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the Roast:

Damn Radam you even hit the GOAT when he was down? Shame on you Fists Rapido!

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oubobcat:

"Team Golovkin is currently pursuing a unification fight with Sam Soliman. Soliman had declined an earlier offer to fight the ultra-achieving Golovkin...but the 40 year old title holder is supposedly ready to unify titles with Golovkin before the end of 2014.

Even if Soliman backs out HBO is determined to keep their flagship fighter as busy as possible with a TBA (if necessary)event as early as October or November."


Soliman makes a ton of sense. I can see HBO trying to get that to happen to get Golovkin to start unifying the Middleweight titles.

Another name that I forgot about and may be possible is Sergio Mora. Mora has in the past stated his desire to face Golovkin. He is a name and brings his slick style to the table. Frankly, as I have previously stated, there just aren't many out there right now willing to face Golovkin for one reason or another. I would not be surprised to see Mora get some consideration especially if Soliman passes on the fight.

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oubobcat:

Both are before my time but I have seen plenty of tape and read up quite a bit on both. By all accounts and from what I have viewed, Chuvalo had one of the best chins in the history of the sport (up there with Jake LaMotta). Cobb took a thrashing from Holmes and displayed one heck of a beard in that contest.

I was thinking about this during the time I have been watching boxing (starting later in the 80's) and who had the best chins I can remember. And two names put to the top of my head. One was Julio Cesar Chavez and the other believe it or not was Hector Camacho.

Chavez had a tremendous beard in his prime. I remember being in absolute total shock when Frankie Randall put him down in 1994. I never thought we'd see that happen. In his prime thought, Chavez seemingly walked through everything that landed on him and kept coming forward.

Camacho fought some of the biggest punchers in the sport during his time and was never knocked out 88 professional fights. And did not have a lot of knockdowns in 673 total rounds boxed. Yes in many of the bigger fights he was on his bicycle or held a lot. But still you are going to get hit and he absorbed his share of big punches from hard punchers without ever being knocked out. Names on his resume include Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Mancini, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, an older Roberto Duran and many others. Like him or not, Camacho had one heck of a beard.

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oubobcat:

I will say for my own personal rankings I will be moving Golovkin up the board to number two. I will wait to compile my final rankings for this time frame until after the Kovalev fight though as depending on his performance could move up a little or down.

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Skibbz:

Great video Radam, a nice reminder of some of the things Ali did other than fighting in the ring. That kid sure can punch.

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deepwater2:

The Jeopardy answer of the day.



Boxing for $1000, Alec.



Andre Dirrell has a chance against GGG.



What is something that no one says ever?



Correct!



Lets forget about Dirrell until he gets a big win under his belt. He was hard to watch when he was active. Let The Shadow Al Haymon set him up with some bums for easy money until we talk about GGG vs Dirrell.

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Skibbz:

"They’re not ready to say “Hagler”. Soon, maybe."

Soon I believe too. It's interesting, when Duran was started to make a name for himself on major under cards, the big reporters and writers were skeptical until they saw him fight in person. They soon became believers. I think it's much the same with Gennady. When you see it with your own eyes, you can't help but start to be persuaded. Then you look at his resume and think, maybe this guy can do it. I think he will unify the division by the end of 2015 at the latest.

That said too much of a whirlwind to superstardom has ruined many, although not everyone is the same. What d'you make of him Mort?

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Skibbz:

Just putting it out there, no one beats Golovkin from 160-168. Give me a name, and I'll tell you how many rounds it would take.

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thegreyman:

"He really only "came up short" against Froch. And that was a disputed split decision where he really won. He beat the living pi$$ out of an undefeated Arthur Abraham.

He's beaten GGG before, that's why I say it.

As far as courage, exchange etc I just listed what I liked about him. Don't find him any more courageous than other fighters. His power is great, though, I like that. Didn't mention that.

I'm not particularly fond of guys who like to stand and trade and slug. Besides, if he ever found himself outgunned, I'm sure he would adjust instead of fighting fire with fire."


And Golovkin beat Dirrell handily in 2004 at Athens. Golovkin was, even with half the skills he has now, banging away at the body, commanding the ring and the flow of the fight, taking away Dirrell's jab and completely controlling range. I can't see how you could think, after seeing that fight, that Dirrell could seriously bother GGG.

As we've said countless times here, the amateurs are NOT the same as the pros. Amateurs award for quantity, not quality- amateur bouts are a sporting contest, pro's are a fight to the end.

Golovkin's punching was of much greater quality in that fight- his combinations, the power behind his punches, and his body work, which was partly ignored by the judges, would have been devastating had the gloves not been such huge mittens.

And Golovkin has improved drastically in the last 10 years, while Dirrell has not. His mastery of cutting off the ring, of switching between body and head with masterfully placed combinations. Not to mention his power.

I suggest you re-watch the fight because think you're deceiving yourself when it comes to GGG vs Dirrell.

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mortcola:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


Hindsight, but I honestly thought Cotto’s fundamentals would expose Martinez. Just not as dramatically. Even Martinez doesn’t blame the knee, by the way. I love Cotto. I just don’t think he is durable to last the distance, although he’ll make it a good fight.

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mortcola:

"Another demolition job of someone who had never been stopped. What will Golovkin's naysayers say now?"



They're not ready to say "Hagler". Soon, maybe.

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Radam G:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


It doesn't mean JACK about a division title. It is about the money. M-Co is a big welterweight fighting middleweight. Welterweights have a long history of fighting weak middleweights for the right money fight and winning. Sugar Ray Leonard was an exception in fighting and narrowly beating super-strong middleweight-king Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

Mexican-Cuban Jose Napoles almost committed suicide challenging the late, great middleweight Carlos Monzon for not enough dinero.

Three g cannot draw big. And he is a good-size middleweight with stealth and pop. Fudge him! Let him dance with the other alphabet belt titleholders. M-Co is going to fight and whup the red-headed hype for $25mil plus. Holla!

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the Roast:

Interesting watch. Tex Cobb comes to mind for best punch eater. That fight with Holmes is legendary for the amount of flush punches Tex got hit with. Howard Cosell turned his back on boxing after that one. George was a little before my time.

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the Roast:

"That's your libido messing with you - always thinking about girls in skirts chasing a ball on a court can do that to a man."

You could be right Grimm. I do spend a lot of time chasing that yellow ball on the court. I have a very narrow focus when it comes to that. When the point is over, good or bad, you put it out of your mind and move on to the next one.
I could have just hit the greatest shot of all time or missed an easy overhead, its all the same. There's another ball coming right up.
Same thing with the skirts. No matter if you hit or miss there will be another one coming around the corner.

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the Roast:

"Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.



M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!"




You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.

You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.

Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter.

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The Good Doctor:

Maybe you guys mentioned this in another post during my absence but Shawn Porter is notoriously absent from anything above. I do not think he is P4P top 10 yet but if you have Thurman, Crawford, & Lomachenko on the honorable mention, I think Porter should get a nod there as well.

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brownsugar:

GGG will be at the top of the list by May 2015 unanimously.

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brownsugar:

Team Golovkin is currently pursuing a unification fight with Sam Soliman. Soliman had declined an earlier offer to fight the ultra-achieving Golovkin...but the 40 year old title holder is supposedly ready to unify titles with Golovkin before the end of 2014.

Even if Soliman backs out HBO is determined to keep their flagship fighter as busy as possible with a TBA (if necessary)event as early as October or November.

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brownsugar:

"Do you really think he's that good? I like his body work and poise. Other than that, I really don't know...

Hey, speaking of which, Andre Dirrell, the guy who I think beats him -- or at least builds a huge points lead before getting stopped -- finally got his release from SMS Promotions.

He's supposed to be linking back up with Al Haymon, though this is just speculation at this point. If Haymon takes him back, then wow. Good dude. Say whatever you want but he cares about the fighters when no one else does."


Yes Shadow he's that good. ...better in fact......He defeated Dirrell in the third round of the 2004 summer olympics enroute to winning the silver medal. 3 guys he defeated in the amateur have become champions...and two others have become top contenders.

Dirrell just got away from SMS.... He claims the collaboration with 50 Cents was sheer hell.
But he's been so inactive so long I doubt that he'd be very competitive against any boxer of note when he comes back. Dirrell lost all momentum in the Super Six....he'd better avoid GGG like a the Ebola plague.

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ArneK.:

I had forgotten about Kirkland Laing. Just got done "googling" him. It's sad the way his life unraveled, but he was no imposter. He actually did beat Roberto Duran in a nationally televised fight. Who knows how far he would have gone if he had been more disciplined?

The imposters that Bill Schutte cited had, by all accounts, no boxing experience whatsoever. One fellow that patronized the bowling alley in his neighborhood claimed to be Irish Bob Murphy, a light heavyweight who developed a strong following in California during the middle years of the 20th century.

People addressed this phony as "champ," a common method of greeting an ex-boxer: "What's up, champ?" He did nothing to deserve this token of respect and Schutte was happy to "out" him.

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The Good Doctor:

"Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.



M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!"




Can't put it any better. And yes Radam you did tout that Cotto would crush Martinez.



Cotto is going to fight Canelo for mega bucks and probably win. After that, I think he would see if he can talk Chavez Jr down a few lb's for some more big dough. I think he could win that and probably ride off into the sunset. Cotto has been one to hint at how he does not plan to fight forever so I do think his days are numbered.



I am an ardent Cotto fan as anyone who knows me has seen but I cannot see him beating or even fighting GGG. No loot, a extremely tough fight, not in his real weight class, and a loss knocks him off the A-list. It aint happenin'.

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Skibbz:

""Ring Magazine Upset of the Year" 1982 -- Kirkland Laing-Roberto Duran. K-La became a humble drunk. I think you or someone post his nowadays demise on another Thread a bit ago.



None of the elite and true souls, who fall on how times, are violent or phony. (Bruce Curry was an exception to the rule. He was found mentally I'll and institutionalize until he got better.)



I find the violence and meanness coming from the posers and busters who have never fought or were never worth 2˘. But one day, their brain chemicals become wack, and these perpetrators of Boksing frauds are locked, loaded and ready to attack. The only thing that calm 'em down is a severe -- and sometimes crippling -- arse thrashing. Holla!"




Hole in one RG. I wonder what he's doing these days, I would hope that he's teaching the next generation what he's learned about boxing, his insights from the ring and in life in general.



Too many phoneys around, people are quick to claim they're this and that but it would take one flurry in the ring to provide the proof in the pudding against the fakes.

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Radam G:

"There used to be a scruffy, unshaven drunk who would tramp along the high streets of East London, spending what money he had in the bookies and off licenses, drinking discount lager from early morning in parks where he'd often pass out late afternoon.

He would often tell people who would listen that he was formerly a world famous boxer, who could have went on and been one of the greatest had he not grown a fondness for cannabis, drink and women. He would be able to recite countless memories of fights, in vivid detail as if he was almost reliving the moment. He could rattle off the career details of so many fighters in the 70's, 80's and 90's you would think he was a boxing historian turned scruff.

He even claimed to have beaten Roberto Duran in his prime and earned his respect through fighting him long and hard, out boxing him with his whip like jab and rapier right hand, bouncing on his toes all night and exchanging when the time was right.

Haven't heard of him for a while but I'm sure he's still around.. Although he is no imposter, all his tales were true."


"Ring Magazine Upset of the Year" 1982 -- Kirkland Laing-Roberto Duran. K-La became a humble drunk. I think you or someone post his nowadays demise on another Thread a bit ago.

None of the elite and true souls, who fall on how times, are violent or phony. (Bruce Curry was an exception to the rule. He was found mentally ill and institutionalize until he got better.) Used-to-be great and good boxers tend to hide out from the gyms and circles of the game when they fall on super hard times. They have a prime factor or sumptin' . More of the times, you have to chase them down to get and/or give 'em a helping hand.

The late Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez comes to my mind. How times flies. Years ago, I alerted some people that cared, a reporter and the boxing community that the famous Ernie Lopez was in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth, Texas, USA. He got flown back to Cali to be introduced into the Cali HOF and to live with his daughter until the day he died from bad health.

I find the violence and meanness coming, not from ex-pugs but, from the posers and busters who have never fought or were never worth 2˘. But one day, their brain chemicals become wack, and these perpetrators of boksing frauds are locked, loaded and ready to attack. The only thing that calm 'em down is a severe -- and sometimes crippling -- arse thrashing counter attack. Holla!

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brownsugar:

I knew a guy who appeared on ESPN twice more than twenty five years ago who pretended to be a boxer. Technically the guy visited the gym and fooled around on the bag a little and might have done some sit ups. The trainers knew his name ... But he rarely showed up for practice and might have sparred once in six months.

I can't think of the guys name but he migrated to different gyms in the city and could always be found talking up his fake history.

I don't know the procedure for submitting an application to fight on ESPN but I saw the guy being introduced as a contestant on one of the Wednesday weekly cards as a late notice replacement.

The guys trunks looked like real baggy cut-off shorts...but they definitely were not boxing trunks and I'm not sure how this was allowed.

As soon as the punches started flying the imposter put on the earmuffs and ducked below his opponents knees and stayed there.

After his knees touched the canvas several times in two rounds out of fear of getting hit the ref waved it off.

It was an off night that featured at least three substitutions and was the shabbiest card I've ever witnessed on ESPN.

The fellow I'm speaking of was a known drunk and a drug abuser .... I never saw him again in the gym after that day ..

ESPN must have had a policy change after that fiasco because I never saw that level of unprofessionalism from the sports magnate again.

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Skibbz:

There used to be a scruffy, unshaven drunk who would tramp along the high streets of East London, spending what money he had in the bookies and off licenses, drinking discount lager from early morning in parks where he'd often pass out late afternoon.

He would often tell people who would listen that he was formerly a world famous boxer, who could have went on and been one of the greatest had he not grown a fondness for cannabis, drink and women. He would be able to recite countless memories of fights, in vivid detail as if he was almost reliving the moment. He could rattle off the career details of so many fighters in the 70's, 80's and 90's you would think he was a boxing historian turned scruff.

He even claimed to have beaten Roberto Duran in his prime and earned his respect through fighting him long and hard, out boxing him with his whip like jab and rapier right hand, bouncing on his toes all night and exchanging when the time was right.

Haven't heard of him for a while but I'm sure he's still around.. Although he is no imposter, all his tales were true.

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Skibbz:

Abraham is set to fight Paul Smith for the middleweight strap. If Paul wins I wouldn't think he'd take on Golovkin so soon, and if Abraham wins I wouldn't be so sure either although I'd like to see that fight personally. It could be a good scrap.

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Skibbz:

Nobody wants to get beat in the era of hyper media, news travels too far and wide too fast! One minute they could be the real deal and the next minute not worth their pair of socks!

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Skibbz:

If Jennings is the best American heavyweight then it speaks volumes about the current level of fighting talent amongst US heavyweights. If I'm not mistaken, Jennings is a part time pugilist and has a salaried job.

As states already, if Perez had been in fighting shape it would have been an easy nights work. First 3 rounds he controlled easily but after that he started to fall short because of his podginess.

Brownsugae, rice and peas with plantain is one of my favourite dishes. I could shovel a heavyweights meal of that deliciousness with ease.

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brownsugar:

Everything went pretty much as expected. Despite all the hype Geale had received for being a solid contender... He had already lost to Mundine and Barker and he also flatly refused the fight against GGG when initially asked more than 18 months ago. At least he tried to put up a token of resistance before he started leaping about from corner to corner like a frightened kangaroo. In contrast to his prefight bluster Geale raised the white flag five rounds earlier than Stevens did.

Makes me wonder if ANY qualified challengers will step up to take the challenge.

This is the age of Golovkin...I doubt Quillin Chavez or Cotto responds to his challenge any time soon. Soliman has slready refused and hasnt conveyed any interest in accepting the fight.

Its just a sport guys...(although an exuberant GGG said boxing wasn't a game) somebody worthy please take the challenge.

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Skibbz:

Well they typically leave school (or abscond) from around 10-11 years old for boys. They are expected to earn a living with their father and contribute to their family. The girls are more likely to stay in education although this rarely goes beyond 14 or 15 years of age. They too are expected to learn house keeping and child rearing.

They are fairly closed communities but generally open people. I knew a kickboxer who spent 6 months tiling driveways on Australia, 4 months training in Thailand and 2 months of fighting almost every week so long as he didnt have serious cuts or bruises. They are very hard working people.

It makes no difference really to the fans in my opinion what their heritage is, as long as they show courage in the ring and put on a fan friendly performance they will be cheered and respected. Saunders has talent, but he lacks discipline and fitness.

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