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The Commish:

"No D, cant improvise, when he did fight in Europe proffessionally outside his comfort zone, he looked mediocre!"

Who is "D" who can't improvise? Daniel as in Daniel Geale?

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"Is it a possibility that Floyd's fighters have been caught cheating because they are his Ginny pigs to see if they can get passed these tests before Floyd himself uses??"

YUP! And don't think that quacks and $ & oahes -- remindful of Memo and Alex Ariza -- haven't applied to be on TMT's payroll.

Money May even suggested that Alex Ariza come to work for TMT.

However the undercover $ & coaches of TMT have fallen like flies, because particular guinea pigs are caught. Remember Micky Bey being caught with a ratio of 30-to-1. And Money May was popped twice before the corrupted NSAC moved the ratio from 4-to-1 up to 6-to-1. Holla!

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stormcentre:

I don't see anyone getting told to leave for getting caught juicing.

And in answer to your question; yes.

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The Commish:

My "little" Long Island--and all 7 1/2 million of us who live here--is back on the map again, thanks to Chris Algieri.

Dr. Algieri will be a guest on my SiriusXM show this Friday evening between 6-8pm (ET). Listen in to hear what he has to say about what I expect will be his second consecutive major upset come Nov. 22.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

Is it a possibility that Floyd's fighters have been caught cheating because they are his Ginny pigs to see if they can get passed these tests before Floyd himself uses??

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stormcentre:

:)

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The Commish:

I think Wach is now training your favorite heavyweight, Travis Walker, Bernie, and Povetkin and Chagaev have been hired as his main sparring partners. The rumor is, Wladimir Klitschko wants one more fight this year--after taking care of Kubrat Pulev next month--and he's looking to face your guy, the legendary Travis Walker.

Nice to have you back.

-Randy G.

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deepwater2:

"I haven't heard Mayweather use the phrase "Olympic style testing." I've only heard him say "the test" or "random blood and urine.""



The question is , why doesn't Floyd get tested randomly 365 24/7?



Donaire seems to be the only fighter in the world that allows a lab to test him 365 24/7whether he is in training for a fight or not.



Floyd can do it , why doesn't he?

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The Commish:

I had intended to take that day off and head to the Barclay's Center for a night of boxing. I think I'll take my wife to an early dinner, instead, and watch the card on TV.

-Randy G.

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Bernie Campbell:

No D, cant improvise, when he did fight in Europe proffessionally outside his comfort zone, he looked mediocre!

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deepwater2:

"Spot on.



To be able to say the fight is clean and/or catch them is easy (in my opinion, and I don't want offend anyone here).



All that's required is a contract that explicitly stipulates;



1) Truly independent blood testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) on a weekly basis.



2) Testing for all known and suspected agents.



3) No confidentiality clauses.



4) Truly independent urine testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) in addition to the blood testing, but never without it on a weekly basis. Each fighter is then given a box of harmless but different colored placebos (pill) that have a unique chemical signature. The fighter or team is advised electronically (could be by SMS) on which pill to take for what day, and the urine sample is then taken, and either kept by the fighter, given to the collector if they're present, and/or produced when required.



This way no-one else's urine can be used regardless of when the collection takes place.





Done deal."




Thanks. You hit it out of the park.

Year round testing with the protocol you just listed is the solution to the problem.

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Bernie Campbell:

too much hype1 that philly thing! Chagaev and Povetkin would take care of business hands down! wheres Wach lately?

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The Commish:

I got one wrong...the same one as Radam. I didn't know the "Benicia Boy" was John Heenan. My age got me through a lot of the questions (I actually knew Sonji Roi, Aileen Eaton, Nova Spinks and Vickie LaMotta).

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

Good discussion, great info and knowledge



Storm has the educated background for sure!

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The Commish:

Exactly, Storm. If the pre-Mago Perez shows up, any heavyweight in the world is gonna' have his hands full. But, until that bell rings, we are not going to know which Perez to expect.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

NO! BJ is more an American dope and a hyped-up hope. Hehehe! Sorry! But boksing is real. And he is not the real deal. Holla!

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stormcentre:

If Perez is on his "A" game and not still psychologically impacted from the Mago incident Jennings will be KO'd or beaten up.

The fluidity of Perez' punches, his power and his footwork, will be too much for Jennings; particularly if Perez gets inside.

Still, it's hard to know which Perez will show up.

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Radam G:

I'm the typical boxer who is facetious. And can always agree to disagree. Because I have always gone after boxers on dat syet and beat their arses.

Boxing is largely a mental game. A mind game. A chess game. You know that. Roids and PEDs put stress on the users. And in boxing, if you are in stress, you a mess. You need to be a cool, calm, collected operator. And the cheat syet of roids and PEDs messes up the rhythm and rhyme of your electrical system.

And without that perfect storm of electrical dynamics, you are shortening out. Because it is always mind over matter. And the mind needs to be in perfect working condition -- no bootlegged electrical working. Being slightly off will put one in a perfect shortening out of an arse whuppin.' Roids and PEDs bootleg your syet. And the bodee doesn't play dat for long.

You know what happens when electrical wires fall on to the wet surface. The human's whole bodeee has its own electrical system that is in perfect harmony and balance with the internal bodee wires not dropping onto the wet.

Just as Apple and the late Steve Jobs did for communication, and people didn't know and some still don't know. There are catchers of roids and PEDs users. And dat syet has minimum and placedo effect in boxing. Because boxing is brain over brawn. The love of juice, will be make one in boxing a tasty goose. And as lame as a moose. Holla!

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stormcentre:

I personally don’t think that Olympic style testing is a phrase and/or something to be held in high regard.

The Olympics have an absolutely unenviable reputation in turning a blind eye and also performance enhancing substance testing

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stormcentre:

"From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte


“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?”"


Spot on.

To be able to say the fight is clean and/or catch them is easy (in my opinion, and I don't want offend anyone here).

All that's required is a contract that explicitly stipulates;

1) Truly independent blood testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) on a weekly basis.

2) Testing for all known and suspected agents.

3) No confidentiality clauses.

4) Truly independent urine testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) in addition to the blood testing, but never without it on a weekly basis. Each fighter is then given a box of harmless but different colored placebos (pill) that have a unique chemical signature. The fighter or team is advised electronically (could be by SMS) on which pill to take for what day, and the urine sample is then taken, and either kept by the fighter, given to the collector if they're present, and/or produced when required.

This way no-one else's urine can be used regardless of when the collection takes place.


Done deal.

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stormcentre:

"Radam, if there are indeed ways to catch someone practically all the time, I'd like to hear what those ways are. It doesn't even have to be divulging anything, just a hint.

Not saying I don't believe you but considering everything that we know about cheaters being way ahead of the curve, it does sound a little unlikely."


Very diplomatic . . . :)

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oubobcat:

The Ruelas brothers were on of my favorite combinations. They fought on tv a lot in in the 90's and often made for action fights.

Gabriel Ruelas' fight with Arturo Gatti is one of my all time favorite fights. And Rafael Ruelas' fights almost always ended with someone being knocked out whether it it was or his opponent.

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stormcentre:

"WOW! Storm, that is an amazing, high-level breakdown of this stuff. How are you so knowledgable about this? This is scientific dissertation level information! Incredible!



Please give me some time before I can read and comprehend it all... Thanks for sharing this.



It certainly makes sense why Lance would get so cocky. He undoubtedly thought he was above the system. Man, I understand why you questioned that other poster as well who wrote a bit about VADA.



Also, those quotes from the article I listed were from MEMO HEREDIA!! That is something he went on the record to say - granted, in another country - and then he suddenly comes back to boxing with a desire to clean it up.



Which is certainly plausible. Except his main fighter suddenly grows bulging deltoids, acne pops up all over his back and he suddenly brutally floors Manny Pacquiao twice in six rounds.



What I found interesting about the first knockdown in December of 2012 is that in 2011, Marquez landed the exact same punch (overhand right) in the exact same spot in the ring with the EXACT same setup and the EXACT same impact in the third fight.



Unlike the third fight, this time Pacquiao fell like a sack of potatoes, as if he had been shot. (On a pure skill level -- which is almost irrelevant in this discussion -- this is indeed a testament to how much better of a craftsman Marquez is, which nullified Pacquiao's athletic advantages and thus created an equal matchup.)



Now Marquez is a puncher, a razor-sharp one. But he's not heavy-handed, at least not by accounts.



But he is doing this to a guy he has never floored before -- the same dude who took bombs from Miguel Cotto, got his eardrum punctured, his neck snapped...... And not a damn thing happened! He didn't even slow down! Or as Paulie Malignaggi said, he "walked through Cotto's punches like they were spit!"



He just continued walking this thunderous puncher down with reckless abandon. Yet Marquez brutally floors him, sends him on Queer Street in the very next round and then knocks him unconscious after that.



Now if a former proud cheater like MH pretends to want to clean up a sport and his poster boy is a guy who does the aforementioned to a guy with THAT kind of punch resistance?!



Come on.



Storm, I'll try to digest it all and I'll get back to you. Unbelievable stuff. Especially how people will turn their blind eye to it."




Thank you.



Let me say this.



Some of the words and the science I use . . may be foreign to some of you. Perhaps not.



Nonetheless, for those that are taken back by them remember this; they're only words.



They are not punches.



Most of the people that work in the industries I implicitly or explicitly refer to, are for all intensive purposes practically clueless about how sports such as boxing really work.



I am lucky to have experience across a range of different areas because I studied as I boxed - kind of like how Barrera did to become a lawyer.



You may not believe this, but as an amateur boxer, for a while, I lived in the back of a station wagon (estate for the USA readers), studied like that, and lied to some of my fellow university student friends about my living conditions because I was too embarrassed and most doing the courses I was doing were from well heeled families.



I made money waiting and (allegedly) illegally betting on my amateur fights, and sparring (warring) sessions. Then, I became a private detective and debt collector for a very long time as I studied, which was a very colorful life to say the least. It afforded me long hours sitting in vans/cars conducting surveillance whereby I could read and study.



Since I also ran (but not owned) a very popular nightclub that also used to be the hub for all things to all people, there was also a never ending series of interesting clientele, gangs, security and other "nefarious and/or notorious" people and happenings that took place.



I had the keys to a local boxing gym and took many "issues", whether they be ones that were waged on or not, there; if they were not sorted out by general discussion or other happenings on the spot.



As you can imagine not many were. :)



When I academically graduated I then realized that my experiences on the street, in life, with people, and also in the ring put me ahead of many of those that I was working in, in my chosen (academic) vocation.



From it all I learned that anyone can learn - but not all people can think.



Soon after I made a decision to keep boxing and continue post graduate studying part time, and for that I moved to California (LA, SF, Oxnard and Camarillo).



No matter what people say, Boxing (not just fighting) is a thinking man's game, and I believe a world title is far more prestigious than any degree - but a degree - like boxing skills - gives you options and knowledge; just as Sugar Ray Leonard realized when he destroyed Duran the second time.



In that second fight Leonard realized he wasn't using his intellect in the first fight and therefore wasting all those years of being a boxing undergraduate (as an amateur).



This is why, most technicians can usually turn around a loss to a swarming fighter, as I believe Frank recently touched on in one of his articles.



Don't ever forget that hypocritical and senseless critics are (usually) just people that can't do what others can.



These molecules, hemoglobin, and red blood cells; they're just as easily envisaged as a construct of tiny circles within a fluid called blood.



It's not really overly complex - certainly not as hard as 3 rounds against the top dog in your gym.



Hemoglobin molecules give blood the red color and they carry oxygen and take away carbon dioxide - simple.



Red blood cells are (basically) clumps of Hemoglobin molecules at a far less magnification.



The rest you know.



Keep up the good posts.

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The Shadow:

"From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte


“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?”"


I haven't heard Mayweather use the phrase "Olympic style testing." I've only heard him say "the test" or "random blood and urine."

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The Shadow:

"What does you guys think of Ustinov at +400? Is that a good spot? I like Fury's fighting spirit but I question his chin and ability."

There is no way in hell they let him in with someone who stands even a little chance of beating him.

Besides, even if they were even in all departments, the fact that Fury had a camp would be the difference. Just look at Kevin Johnson who lost to Chisora despite the fact that Johnson is way better. No fitness.

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deepwater2:

From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte





"Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing," Conte states. "I've never liked the use of that phrase. 'Olympic' means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that's not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?"

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The Shadow:

Radam, if there are indeed ways to catch someone practically all the time, I'd like to hear what those ways are. It doesn't even have to be divulging anything, just a hint.

Not saying I don't believe you but considering everything that we know about cheaters being way ahead of the curve, it does sound a little unlikely.

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deepwater2:

From NY



The Judah Brothers(too many to count.)



Michael Jr and Tokunbo Olajide

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ArneK.:

The Viruets and the Quarrys -- splendid choices. Of course there was a third Mayweather brother, Jeff Mayweather, the youngest of the three, who was a cut above a journeyman and had a fairly decent career. I never knew Floyd Sr., but I was very familiar with Roger and Jeff and they were two different cats. Roger is, how shall I say it, earthy. Jeff comes across as cerebral. In the cursing department ....well, that was Roger's department. I can't recall Jeff ever using a swear word. I think the only reason Jeff got into boxing was because he felt an obligation to uphold the Mayweather lineage.

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flackoguapo:

What does you guys think of Ustinov at +400? Is that a good spot? I like Fury's fighting spirit but I question his chin and ability.

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