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Radam G:

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I remember even James Toney started getting muscles.

TMT loves the women, especially Roger and Big Floyd. Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QkWJCadCFU

You think that's why guys juice??

I still maintain that it works, if nothing else because it allows you to train harder and recover faster. And just look at a guy like Gamboa off vs on.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was back on vs. Crawford but his stupidity and miniature frame ultimately befell him."


C'mon, the Shadow! Don't provide proof about da he-hos. That is why they use that syet. It about da bodee and drawing da nasty action. Hehehe! The roids-and-PEDs peddlers will start increasing service fees if they get in da loop of knowing da real real.

And no matter how much help dat syet gives you the power to workout, it doesn't help you to think out. So on dat syet and the slow thinking that it causes because of messing up and with your Mother Nature's perfect anatomical electrical system, it is of nano benefits. Holla!

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brownsugar:

It must be the end of the world

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brownsugar:

"What bout Julio Cesar Chavez? Roger May? Ben Tackie? James Leija, Urkal, Gonzalez and Hurtado? Some of them were great boxers, others were top class contenders who were just below the level of a true champion.



Kostya fought the best around, he wasn't interested in jumping up and down weightclasses, he knew where he wanted to establish himself and dominate and that's what he did.



Forget the names of his opponents, he fought the best around and he wanted the best to compete against him. Not everyone jumps up and down weightclasses, it has always been rare in the history of the sport, until more recent times when thanks to much greater knowledge around the human anatomy that fighters are able to move up and down weightclasses and still be able to compete. If he would have fought Mosley in his prime he would have beaten him, same for Oscar.



I say that because he was a special talent, Tszyu. His timing was phenomonal and off the end of his timekeeping he packed a punch that would knock out a yak.



As for Mosley, he avoided the light welter division. He was either at lightweight, or he jumped straight up to welterweight. He could have challenged and fought Kostya who was the undisputed king of the Light Welterweight division but he avoided that fight. The champ doesn't have to call out opponents, or certainly Kostya wouldn't, he waits for worthy opponents to challenge him and faces them in the ring.



As for Oscar, I believe he was on a collision course with Kostya, but Oscar vacated his light welter title and moved onto 147lbs before facing a challenge from the Thunder from Down Under.



And Floyd was a super feather weight when Tszyu was in his prime. By the time Kostya was getting ready to leave the sport, Mayweather finally moved up to light welterweight.



Those are the facts, we can agree to disagree but I stand by it what I've said, Kostya is an elite champion, and one of the best the 140lb division has ever had."




I think KT was a fabulous fighter Skibbz ... My initial response to the topic was to illustrate my opinion regarding KT and GGG.

Not to tarnish the memory of KT. But to illustrate the many reasons why I believe there is no comparison between the two.



I respect you and your opinion. If you want to start a KT debate on a new KT thread I'll be glad to elaborate further. Until then.... I've appreciated your contribution to the discussion.

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The Commish:

I am curious about this new (blood)sport and will watch because of my curiosity and the fact that it will be talked about here and I want to be able to discuss it with you and share opinions.

I hated MMA from the start and even banned it in New York--where it incredibly remains banned. However, I enjoy it now. I am sure the Nevada State Athletic Commission has come up with a complete set of rules for this pit combat or whatever it is being called.

Why Rosado and Vera? My guess is that they both know their earning potential in boxing is very limited at this point, and have been offered a few more dollars to rumble in the pit.

Whenever this pit combat takes place, I'll be watching.

Will you?

-Randy G.

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deepwater2:

Lil Floyd doesn't need to juice to get woman. He buys them gifts and gives them cash.



Floyd needs Testosterone replacement therapy to grow his goatee.

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Radam G:

"Radam thinks like an old-school trainer. Billy Delaney, who trained Corbett and Jeffries, believed that the value of any exercise was enhanced if done outdoors. But by outdoors they meant the countryside, away from where the factories belched out smoke."

Exactly! Factory smoke is making a lot of people choke. And innercity smog makes a pug ugly as a sickly fat hog. Holla!

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ArneK.:

My favorite division is whatever division is "hosting" the next big fight.

It's interesting to note that in the upper divisions -- 168 pounds and above -- there are more Top 10 fighters from the Eastern bloc than from the U.S. The imbalance is most pronounced in the Heavyweight and Cruiserweight divisions where we find only three Americans compared with 3 Russians, 3 Ukrainians, 2 Poles, and a Bulgarian. (These numbers were culled from The Ring magazine ratings.)

U.S. boxers dominate the Junior Middleweight and, to as lesser extent, Welterweight divisions. As we drop lower, U.S. boxers become scarce and boxers from Mexico, the Philippines, and Asia become predominant. This is nothing new. Fighters from outside the U.S. have always dominated the lowest weight classes.

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The Shadow:

" Looking sexy gets you mad sex. Making 'em hos run to freaky-deaky arses, it puts an hex. Holla!"



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I remember even James Toney started getting muscles.



TMT loves the women, especially Roger and Big Floyd. Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QkWJCadCFU



You think that's why guys juice??



I still maintain that it works, if nothing else because it allows you to train harder and recover faster. And just look at a guy like Gamboa off vs on.



I wouldn't be surprised if he was back on vs. Crawford but his stupidity and miniature frame ultimately befell him.

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Radam G:

"No idea. He's mentioned having 24/7-365 drug testing in his stable but I haven't heard of it being implemented yet.

Storm, I'm still digesting the other points fully!"


The stable of TMT under Money May have been caught dirty more than any other stables. The corrupted NSAC always gives them a slap on the wrist because they are good at getting quacky doctors -- probably Dr. Murray's cousins -- to give excuses of usages to correct pending medical problems.

TMT stables of pugs don't use roids and PEDs to help them with skills to pay the bills. They use dat syet for getting eye-candy bodies.

Looking sexy gets you mad sex. Making 'em hos run to freaky-deaky arses, it puts ur hex. Holla!

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Radam G:

Here goes Duane Bobick, B-Camp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnLeFFAFCW0.



http://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=cXFBWPDNXJk. Holla!

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Radam G:

Jack Johnson beat a set of brothers in beating Jack and James Jeffries. Holla!

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Bernie Campbell:

Amatuer Smamatuer, Has anybody ever heard of Duane Bobick?

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Bernie Campbell:

Enuf of that useless Statue of David Perez! Talk about lack of Mobility! Does fres oquendo have anything booked! Comn USA cant you guys dig anything out of the crevises?

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amayseng:

GGG is both plus some.

The kid has ALL the tools to be special.

His path thus far is on point.

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ArneK.:

I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the Marquez brothers, Juan Manuel and Rafael.

Joe Gatti didn't have as many memorable fights as his brother Arturo, but Joe had a pretty nice career.

Don Fullmer never scaled the heights of brother Gene, but Don was also very rugged. He went 15 rounds with Nino Benvenuti in Italy.

Back in the early years of the 20th century, the Sullivan twins from Cambridge, Massachusetts -- Mike and Jack -- were top contenders. Curiously, Jack had a bigger frame. He was at his best as a middleweight whereas his little (twin) brother was best as a lightweight.

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ArneK.:

Thank you.

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dino da vinci:

@ArneK. No, not at all.

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Skibbz:

I think that's a wise move Commissioner. Danny, Haymon, and his old man are taking the p*ss with this fight. Alright fair enough it happens in boxing, all the time champions are abusing their position but Danny, a fighter who still has much to prove in the eye's of many, is taking liberties. I just hope that by the odd, one in a million, chance Salka manages to land the money shot and Garcia and his father both drop simultaneously, dreams in tatters.

I'll be rooting for Rod.

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ArneK.:

Big Knockout Boxing. Let's give it a more detailed look.

It's bankrolled by DirectTV. The first event is expected to take place next month at Mandalay Bay in Vegas. A pair of conventional boxers, middleweights Bryan Vera (23-8) and Gabriel Rosado (21-8), will headline the first show. They will fight in a circular pit without ropes, smaller in diameter than a normal boxing ring. Regular Queensberry rules will apply with the exception that the fight will be scheduled for 7 two-minute rounds. The gloves will reportedly have less padding around the knuckles.

The smaller ring is designed to put a premium on offense. Bruce Binkow, the Executive Director of BKB, has likened it to fighting in a telephone booth. "You're forced to stand in the middle of the (pit) and slug it out," he says. In the words of a blogger who evidently thinks this is a good development, "(BKB) isn't a sport for pussies."

I wish I had been at the meeting where the Nevada Commission gave BKB its seal of approval. I'm guessing the commissioners were reasonably assured that the competitors would be at no greater risk of injury than in other bloodsports. But the press release about the upcoming bout makes no reference to any safety measures. From the standpoint of building intrigue, that would be self-defeating.

Australian boxing writer Alex McClintock finds the whole idea "disturbing." Me too. It says something about the coarsening of our culture. Or am I being over-dramatic?

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Radam G:

"In order for boxing to regain its former glory, it has to move off the PPV/premium cable model. Unfortunately that does not seem likely.



The NFL is popular in the US because it is on tv on channels that most Americans can watch. The Super Bowl, the sports biggest event, is not a $69.95 PPV event. Its on free tv.



If the NFL were on premium cable and say the biggest games, playoff games and Super Bowl were PPV, well the popularity would fall significantly. The same with MLB, NBA and NHL.



I know boxing used to be on network television long before I was born and that is when it was most popular. Unless the sport finds it way back in the US to network television with cable (not premium but regular) also involved, well its popularity will not get back to what it once was."




The super fights of boxing have been on closed circuit and/or PPV for 60 years. Unless you were born before that time, nothing has changed in telecasting boxing. The popularity has been lost because of all but that. And the biggest reason again is because of tude to be outfront, unique and dominant.



American-style football was invented because the Yank$ couldn't dominate regular football and rugby. Games on the USA mainland, such as baseball, basketball and hockey, are losing luster because the Yanks are complaining that too many foreigners are coming in and taking over.



Boxing loss USA has little to do with free TV. Holla!

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Skibbz:

"That's an easy question to answer Skibbz
The best boxers KT fought were Hatton Mitchell and Judah (while Phillips is not even on the radar)

Yes KT was poetry in motion but if those guys were his best victories where does that put him in the ranking of history's best?.

In fact where do Mitchell Hatton and Judah rank in history?

I think Mosely, Oscar and Mayweather went far beyond KT's exploits by dominating multiple weight classes and having hall of fame longevity.

Just my humble opinion. And KT never fought any of those guys.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for the comments."


What bout Julio Cesar Chavez? Roger May? Ben Tackie? James Leija, Urkal, Gonzalez and Hurtado? Some of them were great boxers, others were top class contenders who were just below the level of a true champion.

Kostya fought the best around, he wasn't interested in jumping up and down weightclasses, he knew where he wanted to establish himself and dominate and that's what he did.

Forget the names of his opponents, he fought the best around and he wanted the best to compete against him. Not everyone jumps up and down weightclasses, it has always been rare in the history of the sport, until more recent times when thanks to much greater knowledge around the human anatomy that fighters are able to move up and down weightclasses and still be able to compete. If he would have fought Mosley in his prime he would have beaten him, same for Oscar.

I say that because he was a special talent, Tszyu. His timing was phenomonal and off the end of his timekeeping he packed a punch that would knock out a yak.

As for Mosley, he avoided the light welter division. He was either at lightweight, or he jumped straight up to welterweight. He could have challenged and fought Kostya who was the undisputed king of the Light Welterweight division but he avoided that fight. The champ doesn't have to call out opponents, or certainly Kostya wouldn't, he waits for worthy opponents to challenge him and faces them in the ring.

As for Oscar, I believe he was on a collision course with Kostya, but Oscar vacated his light welter title and moved onto 147lbs before facing a challenge from the Thunder from Down Under.

And Floyd was a super feather weight when Tszyu was in his prime. By the time Kostya was getting ready to leave the sport, Mayweather finally moved up to light welterweight.

Those are the facts, we can agree to disagree but I stand by it what I've said, Kostya is an elite champion, and one of the best the 140lb division has ever had.

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Skibbz:

I agree with Radam, he is a bit of both. Also put me down on that letter to Al, although I think Kid Chocolate would melt under the heat of the Kazakh's punches. He isn't that good Quillin in my opinion..

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Skibbz:

I've never seen Ustinov fight but anyone well trained and in shape heavyweight is dangerous when it becomes a slugfest. Will be impressive if Fury beats Ustinov, would have preferred to see him fight Delboy but Derek was naughty sparring so close to fight night and brought the 'injury' on himself.

Naught Delboy.

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Radam G:

I doubt that boxing on the mainland USA will ever regain it former glory or gory. AmerKanos are controlling and like to be out front in everything. When they cannot be out front, they lose da luv. To them, the boxing game has strayed and have had too many affairs with foreigners.

AmerKano Joes and AmerKana Janes don't dig the new landscape of da haps of the game. At various points, when it was eight divisions in boxing all eight champs were from the USA, or colonies of the USA.

Then the flyweight division started having affairs. And as time has gone on, pseudo divisions have been made, and off mainland USA corrupted alphabet sanctioning organizations have become super pimps. And all the divisions have started having affairs. And the last straw for AmerKano Joe, AmerKana Janes and their siblings Jerome and Jill, is the big-arse heavyweight division cheating and is now in the hands of foreigners.

The former glory (and gory) USA days are "Nevermore!" As "The Raven" would say. The world has changed. And it is never again be one nation's way. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"I am one of those who tend to give the benefit of the doubt on injuries. There are times when red flags can be raised (ticket sales are lacking, a fighter habitually withdraws from fights, etc) that may make me question but I don't see any here. So I do believe the injury is legit.

I said before if I am Fury though I move on from Chisora. The reason I'd do that if I were him is this is I'd probably be a bit frustrated myself that this is the 3rd time in less than a year a fight has been cancelled on me and 2nd time within about a week of the fight. And he's already beaten Chisora. So if he moves on and goes searching for something else I can understand why and its something I'd do if I were in his shoes.

By the way, before looking forward and as I said earlier I think Ustinov is dangerous particularly early. Anything can happen in this sport especially in heavyweight boxing. And especially since Ustinov can punch a little and Fury has been hurt and dropped before. Fury is by far the more skilled fighter but it only takes one punch to swing things in Ustinov's favor."


Is Ustinov really ranked in the Top 10 in two sanctioning bodies???? That's better than what Klitschko has done at times.

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The Shadow:

"The question is , why doesn't Floyd get tested randomly 365 24/7?

Donaire seems to be the only fighter in the world that allows a lab to test him 365 24/7whether he is in training for a fight or not.

Floyd can do it , why doesn't he?"


No idea. He's mentioned having 24/7-365 drug testing in his stable but I haven't heard of it being implemented yet.

Storm, I'm still digesting the other points fully!

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oubobcat:

"Sports Illustrated has been around for almost 60 years. The magazine reportedly has more than 3 million subscribers and the print edition is reportedly read by more than 3 million people each week. It has long been recognized as America's premier sports periodical.

The first issue, dated Aug. 16, 1954, featured Milwaukee Braves slugger Eddie Mathews on the cover. The sixth issue featured Rocky Marciano. There would be 10 more boxing-themed covers before the decade of the 1950s drew to a close.

By my count, there have been 152 Sports Illustrated covers that revolved entirely or partly around boxing. Almost one-fourth highlighted Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali. Among the lesser lights that graced the cover were Roy Harris, Tom McNeeley, Willie Pastrano, Gypsy Joe Harris, Chuck Wepner, and Danny "Little Red" Lopez.

Three boxers were accorded the honor of being named the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year: Ingemar Johansson (1959), Muhammad Ali (1974), and Sugar Ray Leonard (1981).

The Golden Age of Boxing, measured by Sports Illustrated covers, was the decade of the 1980s. There were 48 boxing-themed covers compared with 28 in the decade of the 1970s and 26 in the decade of the 1990s.

How many times has a boxer been featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated since the turn of the 21st century? By my count, only "10" and that includes covers where a boxer was pictured with an athlete from a different sport. The last "true" boxing cover was the May 7, 2007 issue that hyped the forthcoming mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Oscar de la Hoya. (Micky Ward inspired the Dec. 20, 2010 S.I. cover that featured actors Donnie Wahlberg and Christian Bale.)

Tallying up Sports Illustrated covers is hardly the best way to measure a sport's popularity, but it does tell us something about how brightly a sport shines in the galaxy of sports. And sad to say, boxing doesn't have much of a glow anymore, -- at least not in the United States.

Can boxing regain its former glory? How so?"


In order for boxing to regain its former glory, it has to move off the PPV/premium cable model. Unfortunately that does not seem likely.

The NFL is popular in the US because it is on tv on channels that most Americans can watch. The Super Bowl, the sports biggest event, is not a $69.95 PPV event. Its on free tv.

If the NFL were on premium cable and say the biggest games, playoff games and Super Bowl were PPV, well the popularity would fall significantly. The same with MLB, NBA and NHL.

I know boxing used to be on network television long before I was born and that is when it was most popular. Unless the sport finds it way back in the US to network television with cable (not premium but regular) also involved, well its popularity will not get back to what it once was.

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Radam G:

He is a bit of both. Holla!

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SamuraiSam:

"He is both. A rare gem that should be enjoyed while he is in his prime.

Dear Al (The Shadow) Haymon,

I hope this post gets to you where ever you are hiding. Please let Peter Quillen fight GGG at MSG. MSG will be sold out.
You will get a nice cut out of Peter's gigantic purse for "advising" him to take this fight. The boxing world will be most appreciative. Peter will get respect for taking the fight. GGG will have a nice test in front of him. Win- Win for everyone.
You might even get some nice mentions on boxing websites.

Sincerely, Deepwater2"


Dear Al,

I second Deepwater2's motion. You will hear heartfelt & sincere "I WANT TO THANK AL HAYMON"s coming from the boxing world, from the true fans who witness great fights being made...instead of just hearing it as a propaganda punchline coming from your signed fighters and the "New Breed" fans, who are enlisted to building & perpetuating your agenda of getting your fighters the maximum paydays for the least amount of risk.

Yours truly,

SamuraiSam


P.S.-- We know Garcia will truly mean it when he THANKs YOU for giving him Salka. But wouldn't it give you greater satisfaction to hear it coming from grateful fans, instead of just a contractual propaganda punchline coming from the fighter?

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oubobcat:

"Most people never heard of it and most people will never hear of it. They have a pay per view next month. Brian Vera vs Gabe Rosado. It will probably flop. This is what Floyd's new consultant, Bruce Binklow is backing and banking on. Leaving Golden Boy for this venture sure is a step down.The sweet science will go on. This "new" boxing will flop."

I agree that this will not work.

This is not a new sport but a different form of boxing. I could see the initial event getting curiosity seekers but what will happen afterwards? I have a hard time in the long run seeing fans and boxers themselves endorse this "new" boxing.

Remember the XFL had great ratings the for the first broadcast and then completely tanked. A new more exciting form of soccer, indoor soccer, got popular quick in the US and then tanked almost just as fast. It actually tried to restart later on and found a similar result. In sports, its tough to take something that has been around a long time with a tradition and that is successful, try to modify it some in a new concept and succeed in the long term. This is not a new sport but a modified version of the sport of boxing. Its going to be a tough sell to get fans for the long haul and boxers willing to embrace this for the long haul.

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