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brownsugar:

I read that Roukes fight was really "awful"... Mickey was still.taking a big chance.... Getting tagged on all that plastic surgery can be dangerous.

And I expected nothing less than a stoppage from Provo against the shop worn Castillo.

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Skibbz:

@Shadow Instead of working the mitts get sparring. Gerry slapping you on the head a few times isn't the best way to learn to keep your hands up. Go to a gym and find a partner to go 5x2 with or 3x5 with and the first time you drop your hand and get clocked... You'll never make that same mistake twice trust me.

In sparring you shouldn't run so much like Algieri, we were taught by putting a hoop on the floor and each fighter sticking one foot in. You don't move the foot out of the hoop. If you spar and are moving around so much you're prone to blistering and that can affect your training in the long run a lot. Plus it's only sparring, you've got some big gloves on and a headguard so if you're covered up and neither of you are putting all your weight behind the punch no one should be getting hurt..

In the amateurs it's all about explosiveness, Algieri's style isn't going to work well. You have to explode onto your opponent, throw 6-8 punches through and around the guard and get out again. It's 3x3 so you've got to show some variety and that can only really be done going forward. If I were you and I wanted to win a title, I would throw Algieri out of my mind, focus on getting as much experience sparring as I can possibly get against short guys, tall guys, fast guys, guys who come forward non stop, guys who wait for you to come in, guys who are as fit as fleas and throw 100 punches without pause.

The amateurs, in England atleast, is a very tough sport. You have tens of thousands of young and hungry guys eager to prove they're the best in their division and they all put in hours of work day in day out.

Mortcola said something very insightful a few days ago, you've got to be smart to reach the top, but you've also got to have the courage to see it through to the end (cause that's where the casserole bakes). You're not going to be TBE immediately, you're going to get beaten up, you're going to get a bloody nose and a few swollen eyes but that's part of the apprenticeships. These are all hurdles everyone has to pass through to see whether or not they have what it takes to reach higher and higher up the ladder. It's not a sport for quitters or people who aren't willing to risk it all to win.

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brownsugar:

I find this nearly impossible to believe from Sam Watson. I got the alert earlier on my face book page and dismissed it. But I hope its true.

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The Shadow:

"Rourke couldn't punch down a pinata. It was a publicity stunt pure and simple. Fun to watch though."

Yeah, I just saw the "fight." That's exactly what it was, a publicity stunt. Dude went down from love taps. But I still think Rourke looked good for his age, though he's probably aided by Botox, pec implants and a little bit of HGH. Haha.

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Skibbz:

They looked good Deep I was at the weigh in earlier today. The atmosphere was pretty electric, and both of them looked very game. I thought someone's going to throw something.. Fair play that no one did. I'm on a bit of a high at the moment after Ruslan, now all I want to see it a barnburner between these two and I'm a very happy man. Little over 24 hours to go!!!

I don't think we should be worried about BJS though, he's a smart fighter and he has enough in his punch to put you away. The only thing in my opinion that chris has over BJS is conditioning and potentially athleticism. But that doesn't matter if you don't know what you're doing.. We shall have to wait and see! I've got 7/1 on a SD for Saunders. Too nice to pass up!

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The Commish:

"I could care less about the new TS ratings. What is your list? Estrada is on everyone's ;list but mine. WTF not sure where you are going with his but I'll defend mine and stand by it unless you can come up with a more compelling one. :)"

You could care less about the TSS list, compiled by many other readers, visitors and regulars here on this site? That's interesting. What makes your PxP list so great, other than the fact they were done by you?

Carl Froch is the fifth-best PxP fighter on this planet? He's better all-around than Guillermo Rigondeaux?

Tim Bradley is the third-best?

Oh, and I did notice that Roman Gonzalez ias second, behind the two who you can't make up your mind over.

I am going to count your list as I compile the new list, which you "could care less about." Will give Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao EACH a first-place ballot, but then, you will be voting for 13 guys, while everyone else votes for 12.

I guess because you feel your list is so terrific, you should be given 13 votes.

Well, thanks for sending in your list. It truly doesn't look bad at all.

Just curious. Why don't you respect the ratings of TSS readers? They are done by many of us, not just one person. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I accept them as the official PxP Ratings in the sport.

Well, being your ratings have already been posted, everybody has a chance to see them and either agree or put up a "more compelling one," to use your words.

Is there are chance you are really El Dude using a different name? If you're not El Dude, I'll fill you in on the legend of El Dude.

El Dude was an interesting character, who hung around this site for a few weeks last Spring. He claimed to be both the most knowledgeable boxign mind and the most prolific writer out there. What he was, in fact, was entertainment...sometimes funny, sometimes factual, but most times pathetic and self-absorbed. With your "I could care less" attitude about the thoughts of others around here and the same feeling of supremacy as El Dude, I started thinking, "Wow, El Dude is back."

So, welcome back, El D. A bunch of us wondered if you'd surface again. Well, here you are. Keep those ratings and other Mensa Society thoughts coming.

You are tops!


-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"I saw dude in his media workout. I thought he looked good and he's quite the tricky slickster."

Rourke couldn't punch down a pinata. It was a publicity stunt pure and simple. Fun to watch though.

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The Shadow:

"Is that really a picture of tsAH ? I was starting to think that nobody has ever even seen the guy !"

I've seen him, Froggy. Dude really looks like that. LOL. Dresses in black suits, white shirts that look like they were bought from Walmart.

If you didn't know better, you'd think he was one of those middle-age brothers on his way to an Amway pyramid scheme presentation where they tell you to wear a suit.

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brownsugar:

Give me Thurman vs any good welter like Brook or Porter (add Mayweather's name to the list)

I also hope Charlo and Andrade can be made or any permutation of Charlo Andrade and Canelo.

Golovkin vs either Quillin or Korobov.

Pacq vs Broner or Mattysse at 140.

Degale vs Froch ...will it happen? I favor Degale.

Mares, Cruz, Quigg or Frampton vs Rigo

Roman Gonzalez or Mickey Garcia vs anybody.

Fury vs Wilder.

Mansour vs Briggs

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brownsugar:

Wise move by Hayman who understands that getting fighters into the ring is the first step in grooming talent and building relationships. The exposure alone is invaluable.

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The Shadow:

"It wasn't the best boxing but it sure was interesting.

Did the guy he fight take a dive? Maybe but who cares it was fun to see the old timer try some slick tricks in there. At 62 years old it makes me want to make some phone calls and fight a young tomato can."


I saw dude in his media workout. I thought he looked good and he's quite the tricky slickster.

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Froggy:

"That picture might be the reason why he wants nobody to see him."



Ha, ha, ha, good one !

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deepwater2:

"Is that really a picture of tsAH ? I was starting to think that nobody has ever even seen the guy !"

That picture might be the reason why he wants nobody to see him.

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Kid Blast:

I could care less about the new TS ratings. What is your list? Estrada is on everyone's ;list but mine. WTF not sure where you are going with his but I'll defend mine and stand by it unless you can come up with a more compelling one. :)

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Froggy:

Is that really a picture of tsAH ? I was starting to think that nobody has ever even seen the guy !

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Radam G:

"Were you going to put up a video with this? Maybe I missed it? I do a lot of isometric exercises and gladly look to add some more to my repertoire.

I wish I knew years ago about training what I know about it now. I once got in shape by doing roadwork (which, I believe, is still irreplaceable), jumping rope, hitting the heavy bag and speed bag, by doing situps and sparring. Now, I train my guys with an array of exercises, focusing, of course, on aerobic training. I want my guys to be tireless.

Is there a video which accompanies your in-depth description and analysis?

-Randy G."


The mistake is that lot of people keep missing the water session of training. We are 65 percent water so training in it gives us a better condition as running in sun rays and moon and star do. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Well we have a fight on our hands. Both men just did an intense stare down at the weigh-in. Both men look strong and ripped. Eubank Jr. Looks strong and ripped,no surprise there. Billy Joe looks lean and ready to go. I have never seen him in this type of shape. I stand by my original pick, Saunders with the win. Saunders has world level experience ,and with all things equal, that experience will make the difference. The only thing that worries me is if BJS gets too confident after schooling Eubank Jr and leaves himself open to a desperate counter shot.

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The Commish:

Were you going to put up a video with this? Maybe I missed it? I do a lot of isometric exercises and gladly look to add some more to my repertoire.

I wish I knew years ago about training what I know about it now. I once got in shape by doing roadwork (which, I believe, is still irreplaceable), jumping rope, hitting the heavy bag and speed bag, by doing situps and sparring. Now, I train my guys with an array of exercises, focusing, of course, on aerobic training. I want my guys to be tireless.

Is there a video which accompanies your in-depth description and analysis?

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

"Storm Centre,

Not questioning your integrity, but how sure are you that Pacquaio was on the" juice" ? Speaking of being on the juice, Marquez sure looked more bulked up when he knocked out Pacquiao as opposed to his

poor showing against Mayweather. At this stage of their respective careers, I still think Floyd will be a very tough customer for Manny.

Respectfully"




Hi Old School,



I can't prove Pacman was on the juice, and even if I could I wouldn't do that anyway.



It's just who I know/trust in the sport, my own experience, and what I see.



I would be happy to be proved wrong, as if Manny has achieved his accomplishments cleanly then that is even more awesome.



:cool:

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stormcentre:

"Yes, I am! And yes, I have.

I'm not a puncher. After the first session with Gerry, he showed me how to double my power. I kid you not. My hands were shaking. I had NEVER punched so hard in my life.

Dude tapped me in the face with the mitts to keep my hands up. It honestly felt like someone clubbed me. LOL.

I've done conditioning with Randy as well.

Right now, I have a blessed, fortunate, but crazy schedule -- I have like three projects I'm working on with some amazing folks -- so I haven't been able to do as much training as I've wanted, much less fight.

I was running today and my conditioning was embarrassing. I have to be in Long Island more in the next week so I hope to get in more work with Randy while doing my weekend sessions with The Huntington Giant.

Having firsthand seen what Gerry did to my unpolished punching and punching power, I KNOW FOR A FACT he could do some damage with Chris.

And yes, Skibbz, he taught me a bunch. One of my technical flaws in the past was an inability/proclivity to not punch through the target and not always extend my punches.

Gerry showed me a way where I could be in close, be in what Gerry calls "the safe zone," punch with sick leverage (it was a bit awkward to me and I don't have it down yet) without worrying about necessarily extending my punches.

The guys down in Miami I trained with were a Cuban, a slickster from DC, which is why I'm appreciative of the pure boxing style. (The Cuban style and the "black style," the style B-Hop is always talking about.)

When I would be in Broward County, I would work out of this gym with this Italian guy teaching all these super advanced slick tricks. "Jab and step in at an angle," he would scream. "Feint! Roll! Stay behind your shoulder!" (Honestly, Italians are super slick. It was sooo difficult LOL.)

Stylistically, I would say I try to box like Algieri -- moving, dancing, being tricky, and flicking without doing much damage.

(In spite of my Shadow gimmick, I'm really a very peaceful, friendly guy, almost too nice at times. A few years ago, when I first started boxing regularly, I once walked a guy into a right hand and bloodied his nose, I felt so bad and started apologizing. The coach yelled at me "what the **** do you think that happens when you hit someone?!" LOL.)

Gerry, on the other hand, adds another dimension, the power and a little meanness.

I always thought I wasn't much of power puncher. And to be fair, I'll never be an explosive hitter. But I do know this: If I can connect with one of those shots we worked on, someone is going to feel it.

I still think the Bay is the place for him. But if he wants to stay local, Gerry can definitely help him out.

At the very least, Chris would benefit TREMENDOUSLY from having him on board as a consultant or just train with him once in a while.

The thing about Chris is that he's like clay; he can be formed. He's not a finished product. He had no amateur experience, there are still things that can be built on to what he has, elements to add to his repertoire.

And to be fair, if he really wants to be a master boxer, he has to be a well-rounded FIGHTER. He's one-dimensional right now.

Another thing I also like about Gerry is that he's not the type of boxing trainer that gets mad at you. He'll correct you, he'll be stern but he won't demean you.

I tried to do Gerry's left hook after he showed me and I failed completely. He said to me, "what the f*** are you doing?!" But he had a smile on his face and then said to me, "come on, baby, let me show you."

Then he would tap me and remind me to keep my hands up.

There's this one guy who comes on the show from time to time. I don't dislike him personally and his personality can be crass, but as an unpolished boxer, I wouldn't want to work with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnwvR0XnZRA

He's almost a bully. I don't like bullies. Yeah, you gotta be able to take it, yeah it's the hurt game, yeah, you can't be weak mentally, but if you're a Wall St. guy, academic cat, you're not going to like someone demeaning you.

(Roger Mayweather is actually mean, too. Jeff Mayweather, on the other hand, teaches you but he's very nice and doesn't call you names.)

If anyone is interested/cares, next time I go, I'm gonna see if I can get some footage of me working mitts with Gerry. And yes, I still fully intend on taking on the Danish dude. Here's a video of him fighting a boxer on the move; has no clue what to do.

Sorry if this was too long.

Short version, I agree -- Gerry would be a blessing to Chris. Let Tim Lane be his kickboxing trainer. I bet Chris can go back and forth between the two and make great money now that he has become famous."



Hey There,

If you're really serious about punching power you need to find an exercise that will (at least * ) train your;

a) Upper back.

b) Lower back.

c) Shoulders

d) Upper arms

e) Forearms

f) Wrists

g) Neck

Simultaneously, whilst those muscles that surround joints are also not all necessarily coming into flexion around those joints.

Muscular exercises that rely upon and/or use flexion, and/or those commonly and more accurately referred to as concentric-isotonic contractions (where the muscle(s) doing work are contracting or getting shorter in length) can and will slow a fighter down and turn him into a Pascal and/or many of the other muscle-laden guys that Hopkins feasted on before meeting Kovalev.

Point being that boxing - unlike MMA - is not really a sport that is (pound for pound and all things considered) predominantly reliant upon physical strength - it's (as far as physiology is concerned) more athletically and/or endurance based, than anything

So, back to an exercise that will recruit (at least) all the above muscles (listed above as "a" to "g") for the purpose of training the legs, buttocks, feet, back, shoulders, wrists, and arms; to quickly/instantly activate and set the body in a motion that resembles what is commonly called one of the many punches in boxing.

* Notice above points "a" to "g" don't include the legs, buttocks and feet (mentioned immediately above)?

That is what my above "at least" and " * " caveat refers to.

Nevertheless, the exercise I refer to below (should you not find one that is equally effective on your own) does actually include the; legs, buttocks and feet - all muscles involved in power punching - as much as the above points "a" to "g" do.

One reason serious punching power is elusive is because there are many factors (aside from just the muscles we're discussing here), and many muscle groups, involved.

Also, the motion involved in a punch is not quite as natural to the way the body is designed as, say, running.

For instance, just the muscles around the elbows (which must remain straight in the exercise I below refer to) are the; Flexor Carpi Radialis, Extensor Carpi Radialis Longus, Extensor Carpi Radialis Brevis, Brachiorialis Muscle, Pronator Teres, Biceps Brachii Muscle (long and short heads), and the relevant Triceps Brachii Muscle(s).

That's a lot of muscles and consideration.

Same goes for the shoulder (or humeroscapular joint) whose muscle groups consist of the; Biceps Brachii Muscle (long and short heads), Capsular Ligament of the Shoulder, Brachialis Muscle (elbow flexor), Deltoid Muscle, Coracobrachialis Muscle, Infraspinatus Muscle, Latissimus Dorsi Muscle, Pectoralis Minor Muscle, Subscapularis Muscle, Supraspinatus Muscle, Teres Minor/Major Muscles, Triceps Brachii Muscle (Lateral and Long Head).

And those two short understudies of just the elbow and shoulder joint/muscles doesn't detail all the muscle groups involved with the above-mentioend areas; "a", "b", "f", "g" - plus it also overlooks some of the muscles associated with the above-mentioned areas; "c" and "e".

Furthermore, it's also probably worth noting that if you can't and/or don't effectively train all the muscle groups (that move when you punch) to do what you want, then those muscles that are not effectively trained may also not be contributing as well (to the required motion/punch) as others; to the power and also the efficiency of (punching) movement you desire and are attempting to achieve - essentially (these untrained muscles) then becoming akin to a single - or multiple - flat tyre(s) on a heavily laden, articulated, and multi-wheeled semi-trailer truck.

And given that analogy, the truck's; efficiency then quickly goes down (as the rolling resistance of the flat tyres escalates), energy use (for less efficiency) also goes up, and all the other tyres (muscles) must then carry a greater load and therefore they get hotter (muscles; reach hypoxia sooner) and run the risk of exploding (muscles; being completely depleted of oxygen).

Notice, two paragraphs above (4th sentence), I used the term "economy" or "efficiency" of movement?

It's an overlooked - but extremely important - principle in boxing.

Notice how 3G, Tszyu, and also some of the other top Eastern Bloc trained fighters that are on the world class scene now all seem to have extraordinary power whilst also moving and punching with minimum energy output?

That's "efficiency of movement".

If all the muscles involved, initiating and/or dragged along with a particular sporting movement (or punch) all meaningfully contribute and carry their load/weight, then there is less energy required for that particular movement, as each muscle is doing the job that nature intended - rather than some of them just being pulled around by its dominant neighbour - who is not designed to work, entirely, alone whilst maximising both speed and endurance.

See what I am saying?

Above I also touched on the employment of an exercise, for the purpose of developing power via training all relevant muscles involved in (power, and other) punching, that simultaneously used all the above muscle groups; but not necessarily in a way where;

a) Those muscles that surround joints were coming into flexion around those joints.

b) The exercise may be accurately referred to as one employing concentric-isotonic contractions.

The reason for this is that most exercises that use all muscle groups associated with punching (if you can find one; regardless of whether it is of an isotonic {concentric or eccentric} or isometric style) usually recruit (a limited amount of) muscle groups in an isotonic (concentric) manner, and as such the involved muscles rarely remain at full length during the exercise - meaning they can become isolated and not necessarily "trained" to work together with all other surrounding muscles.

There is much in my above employment of the word "work" but to get into that here is beyond the scope of this post.

As mentioned above, there's not many exercises that simultaneously/meaningfully recruit and train all the muscle groups associated with punching, let alone any that will do it isometricially (exercise involving/employing muscles and/or joint action that will not change during contraction).

The reason we want to do it isometrically is it;

a) Usually or can lend itself better to be associated with similar exercises that employ an eccentric isontonic action - which is also beneficial for what we're trying to achieve because . . . . (explained in point "b" below).

b) Will usually avoid many of the negative muscular issues (for boxing) associated with cocentric isotonic exercises - or those that rely on flexion around a joint as the muscle contracts; which can be great for building and isolating muscle mass, but not so good for speed and other athletic characteristics associated with boxing - unless, of course, you like robotic and non-explosive/dynamic boxers and that style.

Anyway, Shadow have a look around at exercises that are meant to increase power in boxing, try to look for ones that employ all the involved muscle groups, and see how you go.

If you can find one (or several) that does all that, really works, and makes sense (for most of the above-mentioned muscle groups) then all is good and well and you won't need my below tip/exercise.

But please, as you search, remember, (you probably already know, but) there is a little more to power punching exercises than behind the back clapping push-ups - even though they are good for upper body strength.

As power (in boxing) initially comes from the feet, legs and hips.

Then it travels up through the back and shoulders before finally sending the arms/fists in (linear or rotational) motion to create kinetic energy used for an impact or blow.

Forget the important fact that (muscles related to ensuing that) the chin should be tucked down and possibly (depending on the punch) behind the shoulder, for now; although the exercise I refer to below will also train for this.

In any regard, failing a Eureka moment where you do find the punchers pot of gold exercise at the end of the boxing rainbow; fear not, because if you can't find one, feel free to private message me on this website and I will provide you with one - the one I am referring to above/below - that I have successfully used for years to increase and maintain punching power.

I have not found one better for pure power, and I attribute many of my knockouts to it.

Once its understood, you will then be on your way - after 2 or 3 years (of doing it once or 3 times, 6 days a week) that is - to extraordinary punching power - Eastern Bloc (or Kostya Tszyu, Gennady Golovkin, Sergey Kovalev, Matt Korobov) style.

Furthermore, you are welcome to let Mr. Cooney and/or Randy observe (or try) it.

But let no-one tell you it doesn't work until they have mastered it (it is very hard and you will probably struggle for the first 6 months to execute it correctly) first, and from that position then proven their claim that it doesn't work (for them).

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Background and caveat on isometric exercises; typically (basic) isometric exercises improve strength in only one particular position and the participant would normally have to do various isometric exercises through a given limb's whole range of motion to improve muscular strength across the entire range.

Additionally, since isometric exercises are typically done in a static position so that the muscles will not contract under stress (which is a benefit to what we're trying to achieve with them), they are usually considered not to help improve speed or athletic performance.

However, what I am prepared to advise you of is not a typical isometric exercise.

It is extremely specialised.

Furthermore, it (safely) recruits and trains almost all the muscles in your wrists, legs, buttocks, back, shoulders, wrists, and arms to simultaneously work and/or link together for a specific action related to punching; whilst also working/stretching your lower back, hips and legs.

Also, whilst typical isometric exercises are usually considered to not help improve speed or athletic performance, the exercise I am referring to is not designed to (directly) assist speed, so that's not an issue.

The point here is that the exercise itself is designed to increase power and also train all involved muscles used to (seriously) punch to work together.

In that sense it will not hinder speed as much as other typical boxing and other gym exercises that may be designed to increase power (or sometimes speed) that themselves usually recruit only a portion of the muscles both mentioned above and involved in punching, and do so in a manner that typically involves concentric and/or isotonic contractions; where the muscles shorten under load (in a bodybuilding and/or bicep curl sense).

Once the exercise is inserted into your regime and it has trained most/all related muscle groups to respond and work together, you then rely on the other (correct) boxing exercises to enhance speed, and that exercise (group) is then assisted by the fact that - through the above-mentioned isometric exercise - all involved muscles related to power punching can now easily and effectively be used/recruited for purposes of speed and power.

This is a meaningful and serious start to training the body to move, perform, and do stressful sporting activities with as much economy of motion as possible; as diametrically opposed as those objectives seem.

In a sense the power-exercise I refer to could also be considered to assist with neuromuscular programming for power punching and/or ensuring that all related muscles to a given movement can effectively be accessed, signaled and controlled - which is not always the case.

Such a skill also has a great and positive impact on a fighter's proprioception which is - like "economy of motion" - another often overlooked aspect of competitive boxing.

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Once mastered, the above-mentioned isometric exercise - particularly when used in conjunction with other boxing exercises dedicated to speed, endurance, and athletic performance, can provide remarkable results in the context of punching power.

I know it has for me and many others that I know whom use it.

As soon as you try it and experience how difficult it is to do, you will undoubtably also realise how beneficial it would be to boxing and power if you could master it.

And that will (hopefully) keep you continuing with it whilst you can't master/practice it properly.

Additionally, believe it or not, the isometric exercise I refer to above not only trains the body and mind to recruit all the above-mentioned muscle groups - but, along with providing the above-mentioned "economy of motion" and "proprioception" benefits it also (eventually) teaches its author how to remain relaxed; in a stressful situation, when punching, or in a fight - which itself is an underrated and essential skill in boxing that has far more benefits than simply enabling you to be able to; think defensively, act accordingly, and adhere to the game-plan.

Finally, if after you have tried the exercise - should you not be able to find one of your own that is equal or suits - and you feel I have overrated it; you are welcome to (without revealing to the forum exactly what it is) tell the forum of your opinion of both it and my description.

I know it works.

:cool:

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Radam G:

This piece explains why if you don't have the natural genetics, roids and PEDs aren't going to give you a monster built or Hulk-like strength for quick, twisting muscles that are needed in boksing. People get quicker and most power in this sport by correct procedures, techniques and work -- hard and smart. Not by juicing, rubbing or injecting.

Don't believe the hype of some roidheads and PEDs addicts killing someone because of dat syet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dChhzNGHgnA. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Storm Centre,
Not questioning your integrity, but how sure are you that Pacquaio was on the" juice" ? Speaking of being on the juice, Marquez sure looked more bulked up when he knocked out Pacquiao as opposed to his
poor showing against Mayweather. At this stage of their respective careers, I still think Floyd will be a very tough customer for Manny.
Respectfully"


Juice does not work in boxing. Boxers use dat syet to get eye-candy looks for those with the genetics. James Toney tried it, but he didn't have the genetics. So he has left it alone.

Da Manny has never been on that syet, but Money May and Hulkquez -- I mean Marquez -- have.

For skills to pay the bills, you get better results with music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofbnpVbtqTc This is why the souls are blasting in the gym.Holla!

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oldschool:

Storm Centre,
Not questioning your integrity, but how sure are you that Pacquaio was on the" juice" ? Speaking of being on the juice, Marquez sure looked more bulked up when he knocked out Pacquiao as opposed to his
poor showing against Mayweather. At this stage of their respective careers, I still think Floyd will be a very tough customer for Manny.
Respectfully

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sumopop:

Proud fellow degenerate.

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The Shadow:

"Cooney has forgotten more than Tim Lane has forgotten and would fit well but as you've said before Algieri has to make the first move... It's barely been a week since, but a week's a long time and the world doesn't wait for no man!



The Shadow is getting some 1 on 1 with Cooney?! Sounds great for Shadow I'm sure he can be taught a lot especially by Gerry. How's the amateur career going my man, had any recent fights? Are you still planning to compete for the Danish Amateur title? Give us an update on how it's going we're eager to know!!"




Yes, I am! And yes, I have.



I'm not a puncher. After the first session with Gerry, he showed me how to double my power. I kid you not. My hands were shaking. I had NEVER punched so hard in my life.



Dude tapped me in the face with the mitts to keep my hands up. It honestly felt like someone clubbed me. LOL.



I've done conditioning with Randy as well.



Right now, I have a blessed, fortunate, but crazy schedule -- I have like three projects I'm working on with some amazing folks -- so I haven't been able to do as much training as I've wanted, much less fight.



I was running today and my conditioning was embarrassing. I have to be in Long Island more in the next week so I hope to get in more work with Randy while doing my weekend sessions with The Huntington Giant.



Having firsthand seen what Gerry did to my unpolished punching and punching power, I KNOW FOR A FACT he could do some damage with Chris.



And yes, Skibbz, he taught me a bunch. One of my technical flaws in the past was an inability/proclivity to not punch through the target and not always extend my punches.



Gerry showed me a way where I could be in close, be in what Gerry calls "the safe zone," punch with sick leverage (it was a bit awkward to me and I don't have it down yet) without worrying about necessarily extending my punches.



The guys down in Miami I trained with were a Cuban, a slickster from DC, which is why I'm appreciative of the pure boxing style. (The Cuban style and the "black style," the style B-Hop is always talking about.)



When I would be in Broward County, I would work out of this gym with this Italian guy teaching all these super advanced slick tricks. "Jab and step in at an angle," he would scream. "Feint! Roll! Stay behind your shoulder!" (Honestly, Italians are super slick. It was sooo difficult LOL.)



Stylistically, I would say I try to box like Algieri -- moving, dancing, being tricky, and flicking without doing much damage.



(In spite of my Shadow gimmick, I'm really a very peaceful, friendly guy, almost too nice at times. A few years ago, when I first started boxing regularly, I once walked a guy into a right hand and bloodied his nose, I felt so bad and started apologizing. The coach yelled at me "what the **** do you think that happens when you hit someone?!" LOL.)



Gerry, on the other hand, adds another dimension, the power and a little meanness.



I always thought I wasn't much of power puncher. And to be fair, I'll never be an explosive hitter. But I do know this: If I can connect with one of those shots we worked on, someone is going to feel it.



I still think the Bay is the place for him. But if he wants to stay local, Gerry can definitely help him out.



At the very least, Chris would benefit TREMENDOUSLY from having him on board as a consultant or just train with him once in a while.



The thing about Chris is that he's like clay; he can be formed. He's not a finished product. He had no amateur experience, there are still things that can be built on to what he has, elements to add to his repertoire.



And to be fair, if he really wants to be a master boxer, he has to be a well-rounded FIGHTER. He's one-dimensional right now.



Another thing I also like about Gerry is that he's not the type of boxing trainer that gets mad at you. He'll correct you, he'll be stern but he won't demean you.



I tried to do Gerry's left hook after he showed me and I failed completely. He said to me, "what the f*** are you doing?!" But he had a smile on his face and then said to me, "come on, baby, let me show you."



Then he would tap me and remind me to keep my hands up.



There's this one guy who comes on the show from time to time. I don't dislike him personally and his personality can be crass, but as an unpolished boxer, I wouldn't want to work with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnwvR0XnZRA



He's almost a bully. I don't like bullies. Yeah, you gotta be able to take it, yeah it's the hurt game, yeah, you can't be weak mentally, but if you're a Wall St. guy, academic cat, you're not going to like someone demeaning you.



(Roger Mayweather is actually mean, too. Jeff Mayweather, on the other hand, teaches you but he's very nice and doesn't call you names.)



If anyone is interested/cares, next time I go, I'm gonna see if I can get some footage of me working mitts with Gerry. And yes, I still fully intend on taking on the Danish dude. Here's a video of him fighting a boxer on the move; has no clue what to do.



Sorry if this was too long.



Short version, I agree -- Gerry would be a blessing to Chris. Let Tim Lane be his kickboxing trainer. I bet Chris can go back and forth between the two and make great money now that he has become famous.

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stormcentre:

"You view ESPN3 on your PC or tablet. You must download the ESPN App. Even I was able to do it!

-Randy G."


Have you got a link or URL for the app Randy?

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stormcentre:

Back on the 12/9/2014 - or the 9/12/2014 for the American readers, at . . .

http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?17302-How-Will-Floyd-Mayweather-Be-Remembered&p=63996&viewfull=1#post63996

I wrote this . . . .

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Re: How Will Floyd Mayweather Be Remembered

Mayweather (within reason) would probably fight anyone.

However, (after Judah) he knew that a prime, fast, southpaw like Pacqiuao - particularly one that had surplus amounts of unnatural energy and had knocked out previous Mayweather victims better than him - was always going to be a stylistic problem.

So a little ducking took place behind some PED allegations.

The PED allegations, however, resulted in reactions from Pacqiuao that even the Mayweather camp didn't expect; ultimately validating their concerns in ways they and Pacqiuao couldn't have imagined.

So Pacqiuao did a little ducking . . . . unless you believe he - as a tattooed man and professional fighter that now (he's not KTFO of dudes and Ariza is gone) claims the tests are OK - was too scared to give blood.

Talk about circus!!!

Still, I won't be surprised to see Mayweather make the fight before he bows out.

Particularly now that Pacman has been beat, has declined a bit, and is not as observably on the "juice".

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The big question is, can Floyd right now resist the temptation to use a mega-fight with Pacquiao as a form of public misdirection and to rise above all the controversy and negative publicity associated with his current self, when it is at a time when if ever there were good reasons for ducking there are a plethora of them now; hence putting his undefeated record at risk at a time when he is perhaps the most psychologically vulnerable?

That consideration and circumstance in itself, somehow, always seems to find boxings' great champions before they retire and in that sense it will probably only add to the intrigue associated with any potential Mayweather V Pacquaio fight.

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The Commish:

"I don't know what channel ESPN3 is on Optimum. Look through your listings. I'm sure it will be there.



Still want you in-studio with Cooney, me and The Shadow.



-Randy G."




You view ESPN3 on your PC or tablet. You must download the ESPN App. Even I was able to do it!



-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"There is no such thing as a “correct” list. Attempts can be made to validate by quantification, but in the end, the subjective nature of any list comparing fighters across different weight categories will be the subject of heated debate and a magnet for many incoming arrows (or worse).

These days, most of the same names appear on each list. With the advantage of compiling mine after the Pacquiao- Algieri beatdown on November 22, 2014 and keeping in mind that a PFP should reflect a current snapshot in time (thus eliminating Hopkins based on his loss to Kovalev and Andre Ward because of his inactivity), here is my list as of November 24, 2014: In compiling it, I carefully weighted and analyzed records, style, chin, KO percentages, skill-sets, quality of opposition, and especially dominance.

A Pound for Pound List as of 11/24/14.


1. Tie: Floyd Mayweather-and-Manny Pacquiao
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Wladimir Klitschko
5. Carl Froch
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7 Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Gennady Golovkin
10. Vasyl Lomachenko

As for Pacquiao moving into a tie with Mayweather, Manny’s last three fights –or even his last four out of five--show a fighter who hardly appears to be fading. I cannot say the same for Mayweather who now often fights off the ropes instead of in the middle of the ring—a sure sign that something has changed. If Mayweather decides to fight a Keith Thurman and if he wins, he owns Number One. If he fights Jesse Vargas, he doesn’t.

Much is being made of Rigondeaux, but given what the Jamaican “Axeman” did to Nonito Donaire recently and given the bore fest Rigondeaux fought against Joseph Agbeko, perhaps a bit too much is being made of him. That likely has something to do with his outstanding amateur record, but if so, World Champion Vasyl Lomachenko, by extension and inclusion, should also get his due. Moreover, any guy who can win a fight with one hand against a 52-1 fighter possesses, to use Jim Lampley’s terms, “breathtaking and special skills.”

Golovkin makes his debut as he continues to rampage through the middleweight division and as he continues to knock out every one he faces. Sergey Kovalev is also included because of his dominating win over Bernard Hopkins. Simple logic dictates that if Kovalev handily beats Hopkins, he should replace him on the list. Otherwise, it was wrong to have listed Hopkins in the first place. And thankfully, I avoided that mistake.

Thus, my list includes four Eastern European fighters (three of whom may soon make it difficult for Froch and Juan Manuel Marquez to retain their lofty positions), and for the very first time, a change at the top.

Oh yes, Juan Francisco Estrada would be next up on my list, but Mikey Garcia and Keith Thurman are lurking."


That is a BOLD list, but I think it's bold by putting $$$May & Pacman in a tie for first. Come on. Pick one.

Also,Froch may be a bit high, but that's just my opinion. Also, Francisco Estrada would be NEXT? How Nicaragua's Roman Gonzalez? Roman is a dynamic world champion. Roman is 41-0. Roman also BEAT Estrada!!!

Our new TSS PxP ratings will be up Monday morning.

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

"Several times, I didn't live far from York Hall at when I was young and we had a friend who's dad worked the doors. We'd turn up and sneak in making our way to the balcony and watch the fights almost every week. I remember Eubank looked as if he was taking it all in, he often looked like he had a deep sense of spite.

He had this awkward style with his elbows not tucked in and crouching a bit, but his jabs were like flashes and if he hit you with the right you dropped. Now I think I distinctly remember one fight, he lured his opponent onto a right straight which sent him over backwards, ref gave him a count and he got up, but as soon as the ref resumed the action he took a knee! The ref said no you don't and told him to get up! I hadn't seen anything like that before. In the second round Chris landed a right to the body and a right to the head that had his man sprawled on his back completely out.

Now his son has decided to follow on in the same vain.. Has the apple fallen not far from the tree or is it a show for our eyes? I think it's the latter but we will find out this weekend.

And you're right but Billy Joe has built his confidence through his career. When you take stock of his background and compare it to his accomplishments thus far (with a similar number of pro fights as Chris) then you start to see the vast gulf of difference between the two. One is his own man, bearing all the burden on his own back and carrying it all forward whilst the other is building up his own with that of his father. I know which man I prefer storm!"


Yes, my question was a rhetorical one.

I was quite sure you had seen Eubank Sr. fight either live or on celluloid; or both.

A very good friend of mine, whom lives in England and used to see Chris out a bit reckons (in his boxing prime) he used to get around wearing a top hat and monocle.

http://www.google.com.au/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=monacle&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=-M13VLG2IMOB8gWCtoGgCQ&ved=0CDcQsAQ

That's hilarious, but totally believable.

:)

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