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Radam G:

"I am sure, now that Canelo Alvarez has signed with HBO, that a PPV bout against GGG is in the future. It won't happen soon, but it will happen later, perhaps at the end of 2015 or early in 2016, after GGG knocks off three or four challengers and Canelo gets past around the same amount of opponents.

The thawing of the Cold War between Top Rank and Golden Boy will make for some interesting matches ahead.

-Randy G."


I don't see it. I see a scrap between Canelo and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr ur coming. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Smart talk Greyman. Cultures have changed and I can't help but agree with some of what you say. But I think it's still worth mentioning that it's (unfortunately) role models such as Floyd Mayweather who further pollute, poison and degrade culture and society.



In one respect, I can contradict myself with the argument that Floyd promotes hard work, dedication, and promotes the mentality of never quitting or giving up - on the other hand Floyd hits women and the mother of his kids, he is frivolous and promotes gambling, he promotes an unsustainable lifestyle, he teaches the young and impressionable that it's okay to treat women like toys, to buy them and discard them at will. He fans the fire of what's wrong with society without care for his position.



For those that will argue - what about his charitable donations and actions? Eeveryone knows how to conduct positive propaganda. Our faults are not always so easily hidden and show the true nature of oneself."




You are spot on Money May's sick behavior toward women. The GOAT didn't put his hands on them. He went out on his shield when they were whacking and sacking him for two-and-three timing. Legend tell about two memorable "Thrillas in Manila."



The GOAT and the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier. And the GOAT and his second wife "Sister Belinda" who would flew over to Manila after witnessing him fibbing to P-Islands Prez Marcos that eventually third wife Veronica Porche was already his wife.



Sister Belinda, a seventh degree black in legit karate, was as big and tall as GOAT Ali. Legend and he say that he hollered like a bytch as Sister Bytch karate chop and broke his arse, a tooth and all the furniture in the suite. What fans don't know is that the GOAT fought Smokin' Joe with bruised ribs and shins.



Actually legend says on da pugvine that Sister Belinda kicked the GOAT on the shins a couple time for first cheating with Porsche at the "Rumble In The Jungle" And the reason that the GOAT improvised with the "Rope A Dope" against "Big" George Foreman is because he couldn't dance because of how his wife Sister Belinda double fudged his shins up.



My reader mates and scribes, the "theatre of the unexpected" is so in full effect that only pieces come out about the reality of the actuality in umpteen years.



I suspect that scribes are waiting for the GOAT to demise before they tell the whole story about his many injuries before bouts because his never put his hands on his women who would handle him for disloyalty to them.



YUP! In this day and time, GOAT Ali would've Money May to shame IMHO with da fame. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I'm not so certain Ali would dwarf Mayweather today.



Yes Ali is a fantastic man with a great soul for his fellow man, is charming in conversation and charismatic under the spotlight, but at the end of the day, different generations and different eras prize different values.



However.



In the age of the fast and flashy lifestyle, of social media and short attention spans; where consumerism and fame are seemingly prized above all else in popular culture- Floyd fits in perfectly.



In an era of change, of hope and progressiveness, of orators such as MLK and JFK, where the west was asking for a people's hero to take their minds off the sorrows of Vietnam or the red threat, Ali fit in perfectly.



Different strokes for different folks. Say what you will, but Each man is a man of his time, and removed from that time, would not enjoy the same popularity outside of the ring."




The GOAT was fast and flashy too. And a had short attention spans outta this world. His contemporaries are stretching it and making him out to a be saint over Money May and even Broner. But he was just as bad if not worse than they are on several occasions. He just live in a time that the media didn't report all of his shenanigans on da reg.



But there is lot of video footage on "Daily Motion" and "Youtube" where the GOAT is just showing his nature @$$ remarkably Mayweatherish and Bronerish.



And y'all know me. I'm down with O-P-P and calling a spade a spade and never hiding in the shape. Holla!

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The Commish:

I am sure, now that Canelo Alvarez has signed with HBO, that a PPV bout against GGG is in the future. It won't happen soon, but it will happen later, perhaps at the end of 2015 or early in 2016, after GGG knocks off three or four challengers and Canelo gets past around the same amount of opponents.



The thawing of the Cold War between Top Rank and Golden Boy will make for some interesting matches ahead.



-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"Viva el Rey, Viva el Canelo.

Haymon and Mayweather are backed into a corner, boxing isn't a one man party and the dreams of the few have fallen to the moves of the many. Great for boxing, great for Canelo and Oscar and most importantly to us viewers, great for the fans."


Let's hope my friend!

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thegreyman:

I'm disappointed they didn't take the Kirkland fight- it would have been a great scrap and maybe even FOTY material.

I'm certain we'll see GGG/Canelo at some point. They're both willing to face anyone, and they're both after the same target, a clash is inevitable. Have hope SPF!

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The Commish:

"We didn't view Clottey as a credible opponent," says Stephen Espinoza. But Showtime accepted Rod Salka as a credible opponent for Danny Garcia. Exactly who is the Showtime "expert" approving and rejecting these bouts.

Looks like it's time to tell him/her "bye bye."

As far as Oscar de la Hoya is concerned, he has said, on many occasions, "I don't need a signature when I do business. I work on handshakes."

Yeh, right!

-Randy G.

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SouthPawFlo:

Not gonna happen. Too risky for Canelo & Golden Boy, if they wouldn't take a James Kirkland Fight no way would they take a GGG fight, he's just not a big enough star and doesn't really bring a big enough following for the Crowd he Brings, maybe this time next year, but not now...

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Skibbz:

"Not sure I understand what you mean by well-placed?

He's the middleman eliminator. So in that case, he's good for that, too.

I'm just calling it like I see it. Like I said, we can all agree to disagree and see how it plays out in the end."


Na mate Al Haymon is terrible for the fans and that's why he keeps his mug so well hidden so he doesn't become a target. You sound like his lap dog at times championing Haymon in every fight regardless of his actions. Remove the wool from your eyes and start seeing the facts for what they are. You can't live a sheep's life forever..

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The Shadow:

"If you're a fan of boxing then you should root for Al Haymon

That's a lot of love you have for Haymon Shadow- are you certain it's well placed?

Yes he works with fighters for their benefit- their financial benefit, and also for easy routes through the ranks of fighters to world titles. But I'm also a fan of good match ups, and that is not something that I need Haymon for.

The more middlemen the worse as far as I'm concerned- be it networks, promoters, sanctioning bodies or Haymons- they're all usually just obstacles to what we as boxing fans actually want to see- fights!"


Not sure I understand what you mean by well-placed?

He's the middleman eliminator. So in that case, he's good for that, too.

I'm just calling it like I see it. Like I said, we can all agree to disagree and see how it plays out in the end.

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thegreyman:

If you're a fan of boxing then you should root for Al Haymon

That's a lot of love you have for Haymon Shadow- are you certain it's well placed?

Yes he works with fighters for their benefit- their financial benefit, and also for easy routes through the ranks of fighters to world titles. But I'm also a fan of good match ups, and that is not something that I need Haymon for.

The more middlemen the worse as far as I'm concerned- be it networks, promoters, sanctioning bodies or Haymons- they're all usually just obstacles to what we as boxing fans actually want to see- fights!

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Skibbz:

Smart talk Greyman. Cultures have changed and I can't help but agree with some of what you say. But I think it's still worth mentioning that it's (unfortunately) role models such as Floyd Mayweather who further pollute, poison and degrade culture and society.

In one respect, I can contradict myself with the argument that Floyd promotes hard work, dedication, and promotes the mentality of never quitting or giving up - on the other hand Floyd hits women and the mother of his kids, he is frivolous and promotes gambling, he promotes an unsustainable lifestyle, he teaches the young and impressionable that it's okay to treat women like toys, to buy them and discard them at will. He fans the fire of what's wrong with society without care for his position.

For those that will argue - what about his charitable donations and actions? Eeveryone knows how to conduct positive propaganda. Our faults are not always so easily hidden and show the true nature of oneself.

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thegreyman:

I'm not so certain Ali would dwarf Mayweather today.

Yes Ali is a fantastic man with a great soul for his fellow man, is charming in conversation and charismatic under the spotlight, but at the end of the day, different generations and different eras prize different values.

However.

In the age of the fast and flashy lifestyle, of social media and short attention spans; where consumerism and fame are seemingly prized above all else in popular culture- Floyd fits in perfectly.

In an era of change, of hope and progressiveness, of orators such as MLK and JFK, where the west was asking for a people's hero to take their minds off the sorrows of Vietnam or the red threat, Ali fit in perfectly.

Different strokes for different folks. Say what you will, but Each man is a man of his time, and removed from that time, would not enjoy the same popularity outside of the ring.

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Skibbz:

"Ortiz did more one-punch damage than Judah. So did Corley. And Carlos Hernandez.

He has an very, very good if not great chin and excellent recuperative abilities."


Speed kills. His chin is not great, if you think Floyd has a great chin you either understate the meaning of great or you highly overestimate the strength of mayweather's chin. Take in the sound post of Mortcola and ponder on how ludicrous your post actually is.

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deepwater2:

I wonder how many people will waste their time watching the all access when they know the whole thing is set up and fake

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thegreyman:

Yes Floyd has a great chin.

He's shrugged off hard clean shots from numerous heavy punchers- Mosley perhaps most famously and doesn't seem to be losing it as he gets older.

To have a great chin is to take a heavy shot and not lose your focus or composure. I have no doubt that if the shot that hit Mayweather at the end of the 3rd had come in the middle of the round, he would have been mostly unaffected. He could easily grab on to Maidana for the whole fight, and I'm sure he could have at that point too, just like he did after his knees were buckled by Mosley. A great chin on a great fighter.

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thegreyman:

I am not surprised at all Radam, and I don't think anyone else is.

The people doing the hearing heard what the wanted and expected to say, after Floyd gave the obvious excuses he was expected to give.

The NSAC were just ticking boxes so that the status quo can continue. The same behaviour will continue unheeded at Floyd's gym and house, what else would you expect?

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thegreyman:

Should be an entertaining fight, I like it. Canelo is good when he can walk guys like Clottey down- it gives him a great opportunity to showcase his power and offensive prowess without having to worry too much about scientific boxing or positioning. A good hard fight will be in order I hope, with plenty of cajones I hope.

Canelo will be well on track for Cotto/Golovkin after this.

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Froggy:

I would watch Pacman vs Canelo also, but I think there is less chance of that than Manny vs Floyd ! I don't think Mayweather will fight Pacquiao, period !

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deepwater2:

Even though I am not Canelo's biggest fan you can't compare him to "drop the belt" Quillin or "run away from Kovalev and Hopkins " Stevenson. Canelo takes on top risky guys. GGG can happen down the road. What a superfight that will be! And it won't need fake weed,fake sparring or a fake fight t to try and sell that fight.

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deepwater2:

"Canelo is safer with HBO. Similar to the extremely careful Adonis Stevenson and Quillen at Showtime it makes more sense for Canelo to go to HBO where he can be relatively safe from the challenge of an extremely deep junior middleweight division bursting at the seams with the rising prospects of the Charlo Brothers, Julian Williams and a host of other promising contenders. And he still never asked to rematch Mayweather.



The only question is.....how long can he resist the challenge of GGG who is also with HBO and save face at the same time?

Canelo cannot fight his growth hormones as easily as a shot Angulo..... as soon as he rises up to middleweight WHERE at least a half a dozen 160 pounders on either side of Showtime and HBO will be lining on his doorstep hoping to pop the red heads cherry.



A fighters life is interesting to say the least."




I see more opportunity for Canelo at HBO. The Charlo brothers and other contenders don't have a big name yet and will take longer to get there.



Canelo has Clottey,Kirkland,Cotto and Andrade to keep busy. He also says he wants Pac at 154.OK. Ill watch that one.

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The Shadow:

"I here you Shadow.... Just no more breaking the pimp code....lol."

I wouldn't be able to work with Adonis S. that's for sure. Far too nice.

Speaking of that topic, did you see what Jean Pascal ironically just tweeted at Adonis after he referred to himself as "Daddy Stevenson?"

@AdonisSuperman Boss? Please! Let me put this in terms I know you'll understand. Haymon is your p*mp and you're his ho*. #puppet

LMFAO!

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brownsugar:

Canelo is safer with HBO. Similar to the extremely careful Adonis Stevenson and Quillen at Showtime it makes more sense for Canelo to go to HBO where he can be relatively safe from the challenge of an extremely deep junior middleweight division bursting at the seams with the rising prospects of the Charlo Brothers, Julian Williams and a host of other promising contenders. And he still never asked to rematch Mayweather.

The only question is.....how long can he resist the challenge of GGG who is also with HBO and save face at the same time?
Canelo cannot fight his growth hormones as easily as a shot Angulo..... as soon as he rises up to middleweight WHERE at least a half a dozen 160 pounders on either side of Showtime and HBO will be lining on his doorstep hoping to pop the red heads cherry.

A fighters life is interesting to say the least.

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brownsugar:

I here you Shadow.... Just no more breaking the pimp code....lol.

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deepwater2:

"Early in the process, we didn't view Clottey as a credible opponent," Espinoza said.



HAHA what a funny thing to read after a long day of work. That Espinoza sure can crack a good joke. That guy thinks credible opponents are: Rod Salka, Manuel Roman, a shot Angulo, Quillin's last few opponents, E Taylor etc etc



clottey might not be the best but at least he is the top 10 in the world. Lost to cotto and Pac but stayed on his feet against both and just whitewashed Mundine. At least Clottey is a tough guy with a pulse.





The redhead was with HBO before Showtime so its nothing new. Good job HBO

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Skibbz:

"I love it. Canelo has fire and wants to excite and put on good shows, not just snake a paycheck.

I have been saying Canelo needs an exciting fight head to head same night as Floyd's next one for 15$ less."


Viva el Rey, Viva el Canelo.

Haymon and Mayweather are backed into a corner, boxing isn't a one man party and the dreams of the few have fallen to the moves of the many. Great for boxing, great for Canelo and Oscar and most importantly to us viewers, great for the fans.

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amayseng:

In no way do I want to miss out on fights, I am just asking for competition to lower the ridiculous 75$ ppv prices..

OF course I am a die hard boxing fanatic.

However, I am a parent first, middle class and raise a son without anyone throwing me a bone........So I am picky with my ppv purchases......

I try to be sensible and limit myself, I hate to waste money even if I have it.

A few years back, or maybe a year ago there was a GGG ppv on a european card with some decent fights for like 25$, I bought that event in a second.

Sure with higher level fighters you need more revenue to pay a stacked card, but with so many ppv's this year and high prices, in a crap economy I have to be picky.

So yes I am asking for some lowered prices, one way or another.

I would be happy to get something like Boxnation here in the states..

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The Shadow:

"Where do I begin?

My main point is tsAH will not save boxing. Boxing will survive like it always has.

Other points:

1) Vince Mcmahon is a great businessman and he monopolized WWF/WWE.

Do you really want professional boxing monopolized by one person?

2) Most wrestling fans think that the WWE is watered down and boring compared to what it once was due to VM taking over and forcing it into a monopoly.

3) The WWE is losing money and its business model is failing.

Recent example from business insider:

'Things are looking grim for World Wrestling Entertainment and its money-losing streaming video service, the WWE Network.

In a sign of how hard the company is working to sign up new subscribers, the WWE announced Monday it will once again offer a one-week free trial to anyone who wants it.

The offer, which doesn't even require people to provide a credit card number, is one of several recent indicators that the company isn't getting much closer to the 1.4 million global subscribers it needs to make the WWE Network profitable.

The WWE Network gives fans access to the WWE's monthly special events — which were previously available only on pay-per-view for a price of ~$55 each — as well as old wrestling shows and new wrestling-related programming.

The bad news for the company started in April, when it announced the WWE Network had only 667,000 subscribers after telling investors the service could have as many as 2 million subscribers by the end of the year.

The following month, it released an adjusted business outlook that said the network would lose the company $50 million this year if subscription rates did not increase. That news, combined with a disappointing new TV rights contract, caused company stock to crash so badly that CEO and chairman Vince McMahon lost a third of his fortune in one day. "


- Giving away free subscriptions might be a bad sign for Showtime when looking at this bit of info.? A good product sells itself it does not need incentives.

-No wonder the PPV numbers that were leaked were way inflated.

4)Monopolies don't tend to work over periods of time,the free market usually breaks them up.

5) We have been getting a taste of terrible matchups on Showtime, including the undercard of Floyd's fight. If this is asign of how boxing will improve it better self destruct as soon as possible.

6)The cold war is coming to an end so instead of rooting for tsAH lets root for the great fights.

This can go on but its already took up too much space."


Appreciate the input. We can agree to disagree and just allow it to play out. As for Vince, he became a billionaire and revolutionized the industry.

The figures you refer to are the ones from the recently launched WWE Network, which is still in its transitioning period. One of the key things with something like this is re-educating the consumer into a different format of consumption.

Before we had billion dollar internet IPOs like Alibaba, Facebook and Twitter, we had the dot-com bubble burst a few years prior.

Vince knows what he's doing.

But no matter what, there is one key element that cannot be up for contention: Al Haymon investing in excess in $20 million just to bring back boxing to a national audience is something NO ONE else is doing.

Whether he's airing squash matches or main events, he's investing big bucks into bringing it back to mass audience -- something the suits aren't willing to do.

FWIW, this was the same strategy McMahon employed back in the '80s before everything eventually took off.

Lastly, the Cold War isn't ending; it's just getting started. Unfortunately. I'm rooting for boxing.

It will always live. But he will take it to another level of prominence. I'm telling you.

But like I said, we can agree to disagree and just wait and see how everything else plays out.

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deepwater2:

Where do I begin?



My main point is tsAH will not save boxing. Boxing will survive like it always has.



Other points:



1) Vince Mcmahon is a great businessman and he monopolized WWF/WWE.



Do you really want professional boxing monopolized by one person?



2) Most wrestling fans think that the WWE is watered down and boring compared to what it once was due to VM taking over and forcing it into a monopoly.



3) The WWE is losing money and its business model is failing.



Recent example from business insider:



'Things are looking grim for World Wrestling Entertainment and its money-losing streaming video service, the WWE Network.



In a sign of how hard the company is working to sign up new subscribers, the WWE announced Monday it will once again offer a one-week free trial to anyone who wants it.



The offer, which doesn't even require people to provide a credit card number, is one of several recent indicators that the company isn't getting much closer to the 1.4 million global subscribers it needs to make the WWE Network profitable.



The WWE Network gives fans access to the WWE's monthly special events - which were previously available only on pay-per-view for a price of ~$55 each - as well as old wrestling shows and new wrestling-related programming.



The bad news for the company started in April, when it announced the WWE Network had only 667,000 subscribers after telling investors the service could have as many as 2 million subscribers by the end of the year.



The following month, it released an adjusted business outlook that said the network would lose the company $50 million this year if subscription rates did not increase. That news, combined with a disappointing new TV rights contract, caused company stock to crash so badly that CEO and chairman Vince McMahon lost a third of his fortune in one day. "





- Giving away free subscriptions might be a bad sign for Showtime when looking at this bit of info.? A good product sells itself it does not need incentives.



-No wonder the PPV numbers that were leaked were way inflated.



4)Monopolies don't tend to work over periods of time,the free market usually breaks them up.



5) We have been getting a taste of terrible matchups on Showtime, including the undercard of Floyd's fight. If this is asign of how boxing will improve it better self destruct as soon as possible.



6)The cold war is coming to an end so instead of rooting for tsAH lets root for the great fights.



This can go on but its already took up too much space.

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Radam G:

L-Hazz did it a few times too many. He was the commission, not the referee. Hopping over ropes was overkill, meddling and very unprofessional IMHO. L-Hazz is a showoff and a hotdog who to be the exclusive one. Sorry, but I'm one of a million that never dug his style and stayed away from New Jersey doing his days. Holla!

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