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Skibbz:

He got flattened. I hate to say it but if you were privy and watched him spar Paul Butler then you would see he's a mere shadow of his former self.



Great timing and accuracy by coyle, katsidis had no chance of making a recovery. Fair stoppage and great fight whilst it lasted.

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Kid Blast:

That is all

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Kid Blast:

I'm going with Haye and the President. Lots of muscle mass generating monster hand speed and KO power.

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Kid Blast:

"I mentioned Toney weeks ago. Skill wise he is the best. Conditioning- wise , he is not the best. He knocked out Holyfield and schooled Peter and got a bad decision by a couple rounds.I would give him a good shot against the Klits because Toney could roll under those jabs and shoot the counter right hand. Toney would rabbit punch them when they grab on the inside."

Maybe. But the Klits are very big and rabbit punching them takes some doing. I think they keep James a bay on a boring UD.

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Kid Blast:

"Ike Ibeabuchi. As a fan of the heavyweights, I'd love a parallel universe where this guy was in the mix with Lewis and the Klitschkos. I'm optimistic about the division post-Klitschko, even if it's foolish optimism. I miss the inimitable electricity of a big-time heavyweight title fight. It hasn't happened since Lewis-Klitschko, and that was by mistake, as VK was then considered fragile (Byrd fight), and was a late substitute for Kirk Johnson. The fight aired on regular HBO."



Good one. He was something else.

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Froggy:

Great post mortcola !

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Kid Blast:

Coyle is a heavy load who can duke.

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mortcola:

"I really want to know, on a site like this, I expect a decent level of boxing IQ and honesty, not puppeteering and f***ery but the realness.

How many of you are trolls ? how many of you are puppets ? how many of you are ignorant ? how many of you need some serious boxing schooling ? both in the ring and out ?

Guys, the first half of this past era in the heavyweight division belonged to James Lights Out Toney. He gave us the most in ring and out of ring entertainment, he gave us the most compelling match-ups, the most exciting and entertaining heavyweight fights of the entire past era. Every part of his heavywight tenure as a top contender, his heavyweight prime is under appreciated and not nearly respected enough. I have watched hundreds if not thousands of fights, I have studied heavyweight boxing since 2008 in which I have watched every era of boxing. When you really watch James Toney's heavyweight fights, you can really put them in any era, not only him but the fights. I am not sure why un educated fight fans tend to put this unrealistic expectation on fights, especially heavyweight fights, it is likely they have never fought nor trained and they figure it is easy, just something you do... Many will look at comments and media, they will become quick to write off a guy like Toney because he is muscular and fit, sometimes with a little extra weight but he is not ripped nor the quintessential body type depicted for media driven combat sports. They will conclude, likely without even watching the fight, or even more so not studying the fight that it's garbage. They have this idea of mike tyson, Ali, Foreman etc and fathom that those guys and there fights are exponentially more. The fact is that the margins are slim, the facts are that these people are simply uneducated and unaware of the realities.


http://brettcharles.hubpages.com/hub/JamesToney-The-Negative-Agenda-and-Heavyweight-Boxings-Squandered-Era

above is an a honest and true depiction of this past era, outside of the view from the Klitchkos.


James Toney would have destroyed the Klitchkos, why ? skill, prowess, in ring intelligence, sheer heart, will and determination. James is the type of guy who knows enough to save himself for the right and greatest of occasions. He would take all the chances, he would do anything and everything including putting his never being stopped record on the line to topple the highest profile of world championships.

this is just the start on a lazy day, come one come all, I will prove James Toney is the one and only, any argument is truly phony."


Well, I respect the new blood, and the passion. Plus, you seem to know some boxing. But there are two separate Toney’s - if you don’t count the difference between the middleweight and the heavyweight. There is Toney the throwback sweet scientist who was just so beautiful to watch if you watched the boxing and not the violence. Then there is the Toney who was athletically average and undersized/over-bellied, who could simultaneously be leagues ahead of his opponent skill-wise and still lose the fight. His subtlety only translated into good wins if his opponent was rigid and/or not too big. You set up a big fallacy-argument to dissuade debate when you write that any argument is truly phony, not to mention that questioning the competence of the participants is kind of like the badass who walks into a bar and throws a loud challenge to the whole room - got to ask, what’s this guy’s agenda? But I’ll let that slide to youthful enthusiasm. You’ll get civilized here, don’t worry. As for the fights, Toney would show some neat moves and not win a round against either brother. I would say Wlad’s mastery of distance and angle is the equal of Toney’s inside subtlety. One European channel dis breakdown of the physics of Wlad’s jab-right in terms of its accuracy of timing and maximizing of power; Vitali, who was nothing like his brother technically, had some of the sneakiest head and upper body movement ever seen in a heavyweight. Not only did they dominate to an extent unprecedented in boxing history (for reasons also due to factors laid out in this article) it was as close to impossible to even hit them as one sees in the fighters more famous for superb defense. And Toney would be laughably undersized, light-hitting, unable to find an effective angle of extension beyond his own belly to land anything effective on the Bros who were so much taller than him; he wd be likely nailed with the hardest uppercuts he’s ever faced and otherwise tossed around like a fat middleweight, negating his good tools, which would not do him any good in these imaginary fights. Conceivably hurt or stopped in a manner no one else could muster. A great artist with inadequate equipment, that’s Toney against most heavyweights. And most heavyweights can’t even win a minute, much less a round against the Docs. But I will remember the pre-heavy Toney fondly and always consider him the Archie Moore or J.J. Walcott of the era, skill wise. He just couldn’t accomplish anything close to justifying his finely honed toolkit. Its not his belly or his lack of dramatic KOs; its the fact that he didn’t get much done once he got fat. And its results that ultimately count.

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mortcola:

"Any of them RG...pick one,... Would be more entertaining than what we had over the last decade.

No disrespect to the KBrothers. But a change is good."




Bloom County was more entertaining than Girl with a Pearl Earring. But Berk Breathed isn't even in the same profession, much less league, as Vermeer. Sorry if that's obscure, but that's just me.

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mortcola:

"Wow! Thanks for that. Those big guys that went the route to the MMA/UFC would be easy matches for even the saddest big guys of nowadays professional pugilism. Holla!"



yes, yes, and yes

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oubobcat:

What an incredible fight this was. A lot of give and take action. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch at all.

I had Caballero winning 116-111 but it seems a lot of people thought Hall won. In my opinion, Caballero landed cleaner punches that carried many of those close rounds and did some really subtle good work on the inside. Hall was busier at times and landed good shots that looked flashier but Caballero's were cleaner and harder.

How did everyone else who watched this have this one scored?

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deepwater2:

"Why are you here? Just curious Did you write that article? It's well done actually. But Toney juiced, got a gift against Oquendo, lost to Gavern, got slaughtered by Lebedev, etc. The last great Toney I saw was the one who KOd Holyfield. And who slaughtered Jirov. Like too many others, Toney needs money and has now made himself a laughing stock, Sad but just another story in the Big City of Boxing. Even Roy has found a niche in which he can win and retain his dignity. In his prime, Toney was great. No doubt. And he will go into the Hall. But compared to Vitali, it's like comparing the 1975 Bears to the 2013 SEAHAWKS. No comparison. And to lose two to Samuel Peter who Klit hammered. That's an infamita.



No, I'll stick with Haye as the 3rd one. If only he had fought more."




I mentioned Toney weeks ago. Skill wise he is the best. Conditioning- wise , he is not the best. He knocked out Holyfield and schooled Peter and got a bad decision by a couple rounds.I would give him a good shot against the Klits because Toney could roll under those jabs and shoot the counter right hand. Toney would rabbit punch them when they grab on the inside.

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Kid Blast:

Nice story by the way

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Kid Blast:

Why are you here? Just curious Did you write that article? It's well done actually. But Toney juiced, got a gift against Oquendo, lost to Gavern, got slaughtered by Lebedev, etc. The last great Toney I saw was the one who KOd Holyfield. And who slaughtered Jirov. Like too many others, Toney needs money and has now made himself a laughing stock, Sad but just another story in the Big City of Boxing. Even Roy has found a niche in which he can win and retain his dignity. In his prime, Toney was great. No doubt. And he will go into the Hall. But compared to Vitali, it's like comparing the 1975 Bears to the 2013 SEAHAWKS. No comparison. And to lose two to Samuel Peter who Klit hammered. That's an infamita.



No, I'll stick with Haye as the 3rd one. If only he had fought more.

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Kid Blast:

Danger lurks for The Greta every time he fights. The worse thing that can happen is that he beats Tommy Coyle today.Like Jermaine Taylor, the worst thing that could happen is that Michael wins and then fights someone who is higher tier– the underlying danger being that if Katsidis (or Taylor) wins in a convincing manner, he will continue to fight-on. But if he could not floor a totally shot Graham Earl, how will he do against a warrior who is Michael's mirror image in his prime?

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Kid Blast:

I'm here to share and learn. Period Ker Plunk. And to get some ides for articles.

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AkKnowledge:

I really want to know, on a site like this, I expect a decent level of boxing IQ and honesty, not puppeteering and f***ery but the realness.



How many of you are trolls ? how many of you are puppets ? how many of you are ignorant ? how many of you need some serious boxing schooling ? both in the ring and out ?



Guys, the first half of this past era in the heavyweight division belonged to James Lights Out Toney. He gave us the most in ring and out of ring entertainment, he gave us the most compelling match-ups, the most exciting and entertaining heavyweight fights of the entire past era. Every part of his heavywight tenure as a top contender, his heavyweight prime is under appreciated and not nearly respected enough. I have watched hundreds if not thousands of fights, I have studied heavyweight boxing since 2008 in which I have watched every era of boxing. When you really watch James Toney's heavyweight fights, you can really put them in any era, not only him but the fights. I am not sure why un educated fight fans tend to put this unrealistic expectation on fights, especially heavyweight fights, it is likely they have never fought nor trained and they figure it is easy, just something you do... Many will look at comments and media, they will become quick to write off a guy like Toney because he is muscular and fit, sometimes with a little extra weight but he is not ripped nor the quintessential body type depicted for media driven combat sports. They will conclude, likely without even watching the fight, or even more so not studying the fight that it's garbage. They have this idea of mike tyson, Ali, Foreman etc and fathom that those guys and there fights are exponentially more. The fact is that the margins are slim, the facts are that these people are simply uneducated and unaware of the realities.





http://brettcharles.hubpages.com/hub/JamesToney-The-Negative-Agenda-and-Heavyweight-Boxings-Squandered-Era



above is an a honest and true depiction of this past era, outside of the view from the Klitchkos.





James Toney would have destroyed the Klitchkos, why ? skill, prowess, in ring intelligence, sheer heart, will and determination. James is the type of guy who knows enough to save himself for the right and greatest of occasions. He would take all the chances, he would do anything and everything including putting his never being stopped record on the line to topple the highest profile of world championships.



this is just the start on a lazy day, come one come all, I will prove James Toney is the one and only, any argument is truly phony.

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Froggy:

"Watch what you wish for. You may just get it. I might just bring the noise-talking G Fam up in your studio and we will serve you some Balut and ubod -- coconut tree worms -- cooked in Filipino adobo style.



And if I bring my 114-year-old ex-boxing Tio Mamoy, he will challenge you to push ups on one finger and thumb. He will then challenge you to close your hand before he can snatch out a two-dollar coin or a stack of five copper-coined dollars.



Don't do it. He will break you -- take all of your moolah and LAUGH! Holla"




Radam G, when Randy G's book comes out I will buy it right away, if you write a cook book I will buy it also !

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Radam G:

"Radam, you certainly can bring Tio Mamoy and the rest of the "noise-talking G Fam" up to the SiriusXM studios, but leave the Balut and ubod behind--this is a boxing show, not "Unique International Delicacies with Randy & Gerry."

Just the thought of eating tree worms makes me a bit queezy (do you cover them in dark chocolate, maybe?). By the way, any news on how Mike Jones is doing with his new team and new diet of Balut, ubod, Sisic, Penoy, Betute and Dinugan At Puto?

If he's really eating all that, he deserves to win a world title.

Bring your family.

Leave the food. Sorry. No tree worms allowed!

-Randy G."


A lot of my peeps are believing boksingero Mike Jones is also the rapping/crooning Mike Jones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd0S0LwhEDU

The 6-foot pug is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He got mad game. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Radam, you certainly can bring Tio Mamoy and the rest of the "noise-talking G Fam" up to the SiriusXM studios, but leave the Balut and ubod behind--this is a boxing show, not "Unique International Delicacies with Randy & Gerry."

Just the thought of eating tree worms makes me a bit queezy (do you cover them in dark chocolate, maybe?). By the way, any news on how Mike Jones is doing with his new team and new diet of Balut, ubod, Sisic, Penoy, Betute and Dinugan At Puto?

If he's really eating all that, he deserves to win a world title.

Bring your family.

Leave the food. Sorry. No tree worms allowed!

-Randy G."


A lot of my peeps are believing boksingero Mike Jones is also the rapping/crooning Mike Jones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd0S0LwhEDU

Dude is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He got mad game. Holla!

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Kid Blast:

Unless Lee gets lucky with a counter like he did in his last duke, he will indeed be steamrolled. But given their respective styles, this is one that has the makings of torture use for captured terrorists. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz_________________

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Radam G:

"Shots, missiles and nukes?

Don't you know that C-Al is gonna' have his finest anti-missile system employed that night, as well as a phenomenal APRS (Antin-Pacquiao Response System).

Four weekends away before this place gets renamed. It's gonna' go from being called "Long Island" to being called "Algieri Island."

-Randy G."


Hehehehe! "High Hopes" again with a dash of comedy. Holla!

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The Commish:

"My electrolytes are intense. And that's no pretense.

You and Commish just keep "High Hopes" alive.

Your homeboy will be napping in round five.

Da Manny's shots, missiles and nukes are going to be on Empire State C-Al like a Thousand-and-One delirious Killa' bees from a Macau Island's beehive.

Holla!"


Shots, missiles and nukes?

Don't you know that C-Al is gonna' have his finest anti-missile system employed that night, as well as a phenomenal APRS (Antin-Pacquiao Response System).

Four weekends away before this place gets renamed. It's gonna' go from being called "Long Island" to being called "Algieri Island."

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Mike Jones is game. He is eating right and doing well in sparring. He is a scrapper and bit of a rapper. But don't get him mixed up with Texas rapper Mike Jones.

OMG! We cannot feed YOU DUDES if we roll up to your show? WHAT THE FUDGE? No luv for Pinoy hospitality. Where is day luv?

Just kidding. Holla!"


If you come up, let the New York hospitality take over. I'll have some good 'ol New York pizzas delivered to the studio.
Pepperoni? Onion? Meatball? Plain?

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

Both guys have a lot to prove.

This will tell us, if and how Mattvey deals with a lefty that has skiils, style and some panache and reasonable power.

Cudos to Lee for stepping up and/or agreeing to the fight.

He (Lee) better hope he can hurt Korobov and/or gain his respect, because if he can't he's getting steamrolled.

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Radam G:

On Saturday on the mainland USA is the anniversary of GOAT Ali return to boxing after being exiled by misguided forces of injustices.



Happy birthday and BIG 1 to your grandson. Holla!

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Radam G:

Mike Jones is game. He is eating right and doing well in sparring. He is a scrapper and bit of a rapper. But don't get him mixed up with Texas rapper Mike Jones.

OMG! We cannot feed YOU DUDES if we roll up to your show? WHAT THE FUDGE? No luv for Pinoy hospitality. Where is da luv?

Just kidding. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Watch what you wish for. You may just get it. I might just bring the noise-talking G Fam up in your studio and we will serve you some Balut and ubod -- coconut tree worms -- cooked in Filipino adobo style.

And if I bring my 114-year-old ex-boxing Tio Mamoy, he will challenge you to push ups on one finger and thumb. He will then challenge you to close your hand before he can snatch out a two-dollar coin or a stack of five copper-coined dollars.

Don't do it. He will break you -- take all of your moolah and LAUGH! Holla"


Radam, you certainly can bring Tio Mamoy and the rest of the "noise-talking G Fam" up to the SiriusXM studios, but leave the Balut and ubod behind--this is a boxing show, not "Unique International Delicacies with Randy & Gerry."

Just the thought of eating tree worms makes me a bit queezy (do you cover them in dark chocolate, maybe?). By the way, any news on how Mike Jones is doing with his new team and new diet of Balut, ubod, Sisic, Penoy, Betute and Dinugan At Puto?

If he's really eating all that, he deserves to win a world title.

Bring your family.

Leave the food. Sorry. No tree worms allowed!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"Give me my family, my friends and my work in and around boxing and I'm the happiest guy on Earth, storm.

My offer to all of you who post here stands: If you are in NY on vacation or business, let me know, just the way The Shadow did. I'll put you on the air around the world.

So far, aside from The Shadow being in studio, I've had oubobcat and flackoguapo on the air via phone. I want you guys IN STUDIO.

All of you!

Make it happen!


-Randy G."


Watch what you wish for. You may just get it. I might just bring the noise-talking G Fam up in your studio and we will serve you some Balut and ubod -- coconut tree worms -- cooked in Filipino adobo style.

And if I bring my 114-year-old ex-boxing Tio Mamoy, he will challenge you to push ups on one finger and thumb. He will then challenge you to close your hand before he can snatch out a two-dollar coin or a stack of five copper-coined dollars.

Don't do it. He will break you -- take all of your moolah and LAUGH! Holla

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Radam G:

"Sometimes I feel like I am on another planet when I drop in on this forum.

But then I realise it's OK, cause the Alien is fighting soon."


Hehehehe! That was a good one. I see you got jokes from Down Under. Holla!

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