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stormcentre:

"Storm, too much gold to address with just one brief post.



Indeed, you're right. The Golden Boy brand isn't valuable because of Oscar. It's valuable IN SPITE of Oscar who has since become a liability due to his drug use.



He's a joke, more or less, among media. Corporations don't respect him as he doesn't have a Q-rating of note anymore. He doesn't generate big money anymore; Floyd does.



Oscar on his own can do nothing. He's not particularly bright. He doesn't have all the right relationships; Schaefer and Haymon do. "






Yep, you're right.



It's hard to knock a man when he's down and he's the one that helped you (Schaefer didn't give up his Swiss Bank LA and UBS roles because he could make less with GBP), and drilling Oscar right now whilst he recovers from drug issues wouldn't look or be right.



But no-one can say that in the glitzy world of big business, PPV broadcasting and global promotions, Oscar's image really needs a rethink.



He does not come across as a marketable or believable guy anymore, and whilst he may have thought that he had the casting sorted, having Schaefer in the office has worked a treat because it is Oscar that has had to sell the fights, and since Oscar/GBP have mostly made their cash off of trying to beat Floyd; all Oscar's predictions (in relation to their fighter's fighting Floyd) have done is show the world how misleading, jaded and incorrect Oscar really is.



Combined with the fish net stockings, and other "adventures" Oscar had people are now less forgiving about how managed his career really was.



Think about it. His boxing partner (Hopkins) is everything Oscar aspired to be. But, he, like Floyd, beat Oscar. In fact, Bernard exposed and flogged Oscar.



Also, without the Schaefer and Mayweather association it is doubtable that GBP would be so successful. But, Floyd (whilst not flogging Oscar physically) just outclassed him after a tour that thoroughly embarrassed him.



So Oscar lives everyday in the "Shadow" (just thought I would throw that name in there for you :) ) of the 2 guys that exposed him. Almost as if he is defined by his losses and useless without them.



And with every prediction of his fighter against Floyd that went successively wrong the paranoia set in and played havoc with what was once probably a casual habit.



Now things have got to a point where Oscar and GBP - at least in terms of competing as a PPV entity (which really where the big money, boys, business and reputation for promoters really is) - are effectively reliant upon Floyd Mayweather.



And that relationship will not exist without Richard Schaefer.



So, in some ways, Oscar controls nothing and has the responsibility for everything.



This is the business equivalent of wearing women's clothing and snorting cocaine whilst pretending to be the toughest prizefighter out there.



Funny that.



And in this way, Floyd is the antithesis of all Oscar is.



He controls what matters of GBP. He has beaten Oscar in every way; popularity, fighting, wealth (probably) and most importantly he has proven that he is an authentic fighter that can rule the ring even though his matchmaking comes under scrutiny.



In Oscar's mind Floyd owns him and that bothers him to the point where his conduct, mouth and business moves are not always as controlled as Schaefer or Oscar himself would like.





" Oscar's value to a promotional outfit is adding that fighter dimension the suits lack. That helps with recruitment and building trust. But he has no corporate clout.



His lack of reliability due to his addictions don't exactly make things better, either.



In fact, they would be wise to just phase out any reference to Golden Boy and refer to it as GBP. This they can do with or without Oscar De La Hoya.



"Global Boxing Productions" or "Global Boxing Partners." It wouldn't even be infringement.



I think the only sticking point is the fighter contracts, which at the end of the day are the main assets of the promoter.



So Oscar, as the majority shareholder, has leverage there, I would think.



I do think that had Schaefer had those rights, beef with De La Hoya would've led to Richard just breaking ties. But for now, everyone is best served getting along.



By the way Storm, since I know who you are, do you mind sending that article over via PM?



And you're right -- there are no ethics to violate so what the heck is the problem."








Hopkins, should he roll over to Showtime, Haymon or any other promotional outfit with Schaefer - if he is considering it - or even if they use Hopkins as the main fighter-dimension for now; easily serves as a better boxing mascot for GBP right now.



He doesn't make silly predictions. He fights well. He only talks too much. But then, he is a living legend whose record looks impressive even if you don't read it, as there are so many titles there it's like he easts world champions for breakfast.



I think Oscar would have himself tied into the company pretty well from a legal perspective, but should Schaefer decided to roll as above described or similar; I doubt that Oscar would continue as a promoter.



He would just fade into the distance as another wealthy fighter/promoter who did well for themselves. It would be a bittersweet existence for him as many would say "you have all that life could offer" whilst he himself would always be eaten away with what was unobtainable and the mistakes.



Such is success and fame, boxing and Floyd Mayweather.



I actually don't know where the Dettlof article is. I don't have a copy of it.



Happy to have you PM me on who you think I am.

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stormcentre:

"In response to a couple of comments I'll say this. When Mayweather fought Ricky Hatton the ref would break the fighters apart every time Hatton got inside and Mayweather tried to clinch. Had Hatton been able to fight his fight it may very well have ended up with a different result. Anyone who doubts me just might watch that fight again, or for the first time, with an eye towards what I just said. If Maidana draws a better ref and is allowed to fight inside he might just have the right tools and game plan to win the fight. I'm hoping so anyway, but in my quest to see a Mayweather /Pacquiao fight I will wait until after the fight and download it for dissection later.

Jerry Lynch"


That’s not an entirely unreasonable view Jerry.

Floyd was assisted by the referee in his Hatton fight.

Actually, Floyd is assisted by the referee in most fights, truth be told.

That happens when (effectively) you're the referee’s paymaster and the promoter, main draw card and everything else that matters in not only the fight and promotion - but also boxing.

The real issue is whether what the referee did would have changed the outcome.

I think it would have changed a few rounds at most, as Hatton - for a few rounds - was really having his way a bit there with Floyd.

But, Hatton has no plan “B”. This was proven by how he was unable to change styles afterwards, regardless of trainers.

Look at Collazo and a few other fights he had, particularly those at welterweight where Hatton was simply too short and not powerful and/or adaptable enough.

Mostly though, and exactly as Mayweather said before the fight, Hatton has absolutely no defence.

These 2 (proven) considerations alone meant that Hatton was always going to bowl straight in, get frustrated with any deviation from his expectations, and be open to Floyd’s superior thinking and skills.

As soon as Hatton fought and struggled with Louis Mayweather knew this.

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu in an excellent display of fighting, but Kostya Tszyu was almost always there in front of him.

As soon as Mayweather had Hatton frustrated and adjusted to his attacking distance requirements, all Ricky could do was lunge and/or come in with no defence. And that was exactly what he did.

Once that happened, the game was - embarrassingly - over.

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu on raw aggression and stamina (and Tszyu’s wear and tear and inactivity).

Floyd was careful enough to ensure that he didn’t make the same mistake, and he knew that in order for Hatton, particularly his style, to be successful he needed a dance partner.

Problem solved right there.

Don’t give him what he wants and if you can still operate like that, do it.

This is why Floyd often uses defensive techniques as a priority (the opposite of most fighters), pot shots, and takes home the “W”.

Hatton was never going to win.

He may have looked better losing if the referee hadn’t helped Floyd and looked the other way with the elbows and so forth.

But, Hatton too is a dirty fighter. Like Floyd, he often holds, then hits, and he has a few little tricks.

The main problem for Hatton with that loss in my view, was the fact that he talked it up so much beforehand, had half of GB there, and then got beautifully walked into a check-hook that had him kissing the ring-post, canvass and sky, in that order.

That’s why big event and marquee level fighting is the big time.

The public embarrassment of the loss can change fighter’s lives and become a far greater issue than the loss itself.

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stormcentre:

I think Rigo would probably welcome that approach.

He wouldn’t have to look for openings and/or opportunities.

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stormcentre:

Lucky I never committed then eh?

Otherwise I would have you on my case RG!!!! :)

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stormcentre:

"A jewish Harvard-trained millionaire lawyer with hookups in the highest of places vs. a fighter from meager beginnings.

A mismatch of the highest order. A KO to earn a draw is a wonderful metaphor.

Even when Gamboa escaped, Bob still won.

The only time he hasn't "won" was when Floyd left and became the biggest star. That eats at him everyday more than anything.

Yet he still won as he used Floyd's departure to launch the PPV careers of Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao and made more millions of that than he ever would off Floyd.

If Miguel Garcia escapes, somehow the vindictive, spiteful master promoter will find a way to win that, too."


Agreed.

Gamboa looked to be in a good legal position as he really didn’t commit to the Rios fight and Bob (in my view) blinded home with legal BS and red tape.

Of course Arum put Gamboa’s career on freeze also, and that became such a big thing that winning the ever increasingly stressful court case soon got relegated to second priority.

In fact, I heard that Gamboa was so stressed about it that training was hard also.

Makes sense when you're unable to do all you know and have defected for in your defected country and your homeland Cuba hates you and would love to see you deported.

Legal matters have a habit of trying your resilience in ways that make boxing seem easy. Trust me I know.

Garcia(s) have been smart about this one though.

They haven’t pulled the pin on TR until there are several legal points of note (Ali act, 7 years expired . . etc) and all that, and of course until they have other promotional options, of which the Maidana fight presents as one example.

What a coincidence that Robert is now in business with Al Haymon and Floyd, and now they are looking at how TR has not complied with the law and its own contract.

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The Good Doctor:

"I like it, Doc. Only problem is, whether he throws 120 or 80, either output will render him bloody, brain damaged and/or unconscious before round nine.

Floyd is Teflon, immune to left hooks. His eyes are the best in the business, perhaps the best of all time (I only see Ali and Rigo being in that league).

The only time I have seen him mis-gauge an incoming hook is to the body, which will only happen once or twice in a fight at most.

I don't care how much Maidana feints a jab to the body only to turn it into a hook last minute. It will not work vs. Floyd like it did vs. Broner. Broner's eyes are not and will never be a good as Floyd's.

Casual viewers will see the stance and think similarity and thus give Marcos Rene a chance.

The only chance he has is in the early rounds as Floyd is still processing data like a computer. Once Floyd figures you out, it doesn't matter if you attempt another game plan or Plan E.

It won't work.

The way I see it, he has only one shot. Top level fighters rarely make the same mistake twice. He needs to catch him with a titanic right hand in the first or second round and take Floyd to a place he has never been before in training.

Where that place is, I don't know. Whether that's stunning him or injuring him, he has to do it.

But Floyd prepares too well and has seen too much.

But back to the punch activity. I think your best, most cerebral point is Maidana having to go in there with the mindset that he will have to win rounds without having success and not letting it discourage him.

Floyd plays so many mind games so mental resilience will be key.

If there's a blueprint of any kind for him to use, it would be Angulo vs. Lara in terms of just going balls to the wall.

So I guess that takes us back to throwing 80 punches per round. He risks getting brutalized but at the same time it's a numbers game.

If he throws that many punches, he at least has a greater chance of one getting through.

Man! Floyd Mayweather is like a damn Rubik's cube."


Everything you said is correct. I re-read what I posted and I actually think its a great plan but I think the problem is that it doesn't work for Maidana. Maidana's issue may not be a plan, but the actual mental acuity and ability to carry a good one out. I don't think he can. Evidently most of the world doesn't either because the betting lines have reach as high as +950.

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The Shadow:

"In response to a couple of comments I'll say this. When Mayweather fought Ricky Hatton the ref would break the fighters apart every time Hatton got inside and Mayweather tried to clinch. Had Hatton been able to fight his fight it may very well have ended up with a different result. Anyone who doubts me just might watch that fight again, or for the first time, with an eye towards what I just said. If Maidana draws a better ref and is allowed to fight inside he might just have the right tools and game plan to win the fight. I'm hoping so anyway, but in my quest to see a Mayweather /Pacquiao fight I will wait until after the fight and download it for dissection later.

Jerry Lynch"


I don't know about that, what I saw in that fight was Floyd beating Ricky Hatton on the inside at his own game. I tri looking for that the last few times I watched it as I heard some complain about the referee breaking them up too quickly.

But Floyd was beating him on the inside rather easily anyhow.

Two posts in three years?! Man! What brings you out Jerry?

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The Shadow:

Storm, too much gold to address with just one brief post.

Indeed, you're right. The Golden Boy brand isn't valuable because of Oscar. It's valuable IN SPITE of Oscar who has since become a liability due to his drug use.

He's a joke, more or less, among media. Corporations don't respect him as he doesn't have a Q-rating of note anymore. He doesn't generate big money anymore; Floyd does.

Oscar on his own can do nothing. He's not particularly bright. He doesn't have all the right relationships; Schaefer and Haymon do.

Oscar's value to a promotional outfit is adding that fighter dimension the suits lack. That helps with recruitment and building trust. But he has no corporate clout.

His lack of reliability due to his addictions don't exactly make things better, either.

In fact, they would be wise to just phase out any reference to Golden Boy and refer to it as GBP. This they can do with or without Oscar De La Hoya.

"Global Boxing Productions" or "Global Boxing Partners." It wouldn't even be infringement.

I think the only sticking point is the fighter contracts, which at the end of the day are the main assets of the promoter.

So Oscar, as the majority shareholder, has leverage there, I would think.

I do think that had Schaefer had those rights, beef with De La Hoya would've led to Richard just breaking ties. But for now, everyone is best served getting along.

By the way Storm, since I know who you are, do you mind sending that article over via PM?

And you're right -- there are no ethics to violate so what the heck is the problem.

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stormcentre:

Man, Paulie is a good guy, pretty slick, has moves and some defence; but he has no faith in his power and ability to trade out and seriously exchange when it matters.

Cotto roughed him right up and I don't see Paulie beating anyone that confidently calls out and handles Cotto the way Floyd did.

I really like Paulie though, and I hope he continues to do well, but he will eat right hand counters over the top of his jab as it comes out of its rabbit warren, and also as it scutters back to the hole, low, tired and leaving the jawline exposed.

Paulie's defence and punch resistance aint that flash either. Sure he can move and stay upright, but if he takes the fight to medium range and starts trading with guys that have better speed, movement and power, then the game changes.

Let's see how he goes against Porter, as he has his work cut out for him right there.

Finally, the Judah Paulie beat was not the same one that Floyd beat, even though that one was not the same that Kostya Tszyu beat.

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gelynch52ph:

In response to a couple of comments I'll say this. When Mayweather fought Ricky Hatton the ref would break the fighters apart every time Hatton got inside and Mayweather tried to clinch. Had Hatton been able to fight his fight it may very well have ended up with a different result. Anyone who doubts me just might watch that fight again, or for the first time, with an eye towards what I just said. If Maidana draws a better ref and is allowed to fight inside he might just have the right tools and game plan to win the fight. I'm hoping so anyway, but in my quest to see a Mayweather /Pacquiao fight I will wait until after the fight and download it for dissection later.



Jerry Lynch

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stormcentre:

Excellent, is there any more to the story?

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The Shadow:

"I love seeing how boxers, trainers, people fare against Bob.

Gamboa (with his dismiss of the Rios fight) looked like he was in a good legal position a few years back, but Bob, his legal qualifications and connections, and of course his money; almost always finds a way to win.

Sometimes it gets to the point where, when fighting Bob, you need a KO just to get a draw.

Hey, that's similar to when Tim Bradley fought Pacquaio the first time.

Who was the promoter of that fight again?

Who will win this war?

Anyone care to make a prediction?"


A jewish Harvard-trained millionaire lawyer with hookups in the highest of places vs. a fighter from meager beginnings.

A mismatch of the highest order. A KO to earn a draw is a wonderful metaphor.

Even when Gamboa escaped, Bob still won.

The only time he hasn't "won" was when Floyd left and became the biggest star. That eats at him everyday more than anything.

Yet he still won as he used Floyd's departure to launch the PPV careers of Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao and made more millions of that than he ever would off Floyd.

If Miguel Garcia escapes, somehow the vindictive, spiteful master promoter will find a way to win that, too.

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Radam G:

Wow! T-Brad has never and will never beat Da Manny no how, no way. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"

Violating the ethics of sports in a world where none exist hardly amounts to murder."


Ahh that's a true line right there.

What effing ethics is there to violate.

Dettloff was one of the better writers of the Ring (google his pieces and read) and, as Oscar had one foot in the small of his back and was pushing him out, he once wrote about how the sport takes kids and places them in an endless series of fights and blinds their concerns with cleverly controlled marketing and hero worship, and some money.

It was a brilliant piece that, some say, Oscar and Schaefer took exception to.

Dettloff, whom I got to meet as he did an article on me years back, (and no my 1st name is not Steve {Mike and others will know what I mean}), also in the article, ran through how the sport had a very dark and unknown side. Effectively substantiating the total absence of ethics in some parts.

I think there is something going on between Oscar and Schaefer. You can tell by many things, including how Oscar is (during amateur interviews) careful to now ensure Schaefer gets props for what he is doing.

Sure Schaefer is still just the CEO. But take him away and what does Oscar have, even when he is not recovering from sniffing coke or reeling from the action itself?

Please don't tell me that Oscar is capable of CEOing GBP and doing all the other stuff that's involved.

Schaefer runs this baby now and Oscar knows it.

If Schaefer walk and goes to ST, in any way, shape or seemingly independent form; Oscar is on his own.

Not in the least as the Golden Boy brand (name?) and particularly its direct association with Oscar has devalued somewhat, in case you hadn't noticed.

Al Haymon and Floyd, I am sure, would love to entertain a discussion on what such a move would do to their interests.

And even Bob Arum would not be upset about that.

Let me know your thoughts please.

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The Shadow:

I'm ready to hear it! Your scoring system has got my curiosity quillin me like the cat would be quilled by the curiosity!

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The Shadow:

"Hopefully no-one here really truly believes Santa Cruz would beat Rigo?"

I don't think so. I think the intrigue lies in a guy who throws over 1000 punches per fight going for broke against the guy who makes volume punchers throw less than 10 punches a round.

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The Shadow:

I like it, Doc. Only problem is, whether he throws 120 or 80, either output will render him bloody, brain damaged and/or unconscious before round nine.

Floyd is Teflon, immune to left hooks. His eyes are the best in the business, perhaps the best of all time (I only see Ali and Rigo being in that league).

The only time I have seen him mis-gauge an incoming hook is to the body, which will only happen once or twice in a fight at most.

I don't care how much Maidana feints a jab to the body only to turn it into a hook last minute. It will not work vs. Floyd like it did vs. Broner. Broner's eyes are not and will never be a good as Floyd's.

Casual viewers will see the stance and think similarity and thus give Marcos Rene a chance.

The only chance he has is in the early rounds as Floyd is still processing data like a computer. Once Floyd figures you out, it doesn't matter if you attempt another game plan or Plan E.

It won't work.

The way I see it, he has only one shot. Top level fighters rarely make the same mistake twice. He needs to catch him with a titanic right hand in the first or second round and take Floyd to a place he has never been before in training.

Where that place is, I don't know. Whether that's stunning him or injuring him, he has to do it.

But Floyd prepares too well and has seen too much.

But back to the punch activity. I think your best, most cerebral point is Maidana having to go in there with the mindset that he will have to win rounds without having success and not letting it discourage him.

Floyd plays so many mind games so mental resilience will be key.

If there's a blueprint of any kind for him to use, it would be Angulo vs. Lara in terms of just going balls to the wall.

So I guess that takes us back to throwing 80 punches per round. He risks getting brutalized but at the same time it's a numbers game.

If he throws that many punches, he at least has a greater chance of one getting through.

Man! Floyd Mayweather is like a damn Rubik's cube.

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stormcentre:

Hopefully no-one here really truly believes Santa Cruz would beat Rigo?

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stormcentre:

I love seeing how boxers, trainers, people fare against Bob.



Gamboa (with his dismiss of the Rios fight) looked like he was in a good legal position a few years back, but Bob, his legal qualifications and connections, and of course his money; almost always finds a way to win.



Sometimes it gets to the point where, when fighting Bob, you need a KO just to get a draw.



Hey, that's similar to when Tim Bradley fought Pacquaio the first time.



Who was the promoter of that fight again?



Who will win this war?



Anyone care to make a prediction?

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stormcentre:

Good fight for Pacquiao.

I posted previously that I thought Bradley would fight better this time.

I was deliberately non-committal to an outcome, as whilst I expected Bradley to fight better and believe if he did he would make it very hard for Manny to win; I just wasn’t sure how he would deal with Pacquiao’s speed and viciousness if it returned.

Plus I knew that its return was something that Roach knew would befuddle Bradley.

In my view the fight would have been much, much closer, and probably a “W” for Tim had he stuck to the gameplan.

Still, for the most the reason he didn’t was standing right in front of him.

Glad I didn’t pitch all in for Bradley on this one, as I almost wrote in/up a win for Tim.

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stormcentre:

"If I am Maidana's trainer here is what I do:

1. I will have my fighters jab on turbo. It will be out early and often. The jab is the greatest weapon for someone at a speed disadvantage at which Maidana will be.

2. Up the punch count. 120 a round is stupid but 80 might be a reasonable number and if you are in great shape it is doable. Which brings number three..........

3. Conditioning. Floyd is not going to tire. The only time in the last 10 years I can even remember his mouth being open was against Cotto. I would have my fighter be ready to fight 12 rounds at a break neck pace. I would emphasize that there will be very few times that we are throwing one punch at a time and I would lean more towards 4 and 5 punch combos alternating body and head shots.

4. A lot of mental preparation. I would make my fighter understand that winning this fight is not likely going to be from one great shot or that winning this fight will even be remotely easy. I will make my fighter understand that you may have to win rounds without landing a clean shot, with taking a clean shot, without feeling like you did any damage, or with it being arduous and frustrating to do so. Also remember that although he is great he can be hit. Chop Chop, Castillo, Shane, Cotto, De La Hoya and Zab have proven that. To quote the movie Rocky, He's not a machine

5. Make it ugly. You guys have explained that well in posts before so I need not beat a dead horse.

6. Get off first. Trying to stand there and find and angle or whole with Floyd is near impossible. Also trying to counter Floyd is a losing proposition. Therefore come out with your guns blazing.

7. After you fire, tie him up and do it properly. Alot of people have tried to tie Floyd up but they fail to do it properly. Shane did this against Margarito and Hop has made a living at it. If you are going to tie someone up you have to get your arms out side of theirs and then try to cross your forearms in an X while holding theirs. Then tuck your chin and roll your shoulders slightly forward. That completely neutralizes any chance of a punch.

8. Lastly, I will take a lesson from the great philosopher of my youth...........................................Rowdy Roddy Piper..LOL!! Roddy once said "Once you think you have all the answers, I change the questions!!!" My fighter will have two maybe three distinct gameplans for the fight and here's why. I think the most under reported and under appreciated part of Floyd's skill is his mental acuity to figure a guy out within a few rounds. The only way to challenge that is to change your gameplan once he appears to know how you work. It may be changing stances, it may be starting out all body then moving upstairs or whatever, but the style of my fighter would be extremely fluid. If any of you remember the Colts-Saints Super Bowl, that is how the Saints held Manning in check. They completely changed their defense at halftime and by the time Peyton figured it out again, the game was over.


Is this enough, I don't know but I do believe it is a good foundation."



That's not bad.

But beating Floyd with the jab, in my opinion, will not work and is a ploy many think will work because - amongst other reasons - Oscar had some success with Floyd (and not necessarily with the jab).

If you look at Hatton, Alvarez, Gatti, even Baldomir.

I see nothing - and I mean nothing - in Maidana that presents Floyd with more than he has dealt with in those guys.

In fact, Alvarez would murder Maidana and Maidana and Garcia (I believe silently) knows it.

This is why even Garcia is not really talking confidently. “Aiming to beat Floyd”.

The Hatton that beat Kostya Tszyu would take out Maidana in my view.

The Alvarez that beat Angulo would take out Maidana in my view.

The Gatti that beat Rualez would take out and/or give Maidana a good run in my view.

Oscar would destroy Maidana.

Zab may not.

I wish I had more time to write on how to beat Floyd (more than I already have http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power/page9 ) but the way Paulie fought Broner is a good starting point.
Maidana is nowhere near what it takes to beat Floyd.

I mean no one without quick hand and a defence will beat Floyd. It takes more than stamina and power, Alvarez showed us that.

This fight will require a lot of marketing to get the real boxing purists and followers to be interested and sell, in my opinion.

Not in the least as Floyd - for all his brilliance and dominance - is almost without a real challenge at welterweight and aside from Floyd being no Broner, Maidana is too limited, slow, predictable, susceptible to shots coming in, short and reliant on power; to pose a serious threat.

Oh, did I say he has no defence?

Yes I did.

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Radam G:

"Magic Malignaggi will make you a believer, my good man! Not saying the missile launched from the hip works against Porter, though Paulie probably pepper Porter with power shots till he crumbles, but against Floyd, it will mark the beginning of a new era."

Wow! The Shadow is quite facetious this night. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"Lol I always found the idea of Malignaggi challenging Mayweather intriguing; Paulie is a well schooled veteran with some speed, he could give Floyd some problems early but...."

...once he launches that right missile from the hip with nasty intentions, he will catch Floyd flush.

Yes, Floyd reacted the right way versus Mosley. But how will he react when struck by Magic Malignaggi?

Before doubt is cast, always remember this: a grown man, when motivated, can do serious damage with his fists.

Especially a trained, highly skilled martial artist. Case in point? Watch how light-punching Tim Bradley nearly separated iron chin Manny Pacquiao from his senses with his straight hand.

You think Bradley is a harder puncher than Paulie? Ha! The mere notion is laughable.

Paulie got that power.

And that power is Money Mayweather's Achilles heel.

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Radam G:

Good trainers always tell the truth after the dance. You deal with actuality to be successful in da game. Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

If I am Maidana's trainer here is what I do:

1. I will have my fighters jab on turbo. It will be out early and often. The jab is the greatest weapon for someone at a speed disadvantage at which Maidana will be.

2. Up the punch count. 120 a round is stupid but 80 might be a reasonable number and if you are in great shape it is doable. Which brings number three..........

3. Conditioning. Floyd is not going to tire. The only time in the last 10 years I can even remember his mouth being open was against Cotto. I would have my fighter be ready to fight 12 rounds at a break neck pace. I would emphasize that there will be very few times that we are throwing one punch at a time and I would lean more towards 4 and 5 punch combos alternating body and head shots.

4. A lot of mental preparation. I would make my fighter understand that winning this fight is not likely going to be from one great shot or that winning this fight will even be remotely easy. I will make my fighter understand that you may have to win rounds without landing a clean shot, with taking a clean shot, without feeling like you did any damage, or with it being arduous and frustrating to do so. Also remember that although he is great he can be hit. Chop Chop, Castillo, Shane, Cotto, De La Hoya and Zab have proven that. To quote the movie Rocky, He's not a machine

5. Make it ugly. You guys have explained that well in posts before so I need not beat a dead horse.

6. Get off first. Trying to stand there and find and angle or whole with Floyd is near impossible. Also trying to counter Floyd is a losing proposition. Therefore come out with your guns blazing.

7. After you fire, tie him up and do it properly. Alot of people have tried to tie Floyd up but they fail to do it properly. Shane did this against Margarito and Hop has made a living at it. If you are going to tie someone up you have to get your arms out side of theirs and then try to cross your forearms in an X while holding theirs. Then tuck your chin and roll your shoulders slightly forward. That completely neutralizes any chance of a punch.

8. Lastly, I will take a lesson from the great philosopher of my youth...........................................Rowdy Roddy Piper..LOL!! Roddy once said "Once you think you have all the answers, I change the questions!!!" My fighter will have two maybe three distinct gameplans for the fight and here's why. I think the most under reported and under appreciated part of Floyd's skill is his mental acuity to figure a guy out within a few rounds. The only way to challenge that is to change your gameplan once he appears to know how you work. It may be changing stances, it may be starting out all body then moving upstairs or whatever, but the style of my fighter would be extremely fluid. If any of you remember the Colts-Saints Super Bowl, that is how the Saints held Manning in check. They completely changed their defense at halftime and by the time Peyton figured it out again, the game was over.


Is this enough, I don't know but I do believe it is a good foundation.

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MisterLee:

Hey guys,



Thanks so much for the feedback. I have and am still studying the game, and I am very fired up about the good work Bradley did.



@The Commish - Man those are some nice words. I really appreciate it. I'm still learning as a boxing fan and writer. I will keep writing (just for fun though!).



@TheGoodDoctor - Thank you so much. I was expecting Pacquiao to whoop *** until I saw Bradley's look coming into the ring, and lots of unsureness on Pacquiao's face when he was missing so much earlier on and getting bulled along the ropes in the mid rounds without firing back. It was much different watching in a loud bar on a huge HD tv (could see everything ) as opposed to at home reviewing a low quality stream (you can't see their faces/body language on it).



@Radam G - A pleasure as always! :)



Also, if people are interested in knowing:



Upon rewatching: Wow, it totally felt like I watched a different fight at the bar the connects by bradley, his success and his momentum seemed clearer when I watched it live. I now change my score 7-5 Pac.



Gave Bradley: 1,4,5, 6, 8



Pacquiao: 2,3,7, 9, 10, 11, 12 (totally didn't remember seeing all those connects from Pacquiao in round 12).



Thanks for all the input people! Gonna put my nose back to the grindstone! :D



Two more things:



- I'm pleased that Roach admitted in an interview that Bradley sat down on his punches and was hurting Manny to the body and that one punch in round 4.

- I think my rescoring still doesn't change how I felt about the good work Bradley had done. If nothing else, rewatching round 6 - a round in which Manny landed 2 jabs, and 2 left hands and Bradley made him miss a lot, beat him to the punch, and countered the hell out of him. If you give Manny this round I will def. think you are biased towards Manny.

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Carmine Cas:

Lol I always found the idea of Malignaggi challenging Mayweather intriguing; Paulie is a well schooled veteran with some speed, he could give Floyd some problems early but....

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Carmine Cas:

I like breaking the bones lol

I also like the jab-hook that Maidana used against Broner

He's got to pump that jab and move to his right.

And Deep made a great point about consulting with the ref prior to the bout regarding the forearm.

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The Shadow:

"Nope. I don't believe. You never know with Paulie, every time I pick him to lose he wins, and every time I think he will win he loses. I think Porter will rush in and land enough good shots to win on Saturday. I am looking forward to kicking back and watching this tripleheader, whoever wins or loses. I just want to see three good fights. Maybe one great one."



Magic Malignaggi will make you a believer, my good man! Not saying the missile launched from the hip works against Porter, though Paulie probably pepper Porter with power shots till he crumbles, but against Floyd, it will mark the beginning of a new era.

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The Shadow:

"Paulie, like so many times, will be jobbed in an ugly affair. Holla!"

If anyone can give him trouble, it's Magic Malignaggi. Just look what he did to those two slicksters.

And Paule has been known to pounce on that style in gyms all over America.

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