"C'mon man, that's cold. Be fair. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3854403
Different games, different rules.
Definitely Michael Jordan in terms of impact and talent. Thomas in terms of likability.
Also, his public persona aside, Jordan was a grade-A prick with no peer. And I'm a HUGE Jordan fan.
One time in Washington when he was playing for the Wizard, he was hanging out in a local club like those NBA guys like to do.
A fan comes up to Jordan's table with his girlfriend, hoping to meet him and maybe get an autograph. The married Jordan dismisses him, asks his girl in instead, throws the guy out, SCREWS the girl and ruins the relationship.
Yeh, she was a b*tch and dude probably deserved better but that's not exactly a good way to endear yourself to fans.
Another time, rapper Chamillionaire, a massive Mike mark, was at an auction for MJ, bidding on Jordan items. The rapper ended up overpaying for a NC jersey, I believe.
Seven stacks lighter, Chamillionaire saw Jordan hanging out, taking pictures with various women, getting his mack on.
As His Airness was taking a break from his tail chasing and just chillin' with some mutual friends, Chamillionaire humbly approached his hero Jordan about taking a picture with him, seeing as he had just bought one of his jerseys.
"Hell no," Jordan said, loudly. "I don't take pictures with no niggas!"
Jordan was surrounded by Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Spike Lee who all looked embarrassed by the ordeal. "Mike, chill, chill, chill, that's Chamillionaire, he's a big fan and he just supported your action!"
"I don't give a f***! Nigga!"
Jordan then, in a bullying manner, leaned over the rapper in a threatening manner and said, "I'll tell you what. You buy a jersey from me now for $15,000 and I'll take a picture with you!"
Chamillionaire walked off humiliated and heartbroken to see his childhood idol totally tear apart that image he had of him.
As word got back to corporate, Jordan Brand later reached out to Chamillionaire to apologize and offered him free shoes to make things right.
An interesting aside: Jordan freely poses with Macklemore, Justin Bieber and random white dudes. So I guess he's a man of his word. Lol.
He's also been known to be mean to kids asking for autographs, abusing staff, and being a notorious cheap skate who never tips. Whenever Charles Barkley tries to give a homeless person money, Jordan slaps his hand.
"If they can beg, they can just as easily say 'welcome to McDonald's, how can I be of service.'"
Ttally the opposite of his image. By comparison -- and I've experienced this firsthand -- Floyd tips generously.
Also, after the Cotto fight, after I had filed my story, I was standing outside the hotel of his after party with my homeboy, which was hosted by 50 Cent and Kevin Hart which = lots of hot mamas.
As we're plotting how to get in, because the line is ridiculous, Floyd's crew, which was the biggest sausage fest caravan I had ever seen in my life -- 50 dudes deep, easy -- said, "roll with us."
Next thing you know we're walking through the hotel like we're kings. An hour or so earlier I had actually "interviewed" 50 Cent (interviewed = asking two questions at the post-fight press conference and then being politely ignored).
It was freakin' surreal. If you've ever hung out in the "urban" nightlife scene, you'll know that dudes NEVER EVER show any kind of kindness to other guys -- as evidenced by Jordan's stories.
Floyd just said, "roll with us" and then he goes and gives money to the people in the club.
Frivolous? Perhaps. But he's not as bad as he's being made to be.
And Jordan is about as far from his image in real life as you can get."
Hey Shadow I really enjoyed this post when I read it several days ago. Just didn't have time to comment. I feel that Jordan got it right with his response " I don't take no pictures with no niggas " ... He was simply using the most ambiguous word in the English vocabulary (multiple connotations of the word exists depending who, when and where its being used).... to advise Chamillionare that he didn't want to bothered by some random dude when he was on his personal time.
Chammillionare ( a man who might be valued financially at only one fiftieth of Jordan's networth) continued to insinuate himself into Jordan's personal space by throwing his paltry $7000.00 expenditure up in Jordan's face like it really mattered to a guy who literally can generate that kind of cash at will in a matter of seconds).
Chamillionares actions were rude and invasive...he should have known to leave grown folks alone while they are out on the town in a non publicising capacity.
But he said to himself... "Oh that's Jordan I'm gonna go get something from him" .....instead of minding his own business after Jordan gave him a obvious hint that he didn't want to be bothered.
I believe RG said something similar on an earlier post and he was 100% spot on.
I remember seeing Wilt Chamberlain in a bar in Hawaii several decades ago.
Me and my buddies were on shore leave and had every intention of partying until the sun came up.
So we entered a bar and Wilt is standing up against the bar... actually he was partially sitting on the bar. I mean the bar was about five feet high and came up to chest level to me an Wilt is sitting his butt on the end of the bar. Thats how tall he was.
But you didn't have to be a psychologist of body language to know to stay away from him.
His arms and legs were crossed ... He had a mad scowl on his face and he was holding his chin.
We just stayed away from him.
He was with three wild chicks who were dancing with me and my two buds ... ... I could see the non verbal language between Wilt and his girls even on the dance floor.... I went from thinking I might get lucky to realizing the truth that the chicks were simply on "loan" until the bar closed.
There were 3of us .. all of us drunk yet we knew not to approach the guy.
Bottom line.. Its just not smart to ignore the obvious signals that someone doesn't want to be bothered
Mike played 48 rounds of golf with Charles Barkley and bought him a $20,000 earing in between championship play off games.
Someone told Mike that he really must like Barkley.... Mike said " I hate that fat fu@k... I just wanted him to stay off me for the rest of the Playoff".
There are tons of stories about Mike... a lot of bad behavior but most of it is related to basketball and his competitive nature like when he told Mugsy Bowles ...while he was trying to take a game winning shot..." Shoot the ball you fu@king midget".... Mugsy missed.
Is Floyd the Michael Jordan of boxing ... I hope not.
Truly one of the best ever.. His mastery of long range boxing insures that he scores consistently from the outside .....and his close proximity defense insures that he doesn't get butted or mauled. ......uses the elbow the way a carpenter uses a tool belt without fouling his opponent by providing necessary spacing to continue working on the inside without getting smothered by less skillful boxers. Sadly he only pulls enough out of his tool bag to get the job done in a quality manner even though he can perform at an extraordinary level that he rarely dieplays .Reply
With all due respect but, Floyd Mayweather has not fought a decent fighter since Marquez (it was also the first time that Marquez fought as a welterweight). In addition, Mayweather's fights can be very dull and not just because of Floyd's superior skills. The young Floyd Mayweather was unafraid to take chances but now Mayweather is first and foremost a counter-puncher. I was amazed at how cautious Mayweather was against Guerro. I have always liked fighters who are aggressive willing to lead for example, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar de la Hoya. In my younger days it was Archie Moore, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carmen Basilio, Sandy Saddler Luis Rodriquez to name just a few. The Floyd Mayweather who put away Diego Corrales was that kind of fighter and I miss him.Reply
Another name is "The Flame" by the young Eddie Gregory. The "White Buffalo" by you know who. And the "Sniper" by a late boxer. "Six Heads." "Lightning Rod." And the " Brownbomber," "Brown Panther" and "Galveston Giant." Holla!Reply
Quick question. What is the problem between Golden Boy Productions and HBO ?"
The head of HBO sports Ken Hershman doesn't want to air their fights. He got petty after Mayweather signed with Showtime and felt the need to retaliate. That simple.
Blinded by his power, he, and many media, thought GBP would suffer and ultimately be more reasonable once HBO again would hold the leverage.
Since he once ran Showtime, he figured their budget would run dry and would no longer be able to accommodate all the GBP fighters.
Instead the opposite happened, HBO has a struggling boxing franchise and their budget, by all accounts, has been reduced.
Then again, hindsight is 20/20.
Moving forward, I'm sure Hershman will do an admirable job. He excels in his current role.
Quick question. What is the problem between Golden Boy Productions and HBO ?
Yeah I don't believe for 1 bit he's gonna retire next year, if he can navigate his way to 49-0, he's definitely gonna "renegotiate" his Showtime Deal..
I can see him asking for a $50Million Guarantee for his 50th fight....
Here's another great nickname:
"Sugar" Nikolai Valuev AKA "Sugar Nicky V" AKA "SNV."
Epic on so many levels.
wow great discussion from all...
The Hitman, the motor city cobra
hands of stone.
the black mamba...
those are all of my favorites..
think about how great boxing is. not only do you legally get to punch another human being, and get paid for
it, but you can also get a fantastic nickname, as an adult man and no one questions it.!!!!!!!!!!!!
unless its "the molester" hahaha
Wonderful job! Pugilistic Forensic Analyst, L-WY. YOU da MAN!
Nonetheless, don't believe the hype. Money May will stay in da game much longer he says at this time.
I don't believe Money May for a bit. Holla!
They should've added a part about his Right Hand Lead....
Here's where the Jordan-Mayweather comparison really falls apart:
Including commemorative issues, Michael Jordan has appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated 57 times, the most of any athlete (Muhammad Ali is second with 38).
How often has Floyd Mayweather, Jr. made the cover of S.I.? The answer is a big fat zero.
Michael Jordan transcended his sport, becoming a global celebrity. Mayweather makes a lot of money, but his star will never shine as brightly.
My personal all time favorite " MR Nice Guy"Reply
Jeez . Will it ever stop?Reply
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He's a master craftsman, all agree, even if there is debate when he refers to himself as "TBE," or The Best Ever.
Floyd Mayweather will do his thing, execute his mastery of the sweet science, in all of its intricacies on May 3, against Marcos Maidana.
Here's a video primer which will aid you as you watch the exhibition put on by "Money," which will allow you to better comprehend the methods he's used to get to 45-0.
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Great work. I am so glad that about 35% of this breakdown was on the two things Floyd uses to get the advantage every time . Jab to the body. The illegal forearm / elbow that he uses on the inside. He is crafty enough to get away with it. Most boxers would get points for pulling it. Notice the refs are yelling break and stepping in while he is doing it, but then let the action continue . Hmmm? I actually saw Al Haymon on video in the stands at the Hatton fight. Stay in the shadows ,al Haymon . It's ok. Good sound track. Sounds like I'm at the coca cola club while watching this. Great video ! Bravo sir , Bravo.
Wow now I feel obsolete lol....ha!Reply
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Double DITTO DAT! Holla at Da S-man's books. And you will have the whole nine. And it may get you into the boxing's BLINK-BLINK mine. Holla!
I rate Fury,Chisora,Perez,Jennings, Areola,Stermane,Haye if he comes back,even Briggs higher then Wilder at this point. The more guys he beats the higher he goes. I watched him on tape in the Olympics and he was hard to watch. Lets see how he does when he faces a guy that can take a punch or two and fire back. He has to get my respect the old fashioned way. He must earn it.Reply
"Personally I record every thing I watch... So I can have a reference when choosing the outcome of the next fight.. I record everybody...champs, prospects, ESPN fights, boxing after dark... Hispanic boxing shows in Mexico... Amateur world series of boxing ... Bum of the month.. I don't care... But I go back and weed out the truly irrelevant stinkers once every 90 days."
I did that in 1999, for the whole year. Never done it again since, but man you must have a lot of tape to watch. A boxing library is the best.
We have had a lot of fights go the distance lately. I don't think I am going out on much of a limb by stating we get a lot of knockouts in this weekends action. I think even Klitschko, coming off his last performance and well aware this fight is being shown to an even broader US audience, scores an early knockout. The fight that has the best chance at being competitive this weekend and not ending in a knockout is the Figueroa-Belmontes fight.Reply
I used to do so but as The Shadow stated with YouTube I have not found the need to do so recently.Reply
The Good Doctor:
Nice assessment sir. I would add that I hope that Khan uses his smarts, not his heart in this fight. If he will use the strategy he used against Paulie, he could win this going away. However, Khan disregards his history and likes to trade. Makes for great viewing but man it gets him clocked often.
There is a side of me would love to see Collazo win because it would then put Floyd in a real strange position. There is no way he could push him versus Collazo as his next fight.
Ahh, another I forgot to mention, one which I had so much fun with.
The guy's name was Jose Baret. HZe was a welterweight, and promoted by Madison Square Garden Boxing. At the time, John F.X. Condon was the guy to deal with at MSG, and basically all of boxing in New York. He was a firey Irishman who knew only one way--his way.
Baret was managed by Howie Albert, who was also the co-manager of Emile Griffith (along with Gil Clancy). Albert and MSG moved Baret well from the time he turned pro in 1981, putting him on their cards at the Felt Forum against your typical opponent types. By late 1982, Condon had built Baret, whom he nicknamed "The Threat," into a 16-0 fighter with 15 knockouts, many of them in the first or second round. Condon, using his influence and MSG backing, convinced CBS to showcase their welterweight star on CBS in February 1983. CBS, with Gil Clancy as their analyst, chose young Marlon Starling to face "The Threat."
Condon told all who would listen that "The Threat" will destroy Starling, and then be poised to strike at the welterweight title. When the media asked me, then the Editor-in-Chief of The Ring, what I thought about Jose "The Threat" Baret, I said, "He may climb into that ring as 'The Threat,' but after the fight, we are going to be calling him Jose "Not Yet" Baret. Condon stopped talking to me.
It was an easy pick, however. "Not Yet" had been fed an array of stiffs and Sammy-lay-me-downs throughout his rise to his 16-0 record. Starling, whom I had seen in action before, could fight. It was very apparent. In front of a national audience, "Not Yet" was punished for three rounds before being knocked out in the fourth round. Condon didn't talk to me again until I became Commissioner five years later.
As for "Not Yet," he fought twice more in 1983, being knocked out both times.
So, "The Threat" Baret was a great nickname as he was blasting his way to a 16-0 record. "No Yet" Baret was just as appropriate for his last few fights.
He actually launched a comeback 10 years later, which went nowhere. He still wasn't ready. "Not Yet," anyway. In fact, not ever.
"Keith Thurman is generating a lot of buzz and he has an opportunity this Saturday to make some more noise
and possibly join the Mayweather sweepstakes. Everybody loves a puncher."
The thing with Thurman is that he was a puncher. Now he knows how to box. He's sparred a lot of everybody, been the full 12 and has serious power in both hands. Now he's learning how to pace out the 12 rounds instead of bursting 100 punches a round. He has great footwork and ring generalship. He fights as if it's a dark alley the entire ring but he does with unorthodox boxing. It's great to watch and he's constantly improving. If he goes the distance with Floyd I don't think there's anyone who could beat him at 147.
"I know I shoulda put the "Black Mamba." But I didn't think that it was catchy. A couple of others that I will holla are: "The Bumble Bee" Campbell and "The Minister of Shock" Muphafa Muhammad. One more will be: Willie "The Dancing Master of Disaster" Pastrano." Somebody else can holla about nickname of the late, great Willie Pep. Holla!"
You know the Black Mamba was a name that described him perfectly. He had a whip for a left jab.
If we wanted to carry this further, we could ask which boxer had the most ill-fitting nickname. For me that's an easy one: Bonecrusher Smith.
If a boxer has a mundane name like James Smith, a good nickname is imperative. But the name "Bonecrusher" would have been better suited to a boxer whose day job was that of a collector for a loan shark. Smith, who was raised on a tobacco farm, was reportedly the first heavyweight titlist (note I didn't say "champion") who had a college degree and he came across that way: well-read, well-spoken and completely free of false bravado.
Smith was a reluctant warrior. He was certainly reluctant the night he fought Mike Tyson. The wags re-named him "Boneclutcher."
Smith went on to become the chairman of the North Carolina boxing commission, a job that could not have consumed much of his time.
"Would love that fight... Guerrero is skilled and determined...and stubborn. Hayman has no choice but to match his own fighters ...there is no other place to go."
Keith Thurman is generating a lot of buzz and he has an opportunity this Saturday to make some more noise
and possibly join the Mayweather sweepstakes. Everybody loves a puncher.
Great read, by the way. This is some truly epic sh*t.Reply
Heavyweight champion Ingemar Johansson was known as "Ingo", and whenever he'd knocked someone out, the headlines said "Bingo". Kinda funny.
Agree with D2: The Manassa Mauler has something to it, fitting the man behind the name.
"Does anyone know the PPV totals from this Fight???"
....though some people have told EM it's as low as 625,000!
Who will win #MayweatherMaidana?