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the Roast:

"Indeed. I was reading the whole thing and I kept thinking, "Man, I hope others read this, too!"



And what is he doing? He's off somewhere teaching and preaching the reality of the sweet science -- and I'm pretty sure he does it well, too!"




Really? I have the attention span of a gnat. I was thinking,"Man this is so endless, who would actually read all of this? Where are the pendulum graphics? Good to see Paris Hilton get some pub, where has she been? Hey the Walking Dead season 5 trailer looks good, these ShoBox fights are sucking so far, Stormcentre is totally Kostya Tszyu I don't care what anyone says. Do we have any ice cream?"

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The Shadow:

Should be good! Hope he has a good run. This man knows his stuff, doesn't he? Eric Gomez is already a good matchmaker. Now it should be even better.

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The Shadow:

It's there to protect fighters, yes. Yet people are suing one guy for violating the act -- the same guy notorious for cutting into promoters' margin for the benefit of fighters.

Am I the only one confused here?

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The Shadow:

"Money May didn't say the name of the gloves. And he wouldn't because that is free publicity for that brand of glove. He simply said that Chino is unfairly trying to win against an "A-side fighter," and that was not going to happen. "He's going to wear the gloves that we tell him to.... Or it won't be a fight."

And like a man -- knowing that he didn't put it the contact -- Chino manned up and fought. And did okay. Lesson LEARNED! Put it in the contract. Or the champ is going to find an excuse to mess with you. It is call gaming. Controlling and throwing the first figurative punch. If you played slow, you don't get the first throw. And don't assume anything, just be in da know. Holla!"


Yup! You NAILED it! Floyd almost NEVER gives out free publicity. This is why he doesn't talk about other fighters, this is why he deflects questions and this is why he'll rather pretend he "don't even know who that is!"

One time on no Showtime telecast, they were asking him to name his toughest fight -- Emmanuel Augustus -- he knew he was on the big stage so he was battling in his head whether he should say the name or not.

Instead of giving the guy a plug, he started dropping hints to the ignorant announcer/interviewer who proceeded to say, "Castilo?"

"Nah. The other g-..."

"Cotto?"

"Nah."

Silence.

Finally, likely thinking, "F*** it, I'll give him some ink," Floyd deliberately said, "Burton," leaving out the Augustus. "Emmanuel Burton."

Then this one slick British interviewer tried to get Floyd to speak on the Carl Froch-George Groves We,belt Starium fight so the dude could run with the headline "Mayweather: Like I Said Before, Carl Froch Is Truly Amazing" and get a ton of UK web hits.

Instead Floyd pulled his standard non-answer by giving a totally different, irrelevant answer. " He's savvy that way.

What's funny is people think he's stupid when he does that. But he does it on purpose. I know because he's said so.

He doesn't like when people make money off of him without him getting a cut.

And why should he? LOL.

When asked, dude wouldn't even talk about his little brother. (He doesn't really know him, which may be true.)

So yes, Radam, that is EXACTLY it! Hahaha...

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The Shadow:

"You put your argument forward perfectly Stormcentre, very informed, it was a pleasure to read.



Anyone know how Kostya is getting on in Moscow these days? Would be a delight to know."




Indeed. I was reading the whole thing and I kept thinking, "Man, I hope others read this, too!"



And what is he doing? He's off somewhere teaching and preaching the reality of the sweet science -- and I'm pretty sure he does it well, too!

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The Shadow:

"That is a more accurate description of 3G.

Make no mistake the boy can bang, but he is no cutie and he has NOT accomplished what Kostya has.

Nowhere near it, as the proof shows."


Can't argue with proof. I completely agree (not that I can disagree; I can only chose to like it or not).

Hype - facts = Storm's Golovkin dissertation. Regardless of what people may think about Golovkin, the reality is he has feasted on inferior opposition with his best scalp being a No. 7 contender at best.

I'd even go as far to say that Vasyl Lomachenko faced a tougher guy in his debut than GGG faced in several -- or at least one -- of his fringe title fights.

One interesting point you mentioned is the perception that a fighter must rise in weight to to be considered elite. Such humbug. Bernard Hopkins completely dominated his weight class for years and years.

That in itself is impressive. I bet this is why Andre Ward wants to stay at 168 -- you clean out your division and then take on all comers. I'm sure he wants to be known as the greatest super middleweight of all time.

Just like K-Zoo wanted to stake his claim to all-time 140 supremacy. I can dig it.

In Brownsugar's defense, which you also allude to, there was the possibility of a Maywathe-Tszyu fight on the horizon. And to be fair, just because a formal offer was never sent doesn't mean there wasn't interest. Floyd wanted it.

But like Lou DiBella says, "sometimes guys just don't intersect."

And isn't funny how popularity -- or lack thereof -- sometimes obscures the reality of legacies?

Always found that fascinating.

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Radam G:

"Yep I agree with ya about the colors.

The sweet science is deep for sure.

I know FMJ is sly, but he made a comment that Chino was trying to cheat to beat him by using those Everlast MX gloves. That could make the company look frivolous itself."


Money May didn't say the name of the gloves. And he wouldn't because that is free publicity for that brand of glove. He simply said that Chino is unfairly trying to win against an "A-side fighter," and that was not going to happen. "He's going to wear the gloves that we tell him to.... Or it won't be a fight."

And like a man -- knowing that he didn't put it the contact -- Chino manned up and fought. And did okay. Lesson LEARNED! Put it in the contract. Or the champ is going to find an excuse to mess with you. It is call gaming. Controlling and throwing the first figurative punch. If you played slow, you don't get the first throw. And don't assume anything, just be in da know. Holla!

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amayseng:

"Don't let Money May play optical illusions on you. He never said that the gloves were "unsafe." He said that he was concerned about his safety. And Money May is tricking and dˇ˘king again. He didn't name of any glove provider "deliberately" issuing "unsafe glove($) to" "give Chino (and nobody else) an advantage."

It is a long-time fact in boxers that some fighters want gloves thick in leather and other fighters prefer gloves thick in padding.

Money May played Chino by Team Maidana's inattention blindness to put Chino's wanted type of gloves in the contract before the bout. In boxing, everything is negotiable and should be agreed upon in the contract before the bout. Or one fighter -- "especially the so-called A fighter -- can pull out.

The game is not only seedy, shady, sleazy and sneaky, it is straight weird to those who are not in it and/or in da know. And how weird and petty to those in it and should know it.

One thing that you will notice in boxing, is that you hardly ever see an opponent wearing orange or brown trunks. I use to make sure that it was in my contract that they would not.

More people don't know syet about the mystic powers of colors. Fighters, who already move around slow, are slowed down even more and are what boxers call "mind f**ked by those two colors. And don't even know it. [Why do you think that prisoners are dressed in orange in the penitentiary? And officers -- even in the military -- wear brown the world over. Because it is a way of controlling and throwing around power on slow arses. I shyt you not.

Take note how the color of all gloves was once brown. Slow-arse boxers have halted that. They didn't and don't want an opponent wearing brown-or-orange colored gloves if they can prevent it. Those the-in-coming gloves slow slow-moving boxers down even more and mind f**ked them and make them unable to concentrate and flow. Don't take my word for ask the experts. Ask Everlast why it quit making brown gloves. Ask the Olympic Committee of every country why was brown-colored gloves halted of usage in the O-games.

Boxing is known as "the sweet science." And you can bet your arse that it is. The science of things that would not even cross your mind in a zillion years are in this game.

There are optical illusions and tricks of the trade everywhere. Don't get mind f**ked by 'em. Follow the science and follow the money. And you will see the light. Ain't nuffin' but a fight. Holla!"



Yep I agree with ya about the colors.

The sweet science is deep for sure.

I know FMJ is sly, but he made a comment that Chino was trying to cheat to beat him by using those Everlast MX gloves. That could make the company look frivolous itself.

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Radam G:

I actually understood what all the fuss was about in Pacquiao-Marquez I. Marquez was lucky to get a draw, though he won the most rounds. -- 7-4-1, Da Manny won the fight by points.

Fight fans always want their pug to get the verdict based on the most rounds won and will always bytch. But the game is based on a point system -- not a round one.

In Fight II, Da Manny won the most rounds -- 6-5-1 -- and got a knockdown for two extra points. So he won on points.

In Bout III Da Manny won 7 round to five. And Nacho had Marquez thinking that he was winning, so Marquez gave the last two rounds away with a bytch-arse prevent defense. Thus Marquez lost on points.

In Fight IV, Hulkquez showed up and was getting his arse handed to him, so Marquez showed up, stepped on the ˘o©ksure PacMan's foot and lotto KHTFO. Da Manny was winning on point.

There will no Bout V. If so, Hulkquez/Marquez is getting KTFO. Holla!

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dino da vinci:

"The word "legendary" is over-used, but not in Chargin's case. He's 86 years old now, which makes him older than fellow octogenarians Arum and King, and apparently still very sharp. I can't imagine that any promoter ever staged as many fan-friendly fights."



Certainly one of three or four names I would have considered. Should have announced it sooner. All in all a great choice.

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Radam G:

"KT is doing well as a trainer. He set himself up with some good investments so he is OK with money. Check out some of his old school training techniques. www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGLREiLDH0"

Thanks for revealing that, D2. When I've told haters that is what boxers do -- old skool turning and burning, such as spinning in circles, catching coins instead of chasing chicken -- Big Screen Rocky syet -- and punching through even newspaper, the hater caught tudes. Holla!

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Radam G:

The act has accomplished nothing. Things are going as usual. Holla!

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ArneK.:

The word "legendary" is over-used, but not in Chargin's case. He's 86 years old now, which makes him older than fellow octogenarians Arum and King, and apparently still very sharp. I can't imagine that any promoter ever staged as many fan-friendly fights.

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The Shadow:

Floyd Mayweather-Jose Luis Castillo I. As is often the case, myth has overtaken reality with that one.

Bernard Hopkins-Joe Calzaghe when I initially watched it. I thought Joe won pretty handily. I've since changed a bit but that's what I thought at the time.

Hopkins-Dawson.

It was a MD for Chad but I think that was a clear victory for Bernard. People were just so ready for him to be gone (especially after the first stinker where they thought Bernard faked it) that they saw that fight entirely from Dawson's vantage point.

Hopkins was quicker, stronger, smarter -- almost everything they said Dawson would be. But when you watch a fight from the perspective of one guy, then you can usually see what you want.

To this day, people will insist Dawson won with ease. I did watch it extremely closely -- which I doubt few others we dare lol -- and I thought of it as a clear Hopkins victory, even though there was a lot of fuss about the draw card.

Of course the Canelo-Lara fight. I don't get that at all. Dandy Landy was acting all hard at the weigh-in and the staredown with his head tilted like he was gonna do something.

"I wanna break his face," he said. Yeah, right. From sweating maybe. I'm sure Canelo was struggling to keep up.

Other than that, I can't think of too many.

Maybe Roy Jones vs Samsung Park (forgot his exact name) in the Olympic finals. Didn't see what the fuss was about. The Korean clearly gave him that work. Everybody knows what time it is.

Xenophobia ran wild like Hulkamania. Shoulda been Parkamania. But the '88 Olympics were riddled in scandal. This was no different.

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Radam G:

"Canelo-Lara comes straight to mind but we have covered that one enough.

The one I vividly remember was De La Hoya-Mosley II. I had Mosley winning and the HBO commentating crew thought De La Hoya was the clear winner. I remember going late into the fight the announcers talking about Mosley certainly needing a knockout and even discussing the possibility of a rubber match to settle the score. I questioned myself about how I was seeing the fight while watching it and doubted my score at the end. But the judges had it similar and of course with Mosley the winner. This was also before twitter and social media so I had to wait to see what others thought. As time went on, started to see that more and more people saw the fight like I did.

I am sure there were others but can't recall right now off the top of my head."


Maybe it was because of the pre-fight hatred of Big Money O being called the "Bill Gates of boxing." All type of haters wanted BMO beat down. So they saw what they wanted. Instead of what was. I too saw BMO winning. But each to his own. And own psyche. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I am with D2, the way FMJ talks is that Everlast provided a deliberately made unsafe glove to give Chino an advantage, an unsafe one at that the way FMJ says this could lead to terminal consequences.



If I was Everlast I would drop paperwork in today for a lawsuit. Just to shut him up."




Don't let Money May play optical illusions on you. He never said that the gloves were "unsafe." He said that he was concerned about his safety. And Money May is tricking and dˇ˘king again. He didn't name of any glove provider "deliberately" issuing "unsafe glove($) to" "give Chino (and nobody else) an advantage."



It is a long-time fact in boxers that some fighters want gloves thick in leather and other fighters prefer gloves thick in padding.



Money May played Chino by Team Maidana's inattention blindness to put Chino's wanted type of gloves in the contract before the bout. In boxing, everything is negotiable and should be agreed upon in the contract before the bout. Or one fighter -- "especially the so-called A fighter -- can pull out.



The game is not only seedy, shady, sleazy and sneaky, it is straight weird to those who are not in it and/or in da know. And how weird and petty to those in it and should know it.



One thing that you will notice in boxing, is that you hardly ever see an opponent wearing orange or brown trunks. I use to make sure that it was in my contract that they would not.



More people don't know syet about the mystic powers of colors. Fighters, who already move around slow, are slowed down even more and are what boxers call "mind f**ked by those two colors. And don't even know it. [Why do you think that prisoners are dressed in orange in the penitentiary? And officers -- even in the military -- wear brown the world over. Because it is a way of controlling and throwing around power on slow arses. I shyt you not.



Take note how the color of all gloves was once brown. Slow-arse boxers have halted that. They didn't and don't want an opponent wearing brown-or-orange colored gloves if they can prevent it. Those the-in-coming gloves slow slow-moving boxers down even more and mind f**ked them and make them unable to concentrate and flow. Don't take my word for ask the experts. Ask Everlast why it quit making brown gloves. Ask the Olympic Committee of every country why was brown-colored gloves halted of usage in the O-games.



Boxing is known as "the sweet science." And you can bet your arse that it is. The science of things that would not even cross your mind in a zillion years are in this game.



There are optical illusions and tricks of the trade everywhere. Don't get mind f**ked by 'em. Follow the science and follow the money. And you will see the light. Ain't nuffin' but a fight. Holla!

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brownsugar:

"I would really like to go to this fight but ....but I really rather see it . No fight party, no friends over to sit with and argue and yell at when they bring a cigar inside. This is a fight that I want to turn up the volume sit next to my wife (who loves the fight game) and sit back and see every move these guys make on HD while drinking a Cold beer or two. No phone , no guests to worry about, No distractions. Going to a fight live is great but I miss the little things no matter how close I sit. Its totally worth going to a fight live,dress up , have a nice dinner, drinks, enjoy the crowd and be part of the event but in the case there is no place I rather be besides home with the wife yelling at the TV.

GGG sold out the Theater last time I went but its smaller then the main room at the Garden. If GGG was fighting Peter Q or Danny Jacobs it would be a sell out. No one in NY knows who Geale is and he has made no noise that I have heard. The hospital I work for sent out emails that they are giving some tickets away to the Garcia fight so the ticket sales for that must be terrible. They are giving tickets away at my job. I have never seen this before. Concerts and plays, yes. Boxing, no."


Right I just hope he doesn't take his business over seas like Klitschko did.

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ArneK.:

It's no surprise that ticket sales have been sluggish. An Australian vs. a guy from Kazakhstan doesn't tap into the tribal loyalties that have propelled boxing throughout its history. Moreover, the odds are lopsided in favor of GGG.

Oubabcat passes along useful information when he mentions that Perez weighed in at 242, a "compact" 242 as one report has it. Looking at his record I noticed an oddity. Two of his wins occurred on the same date. Yes, he appeared in two different bouts on the same show. We don't see that much around these parts anymore.

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oubobcat:

Canelo-Lara comes straight to mind but we have covered that one enough.

The one I vividly remember was De La Hoya-Mosley II. I had Mosley winning and the HBO commentating crew thought De La Hoya was the clear winner. I remember going late into the fight the announcers talking about Mosley certainly needing a knockout and even discussing the possibility of a rubber match to settle the score. I questioned myself about how I was seeing the fight while watching it and doubted my score at the end. But the judges had it similar and of course with Mosley the winner. This was also before twitter and social media so I had to wait to see what others thought. As time went on, started to see that more and more people saw the fight like I did.

I am sure there were others but can't recall right now off the top of my head.

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deepwater2:

KT is doing well as a trainer. He set himself up with some good investments so he is OK with money. Check out some of his old school training techniques. www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGLREiLDH0

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amayseng:

I am with D2, the way FMJ talks is that Everlast provided a deliberately made unsafe glove to give Chino an advantage, an unsafe one at that the way FMJ says this could lead to terminal consequences.

If I was Everlast I would drop paperwork in today for a lawsuit. Just to shut him up.

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Skibbz:

Well it certainly wouldn't be Provodnikov Algieri or Provodnikov Bradley...

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Skibbz:

Fair point D2. If GGG fights in Europe again I will be going, unless he decides to make the Gardens is new home then I guess i'll have to hop the pond for a big fight. Geale is in for some seriously hard leather and I think he knows it. Can't wait.

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Skibbz:

Nice comment Brownsugar, I see why there's so much appeal in the middleweight division and I love it myself too. Do you think there are more techinical fighters in the lightweight/welterweight divisions than in the middleweight division?

I think it can be argued.. But I guess you're right, it's small enough to be mobile and agile, yet big enough to stagger or drop a heavyweight. Well said.

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Skibbz:

You put your argument forward perfectly Stormcentre, very informed, it was a pleasure to read.

Anyone know how Kostya is getting on in Moscow these days? Would be a delight to know.

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deepwater2:

"I heard they only sold 5500 of 9000 tickets. ..... New Yorkers can be such ingrates.....

Nothing personal against the real boxing fans of course. ....why is that fight not an instant sell out ?

Maybe sales will pick up on fight night."




I would really like to go to this fight but ....but I really rather see it . No fight party, no friends over to sit with and argue and yell at when they bring a cigar inside. This is a fight that I want to turn up the volume sit next to my wife (who loves the fight game) and sit back and see every move these guys make on HD while drinking a Cold beer or two. No phone , no guests to worry about, No distractions. Going to a fight live is great but I miss the little things no matter how close I sit. Its totally worth going to a fight live,dress up , have a nice dinner, drinks, enjoy the crowd and be part of the event but in the case there is no place I rather be besides home with the wife yelling at the TV.



GGG sold out the Theater last time I went but its smaller then the main room at the Garden. If GGG was fighting Peter Q or Danny Jacobs it would be a sell out. No one in NY knows who Geale is and he has made no noise that I have heard. The hospital I work for sent out emails that they are giving some tickets away to the Garcia fight so the ticket sales for that must be terrible. They are giving tickets away at my job. I have never seen this before. Concerts and plays, yes. Boxing, no.

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deepwater2:

No way don't do it. Only room for one Alpha at a time. Big mistake.

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oubobcat:

"I heard they only sold 5500 of 9000 tickets. ..... New Yorkers can be such ingrates.....
Nothing personal against the real boxing fans of course. ....why is that fight not an instant sell out ?
Maybe sales will pick up on fight night."


That's what the rumors are right now. It doesn't see ticket sales are as brisk as some had hoped.

On another weigh in related note, Mike Perez came in at 242. He normally fights in the 230 range and was 231 for his last fight against Takam. It has to at least make you wonder about his conditioning some for this fight. As the old saying goes "The scale does not lie."

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stormcentre:

"I will ride shotgun with the Strom that Ko Tszyu was in a whole different league as an amateur over 3g. They don't compare.

Same in the pros. But 3g is one bad muthascooper that can whup all the present-day middleweights with ease. But they are a bunch of weak double jive turkeys. Three g is a one-man murder row. But cannot attract butts in seats. So out of the top money and opportunities, his arse the greedy keeps. Holla!"


That is a more accurate description of 3G.

Make no mistake the boy can bang, but he is no cutie and he has NOT accomplished what Kostya has.

Nowhere near it, as the proof shows.

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Radam G:

I will ride shotgun with the Strom that Ko Tszyu was in a whole different league as an amateur over 3g. They don't compare.

Same in the pros. But 3g is one bad muthascooper that can whup all the present-day middleweights with ease. But they are a bunch of weak double jive turkeys. Three g is a one-man murder row. But cannot attract butts in seats. So out of the top money and opportunities, his arse the greedy keeps. Holla!

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Gennady Golovkin is slated on Saturday evening to fight, on paper, perhaps the stiffest test since he turned pro 2006, Daniel Geale. That defense of his middleweight crowns takes place at Madison Square Garden, and will be offered on HBO, to subscribers of that premium fare network. TSS has learned that the 32-year-old fighter from Kazhkstan broke training on Wednesday, for a jaunt into New York City. Sorry, though, Geale fans, I don’t have reports of Golovkin skirt-chasing in some downtown pub, or doing a taste test of tequila brands at...

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