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amayseng:

Bad news, I am a Tarver fan and think he still has enough in the tank to be competitive in todays HW landscape.

I am hoping he isn't fighting for money, how these athletes make millions and end up with nothing I will never understand....

Of course I am a cheapskate.

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The Commish:

The card will still take place, though with the co-feature being bumped up to main event status. Antonio Tarver Jr. will still be on the card, making his pro debut at the age of 26.

Poppa Antonio will be on my SiriusXM show Friday evening with me, Gerry Cooney & The Shadow, talking about his thumb, his future and his son.

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

Its really tough for me to get a read on Postol. He is tall and lanky and could cause a lot of guys problems. He has wins over Lundy and Aydin so has beat the "B" level of fighter. He uses a solid jab to keep distance and is not a bad inside fighter. He also has mastered the art of clinching, not too much but at the right times, to keep his opponents off balance and constantly resetting.

I wonder though how Postol will react in a fight when things maybe are not going his way. So far in his career things have for the most part gone his way in fights and he has been in control. How about when he is not in control and the other guy keeps pressing the action not discouraged by his style? How will he respond to the pressure and some adversity? Postol is also tall and lanky and past history in the sport has indicated that those guys don't always have the best chins. Postol's chin has never been tested and I wonder what would happen if say Matthysse him him flush.

The jury is really still out on Postol. His style could make for a very dangerous fight for someone or he could be exposed at the top level. I don't know. That makes a matchup with Matthysse very interesting to me. It could be a one round blowout for Matthysse or could be a tough fight for him in which he can't figure out the style of Postol.

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gibola:

Time goes on and as SRR become more of a legend in history books, as fewer people are around who saw him in his prime, as the only footage is of the beatable middleweight, it's inevitable SRR's n1o p4p status gets questioned. The welterweight SRR's stats are amazing and we must say that at 147 he was a helluva fighter. What I don't buy is that the 160lb SRR should be considered in the same light. Still a fantastic fighter, but older, slower and eminently hittable.

It shouldn't be taboo to question SRR's status. I feel that it's not the great fighters of today's fault that they weren't around in the 40s and 50s. An interesting question would be if Ray Leonard had been around in the 40s and 50s and SRR had been around now. If SRR was fighting in 2014, twice a year on HBO, tied to a contract and politics ruled the guy coming out of the other corner, how much of a different perspective would we have? SRR's legend is in part because of he was around in an era when they fought more often, the field was bigger and more competitive. If the same fighter was fighting now there's no way we'd say he was the best p4p because of the lack of respect for this era rather than relative fighting abilities.

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thegreyman:

My vote for TBE, personally, goes to either Willie Pep or Roberto Duran, depending how I'm feeling when you ask me.

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The Commish:

"The way it's structured, overall, they can't lose money on the deal. They're happy, though I've heard they were a little concerned with the negative backlash leading up to the pay-per-view.



Even if you isolate Mayweather's purse -- which is fronted by SHO, just like HBO did -- and match it up against their percentage of PPV revenue, say it did 900K vs. 1.2 million, the difference in Showtime/CBS' percentage cut is only $1 million.



Also, revenue should be super high due to higher price points.



Theaters count as close circuits. They fall under that revenue stream. Close circuit is a relatively insignificant income source from a percentage standpoint.



Finally, SHO declined comment due to their policy but the source spoke to Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, traditionally a trusted source.



As any good journalist should, Iole investigated the veracity of the tally by fact-checking the different cable sources who reported anywhere from 10-20% increases over the last fight.



The full numbers won't be in for quite a while.



The 925,000 buyrate is an impressive figure, considering low projections and lackluster tracking indicators.



Due to the landscape of late, industry insiders speculated the high output of PPV telecasts across the board (WWE, boxing and MMA) had led to a saturated market, given the fact that most 2014 PPVs failed to hit projections.



Many experts even predicted the #Mayhem buyrate would fail to hit 800,000.



In retrospect, however, the total figure is hardly a surprise when you consider the new markets Mayweather reached with the torrent of bad publicity.



As it turns out, the lawsuits and domestic violence criticisms led to features on TMZ, ESPN and CNN, which most likely spiked buys also.



Instead of causing a mass buyer exodus, the constant stream of negative Mayweather press perhaps simply alerted people who may not have known that the number one pound-for-pound was back in action.



While the court of public opinion can be harsh, in boxing -- it would appear -- it does not seem to matter. As long as you keep on #winning."




It's funny how that works. "Mayhem" apparently outdrew the first fight, back in May. That is probably because of the amount of negative press which did indeed act like a cold splash of water into the face. It woke people up.



In addition, there were those who thought, "The first fight was so competitive and close that this one will be the same way. I'll kick myself if I don't buy it and wake up on Sunday morning to find out Maidana has won.



I have to believe that all who bought the first fight were thoroughly entertained. When the rematch was announced, they had no doubts or second thoughts about purchasing it. The were counting on a Gatti-Ward-type rematch, but instead got an Ali-Frazier II type rematch. Let's not wait for the "Thrilla' in Manila."



It will be interesting to see who $$$May chooses as his dancing partner next May, and how they promoters go about selling it. On what angle?



Judging on "Mayhem," $$$May is still boxing's top attraction. As Father Time erodes his once-magnificent skills oh so slowly, the chances are those PPV numbers will still be there in May and especially next September, when he goes for #49 (provided he wins in May) to tie Rocky Marciano.



Can you picture what those PPV numbers will be if he ties The Rock and then goes for #50 in 2016, which, in all probability, he will?



My guess is they will be over 1 million.



-Randy G.

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brownsugar:

"Controversy sells, but there comes a point where too much of it tarnishes the brand and consumers second guess their decision to buy. Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be altered. However depending on the loyalty of the fan, they will still purchase fights. Look at the Ray Rice situation, there are female Raven's fans criticizing the punishment and supporting him. It all depends on how much of a fan are you. But in this case I think there some seasoning added to the PPV numbers. But the media attention helped too."

It's crazy CC, I have to agree ....... Also Espinoza can neither hide or create money out of thin air. It doesn't benefit Showtime to promote a lie when they can just back out of the deal. No company is going to go out of business trying to create an illusion. I'm.positive Showtime has an escape clause if things go South.

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Carmine Cas:

Controversy sells, but there comes a point where too much of it tarnishes the brand and consumers second guess their decision to buy. Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be altered. However depending on the loyalty of the fan, they will still purchase fights. Look at the Ray Rice situation, there are female Raven's fans criticizing the punishment and supporting him. It all depends on how much of a fan are you. But in this case I think there some seasoning added to the PPV numbers. But the media attention helped too.

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Radam G:

"Ray Leonard vs Da Manny?"

Cut it out, toast -- I mean tRoast! It would depend on which Ray would show up. The lethargic one would've gotten kayoed like Erik Morales did. The one who beat Duran in Fight II and Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have beat a very small 3m by run-a-way decision. Holla!

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the Roast:

Ray Leonard vs Da Manny?

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Radam G:

"Ezzard Charles was baaaad man.



Him and are Archie Moore are easily 2 of my favourite (and 2 of the ATG) fighters.



Check out Archie's KO ratio and absolute numbers, and who both Moore and Charles fought, if anyone wonders why."




Sugar Ray Robinson duck both of them when they were welterweights and middleweights. Holla!

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Radam G:

"This is one of the longest running fights in TSS history. Radam G vs the legend of SRR being the best fighter of all time. I saw this article come up this morning after the Commish had made the first comment. I didn't have time to post but I would have said, "Cue Radam saying SRR was not the best ever and that he ducked the Black Murderers Row in 3,2,1..."

Tell me RG, who wins the dream fight and how at 147, Da Manny or SRR???"




There would be no dream fight. Some pugs you cannot beat. Some you can beat. But it has nothing to do with your overall greatness. Nobody knew that better than Sugar Ray Robinson. I never said that it was anything wrong with ducking. Bytches just need to admit too it.



Two outta three fights, SRR would beat Da Manny/3m.



Four outta five fights Money May would kicked SRR's arse.



Two outta three fights, Roberto Duran would have been beat and kayoed Money May.



Twice, Money May would've beat Hitman Hearns.



Styles make fights.



Seers see the what could be. Lookers get caught up with hype syet and go along to get along.



You can hook them on any illusion and inattentional blindness. They tribe up and follow each other off a cliff like the pack of rats did the flute-playing pied piper of Idiotville. I ain't hatin' 'em. But I see -- not look -- and think for myself.



Me? I came in on a different plane.



tRoast, the long running of the make-belief, untouchable greatness of SRR comes up every year, and it is just dead wrong that he was less flawless in and outta the squared jungle than any other pug. Holla!

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brownsugar:

An intriguing and evenly match fight....should be good. Jr never impressed me like his father did. Maybe he's found a way to unlock some hidden potential.

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brownsugar:

"I dont buy it my friend.



Lots of people boycotted this ppv because of Floyds poor choice in downplaying the severity of Ray Rice knocking out his woman.



They would rather keep their money than give it to Floyd, not even worrying about seeing him pay for his words."




Things are not always as they seem. I think people were also offended at the way Floyd was tossed under the bus by the media.



Its obvious that somebody was watching ... As evident by the increase in subscriptions during fight day.



As far as Ray Rice is concerned ... The NFL Players union is trying to appeal Goodel's decision to indefinitely suspend Rice. Because penalising a person twice for the same offence obstructs "due process"



Personally I don't care... But its happening.



Also there is backlash from Jim Lampleys Boxing Show.

Many still remember when Lampley plead guilty in 2007 to domestic violence and served 3 years probation along with 40 hour community service.



I don't think the country is a nation of blind sheep following the beat of a single drummer.



The police of Ferguson are supporting the cop who shot that teenager in cold blood while he had his hands raised in surrender. 5 million dollars have been raised for the cops defense even though there is clear footage of the kid being gunned down.



Who is donating all the money to a cause that spawned riots and left many in shock. I wouldn't think 5 million dollars in support would be possible ....but apparently it is.



Just saying .... Things are not so cut and dried. Not as many viewers were as deterred as it was initially predicted.



I respect your opinion of course.



However there are many dynamics at work in this instance.

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the Roast:

I never heard of this Billy Joe guy but after watching the video I like his attitude. You got to love the grudge angle, a real grudge for whatever the reason, not something forced to sell the fight.

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stormcentre:

Ezzard Charles was baaaad man.

Him and are Archie Moore are easily 2 of my favourite (and 2 of the ATG) fighters.

Check out Archie's KO ratio and absolute numbers, and who both Moore and Charles fought, if anyone wonders why.

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the Roast:

This is one of the longest running fights in TSS history. Radam G vs the legend of SRR being the best fighter of all time. I saw this article come up this morning after the Commish had made the first comment. I didn't have time to post but I would have said, "Cue Radam saying SRR was not the best ever and that he ducked the Black Murderers Row in 3,2,1..."

Tell me RG, who wins the dream fight and how at 147, Da Manny or SRR???

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stormcentre:

Volatile fight . . . firecracker thrown into a petroleum refinement plant.

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The Good Doctor:

Tarver can say all he wants, that dude is fighting for loot. He is in to Haymon for 300K. He lost most of his purse from the Kayode fight because he got popped for PED's as well.

His name will carry him far enough to get a shot but I think anybody with half a pulse will beat him. He could not beat a below average fighter in Kayode when he was on the juice. No way is he competitive with Banks, Mitchell, Haye, Vlad or any heavyweight of any merit.

I could see him getting fed to Anthony Joshua. The fight could make both of them some decent cash, plus it will give Joshua some recognition. I think Joshua would beat the brakes off of him.

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Radam G:

That "birdy" must be a small-brained dodo birdy with a short-term memory.



Knuckleheads were fibbing that Mayweather-Maidana I did a mil or 1.2mil -- whichever fib you wanted to believe. Now it is 900thou. And this Mayweather-Maidana II now mysteriously did more than 925thou, more than the first dance.



And it was not expected to do more than 700thou, because that is probably what it did.



Somebody ought to cut da crap. These bigwig inflators think between the ears ev'ybodee and dey momma have a gap. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"I loved those boxing trunks. They took us from the era of plain black & white trunks to a flashier era. If I'm correct, I think Hector "Macho" Camacho began a whole new era with his totally outlandish, colorful, wild designs.

Yes, the drawing depicted SRL in the black trunks he wore in the "No Mas" fight. The trunks he actually wore in the first fight against Hearns were white with a red waistband. Hearns also wore white trunks that night.

-Randy G."


Yep, Hector "Macho" Camacho was one of the early ones to wear (the previously laughed at) tights underneath, and other various designs that strayed from the norm.

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SouthPawFlo:

Idk if that number is true or not, but if it is I think it has more to do with Chino than Mayweather...



After how close the first fight was a lot of people really felt that Chino would be able to do a little more in the 2nd, and the All access showing Robert G. Trying to tweak certain things definitely helped... Maidana is a bonafide star after his Broner Beatdown and his good performance in his first fight, also they did a 5 city media tour for this one and the fans were definitely cheering on Chino, even in the Crowd at the fight it seemed to be more fighters rooting for Chino....





People really wanna see Floyd Lose and obviously they're willing to pay $75 to see it live on PPV.

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SouthPawFlo:

I thought this was a post about PPV buys, and I asked a question about PPV Buys, I didn't comment on anything else other than what the post was about....







Who I like as a fighter really has nothi to do with the topic, this isn't a who's your favorite fighter thread is it????

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amayseng:

Floyd is a fantastic boxer, but he is not in my top 25

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amayseng:

"Sometimes being a big illiterate dummy can pay off in America...... Only in America."

I dont buy it my friend.

Lots of people boycotted this ppv because of Floyds poor choice in downplaying the severity of Ray Rice knocking out his woman.

They would rather keep their money than give it to Floyd, not even worrying about seeing him pay for his words.

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brownsugar:

Sometimes being a big illiterate dummy can pay off in America...... Only in America.

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brownsugar:

To piggy back off what Shadow was saying earlier (and i do believe Shadow is secretly employed by tsAH... LOL...) indicators suggest a 20% increase in DISHTV (used by many hispanics)subscriptions and an increase in DirectTV and ATT subscriptions.

There is a smoking gun that can validate the unusually high buy rate.

As I said earlier, I was astonished to see professional journalists blatantly accuse Mayweather publically on national television off of prior cases he'd already been tried for and or served sentencing for.......in addition to prematurely pronouncing him guilty in connection with the allegations levelled by Ms Jackson.

This extra media attention in addition to the poor choice of comments Floyd used to respond to questions regarding Ray Rice served to pique the interest of casual fans enough to drive up subscription rates and purchases.

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amayseng:

"You are so full of man luv of Money May. Talking about infactuation.

You better watch that. Luv like that has been known to make one cross dress and start showing up at Money May's events and writing him letters.

His big uglies may have to handle you. Holla!"


hahahahaah

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Radam G:

"Can someone tell me the last non Mayweather fight that topped 900,000 buys.


Any help would be greatly appreciated."


You are so full of man luv of Money May. Talking about infactuation.

You better watch that. Luv like that has been known to make one cross dress and start showing up at Money May's events and writing him letters.

His big uglies may have to handle you. Holla!

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SouthPawFlo:

Can someone tell me the last non Mayweather fight that topped 900,000 buys.





Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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