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Skibbz:

A quick flip of the script. Shumenov wins, spectacular fashion.

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The Good Doctor:

"Manny is the one who left the negotiating table...twice.

So thank both of them."


Absolutely agree. I am beginning to wonder with all the money to be made, with the potential legacy to be gained, and with all the additional things that winning their fight would have brought, if either of them ever really wanted to fight.

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The Shadow:

"its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight .."

Manny is the one who left the negotiating table...twice.

So thank both of them.

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Radam G:

"Certainly the fact that he's Italian doesn't hurt him, but have you ever looked at his resume? He fought everybody. Look who he defeated to win the world title. And check how many times he fought that monster. His record contains the equivalent of fighting Manny Pacquiao four times, Paul Williams three times, Antonio Margarito three times, Oscar De La Hoya twice and on and on it goes.



It took him forever to get a title opportunity, and I remember he said that night he won it he felt he could have defeated a heavyweight.



Arn, I love guys who find ways to win, especially when they're not supposed to. And I don't have any particular problems with 'boring' fighters, although I would not consider JG boring."




I'm with DDV on this one. JG was not boring because he could not punch. Holla at Kid Gavilan. The Cuban Hawk had on 28 kayos -- mostly TKOs -- in 143 recorded professional bouts.



I believe -- from eyewitnesses reports and film -- that KG was a survival of fame because he was a smart bitter. He bit that famous Bolo punch off my late, great Tio Celly. Most of todays fan and fanfaronads don't even know who first made that Bolo punch famous and the origrin of it.



I gotta go! Holla!

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Radam G:

B-Hop is my pick. Outta Shumenov, B-Hop is gonna make a pathetic prick.



I predict that Shumenov loses his cool. And B-Hop takes him to old skool. And treat him like _____ and metaphorically flush him down the toilet stool.



B-Hop is doing what a few oldtimers and now deadtimers did. The only difference is that we know B-Hop actual, verified age. He has already won the first six rounds. Holla!

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Radam G:

"its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight .."

Lil' Floyd did what was best for his career in regards to prizefighting. If the fight would've taking place five years ago, he would probably be punchy, broke and outta da game.



By not fighting Da Manny, he prolonged his career and his PHAT purses. Dude is smart. No cause or wants of anyone that doesn't do da darn thang can tell Money May when or who to fight.



Thus, he is still around making da big dough and fighting the no-chance-in-hell-of-winning dopes, jokes and no hopes. Holla!

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kidcanvas:

its so far past its fresh date that anyone whod think it be the fight of 5 yrs ago is hallucinating, right now it wouldnt mean a damn thing or prove anything... thx floyd for ruining what could of been one great fight ..

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kidcanvas:

the man beat one of the best fighters in the world if not the best, considering his opposition, so that he did it easy really should be the story

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oubobcat:

I like Quillin by mid-round stoppage in a fight he is completely dominant in against Konecny.

I think Shawn Porter will dominate Paulie Malignaggi. Malignaggi may have some success early (I mean early) but once Porter gets in a rhythm I expect him to take over the fight. Yes Malignaggi has more experience but Porter is the younger stronger fighter. A much slower Pablo Cano pushed Malignaggi around a couple years ago and I expect Porter to do so even more. Remember too Porter came down from Junior Middleweight about four years ago. He is a strong Welterweight and well Malignaggi does not move like he use to do. Porter is going to keep coming and keep getting work done on the inside. I expect him to win a very lopsided unanimous decision.

The Hopkins-Shumenov fight will be more competitive than most think I feel. Shumenov can fight and is better than Murat and Cloud. I look for Hopkins to once again try to out guile his opponent, pot shot and attempt to steal rounds in the last 30 seconds. I see them being fairly even on the punches landed but Hopkins is a master of opening the round strong and finishing strong which will leave an impression on the judges. In the end, Hopkins edges out a close decision.

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oubobcat:

Not to take anything away from Salka, who stuck to a very smart game plan, but I always thought Collado was over-hyped. This is also an example of why it does the fighter a disservice to feed them so many soft touches to start a career. Collado had things go his way with relative ease in his first 18 fights and not only did he not learn anything but he also developed some very bad habits. His technique was horrible but he was allowed to get away with that in the past. The looping right hand he threw for example might have landed on an inferior foe and even knocked them out but not on a schooled fighter such as Salka.

As for Salka, I really consider this his second big win in a row. I thought he clearly deserved the decision back in December against Alvarez. He can expose fighters, such as Alvarez and Collado, who have major flaws in their game. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at a bigger fight and think he has earned that opportunity.

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amayseng:

"What, no pendulum graghics?"



haha



i laughed out loud..

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The Commish:

Great stuff, Arne. I have found myself digging into my archives to find out more about Joe Gans...more about Battling Nelson...and more about their series of fights.

As for me, the one guy I would love to meet more than anybody if I could take a Time Machine back would be Jack Johnson. I'd love to talk to him, interview him, train with him, run with him and simply sit back and marvel at this phenomenal athletic specimen.

-Randy G.

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dino da vinci:

Certainly the fact that he's Italian doesn't hurt him, but have you ever looked at his resume? He fought everybody. Look who he defeated to win the world title. And check how many times he fought that monster. His record contains the equivalent of fighting Manny Pacquiao four times, Paul Williams three times, Antonio Margarito three times, Oscar De La Hoya twice and on and on it goes.

It took him forever to get a title opportunity, and I remember he said that night he won it he felt he could have defeated a heavyweight.

Arn, I love guys who find ways to win, especially when they're not supposed to. And I don't have any particular problems with 'boring' fighters, although I would not consider JG boring.

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The Commish:

Shadow, your first linesaid it best: "You have to be tactful in your approach."

I can just imagine what the response would be from a trainer who gets a message from a fan which, in effect, says, "ZYou guys are missing something. Why don't you hire me so I can work with the fighter and eventually push you out."

We all have to start somewhere. Usually, that start is at the bottom. Go to the local boxing gyms. Work out there or just sit back and observe. Don't step on any toes. Don't correct another trainer. Don't be pushy. Keep your eyes open. Keep your ears open. Keep your mouth shut. Eventually, you'll become part of the fabric of that gym. This is especially true in boxing gyms, which are limited in their numbers.

As far as getting in touch with these guys almost immediately, go on Facebook. You will be surprised how many boxing personalities have FB accounts. It doesn't mean they will immediately (or ever) answer a private message from you. But it's worth the try.

Good luck in your efforts.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

What if -- what IF -- Lomachenko loses?

Will they change his record to 7-2? Or will he be 1-2? And if he's now 1-2, where does he go from there? Is it back of the lie, start over and fight 10 stiffs to get back in line and propo up his record a bit?

I think that's something worth considering. What do you guys think?

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The Shadow:

"Thanks for the advice. I will send an email to:
a. the gym that Vasyl trained at for the Salido fight
b. Oxnard Gym - hell I'll even send a copy of the email to guys like Pelos Garcia lool
c. the websites and emails they provide.
d. Somehow get in touch with Joey Gamache..no idea how yet lol

The problem is, it'll be a long email, and they have to be able to 'buy-in' to me first, they can't think I'm just any fan who doesn't really know much and is delusional etc. looool

I understand all of the fine details that Lomachenko has to improve for the future, I haven't broken down the Gary Russell Jr fight yet but I will soon. I dont think theres any point of writing down a completely intricate breakdown if it's not going to be seen by Team Lomachenko."


You have to be very tactful in your approach. You say you have analyzed 40 of his fights. His team has analyzed ALL of his fights, plus they watch him day in and day out.

Remember, this is what they do. Also, from my understanding, the head coach is responsible for strategy and there's a process to get to that stage.

So if you claim to have the secret to improving him x amount of percent -- and you very well may have the secret -- they might take offense to that. Even if you did have the key and shared it with them, it's hard to imagine they would give you credit for it.

Your emails might even get dismissed as well. Keep in mind, you're probably not the first fan that reaches out to them with strategy advice. They tend to ignore it. At least in other sports they do.

(Keep in mind, everybody and their mama as trying to advice Canelo on how to beat Floyd. Even Roberto friggin Duran! And Canelo dismissed his a$$, saying he appreciated it but didn't need it.)

However, to build some credibility, maybe start doing some breakdown a la Mister Lee Wylie to demonstrate a keen analytical eye so you at least have something to send them for reference. I doubt they will read a long email from a stranger.

Get a nice little following and then they might take you seriously or at least look at it, dismiss it, and then use it privately.

That said, nothing is impossible. If you go track them down in person and do a HELLUVA sales job, who knows?

I definitely think it can be done. But you have to be mindful of how it comes across to them.

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ArneK.:

Thanks for chiming in, Randy. I do have to correct you on one point, however. The attendance was hardly five times the population of the town, not in 1906. The details of antiquarian fights tend to get exaggerated over time, especially fights in the old west.

According to the 2010 census, the current population of Goldfield is 268. Some of my friends that have driven through there are amazed that a place this small, and this remote, could have hosted an internationally important sporting event.

What made the event possible was the invention of the Pullman car. As was also true of a dining car, a Pullman car could be unhitched from the train and then sit on a side track, becoming a temporary motel.

As for those that couldn't afford to upgrade to a Pullman car, or couldn't afford to stay in the town's three-story hotel, they slept wherever they could: on bunk beds set up in the schoolhouse, on rooftops, on cots set up on the porches of private homes, wherever.

I'm guessing that if I had been credentialed to cover the fight, I would have arrived to discover that I was lodged with the "auxiliary press" -- in the schoolhouse.

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The Commish:

I used to detest ground and pound, but I now love watching it in the hope that a well-trained referee is in there to put an end to the fight the moment he deems a fighter's health at risk. The two things I have fought to keep out of MMA in the United States is the "12 to 6" elbow (which is like slamming a hammer into someone's face!) and soccer-style kicks to the head of a downed opponent.

Otherwise, where I once cringed at the sport, I now thoroughly enjoy it.

On another note, there is one guy in the UFC I would love to turn into a pure boxer--Frankie Edgar. He has hand speed, foot speed, outstanding upper body movement, great defense and a gas tank which never approaches empty. He also has a heart as big as his home state ofr New Jersey.

Do it, Frankie. Become a boxer. I guarantee you will make more money than you earn in MMA.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Love those historical stories. Funny, I remember being bored to tears in high school when we discussed "The Renaissance" and "The French Revolution" and the "Byzantine Empire" (though I force-fed myself to digest all of it!). However, from the moment I learned about James J. Jeffries and Joe Gans and Battling Nelson and Jack Johnson and Bob Fitzsimmons, I was hooked.

Having been extensively throughout Nevada, I can picture "Tex" Rickard convincing those around him to put the Nelson-Gans fight in the middle of a steaming desert in early September--and actually drawing a crowd which was over five times as large as the population of the city itself.

No sport has the history and stories which boxing does.

It's nice and even important to learn about the Renaissance and the French Revolution and the Byzantine Empire. But for me, there are few things better than talking about, learning about and listening to stories about boxing--from any era.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"Definitely so, but ironically, that only seems to strengthen the grip of some traditional formats - such as in soccer. 90 minutes games can easily be prolonged to 120 + penalties in cup competitions, and the audiences - worldwide, in the billions - just love it. When AIK and Djurgarden play in Stockholm, in a league that is ranked about no 25 in Europe, the stands are packed with 35 000 spectators, and chaos reigns. The quality of the game is mostly lousy, sometimes beyond the bearable, and people still love it. Its like a semi-religious ritual in which the spectators not only salute their teams and the love of the game, but also of all the games that ever have been played - and hence function as a sociologicial glue in a wider perspective.

That is what MMA is missing, and that is what MMA is trying to get: both history and a position in contemporary society. Boxing has always been considered the real deal, so anyone/anything trying to portray itself as the real deal has to, symbolically, kill its foremost competitor. Its not the boxing world that is obsessed with comparisons with MMA; its the other way around. Well, let them. 10-15 years ago, it was K1. 20-25 years ago, there was the ninjas. 30-35 years ago, we had karate, and before that: kung-fu. The trends have come, the trends have gone, and boxing is still here.

No, MMA is far from competing with boxing on a global level. In reality, its just big in clusters of the northern hemisphere, and mainly among the white middleclass. Sure, mainstream media in Sweden is also covering MMA way more than they are boxing. Its no coincidence. Our MMA stars are mostly white dudes who in looks and names reminds the reporters of themselves. Our boxers are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, with different names and colours, and from areas of our cities where no reporters wanna go. They get no coverage, but they exist - and they follow boxing in numbers that aren't analyzed but are very real."


Absolutely right all around. I know that for a fact. My brother in law who grew up in a rough side of Malm is the multiple-time Nordic heavyweight champion and he's black. Kinda looks like Ali, actually.

But that guy who just fought Jon Jones, he's of the different demographic, so you're right, they do exist.

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The Commish:

I am with Domenic on a "sleepy decision" by Hopkins, with him employing every trick--and then some--against Beibut Shumenov.

I will go with Shawn Porter to win a close decision in a fast-paced bout against the "Magic Man."

Peter "Kid Chocolate" Quillin will look sensational in stopping veteran Lukas Konecny in the seventh round.

-Randy G.

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Domenic:

I don't know squat about Shumenov other than he's had a Davey Moore-like run through the pro ranks so far (with a decorated amateur career). Hopkins won't do what Duran did to Moore, or Trinidad to Reid, but I'm guessing Hopkins strolls to a sleepy decision win. I'm going with the crafty vet Paulie to prevail by close decision.

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Domenic:

"Deepwater: You know I am a Deontay Wilder guy...always have been. Putting a story together on him which I will put up here. I keep putting off the story until he gets closer to a title shot, which will be against the winner of Cris "The Nipple" Arreola & Bermane Stiverne.

Perhaps I overrate him. Perhaps you underrate him. I guess only time will tell.

I just know the fight I would like to see is Wilder v Arreola.

You just know somebody is going to sleep!

-Randy G."


I'm with you 100% Randy. I'm pulling for Cris big-time to avenge his loss to Stiverne, and thus get to Wilder-Arreola, which is a very compelling fight/attraction, with the winner getting a shot at WK. However, I'm not as confident as the consensus here in Arreola walking through this guy. In fact, I think Stiverne will win again, but I sincerely hope I'm wrong. As a fan of heavyweight boxing, being on the brink of a mini-resurgence is exciting, to say the least.

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The Commish:

Deepwater: You know I am a Deontay Wilder guy...always have been. Putting a story together on him which I will put up here. I keep putting off the story until he gets closer to a title shot, which will be against the winner of Cris "The Nipple" Arreola & Bermane Stiverne.

Perhaps I overrate him. Perhaps you underrate him. I guess only time will tell.

I just know the fight I would like to see is Wilder v Arreola.

You just know somebody is going to sleep!

-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"The problem with MMA is that the talent is watered down.

I would venture out to say that 9/10 fighters are wrestlers who train mitts for a year, BJJ for another and
learn some muy tai in the process.

Boxers are masters of one discipline, the sweet science while most mma'ers are a master of none.

now, there are some guys who are legit BJJ disciples, or have studied an art their whole lives, but mainly most fighters are a mixed bag to be well rounded. Well that is good in all but you are getting competitive less quality fights between two guys who have spent most their lives wrestling and trying to include some stand up fighting, which ultimately leads to the ground, which becomes extraordinary boring for me. If a BJJ move is not locked in 20 seconds I am bored. I have studied and trained BJJ just to educate myself and I understand the importance of it, but still it is boring to watch when guys are laying on each other round after round.

In boxing you have guys like Floyd who have been boxing since they were 6, or GGG who has 300 amateur fights. Or Pac who has been pro since like what 16? Or Hopkins who has mastered the strength of boxing IQ to sustain not only a high level of boxing ability but remains a champion beating good young opponents and champions at the crazy age of 49. There could never be a champion in the UFC at 49.

To me boxing is superior because you are getting a master in his profession compared to most mma guys who are athletic wrestlers..

One thing Dana does correctly though is match competitive fights. Usually in his PPV's you get 6 bouts with about 3 being pretty exciting with back and forth, less skilled stand fighting.

I love all fighting but I can't remember the last time I actually watched ufc..."


Although I agree with what you say on the whole, some mma'ers are actually masters in a martial art or two. Fedor was the world #1 in samba several times and a medallist in the Russian Judo Champs. The only time I watched any MMA it was to watch Fedor. He was a great technician with phenomenal power in both hands. He went unbeaten for almost 10 years clearing anyone and everyone who would fight him. Mr Lesnar made sure to steer well clear of him although he wouldn't admit it.


But you're right in most of what you say. Anyone else hate the ability to ground and pound in MMA?

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The Commish:

The King: It is next-to-impossible to merely call up a fighter or his manager and offer your services to them. This is boxing, my friend. No manager or trainer in his right mind would allow a total stranger to step through their doors and have access to their fighter. In this case, one of history's greatest amateur stars.

Think of being a football fan. Or a baseball fan. Do you have easy access to the players? No. The closest you can get to them is when you are in a stadium and they are on the field. Otherwise, fanas get nowhere near a player or entertainer.

Being a fan is fun, but it doesn't come with the perk of getting to know and hang with your favorite athlete/s. Try looking for them on Twitter and Facebook. Sometimes, they (or whoever runs their social media site), respond.

Good luck.

-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"Here's a science experiment, anyone who is watching the Hopkins fight tonight, judge it as if you were one of the 3 and post the results after it's over (round by round). It'll be interesting to see how wide the chasm is here. It's a Hopkins fight so it's going the distance."

Sounds good Dom. I got a feeling if it's close, Shumenov's lack of friends outside of the ring will cost him the decision anyway.

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Skibbz:

"Herrera has too much shift and gift, he'll make Peterson look like a stiff. But Ma-He might get jobbed again.

I sense that the boxing judge crooks that be are feeling Ma-He as the modern-day Emmanuel Augustus and/or Jimmy Young. They were robbed terribly during their days. Holla!"


That's a raw view of the reality, I hope it doesn't happen like that for Mauricio, but crookematics is crookamatics and there's nothing we can really do about it.

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Grimm:

"In boxing you have guys like Floyd who have been boxing since they were 6, or GGG who has 300 amateur fights. Or Pac who has been pro since like what 16? Or Hopkins who has mastered the strength of boxing IQ to sustain not only a high level of boxing ability but remains a champion beating good young opponents and champions at the crazy age of 49. There could never be a champion in the UFC at 49."

Beautiful, amayseng. I feel your love for boxing. And agree with several: the undercards in our sport are often missing that extra edge nowadays.

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amayseng:

The problem with MMA is that the talent is watered down.

I would venture out to say that 9/10 fighters are wrestlers who train mitts for a year, BJJ for another and
learn some muy tai in the process.

Boxers are masters of one discipline, the sweet science while most mma'ers are a master of none.

now, there are some guys who are legit BJJ disciples, or have studied an art their whole lives, but mainly most fighters are a mixed bag to be well rounded. Well that is good in all but you are getting competitive less quality fights between two guys who have spent most their lives wrestling and trying to include some stand up fighting, which ultimately leads to the ground, which becomes extraordinary boring for me. If a BJJ move is not locked in 20 seconds I am bored. I have studied and trained BJJ just to educate myself and I understand the importance of it, but still it is boring to watch when guys are laying on each other round after round.

In boxing you have guys like Floyd who have been boxing since they were 6, or GGG who has 300 amateur fights. Or Pac who has been pro since like what 16? Or Hopkins who has mastered the strength of boxing IQ to sustain not only a high level of boxing ability but remains a champion beating good young opponents and champions at the crazy age of 49. There could never be a champion in the UFC at 49.

To me boxing is superior because you are getting a master in his profession compared to most mma guys who are athletic wrestlers..

One thing Dana does correctly though is match competitive fights. Usually in his PPV's you get 6 bouts with about 3 being pretty exciting with back and forth, less skilled stand fighting.

I love all fighting but I can't remember the last time I actually watched ufc...

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FINAL PRESS CONFERENCE QUOTES FOR "HISTORY AT THE CAPITOL: BERNARD HOPKINS VS. BEIBUT SHUMENOV" World Championship Tripleheader This Saturday, April 19, Live on SHOWTIME® (9 p.m.ET/PT) From DC Armory In Washington, D.C. Tickets Still Available! WASHINGTON D.C. (April 17, 2014) - The fighters, including legendary future Hall of Famer Bernard "The Alien" Hopkins and Beibut Shumenov, who will compete on Saturday's eagerly awaited "History at the Capitol" world championship tripleheader on SHOWTIME®, participated in the final press...

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Rumor: Terence Crawford vs. Yuriorkis Gamboa on HBO, in June or July

You get one of those shiny straps into your possession, and we on the sidelines can try to belittle the feat, reduce that achievement and babble about the modern era of boxing's sad state of dilution. We can go that route, but the simple fact remains that a championship belt, like the one Terence Crawford holds in his possession, makes him a target for the best and brightest in and around the lightweight class. F'rinstance.... Crawford, a 26-year-old Nebraskan, boasts a 23-0 mark, and is currently harboring the WBO 135 pound crown at his...

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Boxing Odds – Shumenov vs. Hopkins Light Heavyweight Unification Bout April 19!

Bernard Hopkins is coming off an IBF Light Heavyweight title win while Beibut Shumenov is coming off a IBA Light Heavyweight and WBA Super World Light Heavyweight title and now is the time to unify all of those titles into one as Hopkins will face Shumenov for the WBA Super World Light Heavyweight, IBF Light Heavyweight, and IBA Light Heavyweight titles in a bout that will take place at the DC Armory in Washington, DC in a scheduled 12 round bout that will take place on April 19. Bernard Hopkins opened as a -250 favorite with the Boxing odds...

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Jean Pascal Working With InterBox, and Yvon Michel

JMONTREAL (April 16, 2014) -- This afternoon at La Cage aux Sports Boucherville, Groupe Yvon Michel (GYM) and InterBox announced that they had reached an agreement with Jean Pascal Promotions to ensure the services of the NABF Champion and WBC Diamond Belt light heavyweight champion Jean Pascal (29-2-1, 17 KOs), who recently defeated Lucian Bute. The multi-fight agreement was signed last Saturday between President Yvon Michel of GYM, InterBox President Jean Bédard and Chief Operating Officer (CEO) of Jean Pascal Promotions, Greg Leon. WBC...

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