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Froggy:

"Any list that doesn't include Henry Armstrong isn't much of a list."

I was thinking the same thing, many would say he is TBE !

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Skibbz:

HBO teaching Showtime a lesson in how to form an undercard. This could be the fight of the night and a sure FOTY candidate.

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dino da vinci:

Any list that doesn't include Henry Armstrong isn't much of a list.

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thegreyman:

Sounds like a blast, with a great cause too.

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Skibbz:

Whatever the authorities think of the situation and from what they saw in the video, it's not something that can really be policed and it happens all over the world in every single boxing gym that teaches people how to fight. If the gym is serious, then everyone will be tested. I remember after the first week I had attended my first ever boxing gym, with only having been taught the stance, the 1-2 and nothing more I was thrust into a 3x4 spar with a boy older and bigger than me who didn't care that I had no idea how to defend myself in the ring. They wanted to see heart, that I wouldn't give up and that I would fight back.



D2 I am sure you know this and you will agree with me on what I have said. Sure the illegal gambling, ridiculousness of the entire sparring affair and the lack of medical attention to those being knocked unconscious is wrong and should be looked into, but this is a brutal sport at the end of the day, it's survival of the fittest where only the strong survive.

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Radam G:

"Ha Ha.... Lol..
I was in LA, at an anti "Floyd Mayweather Convention" with Skip Bayless, Nichol, and Thomas Hauser burning an effigy of Floyd sitting in a Rolled Royce (sic)."


Wow! I was visiting Mars and hanging out with my little green cousins. We burned da hebejeebeez outta an effigies of Lil' Floyd and Big Floyd raining Benjamins on fat-booty stank hos. Hehehe! Holla!

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thegreyman:

Great card full of powerful, aggressive fighters- couldn't come soon enough!

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the Roast:

Mark Johnson??? A little early in the day to be on the sauce!

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Radam G:

"Bingo. I saw many empty seats as well. Someone bought those tickets and wrote it off as a business expense"

I see that they couldn't jive play you with inattentional blindness by making you exclusively focal on the fights and the celebrities at ringside.

The crooks that be excuses for all those empty mid-level and nosebleed seats will/would be: "In case of a fire, a roid, a medical situation or terrorist attack, we left seats unoccupied for emergency access."

Oh, YUP! RIGHT! Just when Money Mays fights. You lead of the arena empty.

But no need for "emergency access" when Day Manny/3m scraps.

OMG! The TsOTT and OIs are big time for Lil' Floyd -- no hate. Holla!

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amayseng:

"You don't see my leading because it is so stealth. Full of good health and wealth. And it takes away your breath. Hehehe! I assume that you are talking about my ATG pound-for-pound listl

Just know that Willie Pep is number one. GOAT Ali is two. Bob FitzSimmons is three. And in the rest of my list, I have the likes of the "Old Mongoose" Archie Moore, "Finito Lopez, Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson, "Sweetpea" Whitaker, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ramos, Carlos Monzon, Jack Johnson and Jose Napoles to name a few more. Holla!"


Throw Duran in there and we are in agreement...ha

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amayseng:

When I saw that episode that was the first thing I thought of to myself,,,,"how is this safe?"


It is not.

I am sure FMJ will have some bs to save his ***, as usual

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brownsugar:

This is a can't miss card.

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deepwater2:

"ESPN would be spot on. Billionaire William Buffet -- Money May's friend for a minute -- bought up all the leftover tickets to help create this optical illusion of Money May's drawing power.



Holla at the fight again, and dig all the empty seats. Or maybe Money May is so good with it now, dat invisible muthapuckas and muthasuckas and dey see-through-fat hos are occupying seats and you cannot see them with your naked eyes or naked @$$es. Give ma BREAK!



ALERT: It is a nice tax write on for the Buffet of bucks -- billions of bucks. His moolah gives him more tricks than Harry Houdini, David Copperfield and David Blaine combined. Holla!"




Bingo. I saw many empty seats as well. Someone bought those tickets and wrote it off as a business expense

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brownsugar:

"The truthfulness of the count is just like doing your American income tax. You can make up all type of syet. Is $howtime being honest? Heck no! Is it giving you a gross count, or a net gross? Is it counting all the freebies and pirated? Yes.



$howtime is full of syet. It is probably counting freebies that American Forces Network shoots out to the local population in Asia, especially Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, American Samoa, The Marshall Islands, Yap, Japan, The P-Islands, Korea and Singapore.



"Mayhem" probably had 250thou on the U.S. mainland. The Commish, B-Sug, D2, SouthpawFlo and dey kinfolks and bill collectors were about the only cats in this Universe to buy. Hehe! Holla!"




Ha Ha.... Lol..

I was in LA, at an anti "Floyd Mayweather Convention" with Skip Bayless, Nichol, and Thomas Hauser burning an effigy of Floyd sitting in a Rolled Royce (sic).

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Kid Blast:

Here are my next five:



Salvador Sanchez

Julio Cesar Chavez

Hagler

Tie between Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker and Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Khaosai Galaxy

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Radam G:

"Espn's Boxinf page Reported that the Live Gate Generated the 5th highest revenue in Nevada Boxing history, and that 4 of the 5 highest grossing fights in Nevada history featured Floyd....



PPV King & Cash King of Boxing, but the question is for how long....."


ESPN would be spot on. Billionaire William Buffet -- Money May's friend for a minute -- bought up all the leftover tickets to help create this optical illusion of Money May's drawing power.

Holla at the fight again, and dig all the empty seats. Or maybe Money May is so good with it now, dat invisible muthapuckas and muthasuckas and dey see-through-fat hos are occupying seats and you cannot see them with your naked eyes or naked @$$es. Give ma BREAK!

ALERT: It is a nice tax write on for the Buffet of bucks -- billions of bucks. His moolah gives him more tricks than Harry Houdini, David Copperfield and David Blaine combined. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Hey Holla, let's see YOUR list!! Your good at countering, but I don't see any leading."

You don't see my leading because it is so stealth. Full of good health and wealth. And it takes away your breath. Hehehe! I assume that you are talking about my ATG pound-for-pound listl

Just know that Willie Pep is number one. GOAT Ali is two. Bob FitzSimmons is three. And in the rest of my list, I have the likes of the "Old Mongoose" Archie Moore, "Finito Lopez, Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson, "Sweetpea" Whitaker, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ramos, Carlos Monzon, Jack Johnson and Jose Napoles to name a few more. Holla!

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SouthPawFlo:

Espn's Boxinf page Reported that the Live Gate Generated the 5th highest revenue in Nevada Boxing history, and that 4 of the 5 highest grossing fights in Nevada history featured Floyd....







PPV King & Cash King of Boxing, but the question is for how long.....

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Kid Blast:

I'd rather be water boarded than watch this again. :mad:

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Radam G:

The truthfulness of the count is just like doing your American income tax. You can make up all type of syet. Is $howtime being honest? Heck no! Is it giving you a gross count, or a net gross? Is it counting all the freebies and pirated? Yes.

$howtime is full of syet. It is probably counting freebies that American Forces Network shoots out to the local population in Asia, especially Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, American Samoa, The Marshall Islands, Yap, Japan, The P-Islands, Korea and Singapore.

"Mayhem" probably had 250thou on the U.S. mainland. The Commish, B-Sug, D2, SouthpawFlo and dey kinfolks and bill collectors were about the only cats in this Universe to buy. Hehe! Holla!

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Kid Blast:

Hey Holla, let's see YOUR list!! Your good at countering, but I don't see any leading.

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The Good Doctor:

"Bad news, I am a Tarver fan and think he still has enough in the tank to be competitive in todays HW landscape.

I am hoping he isn't fighting for money, how these athletes make millions and end up with nothing I will never understand....

Of course I am a cheapskate."



I actually helped a a kid that I mentored do a term paper on this. The surprising thing that we found is three things:

-Financially, the athletes are no different from the rest of society
-There is a gross misunderstanding of how money works
-Most athletes don't even come close to making millions

If you ever have a chance, watch the 30 for 30 on ESPN called "Broke". It is a decent depiction of how athletes blow their money.

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Radam G:

"Bad news, I am a Tarver fan and think he still has enough in the tank to be competitive in todays HW landscape.

I am hoping he isn't fighting for money, how these athletes make millions and end up with nothing I will never understand....

Of course I am a cheapskate."


He's fighting for money. He never made the super big bucks compared to his peers. He just exaggerated and lied a lot. Holla!

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amayseng:

Bad news, I am a Tarver fan and think he still has enough in the tank to be competitive in todays HW landscape.

I am hoping he isn't fighting for money, how these athletes make millions and end up with nothing I will never understand....

Of course I am a cheapskate.

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The Commish:

The card will still take place, though with the co-feature being bumped up to main event status. Antonio Tarver Jr. will still be on the card, making his pro debut at the age of 26.

Poppa Antonio will be on my SiriusXM show Friday evening with me, Gerry Cooney & The Shadow, talking about his thumb, his future and his son.

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

Its really tough for me to get a read on Postol. He is tall and lanky and could cause a lot of guys problems. He has wins over Lundy and Aydin so has beat the "B" level of fighter. He uses a solid jab to keep distance and is not a bad inside fighter. He also has mastered the art of clinching, not too much but at the right times, to keep his opponents off balance and constantly resetting.

I wonder though how Postol will react in a fight when things maybe are not going his way. So far in his career things have for the most part gone his way in fights and he has been in control. How about when he is not in control and the other guy keeps pressing the action not discouraged by his style? How will he respond to the pressure and some adversity? Postol is also tall and lanky and past history in the sport has indicated that those guys don't always have the best chins. Postol's chin has never been tested and I wonder what would happen if say Matthysse him him flush.

The jury is really still out on Postol. His style could make for a very dangerous fight for someone or he could be exposed at the top level. I don't know. That makes a matchup with Matthysse very interesting to me. It could be a one round blowout for Matthysse or could be a tough fight for him in which he can't figure out the style of Postol.

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gibola:

Time goes on and as SRR become more of a legend in history books, as fewer people are around who saw him in his prime, as the only footage is of the beatable middleweight, it's inevitable SRR's n1o p4p status gets questioned. The welterweight SRR's stats are amazing and we must say that at 147 he was a helluva fighter. What I don't buy is that the 160lb SRR should be considered in the same light. Still a fantastic fighter, but older, slower and eminently hittable.

It shouldn't be taboo to question SRR's status. I feel that it's not the great fighters of today's fault that they weren't around in the 40s and 50s. An interesting question would be if Ray Leonard had been around in the 40s and 50s and SRR had been around now. If SRR was fighting in 2014, twice a year on HBO, tied to a contract and politics ruled the guy coming out of the other corner, how much of a different perspective would we have? SRR's legend is in part because of he was around in an era when they fought more often, the field was bigger and more competitive. If the same fighter was fighting now there's no way we'd say he was the best p4p because of the lack of respect for this era rather than relative fighting abilities.

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thegreyman:

My vote for TBE, personally, goes to either Willie Pep or Roberto Duran, depending how I'm feeling when you ask me.

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The Commish:

"The way it's structured, overall, they can't lose money on the deal. They're happy, though I've heard they were a little concerned with the negative backlash leading up to the pay-per-view.



Even if you isolate Mayweather's purse -- which is fronted by SHO, just like HBO did -- and match it up against their percentage of PPV revenue, say it did 900K vs. 1.2 million, the difference in Showtime/CBS' percentage cut is only $1 million.



Also, revenue should be super high due to higher price points.



Theaters count as close circuits. They fall under that revenue stream. Close circuit is a relatively insignificant income source from a percentage standpoint.



Finally, SHO declined comment due to their policy but the source spoke to Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, traditionally a trusted source.



As any good journalist should, Iole investigated the veracity of the tally by fact-checking the different cable sources who reported anywhere from 10-20% increases over the last fight.



The full numbers won't be in for quite a while.



The 925,000 buyrate is an impressive figure, considering low projections and lackluster tracking indicators.



Due to the landscape of late, industry insiders speculated the high output of PPV telecasts across the board (WWE, boxing and MMA) had led to a saturated market, given the fact that most 2014 PPVs failed to hit projections.



Many experts even predicted the #Mayhem buyrate would fail to hit 800,000.



In retrospect, however, the total figure is hardly a surprise when you consider the new markets Mayweather reached with the torrent of bad publicity.



As it turns out, the lawsuits and domestic violence criticisms led to features on TMZ, ESPN and CNN, which most likely spiked buys also.



Instead of causing a mass buyer exodus, the constant stream of negative Mayweather press perhaps simply alerted people who may not have known that the number one pound-for-pound was back in action.



While the court of public opinion can be harsh, in boxing -- it would appear -- it does not seem to matter. As long as you keep on #winning."




It's funny how that works. "Mayhem" apparently outdrew the first fight, back in May. That is probably because of the amount of negative press which did indeed act like a cold splash of water into the face. It woke people up.



In addition, there were those who thought, "The first fight was so competitive and close that this one will be the same way. I'll kick myself if I don't buy it and wake up on Sunday morning to find out Maidana has won.



I have to believe that all who bought the first fight were thoroughly entertained. When the rematch was announced, they had no doubts or second thoughts about purchasing it. The were counting on a Gatti-Ward-type rematch, but instead got an Ali-Frazier II type rematch. Let's not wait for the "Thrilla' in Manila."



It will be interesting to see who $$$May chooses as his dancing partner next May, and how they promoters go about selling it. On what angle?



Judging on "Mayhem," $$$May is still boxing's top attraction. As Father Time erodes his once-magnificent skills oh so slowly, the chances are those PPV numbers will still be there in May and especially next September, when he goes for #49 (provided he wins in May) to tie Rocky Marciano.



Can you picture what those PPV numbers will be if he ties The Rock and then goes for #50 in 2016, which, in all probability, he will?



My guess is they will be over 1 million.



-Randy G.

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brownsugar:

"Controversy sells, but there comes a point where too much of it tarnishes the brand and consumers second guess their decision to buy. Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be altered. However depending on the loyalty of the fan, they will still purchase fights. Look at the Ray Rice situation, there are female Raven's fans criticizing the punishment and supporting him. It all depends on how much of a fan are you. But in this case I think there some seasoning added to the PPV numbers. But the media attention helped too."

It's crazy CC, I have to agree ....... Also Espinoza can neither hide or create money out of thin air. It doesn't benefit Showtime to promote a lie when they can just back out of the deal. No company is going to go out of business trying to create an illusion. I'm.positive Showtime has an escape clause if things go South.

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