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The Shadow:

"Right on Amayseng ! Why would Showtime deny him a fight with Golovkin or Pacquaio ? Would they lose money giving boxing fans what they want for a change ? Me thinks not !"

You're right, my Froggy friend. Showtime would love it.

But you're forgetting HBO who has paper on those two guys: HBO! They don't give a flying **** what you and I want, think or desire about those two match-ups.

You think those guys are just going to let them fight elsewhere after signing them up?

Keep in mind that HBO is the same entity that didn't want to show his February fight, yet denied other broadcasters to show it, too!

These are the same guys who really created the divide in the boxing world by boycotting the largest roster of fighters in boxing by far.

And keep in mind, those two guys all signed with HBO after Floyd signed his deal.

And "giving boxing fans what they want for a change?" If it wasn't for Showtime, we wouldn't see Mayweather as active as he's been in about a decade. We'd still see the same once-ever-18 months crap he'd been doing.

Before people started bitching about SHO like Judith Harper bitching about Alan, people need to forget that Showtime, prior to Stephen Espinoza taking the helm, was a second-tier network that only showed reject fights HBO didn't want.

I'm just waiting for people to come out and sue Mayweather and/or Espinoza for the birth of the ebola virus.

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Denise Alvarez:

I finally got to see the Porter-Brook fight and it was close. Porter is a strong, aggressive, quick fighter. I had heard of Brook before but never seen him box. Kell Brook is good and he displayed alot of patience and skill while connecting in his target shots. He did blend in his holding, but he made up for that with his precision shots. The fight was close and l'd like to see a rematch. Shawn Porter will be back.ln the meantime, l like to see that fight between Keith Thurman and Kell Brook, Thurman will take care of Brook!

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Radam G:

"Mike was a huge welter.... I wonder if he can still make weight or if he's moving up? Good luck."

He should be able to make welter. Dude had/has bird legs and needle arms. He even had/has raven shoulders. The right dietitian can squeeze him into a light welterweight. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Mike was a huge welter.... I wonder if he can still make weight or if he's moving up? Good luck.

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Denise Alvarez:

I like Ruslan, he is a powerful slugger. I think he narrowly lost to Chris Algeri, who outboxed Ruslan, but this will probably be a easier fight for him. Rios doesn't box, he just likes to brawl and smother, but Ruslan is going to beat the heck out of Rios. Just might be the lesson Rios needs! Rios might be able to hang for a awhile but wait till the fight is over and see how Rios face looks!

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brownsugar:

Rigo was labeled early and still hasn't completely shaken off the stigma.... His time will come. Hopefully Big Al will let Cruz unleash his volume punching offence against the least hittable boxer in the world according to compubox

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brownsugar:

I see... Due to the many injuries and disfigurements...everyone is moving away from the isopropyl alcohol fire challenge. As recently as several weeks ago the fire challenge was a regular staple of attention seeking teens on YouTube and Facebook.

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brownsugar:

"Rios may be beat to a pulp and end up speaking and acting permanently like the way he was joking around making fun of Roach for having a disability. Karma is a B"



Rios is already slurring his words and has been for the last year. Sometimes its not as pronounced. After his last outing against Chavez it was barely noticable.



Maked me wonder if he's making a conscious effort to completely sound out his words.

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Froggy:

Oh, the irony !

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amayseng:

Rios may be beat to a pulp and end up speaking and acting permanently like the way he was joking around making fun of Roach for having a disability. Karma is a B

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Froggy:

"The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.



He does not want to step up and take the challenge .



Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight."




Right on Amayseng ! Why would Showtime deny him a fight with Golovkin or Pacquaio ? Would they lose money giving boxing fans what they want for a change ? Me thinks not !

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amayseng:

The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.

He does not want to step up and take the challenge .

Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight.

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The Shadow:

"This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.


Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' ""


Deep, good point. But the reason he said health is because he was making the implication that his foe was juiced up. He just can't outright say it because that leads to litigation.

As for Frank, we need to stop discussing this Golovkin fantasy. He's two weight classes above and fighting in a different league (HBO). They both have long-term deals. There is NO way to get around that, feasibly. In theory yes but in reality no.

Tyson-Lewis was a one-off thing, in part because Showtime had advanced Tyson soooooo many millions that they needed to recoup so they said "to hell with it."

Mayweather-Golovkin doesn't do more than 1.2 million buys. The networks won't even consider it with Pacquiao (well, HBO might since they'd get cut in on a deal where there's no need for them), which could do up to 2 million buys or maybe more.

And lastly, Floyd doesn't fight who he wants. Showtime has right of refusal. He can't just rematch Augustus. Or dig up Sharmba Mitchell.

It has to be a viable name with some sort of built-in or built fanbase coming off a good performance.

The list is pretty short:

Cotto
Canelo
Danny Garcia

But he only needs two or three more.

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deepwater2:

This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.





Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' "

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Froggy:

Great article, I hope all Mayweather fans read it !

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riverside:

Hopefully it happens, doesn't look like Brandon Carried his punch from the lightweight division up to welterweight, and there is not way he can keep up with Ruslan in a telephone boot war. I would be surprise if Robert Garcia has Brandon Box a little bit and pick his shot, we would probably see that for the first two rounds. The outcome Brandon will be too brave, his corner will have to come in to rescue his well being.

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amayseng:

"QUOTE=amayseng;61767]Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long."


I'm telling you, it's like when James Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990. Douglas got himself in primo shape for that fight. I believe he was 231 1/2 the night he handed Tyson his first loss. Eight months later, Douglas was 246 in his first defense, which was against Evander Holyfield. On a heavyweight, what's 15 pounds, you ask? Against Holyfield, those 15 pounds looked like 15 tons! Holyfield blew him out of there.

Against Cris "The Nipple" Arreola, Stiverne weighed 239 1/2. Let's see what he weighs when he faces Wilder. From the looks of it, he's a long way from 239 1/2.

-Randy G."

First off Mike beat Douglass in a 13 second count that was not legit.

Secondly Douglass beat Mike because he had just lost his mother and buried her.
Losing a parent, especially one you are close to puts you in a mental state where you literally have no fear and nothing to lose. I can honestly see how Douglass was able to take it to Mike and beat him like he did.

Though yes, his follow up fight he proved he is not a true professional and came in overweight and got shellacked for it.

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Froggy:

If I remember correctly, Buster was paid more to fight Evander than any boxer was ever paid up to that point ! Either way, the way I remember when the referree was making the count it looked like Douglas was just lying there counting the millions in unison with the ref !

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Radam G:

"We have spoken about the traps and pitfalls at length, Deep. I know DW heard me and fully understands what is in front of him.



As far as Al Haymon making things disappear and change, he is not David Blaine, the incredible magician who once removed my watch from my wrist without me even knowing. Haymon is not a magician. He's just a very smart adviser who can do only so much for the people he represents. They must do the rest.



Deontay is already in training, though he isn't going into "Official Training" until he knows the date of his challenge to Bermane Stiverne. Will it be the last week of November? The first week of December? Right now, we don't know.



You might think the longer Stiverne has, the longer time he has to get in shape. Well, that's not necessarily true. When Roberto Duran found out about his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard, he had over two months to cut around 30 pounds. Instead, he took another month and partied even harder. By the time he got down to serious training, he had to lose close to 40 pounds in 40 days.



Insteadof heading into training now, Stiverne may use this time to keep his party going. He may put on even more weight. Then, about 5-6 weeks before the fight, he'll finally get down to serious training. However, instead of having to cut 10-15 pounds, that amount may be more like 40-50 pounds.



Deontay is treating it like Stiverne will be coming in at a trim and ripped 230 pounds. In reality, Stiverne will probably come in around 250.



What I wouldn't give to hear Don King on the phone with Stiverne, calling him every name in the book, with Stiverne promising "Don't worry, Mr. King, I'll be ready! I'll be ready!"



I have heard him on the phone with Greg Page. I have heard him on the phone with Tony Tubbs. He threw everything in his Verbiage Department at them. With Stiverne most likely being Don King's final champion, I'm sure the 'ol promoter has saved some fireworks just for Stiverne.



Stay tuned.



-Randy G."




Hehehe! My boy David Blaine -- DB -- got you. And YUP! Da Don K always seems to get da luv of biggum heavyweights who becomes monster biggums after will winning one of those alphabet-sanctioning title belts. The late "Front Page" GP and chubby-tubby TT could put on weight fast. Something like 30-35 in a week when not training.



By the way, have you seen TT lately? He is training some Russian heavy is what I heard. I also heard that TT is 400 pounds. Do you know if this is true? I've not seen TT in a decade. Holla!

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The Commish:

QUOTE=amayseng;61767]Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long."

I'm telling you, it's like when James Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990. Douglas got himself in primo shape for that fight. I believe he was 231 1/2 the night he handed Tyson his first loss. Eight months later, Douglas was 246 in his first defense, which was against Evander Holyfield. On a heavyweight, what's 15 pounds, you ask? Against Holyfield, those 15 pounds looked like 15 tons! Holyfield blew him out of there.

Against Cris "The Nipple" Arreola, Stiverne weighed 239 1/2. Let's see what he weighs when he faces Wilder. From the looks of it, he's a long way from 239 1/2.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

Stiverne gets a belt then gets out of shape and fat. That's telling. He should be working harder than ever. Last time I checked you can run with a broken hand. In fact he should be more trim.
Look for him to not have this title for long.

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amayseng:

Rigo is a phenom, but if he isn't challenged to where the best is brought out of him offensively, well then he will tank when it comes to making business cents. There is a reason TR let him go.

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The Commish:

"Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse."


We have spoken about the traps and pitfalls at length, Deep. I know DW heard me and fully understands what is in front of him.

As far as Al Haymon making things disappear and change, he is not David Blaine, the incredible magician who once removed my watch from my wrist without me even knowing. Haymon is not a magician. He's just a very smart adviser who can do only so much for the people he represents. They must do the rest.

Deontay is already in training, though he isn't going into "Official Training" until he knows the date of his challenge to Bermane Stiverne. Will it be the last week of November? The first week of December? Right now, we don't know.

You might think the longer Stiverne has, the longer time he has to get in shape. Well, that's not necessarily true. When Roberto Duran found out about his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard, he had over two months to cut around 30 pounds. Instead, he took another month and partied even harder. By the time he got down to serious training, he had to lose close to 40 pounds in 40 days.

Insteadof heading into training now, Stiverne may use this time to keep his party going. He may put on even more weight. Then, about 5-6 weeks before the fight, he'll finally get down to serious training. However, instead of having to cut 10-15 pounds, that amount may be more like 40-50 pounds.

Deontay is treating it like Stiverne will be coming in at a trim and ripped 230 pounds. In reality, Stiverne will probably come in around 250.

What I wouldn't give to hear Don King on the phone with Stiverne, calling him every name in the book, with Stiverne promising "Don't worry, Mr. King, I'll be ready! I'll be ready!"

I have heard him on the phone with Greg Page. I have heard him on the phone with Tony Tubbs. He threw everything in his Verbiage Department at them. With Stiverne most likely being Don King's final champion, I'm sure the 'ol promoter has saved some fireworks just for Stiverne.

Stay tuned.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse."


Those honey traps better be careful or know to kick. Because D-Wild is known be a mean d***. Especially against working girls. But then again, tsAH can make things disappear. Most indiscretions done by tsAH's fighters, judges never hear.

Talking about sweeping stuff under the rug, tsAH gets it done for any pug. Holla!

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Froggy:

I agree with what you said but don't think Donaire would have nearly the same chance at 122 as he might have at featherweight ! I would not mind seeing a rematch though, but I think they would both want to dictate the weight !

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MCM:

I don't disagree that Rigo looks unbeatable for now, and it makes perfect sense that Roc would identify him as the next best fighter in the game. I can't see him losing to anyone besides Donaire, and even then, I'd be surprised.



Surprised, but not shocked. Donaire's fight was strategically backward, and it made the disparity between the boxers appear wider than it really is; Donaire should have known this by R 3, and he must know it now. In a rematch, Donaire would come out bullying the smaller man, and make head-first sallies behind a chin which never quivered under Rigo's blows. Donaire proved he could send his man to the lona, Rigo didn't, and if Donaire can take the strings from Rigo and create some controlled chaos, I could see him standing over his man.



Rico's real good, but I need a Donaire rematch before anointing him unbeatable.

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oubobcat:

It really should come as no surprise that Roc Nation is after Rigo. They need fighters and Rigo is a free agent. Despite his style, he is also considered by many (myself included) as a top pound for pound fighter. So why not try to make a relatively big splash with your first signing.

And it was mentioned earlier in this thread about Roc Nation winning the Quillin-Korobov purse bid. This is absolutely a huge statement by Roc Nation announcing to the boxing world that they are going to be major players. Though they have neither fighter, they made a very large bid to stage the fight. This shows they are serious about this sport and much more serious than say some other newer promoters recently who have tried to break through in the sport. Roc Nation is putting its money where its mouth is and doing what they have to do to stage events in the infancy stages of their boxing promoting days.

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deepwater2:

Don King will try any trick in the book to keep that fight from happening at that time. The hand won't be healed in time, some quack with touched up X-rays might confirm it. Don King will not risk letting a piece of the heavyweight prize out of his grasp.
I can see Don King sending in some honey traps to get into Wilder's head and make his legs weak. Get word to DW Commish , beware any new women popping up and throwing themselves at him. It's a Don King Trojan horse.

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Skibbz:

"Personally I'd love to see this fight. There is no way it can't be good. It would be a slugfest from the moment the opening bell sounds until the fight comes to a conclusion.

For Provodnikov, this fight makes a ton of sense. As we saw in the Algieri fight, Herrera fight and some in the Bradley fight, anyone who gives him movement can have success. Rios though prefers to slug and even if he tried to box is not nearly as athletic or capable to do so as the three above fighters.

For Rios, this fight makes little sense. Provodnikov is relentless and will be pouring on the pressure and punches from the opening bell. This is the kind of fight that could take a lot out of a fighter like Rios. Rios is better off targeting someone else at this point in his career. One fight for example that makes a lot more sense for him right now would be a rubber match against Mike Alvarado."


It would be a great fight for Provodnikov and I think it would be just as good for Rios. He can display his courage to his fans and everyone watching (almost everyone watching) will be on the edge of their seats because every punch could be the final blow.

I'd really like to a determined effort by Ruslan to go to the body... Rios is at home when his brainbox is steeped in treacle so to take him out I think you've got to sink him with torpedos to his body. Target the liver!

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brownsugar:

Ive only followed Stiverne for his last four fights.....

when I saw the two fights he had prior to the first Areola clash he looked like a walrus.... not physically but his body language was slow and lethargic. He seemed either unwilling or unable to turn up the intensity. In the end he won a very dull and uneventful fight against a journeyman.



Even though he won he left an impression of being just another lumbering mass of unmotivated flesh .......dubiously parading himself as another promising heavyweight.



Made me wonder why Don't King was making such a fuss over another unremarkable fighter.



When he fought Areola Stiverne was tremendously sharp and showed a wide range of skills that could only be described as " natural ".



This was in sharp contrast to his previous performance.



Stiverne may be the kind of fighter who only does enough to win.



But with the looming challenge of a pure puncher like Wilder you would think Stiverne wouldn't be susceptible to falling prey to the dreaded " Hatton " syndrome.



Hatton was a beast during his brief prime but lost the battle of self control and discipline to over-indulging in pints of Guiness and Fish & Chips.



Boxers who operate by the belief that they can undo the damage they've wrought on their physique by just working a little harder in camp are in full denial of greater underlying issues and are engaging in the success sapping practice of procrastination.



At 35 years of age Stiverne may find himself betrayed by the silent enemy known as father time.



Marvin Hagler always said the human body is only capable of performing well in a finite number of fights. And after you've exceeded the limit you can't go back.



Odlainier Solis and Mike Perez are two prime examples. Once they added the extra weight they could never get back in prime condition. In fact they just keep getting bigger in every outing. Trapped in thier own self fulfilling prophecy of indulgence.



Its only human nature but fighters are supposed to have the discipline to reject the urges that rule the regular guys.



We'll see how he looks as the fight draws nearer...hopefully Stiverne can overcome and return to form.



Thanks for the pre-pre training report.

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