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dino da vinci:

I want to say the last time I saw him fight was about 20 years ago. Remember absolutely nothing other than he was tough.

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Birddog:

Floyd,the ghost of fights you should have taken will haunt you forevvvvvvvvvver and follow you to the grave and beyond, "Why didn't you fite Pac, or Why didn't Fraud fite Pac, why o why?!

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dino da vinci:

"John the Beast Mugabi vs Gennady Golovkin.

It's 2014, John Mugabi has 31 straight knocouts, including a ko victory over Chavez Junior at a catch weight of 169 lbs. He's been made the number one challenger at 160 lbs by every alphabet sanctioning body. But it just so happens that none of the other champs are quite ready to face the beast even when threatened with being stripped of their titles.

Jacobs, Quillen, Lemieu, and even Andy Lee find ways to be too busy by either feeding their newborn babies, Participating in polical activism, assisting in feed the hungry drives or carrying sand bags in some foreign country after a being hit by a hurricane.

But there is one fighter who saw Mugabi's destruction of the cement chinned Chavez Jr.... And his juices started flowing. Finally a challenger has emerged...GGG thinks to himself.... he looks like a veddy good boy.
Held 200 ft below ground and locked behind a five inch thick solid iron door the monster stirs.

Gennady's handlers remove the shackles, chains, and restraining bars that have held him in his self imposed imprisonment until a worthy challenger could be found.
*****************************************************************************************************
I know ...sounds like an epic action flick directed by Stephen Chow ( Kung Fun Hustle) but I think Mugabi vs GGG would be and equally epic fight.
When fighters are still undefeated, they usually carry an aura of invincibility and supreme confidence that seems to elevate them to a status of near immortality as the fighter cannot comprehend the meaning of losing a fight......Its a frame of mind in which they usually do their best work.

Even the Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to keep his hands high while chipping away at Mugabi from the out side until the Beast finally revealed his mortal side.

After the fight Hagler literally had knots on his forehead where Mugabi hit him over his high guard. (Who does that???)

I think Golovkin has a 60-40 chance to defeat Mugabi if he can keep from getting cut too badly. I also envision him tasting the canvas at least once or twice for the first time due to his irresistible tendacy to trade. But in the long run Golovkins ability to change the arc of his punches on the fly and land punches from every angle, eventually wears the fearless Mugabi down by the late rounds, ... subsequently ending the fight via stunning KO."



Some of your best work. I loved the middleweights from that era. Led by the Marvelous One himself.

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dino da vinci:

Great, accurate posts.

By the way, you're not obligated to stay at the host casino. You have literally 150,000 choices.

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Radam G:

"Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that."


Hehehe! I'm not the only one that has ever hid in plain sight. Larry Merchant is a serial investor in pugs. Holla!

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amayseng:

Yep Paulie's words no longer carry any intrigue or respect from me.

He sold out to the dark side.

If you are poor you do what you have to to make a living and take care of your family.

Paulie already had money, he sold out his morals and values for more money.

No respect in that.

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stormcentre:

"It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!"


Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that.

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Radam G:

"Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined"

First! Da Manny would beat Money May. Second! The mainland USA doesn't define how much money that Da Manny makes.

He is not like Money May. And is showing off his darn money.

Forty eight million people watched Da Manny in China in his last bout. Around the world, close to a billion people watch him. His total worldly money from PPV, closed circuit , television, endorsements, entrepreneurship and movie acting and singing makes Money May look like a charity case.

Money May is the typical "Ugly American," racist bullsyeter playing to his audience of naive ethnocentric Amerkanos who thinks that their syet doesn't stinks and everybody else in the world catches a cold if they sneeze. Holla!

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aljamieson:

Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined

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Radam G:

"a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there.

b) Nice, and not entirely untrue.

c) Nice.

d) Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to."


It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Paulie is a company man now. He tows the line for the one that signs his checks. Paulie is a great announcer but it is no coincidence that he got his gig soon after signing with tsAH . Showtime man Espinoza thanks tsAH very morning before he wakes up before he thanks God.



Paulie used to rip tsAH before he was brought into the fray on the dark side.



The old Paulie would rip Stevenson for making the moves he has made and fighting the guys he is fighting.

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Radam G:

"Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !"

You guys thought of Chuvalo dancing with Doc Wlad G, but I was thinking Buster Douglas and Gerry Cooney. I pick them both to kayo Doc Wlad K, "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano. Styles make fights and those greats that I named would have ducked Douglas and Cooney. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Now what you have said there is even more particularly true (Oxymoron?) if . . . and I'm not saying this is or is not the case . . Arum believes that Pacquaio can't beat Floyd and it's soon going to be time to cash in/out . . . which is what some insiders think.

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stormcentre:

"


a) Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg.

b) Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat.

c) Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!

"


a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there.

b) Nice, and not entirely untrue.

c) Nice.

d) Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to.

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brownsugar:

Del La Hoya made it very clear several days ago that a fight between Floyd and Pac on May 2nd is the only fight that carries the magnitude of marketabiliy to force Canelo off that date.
But will Arum release Pac to compete against one of his own or replace one of the biggest fights of the year with another fighter from his own stable?

In my opinion the most significant two words in this equation is Bob Arum.

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brownsugar:

"Look, this needs to get fixed once and for all. The judging last weekend was hideous in some cases to say the least. I would really like to hear some explanations from these judges as to how they came to their scores in some of these fights.

Did anyone watch the Tyson Cave-Oscar Excandon fight? That was by far the worst scores of the three controversial fights from last weekend. Cave dominated the fight. Escandon was off balance and unable to get punches off all night. When he did throw, he missed often. Cave boxed circles around him. It was an easy fight to score. If you were generous, and I mean generous, Escandon won three rounds. I had it 118-110 for Cave.

But Raul Caiz scored it 117-111 for Escandon. That is a preposterous card to say the least. And Tony Crebs was not much better at 115-113 for Escandon. There is no possible way that Cave could have only won three and five rounds respectively in that fight. No way...I'd really like to hear the round by round explanation from those judges.

Of course, that wasn't the only fight from this weekend. Julie Lederman turned in a horrible card in the Bradley-Chaves fight scoring it for Chaves by a wide margin. That fight turned into a ridiculous draw in a fight that there is no doubt that Bradley easily won. And Mauricio Herrera should have got the nod against Benavidez. At the very least, the margins of those cards were inexplicably wide in the favor of Benavidez.

So how do we fix this. Well, my first suggestion probably won't get much steam but I'll suggest it anyway. Its simple, just take five fifth graders, sit them ringside for a fight and ask them at the end who won. I bet they get it right more often than not and would have had the correct result in the three controversial fights from the weekend.

Okay that realistically won't fly with commissions. So here is what we do. Its time to grade the judges.

Its simple, really. When I was a senior in high school, we had the option of taking one class pass/fail. The grade you received was not "A, B, C, D or F" it was pass or fail. So if you received a "D", on your transcripts all that was shown was "pass."

Grading the judges should be just like that system. Scoring a fight is subjective and we are not always going to agree. And sometimes maybe a card looks bad but is not screaming out loud bad. It won't fail and still passes though we may not completely agree with the scoring.

However Julie Lederman's and Raul Caiz's cards fail. It does not take a panel of experts to see that. Those scores stand out and they need to held accountable for such bad scores. I am not trying to pick on these judges and they weren't the only ones from this weekend that failed. But they were the worst, no doubt.

Basically, a judge's card either passes or fails. We want judges in this sport that receive passing grades consistently. Its not that hard to receive such grades either as again we are failing cards that scream out loud bad.

I understand not everyone is perfect and fails will happen. We all have bad days. But it should be few and far between. Okay, really few and far between. Just a couple and red flag should go up quickly. Get that judge out of the sport.

The judges need to be held accountable. They are impacting these fighters lives in so. many ways. They need to be graded, plain and simple. I bet too if they knew the microscope was on them we'd start seeing better scores. Think about it...at your job, if no accountability then the pressure is off and focus is not there. We are all human, its natural. Why worry and stress if you don't need to? The same thing here...if they know they are being graded, well the focus is going to increase.

One last thought on judging...lets take away a little of the ambiguity and make it once and for all only clean effective punching. Period. End of discussion. No ring generalship,etc. A simple criteria that we all should be able to agree on."


How true

The Tyson Cave fight was very reminiscent of Algieri vs Taylor only more onesided...in Cave's favor.
But nearly the entire boxing community seemed to choose not to acknowledge or comment upon errors made by Lederman and Ciaz that were so egregis they makes CJ Ross's previous hallucinogenic score card look more righteous than the Ten Commandments.

This is one case where Teddy Atlas's rant was well deserved.
I just hope the powers that be in boxing were doing more than just turning down the volume.

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stormcentre:

"I do agree there are reasons the system has not been changed. And some are certainly political.

But its broken. We all know that. So if we all know that, it should be time to do something about it even if the powers that be may not necessarily want to see change.

Grading the judges in a simple system such as I proposed would be a start. As a matter of fact, we can take it out of the commissions hands. As fans, we can get change if our voices are loud enough. If some of us get together and start tracking this, change can occur.

For example, if we see a pattern of a judge grading "F" continually getting fights, start a social media campaign to get that judge out. Publish the scorecards that were in question and ask why they keep getting assignments. It was the voice of the fans mind you that did get CJ Ross out after some questionable scorecards were turned in after high profile fights."



OK - fair enough.

Lobby Dino to set up a UI (user interface) on the website that accepts registered forum user's scores/votes on each judge's performance after significant fights.

Whether the identity of the scorer remains published or not can be up for debate.

I will support it/you so long as the system is not used to vent disappointment, and so long as there is a means by which the judges can also log in and have the right of reply and/or respond to the criticism/applause and explain their actions.

Let's see how much traction it gets.

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Radam G:

"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY

Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above."


As I told CHA! You gotta deal with the reality of the actuality. Pops Joy May is the Mayweather's patriarch. And he is now running syet. So you ought to halt feeding off don't-know-syet jive what talking heads say.

Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg.

See! Big POPPA Floyd ain't all crazy. And he cannot stand Paulie, because Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat.

He has admitted that he is bias against Da Manny. But you can find that video. Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"haha





Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys"




That would be a hell of a card!

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Froggy:

Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !

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The Commish:

In reality, Esteban DeJesus shocked the boxing world in 1972, winning a 10-round decision against Roberto Duran in a non-title fight, just five months after Duran savaged and took the lightweight title from Ken Buchanan.



DeJesus' even dropped Duran in the first round with a left hook. DeJesus, who would go on to win a version of the lightweight title, fought Duran twice more, and lost both times. In their first contest, DeJesus brought his A game while Duran was looking past DeJesus.



In a "Dream Fight," !'d love to see a young George Chuvalo in with Wlad Klitschko. While I believe Klitschko would win, it's not inconceivable to me that the ultra-durable Chuvalo, with his strength and heart thrown in, just might be able to weather storm after storm, get in close, rough Klitschko up, find his paper mch chin and put him to sleep.



Of course, in dream fights, anybody can win.



-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct."

haha


Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys

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Pazuzu:

"



Man up, Adonis.



Man up!



-Randy G."




We're talking about a man who has a criminal record for pimping out and sexually assaulting underage girls.



Ain't gonna happen.



Adonis is a chump. Or, as Kovalev put it earlier this year to Max Kellerman, "(Adonis) is piece of shyt."

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Floyd is this you?"



You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct.

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The Commish:

Suk looked like a frightened rabbit in there, looking for a place to hide from big bad Adonis Stevenson. It was just like the way Stevenson is running from "The Krusha from Russia." Only, Suk at least had the cojones to get into the ring with a guy who terrified him.

Stevenson merely hides behind Al Haymon's overcoat.

Man up, Adonis.

Man up!

-Randy G.

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brownsugar:

John the Beast Mugabi vs Gennady Golovkin.

It's 2014, John Mugabi has 31 straight knocouts, including a ko victory over Chavez Junior at a catch weight of 169 lbs. He's been made the number one challenger at 160 lbs by every alphabet sanctioning body. But it just so happens that none of the other champs are quite ready to face the beast even when threatened with being stripped of their titles.

Jacobs, Quillen, Lemieu, and even Andy Lee find ways to be too busy by either feeding their newborn babies, Participating in polical activism, assisting in feed the hungry drives or carrying sand bags in some foreign country after a being hit by a hurricane.

But there is one fighter who saw Mugabi's destruction of the cement chinned Chavez Jr.... And his juices started flowing. Finally a challenger has emerged...GGG thinks to himself.... he looks like a veddy good boy.
Held 200 ft below ground and locked behind a five inch thick solid iron door the monster stirs.

Gennady's handlers remove the shackles, chains, and restraining bars that have held him in his self imposed imprisonment until a worthy challenger could be found.
*****************************************************************************************************
I know ...sounds like an epic action flick directed by Stephen Chow ( Kung Fun Hustle) but I think Mugabi vs GGG would be and equally epic fight.
When fighters are still undefeated, they usually carry an aura of invincibility and supreme confidence that seems to elevate them to a status of near immortality as the fighter cannot comprehend the meaning of losing a fight......Its a frame of mind in which they usually do their best work.

Even the Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to keep his hands high while chipping away at Mugabi from the out side until the Beast finally revealed his mortal side.

After the fight Hagler literally had knots on his forehead where Mugabi hit him over his high guard. (Who does that???)

I think Golovkin has a 60-40 chance to defeat Mugabi if he can keep from getting cut too badly. I also envision him tasting the canvas at least once or twice for the first time due to his irresistible tendacy to trade. But in the long run Golovkins ability to change the arc of his punches on the fly and land punches from every angle, eventually wears the fearless Mugabi down by the late rounds, ... subsequently ending the fight via stunning KO.

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brownsugar:

I like the list. We've seen some impressive wins but not many battles. The first Floyd vs Maidana is looking better every day

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kenhissner:

This is an excellent article on a young man whose entire life has been dedicated to boxing. His father, Buddy, has been there from the start and is as proud of his son for how he conducts himself as he is of his boxing success at this stage of his career. Dusty has surrounded himself with good people who know the focus is on Dusty and not them. People like Andre Ward have been there for support when needed. Dusty is proud of his heritage and having met him you know he is really focused on what he is all about.

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brownsugar:

He looks like the poster boy for a can of Dinty Moore pork n beans.

But you can't judge a book by its cover in boxing.. However you can get a pretty good estimation of his abilities by checking the expiration date.

Hope he doesn't hurt himself in his quest for a title.

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brownsugar:

Adonis regains a sliver of his swagger with a tedious ko over an obvious set up/tune up opponent. D.S.'s best characteristic was being able to absorb punishment obediently as he seemed to be stuck in retreat and attack mode throughout the fight.
(as has been stated so aptly by previous posters)

Now that Adonis has sufficiently feather dusted the rust from the tools of his trade I hope we can see him wield his considerable power against a worthy opponent or his next fight should be aired exclusively in Canada.

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