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deepwater2:

"Here is what I am starting to think is going on...



Haymon never had any intention of matching Quillin with Korobov. He figured Top Rank would win the purse bid with not a huge offer and he'd weasel his way out of this fight for Quillin stating the money is not sufficient. Then, with pressure from Showtime, finally match Quillin and Jacobs in Brooklyn and wrangle a few extra bucks out of Showtime for the fight stating that he could always go the Korobov direction (though he never intended, just leave it out there as a negotiating ploy). Showtime, wanting to make the fight and not risk Quillin losing beforehand, caves to Haymon and gives each fighter a very substantial payday.



The problem...Roc Nation throws a wrench in the plans with a massive offer for the fight and seven figure guarantee for Quillin.



Now, Haymon is not sure what to do or how to advise his fighter. This is why he just asked the WBO for a 2nd extension today. He may even be going to Showtime and telling them right now that they must pony up now for Quillin-Jacobs or that bout will be on the backburner for awhile. He will tell them it is a backyard rivalry and can be made down the line and still be significant.



If my theory is correct, Haymon needs the extension to keep pressure on Showtime. If that massive payday is suddenly off the table, then Haymon loses his leverage.



It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out in the next few days..."




Wow. They asked for a 2nd extension? Not cool to make up a story and use the birth of a baby to stall negotiations. Something was fishy when they asked for the first extension, now a 2nd? Peter Quillin needs to put his foot down.

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oubobcat:

"Floyd needs to either....give back (SRL the most exciting boxer I've ever seen didn't go on Ppv for every fight)

Floyd also needs to .....give us an opponent we can't refuse. I think GGG is too big and too good. But why not try to take Cotto's belt at 160 or end the beef with Pac and Arum for the fans sake.

Don't be selfish and petty Floyd give the people what the want....its not like you wont be receiving compensation commensurate with the risk

(I am getting the PPV however......its close to my B-day)

Good post"


Remember a few months ago when Floyd promised something big in May. Well, I think that was challenging Cotto for the Middleweight title.

Mind you, Cotto will have options. He is circumventing the Cold War and network war very wisely at the moment. He is in a strong position of leverage. He is a huge name who holds the Middleweight Championship of the World. Both Canelo and Mayweather need name opponents and well there is none bigger available at the moment than Cotto. Thus, Cotto can call the shots.

I think Showtime knows in the final two fights of the contract they must do something big. Plus, if Canelo fights next on HBO there will be some revenge motivation. I think they go all out to get Cotto for Mayweather in May.

Keep a close eye on how this develops. If Cotto Promotions say starts getting some Sho Box dates at the end of the year or beginning of next year, that would be strong indication that something is in the works.

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oubobcat:

Here is what I am starting to think is going on...

Haymon never had any intention of matching Quillin with Korobov. He figured Top Rank would win the purse bid with not a huge offer and he'd weasel his way out of this fight for Quillin stating the money is not sufficient. Then, with pressure from Showtime, finally match Quillin and Jacobs in Brooklyn and wrangle a few extra bucks out of Showtime for the fight stating that he could always go the Korobov direction (though he never intended, just leave it out there as a negotiating ploy). Showtime, wanting to make the fight and not risk Quillin losing beforehand, caves to Haymon and gives each fighter a very substantial payday.

The problem...Roc Nation throws a wrench in the plans with a massive offer for the fight and seven figure guarantee for Quillin.

Now, Haymon is not sure what to do or how to advise his fighter. This is why he just asked the WBO for a 2nd extension today. He may even be going to Showtime and telling them right now that they must pony up now for Quillin-Jacobs or that bout will be on the backburner for awhile. He will tell them it is a backyard rivalry and can be made down the line and still be significant.

If my theory is correct, Haymon needs the extension to keep pressure on Showtime. If that massive payday is suddenly off the table, then Haymon loses his leverage.

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out in the next few days...

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brownsugar:

Floyd needs to either....give back (SRL the most exciting boxer I've ever seen didn't go on Ppv for every fight)

Floyd also needs to .....give us an opponent we can't refuse. I think GGG is too big and too good. But why not try to take Cotto's belt at 160 or end the beef with Pac and Arum for the fans sake.

Don't be selfish and petty Floyd give the people what the want....its not like you wont be receiving compensation commensurate with the risk

(I am getting the PPV however......its close to my B-day)

Good post

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Skibbz:

If they want to fight with spears then Floyd will invariably come off the better. No, I believe it was a poor attempt to throw Mayweather off the scent, they will do what worked for several rounds last time but this time be more conservative in their approach at times and allowing themselves to dominate with their style a greater number of rounds. Floyd is leagues ahead of Maidana in ability to throw straight punches, that is evident to all who know both fighters.

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Skibbz:

"Great article as usual ! I have talked to people who are not boxing fans who think that being a boxer automatically makes them stupid and I can't explain to them that it would be impossible to be successful in the sport without being very smart ! Or maybe they just refuse to listen ! Anyone who thinks poor reading ability must have something to do with intelligence isn't thinking very well themselves !"

Perfectly right, as that's why we have verbal and non-verbal reasoning tests as well as abstract reasoning tests. Contrary to the beliefs of those who have mocked Floyd, someone has to be taught to read. You are not born a reader. Floyd as a child was winning Senior Golden Gloves before the age of 16. That implies he spent more time in the gym rather than the classroom and so was taught more about how to fight than how to read.

Good article.

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Froggy:

deepwater2 said why not lower the price to $49.99 ? My sentiments exactly, they might make more money even, instead of always charging as much as they think the consumer can bear ! I doubt if I ever pay to watch Mayweather again, because I doubt he will fight Manny ! Most everyone has Floyd as the P4P #1 boxer, if there was a top ten list for the most exciting boxers, would he even be on it ?

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oubobcat:

I agree the PPV numbers will not be that great. I see them actually coming in lower than the first fight.

Why? Well boxing die hards of course will buy. But the more casual fight fans who is more leery of purchasing I think will pass more on this than the first fight. They know Mayweather and his history in rematches. They also know Mayweather took control in the 2nd half of the fight. The thought being Mayweather will probably box smart and dominate this fight like he did the 2nd half of the first fight so why should I pay to see that.

Also, the price tag is too high and will scare fans off. Think about it...$75 to watch say Mayweather-Pacquaio someone can justify. That is still a dream fight and a fascinating matchup. But $75 for Mayweather-Maidana II when the first time around Mayweather won but not as convincingly as most other fights and that is the selling point here. Its a tough sell.

And the undercard is lousy. Miguel Vazquez-Mickey Bey might be one of the worst matchups on a PPV undercard since Miguel Vazquez-Mercito Gesta. We also get in addition to that Alfredo Angulo who looked totally shopworn his last time out and Leo Santa Cruz in an Al Haymon specialty showcase fight.

Keep in mind too in the states the MLB playoff races are heating up with some key games that Saturday night and college football is in full swing. There are much other cheaper alternatives for sports fans that night than plunking over $75 buck for a Mayweather fight. The numbers will not be good.

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Froggy:

Great article as usual ! I have talked to people who are not boxing fans who think that being a boxer automatically makes them stupid and I can't explain to them that it would be impossible to be successful in the sport without being very smart ! Or maybe they just refuse to listen ! Anyone who thinks poor reading ability must have something to do with intelligence isn't thinking very well themselves !

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Radam G:

"If Floyd packs on the pounds in muscle, it's going to slow him and down and negatively affect his style. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Floyd is too smart for Ariza's jive."

Ariza is a sideshow around Money May to create an optical illusion of change. Money May ain't changing Jack. And he will climb up a hill to slap a big-booty Ms Jackson -- I mean Jill -- for aborting his twin sons.

This byyyytchhhhh Lil' Floyd still shows off with stacks of Benjamins when the rest of the ballers, big-money spenders, shot callers used plastic gold cards, ATM cards and signatures of credit.

Nobody has to or need to carry a thousand or two Benjamins around with him except a sideshow drum major who desires to draw slow thinkers, the naive, freaks, the curious and trained and quasi behaviorists to his sideshow. Hehehe!

Money May does a good job. He got all of our arses. Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

"Is it just me or does Jay Love always looks sickly at his weigh-ins?



No Ellerbe looks like the one who just cut weight poorly"




Didn't Arias just test positive for something a few weeks ago?

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Carmine Cas:

"During All-Access one of the things Garcia told Maidana was,

"Throw a lot of punches, but don't get too close so that you can throw the straight right hand."

Controlling the distance is one of the most important things you can do in a fight. The fighter who keeps the fight where he wants it wins the fight on overwhelming amount of the time. Needless to say, Floyd is a master of it. I showed some clips on it during a film study for the rematch

Mayweather vs Maidana Film Study

The thing is even though Garcia is giving Maidana the correct instructions, that doesn't mean he's going to be able to execute it against Mayweather come fight night. Floyd has every advantage; footwork, footspeed, handspeed, defensive ability, ability to adapt etc. Now on top of all that Mayweather has decided to work with Ariza. Guaranteed he comes in to this fight with more muscle than we've ever seen him with before. I think Floyd's ego is pushing him to go for the stoppage on this one."


If Floyd packs on the pounds in muscle, it's going to slow him and down and negatively affect his style. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Floyd is too smart for Ariza's jive.

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Carmine Cas:

"Quillen is a paper champion.....its a matter of time till he is forgotten"



It's a matter of time before a solid fighter catches him with an overhand right and puts him to sleep.

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oubobcat:

I pulled up some youtube videos on Ortiz. Not a bad fighter but I think the Commish is correct in stating that Matthysse is a cut above.

Ortiz is not a bad puncher but not the puncher his record indicates. If he finds a way to land flush though, he could do so damage.

I noticed a couple things about Ortiz that Haymon's people probably also saw. He is easy to hit. There is zero head movement and he squares up a lot to his opponents. In addition, he has a habit of throwing a lazy jab out and bringing it back to his hip inviting right hand counters. And Ortiz has been on the canvas before.

Ortiz also cuts very easily. The few videos I saw of him there was blood. And he does come straight forward in often leading with his head and has been involved with a lot of head clashes. So this could be somewhat bloody if the fight goes any sort of distance.

I like Matthysse by relatively early KO in this one.

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oubobcat:

"Let's hope Taylor puts some good effort in on this fight.. When the chips aren't with Broner he doesn't do well.."

Taylor is not a bad fighter. His problem in the ring is not talent or skill but instead is that he doesn't fight in a manner to maximize his abilities. His talent gets him through the C level fighters with no problem or those that are past their prime (Karim Mayfield for example) but has issues when he steps up to the B and A level.

If Taylor puts it altogether, he could give Broner a decent run for his money. But if Taylor lets Broner dictate like let Algieri do in February, Broner will have an easy time of it. What I mean by dictate is that Taylor follows Broner around the ring not cutting it off and puts the ear muffs on way to much while hesitating to let his hands go. If Taylor fights in that manner, well Broner could have a walk in the park. But if Taylor can cut the ring down some, work behind the jab consistently and not hesitate to let combinations off, we could end up seeing a decent scrap here on Saturday.

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The Commish:

Lucas Matthysse is a cut above what Senor Ortiz is used to facing. Those 24 knockouts in 31 bouts makes him seem like a big puncher, but the fact is, many of those KO's--especially the ones early in his career--came against opponents who had very little experience and/or ability.

Lucas should win this, probably by stoppage. It will be interesting, however, to see if Ortiz is as good as his record indicates he is. Just because he hasn't beaten a list of the division's "Who's Who" doesn't mean he can't win this weekend.

This should be an entertaining fight.

-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

This is going to be a cracker and, the stage has been set up and the tickets sold out. Frampton by TKO stoppage for me! He's in the shape of his life ready for the biggest fight of his life and will put a beating on Martinez, again!

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Skibbz:

Let's hope Taylor puts some good effort in on this fight.. When the chips aren't with Broner he doesn't do well..

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Skibbz:

If Broner sticks around at 140 he's going to have to fight Mattyhsse, Provodnikov, Postol and a host of other top level contenders in the division. This should be a good fight, if Matthysse's last fight is anything to go by.

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The Commish:

QUOTE=flackoguapo;62656]Thank you for the mention in another post Bsuge. I do not know what being MOD entails so I chose to stay in the background when I saw my name. I know that most that post on here are laid back but I did not want to step on any toes by jumping into something with no regard. Thank you for coming in short notice and I always enjoy picturing what you usually say in such a vivid way."

First, we all thank you, B-Sug, for stepping up at the last moment to become the latest MODerator.

Secondly, to flackoguapo, you say you don't know what being the MODerator entails. Easy. You must have a passion, understanding, knowledge and even love for boxing. As this is a boxing--and no other sport--site and you're here, you most likely are the same kind of boxing junkie we all are. You've also called into my show. I've heard youre passion. You'd fit perfectly down the road as a MOD.

Another requirement is reading. You must be able to read (uh-oh!...here come the $$$May jokes!!!). Then, you must be able to spend a bit of time (anywhere from 24 minutes to 24 hours per day) reading through each of the posts and creating Threads (topics) for the readers to ponder over and post on.

That's really all it takes. Plus, you receive remuneration for your two weeks as MOD. Nobody around here doesn't love remuneration!!!

So, after B-Sug leads this boxing-junkie ensemble for the next two weeks, maybeit'll be you, flacko, who takes the baton from him.

Like a fighter who has passed through the fours, sixes and eights, you are now a main eventer. You have paid your dues.

You are ready!

Just watch B-Sug in action.

Now, away we go on two weeks of journalistic fistic fun!

-Randy G

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stormcentre:

Here it is . . . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5sSt4sPUB8

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stormcentre:

WTF . . all that talk and JLL runs for 3 rounds and then drops his right hand when in the corner and not gassed.

Far out man.

I try not to laugh at a guy that tries and loses out.

But there are some really, less than spectacular thoughts and moves there.

Not sure what else to say.

Not sure what Floyd would think of that, coming from TMT gym and all that.

Come on man, JLL was thinking defence so much he wasn’t even in range when throwing; he was pulling back that conscientiously.

There's a vid of JLL sparring Dirrell on the InterWeb and that gives a pretty good example of the JLL dudes potential.

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stormcentre:

I would like to see either Rios V Cotto or Rios V Thurman.

So long as some gets knocked out.

:)

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the Roast:

Rios has no business calling out Cotto.

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oubobcat:

I would be for a Cotto-Rios clash. In all honesty, its a better fight than the Andy Lee fight that's on the table now for Cotto. Lee was getting beaten in his last fight until he scored that one punch KO.

Rios would bring it and make this one entertaining fight. Ultimately, I think Cotto would break him down round by round but it would sure be fun while it lasts. Hope this one can get done.

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brownsugar:

"I don't think this fight is even realistic . Did Rios actually say this?

Even if Rios did say this Cotto is not doing a lower catch weight. He is a middleweight / Jr. Middleweight and probably will never go down below 154 ever again( maybe for 20 million or more to rematch Floyd in a super fight)

Styles make fights and Rios doesn't bring much to the table lately because he was losing to Chaves in a horrible fight and got shutout in the worst possible way against Pac, because he didn't even let his hands go one time. What will he throw against Cotto?

Andy Lee is a 6 ft 1 middleweight who just got a knockout of the year nomination. He is Irish and even though he is a big under dog, his Irish fans will help Madison Square Garden sell out. Cotto is allowed one easier type of fight after his destruction of Sergio M. And Lee will let his hands go and make an exciting fight. Cotto vs Lee at MSG is the biggest $$$ fight without Cotto taking on a champion.

Adam Booth ,Lee's trainer , is on the internet saying that the rumors of Quillin vs Lee are false. In boxing translation that means thAH might actually be negotiating that fight. Would Quiilin drop his belt and try to set up a Danny Jacobs match in a battle of BK instead of losing to Kovalev and thAH losing his leverage in the division?"


Have to agree .... A fight with Rios only tarnishes Cotto's career.

Hayman loves belts ...he'd rather his fighters lose their belts in the ring rather than be stripped by the alphabet sanctioning entity outside of the ring.

At least if they lose everyone gets paid and the show goes on.
If his fighters win ....then Hayman uses the belt like a platinum bargaining chip.
Less than 3 or 4 boxers in the world have the clout to ditch titles and ignore mandatories with impunity.

Peter Quillen isn't one of them. But I don't think Quillin came this far to leave his title in the hands of other fighters uncontested.

Both Quillin and Cotto should be wary of Lee.(should they meet)
Lee is probably the nastiest spoiler in the middleweight division.

Rios sounds as desperate as Shannon Briggs who ate food off another mans plate in order to gain attention.

Let Rios fight Thurman and earn a shot.

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oubobcat:

I just read this and am flabbergasted to say the least. What are Quillin and Haymon waiting for? Who else right now can Quillin fight making 1.2 million? What is going on here?

I would be stunned if Quillin doesn't end up signing by Wednesday. Then again, who knows what Haymon could be plotting and what could be going on behind the scenes at the moment.

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deepwater2:

"Michael Spinks fought Dewight Quawi Muhammed just 2 months after his 24 year old wife was tragically killed in an automobile accident in 1984.
Spinks daughter asked him 2 weeks before the fight if her mommy was going to show up at the fight.
Its said that Spinks broke down into a sobbing heaving mess as the realization of what he had lost hit him like a ton a bricks.

Still ....Michael pulled it together and kept his win streak alive to win a 15 round decision over a very tough and competitive challenger.

Quillen would do well to make note of Spinks example ... There will be plenty of time to vaction after the fight and 1.4 million reasons to enjoy it."

Quillin should of been in the waiting room handing out cigars to family and friends with one hand and on a cell phone in the other hand,telling Watson to courier that contract over right now so he can sign it and get the biggest payday of his career and a chance to earn respect and recognition by beating a live man. He is the weakest middleweight champion in boxing today. This fight will earn him accolades and big money.

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oubobcat:

I thought Love lost to Rosado and Periban. I never thought he was elite talent as he was being built up as.

But that said, no way did I think Medina would spring this upset. I actually thought if there was an upset possible on this card it would be on the Badou Jack-Jason Escalera fight. Of course, that turned out to be one sided for Jack.

Love and Medina kind of felt each other out in the first and then in the 2nd Medina's pressure started to get to Love. You could see the pressure having an impact on Love and it was smart pressure in that Medina was easily cutting the ring off. And that pressure helped trap Love in the corner in the third to set up that left hook that flattened Love.

In boxing, there are knockouts that you can come back from and knock outs that are very tough to come back from. Badou Jack for example appears to have been caught cold in his KO loss six months ago. That is a KO loss that can be come back from. Love, though, was broken down mentally by the pressure and absolutely drilled with a left hook in the 3rd round that left him out of it. This will be a KO loss that will be very difficult to come back from for Love in my opinion.

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brownsugar:

"You know it! Floyd knows he could be dethroned by Maidana so he wants to know everything that went on in the Maidana camp. Alex Ariza is shady, seems like he can't get along with anyone. Wait until he gets turned off by Floyd's arrogance and self centered ways, then he'll spill the beans on Floyd."



There is a saying in the bible, "be either hot or cold or I will spew you out of my mouth"

There is nothing lukewarm about your feelings for Ariza (and Floyd).

Welcome to the TSS Deniese Alvarez.

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