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deepwater2:

"I agree with Grimm. GGG has no one on his resume like Donaire. Not really his fault but GGG needs a big fight soon. 168 has the big names. If Cotto won't fight him the only way GGG can get a big fight is to move up."



Hey guys there might be a ray of hope. De la Hoya is on the computer saying GGG looks good but Quillen can beat him. Oscar has to put some pressure on Haymon/Quillen and get them a nice purse. Oscar make it happen!



It can be a win-win. Quillen has never head lined a card. Well he can headline his first card in NY against GGG, get his highest payday to date and see where he belongs at the top or not. If he can last 12 and doesn't win he can still come back. If GGG wins he gets another big notch on his belt and another belt. This is the fight fans should be calling for.

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gibola:

GGG is very good but I'm not getting carried away. It's a very good dimension I admit, but there is a robotic, one-dimensional feel to it all. His head movement isn't great, he's hittable. He can certainly walk people down and hurt them, he has a good jab and chin, but we haven't seen many other facets yet - this ain't SRL. I wish people (including in his own team) would stop mentioning a move to 168, it's not really fair on him. They say he can make 154 so his future should be Cotto, PBF, Canelo and Quillan. All huge fights and winning one would qualify him to fight the next. If he really can make 154 I would suggest a move down there now and pick up a title. That's where the money and the opponents are. If not he's gonna be resigned to fighting Soliman, BJ Saunders and Sturm and who wants to see that? If he signed to fight Froch tomorrow I'd be very excited but I think he'd get worn down and stopped by a bigger, stronger (if less talented) guy with a chin and a punch. I do however think GGG would stop Cotto and Canelo right now at 154 or 160. That is where he should go. He may just get by a Chavez Jr, though I wouldn't advise it, but fighting a Ward or a Froch is the worst career decision he could make right now and his own people should shut up about doing it.

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the Roast:

I agree with Grimm. GGG has no one on his resume like Donaire. Not really his fault but GGG needs a big fight soon. 168 has the big names. If Cotto won't fight him the only way GGG can get a big fight is to move up.

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Skibbz:

"In all fairness, GGG hasn't met the equivalent of a Donaire, since the middleweight division has been pretty void of special talents for a number of years. Not saying he wouldn't win - he most likely would - but it isn't like he's faced that famous murderers row. The irony is that GGG - possibly the most exciting middleweight for decades - very likely will wrap up his career without never having faced anyone that could give him his defining fight/s, just like every general needs a worthy opponent to really ensure their place in history - unless Ward is willing to dance.

Speaking of Ward, I agree with D2."


He hasn't but those he has faced who had some calibre to them he made look like nothing anyhow.

Two fighters who I think are willing to square off against Gennady would be David Lemieux from Canada who has a record of 32(30) and 2 losses and Matt Korobov from Russia, 24(14), who beat the Venezuelan Jose Azcetegui for the WBO InterCont MW belt..

Lemieux likes to come forward and meet you in the middle, or take you to the ropes and really wind up on shots to the body and head. It would make for a really fun fight to watch, and I guess it gives David some more exposure state side.. He's not a bad boxer to boot and although his record has a lot of padding on it I think he would like to take a crack at GGG and would fancy his own power.

Korobov would get flattened in all honesty, but it's a fight and I think Korobov would go out on his feet, he's got good combinations and awareness but he's no match for Gennady quite frankly.

I'm personally not too keen on seeing Solomon face GGG but at least his belt would be on the line and it would really start to force a decision from Cotto and Quillin.

What are the chances of Cotto calling Quillin and forcing that fight? I fancy him catching Quillin who isn't too sound defensively in my opinion, and then there could be a big attractive MW unification fight.

Canelo will be around in 2015 for Cotto to chase.

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The Commish:

Rosie Perez and Barry Tompkins are two outstanding boxing personalities. Rosie has been an in-studio guest of me and Gerry Cooney, and knows an incredible amount about what's happening in the sport today. Barry is nothing less than a joy to be around and talk boxing with.

I remember his call on HBO of Tyson's beating Trevor Berbick for the heavyweight title:

"There is a new era in the heavyweight division..."

Wish I could be out in Las Vegas for this tremendous dinner.

-Randy G.

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Grimm:

"GGG should be above Rigo.

Sure Rigo is a phenom skill and talent wise but what has he done besides beat Donaire?
And in that win he got floored.

GGG has not lost a round in how long?"


In all fairness, GGG hasn't met the equivalent of a Donaire, since the middleweight division has been pretty void of special talents for a number of years. Not saying he wouldn't win - he most likely would - but it isn't like he's faced that famous murderers row. The irony is that GGG - possibly the most exciting middleweight for decades - very likely will wrap up his career without never having faced anyone that could give him his defining fight/s, just like every general needs a worthy opponent to really ensure their place in history - unless Ward is willing to dance.

Speaking of Ward, I agree with D2.

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The Commish:

Great article by a great writer.

I remember hoping that a Muhammad Ali v Wilt Chamberlain fight would happen. In my mind, Wilt was quite possibly the greatest athlete ever seen. Go check his stats, not just in basketball, but in other sports, as well. If there ever was a physical phenomenon in sports, it was Wilt. He could run faster, jump higher and was stronger than even the strongest weight-lifters.

"Chamberlain would have been a tremendous fighter," basketball star Dave DeBusshere once told me. Big Dave was, along with Bert Sugar, an owner of The Ring, and I got to know him well between 1979-1984. We often talked about the physical prowess of Wilt.

"I never saw anything like him," said DeBusschere, himself a tremendous athlete, both a star in the NBA and a pitcher for the Chicago White Sox.

"Rebounding against Chamberlain was impossible," said DeBusschere. "One on one, nobody could move him. Nobody! So, you couldn't move him and you couldn't outjump him. When he went for a rebound, he got it. The only time he didn't is when the ball hit the rim and flew in a direction away from Wilt. I have never seen anybody so big and strong and agile."

When I asked DeBusschere if talk of an Ali-Chamberlain fight was ridiculous, DeBusschere replied, "The fight was one that Wilt wanted badly. I'd sometimes see him shadowboxing in the hallway before the game. He knew what he was doing. He would have been a helluva fighter. He was no joke. He was nobody to mess with, to get physical with. If he and Ali fought, and he beat Ali, I would not have been surprised."

In 1994, I sat next to Wilt at the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament. I told him I always wanted to see him challenge Ali for the title.

"Had I fought Ali," said Chamberlain, "we would have had a second fight, a rematch." Then, he added, "In that fight, Ali would have been the challenger." He was certain of it.

Muhammad Ali vs Wilt Chamberlain. I often think about what would have happened had they fought and if Wilt had become a fighter and not one of the greatest NBA stars ever.

Wilt Chamberlain in boxing. The course of the heavyweight division in the 1960's may have been entirely different.

Thanks to Bernard Fernandez for bringing that memory back.

-Randy G.

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deepwater2:

I don't like to say it but I think Ward has to be demoted out of the top 5 for lack of activity. It is nice to see GGG so high on the list already. He might be number one or number two after 2-3 more fights. GGG vs Floyd at 152! GGG vs Cotto/Quillen at 160! Hopkins/Ward/Chavez Jr vs GGG at 168!

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amayseng:

Good video RG, nice hook, although those shorts, ha

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amayseng:

GGG should be above Rigo.

Sure Rigo is a phenom skill and talent wise but what has he done besides beat Donaire?
And in that win he got floored.

GGG has not lost a round in how long?

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amayseng:

Please Lord not Mora, the guy is an anti fighter, he has ruined a many of career for his opponents by boring them and the fans to sleep.

Mora has nothing to offer the fight game or fight fans.


Where is Cotto? Why isn't that fight being pushed by the commision or do they not do that anymore?

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The Commish:

"Maybe you guys mentioned this in another post during my absence but Shawn Porter is notoriously absent from anything above. I do not think he is P4P top 10 yet but if you have Thurman, Crawford, & Lomachenko on the honorable mention, I think Porter should get a nod there as well."

I do believe Shawn Porter will soon be included, not just in honorable mention, but in the Top 10.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Great video! The grandkids will love it!

-Randy G.

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brownsugar:

"Soliman makes a ton of sense. I can see HBO trying to get that to happen to get Golovkin to start unifying the Middleweight titles.



Another name that I forgot about and may be possible is Sergio Mora. Mora has in the past stated his desire to face Golovkin. He is a name and brings his slick style to the table. Frankly, as I have previously stated, there just aren't many out there right now willing to face Golovkin for one reason or another. I would not be surprised to see Mora get some consideration especially if Soliman passes on the fight."






Agreed...



And I doubt Mora is not as slippery as he was when he beat the late Vernon Forrest

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the Roast:

Damn Radam you even hit the GOAT when he was down? Shame on you Fists Rapido!

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oubobcat:

"Team Golovkin is currently pursuing a unification fight with Sam Soliman. Soliman had declined an earlier offer to fight the ultra-achieving Golovkin...but the 40 year old title holder is supposedly ready to unify titles with Golovkin before the end of 2014.

Even if Soliman backs out HBO is determined to keep their flagship fighter as busy as possible with a TBA (if necessary)event as early as October or November."


Soliman makes a ton of sense. I can see HBO trying to get that to happen to get Golovkin to start unifying the Middleweight titles.

Another name that I forgot about and may be possible is Sergio Mora. Mora has in the past stated his desire to face Golovkin. He is a name and brings his slick style to the table. Frankly, as I have previously stated, there just aren't many out there right now willing to face Golovkin for one reason or another. I would not be surprised to see Mora get some consideration especially if Soliman passes on the fight.

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oubobcat:

Both are before my time but I have seen plenty of tape and read up quite a bit on both. By all accounts and from what I have viewed, Chuvalo had one of the best chins in the history of the sport (up there with Jake LaMotta). Cobb took a thrashing from Holmes and displayed one heck of a beard in that contest.

I was thinking about this during the time I have been watching boxing (starting later in the 80's) and who had the best chins I can remember. And two names put to the top of my head. One was Julio Cesar Chavez and the other believe it or not was Hector Camacho.

Chavez had a tremendous beard in his prime. I remember being in absolute total shock when Frankie Randall put him down in 1994. I never thought we'd see that happen. In his prime thought, Chavez seemingly walked through everything that landed on him and kept coming forward.

Camacho fought some of the biggest punchers in the sport during his time and was never knocked out 88 professional fights. And did not have a lot of knockdowns in 673 total rounds boxed. Yes in many of the bigger fights he was on his bicycle or held a lot. But still you are going to get hit and he absorbed his share of big punches from hard punchers without ever being knocked out. Names on his resume include Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Mancini, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, an older Roberto Duran and many others. Like him or not, Camacho had one heck of a beard.

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oubobcat:

I will say for my own personal rankings I will be moving Golovkin up the board to number two. I will wait to compile my final rankings for this time frame until after the Kovalev fight though as depending on his performance could move up a little or down.

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Skibbz:

Great video Radam, a nice reminder of some of the things Ali did other than fighting in the ring. That kid sure can punch.

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deepwater2:

The Jeopardy answer of the day.



Boxing for $1000, Alec.



Andre Dirrell has a chance against GGG.



What is something that no one says ever?



Correct!



Lets forget about Dirrell until he gets a big win under his belt. He was hard to watch when he was active. Let The Shadow Al Haymon set him up with some bums for easy money until we talk about GGG vs Dirrell.

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Skibbz:

"They’re not ready to say “Hagler”. Soon, maybe."

Soon I believe too. It's interesting, when Duran was started to make a name for himself on major under cards, the big reporters and writers were skeptical until they saw him fight in person. They soon became believers. I think it's much the same with Gennady. When you see it with your own eyes, you can't help but start to be persuaded. Then you look at his resume and think, maybe this guy can do it. I think he will unify the division by the end of 2015 at the latest.

That said too much of a whirlwind to superstardom has ruined many, although not everyone is the same. What d'you make of him Mort?

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Skibbz:

Just putting it out there, no one beats Golovkin from 160-168. Give me a name, and I'll tell you how many rounds it would take.

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thegreyman:

"He really only "came up short" against Froch. And that was a disputed split decision where he really won. He beat the living pi$$ out of an undefeated Arthur Abraham.

He's beaten GGG before, that's why I say it.

As far as courage, exchange etc I just listed what I liked about him. Don't find him any more courageous than other fighters. His power is great, though, I like that. Didn't mention that.

I'm not particularly fond of guys who like to stand and trade and slug. Besides, if he ever found himself outgunned, I'm sure he would adjust instead of fighting fire with fire."


And Golovkin beat Dirrell handily in 2004 at Athens. Golovkin was, even with half the skills he has now, banging away at the body, commanding the ring and the flow of the fight, taking away Dirrell's jab and completely controlling range. I can't see how you could think, after seeing that fight, that Dirrell could seriously bother GGG.

As we've said countless times here, the amateurs are NOT the same as the pros. Amateurs award for quantity, not quality- amateur bouts are a sporting contest, pro's are a fight to the end.

Golovkin's punching was of much greater quality in that fight- his combinations, the power behind his punches, and his body work, which was partly ignored by the judges, would have been devastating had the gloves not been such huge mittens.

And Golovkin has improved drastically in the last 10 years, while Dirrell has not. His mastery of cutting off the ring, of switching between body and head with masterfully placed combinations. Not to mention his power.

I suggest you re-watch the fight because think you're deceiving yourself when it comes to GGG vs Dirrell.

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mortcola:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


Hindsight, but I honestly thought Cotto’s fundamentals would expose Martinez. Just not as dramatically. Even Martinez doesn’t blame the knee, by the way. I love Cotto. I just don’t think he is durable to last the distance, although he’ll make it a good fight.

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mortcola:

"Another demolition job of someone who had never been stopped. What will Golovkin's naysayers say now?"



They're not ready to say "Hagler". Soon, maybe.

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Radam G:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


It doesn't mean JACK about a division title. It is about the money. M-Co is a big welterweight fighting middleweight. Welterweights have a long history of fighting weak middleweights for the right money fight and winning. Sugar Ray Leonard was an exception in fighting and narrowly beating super-strong middleweight-king Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

Mexican-Cuban Jose Napoles almost committed suicide challenging the late, great middleweight Carlos Monzon for not enough dinero.

Three g cannot draw big. And he is a good-size middleweight with stealth and pop. Fudge him! Let him dance with the other alphabet belt titleholders. M-Co is going to fight and whup the red-headed hype for $25mil plus. Holla!

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the Roast:

Interesting watch. Tex Cobb comes to mind for best punch eater. That fight with Holmes is legendary for the amount of flush punches Tex got hit with. Howard Cosell turned his back on boxing after that one. George was a little before my time.

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the Roast:

"That's your libido messing with you - always thinking about girls in skirts chasing a ball on a court can do that to a man."

You could be right Grimm. I do spend a lot of time chasing that yellow ball on the court. I have a very narrow focus when it comes to that. When the point is over, good or bad, you put it out of your mind and move on to the next one.
I could have just hit the greatest shot of all time or missed an easy overhead, its all the same. There's another ball coming right up.
Same thing with the skirts. No matter if you hit or miss there will be another one coming around the corner.

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the Roast:

"Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.



M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!"




You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.

You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.

Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter.

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The Good Doctor:

Maybe you guys mentioned this in another post during my absence but Shawn Porter is notoriously absent from anything above. I do not think he is P4P top 10 yet but if you have Thurman, Crawford, & Lomachenko on the honorable mention, I think Porter should get a nod there as well.

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