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Froggy:

"Smart move Froggy"

Thanks KB, I don't evem remember the last fight I paid to watch but I won't pay in the future either unless I feel it is worth it, I think more and more people feel the same way ! You are so right, as long as people pay, the powers that be will keep feeding the consumer a product that is overpriced !

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Kid Blast:

Smart move Froggy

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Froggy:

I didn't pay to watch, I just watched it this am. and I noticed some others here also refused to order it on PPV !

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Kid Blast:

No sport like boxing so frequently and without remorse cheats its most loyal fans. This was a flim-flam from the get go.

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The Shadow:

Dude needs to take his a$$ to Oakland ASAP.

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The Shadow:

"I like it. If PAC is going to 140 he might as well beat the champion at the weight. Barclays might get it. I think PAC boxes his ears off. Angel Garcia might pop a vein in his neck yelling at Freddie Roach.
Will tsAH allow it? Danny has a cushy gig fighting guys like Salka."


That's not fair, Deep. He's had one of the toughest stretches of fights over the past few years. Herrera is a top level 140 pounder who beat Ruslan Provodnikov.

He's fought one gimme since he burst on to the world scene. If anyone deserved an easy fight it was him.

In fact, Canelo, Swift and Carl Froch have probably had the toughest schedules in boxing. (And even Froch faced a BUM in between.)

And I love Chris Algieri but what about Pacquiao fighting this con job we just saw?

I think this is a tough fight for Manny Pacquiao. I would give him the edge based on experience but then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him knocked out cold with whiplash.

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The Commish:

All great comments above.

Knowing these guys the way I do, I think Algieri tried to be his normal, passive self, but was caught up in the moment and fell into the outrageous behavorial patterns of Tim Lane.

Deep, those are two interesting names you brought up: Kevin Rooney and Joey Gamache. However, I don't know if Rooney is A) still training fighters and B) how the raw, uncut Rooney Sr. will mix with the intellectual, hard-working bachelor that is Chris Algieri.

Another name which comes to mind is Long Island's Joe Higgins, who manages and trains several fine prospects, including unbeaten jr. middleweight prospect, Patrick Day. If Algieri intends to stay on Long Island, I think Higgins--a longtime boxing guy--will be the perfect trainer for Chris. I know this: Higgins will be able to teach Algieri to clinch, something he badly needed to do on Saturday night, but either didn't know how or have the experience and coaching to remind him to do so.

Although I don't know if Chris WILL make major changes to Team Algieri, I do know this:

He SHOULD!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I keep saying Deep more to you! Those guys were simply sticking their money in the air willing to let fate decide.. The universe won't always be on your side and no magic stones will help your cause if the actuality of reality is against you.

Commish do you think he will be hiring Tim Lane for his next fight or will he seek out a new trainer? He has a nice bonus to play with right now and a good trainer who knows what prizefighting is about might be able to help him work his way towards a title shot.. Keep the Algieri show rollin'!"


Your guess is as good as mineon whether Algieri cuts his longtime friends/trainers loose. I saw him do it with his fantastic cutman, George Mitchell,a disciple of the late, great cutman Al Gavin, whom Team Algieri let go after the Ruslan Provodnikov fight. Why they let him go is still a mystery to me. I intend to be speaking at length to Chris in the next few weeks, and Gerry Cooney wants to speak to him, as well.

I like Keith Trimble and I like Tim Lane. I've worked in the gym alongside Tim and I've watched Keith handle clients. They are friendly, outgoing and professional. They have also done a fine job getting Algieri into top shape. However, their teaching prowess when it comes to the nuances of boxing are limited and their shortcomings came up large on the big stage.

If Algieri was able to let Big George Mitchell go (he's 6'10"!), when he did such a fine job at containing the massive swelling around Algieri's right eye against Provodnikov, he certainly should do the same with Lane and Trimble.

I know it won't be easy, as the three are very close friends, aside from being a longtime training team.

However, there's an old addage which says, "If it's not broken, don't fix it."

I'm sure Chris Algieri is well aware that Team Algieri is broken.

It's time to fix it!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

The members of this sideshow should be breaking up soon. They were a big combo of stupidity and a strong smell of stench. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Well done Randy.

That Crow pie is something we have all ate at sometime.

Algieri couldn't have hoped for better support."


Thanks, guys. I'm (munch) reading your posts at breakfast on Monday morning.

This morning it's Crow Omelette with a side of Crow Bacon.

I can't even get away from it (munch, gulp!) when I am not eating. Earlier, my wife and I were visiting some of the kids. My granddaughter was doing homework. What was she studying? CROmagnons!!

Time to finish my Cinnamon Crow Coffee and get ready (munch, munch) to head to the studio and brace myself for a final two hours of eating some heavy platefuls of Crow.

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

Well done Randy.

That Crow pie is something we have all ate at sometime.

Algieri couldn't have hoped for better support.

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Skibbz:

"F all that noise. C-al was way too arrogant and confident during prefight. to me he still sounded as if he didnt want admit manny is in a complete different class and is an animal by saying its only the exerience level.... and c-al was in complete survival mode the whole fight, he survived by riding his bike the whole night, his game plan was out the window once he got hit. anyways this cocky clown with a college degree just got taken to school by a true master boxer from professor pacman who holds a doctorates degree in the sweet science!"



I agree with what Deep says but I think Algieri got his big head and ego too involved and fooled himself into believing pacquiao is just any one and he has what it takes. Even after the fight he was saying Pac fought like Pac and Pac is a great champion. How else would he expect Pac to fight? He wouldn't accept he was beaten by a simply better fighter in all regards. He was way in over his head and he still couldnt see it. Hundreds of bouts amatuer and professional can help you prepare for pacquiao, a few kickboxing bouts and 19 road sweepers isn't the learning process to pass to be on the same level as manny.



And tim lane should be gone.

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stormcentre:

I'm not buying.

Lomanchenko really displayed all the skills I knew he had (against a marginally slower guy that Gary Russell would beat also).

But, in my opinion, Floyd is way too much for him right now - even in just power alone.

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rdv_27:

I'd love to see Mikey Garcia vs Loma.

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stormcentre:

"Great matchup, just for the fact Danny G sits in that pocket and fights, meaning we will get some great exchanges. Pac by stoppage or UD

Put up a decent undercard and we have a legit PPV"


Yes good point about Garcia's style.

He fights and doesn't (usually) give up.

Pure Philly.

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amayseng:

Great matchup, just for the fact Danny G sits in that pocket and fights, meaning we will get some great exchanges. Pac by stoppage or UD

Put up a decent undercard and we have a legit PPV

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Radam G:

"Oh yes, just the pre-fight intercourse between Roach and Angel would make the fight worth it.

All things considered, and save for a lucky punch, Pac should run over Danny though.

Too much speed, power and experience."


It will be more intense between PacMommy D and Papa Angel. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Oh yes, just the pre-fight intercourse between Roach and Angel would make the fight worth it.

All things considered, and save for a lucky punch, Pac should run over Danny though.

Too much speed, power and experience.

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brownsugar:

"Thoughts?"





Garcia walks around at 165.

He has extreme difficulty trying to make 140,and can no longer safely make the weight.

I think if they fight at a catch weight his amateur experience would allow him to put forth a competitive but losing effort in an entertaining fight.

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deepwater2:

I like it. If PAC is going to 140 he might as well beat the champion at the weight. Barclays might get it. I think PAC boxes his ears off. Angel Garcia might pop a vein in his neck yelling at Freddie Roach.
Will tsAH allow it? Danny has a cushy gig fighting guys like Salka.

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brownsugar:

Just say no to "Survivalist Boxing",.... Lol.

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brownsugar:

Lol... Its just boxing and Algieri is merely a novice who got "N Too Deep".
Algieri doesn't deserve my disparaging comments just for hyping the fight with his bodacious promises or wasting his energy bouncing around the ring like an aerobic instructor trying to imitate a boxer of for using the only resource at his disposal.

The technique i call " survival boxing ", which entails running ..... as fast as he could in the opposite direction of Manny Pacquioa ......in an effort to keep his head attached to his shoulders.

And there is no discrace getting bounced off the canvas reapeatedly while fleeing in full flight from the very personification of boxing version of The Boogey Man.

Algieri should feel thankful for his opportunity. If matched correctly he can still spoil a few top ten welters who can't cut the ring or may not feel inclined to running a marathon.

The fight was hard to watch at times but thankfully the two preceding prelims delivered the goods. And Algieri escaped none the worse for wear.

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BFF:

F all that noise. C-al was way too arrogant and confident during prefight. to me he still sounded as if he didnt want admit manny is in a complete different class and is an animal by saying its only the exerience level.... and c-al was in complete survival mode the whole fight, he survived by riding his bike the whole night, his game plan was out the window once he got hit. anyways this cocky clown with a college degree just got taken to school by a true master boxer from professor pacman who holds a doctorates degree in the sweet science!

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stormcentre:

Fair comments, RG and D2.

Could say some things about the appropriateness and/or humour of Tim Lane's comments and kickboxing attire, but will refrain - it's not easy holding back.

Also, I think Berto and Lara summed it up quite nicely too.

Big, big task to ask of Algieri, even if he had been 12 rounds before.

Arum must be thinking . . . ."over to you now Floyd, unless of course you're preoccupied with other things".

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brownsugar:

"It's just become the hot matchup of next year.



The great thing is, it's almost certain to happen.



I've got Loma. Another East Euro legend. :cool:"




By the 3rd round Lomo had his opponent conditioned and trained to follow him while absorbing abuse.... it was if the man was hypnotised....Lomo is very selective about using his power shots and is the first European I've seen who can use lateral movement as well as he does.



He was worth watching... I look forward to seeing more.



However Lomo is a big feather weight.... Don't count on seeing him matched up with Rigo any time soon.

Lomo said Rigo is too small( meaning he's not willing to boil down to the catch weight of 124-125lb required by Rigo to make the fight ). This fight is simply not happening.



Lomo is easily 20 lbs bigger than Rigo which might as well be the proportional equivalent of 50lbs for men their size. Rigo is a natural Bantamweight.



In related news Walters has recently said he's not going to defend his title against a fighter with only 3 pro fights.

Walters says Lomo has nothing to offer and everything to gain.



Normally I would write this comment off as a "duck" or blatant cowardice by team Walters.... But when you hear Walters explain it... you can see his motivations are not in the slightest way associated with fear.



In fact Lomo has echoed similar reservations about Walters and has not publically called him out however both Walters and Lomo have acknowledged their day of reckoning is coming and both fighters vow to be ready on that date with destiny.



In the meantime KO artist and fellow champ Gonzalez is the litmus test both Lomo and Walters want to be tested by.



I fear we will have to be patient for the next most interesting fight in boxing.



Its good to know there will be superhuman fighters like Lomo and GGG around to watch as we count down the days of extraordinary fighters like Floyd and Paq, .....who will soon be fading into the history books as we embrace the future.

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Radam G:

"Fire coach Lane. He is a kick boxer . He doesn't train the finer arts of the sweet science. Chris's stance was too far apart like a kick boxer. He needs to sit down on his punches at some point.
Lane was yelling at the WBO president about Roach's hand wrapping. Not cool.
Team Algieri needs to make an executive decision and fire Lane or demote him to training partner.
Kevin Rooney jr may as we'll ask his dad to train him or maybe get Joey Gamache on board. The kid can have a handful of fights at 140 but he needs a master boxing coach to teach him ,not a coach that just keeps yelling master boxer."


Hehehehe! Ditto DAT! Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

Commish don't go hogging all the crow. Save a helping or three for me.

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deepwater2:

Fire coach Lane. He is a kick boxer . He doesn't train the finer arts of the sweet science. Chris's stance was too far apart like a kick boxer. He needs to sit down on his punches at some point.

Lane was yelling at the WBO president about Roach's hand wrapping. Not cool.

Team Algieri needs to make an executive decision and fire Lane or demote him to training partner.

Kevin Rooney jr may as we'll ask his dad to train him or maybe get Joey Gamache on board. The kid can have a handful of fights at 140 but he needs a master boxing coach to teach him ,not a coach that just keeps yelling master boxer.

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Radam G:

"Mismatch. Props to all the guys who called it.

Manny just schools. He'll do the same to young gun Danny 'Swift' next. If Jnr dares.

I reckon old Radam's doing some epic partying right now and neglecting many of his good habits. Ha and Holla!"


Never do I neglect good nutrition habits nowadays. And I don't drink anymore.

If I could leave da dames, damsels and dolls alone, I would be inhuman. That is GOD's fault for all these eye candy gals.

My darn wondering eyes are all over the place. And my pants don't have enough space. And my Johnson just have to have a XX-chromosome taste. Hehe! Holla!

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Yogo:

Mismatch. Props to all the guys who called it.

Manny just schools. He'll do the same to young gun Danny 'Swift' next. If Jnr dares.

I reckon old Radam's doing some epic partying right now and neglecting many of his good habits. Ha and Holla!

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