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Radam G:

"Frank Lotierzo builds a good case, but I respectfully disagree. I would put Big Daddy in the HOF if only because of his great trilogy with Evander. The first fight was a classic and the 10th round just may have been the best round of boxing in any heavyweight title fight. Bowe won the first meeting and the rubber match and perhaps the middle match would have had a different outcome if not for the surreal 21-minute intermission. Although Bowe was losing both skirmishes vs. the Foul Pole, his defeat in Bowe-Holyfield II remains officially the only blemish on his ledger.



What an interesting tribe that was -- Bowe, Rock Newman, Papa Smurf, and on the periphery such characters as the "nutritionist/activist" Dick Gregory. Some would argue that Rock Newman didn't get maximum mileage from Big Daddy, but I would strongly disagree. Eddie Futch didn't come cheap and there wasn't another trainer in the world who was a better fit for Bowe. Taking Bowe to New Orleans to be conditioned by the brilliant "sports performance enhancer" Mackie Shilstone was a stroke of genius.



When I first sat through a pre-fight press conference with Bowe and Newman on the podium, I thought to myself "these guys are the reincarnation of Jack Dempsey and Doc Kearns." The bombastic Kearns liked to do all the talking; Dempsey was a wallflower until he shed his hot-tempered manager. Likewise, Riddick Bowe was nothing more than a bump on a log, letting Newman do all the talking. The Rock told us how great his fighter was and carried on about issues important to him like racial injustice.



I found Rock Newman to be a windbag (I'd be interested in what The Commish thinks). Go to Newman's web site, which is straight out of the Don King school of self-promotion, and you will learn that Rock is compassionate, inspired, universally recognized, a power broker, and a visionary. Whew. Pardon me while I genuflect. But the man was a great talker and certainly colorful and it was fun to be in the same room with him."




Nice copy! And, YUP! Rock-New was one crazy, dazy mofu. Hehehe! He makes trainer Tim Lane look normal. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Frank Lotierzo builds a good case, but I respectfully disagree. I would put Big Daddy in the HOF if only because of his great trilogy with Evander. The first fight was a classic and the 10th round just may have been the best round of boxing in any heavyweight title fight. Bowe won the first meeting and the rubber match and perhaps the middle match would have had a different outcome if not for the surreal 21-minute intermission. Although Bowe was losing both skirmishes vs. the Foul Pole, his defeat in Bowe-Holyfield II remains officially the only blemish on his ledger.

What an interesting tribe that was -- Bowe, Rock Newman, Papa Smurf, and on the periphery such characters as the "nutritionist/activist" Dick Gregory. Some would argue that Rock Newman didn't get maximum mileage from Big Daddy, but I would strongly disagree. Eddie Futch didn't come cheap and there wasn't another trainer in the world who was a better fit for Bowe. Taking Bowe to New Orleans to be conditioned by the brilliant "sports performance enhancer" Mackie Shilstone was a stroke of genius.

When I first sat through a pre-fight press conference with Bowe and Newman on the podium, I thought to myself "these guys are the reincarnation of Jack Dempsey and Doc Kearns." The bombastic Kearns liked to do all the talking; Dempsey was a wallflower until he shed his hot-tempered manager. Likewise, Riddick Bowe was nothing more than a bump on a log, letting Newman do all the talking. The Rock told us how great his fighter was and carried on about issues important to him like racial injustice.

I found Rock Newman to be a windbag (I'd be interested in what The Commish thinks). Go to Newman's web site, which is straight out of the Don King school of self-promotion, and you will learn that Rock is compassionate, inspired, universally recognized, a power broker, and a visionary. Whew. Pardon me while I genuflect. But the man was a great talker and certainly colorful and it was fun to be in the same room with him.

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amayseng:

Kovalev beats Pascal like a red headed step child.

Pascal is a spurt fighter with poor stamina.

Kovalev is a machine grinding nonstop.

It will be mid fight stoppage.

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Froggy:

I might be wrong, but I never thought Adonis was to blame for the Kovalev fight not happening ! I am pretty sure Kovalev is going to have much, much more trouble against Pascal than he had against B-Hop ! I hope Stevenson and Kovalev meet in 2015, I think it would be a great fight ! My brain gives Kovalev the edge, but Adonis is a fellow Canadian so that's who I will be rooting for, hope it happens !

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dino da vinci:

@The Good Doctor. Exactly. Otherwise, all you have to do is look at an ATG's record, and look for the least talented guy to have upset him.

As a side note, really like the work that Robert Garcia has done with MM. and it goes to show you that in boxing your stock can go through the roof coming off a pair of quality setbacks. Very much looking forward to Maidana's next outing.

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Radam G:

Wow! It is about time that he came on board and condemned the misfits -- a bunch of fake-arse subverts, reverts, converts and perverts.



But Amir would've look a lot better of a Muslim if he would come out a long tine ago and condemned the beheadings of Christians, Jews and Sufi and Shite Musims, suicide attacks and the sex-slave kidnappings of non-Muslims -- men, women and children. Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

I think Khan getting knocked out by Thurman is inevitable if they were to fight. Thurman is quick enough to find Khan's chin, and when he does his fists will cause Khan's chin to detonate. KABOOM!

But I haven't see Thurman's last two fights. Has he fixed some of his technical flaws? Such as pushing the jab or overextending on the right hand? All which can be fixed but things Khan get capitalize on.

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The Good Doctor:

I am taking the tact of fantasy matchups:

Paul Williams-Roberto Duran@Welterweight: I am not saying that Williams would have beaten him but 147 Williams had a great chin, threw as many as 1300 punches in a fight, and could bring some heat. Duran would be there to be hit because he was stylistically a come forward fighter. I'd take Duran in maybe a UD12 or maybe a late KO but because of Williams volume punching style he would find some success

Randall Bailey/Marcos Maidana-Trinidad. Trinidad would box their ears off but Trinidad used a heavy dose of left hands through hooks, uppercuts, and jabs. Randall Bailey throws a high arching right bomb and so does Maidana. They would land some shots and find some success due to the fact they would be throwing directly over the left.

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riverside:

The Garcia fight theory of the judges was My boy didn't do enough to beat the champion? the closer scoring rounds went to the champion according to the judges in March, using the ideolgy, why was it not implemented during the benavidez fight. Benavidez was on the ropes the majority of the time, Ben claims he wanted to be there, Bull crap. His @ss was pinned down agains the ropes by a pillow fisted fighter. alot of those shot where landing on the side and trough the guard when pinned against the ropes. my boy was pushing the action and being the most aggresive during most of the fight, for exception of 4 and 5 round. i think we landed more body shots than any other hbo fight, according to punch stat. I wanna give prop to Benavidez Senior, he has stepped up like a real Man and acknowledge the cold facts and reality of the boxing buisness.

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Radam G:

"Funny because in this video, circa 2009, he says that if Pacquiao beats Cotto he'd be the best ever...which Manny duly did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiBa0L123k"


Thanks for putting that there. I was going to do it, but I don't want to appear to be like a "GOTCHA" guy. And I'm waiting on somebody to pull up the Paulie's syet when he didn't thinks highly of Money May.

I gotta shotgun ride with A-seng. Paulie is a straight-up tsAH sellout -- a puckin' chameleon.

I can find stuff on Paulie that would knock your socks off. He is a HATER! He is an agitator with vapors. And he is an idiot who make excuses about every fighter ever associated Da Manny are on roids. And dat Da Manny is on dat syet.

Paulie is tsAH's ______ ______. I hope that he fights another one of Da Manny's ex-sparringmates and get the double fudge knocked OUT! Holla!

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dino da vinci:

"Funny because in this video, circa 2009, he says that if Pacquiao beats Cotto he'd be the best ever...which Manny duly did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiBa0L123k"


@leon30001. Great interview. Lot going on on that site. Guys, check it out.

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deepwater2:

"Funny because in this video, circa 2009, he says that if Pacquiao beats Cotto he'd be the best ever...which Manny duly did.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiBa0L123k"




Great find. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

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Radam G:

"Agreed. I think this fight ends with a Thurman KO or Khan UD.

Khan has better legs, faster hands, and more combinations. I can see Khan moving, lighting Thurman up with combinations, and getting out of the way.

...I just wrote that and realized that Chris Algieri wants to be Amir Khan when he grows up."


Wow! What? We are definitely coming in on different planes. Khan is flashly fast and crude. "One Time" is quick, stealth and fluid. He is actually faster than Amir Khan with feet and hands.

Khan is jittery and flustering. He is like a loud, shaky automobile who uneducated eyes would think is faster than a quite, smooth, steady, low-to-the-ground-NASCAR vehicle. Sound, jittering and flustering can fool the heck out vision when you are not aware of it.

I'm not onboard with DDV. Thurman would kayo Khan in a firefight, the way that Marvelous Marvin Hagler did Tommy Hearns back in da day. Or Thurman would "One Time" him and that is all he rows. Holla!

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deepwater2:

"While those two actually fought (twice), I was referring to fights that didn't happen, or couldn't have happened do to different eras.



Some would argue that Poison Ivy had all the ingredients to be an all-time great and that a mid-career hiccup set the tone for the rest of his career. I was at CP the night when the wheels came off his 'On my way to a Hall of Fame career and nothing can stop me except me' outing. He complained of difficulty making weight. Those closest to him stated he had no such problem. Junior Jones proceeded to lose the fight that night as a double digit favorite against a fighter he had previously defeated. Tough sport."




OK then I would think Jorge Paez was very very good and would have gave Prince Hamed a run for his money. Paez would roll out all his tricks and clown tactics against the unconventional Prince. Even though Paez clowned a lot he had nice boxing skills. Barrera showed the only way to beat Hamed was with strong boxing. It would have been an edge of your seat fight unless Paez got clipped early.

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the Roast:

I took the question the way Deep did, fights that happened. I got Jermain Taylor outhustling ATG Bernard Hopkins twice to take and then retain the middleweight championship of the world. Taylor turned out to be good but not great but he was good enough to out point B-Hop.

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Pazuzu:

"Do not be too quick in writing off Khan in this scrap. He has enough tools to make it interesting."



Agreed. I think this fight ends with a Thurman KO or Khan UD.



Khan has better legs, faster hands, and more combinations. I can see Khan moving, lighting Thurman up with combinations, and getting out of the way.



...I just wrote that and realized that Chris Algieri wants to be Amir Khan when he grows up.

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leon30001:

He's said that for years, actually, way before he was with Haymon. Even back when he was with DiBella."

Funny because in this video, circa 2009, he says that if Pacquiao beats Cotto he'd be the best ever...which Manny duly did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZiBa0L123k

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dino da vinci:

"Junior Jones beating Barrera twice. I thought M.A Barrera would mow down Jones but Jones used his stiff jab, long right hand and rough house tactics to win."

While those two actually fought (twice), I was referring to fights that didn't happen, or couldn't have happened do to different eras.

Some would argue that Poison Ivy had all the ingredients to be an all-time great and that a mid-career hiccup set the tone for the rest of his career. I was at CP the night when the wheels came off his 'On my way to a Hall of Fame career and nothing can stop me except me' outing. He complained of difficulty making weight. Those closest to him stated he had no such problem. Junior Jones proceeded to lose the fight that night as a double digit favorite against a fighter he had previously defeated. Tough sport.

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Radam G:

I just named some that did do that. I will name some that could after I get a few zzzzzzzzz. Holla!

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Radam G:

Doug Jones against GOAT Ali. Jones crowd the GOAT and kept putting the right cross and check hook on him.

Oscar Bonavena against the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier.Bonavena swarmed him. And beat the hooker with hook.

Douglas Buster against "Iron" Mike Tyson. Buster would let the Iron One NOT get off by smothering his action with a jab, jab, stiff arm, push, push and step to the right and hook and uppercut. The Iron One couldn't find Douglas.

Iran "The Blaze" Barley against Tommy "Hitman" Hearns. Blake kept his hand up and crowd the left-hand-at-the-wait Hearns with double right hand and sneak jabs.

And lastly, but not least, the German Max Schmeling one -two-ing the left-low-carrying Brown Bomber to a KTFO. Holla!

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Pazuzu:

"Might have found success against a particular all-time great, and how so?"



James Toney against Rocky Marciano. Toney was slick, could fight inside, had big power and has never, ever been knocked out.



(P.S. I mean this in all sincerity, it is not AKKnowledge bait).

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deepwater2:

"Might have found success against a particular all-time great, and how so?"



Junior Jones beating Barrera twice. I thought M.A Barrera would mow down Jones but Jones used his stiff jab, long right hand and rough house tactics to win.

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dino da vinci:

"Hmmm.



Khan V Thurman would be a good fight.



It's hard to imagine Khan being confident going into that one.



Whereas Thurman, he would probably be all geed up."






Do not be too quick in writing off Khan in this scrap. He has enough tools to make it interesting.

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Radam G:

"Nothing good can come opening that graphic link so I will pass. Whatever the number is I'm not sure but look how fat he is from over the weekend.
http://www.boxingscene.com/photo-adrien-broner-resurfaces-looking-very-heavy--85286"


Right on! You can see even there, he is no 157 to 160 pounds. This 5-foot-5 dude is going to end up being 300 pounds, just as his 5-foot-3-inch pops is. Holla.

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deepwater2:

"His weight is carried in his inter thighs and hips. He doesn't have saddle thighs. And you are right about his toothpick legs below the knees. Dude has the type anatomy that hide his weight and fat until you know where to look. He is a big, thick short dude.

He will end up being like James Toney. And much later in life, he will be splitting image of his pops. You ought to see his pops with shorts on. Dude bird legged below the knees.

Holla a good look at him the next time you see him in person. Holla!"


Nothing good can come opening that graphic link so I will pass. Whatever the number is I'm not sure but look how fat he is from over the weekend.
http://www.boxingscene.com/photo-adrien-broner-resurfaces-looking-very-heavy--85286

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michigan400:

Floyd is "The Best Ever" so why should he get a pass. He even say Manny is not on his level.

If you wanna be "The Best Ever", then you also have to live up to much higher expectations. I mean, people expect a little more from the President of the United States than they do from the president of the local high school don't they.

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jauregui0609:

Of course he wouldn't get a pass. Neither does Pac. The only ones giving him props for that fight are the hype-men/ boxing columnist, and people trying to make that mega fight happen. Fans on the other hand have proven that we don't want to see anyone else get in the ring with them, by not buying ppvs. Both of them are taking advantage of the fans by selecting punching bags for their bouts.

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Radam G:

"Sensei, you're actually way off for once. He has toothpick legs, anorexic thighs and a little booty. He's very top heavy with oddly bulging deltoids.

EDIT: http://youtu.be/0TvGnfQ7jIQ?t=7m34s *WARNING* It's graphic, but here you can see for yourself.

Floyd Mayweather even said it in an interview/media call that Broner's legs are too skinny and that he should move back down to lightweight LOL."


His weight is carried in his inter thighs and hips. He doesn't have saddle thighs. And you are right about his toothpick legs below the knees. Dude has the type anatomy that hide his weight and fat until you know where to look. He is a big, thick short dude.

He will end up being like James Toney. And much later in life, he will be splitting image of his pops. You ought to see his pops with shorts on. Dude bird legged below the knees.

Holla a good look at him the next time you see him in person. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"I don't know anything about that rumor. But I'm willing to best that Broner is about 175lbs. He has a body built where he's not yet belly heavy, but in the thighs and buttock are where he hides his excess weight. Maybe -- other than that it is in style -- he wears all of his clothes below the waist and around the arse and thighs extra baggy.

Dudes has thighs bigger than a NFL linebacker and an arse wider than a backboard.

A lot of short type of people are that way. And when they get middle age, their bellies start to pop out to catch up to those tree-trunk thighs and wide @$$e$.

Holla at b-ball game. Broner is not 157-160lbs nothing. Somebody must be suffering from expectation blindness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzr1jb6f7Kc. Holla!"


Sensei, you're actually way off for once. He has toothpick legs, anorexic thighs and a little booty. He's very top heavy with oddly bulging deltoids.

EDIT: http://youtu.be/0TvGnfQ7jIQ?t=7m34s *WARNING* It's graphic, but here you can see for yourself.

Floyd Mayweather even said it in an interview/media call that Broner's legs are too skinny and that he should move back down to lightweight LOL.

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stormcentre:

Hmmm.

Khan V Thurman would be a good fight.

It's hard to imagine Khan being confident going into that one.

Whereas Thurman, he would probably be all geed up.

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