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Radam G:

"Is it a double standard for Pep and SRR to be appreciated for their craft and Floyd be condemned for doing the same?


Well no one had to pay 80$ for a ppv to watch Pep and SRR hold, stall and pot shot a win.


I will say this, the second time I watched Floyd Chino 2 (and I have yet to finish it) it has been less boring than I officially thought. Why I am not so sure, maybe because fight one had so much more action with Chino pushing the pace. The rematch game plan failed."


Hehehehe! You are cold, man! They didn't have the technology back then to see syet. Ninety percent of the population never saw a fight. They just heard it own radio.

Those days and times were the era of ear witnesses. Now we are in a time of eye witnesses with inattentional blindness like a mofu. Possibly ninety percent of the nowadays-see audience is inattentionally blinded. People ought to pay to see, not look! Holla!

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MCM:

Amber Waves of Pain --I love it.



Forget about what's probable, I want to think about what's possible. And a megafight in Nebraska is just the kind of thing that could capture hearts and minds. Look at how Lebron's return to Cleveland ignited imaginations: people long for a return of the old-fashioned Hometown Story. Boxing can separate itself from other sports in just this fashion: most basketball, football players etc have no real connection to the cities they play for. But, boxing has always been about the home-town kid. Enough with Vegas megafights (Mayweather excused). I want fights in Buffalo, Omaha, Pittsburgh, and Cincy (thanks, AB).



Just have to make sure Crawford gets by Beltran first --I think he will, in what I hope is the fight of the year.



Champagne at the Golden Corral!

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The Shadow:

There are conflicting reports, though. The guy who reported it is a Pacquiao homer with no equal, which is understandable since he's from the same country. SO nothing wrong with that.

But Ariza himself mentioned that it was only an NDA, which is far from a contract to work. Maybe he's just keeping him on so Pacquiao can't use him, sort of like Tom Hauser how was a "consultant" to HBO.

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The Shadow:

Supposedly, definitely, absolutely and probably.

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The Commish:

"Salido is a slow starter who gets better as the fight progresses. While he frequently finds himself on the canvas, he is incredibly resilient and always seems to weather the storm and get back into the action. Against Mikey Garcia, he was down 4 times (though he was coming on at the end), and was nearly knocked out by Juan Manuel Lopez in their second match. Filipino Weng “Baliangao Thunder” Haya had him down twice before being waxed in 2011. In 2010, Yuriorkis Gamboa had him on the floor twice on his way to a UD victory. In March 2014, Vasyl Lomachenko came very close to ending matters in the last round but ran out of time."

That resiliency is part of what makes him so much fun to watch.

-Randy G.

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Kid Blast:

Frank, as much as I respect your opinions on boxing, I must disagree with you on this one. The only way this happens is if Pac looks terrible in his next two fights. I think Mayweather would rather go for 50-0. It's the same reason he is not a good closer. He simply is too cautionary.

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stormcentre:

"It probably was a tooth. Floyd and his whole family fixed their choppers long ago. Porcelain veneers . I don't think it hurts at all when one of those things breaks off and there is always the real tooth that is still underneath .

So Floyd isn't lying when he says his tooth didn't get knocked out ,his phony tooth did though. He will pop into the dentist, pop down $10,000 and walk out 20 minutes later with no problem.

People don't like Floyd because of his character and actions outside the ring. His personality is not entertaining,he doesn't sound original . His boxing style doesn't excite people enough. Floyd wants most fans to hate him so his business plan is working. It is what it is."


Not a bad summary of the state of play.

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deepwater2:

It probably was a tooth. Floyd and his whole family fixed their choppers long ago. Porcelain veneers . I don't think it hurts at all when one of those things breaks off and there is always the real tooth that is still underneath .

So Floyd isn't lying when he says his tooth didn't get knocked out ,his phony tooth did though. He will pop into the dentist, pop down $10,000 and walk out 20 minutes later with no problem.

People don't like Floyd because of his character and actions outside the ring. His personality is not entertaining,he doesn't sound original . His boxing style doesn't excite people enough. Floyd wants most fans to hate him so his business plan is working. It is what it is.

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Kid Blast:

Salido is a slow starter who gets better as the fight progresses. While he frequently finds himself on the canvas, he is incredibly resilient and always seems to weather the storm and get back into the action. Against Mikey Garcia, he was down 4 times (though he was coming on at the end), and was nearly knocked out by Juan Manuel Lopez in their second match. Filipino Weng "Baliangao Thunder" Haya had him down twice before being waxed in 2011. In 2010, Yuriorkis Gamboa had him on the floor twice on his way to a UD victory. In March 2014, Vasyl Lomachenko came very close to ending matters in the last round but ran out of time.

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deepwater2:

"The beauty of clinching? I think we have a different sense of aesthetics amigo..."



Clinching as a strategy is great when the other boxer lunges in and takes away your punching space.if you watch the greats they clinch and work on the inside when the other boxer tries to smother them.



Now on the other hand some boxers , like Floyd in his last fight,clinch as soon as the other boxer gets on the inside. He still had room to work because Maidana was still in the pocket but he reached out grabbed and held.the prevent defense? It prevents any action.



There is styles to boxing and clinching can work as long as it doesn't stop the ebb and flow of the fight like Robinson was doing to Gene F.



The clinch Floyd used was designed to stop the action ,looking at Bayless and not working on the inside is the proof , most referees would give warnings for Floyd's excessive holding.

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Froggy:

SRL fought Duran three times, the last time in 1989 when Leonard figured Duran had nothing left but still recieved about 40 stitches after the fight !

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Skibbz:

"I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.

I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.

I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."

-Randy G."


Commissioner making it sound like a sure thing... Macau won't be cooking any long island specialties for the nurse in this one Randy! Don't pop it open too soon... Hahaha.

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Skibbz:

"Excellent take. Thanks!

That's the point, how many will stand the test of time? Only time will tell.

And the perceived disparity -- and I say perceived bc we will never know -- between Maidana and Duran is what makes the comparison interesting to me.

What do the rest of you say?

And speaking of clinching, what about fights like Ali vs Frazier, Leonard vs Hagler, Lennox vs (insert), or even Sugar Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer in the rematch?"


The disparity between Roberto Duran and Marcos Maidana isn't even worth discussing and although they clearly have never fought, you can surmise that Duran would have beaten Maidana to a pulp. They are different animals not even worthy of being in the same ring. SRL fought Duran twice. Mayweather was running and crying to the ref twice against Maidana. Sure he landed some good looking combinations but when was Maidana hurt? When did Maidana really have to find the inner reserves of heart and steely resolve to continue the fight?

To even begin a comparison between these two fights in my opinion is a mockery of the two great's Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran, two fighters who's respective legacies will live on long after Maidana is left a wreck on the seabed of boxing history, and who outshine Mayweather in every sense. Nobody talks of Floyd how they used to talk about SRL or MdP.

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amayseng:

"Looks like Vaseline to me. He spoke just fine at the post-fight presser with no evidence of an altered smile except for a Donovan Ruddock upper lip.

It could also have been spit. WWE wrestler Shawn Michaels used to do this illusion where he would take a hard simulated blow, spit in the air and give it the impression of a tooth flying.

Spit can look just like that.

(Ghost Guerrero was shooting so many spitballs all over the place vs Floyd you'd think he had rabies.

By that logic, Ghost musta lost 34 teeth.)

Maidana may have shook him up after the bell but Money May sure didn't "lose his smile."

He even addressed it in an interview, he said that didn't happen. Why would he lie? He's not shy to share his injuries.

Also, I must say people go to extreme, logic-defying lengths to find chinks in Mayweather's armor.

People say you can't bite through a mouth guard yet you can send a tooth flying -- a tooth protected by the very best guard known to man?!

While it looked like spit to me, I don't know what happened and I really don't care either.

I just find the inherent contradiction hilarious. And odd.

While I am a huge fan of his skill and ring prowess, I find myself completely indifferent to his personality.

I'm not particularly entertained by his on-screen antics nor am I impressed by his wit.

Though I understand, his ever-increasing proclivity to side-step questions and ber sensitivity can be irksome at times.

How he remains so marketable (and hated), I still struggle to truly grasp.

That said, this whole anti-Mayweather movement is starting to get comical. #THIS

As they said, inside hos 20x20 canvas of choice, one can't deny the artistry of Mayweather.

Instead of throwing verbal spitballs his way, we should really appreciate what we're watching: a once-in-a-lifetime all-time great artist who defies logic each and every single time he laces up his gloves."


Is it a double standard for Pep and SRR to be appreciated for their craft and Floyd be condemned for doing the same?


Well no one had to pay 80$ for a ppv to watch Pep and SRR hold, stall and pot shot a win.


I will say this, the second time I watched Floyd Chino 2 (and I have yet to finish it) it has been less boring than I officially thought. Why I am not so sure, maybe because fight one had so much more action with Chino pushing the pace. The rematch game plan failed.

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Buzz Murdock:

The beauty of clinching? I think we have a different sense of aesthetics amigo...

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Radam G:

"Sensei, peep how master Willie Pep would grab people and some of his other wizardry.

While he's overrated in terms elusiveness, his clinch/control game is ON POINT.

You'll never get to him:

http://youtu.be/RiQoYRAa8s4

http://youtu.be/7LZxF-4P1ng

The ones who complain about clinches are usually the ones who can do nothing about it.

This is another key reason no one beats Andre Ward, not even GGG."


It is no doubt that readers here are full of double standard hatin.' Money May is just on the long history trail of greats who know the beauty of clinching and grappling and a bit of spinning and turning and burning with fists of feet. Holla!

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The Shadow:

Sensei, peep how master Willie Pep would grab people and some of his other wizardry.



While he's overrated in terms elusiveness, his clinch/control game is ON POINT.



You'll never get to him:



http://youtu.be/RiQoYRAa8s4



http://youtu.be/7LZxF-4P1ng



The ones who complain about clinches are usually the ones who can do nothing about it.



This is another key reason no one beats Andre Ward, not even GGG.

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The Shadow:

"Clinching is a beautiful science and art of the game. Too bad that New Jacks hate it. Holla!"



Ray Robinson used the clinch far more than Money May.



Watch how he disrupts Fulmer in their fourth fight with blatant holding in between whoop-a$$ action.



Just watch the 1st round alone: http://youtu.be/TX62G2aaxuc



It's the sweet, sweet science. And guess what, there are few better surgeons than Sugar Ray!



When you see a sweet surgeon operate, you better watch out. You might catch a cavity.



Kovalev should be afraid. He will get grabbed, too.

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Radam G:

One thing about Lil Floyd, he will never become punkedified about situations in dat squared jungle. In his own -- in his interview on The Boxing Channel when talking about Chino was the first pug to cut him -- "Adversity defines a champion...." Holla!

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Radam G:

The truth always rises in our sports. It hardly ever stays down to be counted out.

I would not be a bit surprised when Money May says he lose a tooth, as he did about getting cut after the talking heads kept blabbermouthing that the cut against Chino in Bout I was the first cut ever for Money May.

I can hear it now: "It wasn't the first time that I lose a tooth. It happened to my uncles, my dad, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Shane Mosley and Zab Judah. It is a part of the game."

And If I'm wrong that it was not a tooth. I will admit to it. I will always call a spade, and never hide in the shade. But don't you guys know how much pro pugs lose teeth? Just as much as they lose sweat, blood and tears. And a couple of brain cells. All that can regenerate, but not the teeth. Hehe!

BTW, in wrestling you still have people who don't believe it is real blood. Those wrestling dudes get paid to cut themselves and put on a bloody show. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Mayweather initiated way more clinches then Sugar. Sugar clinched when he had to but he worked on the inside and threw vicious combos. The ref let SRL and RD work on the inside and wasn't quick on every single break.

Mayweather avoided fighting on the inside with MM as much as he could and held on while looking at Bayless.

Mayweather used his footwork to get out of the exchanges. SRL used his footwork and feints to set up hard punches and mixed up his attack.

There is absolutely no comparison between MM and The Great Duran. Duran was 71-1 at the time of his fight. MM was 35-5.

The short clip 1 minute clip shows similarities but why not watch the whole fight and compare the two?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2bQWJmA1A

Styles make fights and using footwork and the art of the clinch is a good strategy against a certain type of fighter but the way Sugar Ray did it was beautiful and exciting because he really let his hands go,feinted masterfully and worked while on the inside.

Duran and Leonard are legends. Their fights will always be watched with admiration. How many of Floyd's battles can stand the test of time?"


Money May has a few battles that will "stand the test of time." Holla!

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Radam G:

"Excellent take. Thanks!

That's the point, how many will stand the test of time? Only time will tell.

And the perceived disparity -- and I say perceived bc we will never know -- between Maidana and Duran is what makes the comparison interesting to me.

What do the rest of you say?

And speaking of clinching, what about fights like Ali vs Frazier, Leonard vs Hagler, Lennox vs (insert), or even Sugar Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer in the rematch?"


Clinching is a beautiful science and art of the game. Too bad that New Jacks hate it. Holla!

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The Shadow:

Excellent take. Thanks!



That's the point, how many will stand the test of time? Only time will tell.



And the perceived disparity -- and I say perceived bc we will never know -- between Maidana and Duran is what makes the comparison interesting to me.



What do the rest of you say?



And speaking of clinching, what about fights like Ali vs Frazier, Leonard vs Hagler, Lennox vs (insert), or even Sugar Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer in the rematch?

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The Shadow:

"This is a fight definitely worth watching again.



Yes, I believe that's a tooth which is heading in a bloody blurr out of the ring. Betcha' it hit some guy on his crisp, new white shirt, making it look like he was hit with a shotgun blast!



-Randy G."




Looks like Vaseline to me. He spoke just fine at the post-fight presser with no evidence of an altered smile except for a Donovan Ruddock upper lip.



It could also have been spit. WWE wrestler Shawn Michaels used to do this illusion where he would take a hard simulated blow, spit in the air and give it the impression of a tooth flying.



Spit can look just like that.



(Ghost Guerrero was shooting so many spitballs all over the place vs Floyd you'd think he had rabies.



By that logic, Ghost musta lost 34 teeth.)



Maidana may have shook him up after the bell but Money May sure didn't "lose his smile."



He even addressed it in an interview, he said that didn't happen. Why would he lie? He's not shy to share his injuries.



Also, I must say people go to extreme, logic-defying lengths to find chinks in Mayweather's armor.



People say you can't bite through a mouth guard yet you can send a tooth flying -- a tooth protected by the very best guard known to man?!



While it looked like spit to me, I don't know what happened and I really don't care either.



I just find the inherent contradiction hilarious. And odd.



While I am a huge fan of his skill and ring prowess, I find myself completely indifferent to his personality.



I'm not particularly entertained by his on-screen antics nor am I impressed by his wit.



Though I understand, his ever-increasing proclivity to side-step questions and ber sensitivity can be irksome at times.



How he remains so marketable (and hated), I still struggle to truly grasp.



That said, this whole anti-Mayweather movement is starting to get comical. #THIS



As they said, inside hos 20x20 canvas of choice, one can't deny the artistry of Mayweather.



Instead of throwing verbal spitballs his way, we should really appreciate what we're watching: a once-in-a-lifetime all-time great artist who defies logic each and every single time he laces up his gloves.

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deepwater2:

Mayweather initiated way more clinches then Sugar. Sugar clinched when he had to but he worked on the inside and threw vicious combos. The ref let SRL and RD work on the inside and wasn't quick on every single break.

Mayweather avoided fighting on the inside with MM as much as he could and held on while looking at Bayless.

Mayweather used his footwork to get out of the exchanges. SRL used his footwork and feints to set up hard punches and mixed up his attack.

There is absolutely no comparison between MM and The Great Duran. Duran was 71-1 at the time of his fight. MM was 35-5.

The short clip 1 minute clip shows similarities but why not watch the whole fight and compare the two?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2bQWJmA1A

Styles make fights and using footwork and the art of the clinch is a good strategy against a certain type of fighter but the way Sugar Ray did it was beautiful and exciting because he really let his hands go,feinted masterfully and worked while on the inside.

Duran and Leonard are legends. Their fights will always be watched with admiration. How many of Floyd's battles can stand the test of time?

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brownsugar:

"I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.



I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.



I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."



-Randy G."






I hope you can keep a secret that long Commish..... November is a long time to keep a vulnerability consealed

If Algieri wins I'll personally research Google and write a brief five paragraph bio of the law student praising his world championship abilities....



That would be the biggest upset since Spinks took Larry Holmes Title.

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Radam G:

"I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.

I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.

I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."

-Randy G."


Hehehehe! You really have the C-Al fever. A couple of drops of lemon juice in alkaline water will break throse "High Hopes." Holla!

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The Commish:

"My vote for TBE, personally, goes to either Willie Pep or Roberto Duran, depending how I'm feeling when you ask me."



That, in a nutshell, I why I have NEVER posted my pound-for-pound ratings. However, as the former Editor-in-Chief of The Ring, it is being asked more and more of me.



I am doing it, and the list will apppear in my upcoming book, "Glove Affair."



In my chapter of lists will be that one, along with a lot of other lists.



Welterweight Sugar Ray Robinson?



He's way up there.



-Randy G.

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The Commish:

This is a fight definitely worth watching again.

Yes, I believe that's a tooth which is heading in a bloody blurr out of the ring. Betcha' it hit some guy on his crisp, new white shirt, making it look like he was hit with a shotgun blast!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Very entertaining fight. I'm glad I gave up an afternoon of NFL watching and instead watched a few boxing videos, including this one and the war involving Orlando Salido v Thailand's Terdsak Kokietgym.

Both fights gave me more action and competitiveness than I got from the NFL Giants v Houston.

Salido-Kokietgym was so thrilling that I saved it to my favorites videos on youtube.com...gonna' watch it again on Monday before I head in for my show.

Gotta' tell The Shadow and Gerry Cooney to watch it!

-Randy G.

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