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Froggy:

What a bunch of punches Skibbz and some great one punch KO's !

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Radam G:

"Cooney has forgotten more than Tim Lane has forgotten and would fit well but as you've said before Algieri has to make the first move... It's barely been a week since, but a week's a long time and the world doesn't wait for no man!



The Shadow is getting some 1 on 1 with Cooney?! Sounds great for Shadow I'm sure he can be taught a lot especially by Gerry. How's the amateur career going my man, had any recent fights? Are you still planning to compete for the Danish Amateur title? Give us an update on how it's going we're eager to know!!"




Wow! I see now. The Shadow winning that Danish Amateur title with "G"GC and the Commish working his corner and me hiding in plain sight cheering them on.



Holla at "G"GC's amateur career before time -- I mean most us -- was born: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iog6e9DsSfM. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy9sQSKIPBY. Holla!

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Froggy:

Great KO video Randy G, the first of many I trust !

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Skibbz:

Congrats commish and what a KO!!

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Skibbz:

"Yup! To be a sweet SCIENTIST means understanding physics, geometry, psychology, and existential philosophy - you create your nature by the choices you make - and a jazz master. Thinking quick under pain of death to put it all together. School is good - but even the uneducated by school standards have learned from the universe. And experience, if you survive long enough to get it, is where the casserole bakes, and courage to keep it from falling apart. There are no dummies who get or stay at the top notches of boxing."

Nice post Mort, boxing is much more than meets the eye!

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Skibbz:

Cooney has forgotten more than Tim Lane has forgotten and would fit well but as you've said before Algieri has to make the first move... It's barely been a week since, but a week's a long time and the world doesn't wait for no man!



The Shadow is getting some 1 on 1 with Cooney?! Sounds great for Shadow I'm sure he can be taught a lot especially by Gerry. How's the amateur career going my man, had any recent fights? Are you still planning to compete for the Danish Amateur title? Give us an update on how it's going we're eager to know!!

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The Commish:

Nobody in the area has seen/spoken to Chris Algieri since Saturday night. Here in the Huntington, L.I. area, there have been no Algieri sightings as far as I know. Nonde of the local boxing gyms have reported an Algieri sighting.

I just know that change is necessary. If not a complete change, then an addition. An addition with a voice in the camp, an addition with a voice in strategy, an addition who will not be opposed by the rest of the team. It's either that or the rest of the team takes a walk.

I know how Gerry Cooney can be in the gym. I have watched him on many occasions, working with both Wall Street types and professional fighters. He talks. They listen.

He shows by example. One guy who loves working with him in the gym is a young amateur fighter from Copenhagen, Denmark, who now lives and works in NYC. He calls himself The Shadow.

The Shadow often meets Cooney in the Everlast gym in Hoboken, NJ, on Saturday mornings and picks up some valuable tips from the former heavyweight contender who could probably wipe out, despite his age, most of the heavyweight division today.

Cooney knows how to fight. He knows how to punch and he knows how to punch with power. He will be able to teach Chris Algieri many of the finer points of boxing which his current coaches have done an awful job in doing.

One of those points is clinching. While I have gotten on Wladimir Klitschko for abusing the clinch, Algieri NEVER clinches. I don't think he knows what a clinch is. When as guy gets close, Algieri doesn't flurry on the inside then clinch. He simply gets up on his toes and moves...and moves some more. No clinching. Just moving.

A few weeks ago, Cooney was showing me a little trick to be used in close, while engaged in a clinch. Algieri certainly can use pointers like this.

Then, there's the left jab and the left hook. It's not that Algieri has been taught wrong. It's just that he hasn't been taught correctly. Algieri has the size and athleticism to be able to throw that jab with whiplike power, to land it and let the opponent know he has just been hit. Now, that jab is just a pesky but harmless gnat buzzing around in an opponent's face.

Algieri may be home, but he's laying low, probably for the Thanksgiving holiday. I'm sure today he will give thanks that he went into boxing and bailed out of kickboxing. I can think of over one million reasons why he shoulkd be thankful. But, he may also give serious thought that, while he left kickboxing behind, he should also leave his kickboxing trainer, Tim Lane, behind.

Before he starts looking to move to the West Coast, seeing what guys like Virgil Hunter or Robert Garcia can do, he needs to look no further than Hoboken, New Jersey--a 10-minute ride from New York City, and the Everlast Gym.

In there, he'll find a 6' 6 1/2", 250-pound, 58-year-old gray-haired trainer who still puts on the gloves and spars with everybody who wants to spar with him and who is still capable of bending heavy bags with his power shots.

That big man, Gerry Cooney, has forgotten more about boxing than Tim Lane will ever know or can ever teach.

Happy Thanksgiving, Chris. You have a lot to be thankful for.

Now, be thankful that your next trainer may only be 25 miles away from you--not 2,500 miles.

-Randy G.

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mortcola:

"YUP! Tim Lane was the one getting it from this Universe, which wouldn't be hating on C-Al's education. We would be like kettles calling the pots black.

This Universe is mucho intelligente y educatio. Dumb boxers, and dummy fans following boxers, is a myth and a big LIE!

Da Manny also has an academic master's degree, he is a congressman and an army colonel in the P-Islands.

Let me remind you guys here that while Da Manny was whuppin' arse to become a champ in eight divisions, he was hitting those books and attending classes, in which he got his high school degree and three college degrees. Holla!"


Yup! To be a sweet SCIENTIST means understanding physics, geometry, psychology, and existential philosophy - you create your nature by the choices you make - and a jazz master. Thinking quick under pain of death to put it all together. School is good - but even the uneducated by school standards have learned from the universe. And experience, if you survive long enough to get it, is where the casserole bakes, and courage to keep it from falling apart. There are no dummies who get or stay at the top notches of boxing.

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Radam G:

Hehehehe! Just believe it, and you can conceive it.

Way da go, Commish! You did it! You da MAN! Holla!

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The Commish:

"Wow! What hits! One time, and all those suckas hit da pits. Hehe! Holla?"


The way I see it: They were all done in, by one shot to the chin!

BOOM!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

Wow! What hits! One time, and all those suckas hit da pits. Hehe! Holla?

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The Commish:

Wow! I did it! I posted a video!!!!

Radam!!! I did it!!!!

Shadow!!! I did it!!!

Skibzz!!!! I did it!!!

I'm loving this Boxing Channel more and more.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"This fortnight we haven't bucked the usual trend, TSS is getting all the posts and the christened Bastard Child aka TBC is getting none of the action. It's a $500 top prize for both forums!! All that running from TBC is going to give you guys blisters, sit down and start slugging on the dark side and chances are you'll be on the winner's podium come the 1st!



We've had many great posts following the build up and after math of Saturday's fights, but on the calendar is another great fight night on the 29th so there's still time to throw that lucky one time...!!



And remember... It only takes one time!





Those were some terrific one-punch KO's. I loved the Deontay Wilder one (being a Big D guy all the way) & hated seeing the Hamed-Kelley stoppage again (Kelley is a close friend & it pained me to see him lose to such a creep as Hamed (I worked with Hamed for one fight, but that's another story for another time!).



Here's my favorite one from 2014. I hope it works (it's the first time I am posting a video (I may have done it once before, but The Shadow helped me while we were in the studio).





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_NyqeNLheQ&feature=youtube_data_player



-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"Ever seen his Dad fight?

There's your answer to how/why Eubank Jr. is the way he is.

Rarely - perhaps with the exception of Naseem Hamed - was there ever a more entertainingly arrogant and disrespectful fighter that threw such obviously spiteful punches.

I used to love watching Eubank Sr. strutting back to his corner full of contempt after a round, egotistically looking down his nose and/or over his shoulder to the crowd and/or opponent; almost as if the judges, referee and even the crowd's approval were not needed to define his progress and self worth.

Brilliant stuff.

He, of course, could back such acts up.

Soon we will see if junior can too.

Mind you, Billy Joe Saunders, isn't exactly an unconfident, quiet introvert either.

:cool:"


Several times, I didn't live far from York Hall at when I was young and we had a friend who's dad worked the doors. We'd turn up and sneak in making our way to the balcony and watch the fights almost every week. I remember Eubank looked as if he was taking it all in, he often looked like he had a deep sense of spite.

He had this awkward style with his elbows not tucked in and crouching a bit, but his jabs were like flashes and if he hit you with the right you dropped. Now I think I distinctly remember one fight, he lured his opponent onto a right straight which sent him over backwards, ref gave him a count and he got up, but as soon as the ref resumed the action he took a knee! The ref said no you don't and told him to get up! I hadn't seen anything like that before. In the second round Chris landed a right to the body and a right to the head that had his man sprawled on his back completely out.

Now his son has decided to follow on in the same vain.. Has the apple fallen not far from the tree or is it a show for our eyes? I think it's the latter but we will find out this weekend.

And you're right but Billy Joe has built his confidence through his career. When you take stock of his background and compare it to his accomplishments thus far (with a similar number of pro fights as Chris) then you start to see the vast gulf of difference between the two. One is his own man, bearing all the burden on his own back and carrying it all forward whilst the other is building up his own with that of his father. I know which man I prefer storm!

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Skibbz:

"
Nailed it Commish. The kid needs boxing people around him. Glass half full = he survived 12 rounds with the best fighter in the world (no worst than 2nd anyway) Glass half empty=had no idea of how to win."


Very well put, certainly a glass half full perspective from me. Also the difference between watching the fight with your head and your heart.

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Skibbz:

"Until Team Da Manny's advisor the Canadian Shadow pops up declares that Kenducky Floyd Chicken is locked, loaded and ready to dance with Da Manny, don't believe the umpteen mirage stories. Holla!"

We won't believe them but we will keep the candle of hope lit RG. It's like gambling with your heart and ignoring your head... all we have is hope!

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Skibbz:

It's not just Lane who has the background in kickboxing but also Algieri. That's why he squares up so much but coming from such a different base he's really tried to jump out of the mold of a kickboxer and into the one of a boxer. I think what that's done to him is tell him to not do what you're expected to do in kickboxing, that is to fight and exchange blows, and instead fight behind the fundamental weapon, the jab, and "hit and not get hit".

Algieri's taken those two with him and built his style around it but I think he would do much better if he tried to incorporate some kickboxing into his boxing. By that I mean actually remain in front of your opponent and try to land something that will hurt him.

To add, one thing Algieri said that showed his immense lack of experience was that "if you can hit a guy, you can hurt him, and if you can hurt him you can knock him out".. Now either he's deliberately pulling our legs or he simply doesn't know that the statement he made is not true..

Ultimately I think there are more questions surrounding Algieri than simply his coach. He is in my eyes still heavily a work in progress, ignoring the changes needed to be wrought with his team.

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Skibbz:

I believe most of you who know the sport knew deep down it was going to be a one sided affair. Sure Algieri and his team (read coach Lane in muay thai shorts) had to talk up the fight but for me hearing a constant slew of arrogance from Algieri was so off putting that in the end I wanted to see him get beaten up and brought down to earth.

It's like he would hear the promotional talk from Arum and it would act like helium to his head and take him up to the clouds. At the end of the day he got his just deserts and he didn't put up much of a fight no matter how you try cut it. For someone with his height, reach and stamina you'd think he might take a leaf out of Hearns' book but instead Algieri has taken the path of the 'master boxer'. Maybe he should go become an amateur, he might fair better.

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TotoyBato:

Barrerra was plain confused by the aggression, speed, pace, angles and power of punches; he never seen anything like it. Morales & Marquez learned how to deal with the speed, pace & angles but did not expect that power to be as such. Morales just eventually could not deal with the power & aggression, Marquez learned how to deal with it and work it to his advantage. DelaHoya was deer frozen in headlights, so diminished he could not pull the trigger. Diaz & Hatton came out swinging thinking Pacquiao was just a little man; Diaz & Hatton went down hard. Cotto came in to fight and give all (like always) he got beat. Margarito came forward like a big man hoping to land one debilitating punch; the little guy destroyed his face. Clottey played his peek-a-boo but the volume of punches did not let him set for any kind of offense (none at all). The speed & angles confused him he could not see or figure out behind his earmuffs, Pacquiao even landed two hands at the same time while being square right in front of Clottey. Tough man Mosley felt the power and became so amicable; Pacquiao obliged by granting an easy sparring session. Durable speedster Bradley could not deal with the speed, angles & power, the pace and aggression are diminished at this point. Same with Rios, he kept trudging on forward but has nothing in his skill set, he looked like a walking heavy bag. Keep in mind that Pacquiao's aggression is really diminished at this point. Here comes Algieri; he came to run. Flight mode from the very start, could not deal with the speed, angles & power. Algieri was on his bike backpedalling all the time, did not set to mount a meaningful offense. All the knockdowns were legit. I've never seen a boxer throw himself (with such speed and disregard for balance) backwards after just one punch to end up falling on his own face. The wide karate stance served fleet foot Algieri's way of running away. His hand techniques produced pitter-patter hits that conveyed the "don't come near me please" message. Algieri and his corner clearly showed that they do not belong in that level. Did Algieri and his corner really expect Pacquiao to come in wide open? The fools don't understand that boxing master Marquez created the situation for his perfect punch by laying out the perfect undetectable bait. They don't understand that that Marquez is a master of unequalled skill. If Algieri came in to throw down and leave everything in the ring he could have been knocked out far worst than Hatton was or beat up worst than Margarito. It's very hard to make a fight if the other party is in the non-fight flight mode. The burden was on Pacquiao (like always) to make the fight show. And Pacquiao did by displaying a superior master class; totally dominating and humiliating the undefeated Algieri who's skill set was shown to be vastly inferior and was in flight mode the whole time. Algieri was a harmless walking double ended speed bag, he gave Pacquiao a good cardio workout.

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King Beef:

Gotta luv the Punisher's spirit!

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King Beef:

"Agreed KB if Maidana can win a few rounds and rough up Mayweather, whats Pacquiao going to do ?"



Different fighter, different style; Pac is not gonna come in @ 165ish and bull rush. I have to say if they were to get it on, (which I still highly doubt) It would be interesting to see if May does hit the ropes without having to face a bigger opponent. I am liking Pac's chances alittle more lately, but still think he has to catch him with something early AND finish the job, otherwise the longer the fight goes May will adjust.

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Radam G:

YUP! Tim Lane was the one getting it from this Universe, which wouldn't be hating on C-Al's education. We would be like kettles calling the pots black.

This Universe is mucho intelligente y educatio. Dumb boxers, and dummy fans following boxers, is a myth and a big LIE!

Da Manny also has an academic master's degree, he is a congressman and an army colonel in the P-Islands.

Let me remind you guys here that while Da Manny was whuppin' arse to become a champ in eight divisions, he was hitting those books and attending classes, in which he got his high school degree and three college degrees. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"Certainly not. From what I've seen of him in the gym and on video he seems like he's got a massive chip on his shoulder.. I could be wrong but it seems he's boxing as if to prove to someone else that he is able to, rather than doing it for the love of it. It's not a bad thing necessarily, but I get a sense that he's at war internally and that's going to take a toll in the long run.

Billy Joe is going to teach him a lesson!"


Ever seen his Dad fight?

There's your answer to how/why Eubank Jr. is the way he is.

Rarely - perhaps with the exception of Naseem Hamed - was there ever a more entertainingly arrogant and disrespectful fighter that threw such obviously spiteful punches.

I used to love watching Eubank Sr. strutting back to his corner full of contempt after a round, egotistically looking down his nose and/or over his shoulder to the crowd and/or opponent; almost as if the judges, referee and even the crowd's approval were not needed to define his progress and self worth.

Brilliant stuff.

He, of course, could back such acts up.

Soon we will see if junior can too.

Mind you, Billy Joe Saunders, isn't exactly an unconfident, quiet introvert either.

:cool:

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deepwater2:

Who is mortcola mad at? I think most of us including me made fun of coach lane because he deserves it. He really does.

Joe Higgins is the man. A decade or so ago ,I ran up some speeding tickets, I owed the court mucho dineros.

Instead of paying money they said community service was ok. I went right to Joe at the PAL and asked if I could help out around the gym. He said sure. I sparred his guys for a month and case closed. Joe is all about hard work and offense. CA knows hard work and under Joe he can focus on offense.

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stormcentre:

My thoughts exactly.

What will this all mean for Andre?

It's highly unlikely that the Goossen family (and Goossen Promotions in any past/current form) feel Andre's (continual) actions and unwillingness to accept decisions/judgments in relation to the legal matter(s) he brought forward, actually increased Dan's happiness in his final years/months.

Which, could mean, Goossen Promotions in its current form may just go on an continue Dan's work/wishes with respect to what is right (in their eyes) for Andre.

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The Commish:

"Great read randy G."


Thanks, BFF. Thanks gang.

-Randy G.

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BFF:

Great read randy G.

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brownsugar:

And then there's also the ominous ommision of any mention of their (once upon a time) flagship fighter Andre Ward, and yet two paragraphs dedicated to prospect-turned-journeyman Chris Areola who has known better days.
This doesn't exactly portray a positive outlook for Ward / Goosen.

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Radam G:

I think TC will win by unanimous decision in a workmanship scrap. The fight is not going to be crap. But it also won't be so great that it will keep Nebraska on the TV-fighting city map. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Beltran moves like a tank and likes to square up to his prey.
Crawford will relish having an opponent who moves half as much as Gamboa.

Fighting at home in front of a supportive crowd, the early action will br tentative.
Late in the fight the action will resemble the kill room in a slaughter house at a major hamburger distributing plant.

The fistic transactions will be adjudicated both ways untill Crawford gains the advantage by virture of his greater speed, mobility, and punch selection.

I think the fight will end with the corner stopping the bout due to Beltran being on the receiving end of too much punishment.

Viewers will be rewarded with a fantastic night of action.

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