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deepwater2:

"I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather Promotions work directly with RN. Or maybe even become a farm system of sorts to RN's major league.

It's hard to say. I think Binkow and Dave (and Richie Rich) are in cahoots.

Could Roc Nation have been the mysterious group that put the offer in to buy Golden Boy Promotions?"


I don't think Jay Z will have anything to do with Al Haymon or Mayweather promotions. Al Haymon tried to defraud Jay Z's wife, Beyonc .

RN just signed a super baseball prospect, Cuban defector, Rusney Castillo. RN has the top guys from MLB ,NBA, NFL and is trying to get top soccer players also. Besides Floyd ,the stable of fighters at Mayweather Promotions is weak. When Floyd retires in a year or so, Love and Ishe Smith will carry the outfit? Impossible.

Mike Tyson's company ,Iron Mike Promotions, has top blue chip prospects, Erickson Lubin being number one. Tyson has Brooklyn running in his veins as does Jay Z. Their brands compliment each other. I can see Jay Z and Iron Mike co promoting and doing serious business together.

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oubobcat:

This is yet another court loss for Ward. Its time for him to forget the legal wrangling going on here and get his focus back on fighting. He is wasting the prime of his career fighting in court rather than in the ring. Though he may dislike Goosen and the contract that he signed, he is doing himself much more disservice dragging this out like he is currently doing. Its time to focus on fighting in the ring and making something happen. He should go to everyone, including Goosen, and get that fight done in Denmark against Kessler to get back in the ring with an eye towards a huge fight in 2015 against Golovkin. If he wants to be a star in the ring, this is the time to do so and the fights are out there to make him a star.

By the way, with his decisive victories thus far against Ward I will be moving Goosen into my pound for pound rankings.

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Skibbz:

"My man. I infused the 168/175 example to illustrate the absurdness of the expectations. Mayweather probably beats the current middleweight champion but he'd have to take some serious bruises to do it. "

I quote.

The current MW champion is a little known Kazakh fighter with the punch of a mule, skill level of a future HOF'er and the drive and discipline necessary to accomplish any feat he so wishes to undertake. This man is hungry for success, he trains hard and has been from when he was young, amassing well over 400 fights to date, amateur and pro.

Against this dynamited fister stalker, Floyd Mayweather will have no hope of reaching the final bell. He is simply too small and does not possess the physicality to fight off what will be coming his way should these two pugilists dance together. If lesser fighters such as Maidana managed to win 4-6 rounds (although employing a different approach and style to the Kazakh) then you must understand, Floyd Mayweather will hit the canvas and will stay there on his back, unconscious.

Unfortunately, many do not know who this Kazakh HBO favourite is but his name will become known in the near future, and then comments such as yours will receive the due laughter they so seek to provoke. To state that Mayweather beats the current MW champion is a claim of the highest order and should be taken with a tonne or two of salt.

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Radam G:

"Damn! How long long have you been on this breakfast? I don't even want to tell you what I eat before heading off to the gym around 5:30am.

I will tell you this--it ain't seaweed, dillweed and the rest! I do drink lots of coconut water and have my red beets in my nightly salads.

But my breakfasts? Right now, you've got me thinking of the breakfast buffet at the Mirage in Las Vegas!

-Randy G."


Hehe! Almost forever. I'm so vain with two percent body fat. Holla!

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Skibbz:

"You have just as many excuses as Floyd himself. If he were a real warrior he would fight even those that pose a risk to his 0. Ali did it, Leonard did it. Whether he would beat Pacquiao or not is beside the point. He's avoiding Pacquiao like the plague and you know it! He should fight Manny for HIS sake. If he doesn't he'll only be remembered as the guy who ducked Pacquiao."



That made me chuckle. Whilst I agree that in some circles Floyd will most certainly be remembered as the fighter who ducked Pacquiao, in other circles he will be remembered as a man who was a beautiful boxer with supreme intelligence and physical ability. I don't think Floyd is necessarily avoiding fighters who pose a risk to his 0, he is in my opinion taking fights where he will take the lions share by far against fighters with a bit of hype surrounding them.



You could easily ask why doesn't he fight a Thurman, a Brook, a Porter, Khan, Provodnikov, or a host of 154 fighters ready to step up and take the challenge. Now that would have me scratching my head..

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The Commish:

"Commish, it has some interesting angles to it.



Considering the budgets, imagine some MMA guys joining in to take on boxers, playing up that whole "MMA vs. Boxing" narrative that always promises to get ink.



Or what about some of these matchups:



Ricardo Mayorga vs. Rosado for the BKB title

Kimbo Slice vs. Audley Harrison or some other faded heavyweight with a bit of a name

Kimbo Slice vs. Chael Sonnen

Tony Thompson vs. Shannon Briggs

Dereck Chisora vs. Shannon Briggs (after two more defeats, Chisora will likely be their heavyweight poster boy)

Roy Jones vs. Anderson Silva (holy sh*t!)

Randall Bailey vs. Jesus Soto-Krash or anyone

Mike Alvarado vs. Randall Bailey

Michael Katsidis vs. Juan Diaz

Jorge Linares vs. Daniel Estrada



I'm sure either of these can be had for reasonable six-figure sums.



I would watch this at the edge of my seat with popcorn solidly in tow!"




Those are some very interesting matchups, Shadow. I am going to send these to Gerry Cooney so we can talk about them on the air on Friday.



This is the sport I think Shannon Briggs should go to.



-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"As for risking his 0, what do you want him to do? He's better than everyone else. There is no threat to his 0 unless he goes to 168 or 175 where he will probably get injured really badly even in victory. Is that what you want? Is that what he should do?



So you think $$May beats em all at 160 my dude? Idk.. There's some guys there that might catch em'. I think Floyd is one of the most genetically blessed TACTICIANS I've ever seen. He adjusts and then the fight pretty much looks the same all the way through after that. It may be true that he goes in without a game-plan, but once he finds his distance and spots, he strictly sticks to the game-plan and doesn't fight with anything else other than how to tactfully beat the opponent(no "pride" to enagage,nothin'). I was watching this Movie "13 Assassins" the other day and one Samurai was described by another as "Not so strong, not as shrewed. But he never gives up. Backed into a corner he won't budge. He won' overplay his hand. He's a man who beats you at the end." It just reminded me of Mayweather because his focus on the fight during the fight never seems to wander. I still do wish he would've fought the fights we all wanted and he has to take some blame for it. I'm not saying all the blame but with all the leverage he has he coulda' made something happen. The "TBE" thing has to stop. The sad part about it is that I would estimate 75% of the people I meet (outside the gym)under 21 think Mayweather is easily TBE. No bueno"


My man. I infused the 168/175 example to illustrate the absurdness of the expectations. Mayweather probably beats the current middleweight champion but he'd have to take some serious bruises to do it.

He probably would take a lot of damage in any 160 fight.

Just look at how he looks after every fight at 154 even though he wins comfortably -- all bruised up and sore from the mauling and defense.

Even though he blocks a lot of shots with his arms and shoulders, it's still impact on 37-year-old bones on a natural, ectomorph lightweight frame.

Keep in mind, the guy walks around only a few pounds more than Nonito Donaire, Abner Mares and Orlando Salido.

(Go back and watch how he fought Canelo where he had eat a big fat steak meal just to get to 149 on fight night. He only blocked shots on very few occasions where he had to. The rest of the time he just moved.)

And if you notice, it's mostly non-boxing folks -- ie. guys who never took a punch -- who insist he go up to 160. They seem to think jumping weight classes is easy peasy, just a matter of putting on weight.

But it's more a question of bigger guys, more physicality, harder punches.

But it's like he says, people want to see him vulnerable. "They want me to get a bloody nose, a broken rib and then get my hand raised," he says.

Historically, vulnerability in fighters -- athletes period -- is an endearing trait to the public for some reason. I never liked Andre Agassi in 1994 when he was destroying everything.

But after he plummeted outside the Top 100 and came back to win Grand Slams, I was his biggest fan. When Ali was invincible, everyone hated him.

Once he got by on little more than heart, struggling to win 8-9 rounds against guys who wouldn't lay a hand on him 10 years prior, everyone loved him!

That's sports fans for you. Mayweather shows little vulnerability, even when he's in trouble.

That said, I agree with what you said regarding his style. He's very disciplined in there. And once he makes his adjustments, his fights usually look like reruns which prompts observers to downplay his opposition.

If there is something I would blame him for it would be his insistence on never ceding any of his power and control. He initially said he would never give Pacquiao 50/50, yet still did that so I give him credit for that.

But other than that, he wants to be the top dog so he will difficult to deal with anyone who doesn't treat him as the complete A-side.

But then again, Pacquiao has been known to be difficult in 90% of his negotiations for the exact same reasons so it's hardly anything new...

But there is absolutely no reason to place any kind of blame whatsoever on Mayweather for sticking to his blood testing guns under the circumstances his 14-day compromise was rejected.

10000 million percent blame goes where you know it should.

It's funny, I initially thought Mayweather was the culprit in this too until I started digging and saw what was up beneath all the filthy layers in this whole disgusting saga.

He's guilty of being an megalomaniac/egomaniac, yes, but he's not guilty of ducking Manny Pacquiao. That's a fallacy with no evidence to support it. None. Zero.

If there is, I'd like to see it.

Unless you count refusing to fight someone (who you're 100% convinced is drugged up) insisting on announced testing "ducking."

Because I know for a fact that he was actively trying to talk to the Pacquiao camp through all kinds of representatives, including his uncle Jeff, all throughout 2011 until finally settling on Victor Ortiz.

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flackoguapo:

This fight reminds me of a Mexican, gangsta' pit-bull vs a Siberian Husky. And I love it. These dudes go to war and they both have awesome attitudes on the way they go about it. I can see Rios getting stopped but I do not see it being a one sided beat down as some are seeing it. Provo is there to be hit all fight long and Rios will graciously welcome your punches to his face so he can let his off. This can go back and forth early and the man with the most endurance of all kinds will come out winning by stoppage down the stretch. Too much will be taken out of the one who gets the worst of it early. Provo has an edge IMO because he is explosive and can get off his punches sooner. I also think he has better stamina than Rios has recently shown. Rios has a nasty left hook and seems to go an extra "all out" when he smells blood in the water. Hard to pick a winner in a fight with these types of styles.

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flackoguapo:

As for risking his 0, what do you want him to do? He's better than everyone else. There is no threat to his 0 unless he goes to 168 or 175 where he will probably get injured really badly even in victory. Is that what you want? Is that what he should do?



So you think $$May beats em all at 160 my dude? Idk.. There's some guys there that might catch em'. I think Floyd is one of the most genetically blessed TACTICIANS I've ever seen. He adjusts and then the fight pretty much looks the same all the way through after that. It may be true that he goes in without a game-plan, but once he finds his distance and spots, he strictly sticks to the game-plan and doesn't fight with anything else other than how to tactfully beat the opponent(no "pride" to enagage,nothin'). I was watching this Movie "13 Assassins" the other day and one Samurai was described by another as "Not so strong, not as shrewed. But he never gives up. Backed into a corner he won't budge. He won' overplay his hand. He's a man who beats you at the end." It just reminded me of Mayweather because his focus on the fight during the fight never seems to wander. I still do wish he would've fought the fights we all wanted and he has to take some blame for it. I'm not saying all the blame but with all the leverage he has he coulda' made something happen. The "TBE" thing has to stop. The sad part about it is that I would estimate 75% of the people I meet (outside the gym)under 21 think Mayweather is easily TBE. No bueno

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Radam G:

"So you like JMM eh RG?



:D"




I luv him like I would like lice in my armpits. Hehehe! :D Holla!

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stormcentre:

There's no doubt Rigo is brilliant.

Rarely does all the prerequisites for a complete fighter/boxer come packaged as neatly and as efficiently as they are in Rigo.

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stormcentre:

"I finally got to see the Porter-Brook fight and it was close. Porter is a strong, aggressive, quick fighter. I had heard of Brook before but never seen him box. Kell Brook is good and he displayed alot of patience and skill while connecting in his target shots. He did blend in his holding, but he made up for that with his precision shots. The fight was close and l'd like to see a rematch. Shawn Porter will be back.ln the meantime, l like to see that fight between Keith Thurman and Kell Brook, Thurman will take care of Brook!"



Good straight forward observations and comments Denise.



Welcome to the forum.

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stormcentre:

"D-riders for Juan Manuel Marquez are already calling out "Special K."



They ought to STFU, because Special K will ramroded JMM. And If Hulkquez shows up, Special K will beat the roid zits and pimples off his arse, bust up his mug, break his nose and a few ribs and whup his full-of-dat-syet arse. Holla!"




So you like JMM eh RG?



:D

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The Shadow:

"And to a great extent this (particularly in the context of who you fight and how tough the competition is) is why professional boxing is sometimes not as tough as (so called) amateur boxing; particularly at state and country levels.

In "amateur" boxing you don't get to pick who your opponents are and most are not managed.

Imagine Usain Bolt, as a professional athlete, cheery picking who he wanted to run against and then telling everyone he's TBE!!!"


Exactly. The true competition takes place in the amateurs. Gotta be ready for any style at any given time.

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stormcentre:

"Of course. I love your posts and wish you would post more!



Yes, that premise is by and large correct. While Showtime does have some right of refusal, it's not like he can just go fight Selcuk Aydin -- not if he wants those purses, anyway.



(There's a large misconception about these purses. Showtime's function in the contract is ADVANCING the fight night purse. They then recoup the principal through PPV -- hence the "revenue sharing" agreement they vaguely reported. Which is practically what HBO did. But they just committed to doing it for six fights. SHO doesn't pay for the undercard or anything like that. If you want to look at it another way, it's actually a similar deal framework to what Mayweather offered Pacquiao in early 2012.)



At this stage of his career, his chief objective is to maximize revenues. Whoever's available, able and willing that they feel can garner the most buys is the one they will go with.



Golovkin is a darling among hardcores but until he at least has a fight at 154, there is no point in even discussing it from a sporting standpoint.



Bernard Hopkins insists he can make 160 and has publicly challenged Golovkin for a while now, over a year. Why aren't the writers pushing that?



From a business standpoint, Golovkin's team is simply using the oldest trick in the book: tie your name to the top guy and have the fans run with it.



They know as well as anyone that contracts make it a non-starter. If they didn't they wouldn't have resigned without even fielding offers from Showtime.



FWIW, this is one of the same reasons Mayweather gets furious with other promoters that hatch themselves onto his name knowing damn well that a fight can't be made.



One such example was Lou DiBella -- shortly after the whole 50/50 nonsense with Mayweather and Pacquiao -- completely trolled the media by stating he would give Mayweather 80% of the pot.



I know my fellow Crimson is no fool so I can only assume he thinks the public is. Not even Cotto got 20%.



DiBella knows for a fact that this deal wouldn't even be considered. But he also knows the public will run with any slightest indication of Mayweather ducking so he just reaped the benefits of the publicity it gave him, DBE and Martinez.



And you also saw what happened when Andre Ward called K2's "anyone up to 175" bluff. Only then did they clarify their position and admitted that Golovkin, after all, too is a prizefighter."






And to a great extent this (particularly in the context of who you fight and how tough the competition is) is why professional boxing is sometimes not as tough as (so called) amateur boxing; particularly at state and country levels.



In "amateur" boxing you don't get to pick who your opponents are and most are not managed.



Imagine Usain Bolt, as a professional athlete, cheery picking who he wanted to run against and then telling everyone he's TBE!!!

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The Shadow:

"It is gonna' take some time for me to get used to BKB fighting.

But I will keep an open mind.

-Randy G."


Commish, it has some interesting angles to it.

Considering the budgets, imagine some MMA guys joining in to take on boxers, playing up that whole "MMA vs. Boxing" narrative that always promises to get ink.

Or what about some of these matchups:

Ricardo Mayorga vs. Rosado for the BKB title
Kimbo Slice vs. Audley Harrison or some other faded heavyweight with a bit of a name
Kimbo Slice vs. Chael Sonnen
Tony Thompson vs. Shannon Briggs
Dereck Chisora vs. Shannon Briggs (after two more defeats, Chisora will likely be their heavyweight poster boy)
Roy Jones vs. Anderson Silva (holy sh*t!)
Randall Bailey vs. Jesus Soto-Krash or anyone
Mike Alvarado vs. Randall Bailey
Michael Katsidis vs. Juan Diaz
Jorge Linares vs. Daniel Estrada

I'm sure either of these can be had for reasonable six-figure sums.

I would watch this at the edge of my seat with popcorn solidly in tow!

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The Shadow:

"Great Article! Frank really knows his boxing history."

He sure does.

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Greatest's Greatest Fan:

Great Article! Frank really knows his boxing history.

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The Shadow:

Doesn't it kinda look like this? I almost can't tell the difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxIwI19PlY

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The Shadow:

"You got me thinking breakfast and threw off *what I started to write about on this thread in the first place: *Mike Jones.

Hopefully, with his new trainers, he also was given a whole new attitude. *Of ALL the fighters I have covered, interviewed, talked to, written about and profiled in a career which has touched five decades, NOBODY has ever had a worse attitude than Mike Jones. *

Shortly before the crushing loss to Randall Bailey, I called Hall-of-Fame promoter Russell Peltz asked him if he could get his unbeaten welter, Mike Jones, on my show. *Two days later, Peltz called me back.

"I am having trouble reaching Jones," he told me.

"You're his promoter," I said. *"Keep trying. *If we don't get him on this week, we'll shoot for next week."

The next day, Peltz called me back.

"Mike doesn't feel like doing the show," said Peltz. *"To be honest, he's not all that comfortable being interviewed or with the media."

"Russell, it goes with the territory!" I said.

"I know that," replied Peltz. *"You and Gerry (Cooney) will be great for him to learn from."

Well, after a few more calls, Peltz got Jones to come on. *What a mistake.

I gave Jones the big "Randy G. Buildup." *After the buildup, I rolled out our version of the red carpet. *

"...welcome to the show, the undefeated, hard-hitting, Philadelphia version of Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns, Mike Jones."

Silence. *There was silence. *Dead air.

I quickly jumped in.

"Mike, are you there?" I asked. *I looked at my producer, who was sure Jones was on the line.

"Mike?" I repeated.

Then, his voice was heard.

"Yeh!"

"Yeh?" *I'm thinking. *I just gave the guy a buildup as if he had just won "Fighter of the Year" and all he can say is "Yeh"????

Well, from that point, Jones seemed to be as uncomfortable as a cobra at a Mongoose convention. *Gerry and I couldn't wait until the interview was over. *When it was, Cooney and I just looked at each other.

"What was that?" he asked me.

"That was, at least in my buildup, *the future welterweight champion of the world," I replied.

Well, Jones is back. *Two years of dedication and hard work have taken him to his upcoming comeback fight. *He's got new trainers, an even better offense, a tighter defense and a renewed confidence.

Hopefully, he's also found a personality. *Anything is better than the one he had!

-Randy G."


Nooooo, you gave him The Buildup, The Intro of Intros and all this roody poo could say was "Yeh?!"

Maybe your namesake Randy B. knocked some sort of jive into him with his two-punch/triple fracture destruction that left him bleeding thick blood from places you're not supposed to bleed from like the tip of the nose.

Just to honor Randy B. and his freakish power, here's a brief compilation of this man's grotesquely absurd, borderline bizarre punching power.

I'm so serious, it's almost cartoonish the way they fly across the ring sometimes. They don't tumble or stumble, they fly across thr ring or on the back with velocity.

I swear, it looks like WWE sell jobs but those hammers are real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7D_3abkm4M

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Greatest's Greatest Fan:

Great Article! When I finished reading it, I was very impressed and looked up to see who wrote it. I should have known it was Frank. He really knows his boxing history!

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stormcentre:

Tough call.

From what I understand Dan has had his fair share of legal stouches and as such it (as far as Ward is concerned) could go either way.

I think, Ward is just (perhaps justifiably) peeved off at how Dan (and many others) have shown how Labor code 2855 can be - at least perceivably - circumvented with separate contracts/agreements.

Still the combined fact that they were separate and not entirely continuous shows Ward had the options of renegotiating his interests at those times; which - from my understanding - is one significant way the abovementioned Californian Labor code has been designed, so it empowers those that may not be (or feel as if they are) an authority to the contract.

Put it this way, many promoters have the capability to (legally) flick the switch on a fighter's career whenever they want even if there are not these causes for animosity.

Take a look at Top Rank's business model and fighter stable.

Do you see any lack of potential options there for Bob if any single fighter starts to cause issues? And has he ever been without options and not made squillions?

A common contractual approach (to assist with "flicking" the troublesome party or pushing them to breach contract should they become problematic and/or concerned with how much they're not making and where that's going) is designing contracts that don't necessarily guarantee the fighter PPV or network dates.

This way, a promoter controls the fighter's status and (big time) income in the same manner that studios do to acting and musical performing artists that are not truly independent; like Mayweather is in boxing - which is one reason why he has remained undefeated for so long.

Don King: let's not go there.

You get the picture.

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The Commish:

It is gonna' take some time for me to get used to BKB fighting.

But I will keep an open mind.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

You got me thinking breakfast and threw off *what I started to write about on this thread in the first place: *Mike Jones.

Hopefully, with his new trainers, he also was given a whole new attitude. *Of ALL the fighters I have covered, interviewed, talked to, written about and profiled in a career which has touched five decades, NOBODY has ever had a worse attitude than Mike Jones. *

Shortly before the crushing loss to Randall Bailey, I called Hall-of-Fame promoter Russell Peltz asked him if he could get his unbeaten welter, Mike Jones, on my show. *Two days later, Peltz called me back.

"I am having trouble reaching Jones," he told me.

"You're his promoter," I said. *"Keep trying. *If we don't get him on this week, we'll shoot for next week."

The next day, Peltz called me back.

"Mike doesn't feel like doing the show," said Peltz. *"To be honest, he's not all that comfortable being interviewed or with the media."

"Russell, it goes with the territory!" I said.

"I know that," replied Peltz. *"You and Gerry (Cooney) will be great for him to learn from."

Well, after a few more calls, Peltz got Jones to come on. *What a mistake.

I gave Jones the big "Randy G. Buildup." *After the buildup, I rolled out our version of the red carpet. *

"...welcome to the show, the undefeated, hard-hitting, Philadelphia version of Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns, Mike Jones."

Silence. *There was silence. *Dead air.

I quickly jumped in.

"Mike, are you there?" I asked. *I looked at my producer, who was sure Jones was on the line.

"Mike?" I repeated.

Then, his voice was heard.

"Yeh!"

"Yeh?" *I'm thinking. *I just gave the guy a buildup as if he had just won "Fighter of the Year" and all he can say is "Yeh"????

Well, from that point, Jones seemed to be as uncomfortable as a cobra at a Mongoose convention. *Gerry and I couldn't wait until the interview was over. *When it was, Cooney and I just looked at each other.

"What was that?" he asked me.

"That was, at least in my buildup, *the future welterweight champion of the world," I replied.

Well, Jones is back. *Two years of dedication and hard work have taken him to his upcoming comeback fight. *He's got new trainers, an even better offense, a tighter defense and a renewed confidence.

Hopefully, he's also found a personality. *Anything is better than the one he had!

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

Will Goosen hold a grudge and strongarm Ward with poor fights and small paydays or will he let things go?

I am asking?

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stormcentre:

Things that make you go hmmm.

I has previously ( http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16816-Goosen-files-10-million-dollar-defamation-suit-against-Ward&p=61424&viewfull=1#post61424 ) stated such might occur.

The right thing for GTP to do now, is to withdraw the 10M writ; although such an option (itself) could be used as a bargaining tool to ensure Andre behaves as expected.

All these distractions (even aside from the judgment and how it means Ward must "work" with Dan) will not make it easier for Ward to perform and win; even if he is fed the "right" fights for the best "cost" in a timely manner.

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The Shadow:

"Come on Shadow cut T some slack. He has a point , Floyd made many excuses. At the time of the so called offer ,Floyd offered red hot MP a 40 million flat fee with no rights. You wouldn't take that at the time if you were MP either. MP calls Floyd out all the time, while Floyd contradicts himself and blames his hate for Arum for not making the fight.

Is interference of existing contracts even legal?
Any way it's sad we are talking about these things rather then the fight itself. The bottom line is if Floyd wanted the fight it would be happening. It really is for Floyd's sake to take the fight. If not, he may have millions but he will always have the asterisk of not taking the fight. His legacy will be affected in a negative way."


I didn't mean to be harsh to Mr. Tony because I appreciate his input.

That said, what rights did he want? It was $40m upfront, which would've accrued to $45m. That's 2.5 fights worth of pay for him. He should've taken it. (Arum wouldn't have allowed it regardless. I don't think it was interference because Floyd told Manny, supposedly, that he should call Bob and get everyone on the same page.)

So yes, if I am Manny and I've wanted to fight someone as bad as I've claimed, if I claim to fight for the fans, for the people to make them happy, and want this guy so bad I'd fight for free (!), then heck yes I take the record purse.

I don't doubt that Manny Pacquiao wants him but it's a moot point when the promoter doesn't. There was no impetus, no incentive for him to do so. If I were Arum, I would've done the exact same thing.

I probably wouldn't have lied so much but deceit kinda comes with the job description; it's promotions! But the bottom line is with my fairly decent understanding of business, financials and margins, I would not make the fight either if I were Arum.

(There's a little known fact with their business relationship. Arum advances a lot of money to Pacquiao in between fights; one million here, two million there. The advance is then deducted from his purse, leaving little left for Manny on fight night. What's interesting about the advance is that Arum funds that with the residual PPV income from cable/satellite that Manny really should be entitled to in the first place. This is one of the reasons a) Floyd left and b) he makes so much more money than Manny, even in fights where their numbers are similar.)

As for Floyd staying silent, Floyd has expressed publicly and privately that he ignored them because he knew they had no intentions of making the fight. If you notice, Deep, they would always talk about Mayweather whenever Manny had a fight signed.

(And the guys on First Take are too ignorant not to realize how disrespectful they are by inviting Manny and an opponent in-studio and then asking them how another guy will do, as if he's just a stand-in, a bump in the road en route to the mega fight.)

The few times they tried to discuss with Top Rank & Co. when both were available, they refused. It's true. And Floyd got sick and tired of it.

All it would do was boost their events by baiting fans with the possible Floyd fight. "They piggybacking off my name," he would say.

To be fair to Arum, I got the impression he kinda thought both parts were in on it, kinda like a "worked shoot" type of thing. "Bait the fans, keep making money and we'll fight when there's nowhere else to go."

Ultimately, you're right. It sucks that we're talking about this BS. We should talking about the hype for their rematch at this stage.

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The Shadow:

"Come on Shadow cut T some slack. He has a point , Floyd made many excuses. At the time of the so called offer ,Floyd offered red hot MP a 40 million flat fee with no rights. You wouldn't take that at the time if you were MP either. MP calls Floyd out all the time, while Floyd contradicts himself and blames his hate for Arum for not making the fight.

Is interference of existing contracts even legal?
Any way it's sad we are talking about these things rather then the fight itself. The bottom line is if Floyd wanted the fight it would be happening. It really is for Floyd's sake to take the fight. If not, he may have millions but he will always have the asterisk of not taking the fight. His legacy will be affected in a negative way."


I didn't mean to be harsh to Mr. Tony because I appreciate his input.

That said, what rights did he want? It was $40m upfront, which would've accrued to $45m. That's 2.5 fights worth of pay for him. He should've taken it. (Arum wouldn't have allowed it regardless.)

So yes, if I am Manny and I've wanted to fight someone as bad as I've claimed, if I claim to fight for the fans, for the people to make them happy, and want this guy so bad I'd fight for free (!), then heck yes I take the record purse.

I don't doubt that Manny Pacquiao wants him but it's a moot point when the promoter doesn't. There was no impetus, no incentive for him to do so. If I were Arum, I would've done the exact same thing.

I probably wouldn't have lied so much but deceit kinda comes with the job description; it's promotions! But the bottom line is with my fairly decent understanding of business, financials and margins, I would not make the fight either if I were Arum.

(There's a little known fact with their business relationship. Arum advances a lot of money to Pacquiao in between fights; one million here, two million there. The advance is then deducted from his purse, leaving little left for Manny on fight night. What's interesting about the advance is that Arum funds that with the residual PPV income from cable/satellite that Manny really should be entitled to in the first place. This is one of the reasons a) Floyd left and b) he makes so much more money than Manny, even in fights where their numbers are similar.)

As for Floyd staying silent, Floyd has expressed publicly and privately that he ignored them because he knew they had no intentions of making the fight. If you notice, Deep, they would always talk about Mayweather whenever Manny had a fight signed.

(And the guys on First Take are too ignorant not to realize how disrespectful they are by inviting Manny and an opponent in-studio and then asking them how another guy will do, as if he's just a stand-in, a bump in the road en route to the mega fight.)

The few times they tried to discuss with Top Rank & Co. when both were available, they refused. It's true. And Floyd got sick and tired of it.

All it would do was boost their events by baiting fans with the possible Floyd fight. "They piggybacking off my name," he would say.

To be fair to Arum, I got the impression he kinda thought both parts were in on it, kinda like a "worked shoot" type of thing. "Bait the fans, keep making money and we'll fight when there's nowhere else to go."

Ultimately, you're right. It sucks that we're talking about this BS. We should talking about the hype for their rematch at this stage.

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deepwater2:

Come on Shadow cut T some slack. He has a point , Floyd made many excuses. At the time of the so called offer ,Floyd offered red hot MP a 40 million flat fee with no rights. You wouldn't take that at the time if you were MP either. MP calls Floyd out all the time, while Floyd contradicts himself and blames his hate for Arum for not making the fight.



Is interference of existing contracts even legal?

Any way it's sad we are talking about these things rather then the fight itself. The bottom line is if Floyd wanted the fight it would be happening. It really is for Floyd's sake to take the fight. If not, he may have millions but he will always have the asterisk of not taking the fight. His legacy will be affected in a negative way.

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The Commish:

"A hot cup of alkaline water after about 30 minutes after getting up. About three hours later, after exercising, road work and showering, a hand full of unsalted almonds, some seaweed, red beets and a bowl-filled of oat mill cooked in coconut water. And dill weed and dill seeds thrown in. Holla!"

Damn! How long long have you been on this breakfast? I don't even want to tell you what I eat before heading off to the gym around 5:30am.

I will tell you this--it ain't seaweed, dillweed and the rest! I do drink lots of coconut water and have my red beets in my nightly salads.

But my breakfasts? Right now, you've got me thinking of the breakfast buffet at the Mirage in Las Vegas!

-Randy G.

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