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amayseng:

"HBO and Top Rank tell me Chaves will be present."

Nice! I was worried for a bit this is a great matchup

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Radam G:

"Arum & HBO have a lot of phone numbers and strings. I am sure they called who they had to and pulled the strings they had to.

Welcome to the U.S of A., Mr. Chaves.

-Randy G."


Wow! Mr. Chaves got the book up from a Bobfather's hook up. Now Bam Bam is going to beat Chaves up. Holla!

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oubobcat:

The strangest fight result I ever call and most unexpected ending was the bout between Mickey Ward and Alfonso Sanchez. It was a PPV undercard bout on a De La Hoya headlined card I believe.

This was a few years before Ward started appearing on HBO and before the Gatti fights. At this time, he was known as a good club level fighter who generally made for good fights.

Sanchez was a big time prospect. Ward was brought in by Top Rank to showcase Sanchez and hopefully make Sanchez look really good.

For six rounds, Ward did absolutely nothing. When I say nothing, I mean nothing at all. He was not letting any punches off at all and just covering up and absorbing shots from Sanchez. As a matter of fact, his punch total for round five for example was 7. Not punches landed but punches thrown.

In the 6th round, the referee (Mitch Halpern) was urging Ward at times to fight back and show him something. Halpern was getting very close to the action and seemed ready to stop the fight at any moment. By now, the HBO announcers were ripping Ward for his non effort and begging for the fight to end. The announcers were suggesting strongly the referee stop the fight for lack of effort.

The fight was entirely lopsided entering the 7th and more of the same was occurring. Larry Merchant called for the fight to be stopped and Roy Jones suggested fans get a partial refund on the PPV. About half way through the round, Ward threw his and landed his signature left hook to the body. It was a bit shocking that he threw and landed a punch. Then he got aggressive and landed another left hook to the body that put Sanchez down and out.

It was definitely shocking and unexpected the moment Ward landed the KO shot if you watched the first six rounds like I did live. And something I will never forget. It interesting now to look back every now and then at that fight and the comments about Ward during the fight by the HBO commenting team. The theater of the unexpected in that fight to say the least.

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The Commish:

Arum & HBO have a lot of phone numbers and strings. I am sure they called who they had to and pulled the strings they had to.

Welcome to the U.S of A., Mr. Chaves.

-Randy G.

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Editor Mike:

HBO and Top Rank tell me Chaves will be present. "Well now reports are coming that Chaves may in deed by able to fly to the US. I wonder if Mr. Arum is pulling all the strings he can possibly pull..."

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oubobcat:

Well now reports are coming that Chaves may in deed by able to fly to the US. I wonder if Mr. Arum is pulling all the strings he can possibly pull...

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deepwater2:

I was never off my feet in a match but I had one of my ribs broken during a fight. Some of the worst pain I have ever felt. I lost the match on points and just clinched until the fight was over.



One day in sparring I was showing off and got careless. I got clipped hard by a much heavier guy and went down. It looked like a flash-knockdown but it wasn't. I felt like someone turned off the lights and I was on the floor. I lifted my head and nothing else moved. I tried to move my feet and arms but nothing worked. No feeling. The punch didn't hurt but I had no control of my body. After what felt like 5 minutes, I felt "normal and made it to my feet. We took the rest of the round off. I finished 2 more rounds after that. Everyone said it looked like I was off balance and went down for about 2 seconds and came right back up to my feet. To the people outside the ring it looked like no big deal and I wasn't hurt but to me I was paralyzed for 5 minutes with no control over my body.

The body punch/broken rib was the worst pain I ever felt in a fight. The "flash" knockdown in sparring didn't hurt one bit. I would rather take a broken rib every single time rather then the feeling of being paralyzed. I think a head injury is way worse then any body injury.

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The Commish:

I anticipate finding out this Friday where negotiations between the GGG camp & Quillin camp are. Quillin will be my in-studio guest on SiriusXM from 6-8pm.

We've got a lot to talk about.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Is Awesome a cousin of the noted opponent, Kenny Breathe?

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

"Oscar is just twittering out of his butt, chumming the water, so to speak. In an earlier tweat, he proposed a fight between Golovkin and Peter Quillin. "My Latino brother will do a number on the G Man," he wrote. (Quillin was born in Chicago but is of Cuban descent.)

Putting all four of those guys on the same card would be a bad business move. Considering the purse obligations, the nut would be enormous."


Oscar is definitely talking and tweeting a lot. Its all what the fans want to hear as well. The problem, after all this talking and tweeting so far has gotten us the Garcia-Salka card and a card in September that will feature Adrien Broner and Lucas Matthysse in separate fights and almost assuredly not against anyone in the top 10.

I know Oscar is just getting back in the groove and it will take time for his vision to be seen. I am willing to give him a chance. But he shouldn't be tweeting out what we want to hear. We want to see results not just tweets getting our hopes up.

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The Commish:

"The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers."


Great advice, ArneK. Even if you have no overseas trip planned and your passport/visa have expired, get to work NOW on having them renewed.

You never know when that call or urge to head overseas comes. When/if it does and you've got your papers in order, the rest is easy.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

There is no question a body shot can do tremendous damage, or even kill a person. What I was stating earlier is the extensive test the New York State Athletic Commission did on older fighters and retired fighters. The damage to fighters internal organs was found to be minimal as compared to the brain damage the study showed.

Broken ribs heal. A punctured lung will heal. A ruptured spleen will heal. A bruised kidney will heal. Didn't Oscar de la Hoya get KO'd by a body shot from B-Hop? He sure did. I'm just as sure he has no lasting effect from that punch.

As for Harry Houdini, he was killed from a few body punches delivered by a man who had asked him if it was true that Houdini believed he could not be hurt by a body punch. Moments after telling them man that was true, he also gave the man permission to drill him with a few shots, but the man should wait for Houdini's signal when to start. Houdini then turned and walked to a couch, then sat down. As he sat, the man struck Houdini a few solid blows to the beltline, taking him completely by surprise. Houdini doubled over in agony, waving off the man from punching any further. One of the blows apparently ruptured Houdini's appendix, and his refusal to get treatment led to peritonitis and his death several days later. Treatment, even those 90 years ago, would probably have saved Houdini's life.

As for head trauma, legendary trainer Cus D'Amato had a belief, and I quote him now, that "No fighter ever died from punches he took in a ring." Read that again. At the time of the death of boxer Willie Classen, who was killed in a fight against Wilford Scypoion on October 2, 1979, both Bert Sugar and I were doing TV interviews in our offrices at The Ring about Classen's tragic death. D'Amato happened to be in our office that day, and he, too, was interviewed. Bert and I could only look at each other is disbelief as D'Amato said, "While there are many notable boxing people who sayWillie Classen was killed in the fight, I ask 'How do they know it was the fight that killed him?' Fighters don't die in a fight or because of a fight. They die because of pre-existing conditions."

After the cameras left, D'Amato proceeded to lash Bert & me for our stand that Willie Classen died in the ring, as did Benny "Kid" Paret, Davey Moore and so many other fighters throughout boxing's long history. He said, "I'm surprised at both of you, believing that fighters can get killed in the ring. Nobody, and I repeat, NOBODY, has ever died as the result of a fight."

Maybe Bert & I were missing something, but we didn't agree with D'Amato then, and I know Bert still didn't agree with D'Amato right until the end.

As for chess ansd crossword puzzles, they are great games to keep the mind sharp. Jerry Quarry loved playing chess and could knock off a N.Y. Times crossword puzzle fasterthan anybody I ever met. Chess and crossword puzzles didn't stop Dementia Pugilistica from taking Quarry from us at 53.

I'm not saying body shots over the course of a boxing career and lifetime won't affect a man. But I am sure they have nowhere near the same longterm affect as an accumulation of head shots.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers."


YUP! That backlog is terrible. It messed a planned trip for many of my Fil-Am relatives in the USA. They were supposed to be in the P-Islands before July 10. Now it is August and they are not being allowed to travel yet. They should've gotten dual citizenship instead just being AmerKano Joes and AmerKana James. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Either GGG vs Quillen or GGG vs Ward would be a beautiful thing.

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ArneK.:

Oscar is just twittering out of his butt, chumming the water, so to speak. In an earlier tweat, he proposed a fight between Golovkin and Peter Quillin. "My Latino brother will do a number on the G Man," he wrote. (Quillin was born in Chicago but is of Cuban descent.)

Putting all four of those guys on the same card would be a bad business move. Considering the purse obligations, the nut would be enormous.

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ArneK.:

The backlog in filling passport and visa applications is a huge problem right now, not only in the United States but around the world. In the U.S., the problem is being blamed on a computer glitch. In England, the problem is being blamed on an unexpected surge of international travelers coupled with understaffing, the result of austerity measures.

If any in the TSS community is planning to go abroad anytime soon and doesn't have their papers in order, get right to it and pony up the extra bucks for the premium service that will speed up the process. Then cross your fingers.

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SouthPawFlo:

Quillin needs a big name fight for me to take him Seriously, Al Haymon has guided his career well for him to make money and get a belt, but it's time for him to take the training wheels off and take a big fight.

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oubobcat:

Thanks everyone for the confidence to make me mod, its something I would love to do.

However, these next few weeks I am in the process of moving and are on schedule to close on August 7th. So I will not be able to dedicate the time needed to be mod and my posts for a bout a week will be limited. After I get settled in which shouldn't take too long, would be very interested in being mod (2nd half of August if available).

Oh and for those wondering and to show how die hard a fan I am I did schedule this around the Garcia-Salka. My wife was initially targeting last weekend and our builder was on board. I played along at first but kept a keen eye on the schedule. When Golovkin-Geale was officially announced, I knew I had to get the date changed. So when a few weeks later Garcia-Salka was announced, I had my date just needed to come up with something. I did, a tweak here and there and discussion with the builder and my wife about not rushing things and lets just push to close a few weeks later. My wife got on board and the builder agreed...thus successfully moved closing from Golovkin-Geale weekend to Garcia-Salka weekend.

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Radam G:

"Not only do body punches cause long term damage, they can kill you on the spot. Do you all remember what killed Harry Houdini? Boom, body punch. Never got up."

Sadly! I just had a flashback from my peewee days of this kid who had a heart attack after getting blasted in the chest with a vicious punch.

Wow! Holla!

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Skibbz:

It's hard to argue that GGG hasn't improved because he invariably has. It's hard to argue that he's improved by leaps and bounds because we've yet to see it. The fact is that he is quality, and fortunately for us the spectators he is likely to reign in the middleweight division as undisputed king for many years.

Also who is saying GGG is a 154er? He is a 160 fighter not 154. I don't know if he could make it but fights with 154ers can always be made.

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Skibbz:

Can break a guys ribs, rupture his spleen, break his liver, kidney failure if you're dirty, all kinds of internal bleeding. You can shoot out shoulders, pop out elbows and cause all kinds of structural damage to the bones with well placed punches to joints.

In the long term any number of these can add up and be just as bad if not worse for a fighter. Sometimes the toll of body shots been in sparring can induce you to urinate blood and bruise up your organs so bad you got to drink through a straw..

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Radam G:

"I'll throw his hat into the ring and a few quids onto the canvas for his non stop work rate and informative posts - Oubobcat!"

YUP! O-cat, A-Seng or D2. Holla!

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Skibbz:

I'll throw his hat into the ring and a few quids onto the canvas for his non stop work rate and informative posts - Oubobcat!

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Radam G:

"Gotta love the double-standards in boxing. 'Come on up to 168, Gennedy, it's only 8lbs.' Followed by 'There's no way I'm going up 7lbs to fight Kovalev.' Not knocking Ward, but he's not giving up any advantages. He fought the Super6 in his home country, forced Dawson down to 168 (though to be fair he took his last fight when the guy failed to make weight). He should've been over at Wembley demanding a Froch rematch, the reason he didn't was because though he knows 50% of the Froch pot is more than he can make anywhere else, he wouldn't dream of fighting in England. As I say, Ward is giving up nothing. His career, his prime is passing him by. GGG's big fights are at 154lb or wherever Cotto/PBF/Canelo end up. Ward's big fights are Froch or a move to 175. HBO should grow some balls and realise the power it has. It should tell Kovalev and Ward to fight each other or they won't be on HBO anymore. It's win-win. So what if they walk, there's no-one else for them to fight anyway (under contract with HBO) and it's two less problems to worry about. Kovalev's last fight and his coming one are ESPN fights, not HBO quality. HBO - If you can't make'em fight each other - let 'em go."

HBO does not have that type of power. That would be called bribery and solicitation, which is against the U.S. law. Boxing is an entrepreneurial sport. Contracts are required to make thing legal. And it is all right to get the edge in anything that you can.

More power to SOG Ward. He does it his way -- easy not hard. Holla!

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gibola:

Gotta love the double-standards in boxing. 'Come on up to 168, Gennedy, it's only 8lbs.' Followed by 'There's no way I'm going up 7lbs to fight Kovalev.' Not knocking Ward, but he's not giving up any advantages. He fought the Super6 in his home country, forced Dawson down to 168 (though to be fair he took his last fight when the guy failed to make weight). He should've been over at Wembley demanding a Froch rematch, the reason he didn't was because though he knows 50% of the Froch pot is more than he can make anywhere else, he wouldn't dream of fighting in England. As I say, Ward is giving up nothing. His career, his prime is passing him by. GGG's big fights are at 154lb or wherever Cotto/PBF/Canelo end up. Ward's big fights are Froch or a move to 175. HBO should grow some balls and realise the power it has. It should tell Kovalev and Ward to fight each other or they won't be on HBO anymore. It's win-win. So what if they walk, there's no-one else for them to fight anyway (under contract with HBO) and it's two less problems to worry about. Kovalev's last fight and his coming one are ESPN fights, not HBO quality. HBO - If you can't make'em fight each other - let 'em go.

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Bernie Campbell:

Bout time somebody say something! estrada, small in stature as compared to his weight! has never been in a bad fight since Ive been observing him! The guy looked like he was robbed against Tomaz Adamek at the prudential some years back during Adameks ascent! Great boxer, tough as nails, i do not ever understand all things considered during his tenure, hes only had about 30 fights! Could and should be ranked in the top ten considering his abilities and lack of opportunity!

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Editor Mike:

OUCH! Wow....Ouch for Estrada. "In case you missed it, former U.S. Olympian Jason Estrada was in action this past Saturday (July 26). The U.S. super heavyweight in the 2004 Olympiad, Estrada opposed Steve Vukosa in the 8-round main event of a show at Boston's Royale Nightclub.

Estrada, who entered with a 20-4 record, carrying 254 pounds, had a splendid amateur career that included a gold medal in the Pan-American games where he defeated the Cuban fighter that would squash his Olympic dreams when they met up again in Athens. This was his first pro fight in 20 months. In the interim, he reportedly had ACL surgery.

Estrada's opponent, Steve Vukosa, weight unannounced, was a 37-year-old bus driver who had been inactive for 12 (!) years. Vukosa copped a majority decision, improving his record to 9-0.

It seems like only yesterday that Estrada performed well in defeat in a bout with Tomasz Adameck, a contest that drew a sellout crowd of 10,000-plus to Newark's Prudential Center. The attendance at Saturday's show was pegged at five hundred.

This was a double wammy for Estrada as the promoter of record was his own production company, Big Six Promotions. He lost the fight and undoubtedly lost money. Ouch."

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amayseng:

Quillin is a huge disappointment.

I like the kid but in the ring he is dragging *** on quality competition.

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oubobcat:

Golovkin is not ducking anybody. As pointed out in a previous post, his handlers have time and time again said he is willing to go from 154 to 168 to fight anyone.

Chavez appears at least for the moment to be targeting a fight with Froch. Its Chavez though, so who really knows if it will happen or not but at least signs are today that is the direction he is headed. Canelo and Cotto seem on a collision course and neither will want anything to do with Golovkin for the time being. Ward is battling in court with his promoter so who knows when he will actually fight again. Oscar De La Hoya was making Quillin available but Quillin is also advised by Al Haymon. I doubt Haymon looks to put his undefeated belt holder in with Golovkin.

Its not Golovkin ducking the big fights. He wants them. He agreed very early on in the Chavez negotiations to terms. But other fighters and their managers want nothing to do with Golovkin at this time.

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Radam G:

"GGG's Handlers continue to say they'll fight anyone from 154-168 and Andre Ward is the biggest fish in the sea at 168, and he's repeatedly said in numerous interviews that he'll fight Golovkin...



GGG's team was ready to go with a Chavez fight and he's practically a light heavyweight, so you can't say that Andre Ward is too big..."


It is not the size of the fighter. It is the size of the money. With Chavez Junior Time, one can super size the purse. With SOG Ward, you won't get Jack. Just maybe a doctor and nurse. But you never know. You may need an undertaker and a hearse. Holla!

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