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stormcentre:

Kahn really is running off his mouth about Floyd and the possible fight.

Sounds a little desperate and silly sometimes.

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Radam G:

Hehehe! That was funny. Poor Amir Khan should have taken the gig last time, instead throwing out a ridiculous alibi about the Muslim's Holy month of Ramadan preventing him from training properly to dance with Money May at that time.

Life in boxing is that if on an opportunity you snooze, you lose. Holla!

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Radam G:

Humans are forever bias. I maintain that robots should be judges. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"I hope that Holy comes out of retirement and retires him, and then retires again. Hehe! Holla!"

Oh that's just mean.

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stormcentre:

Yes, not bad DD.



Actually, very good.



The flaws with the current sanction(s) scoring/judging system (mostly) all stem from how subjective, and therefore both justifiably different and theoretically correct (because scoring is quite literally/legally allowed to be subjective, rather than purely objective - which is, ironically, how we critiques sometime {wrongly} feel/justify we are judging the judging) each scorecard is.



With many sanctions points or subjective success within each round can be allotted by a judge for defensive moves also - but this rarely happens and as such is often forgotten about when scorecards are presented that seem unusually wide.



Despite how it may be wrong or right; if you and I sit across from each other, watching and judging Carl Froch - on his home turf - swing and miss against Andre Dirrell; but we both score the fight wildly different due to;



1) Your interest in (the highly subjective term) "effective" aggression and also a fighter that "makes" the fight, but lands both fewer but the more powerful blows.



2) My interest in a boxer that can make his mark miss and pay, but in doing so - whilst he easily out-lands his mark - he is in/out so much that some (as many do) see this approach to boxing and/or fighting as one that's afraid to stand and trade - despite the fact that; (a) boxing is the hit and not get hit game, and (b) other than any which morally may exist to spectators and the promoter, there actually is no contracted/legal obligation for any fighter to stand and trade - whether or not he has the ability to hit and make his opponent miss.



In the context of most sanction's rules; it is entirely possible that we would both be entirely correct in what we did - even if our cards were wildly different.



I don't see how your system would resolve that - often misunderstood - conundrum with prizefighting and its scoring.



That said, you, in some ways, and perhaps indirectly, acknowledge that issue.



Furthermore, you don't profess to solve it.



Therefore, it's fair that your proposal should be reasonably safe from judgment on that aspect of consideration and how it applies.



Reasonably safe, is, as you no doubt are aware, is a subjective term in itself.



I still think your scoring idea, which has similarities to tennis, has merits though.



I see how the main thrust of your construct or concept is that you want to introduce a greater degree of granularity to scoring, and also perhaps expose the quantitative elements and/or the quantifiable data that a scoring card and scored round comprises of.



That's both a noble and challenging thought.



Essentially, if successful, you would - in one move - potentially bring both more transparency and accountability to scoring, and therefore controversial decisions.



This would potentially also remove, or greatly reduce, influence and how it is exerted within commercial boxing matches; which may actually be the the death nell for the idea as much as it explains why out current system has lasted for so long.



But let's leave that thought there for a while - as it is a little negative, and your idea is remarkably positive - or at least it can be advertised as such.



For your idea, and its increased granularity, accountability and transparency to work . . I think there would need to be clearly defined aspects of boxing/judging that points can be awarded and/or deducted for, and a way to ensure points are allocated for those aspects of the game, fight and promotion; which would understandably put a lot more pressure on judges.



If not, the increased granularity that the (extra) numbers themselves represent (that you propose), would possibly give rise to greater questions.



Such as why they exist on certain scorecards within certain fights.



As you can see, along with the increased granularity potentially comes a lot of questions.



And a lot (more) of questions about the way one of the most subjectively judged (both from officials and spectators) sports is officiated, might just (at least in the eyes of those that control large aspects of the sport) expose and/or confirm certain uncomfortable truths about how the sport really works.



In it's current guise the sport has a financial means of profiting from the controversy associated with it's subjective and controversial nature; without anyone really being able to confirm their suspicions as to how/why the controversy and/or concerning scorecard came to exist in the first place.



Usually that means is associated with if not directly connected to commissions and rematches.



I am unsure how the entire establishment, promoters, advisors, and other boxing kingpins would respond to more granularity, accountability and transparency.



Usually small doses of such commodities result in large repercussions and backlashes, and as such they are usually treated as a "problem" in the same way as you have (justifiably) treated the existing, and largely exploitable, scoring system.



None of this means your idea is not theoretically clever - it is.



More than likely - particularly whilst there exists no reliable, objective, and accepted electronic means of tallying scoring punches and all the other boxing aspects/maneuvers (such as effective evasiveness) that may comprise of and/or be associated with the additional numbers and granularity you have suggested - it means that the idea is, practically, uninteresting; due to the changes and "problems" it may represent to the entire establishment, promoters, advisors, and other boxing kingpins.



Where I possibly see it initially gaining traction is with networks, but then if the promoters don't like it, or it gets in the way of how they do business; that will kill the network's interest to.



Change and accountability is a scary thing in this world to a lot of people - particularly those that profit from ambiguity and controversy.



However, within a plutocracy, change can be considered to be downright horrific and as such treated like either the devil, VADA, police or taxman; take your pick - or take them all.



Personally, I like your idea and would like to see it implemented as I have above described.

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Radam G:

I hope that Holy comes out of retirement and retires him, and then retires again. Hehe! Holla!

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Radam G:

"Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters.

I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be.

But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart.

Your comments on Merchant prove it.

I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did.

Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly."


Floyd was and is totally aware of that, as all boxers know the truthfully good guys and the minute amount of racists.

Lil' Floyd is an arch hypocrite, and just pops off at the mouth for effect and to control the dimwitted, naive groupies fanfaronades and lazy-will-never-do-their-research fan boys who go along to get along to get along. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I never thought of Cooney, but I have to agree with you, his size and power could have been too much for many former champs ! I did think of Buster Douglas, but only the one who fought Mike Tyson, not the one who showed up to pick up his check against Holyfield !"

Definitely not the over slob who came to fight Holy. Holla!

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Froggy:

"You guys thought of Chuvalo dancing with Doc Wlad G, but I was thinking Buster Douglas and Gerry Cooney. I pick them both to kayo Doc Wlad K, "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano. Styles make fights and those greats that I named would have ducked Douglas and Cooney. Holla!"



I never thought of Cooney, but I have to agree with you, his size and power could have been too much for many former champs ! I did think of Buster Douglas, but only the one who fought Mike Tyson, not the one who showed up to pick up his check against Holyfield !

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stormcentre:

I can't see Froch wanting to fight Dirrell again.

I know his fight with Froch was controversial.

But for my money Andre won that fight, and in some senses (even though he is somewhat of a timid fighter, particularly when faced with a powerfully punching opponent; regardless of their skill level and/or inferiority) he schooled Carl.

Froch was made to miss and look amateurish.

Froch was beaten to the punch and seriously exposed for the weaknesses he has with slick fighters and movers.

The Dirrell V Froch fight was essentially a perfect prequel and brilliant timing for Ward, who must have been licking his lips with joy knowing that both;

a) He was soon going to (in the super 6 tournament) meet Froch.

b) Froch is a basic, but very successful, fighter who is reliant on his stamina and incredible determination/toughness; who exhibits the above-mentioned difficulties when faced with pure and well skilled boxers that possess similar championship levels of stamina, determination, experience and toughness.

I'd like to see Andre Dirrell get a title and/or in position to fight 3G as a professional.

The fight would show us how 3G deals with guys that aren't so hand picked . . guys that perhaps represent top (or thereabouts) level fighters . . whom possess; good amateur experience/fundamentals, excellent boxing skills that are tried/tested in the professional ranks, good defence, good speed/mobility, and also (at least) decent power - all wrapped up into one.

After all, it's this package (and perhaps more) that 3G possesses - which is why he is usually superior to most of his opponents; that usually lack some essentials off the aforementioned list

Dirrell or someone else possessing the aforementioned list of attributes, would foreseeably be able to pressure and make Gennady work for distance and position - which he needs to time and set up his KO punches.

For those reasons it would be a good fight, where the outcome was perhaps not such a foregone conclusion - as Rubio and many other 3G opponents and fights are.

Anyway, that said; I still think 3G would eventually "catch" and roll over Andre Dirrell.

As Dirrell often closes up and changes in a negative sense during the fight (like Khan can), as soon as he feels power and knows his opponent is not bothered/bamboozled by his superior speed and skills.

Interestingly though (or perhaps it's not) - and despite the fact that, for the above-mentioned reasons, at times Dirrell looked down right timid against Curtis Stevens whom 3G has destroyed – whilst there are other easier opponents, I still don't think Gennady is interested in a Dirrell fight.

In my opinion this is due to how tricky Andre Dirrell is, how hard it may be for 3G to look good against him, and also how Dirrell has also, previously, fared quite well against 3G as an amateur.

Moving back to and finishing this post off with Froch; in my opinion, really, to sustain his current status, I think he needs to fight guys that are not faster and/or similarly - but not more - ring savvy than him.

Julio Cesar Chavez or retire then?

Perhaps that’s a little rough . . I mean, after all, ever since the super 6 tournament, Carl – with whatever limitations he may have as a boxer – still, really has travelled aboard and taken on a rouges gallery of opponents.

Even in the fights he has lost, save for the one with Andre Ward, he has never really been dominated and/or beaten up.

Plus the guy is almost always prepared to rematch.

They don’t come tougher that’s for sure.

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stormcentre:

I can't see Froch wanting to fight Dirrell again.

I know his fight with Froch was controversial.

But for my money Andre won that fight, and in some senses (even though he is somewhat of a timid fighter, particularly when faced with a powerfully punching opponent; regardless of their skill level and/or inferiority) he schooled Carl.

Froch was made to miss and look amateurish.

Froch was beaten to the punch and seriously exposed for the weaknesses he has with slick fighters and movers.

The Dirrell V Froch fight was essentially a perfect prequel and brilliant timing for Ward, who must have been licking his lips with joy knowing that both;

a) He was soon going to (in the super 6 tournament) meet Froch.

b) Froch is a basic, but very successful, fighter who is reliant on his stamina and incredible determination/toughness; who exhibits the above-mentioned difficulties when faced with pure and well skilled boxers that possess similar championship levels of stamina, determination, experience and toughness.

I'd like to see Andre Dirrell get a title and/or in position to fight 3G as a professional.

The fight would show us how 3G deals with guys that aren't so hand picked . . guys that perhaps represent top (or thereabouts) level fighters . . whom possess; good amateur experience/fundamentals, excellent boxing skills that are tried/tested in the professional ranks, good defence, good speed/mobility, and also (at least) decent power - all wrapped up into one.

After all, it's this package (and perhaps more) that 3G possesses - which is why he is usually superior to most of his opponents; that usually lack some essentials off the aforementioned list

Dirrell or someone else possessing the aforementioned list of attributes, would foreseeably be able to pressure and make Gennady work for distance and position - which he needs to time and set up his KO punches.

For those reasons it would be a good fight, where the outcome was perhaps not such a foregone conclusion - as Rubio and many other 3G opponents and fights are.

Anyway, that said; I still think 3G would eventually "catch" and roll over Andre Dirrell.

As Dirrell often closes up and changes in a negative sense during the fight (like Khan can), as soon as he feels power and knows his opponent is not bothered/bamboozled by his superior speed and skills.

Interestingly though, (or perhaps it's not) I don't think Gennady is interested in a Dirrell fight - due to how tricky Andre Dirrell is, how hard it may be for 3G to look good against him, and also how Dirrell has also, previously, fared quite well against 3G as an amateur.

Froch, really, to sustain his current status, needs to fight guys that are not faster and/or similarly or more ring savvy than him.

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stormcentre:

Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters.

I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be.

But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart.

Your comments on Merchant prove it.

I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did.

Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly.

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stormcentre:

Well, I echo BS' sentiments.

"I hope he doesn't hurt himself".

Sure, age can be - for some - just a number.

But boxing - even just the training that doesn't involve contact that's required to get into match-condition - can be extremely demanding on a 20 or 30 year old body; not to mention one that's 40 or 50.

Father time waits for no man, and if Billy is (justifiably; for his age) set in his ways and sleeping in at 5.30am most mornings .. it may just be that he finds out the hard way that his while he was doing that his opponent was doing road work and angrily thinking of how to remove him from his consciousness in ways that do involve sleeping - but not in a bed.

Hope I am wrong, as I admire the guy's tenacity to still competitively jump in the ring at 50.

Wonder how hard and who he will be matched to.

No need to - father time, in good time, will probably tell us that too.

:)

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stormcentre:

Agree, but with several caveats that I can expand on later.

Regardless of the caveats the guy is a living legend that has, quite literally, eclipsed several other rock and movie stars by just showing up to their gigs and/or similar places they frequent.

I remember (years ago) a Diana Ross event in the USA where there were hundreds if not thousands of fans waiting there to see her.

Ali rocks up (for some reason) and - just as Diana Ross is making her long awaited exodus - the very reason all the fans where there and waiting; the entire crowd discards her, and turns to pay Ali respect.

So . . Diana Ross did the same!

Aside from that when ever has there been - or when will there ever be - another more memorable fight - replete with an absolutely sensational "once in a lifetime ending", where both guys are (in some way, shape or in/direct form) ready to quit, with, and rather sensationally;

a) One totally exhausted and legendary fighter (Ali) ready to quite openly quit - but indirectly and, as luck would have it, fortunately, via the clever, hesitant and rewarding reluctance of his trainer (Dundee) - who shrewdly thought to, first, before following Ali's request to cut his gloves off, look across the ring . . . to see how Frazier, and more importantly what (his trainer) Futch, was doing.

b) Another not quite so exhausted, but both almost blind and equally legendary fighter (Frazier), who was very reluctant to have the fight stopped; only to have Eddie Futch dismiss that iconic and insanely brave notion to make a judgment call in favour of his fighter's health - something that turned out to be both a fateful and famous decision (in many ways) that would go on to echo through eternity for . . not just Futch - but also both Frazier and Ali in equal magnitudes - but, unfortunately for Frazier, at entirely opposite ends of the integer scale.

You - or even Mickey Rourke - simply couldn't script an ending like that, and that's why boxing is the theatre of life and the unexpected; as both are not mutually exclusive.

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stormcentre:

"Floyd,the ghost of fights you should have taken will haunt you forevvvvvvvvvver and follow you to the grave and beyond, "Why didn't you fite Pac, or Why didn't Fraud fite Pac, why o why?!"

BirdDog.

Where you been man?

Cool alias.

Tell us (what you're comfortable with) about yourself.

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stormcentre:

Oh did I mention this game is all about money?

You have to understand all the revenue streams before all the decisions even start to make sense.

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stormcentre:

"Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined"



You may be right.



But then you may be wrong too.



Bob and TR's new (2 year old) business plan involves capturing the Asian market, and currently I still see no-one (in the TR stables) that can assist Mr. Arum with that task as well as Pacquaio; particularly whilst he is both a wildly popular active fighter and politician.



Aside from that, and on a pure boxing level, who (at the moment) has TR got that is marketable and dynamic as Pacquaio both has been and is?



The guy is a flowing river of money for Bob and TR in so many ways.



Plus, he doesn't give Bob any of the egotistical push-back and/or other legal headaches that most other big (or even half Manny's popularity) boxing stars do.



For the most part Pacquaio just acts in accordance with the promotional contract.



Finally, (regardless of TR's above-mentioned Asian interests and business model) what a future contact for Bob Arum to have in (looking after) Manny Pacquaio . . . I mean, look at (the geographic locations of) some of the biggest and most memorable fights in history . .



Thriller in Manilla, Rumble in the Jungle . . etc.



I can't see how it does Bob any good not to nurture and covet the best investment he has got and had for a while.



Particularly considering that Pacquaio could one day be the guy that influences/decides whether an Asian and/or Philippine nation and/or given territorial area spends tax dollars (or the equivalent in Philippine currency) on a big Top Rank fight - just as the Indonesian heads of state did for Frazier and Ali with the Thriller In Manilla all those years ago.



Arum may rub the fans, fighters and other promoters up the wrong way from time to time, but the guy is shrewd, smart and a lawyer.



You don't get to be, and last, in the boxing-promotional game, for as long as Bob has been without being absolutely crackling sharp and extremely savvy.



Additionally, there's a reason Bob promoted and lined up Chris Algeiri (a solid B grade fighter) to fight Pacquaio (a solid A++) fighter, and it's not because Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses, to Mayweather or anyone.



Anyway, I get your point and appreciate the fact you made it.



I see you're relatively new here - welcome.



Finally, we all enjoy a solid and healthy debate on this forum, and I am by no means right just because I come across with confidence.



So, please, let me have it if I am wrong.



:cool:

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dino da vinci:

I want to say the last time I saw him fight was about 20 years ago. Remember absolutely nothing other than he was tough.

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Birddog:

Floyd,the ghost of fights you should have taken will haunt you forevvvvvvvvvver and follow you to the grave and beyond, "Why didn't you fite Pac, or Why didn't Fraud fite Pac, why o why?!

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dino da vinci:

"John the Beast Mugabi vs Gennady Golovkin.

It's 2014, John Mugabi has 31 straight knocouts, including a ko victory over Chavez Junior at a catch weight of 169 lbs. He's been made the number one challenger at 160 lbs by every alphabet sanctioning body. But it just so happens that none of the other champs are quite ready to face the beast even when threatened with being stripped of their titles.

Jacobs, Quillen, Lemieu, and even Andy Lee find ways to be too busy by either feeding their newborn babies, Participating in polical activism, assisting in feed the hungry drives or carrying sand bags in some foreign country after a being hit by a hurricane.

But there is one fighter who saw Mugabi's destruction of the cement chinned Chavez Jr.... And his juices started flowing. Finally a challenger has emerged...GGG thinks to himself.... he looks like a veddy good boy.
Held 200 ft below ground and locked behind a five inch thick solid iron door the monster stirs.

Gennady's handlers remove the shackles, chains, and restraining bars that have held him in his self imposed imprisonment until a worthy challenger could be found.
*****************************************************************************************************
I know ...sounds like an epic action flick directed by Stephen Chow ( Kung Fun Hustle) but I think Mugabi vs GGG would be and equally epic fight.
When fighters are still undefeated, they usually carry an aura of invincibility and supreme confidence that seems to elevate them to a status of near immortality as the fighter cannot comprehend the meaning of losing a fight......Its a frame of mind in which they usually do their best work.

Even the Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to keep his hands high while chipping away at Mugabi from the out side until the Beast finally revealed his mortal side.

After the fight Hagler literally had knots on his forehead where Mugabi hit him over his high guard. (Who does that???)

I think Golovkin has a 60-40 chance to defeat Mugabi if he can keep from getting cut too badly. I also envision him tasting the canvas at least once or twice for the first time due to his irresistible tendacy to trade. But in the long run Golovkins ability to change the arc of his punches on the fly and land punches from every angle, eventually wears the fearless Mugabi down by the late rounds, ... subsequently ending the fight via stunning KO."



Some of your best work. I loved the middleweights from that era. Led by the Marvelous One himself.

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dino da vinci:

Great, accurate posts.

By the way, you're not obligated to stay at the host casino. You have literally 150,000 choices.

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Radam G:

"Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that."


Hehehe! I'm not the only one that has ever hid in plain sight. Larry Merchant is a serial investor in pugs. Holla!

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amayseng:

Yep Paulie's words no longer carry any intrigue or respect from me.

He sold out to the dark side.

If you are poor you do what you have to to make a living and take care of your family.

Paulie already had money, he sold out his morals and values for more money.

No respect in that.

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stormcentre:

"It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!"


Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that.

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Radam G:

"Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined"

First! Da Manny would beat Money May. Second! The mainland USA doesn't define how much money that Da Manny makes.

He is not like Money May. And is showing off his darn money.

Forty eight million people watched Da Manny in China in his last bout. Around the world, close to a billion people watch him. His total worldly money from PPV, closed circuit , television, endorsements, entrepreneurship and movie acting and singing makes Money May look like a charity case.

Money May is the typical "Ugly American," racist bullsyeter playing to his audience of naive ethnocentric Amerkanos who thinks that their syet doesn't stinks and everybody else in the world catches a cold if they sneeze. Holla!

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aljamieson:

Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined

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Radam G:

"a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there.

b) Nice, and not entirely untrue.

c) Nice.

d) Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to."


It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Paulie is a company man now. He tows the line for the one that signs his checks. Paulie is a great announcer but it is no coincidence that he got his gig soon after signing with tsAH . Showtime man Espinoza thanks tsAH very morning before he wakes up before he thanks God.



Paulie used to rip tsAH before he was brought into the fray on the dark side.



The old Paulie would rip Stevenson for making the moves he has made and fighting the guys he is fighting.

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Radam G:

"Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !"

You guys thought of Chuvalo dancing with Doc Wlad G, but I was thinking Buster Douglas and Gerry Cooney. I pick them both to kayo Doc Wlad K, "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano. Styles make fights and those greats that I named would have ducked Douglas and Cooney. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Now what you have said there is even more particularly true (Oxymoron?) if . . . and I'm not saying this is or is not the case . . Arum believes that Pacquaio can't beat Floyd and it's soon going to be time to cash in/out . . . which is what some insiders think.

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Jo Jo Dan and Kevin Bizier renwed acquiantances on Friday night, in Montreal, at the Pepsi Coliseum, on Showtime, in a welter struggle. After rounds of decent action, we had a split decision. The scores were: 115-112 (Dan), 114-113 (Bizier) and 114-113 (Dan). Dan (33-2 entering) is 33, was 146 3/4while Bizier (23-1 entering), 30, was 146 ¾. In the first, the lefty Dan, from Romania, had the peppier jab. Biz wanted to land the right on the lefty. Al B said that Dan needed to double the jab, while Biz had to be busier than when they fought...

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Andre Dirrell Has Easy Time Of It, Gets UD12 Over Edwards on SHO

Andre Dirrell took on Derek Edwards, in an A- class vs. B minus class clash at super middle Friday night, in Montreal, at the Pepsi Coliseum, on Showtime. Dirrell was in total control the whole way, and the judges couldn't, wouldn't dare, screw things up. They saw it 119-109, 120-108, 119-107. Dirrell said before round twelve that his left hand was hurting him, and maybe was broken. Dirrell went 2250-591 to 47-269 for the loser. Edwards (27-3-1 entering) is 35, and was 167, and 5-9 in height. The Michiganer Dirrell at 31 was 167 ¾ and...

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Beterbiev Goes Down, Turns It Around, Stops Page in Rd. 2

Powerful and still a bit crude Artur Beterbiev hit the deck in round one, and then woke up to punish Jeff Page in the TV opener on Showtime Friday night, which unfolded in Montreal. 2:21 was the ending time, as Beterbiev scored three knockdowns in round two on Page, who came in brave, and left groggy. Page (age 29; 15-0 entering; trained a month at Abel Sanchez’ gym) was 174 1/2, while the Russian-born B (6-0 entering; coming off win over ex champ Tavoris Cloud) was 174 1/4. In the first, Page slid left and right, respected the power....

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KO Rd. 5

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Sergio Thompson

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Herbert Quartey

KO Rd. 2

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