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Radam G:

"Also . . at heavyweight there wasn't really a weight limit for him to make was there?



So, then we can never really tell if Mike hit the weight his strength and conditioning coach would be fired/hired for.



Your thoughts?"




For every human, there is maximum and minimum weight to get superb performance. And it comes from the proper foods to click with the mind which controls it all.



Iron Mike learnt this from his late, great trainer Cus D'Amato and always got to the weight limit to maximumize his killa instinct and performance.



Iron Mike - as all the great heavyweights - was within that limit 98 percent of the time. When he wasn't, he and the world saw it.



And a heavyweight can be a fat, fat slob. But it tells on him. And shows the lack of commitment versus when one is at his proper maximum, effective fighting weight.



Just imagine how great Tony Tubbs and Riddick Bowe could have been if they had weight-limit-maximum-performance respect.



As you know, the mind controlled the body to give its best performance. But if you jive the mind with bad food and water and no sunshine and moonshine, you get a lethargic performance from enlarged body, and a drunken-on-bad-syet brain. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Also . . at heavyweight there wasn't really a weight limit for him to make was there?

So, then we can never really tell if Mike hit the weight his strength and conditioning coach would be fired/hired for.

Your thoughts?

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Radam G:

Iron Mike was mean, crazy and lazy until you got him into camp, where he was a vicious, hard-working murderer. And he never had a weight or fight problem because of that type of commitment except when going into the Buster Douglas Bout. He had an inexperienced trainer, drug pushers and pimps in that camp. And your saw what happened.

Getting Mike into camp was a problem. But once you got him there -- two, three, four, five, six weeks -- he was all pug business and had high regards and respect of his selective trainers.

His problems were outside of training camps. Nowadays sorry, lazy pugs run the camps and tell the trainers what they are going to do. This type of syet was unheard of back in the day. You don't tell a trainer what you are and ain't gonna to do. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Far out man . . . I am feeling the love here.

From my early humble beginnings when TSS was all Patrick Keoh, red and white on the homy-page, and my alias was "Steve" - to being reincarnated as a StormCentre (or Stromcentre as RG puts it {it's OK - I'm laughing and having fun}) with the forum post-count clock wound right back to zero, right through to now where we're all putting it down on the street, good and hard; it's been fun.

OMG . . I am finally significant.

1000 posts.

Still, that's nothing as soon BS will be hitting 5000, and Radam G will be knocking on the door of 10K posts.

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The Commish:

Way to go, Storm. Keep 'em coming.

And to Schteeeve, you, too. Keep 'em coming. Less lurking, more posting.

-Randy G

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brownsugar:

"As an adjunct, (I think) it's important (when considering if a tune up fight prior to a hypothetical 3G fight is warranted) to realise the risks, and also the mindset Ward may be in going into a hypothetical 3G fight, particularly without a tune up fight.

A) He knows Goossen Tutor are aware that the last significant thing he did with Dan was, arguably (in GT's eyes) uncalled for litigation.

B) He knows he will not call all the negotiating shots going in - which serve as a very good psychological advantage, including how they position your opponent with the "opponent" mentality.

C) He knows, or could justifiably believe, GT are - with the hypothetical 3G fight - looking to cash out on him.

D) He has not proven a full recovery at the elite level yet.

E) He knows Gennady can capitalise on one mistake and turn it into a (at the elite level) career ending KO.

F) He knows the Golovkin fights and KO's guy regularly.

G) He knows he doesn't fight regularly and doesn't always KO guys.

H) He knows the networks will be viewing him cautiously after the HBO and GT contractual episodes and disputes.

I) He knows HBO have invested a lot of time and money into 3G, and no-one likes to see their investments go to waste.

J) He knows Dan Goossen was widely respected amongst the managerial, promotional and network fraternities, and that his arbitration/court results may have not bought him (Ward that is) many friends/favours in many of those circles - particularly those that believe contracted fighters should do as their management request.

K) He knows that some will see his actions having a final and/or additional impact on Dan's struggles.

Thats a heck of a lot more pressure and possible paranoia for a fighter to carry into a hypothetical 3G, or any, fight.

By comparison, SRL suffered from a detached retina and was (after some argy bargy with various Doctors) later cleared to fight; all within his layoff.

He entered the Hagler fight as, narrowly, the main draw and favourite, and he had no such managerial/promotional issues as those that plague a fighter, are above-mentioned, and related to Ward.

Best to have a tune up fight in my opinion and, if for no other reason, see how all your business contacts treat and respond to you; before signing for someone they have already invested in and consider to be your (revenue/financial) replacement.

I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.

Ward would be crazy to;

A) Endure serious surgery.

B) Remain steadfast about what he believes in, at such a high cost (in many ways).

C) Go through all the he and Dan represented these last few years and recently also, including Dan's unfortunate demise.

D) Hold out for this long and be so stubborn on so many fronts.

And then after it all, say "what the heck" I won't bother about a tune up fight to see where the business and other minds - if not my own elite level skills - really are.

Remember;

A) The most powerful influence in boxing is not the fighter; it's money, networks and promoters.

B) Look at what people do - not what they say.

I am sure Ward - with all his experience in amateur and professional boxing - knows this."



That's a very good synopsis of Wards current status ...hypothetically speaking and probably mirrors a lot of the real truth in Ward's life.

I think the addition of the Muhammad Ali Act Lawsuit filed by Team Ward , although seemingly invalid was a legal way for Ward to express how desperate he was to obtain his release from his contract with GT.

I also dont think Ward will be too hard on himself regarding Dan's tragic and untimely death because a promoters lifestyle is as inherently stressful as being a bill collector, a bounty hunter or a Hollywood agent. Stress always comes with the territory when the nature of a business is essentially "peddling flesh".

Cancer occurs when a persons body essentially turns on itself. .....the disease undergoes a process that usually takes years to manifest its self.
I'm just mentioning this because I believe Ward has a clear conscious.

Ward was respectful and never attacked " the person" of Dan G..... So I don't believe Ward is harboring any guilt because of the way he conducted himself.

And there certainly hasn't been any nonsense by Ward or any other people of the Christian faith claiming that GOD "moved" Dan G. out of Wards way. If that were true a lot of promoters wouldn't be here today.

But what's unclear is GT's intent to keep Ward busy.

It was my understanding that Ward was supposed to be fighting at the end of the year but nothing has been said whether or not GT and Team Ward are even working together in a productive way or if GT just intends to keep Ward on the bench until his contract runs out.

Don King kept Kotelnick from fighting so long he just voluntarily retired.

There are still a lot of questions left to be answered about Ward's situation that I hope get resolved soon.

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Schteeeve:

More of a lurker than a contributor but I'll come out of the closet, so to speak, to congratulate STORMCENTRE, the voice of reason here at TSS.

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brownsugar:

"Yes, you're right BS, especially about Jack.



He should be a little more cautious, but then I guess time will tell.



I suppose another significant loss on Shane's record to really signpost that his time has passed will not (hopefully) hurt Shane in a permanent sense too much.



One thing though; I am really surprised that Shane never developed a fighting style more like Toney, Bernard or Floyd.



One that both, has more defensive attributes to it, and is not almost totally reliant upon reflexes."




Exactly...

Shane's offense is looking pretty feeble theses days...at one time his formidable offense was his defense.

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stormcentre:

Yes, you're right BS, especially about Jack.



He should be a little more cautious, but then I guess time will tell.



I suppose another significant loss on Shane's record to really signpost that his time has passed will not (hopefully) hurt Shane in a permanent sense too much.



One thing though; I am really surprised that Shane never developed a fighting style more like Toney, Bernard or Floyd.



One that both, has more defensive attributes to it, and is not almost totally reliant upon reflexes.

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dino da vinci:

Gize a monsta!

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brownsugar:

The thing that is so bizarre is that Shane's own father is encouraging the move.
Sometimes a fighter loses...But To find an excuse for every loss is an extremely irresponsible form of denial that will have negative consequences if Shane continues to fight.

From the outside looking in... it makes Shane's father look like a delusional parasite.
Like a Hollywood mom pushing her offspring into show business to benefit their own bank account

The fighter.... I can understand. Its human nature for men to lie to themselves when their best days have sailed past the rearview mirror.

You would expect Jack Mosely to argue on the side of common sense.

Boxers like Mayweather Paq, Bhop, and WK have all adapted their styles to coincide with their physical capabilities. As long as they can keep the fight within those parameters they almost appear to get better with age....unless of course they get a Maidana like challenge....someone who pushes them to the extreme which doesn't happen too often.

But Shane has not made any such adaptations ... His jab is still a pawing jingly afterthought and when he finishes unloading the right hand it takes another round or two for it to fully recharge.

He's replaced good lateral movement with excessive holding and his once inpenetrable chin has more dents than a wrecked ford Pinto.(with the bad fuel tank)

When a fighter of his former HOF calibur gets clowned by Anthony Mundine who himself was easily defeated by a comebacking Clottey...he should know what time it is.

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brownsugar:

Solid posting Storm...keep it up.

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stormcentre:

Thank you - thank you.

Thanks for the big-up RG.

Thanks everyone else that has and is about to acknowledge the "one grand" post-mark.

It's all good fun.

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flackoguapo:

I always enjoy the breakdowns...Congrats Storm! very articulate and insightful (and his parentheses game stays ON)

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brownsugar:

"Ev'ybodee and dey momma and dey dog "Snotty Sporty" are poets until the poetic arse thrashing and invisibility crashing.



S-Ko is going to get swatted worse than that last dude. He too was supposed to shut the Alien down. But the Alien made him look like a pathetic clown. Get ready to start laughing -- or maybe not. But either way, S-Ko will have the tears of a clown. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVceKdx1UY. Holla!"




Well RG ..

I have no further words to contribute until after the fight.... May the best man win...enjoy the fight.

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stormcentre:

"Yes I was aware of his detached retina, but for the most part SRL got to deal with that on/in his break and it had no noticeable impact in the Hagler fight.

SRL also got to call many of the shots in the lead up to the Hagler fight, and I suspect that would not be the case if 3G and Ward fought.

But, yes good points RG."


As an adjunct, (I think) it's important (when considering if a tune up fight prior to a hypothetical 3G fight is warranted) to realise the risks, and also the mindset Ward may be in going into a hypothetical 3G fight, particularly without a tune up fight.

A) He knows Goossen Tutor are aware that the last significant thing he did with Dan was, arguably (in GT's eyes) uncalled for litigation.

B) He knows he will not call all the negotiating shots going in - which serve as a very good psychological advantage, including how they position your opponent with the "opponent" mentality.

C) He knows, or could justifiably believe, GT are - with the hypothetical 3G fight - looking to cash out on him.

D) He has not proven a full recovery at the elite level yet.

E) He knows Gennady can capitalise on one mistake and turn it into a (at the elite level) career ending KO.

F) He knows the Golovkin fights and KO's guy regularly.

G) He knows he doesn't fight regularly and doesn't always KO guys.

H) He knows the networks will be viewing him cautiously after the HBO and GT contractual episodes and disputes.

I) He knows HBO have invested a lot of time and money into 3G, and no-one likes to see their investments go to waste.

J) He knows Dan Goossen was widely respected amongst the managerial, promotional and network fraternities, and that his arbitration/court results may have not bought him (Ward that is) many friends/favours in many of those circles - particularly those that believe contracted fighters should do as their management request.

K) He knows that some will see his actions having a final and/or additional impact on Dan's struggles.

Thats a heck of a lot more pressure and possible paranoia for a fighter to carry into a hypothetical 3G, or any, fight.

By comparison, SRL suffered from a detached retina and was (after some argy bargy with various Doctors) later cleared to fight; all within his layoff.

He entered the Hagler fight as, narrowly, the main draw and favourite, and he had no such managerial/promotional issues as those that plague a fighter, are above-mentioned, and related to Ward.

Best to have a tune up fight in my opinion and, if for no other reason, see how all your business contacts treat and respond to you; before signing for someone they have already invested in and consider to be your (revenue/financial) replacement.

I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.

Ward would be crazy to;

A) Endure serious surgery.

B) Remain steadfast about what he believes in, at such a high cost (in many ways).

C) Go through all the he and Dan represented these last few years and recently also, including Dan's unfortunate demise.

D) Hold out for this long and be so stubborn on so many fronts.

And then after it all, say "what the heck" I won't bother about a tune up fight to see where the business and other minds - if not my own elite level skills - really are.

Remember;

A) The most powerful influence in boxing is not the fighter; it's money, networks and promoters.

B) Look at what people do - not what they say.

I am sure Ward - with all his experience in amateur and professional boxing - knows this.

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stormcentre:

OK, I think you mean, how do you provide the link to a specific post without having to necessarily get to the thread and its page first.

OK . . here goes.

See the little white hashtag number on the top right of every post, that indicates what numbered post it is for any given thread?

This one is #29

Aside from the content, and regardless of the website, most forum software applications are basically the same. The one Dino has chosen is a good one as they're quite reliable, but more importantly user friendly.

In order to provide administrative and other house keeping functions thread, thread/post numbers, and user/post numbers must be captured.

If you click on the above-mentioned little white hashtag number on the top right of every post . . . you will (stay on the same page, but also) notice that the URL (previously containing the websites’ address and both the forum thread name and thread’s page number) now changes.

Now it is now suffixed with a unique user/forum post ID tag - instead of being suffixed with the aforementioned thread’s page number that was tagged to the end of the websites’ address and forum thread name.

Suck that URL up into your buffer, and then use it where you like.

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stormcentre:

"I want to know what he means by starting to feel the short posts..."

:)

I'm telling you man . . . strange things start happening after an alien abduction - whether or not Toney is at the spacecraft's helm and there is a built in buffet table governed by the one and only Jimmy Lennon (what hope does he really have at keeping Toney at bay if Randy G can't).

Nulla, none, nil.

Keep rocking boxing lovers.

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dino da vinci:

"What do you mean "link to a specific comment" Shadow?"



I want to know what he means by starting to feel the short posts...

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stormcentre:

"Good comment, Storm. I like your scientific dissertations but I'm starting to feel the short posts, too. Kinda like a Vine to a YouTube vid.

Btw, how do you link to a specific comment?"


What do you mean "link to a specific comment" Shadow?

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stormcentre:

"Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager.

OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe!

Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words.

The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets.

Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago.

Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him?

Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs.

Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way.

NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!"


Yes I was aware of his detached retina, but for the most part SRL got to deal with that on/in his break and it had no noticeable impact in the Hagler fight.

SRL also got to call many of the shots in the lead up to the Hagler fight, and I suspect that would not be the case if 3G and Ward fought.

But, yes good points RG.

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Radam G:

I just know that I'm at this scrap in my former life. I hope that I spot myself. Hehe! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55AasOJZzDE. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Shane and Jack, looking to comeback.

Neither want to say it's over and I understand that.

Shane (and I do respect his overall body of work and fight anyone attitude) for quite a long time has had no meaningful defence or jab, and that combined with minimal head movement and a slightly diminished stamina has caused him issues.

His counterpunching reflexes are also obviously slower.

And when you add it all up with the level that Shane will almost immediately try and get back to, it won't be too good for Shane unless he choses his opponents carefully - which he could successfully do for a while.

Mosley would be (at least) a light middleweight now, and as such a "name" for 3G.

There you go.

If not then imagine Shane Mosley V Joshua Clottey.

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stormcentre:

"I'm definitely riding, riding, RIDIINNNGGGG shotgun with you on fining trainers for letting their pugs come in overweight. And these so-called strength-and-condition coaches should be expelled for a year or so for letting the pugs come in dirty and still not make weight. Holla!"

Provided the fighter actually turns up for sessions and is willing to burn calories, the idea of a punitive arrangement for the coach and trainer "might" make sense.

But I doubt you would get many straight strength and conditioning coaches signing a contract like that - and getting them to sign is the only way to hold them accountable.

In essence, how can one guy (the strength and conditioning coach) be held responsible for another guy's (the fighter's) physical activity?

How would you design that contract in law and expect it to meaningfully and successfully operate.

Such current/previous non-legal (strength and conditioning) arrangements that have similar amounts of expectation, responsibility, results and performance associated with them, are more than likely one reason why PEDs have become widespread and regularly associated with strength and conditioning coaches.

Strength coaches (as it usually and legally stands today) provide the routine and motivation - and if they're legitimate - not the energy and willingness for the fighter to perform that given routine; as the the energy, dedication and willingness must come from the fighter.

The hope is, that by frequently performing the routine(s) with the strength and conditioning coaches the energy and willingness for the fighter to perform those said routines will increase.

But that is not always the case, and I can't see how a strength and conditioning coach can be held responsible for an athlete's dedication and other issues.

I remember many of Tyson's coaches and trainers having issues controlling him, particularly in his prime.

Like you're going to be able to tell a guy like that when/what to do, particularly if he has other ideas.

Many of Mike's experienced trainers and strength and/or conditioning coaches had real problems with Mike in this sense, and I should imagine the same may apply for Toney.

Mike was such a mean MoFo back then, even if you came home and caught him in bed with your partner - rather than adopt the typical response - instead, you'd probably tuck him in and ask him if, whilst in bed, he wanted a cup of tea and biscuits after he had finished his strength and conditioning routine.

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Pazuzu:

"Sure.



Try the 0.45 mark of; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_IPGpBlYs



3G states; "he (Ward) is too much for me right now"."




He sure does. Thanks stormcentre.



GGG's fists wreck enough havoc in the ring against other middleweights that he doesn't need to talk trash. The results speak for themselves. I like it. He's in a good place right now. No need to push it. 168 will come when it makes sense.

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deepwater2:

A round of applause for GBP. Great card. Lemieux is an exciting KO artist but Rubio came back and stopped him. The guy is fun to watch but he has some holes in his game which makes him fun to watch. If Lemieux can look spectacular knocking GR out then he has some big things ahead of him.I see a matchup against Canelo for Lemieux rather than GGG. Canelo will fight GGG one day.

Either way its good to see GBP reaching out ,making good fights and getting back on HBO.

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The Shadow:

"Ward would be insane to come off his layoff, drop weight and fight 3G.

Abel Sanchez knows this, because his charge (3G) would be taking risks challenging Ward at Ward's natural weight.

There is a recent video out there on the InterWeb somewhere, that has Gennady Golovkin saying (in response to a question about him fighting Andre) that Ward is too much for him right now.

Read into that what you will.

I say, after a good tune up, and at Ward's weight (a weight that Sanchez and Golovkin have said they will easily fight at), Ward gives 3G real issues.

3G has not fought anyone in professional boxing with Ward's skills; let alone without the weight advantage that 3G usually employs at light middleweight.

It will be interesting to see - if Andre Ward and Gennady Golovkin do eventually fight - how;

A) Ward deals with 3G's power (if it exists in the same quantity up at Ward's weight).

B) How Gennady Golovkin deals with Ward's skills and experience.

Hopefully, time will tell."


Good comment, Storm. I like your scientific dissertations but I'm starting to feel the short posts, too. Kinda like a Vine to a YouTube vid.

Btw, how do you link to a specific comment?

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The Shadow:

"No doubt that 2k, 3k or whatever k that he is, is hyped to da maximum power time 19. Who in the heck is designating these pugs as the second comings of King Kong or Mighty Joe Youngs nowadays?

B-Hop may be an Alien, but S-Ko is no absolute beast. Maybe he should go back east. And eat himself a little yeast.

Dude is straight-up bosking raw. And he will not be able to handle the Alien's quick draw! The Alien is going to set him on fire. Sorry! But S-Ko is the latest perpetrating-a-fraud man of straw. And that stuff should be against the law. Hehehe! Holla!"


Exactly. #MikeTysonSyndrome

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Radam G:

"Agreed, That's the way you would think it would be for everybody.... With the athlete being the most self conscious one .... weighing himself whenever he could and having a few sets of scales at home.

I dropped 17lbs in one day and 13 lbs another time. But this was considered normal.. And no one had to preach to me... The hardest part for me was accepting that i've grown into a higher weight class and building up the strength for the heavier division.

Losing weight should be a lifestyle of its own at the professional level."


Not putting on that type of crazy weight is a better lifestyle. The old skoolers did it that way. They had the complete control, or out of the door, a fat would roll. Holla!

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Radam G:

"brownsugar, you are a poet and I didn't know it !"



Ev'ybodee and dey momma and dey dog "Snotty Sporty" are poets until the poetic arse thrashing and invisibility crashing.



S-Ko is going to get swatted worse than that last dude. He too was supposed to shut the Alien down. But the Alien made him look like a pathetic clown. Get ready to start laughing -- or maybe not. But either way, S-Ko will have the tears of a clown. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVceKdx1UY. Holla!

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It's been 40 years since Muhammad Ali 44-2 (31) upset the boxing world as a 3-1 underdog and knocked out undisputed heavyweight champion George Foreman 40-0 (37) in the eighth round to become only the second fighter in history to reclaim the heavyweight title. Today, Ali, 72 and Foreman, 65, are America's guest whenever they appear in public. With all the years and the passage of time, most have forgotten just how big of an event and fight Foreman-Ali was back on Oct. 29, 1974. Through the years there's been so much discussed pertaining to...

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HOPKINS: "Kovalev Is A Threat To Anybody, It Won't Be An Easy Fight

BERNARD HOPKINS PHILADELPHIA MEDIA WORKOUT PHILADELPHIA (Oct. 28, 2014) - With just a little over a week until fight night, Bernard "The Alien" Hopkins worked out in front of a packed media contingent that traveled from far and wide to see the 49-year-old ageless light heavyweight champion train for his Saturday, Nov. 8 light unification bout against Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City live on HBO World Championship Boxing®. President and founder of Golden Boy Promotions, Oscar De La Hoya was also in attendance to...

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