advisor the Canadian Shadow pops up declares that Kenducky Floyd Chicken is locked, loaded and ready to dance with Da Manny, don't believe the umpteen mirage stories. Holla!"

I understand he's your boy and all but you're better than that, Sensei.

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Radam G:

Until Team Da Manny's advisor the Canadian Shadow pops up declares that Kenducky Floyd Chicken is locked, loaded and ready to dance with Da Manny, don't believe the umpteen mirage stories. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"If this fight happens I will buy the Samsung 78" curved TV"

I'm bringing the Budweisers, brother.

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deepwater2:

If this fight happens I will buy the Samsung 78" curved TV

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Carmine Cas:

Bahahaha that was pretty funny, what's going on with Adonis Stevenson? He's wasting momentum.

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deepwater2:

"That was quite a flurry ! I hope the fight happens I think it would be a good one, it sure would make money !"



He pimp slapped the convicted pimp. tsAH might have to tug on the string that controls his puppet. Good one Leon.

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deepwater2:

"I will be watching (I hope a lot of us watch) on ESPN3.



-Randy G."




Cool. A great after Thanksgiving treat. I have Optimum what channel is espn3?

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Froggy:

That was quite a flurry ! I hope the fight happens I think it would be a good one, it sure would make money !

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Froggy:

That is music to my ears, Randy G !

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The Commish:

My sources tell me Marsa Bob, also known as the Bobfather, is ready to throw his Manny Pqcquiao in with Floyd Mayweather before Pacman takes a fight for "short" money (only a few million!) instead of tens of milions and loses. It's happened before. But, even with the big KO hung of Pacman by Juan Manuel Marquez, Marsa Bob and crew were able to resurrect the legendary Filipino.

There will be no more resurrections of Pacman. No more rebuilding. If/when he loses again, it game, set, match, career. Over. Then comes the five-year wait for the call to the Hall.

Marsa Bob knows it's time. The clock is ticking onm what may well be the final--annd biggest--PPV event of his Hall-of-Fame career, however he may be involved.

I have heard from very reliable sources that Al Haymon is working on a project which will change how we, as consumers and viewers, watch our favorite sport. It once was on free TV. Then the bigger fights went to closed-circuit viewing (movie theatres and halls). Next came PPV. The next stop will be Haymon's project.

Why do you think he has signed 200+ fighters? So he can have 200+ headaches?

Hell, no!

Al Haymon, a brilliant businessman, has a plan which will change the way we view the sport. Our love and passion for the sport will make Haymon, the fighters he signs and those around him rich. Very rich.

The Shadow has touched on Haymon's plan in Post #6.

Pacquiao-Mayweather (or Mayweather-Pacquiao , depending on which side of the fence you are on) will take place in 2015. I repeat, the fight WILL take place in 2015. There will be all kinds of percentage breakdowns and PPV percentage guarantees and bonuses according to the amount of PPV buys that will spin your head, and it will take a team of top-level accountants to figure all of that out as well as a few Tax Lawyers to sift through the piles of cash this fight willl generate.

But, when it's all said and done, and before the end of 2015, Manny Pacquiao will be in the ring against Floyd Mayweather.

I am once again a believer that it is going to happen.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Certainly not. From what I've seen of him in the gym and on video he seems like he's got a massive chip on his shoulder.. I could be wrong but it seems he's boxing as if to prove to someone else that he is able to, rather than doing it for the love of it. It's not a bad thing necessarily, but I get a sense that he's at war internally and that's going to take a toll in the long run.

Billy Joe is going to teach him a lesson!"


I will be watching (I hope a lot of us watch) on ESPN3.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"The latest is that the payouts being proposed are 100mil to Floyd, 60mil to Manny.

Believe it when I see it. To me, we have seen this movie before and we know who dies at the end.

I still think that this will not happen. (Hope I am wrong)"


While that split sounds sound, unless they unveil their McMahon model, that Aussie report got the figures all fudged up.

It's almost absurd. It doesn't hit a billion unless they suddenly create a massive PPV market in China.

As you know very well, if and when it happens, they will/should be thrilled to net $125 million from domestic PPV, a revenue stream totaling about 80% of the pot. (Around 2.5 to 3m PPV subscriptions at an inflated price point.)

This would be a fun business case. I'm actually co-writing a curriculum for a new MBA course in Canada. I should put that in there just for sh*ts and giggles. LOL.

Here's something many aren't talking about: the reason Leslie might be rushing to make this deal could be the fact that in one to two years, PPV, as we know it, may cease to exist.

Imagine Haymon & Co. unveiling their OTT network to be launched with Mayweather-Pacquiao where fans can see The Fight, plus all PPVs for the rest of the year for a one-time sign-on fee of $49.95 and $19.95/month thereafter.

Or something along those lines.

If you're gunning for 3 million viewers, you could easily capture about 1 million subscribers from OTT alone with about 2m buys --via traditional PPV-- from the casual fans, the market that would be fueling this promotion anyway.

There is so much upside to this sh*t. But they only have one shot to do it right. So I doubt they're rushing anything.

Big Les would be crapping his pants. Even though CBS profits little from PPV, that PPV adds HUMONGOUS revenue on the balance sheet.

Gotta look good for the stake/shareholders.

On a different note, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stephen Espinoza resigning from SHO sometime in 2016. He misses his two BFFs.

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mortcola:

Brilliant article, Commish.



Gotta hand it to C-Al for taking the opportunity, and lord knows he worked hard in training. But the stuff he needed to not just win, but to put on a good show, be the fast-developing prodigy I and a lot of others thought he was, was replaced by grandiose illusions, slogans. He dd some good early defensive work, landed some clean leads.....and then I had this uh-oh feeling, even my wife who does not like boxing said it, Pac seemed merely annoyed. A guy stepping up that high that fast needs his punches to have some reality to them. Not just ego and a few slick moves. This is something that Radam makes clear in his own way.



So, C-Al, good on ya mate for taking the chance, and for never quitting....but if you're going to have a better legacy than this last fight, you need to prepare for true warriors who will have to worry about your weapons and what they can do. That's what's missing, along with the big E.

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The Good Doctor:

The latest is that the payouts being proposed are 100mil to Floyd, 60mil to Manny.



Believe it when I see it. To me, we have seen this movie before and we know who dies at the end.



I still think that this will not happen. (Hope I am wrong)

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The Shadow:

LOL that would be something, wouldn't it? Hahaha, "Bigfoot on tape..."

CC, I haven't heard anything at all but a bunch of conflicting rumors.

What I do know is that both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao want it badly, though Mayweather has been somewhat nonchalant about it in recent years.

In the past few months, there have been offers thrown back and forth.

(As for rematch clauses, that indicates nothing, as you say. He's had them in contracts since he fought Shane Mosley. Plus, I heard as far back as 2011 from people in his camp that Floyd wanted Manny for two fights.)

But I also know that as a great a businessman as he is, Bob Arum is a vindictive, petty old man (just ask Randy) with a desire to be in command and a tendency to spin the truth.

Mayweather, on the other hand, is an entitled superstar with diva tendencies who refuses to be dictated to.

Arum is a boss. He likes to barge in a room, swinging his ****, to show who the gorilla in the room is. He cannot stand not being in command -- especially not with one of his former fighters.

This irks him. Trust me. Again, just ask the Commish who's felt the personal/professional wrath of the Bobfather before.

And with Mayweather, seeing as he's the undisputed top box office attraction, anyone who tries to even remotely dictate anything to him is a non-starter.

This is what I see: Bob Arum and Les Moonves are personal friends. They've met about this earlier this year, as well. While nothing official came of that, at least it's a positive sign.

Like Skibbz says, one can only hope. But we've been down this road too many times before.

In the past, like now, Arum was the one who was doing all the talking while Mayweather would remain silent. Inevitably, Arum would disrespect Mayweather. Nothing further would come of it.

They can say and do what they want. Until they get the principal in a room, I will remain skeptical.

But who knows, maybe they have?!

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deepwater2:

The shadow should met up with tsAH ,with a hidden camera and ask him some questions, and put it on here.

He will become a legend. It's like getting Bigfoot on tape.

With a billion dollar fight the boxing universe will come together and put on the pressure to make the fight. A billion $$$.

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Skibbz:

I think a great fight to see would be Thurman and Broner at 147, and in my opinion it wouldn't be hard to persuade Broner of his shot. Broner might not like fighting at 140 because of the restriction it naturally imposes on his diet and giving him that 7lb room might tempt his sweet tooth into the fight.. Not mentioning the money and hype this fight could generate.

Brook Thurman is one for the future, Brook would look to box Thurman and his shots would slowly take their toll but Thurman's got good skills himself and of course he's got the '1 time' power. I want to see that fight made, as much as Thurman facing Khan, Thurman facing Floyd.. Pretty much Thurman facing anyone, he's entertaining in the ring and seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

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