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Froggy:

"Froggy it's a pick em fight, should be a hoot. Rosado is way bigger than Lemmy however."



Sounds good, I didn't realize the difference in size, just hope it's a good fight !

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Gabrielito:

Froggy it's a pick em fight, should be a hoot. Rosado is way bigger than Lemmy however.

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The Shadow:

"Actually you could make an argument for De La Hoya...but not that version."

True. That aside, just curious to hear what you think Floyd can do that makes him the best Manny will have faced?

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The Shadow:

"SHAME, SHAME on that mother for posioning that son against his father. The father may have been foolish, but his takes care of that potty-mouthed, brain-washed boy.

Josie Harris is a hatchet hoodrat who cannot let go of her fantasy of Money May. She cannot have him, so she hopes to destroy him with her lying, exaggerating, stank arse.

Wow, B-Sug! I've let the coconut wine go. But D@MN! The woman too? I'm working on it. I think I got a gene acting up -- a-luv-da-hos gene. Hehehe! Holla!"


That she is. They're both toxic for one another. They've had a volatile relationship and she is just as bad as he.

Floyd gets physical, she gets physical with guys that she knows would push his insecurities (ie. tall, rich, well-endowed NBA player -- a guy who's everything he's not).

Regardless, as a man, you have to learn how to walk away before you become entrenched in the storm, the drama to the point where you can't get out.

This is where stuff like this transpires. You're not a $2 *****, Floyd. Stop f*cking with $2 hoes, baby mama or not.

You should know better.

THAT BEING SAID, reading that article the thing you mention is one thing I never quite understood.

People read this, take it in, form an opinion and then accept it as fact.

(There were several factual errors in the piece, quite common as the fact-checking process in modern journalism is flawed, at best.)

People don't quite realize the process behind setting up interviews, how hard it is to get sensitive things on the record or even to get an interview at all sometimes.

Negotiation is involved. Agreements are made. That's just how it goes.

Most want to see the questions beforehand. Some subjects get to review quotes before publications. Some get to alter it. Others get to shape the direction of the article. Everyone knows and accepts this; those are the rules.

Though this violates journalistic principles, sometimes an underpaid reporter will take a check under the table to write something.

(Often the quotes you see attributed to a source were never spoken; they were edited or sometimes even made up. In fact, at least half the Manny Pacquiao quotes you see in US media is stuff from Fred Sternburg's mind.)

I wonder what the reporter promised her? Not only that, but to get the mother to agree to put the son on the record. Then from there to get him to agree to share his recollection of the events that transpired.

THEN FROM THERE, get him to GO ON THE RECORD, air his father out and THEN call him a coward?!

Here's the thing: if the woman didn't have an agenda, if her son were to say that, any respectable human being would tell the reporter "Don't put that on the record. My son is just upset."

No?

That fact alone tells me A LOT about the proceedings in the arrangement of this story, the interview and the conversations leading up to the actual interview.

And wait, doesn't she have a book she's trying to promote?

Before people go on and say, "Oh, it's bad what Floyd did, he deserves it, any son would say that," please consider the process of actually getting someone to say something like that in a feature story ON THE RECORD.

This is not an Instagram post or a video. This is a feature story that took weeks, if not months of preparation to complete.

No matter what he did to get it, he ultimately did a good job with the story. But let's not act like she doesn't have an agenda and that she's not USING her son to get it.

Floyd and Josie, in this case, they're both despicable in my view.

And knowing his petty and somewhat immature a$$, I wouldn't be surprised that those recent Instagram posts of him a) buying his son a Bentley golf cart and b) his posting a video with him drowned in a plethora of whores carrying the sweetest tail known to man were TOTALLY deliberate.

That said, Floyd paid his debt for his crime. She's trying to get paid more.

Disgraceful all around.

Ugh.

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Froggy:

"Neither is an "A" side in this fight, which makes it a great matchup. Rosado looked sharp beating Bryan Vera regardless of the format, and should do the same to the Canadian kid whose name is too hard to spell. Lemmy may want to fight at 154 after this one."



Steve Molitor was called "the Canadian Kid" ! Since I am Canadian I will go with my home boy Lemieux, I think thats how you spell it !

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Gabrielito:

Neither is an "A" side in this fight, which makes it a great matchup. Rosado looked sharp beating Bryan Vera regardless of the format, and should do the same to the Canadian kid whose name is too hard to spell. Lemmy may want to fight at 154 after this one.

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leon30001:

Really? Why do you think Floyd is the best Manny will have fought? "



Actually you could make an argument for De La Hoya...but not that version.

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The Shadow:

"Pac's footwork, footspeed and agility along with his high volume, punching power and angles are TOO much for Floyd to overcome at this point.



Floyd is fantastic, still, but this wont be Canelo toeing a line and trying to out box Floyd.



Manny just has too much offensively for Floyds pot shotting style. Pac whooped Bradley, who is a phenom boxer and has better agility than Floyd at this point.



RG is correct, Floyd will feel like he is in a phone booth all night"




You just lost me there, bro. This is insane.

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amayseng:

Pac's footwork, footspeed and agility along with his high volume, punching power and angles are TOO much for Floyd to overcome at this point.

Floyd is fantastic, still, but this wont be Canelo toeing a line and trying to out box Floyd.

Manny just has too much offensively for Floyds pot shotting style. Pac whooped Bradley, who is a phenom boxer and has better agility than Floyd at this point.

RG is correct, Floyd will feel like he is in a phone booth all night

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Radam G:

BTW! The writer of that ancient proverb was probably a wine-o and skirt chaser until his was a 120-years old and could stay awake or get up. My 114-year-old Tio Mamoy said when his ding-a-ling quit getting morning wood, he will quit banging the uglies. Hehehe! Holla!

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Radam G:

"Mayweather is still fighting public perception. His 14 year old son just called him a coward in the press and the baby's mama, Josie Harris is cashing in by writing a book about being abused during her time with Floyd.



And ancient proverb states that : too much wine and women makes the heart weak...due his life style Floyd may be aging quicker than Manny....plus he's already two years older



Given the strife, age and personal upheaval in Floyd's life,... I'm not ready to pronounce him the winner of a fight that's going on five years too late.



The potential is there but its certainly not guaranteed."




SHAME, SHAME on that mother for posioning that son against his father. The father may have been foolish, but his takes care of that potty-mouthed, brain-washed boy.



Josie Harris is a hatchet hoodrat who cannot let go of her fantasy of Money May. She cannot have him, so she hopes to destroy him with her lying, exaggerating, stank arse.



Wow, B-Sug! I've let the coconut wine go. But D@MN! The woman too? I'm working on it. I think I got a gene acting up -- a-luv-da-hos gene. Hehehe! Holla!

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Radam G:

Wow! The talk is cheap. Pretty Boy Floyd lost her sheep. The Pac-punches, he doesn't want to eat. He knows his arse, Da Manny will EASILY beat.



Lil' Floyd can handle the heat. He wants to stay on his make-believe pound-for-pound top seat.



In the AmerKano psyche, fiction has always been stronger than reality. Lil' Floyd could not stand the actuality of the brutality of a fight-Da-Manny reality.



From all of da BIG syet talkers to bullsyet walkers, Money May would have to face, he cannot handle that taste.



Against Chino, he lost a tooth. Against Da Manny, he will think that he is in an old-days telephone booth.



And Money May would be straight-up petrified. He would imagine that Da Manny is Mighty Joe Young. And that the one and only ducking Money May is getting ready to get his bell rung.



He will see that BIG, GIANT, Filipino National FIST coming down on that phone booth to smash his @$$. Money May will be grass. Dude act like a little scary lass.



Money May couldn't even beat Da Manny in his Fam Mayweather's dream. Money May keep doing what he does in real life -- DUCK! And than fire ev'ybodee and dey momma for thinking of Da Manny as a boksing high muck-a-muck. Holla!

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Kid Blast:

We all know this story, Can't see what good there is in brining it back. Many of those involved would like to move on.

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Kid Blast:

It's a good cause. I just put a check in the mail for $ 100.

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deepwater2:

I watched this card and the PPV MP fight for free. My new dentist gave me a heads up on a free website.It worked. I am going to watch the Fury, Saunders Eubank card the same way I suppose. If you want to know the website send me a message, I don't want to get this website in trouble.

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brownsugar:

"It was a good night of boxing with no upsets. The only disappointment it must be said was the main event.. Nathan cleverly fought a l Algieri and shockingly for a man with a reknowned engine he looked spent after 8 rounds, sitting on the ropes and letting Bellew bang away.



Nonetheless it was a great night of boxing, quigg fought a very tough veteran Japanese who took everything quigg had and still remained standing.



Groves and DeGale got their victories and looked good doing so, Callum Smith went the distance against a supremely tough opponent from Eastern Europe and AJ did exactly what you wanted to see, flatten Sprott within a round. He landed such heavy leather that the ref had to jump in to protect Sprott's brain box from perm damage.



All in all a great night!"




That's what I remember Cleverly for,... Non-stop-come-forward-volume-punching.

Except Kovalev proved that everyone has limitations.



Their first fight was nonstop action.



I can't believe Periban got destroyed by Degale, Periban gave Saiko Bika, DLeon Love, and Jack Badou all they could handle in very close fights.



I heard Groves took care of his business as well.



And they say AJ is ready to stop fighting guys of Sprouts quality and move up a notch. But there is nothing wrong with taking your time in the Heavyweight division.



Hopefully I'll be able to find it on YouTube.

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sumopop:

It is true, one cannot beat someone who will not fight them. I would favor Floyd too, but how about they get it on and let's all get over our punditry of what we "know" would happen. Truth is, until they fight, none of us knows anything. We just have solid educated guesses.

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The Shadow:

"I really don't agree that Floyd is a lock vs. Manny. The fact he won't fight him tells us that much. Remember; Pac is the best fighter Floyd will EVER have faced (and vice versa, obviously)."

Really? Why do you think Floyd is the best Manny will have fought?

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Kid Blast:

Aha. In the absence of a response from Frank, I must assume he agrees with me. I'll root him out one way or the other.

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brownsugar:

I had a slightly different perspective. And its simply an educated guess........Algieri was clearly trying to sell tickets with his absurd prefight comments and he may have been hoping Pacman would have become angry enough to charge straight into a right hand.



Ever since JMM stopped Manny, everybody in boxing thinks all they need to do is land a perfect shot.



However it will take a special fighter to make lightening strike twice.



A knock out strategy is as reliable as blowing your pay check at the strip club and then trying to pay your rent by spending your last $20 on lottery tickets.

Odds are anyone trying that will end up homeless.



I think he tried to acknowledge Paq as a uniquely special fighter in the post fight interview but the way he said it came out sounding like grudging left-handed praise.

But that response could have been his emotions talking, the man just got his arse kicked from pillar to post. I'm surprised he didn't burst out in tears.



Maybe he was trying to keep a stiff upper lip.



I honestly think the fight should have been stopped by the tenth due to non- competitiveness.

It would have helped Algieri more than going the distance by motivating him to learn his craft. Having a fight stopped by your trainer is something no fighter wants to happen twice.( ask one the fighters Ronnie Shields stopped, ... there were many of them )

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The Shadow:

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Does anyone else understand why he says Pacquiao fought like Pacquiao? Did he expect him to fight any other way? I don't think arrogance attracts people towards you and he certainly doesn't sound at all humbled by the pounding he received... He is a man who is not magnanimous in victory nor gracious in defeat.. Not my cup of tea!"


I honestly think it was a bit of a backhanded compliment, to be honest.

The way I understood it was that Algieri doesn't think much of Pacquiao as a skilled fighter but that Pacquiao has found a way to transform his quirky, awkward style into a blaze of dynamic unpredictability that is hard to beat.

He was confused by the fact that punches he expected to see coming from where he was used to seeing them coming from didn't come from there.

Also, punches he was expecting to be thrown at a certain time or timing didn't come when he anticipated them.

Pacquiao is one of those rare talents that with a style that defies convention but works for him.

When you break him down scientifically, you may come away unimpressed, as you see many fighters express before they step in there with him -- short, light, not particularly skillful (conventionally speaking), pretty predictable offensively (feint-1-2, 1-1-2, repeat.)

Then once you're in there, you realize that while a hurricane is "predictable," it still does a lot of f****** damage, overwhelms you and there ain't much you can do about it.

It's kinda like basketball player Steve Nash when he was playing for the Phoenix Suns. You look at him and think, "oh, I'm finna ice this fool."

Then you get in there and realize that nothing could be further from the truth. This little non-threatening looking dude is about to run circles around you and embarrass you in front of your peeps.

While his conventional toolbox is far from impressive, the little things he does -- sick feints, weird rhythm, explosive backhand, punch placement, serendipitous pivots -- propel him into a stratosphere where he's nearly impossible to beat.

Naazim Richardson said it best, he's like the Rubik's Cube of boxing.

For a classic boxer like a Algieri -- an inexperienced one at that -- those small things were impossible to prepare for because they are things that cannot be taught.

Not to mention the experience on the high level. Algieri pulled out all his tricks, played his entire hand in the first four rounds with his wide array of feints, looks etc.

Manny didn't bite at all. Too seasoned, too experienced, too good.

Algieri sounded like he was thinking "This is supposed to work. Why doesn't this work?"

I think that's what he meant by his remark. In his mind he probably felt he was a better boxer than Pacquiao yet Pacquiao beat him anyway.

Sorry for the long winded post LOL.

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leon30001:

I really don't agree that Floyd is a lock vs. Manny. The fact he won't fight him tells us that much. Remember; Pac is the best fighter Floyd will EVER have faced (and vice versa, obviously).

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Froggy:

C-Al had only been knocked down by Ruslan before he met Pacquiao so I have to wonder if Manny is not fast or strong but he went down 6 times, a couple slips in there, how many times he would have went down against someone who is fast and strong ? Manny deserved more credit from someone he defeated so very, very easily !

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Skibbz:

It was a good night of boxing with no upsets. The only disappointment it must be said was the main event.. Nathan cleverly fought a l Algieri and shockingly for a man with a reknowned engine he looked spent after 8 rounds, sitting on the ropes and letting Bellew bang away.

Nonetheless it was a great night of boxing, quigg fought a very tough veteran Japanese who took everything quigg had and still remained standing.

Groves and DeGale got their victories and looked good doing so, Callum Smith went the distance against a supremely tough opponent from Eastern Europe and AJ did exactly what you wanted to see, flatten Sprott within a round. He landed such heavy leather that the ref had to jump in to protect Sprott's brain box from perm damage.

All in all a great night!

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deepwater2:

yes that was strange to hear. Was Pac fast? No. Was Pac strong? No. He beat me with experience.

He can call the right fist or the left fist experience if he wants to but it is what it is.

Tim Lane should go lock himself in a cage, he could of thrown in the towel and save his fighter some punishment.

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Skibbz:

"Your guess is as good as mineon whether Algieri cuts his longtime friends/trainers loose. I saw him do it with his fantastic cutman, George Mitchell,a disciple of the late, great cutman Al Gavin, whom Team Algieri let go after the Ruslan Provodnikov fight. Why they let him go is still a mystery to me. I intend to be speaking at length to Chris in the next few weeks, and Gerry Cooney wants to speak to him, as well.



I like Keith Trimble and I like Tim Lane. I've worked in the gym alongside Tim and I've watched Keith handle clients. They are friendly, outgoing and professional. They have also done a fine job getting Algieri into top shape. However, their teaching prowess when it comes to the nuances of boxing are limited and their shortcomings came up large on the big stage.



If Algieri was able to let Big George Mitchell go (he's 6'10"!), when he did such a fine job at containing the massive swelling around Algieri's right eye against Provodnikov, he certainly should do the same with Lane and Trimble.



I know it won't be easy, as the three are very close friends, aside from being a longtime training team.



However, there's an old addage which says, "If it's not broken, don't fix it."



I'm sure Chris Algieri is well aware that Team Algieri is broken.



It's time to fix it!



-Randy G."




I can understand that he might feel more comfortable around trainers and friends who help him get in the best shape possible for his fights but we knew before this fight that the asymmetry in info and knowledge between Tim Lane and a trainer with several world titlists is going to be huge. How huge like you mentioned only came to light after the 12 rounds.



It's business and they should understand that if Algieri wants to stick around then he's got to move on to someone who can teach him more about the sport. In my opinion having him work with a trainer who will teach him more about the sport, improve his fundamentals and to show him the difference in running behind a jab and boxing would be useful. There's only so much change you can go through successfully at Algieri's age with respect to boxing in my opinion but the benefits of a new trainer would be too large for a rational mind to pass up.



I hope for his sake that he wakes up and stops looking at himself as the full article, that way he can still make the necessary improvements and changes. If he believes he's a flawless diamond then it's going to be a short and bitter career.



Does anyone else understand why he says Pacquiao fought like Pacquiao? Did he expect him to fight any other way? I don't think arrogance attracts people towards you and he certainly doesn't sound at all humbled by the pounding he received... He is a man who is not magnanimous in victory nor gracious in defeat.. Not my cup of tea!

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deepwater2:

"That's not fair, Deep. He's had one of the toughest stretches of fights over the past few years. Herrera is a top level 140 pounder who beat Ruslan Provodnikov.

He's fought one gimme since he burst on to the world scene. If anyone deserved an easy fight it was him.

In fact, Canelo, Swift and Carl Froch have probably had the toughest schedules in boxing. (And even Froch faced a BUM in between.)

And I love Chris Algieri but what about Pacquiao fighting this con job we just saw?

I think this is a tough fight for Manny Pacquiao. I would give him the edge based on experience but then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him knocked out cold with whiplash."


It is very fair.No comparison between Froch and Garcia. Garcia got to face an overweight and shop worn Morales twice, Kendall Holt, a long in the tooth Zab Judah (which he almost lost towards the end of the bout), Herrera beat him and then Salka two weight classes above his weight.
His two big fights were Lucas M and chinny Khan. Decent run at best not one of the toughest.

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brownsugar:

Mayweather is still fighting public perception. His 14 year old son just called him a coward in the press and the baby's mama, Josie Harris is cashing in by writing a book about being abused during her time with Floyd.

And ancient proverb states that : too much wine and women makes the heart weak...due his life style Floyd may be aging quicker than Manny....plus he's already two years older

Given the strife, age and personal upheaval in Floyd's life,... I'm not ready to pronounce him the winner of a fight that's going on five years too late.

The potential is there but its certainly not guaranteed.

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Froggy:

Right on Commish, both of them past their prime but could be a great fight ! I am thinking back to Ali-Frazier 3, both past their prime but what a fight , I am pretty sure Pacquiao- Mayweather won't happen in Manila though !

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The Commish:

Where $$$May v Pac would have once matched the two top fighters in the world in their respective prime, it will now still be an evenly-matched affair with the same two fighters whowing their age--but still very evenly matched.

I once gave up on this fight ever happening. I am now leaning the other way.

From everything I have been hearing, both sides not only want it, but are scheduling meetings to discuss it.

Here's hoping it happens, once and for all.

-Randy G.

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