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brownsugar:

Del La Hoya made it very clear several days ago that a fight between Floyd and Pac on May 2nd is the only fight that carries the magnitude of marketabiliy to force Canelo off that date.
But will Arum release Pac to compete against one of his own or replace one of the biggest fights of the year with another fighter from his own stable?

In my opinion the most significant two words in this equation is Bob Arum.

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brownsugar:

"Look, this needs to get fixed once and for all. The judging last weekend was hideous in some cases to say the least. I would really like to hear some explanations from these judges as to how they came to their scores in some of these fights.

Did anyone watch the Tyson Cave-Oscar Excandon fight? That was by far the worst scores of the three controversial fights from last weekend. Cave dominated the fight. Escandon was off balance and unable to get punches off all night. When he did throw, he missed often. Cave boxed circles around him. It was an easy fight to score. If you were generous, and I mean generous, Escandon won three rounds. I had it 118-110 for Cave.

But Raul Caiz scored it 117-111 for Escandon. That is a preposterous card to say the least. And Tony Crebs was not much better at 115-113 for Escandon. There is no possible way that Cave could have only won three and five rounds respectively in that fight. No way...I'd really like to hear the round by round explanation from those judges.

Of course, that wasn't the only fight from this weekend. Julie Lederman turned in a horrible card in the Bradley-Chaves fight scoring it for Chaves by a wide margin. That fight turned into a ridiculous draw in a fight that there is no doubt that Bradley easily won. And Mauricio Herrera should have got the nod against Benavidez. At the very least, the margins of those cards were inexplicably wide in the favor of Benavidez.

So how do we fix this. Well, my first suggestion probably won't get much steam but I'll suggest it anyway. Its simple, just take five fifth graders, sit them ringside for a fight and ask them at the end who won. I bet they get it right more often than not and would have had the correct result in the three controversial fights from the weekend.

Okay that realistically won't fly with commissions. So here is what we do. Its time to grade the judges.

Its simple, really. When I was a senior in high school, we had the option of taking one class pass/fail. The grade you received was not "A, B, C, D or F" it was pass or fail. So if you received a "D", on your transcripts all that was shown was "pass."

Grading the judges should be just like that system. Scoring a fight is subjective and we are not always going to agree. And sometimes maybe a card looks bad but is not screaming out loud bad. It won't fail and still passes though we may not completely agree with the scoring.

However Julie Lederman's and Raul Caiz's cards fail. It does not take a panel of experts to see that. Those scores stand out and they need to held accountable for such bad scores. I am not trying to pick on these judges and they weren't the only ones from this weekend that failed. But they were the worst, no doubt.

Basically, a judge's card either passes or fails. We want judges in this sport that receive passing grades consistently. Its not that hard to receive such grades either as again we are failing cards that scream out loud bad.

I understand not everyone is perfect and fails will happen. We all have bad days. But it should be few and far between. Okay, really few and far between. Just a couple and red flag should go up quickly. Get that judge out of the sport.

The judges need to be held accountable. They are impacting these fighters lives in so. many ways. They need to be graded, plain and simple. I bet too if they knew the microscope was on them we'd start seeing better scores. Think about it...at your job, if no accountability then the pressure is off and focus is not there. We are all human, its natural. Why worry and stress if you don't need to? The same thing here...if they know they are being graded, well the focus is going to increase.

One last thought on judging...lets take away a little of the ambiguity and make it once and for all only clean effective punching. Period. End of discussion. No ring generalship,etc. A simple criteria that we all should be able to agree on."


How true

The Tyson Cave fight was very reminiscent of Algieri vs Taylor only more onesided...in Cave's favor.
But nearly the entire boxing community seemed to choose not to acknowledge or comment upon errors made by Lederman and Ciaz that were so egregis they makes CJ Ross's previous hallucinogenic score card look more righteous than the Ten Commandments.

This is one case where Teddy Atlas's rant was well deserved.
I just hope the powers that be in boxing were doing more than just turning down the volume.

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stormcentre:

"I do agree there are reasons the system has not been changed. And some are certainly political.

But its broken. We all know that. So if we all know that, it should be time to do something about it even if the powers that be may not necessarily want to see change.

Grading the judges in a simple system such as I proposed would be a start. As a matter of fact, we can take it out of the commissions hands. As fans, we can get change if our voices are loud enough. If some of us get together and start tracking this, change can occur.

For example, if we see a pattern of a judge grading "F" continually getting fights, start a social media campaign to get that judge out. Publish the scorecards that were in question and ask why they keep getting assignments. It was the voice of the fans mind you that did get CJ Ross out after some questionable scorecards were turned in after high profile fights."



OK - fair enough.

Lobby Dino to set up a UI (user interface) on the website that accepts registered forum user's scores/votes on each judge's performance after significant fights.

Whether the identity of the scorer remains published or not can be up for debate.

I will support it/you so long as the system is not used to vent disappointment, and so long as there is a means by which the judges can also log in and have the right of reply and/or respond to the criticism/applause and explain their actions.

Let's see how much traction it gets.

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Radam G:

"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY



Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above."




As I told CHA! You gotta deal with the reality of the actuality. Pops Joy May is the Mayweather's patriarch. And he is now running syet. So you ought to halt feeding off don't-syet talking say.



Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg.



See! Big POPPA Floyd ain't all crazy. And he cannot stand Paulie, because Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat.



He has admitted that he is bias against Da Manny. But you can find that video. Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"haha





Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys"




That would be a hell of a card!

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Froggy:

Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !

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The Commish:

In reality, Esteban DeJesus shocked the boxing world in 1972, winning a 10-round decision against Roberto Duran in a non-title fight, just five months after Duran savaged and took the lightweight title from Ken Buchanan.



DeJesus' even dropped Duran in the first round with a left hook. DeJesus, who would go on to win a version of the lightweight title, fought Duran twice more, and lost both times. In their first contest, DeJesus brought his A game while Duran was looking past DeJesus.



In a "Dream Fight," !'d love to see a young George Chuvalo in with Wlad Klitschko. While I believe Klitschko would win, it's not inconceivable to me that the ultra-durable Chuvalo, with his strength and heart thrown in, just might be able to weather storm after storm, get in close, rough Klitschko up, find his paper mâché chin and put him to sleep.



Of course, in dream fights, anybody can win.



-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct."

haha


Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys

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Pazuzu:

"



Man up, Adonis.



Man up!



-Randy G."




We're talking about a man who has a criminal record for pimping out and sexually assaulting underage girls.



Ain't gonna happen.



Adonis is a chump. Or, as Kovalev put it earlier this year to Max Kellerman, "(Adonis) is piece of shyt."

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Floyd is this you?"



You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct.

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The Commish:

Suk looked like a frightened rabbit in there, looking for a place to hide from big bad Adonis Stevenson. It was just like the way Stevenson is running from "The Krusha from Russia." Only, Suk at least had the cojones to get into the ring with a guy who terrified him.

Stevenson merely hides behind Al Haymon's overcoat.

Man up, Adonis.

Man up!

-Randy G.

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brownsugar:

John the Beast Mugabi vs Gennady Golovkin.

It's 2014, John Mugabi has 31 straight knocouts, including a ko victory over Chavez Junior at a catch weight of 169 lbs. He's been made the number one challenger at 160 lbs by every alphabet sanctioning body. But it just so happens that none of the other champs are quite ready to face the beast even when threatened with being stripped of their titles.

Jacobs, Quillen, Lemieu, and even Andy Lee find ways to be too busy by either feeding their newborn babies, Participating in polical activism, assisting in feed the hungry drives or carrying sand bags in some foreign country after a being hit by a hurricane.

But there is one fighter who saw Mugabi's destruction of the cement chinned Chavez Jr.... And his juices started flowing. Finally a challenger has emerged...GGG thinks to himself.... he looks like a veddy good boy.
Held 200 ft below ground and locked behind a five inch thick solid iron door the monster stirs.

Gennady's handlers remove the shackles, chains, and restraining bars that have held him in his self imposed imprisonment until a worthy challenger could be found.
*****************************************************************************************************
I know ...sounds like an epic action flick directed by Stephen Chow ( Kung Fun Hustle) but I think Mugabi vs GGG would be and equally epic fight.
When fighters are still undefeated, they usually carry an aura of invincibility and supreme confidence that seems to elevate them to a status of near immortality as the fighter cannot comprehend the meaning of losing a fight......Its a frame of mind in which they usually do their best work.

Even the Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to keep his hands high while chipping away at Mugabi from the out side until the Beast finally revealed his mortal side.

After the fight Hagler literally had knots on his forehead where Mugabi hit him over his high guard. (Who does that???)

I think Golovkin has a 60-40 chance to defeat Mugabi if he can keep from getting cut too badly. I also envision him tasting the canvas at least once or twice for the first time due to his irresistible tendacy to trade. But in the long run Golovkins ability to change the arc of his punches on the fly and land punches from every angle, eventually wears the fearless Mugabi down by the late rounds, ... subsequently ending the fight via stunning KO.

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brownsugar:

I like the list. We've seen some impressive wins but not many battles. The first Floyd vs Maidana is looking better every day

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kenhissner:

This is an excellent article on a young man whose entire life has been dedicated to boxing. His father, Buddy, has been there from the start and is as proud of his son for how he conducts himself as he is of his boxing success at this stage of his career. Dusty has surrounded himself with good people who know the focus is on Dusty and not them. People like Andre Ward have been there for support when needed. Dusty is proud of his heritage and having met him you know he is really focused on what he is all about.

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brownsugar:

He looks like the poster boy for a can of Dinty Moore pork n beans.

But you can't judge a book by its cover in boxing.. However you can get a pretty good estimation of his abilities by checking the expiration date.

Hope he doesn't hurt himself in his quest for a title.

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brownsugar:

Adonis regains a sliver of his swagger with a tedious ko over an obvious set up/tune up opponent. D.S.'s best characteristic was being able to absorb punishment obediently as he seemed to be stuck in retreat and attack mode throughout the fight.
(as has been stated so aptly by previous posters)

Now that Adonis has sufficiently feather dusted the rust from the tools of his trade I hope we can see him wield his considerable power against a worthy opponent or his next fight should be aired exclusively in Canada.

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brownsugar:

"Skills pay the bills but all it takes is a punch to end the fight. Pac has the style to overcome Floyd's Philly crab especially at his advanced age. Can it happen?Yes. But..We won't know until they actually fight. That is why the world wants to see the fight.

Puffy said its all about the Benjamins in the 90's but Freeway Rick Ross(the real Rick Ross not that fat rapper) says better things in 2014:

“I was selling drugs for the CIA and I didn't know it. The same thing might be happening with today’s rappers.” Freeway Rick

Freeway Rick Ross is calling on Jay Z to “do something positive for these lost teenagers.” Know why? Because the reformed drug kingpin — who’s now using his story as an example to scare teens straight — explains that rappers, like Jay Z, are responsible for dealing ignorance through their music.

“Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.”

When I asked Freeway Rick about Jay Z’s deal with Barneys New York, here’s what he had to say:

“Jay Z is the one sending kids to the store to spend big bucks on material things. What Jay Z raps about these kids can’t afford to buy. If you went to college, you’ll be lucky to make 80-100K a year. That’s if you even get a job. These kids are going to sell drugs, steal or sell their bodies for the material stuff Jay and other rappers are talking about.

These kids don’t read. They believe everything these rappers and the media tells them. I had one kid ask me why I call myself Rick Ross.

I don’t hate Jay Z, but I wish he’ll do something positive for these lost teenagers. Jay is making a lot of money so he could bring positive workshops to the ghetto. Bring the lawyers and doctors to the ghetto to speak to these kids. I’m truly sorry for what I have done to my people and society and if Jay was a drug dealer in his past he should feel the same. Jay told everybody to stop drinking Cristal and everybody listened to him. Why doesn’t he use that power to tell our teenagers to stop living so dark? He can’t. Know why? Because Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.”"


I like what you said there.... You made a very valid point.

One of my in-laws is in the music industry once told me the reason why so much "foul, obscene, and misogynistic" lyrics are found in urban style music today is because there is pressure from most music producers to publish lewd classless music mouthed by people who sound like uneducated gangsters, because there is financial proof that its sells....and it sells big.

Inner-city youth and well to do suburbanites alike have both become fascinated & infatuated with the raw vulgarity and blatant ignorance of the gangsta sound to the point where most producers will scrap a lot of original and creative works oniy to force fledgling artists to go back and mimic the existing template if they want to get ahead. As a result there are a lot of frustrated artists

The driving force is the producers and publishers who don't give a damn about the negative influences it provides because all they care about is the bottom line. J-Z is only the tip of the iceberg...but at least he does publish some music that can be considered as art.

the reason why most of the mainstream rap is dominated by subject matter about booty, cash, and possessing power. Is because The music industry as a whole is driven by a template that they rarely deviate from.

The movie industry piggy-backs off the same vibe as the music industry as a whole and has to become increasingly raunchy and shocking in an effort to keep up with the increasingly jaded public.
Its only going to get worse.

My daughter has been trying to get produced for years. I listened to a song she made recently and it was filled with such an intense sense of dispair and misery Im positive she could find a huge market for it if she could get published. I just hope suicide rates don't go up.

I personally listen to NPR when im driving which plays every thing from blues, historical jazz, rock, fusion....independant, international, new age, even classical, grass roots, and funk. ....music from every culture around the world....from Irish folk music to chanting Tibetin monks....stuff you will never hear over main stream radio. The variety is very liberating and refreshing to the ears.
For those who don't want to get stuck in a rut ....don't listen to mainstream. There is a lot of variety to be found.

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amayseng:

"Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make to Deep. If they ever fight, the victor won't win by KO. It will be a chess match and Floyd is the Bobby Fischer of boxing. Pac is more of a checkers player. Holla!"

Floyd is this you?

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Don't exaggerate anything. He only had two knockouts at welterweight to begin with. All this kayo that had is smokescreen for Money May's bullsyet of roids. Holla!"



Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make to Deep. If they ever fight, the victor won't win by KO. It will be a chess match and Floyd is the Bobby Fischer of boxing. Pac is more of a checkers player. Holla!

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spit bucket:

"TsAH has no shame putting on a joke of a main event like this. Stevenson proclaims himself as the man because know one else will.

Beterbiev was fun to watch."

Boxing loses its soul when the best avoid the best. It also loses a lot of its appeal. No one but Adonis Stevenson's mom wants to watch a mismatch like this. Al Hayman is neutering boxing. Am disappointed that I wasted time watching this crap matchup.

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Radam G:

"Pac hasn't ended a fight at welterweight in how many years? He isn't just all of a sudden going to stop a boxer with a quality chin, which Floyd obviously has.

On another note, I feel you on Jay-Z. I was cheering when Nas ethered his a$$ back in the day!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tub7EoRBwO0"


Don't exaggerate anything. He only had two knockouts at welterweight to begin with. All these kayos that he has had is a smokescreen for Money May's bullsyet of roids. Holla!

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Radam G:

Wow! Refusing to fight somebody until the money is right is as American as apple pie. That still goes on. And it was Johnson who refuses to fight Jeffries and any other "white man" until the powers that be paid him in gold. He did not play paper money. Matter of fact, he mock the racist establishment by putting on his teeth and smiling and grinning at every occasion.

BTW, JSYWK, one other reason that Jeffries came out retirement to fight "Big Smoke," was for family honor -- more than a racist thing.

Johnson had beat the hebejeebeez outta Jeffries's little brother and mocked the heck outta him because big brother had retired without fighting ole' Jack.

As far as links are concern, you can find the whole nine about Jeffries or Johnson on YouTube. Those are umpteen "lookies" there. Holla!

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amayseng:

"Sukhotskiy was no where near a top 10 Light Heavyweight. Its a serious question whether he'd even crack the top 50 in the division.

Sukhotskiy was in survival mode for the first four rounds. Stevenson was cautious early despite all his talk of an early KO and by round four I had fears that this could drag out to a boring 12 round decision. But in the 5th to Sukhotskiy's credit, he did open up a bit. It got him knocked out of course but spared us having to watch a 12 round sparring session.

Back when Hopkins-Kovalev was made, I stated it was a brilliant business move by Hopkins. As long as he did not get obliterated by Kovalev, he'd always have the Stevenson fight for the lineal light heavyweight title to fall back on. It was a no lose situation for Hopkins.

Now I think we see the Stevenson-Hopkins fight get made. With Stevenson tuning down Pascal, who since moved to Kovalev, there are no marketable foes left for him at light heavyweight. Well, with one exception and that is Bernard Hopkins. Stevenson clearly wants to be selective in the opponents he fights. This is why he ducked both Kovalev and Pascal. But a 50 year old Hopkins who is coming off being dominated by Kovalev and who can generate a nice payday for Stevenson, well that is just the fight Stevenson and Haymon desire.

I will state this right now as well. Hopkins beats Stevenson. Stevenson is a counter puncher, period. That's what he does. We saw it in the two fights this year against Fonfara and Sukhotskiy. If the opponent does not lead, there will be dead spots. Once the opponent leads, the left follows. Stevenson fights in the same pattern. Always. Its how Fonfara timed him and put him down in their fight.

And guess who is a master, even at an advanced age, of spotting an opponents weakness or pattern and finding a way to take advantage of it. Well its Hopkins. Hopkins can lull Stevenson into his kind of fight. Hopkins can pot shot and counter the lefts that Stevenson throws in the same pattern all night. It may not be a scintillating fight and it may resemble Hopkins fight with Tavoris Cloud. But its a fight Hopkins can win and dominate.

I look for Stevenson-Hopkins later this year and predict Hopkins will be lineal Light Heavyweight Champion at 50. And will call it a career then on his terms and as lineal champion."


Agreed completely.

I stated this numerous times as well.

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Skills pay the bills but all it takes is a punch to end the fight. Pac has the style to overcome Floyd's Philly crab especially at his advanced age. Can it happen?Yes. But..We won't know until they actually fight. That is why the world wants to see the fight.



Puffy said its all about the Benjamins in the 90's but Freeway Rick Ross(the real Rick Ross not that fat rapper) says better things in 2014:



"I was selling drugs for the CIA and I didn't know it. The same thing might be happening with today's rappers." Freeway Rick



Freeway Rick Ross is calling on Jay Z to "do something positive for these lost teenagers." Know why? Because the reformed drug kingpin - who's now using his story as an example to scare teens straight - explains that rappers, like Jay Z, are responsible for dealing ignorance through their music.



"Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages."



When I asked Freeway Rick about Jay Z's deal with Barneys New York, here's what he had to say:



"Jay Z is the one sending kids to the store to spend big bucks on material things. What Jay Z raps about these kids can't afford to buy. If you went to college, you'll be lucky to make 80-100K a year. That's if you even get a job. These kids are going to sell drugs, steal or sell their bodies for the material stuff Jay and other rappers are talking about.



These kids don't read. They believe everything these rappers and the media tells them. I had one kid ask me why I call myself Rick Ross.



I don't hate Jay Z, but I wish he'll do something positive for these lost teenagers. Jay is making a lot of money so he could bring positive workshops to the ghetto. Bring the lawyers and doctors to the ghetto to speak to these kids. I'm truly sorry for what I have done to my people and society and if Jay was a drug dealer in his past he should feel the same. Jay told everybody to stop drinking Cristal and everybody listened to him. Why doesn't he use that power to tell our teenagers to stop living so dark? He can't. Know why? Because Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.""




Pac hasn't ended a fight at welterweight in how many years? He isn't just all of a sudden going to stop a boxer with a quality chin, which Floyd obviously has.



On another note, I feel you on Jay-Z. I was cheering when Nas ethered his a$$ back in the day!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tub7EoRBwO0

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King Beef:

""



Absolutely nothing I posted is distorted reality. Boxing is and always has been racist but less racist than other sports and entertainment. I've said umpteen times about how no white champ would fight Johnson until Canadian great Tommy Burns gave him a shot.



Besides, you are wrong about Jeffries never fought and/or sparred with black fighters. Holla at the great "Black Prince" Peter Jackson that Jeffries beat. And Jeffries regularly sparred with black pugs. There are even films in existent of it.







I knew that somebody would come at me with dat "GOTCHA" syet. I've not forgot to mention anything. I'm solid as a rock, has the memory by heart of an elephant, and will call a spade a spade, won't hide in the shade and don't have a part in imaginary or real racism that is going on between anybody.



And money always matters. This is why it is call PRIZEFIGHTING. And Money May might come to his senses and stop hiding and being the humbug behind that curtain of his racism. Holla!"






There is no gotcha, just a difference of opinion. I am saying there is no more or less racism, whether it be boxing or anything else. I said Jeffries refuse to fight him (until that $$$ was right) not never fought him, and hook me some links up these films of sparring. Now, my point is its fine for you black fighters to spar, be happy with that, BUT its gonna be some time before you can actually get a shot at the Heavyweight belt....dont' worry it's all good.

Money can't fix that, (All money ain't good money) white wives can't fix that, hook ups don't fix that. I can guarantee that it wasn't all good for him (Johnson) in the America in the early 1900's, (granted he probably had it better than most) money don't change skin color.



Good looking out on Peter Jackson btw.

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oubobcat:

"Good comments OuBobcat.

However I won't hold my breath that anything will be done.

Not in the least as what you propose;

a) Is akin to the courts holding lawyers accountable for their indiscretions, including the fact that lawyers are obliged to notify the courts if/when they feel their clients' affidavits are misleading.

b) Would ensure the big business end of (boxing) town has no way to exert influence over outcomes, fighters and rival promoters and/or businessmen.

I agree that the cards/judging you spoke (wrote?) of was simply abominable and wrong.

There are reasons that we humans don't fix systems that are systemically dysfunctional and repairable, and they usually trace back to plutocracy and/or an evolved familiarity with the "system" which includes the ability to manipulate it and make it work for those that seek control.

Merry Xmas."


I do agree there are reasons the system has not been changed. And some are certainly political.

But its broken. We all know that. So if we all know that, it should be time to do something about it even if the powers that be may not necessarily want to see change.

Grading the judges in a simple system such as I proposed would be a start. As a matter of fact, we can take it out of the commissions hands. As fans, we can get change if our voices are loud enough. If some of us get together and start tracking this, change can occur.

For example, if we see a pattern of a judge grading "F" continually getting fights, start a social media campaign to get that judge out. Publish the scorecards that were in question and ask why they keep getting assignments. It was the voice of the fans mind you that did get CJ Ross out after some questionable scorecards were turned in after high profile fights.

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oubobcat:

Sukhotskiy was no where near a top 10 Light Heavyweight. Its a serious question whether he'd even crack the top 50 in the division.

Sukhotskiy was in survival mode for the first four rounds. Stevenson was cautious early despite all his talk of an early KO and by round four I had fears that this could drag out to a boring 12 round decision. But in the 5th to Sukhotskiy's credit, he did open up a bit. It got him knocked out of course but spared us having to watch a 12 round sparring session.

Back when Hopkins-Kovalev was made, I stated it was a brilliant business move by Hopkins. As long as he did not get obliterated by Kovalev, he'd always have the Stevenson fight for the lineal light heavyweight title to fall back on. It was a no lose situation for Hopkins.

Now I think we see the Stevenson-Hopkins fight get made. With Stevenson tuning down Pascal, who since moved to Kovalev, there are no marketable foes left for him at light heavyweight. Well, with one exception and that is Bernard Hopkins. Stevenson clearly wants to be selective in the opponents he fights. This is why he ducked both Kovalev and Pascal. But a 50 year old Hopkins who is coming off being dominated by Kovalev and who can generate a nice payday for Stevenson, well that is just the fight Stevenson and Haymon desire.

I will state this right now as well. Hopkins beats Stevenson. Stevenson is a counter puncher, period. That's what he does. We saw it in the two fights this year against Fonfara and Sukhotskiy. If the opponent does not lead, there will be dead spots. Once the opponent leads, the left follows. Stevenson fights in the same pattern. Always. Its how Fonfara timed him and put him down in their fight.

And guess who is a master, even at an advanced age, of spotting an opponents weakness or pattern and finding a way to take advantage of it. Well its Hopkins. Hopkins can lull Stevenson into his kind of fight. Hopkins can pot shot and counter the lefts that Stevenson throws in the same pattern all night. It may not be a scintillating fight and it may resemble Hopkins fight with Tavoris Cloud. But its a fight Hopkins can win and dominate.

I look for Stevenson-Hopkins later this year and predict Hopkins will be lineal Light Heavyweight Champion at 50. And will call it a career then on his terms and as lineal champion.

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oubobcat:

Dirrell is working his way back. I got the impression early that he wanted to go rounds here and treated this at times like a glorified sparring session. He is of course still shaking off some rust from almost five years of inactivity. It wasn't the most appealing fight to watch and maybe for his sake would have been better off television. It was what it was frankly.

I guess this was technically a step up for him but that's not saying a lot either.The Froch rematch is not going to happen. We all know that, so does Dirrell. But Froch may have to vacate the IBF belt depending on his course and that is what Haymon is ultimately banking on to get Dirrell a shot.

Dirrell's future depends on Froch. If Froch does not fight DeGale and vacates, we could see Dirrell-DeGale later in 2015. If Froch fights DeGale and wins, then Dirrell sits on the ranking until Froch vacates knowing Froch won't fight him. That means more Derek Edwards type fights for the next year. If DeGale wins, the future is a little more cloudy for Dirrell as who knows if DeGale would jump right into a Dirrell fight. Depending on how the Froch fight played out, DeGale could get a big money rematch or go another direction as well. We'd certainly see some maneuvering from Haymon too.

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stormcentre:

Has anybody at this forum seen this guy fight.

Does anybody at this forum that has seen this guy fight, believe that he is going to make his dreams come true?

Just asking . . . not hating

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stormcentre:

Adonis Stevenson took on Dmitriy Sukhotskiy, but Sukhotskiy didn't really look like he wanted to be in there, especially after he tasted that first clean-connecting left cross from Adonis.

Haymon's cookie cutter is working just fine D2.

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