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The Shadow:

"Hey Shadow....
I hear tsAH is putting his stable of 120+ fighters to work by having them matched on CBS who is producing a new boxing series in 2015.

I guess its the next logical move... Do you know if there is any truth to it?"


Al Haymon's going to save boxing, bro. And Dino Da Vinci.

In the very near future, barring sabotage, you will see a uniform league, unions, a pension plan for fighters, drug testing and increased safety.

To answer your question: History is repeating itself all over again.

There's a reason for all these mass signings. The more assets you have, the more capital you can raise. The more capital you can raise, the more power you have.

Al Haymon, by far, has the most assets in boxing.

And to address your point again, he's turning the business model upside down.

Instead of one promoter controlling the direction -- and the financial fate -- of a handful of managers who in turn control the fate of a handful of fighters, this manager now controls the promoters and EVERYTHING must go through him.

All these traditionalist, change-resistant, roody poo promoters, managers and organizations are just struggling to conform, struggling to innovate and are panicking so they can protect their interests.

This happened in the '80s. History is repeating itself all over again.

Back then, these old farts were upset with young hotshot promoter Vince McMahon, who wanted to defy an unwritte rules -- not unlike the unwritten rule that in boxing, the fighters are the hoes or track horses (just being honest) -- in order to build his empire.

He tried to work with them but they were disgusted with his audacity, upset with his lack of disregard for some invisible, mythical pecking order the old timers arrogantly thought existed.

Refusing to get with the program, these guys then got into a room to conspire against McMahon. "And the only thing they could agree on was that they hated my guts," he said.

So McMahon carried on as usual, signed all their talent to better deals and eventually ran them all out of business.

It's the EXACT same thing that played out in the '80s. Just ask Randy, he was there. And he knows McMahon. (Who's far more ruthless than Haymon, by the way.)

In the business of boxing, before, the guys in charged used the fighters. Now the guy in power works with the fighters. That's the difference.

Haymon is preventing these guys from exploiting fighters and this is why they hate him. It's like when you empower a prostitute so the pimp can no longer use her.

I once had a friend who was a prostitute (which she didn't tell me initially). She wanted to be a model -- isn't that always how it starts? -- but got caught up with a pimp in Vegas.

I felt really bad for her, she was only 19 and not particularly bright. So I told her she could come out to Miami, get a fresh start, stay with me for a few weeks and see if she could find work.

So her behavior started to change because she wasn't as easy to deal with. So he beat her and then convinced her that I was a cop trying to set her up. (Which is crazy because she saw my press pass with my name and my European passport.)

Then he took her phone, deleted all contacts. Never heard from her again.

In a way, I can't blame him. I was breaking "pimp code," trying to help someone he felt deserved none.

That still doesn't make it right. And that's the same type of mentality I see with these promoters a lot of time.

Of course, those who have profited off this off shoot of slavery are scattering about, trying to maintain the status quo while somehow trying to convince people that a myriad of promoters benefit the sports when anyone with half a brain in a true, honest moment can see that it doesn't.

It's the current state of affairs that prevent mass regulation, ranking and matchmaking to take place in the first place!

Gotta look at the big picture here.

If you're a fan of boxing, not only should you applaud Haymon, you should root for him.

But to summarize, you're right. He's going to put his 120+ business partners to work.

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Radam G:

When this so-called "Cold War" started, I told four-eyed Ernest Joe and ev'ybodee and dey momma what da haps were go to be: "SHO is full of syet, and is gonna get its arse handle and handed to it."

Has anyone ever broke down "Nostradamus?" DO IT, and you will SEE "radam" all up in the midsection of it. Hehe! Nost/RADAM/us. My predictions on type of jive and syet have creep up to 92 percent with the year closing out. Holla!

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amayseng:

I love it. Canelo has fire and wants to excite and put on good shows, not just snake a paycheck.

I have been saying Canelo needs an exciting fight head to head same night as Floyd's next one for 15$ less.

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Radam G:

Is anyone in da know or in the loop of the poop surprised?

The NSAC was just grandstanding and bulljiving. They knew that they were not going to do Jack or Jill or climb up a molehill.

Messing with Money May, they just wanted to get their fill. They ought to grow up da double fudge up and find some other type of thrill. Holla!

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the Roast:

Surprised to hear Kirkland take a pass on fighting Canelo. Good opportunity and good paycheck you would think.

That is a double bill I will enjoy sitting down to watch in December.

Clottey could make it a good fight if he lets the hands go. He did give Cotto a hard time years back. I still think Alvarez will win big setting up a PPV worthy Cotto fight.

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The Shadow:

"Because people don't like to get lied to and when people smell BS they want to know the truth. When this thread started, Shadow you were more then enthusiastic about talking about Showtime subscriptions and the financials, now when certain facts come out you say we should worry less about counting strangers money. You can't have it both ways my friend.

The main thing is Showtime is losing money because they are putting on crap tune-up fights because of tsAH."




Exactly, and the one telling the lies is Bob Arum. Showtime never released anything, Chris Mannix and Kevin Iole did, two guys who are well-connected and well-respected.



I hear ya re: financials but what I did was discuss the information presented by those reports.



And I do of course speak about the business aspect often, yes, because there are a lot of misconceptions out there.



But what I meant was that I think that the discussion sometimes goes off track. Why do we start counting another man's money?



Outside of that, why do people even care if SHO is losing money or not? Why does it matter to people?



I don't particularly care whether it's bad deal or not, I just like the fact that Floyd is active.



Another thing: SHO and Mayweather aren't forcing anyone to watch so I don't understand why anyone would complain about it. If the price tag is too high for some people, just vote with your wallet.



And again, you bring up a valid point regarding lies.



Arum himself has said (according to reports) that the media is like a dumb rock that you just kick around in any direction you want because they will believe anything you say.



I think we should focus more on that and call him out on it. Maybe then will we get The Fight because both fighters want it and want it badly.



He's not having negotiations with anyone and it's a shame that he has to tease the public. Rather than focusing on some random, unaffiliated, agenda-driven dude's speculation over the reports of respected, award-winning journalists.

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deepwater2:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.



It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.



Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.



If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.



One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.



What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.



That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.



Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.



You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.



Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.



Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.



I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."




Because people don't like to get lied to and when people smell BS they want to know the truth. When this thread started, Shadow you were more then enthusiastic about talking about Showtime subscriptions and the financials, now when certain facts come out you say we should worry less about counting strangers money. You can't have it both ways my friend.

The main thing is Showtime is losing money because they are putting on crap tune-up fights because of tsAH.

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deepwater2:

"Wow some of you pundits said it would happen. Canelo will be competing Head to Head with Floyd with Oscar's blessing and HBO's helping hand to make sure it happens.....Competition is good in any capitolist venture.

The fans should be glad as this move will force "somebody" to come strong or stay at home.

Lol....Oscar says he was "ordered" to make the move."




Yup. It was just a matter of time. HBO is looking good.

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brownsugar:

Wow some of you pundits said it would happen. Canelo will be competing Head to Head with Floyd with Oscar's blessing and HBO's helping hand to make sure it happens.....Competition is good in any capitolist venture.
The fans should be glad as this move will force "somebody" to come strong or stay at home.
Lol....Oscar says he was "ordered" to make the move.

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brownsugar:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.



It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.



Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.



If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.



One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.



What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.



That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.



Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.



You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.



Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.



Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.



I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."




Hey Shadow....

I hear tsAH is putting his stable of 120+ fighters to work by having them matched on CBS who is producing a new boxing series in 2015.



I guess its the next logical move... Do you know if there is any truth to it?

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The Commish:

"Roast, Oscar is working in making the fight early december in San Antoinio( or it's a done deal), from, what I hear, surprisingly Kirkland turn down the fight vs Canelo, Now they are going with Clottey. in the Undercard they are working on Humberto Soto vs Mauricio Herrera, hopefully oscar can add another fight to the show. I'm sure HBO is motivated to get back Golden Boy, put on some good shows, and put some buisness harm on rival showtime."

This is a super great opportunity for powerhouse HBO to put a major hurting on Showtime, which has nopt had a spectacular 2014 (low-lighted by the Danny Garcia-Rod Salka main event!).

I think Joshua Clottey will give Canelo Alvarez plenty of competition, especially if he lets his hands go and doesn't go into his"turtle" defense. To me, I think Alvarez is a bit overrated. Obviously, though, a Cotto-Alvarez fight is what HBO, Top Rank & Golden Boy is pulling for in early 2015.

Somehow,Cotto-Clottey just doesn't make it (Cotto beat Clottey on a split decision around six years ago), unless, of course, Clottey overwhelms and beats the mess out of Alvarez. The undercard, with Soto v Herrera, makes the card a very interesting one.

You know, the more I'm thinking about Clottey, the more I like his chances. I believe he's training around here. I've gotta' take a look at him in the gym and see for myself.

Also, as theRoast points out, it's not a PPV event. Imagine that!

-Randy G.

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Skibbz:

"Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.

It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.

Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.

If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.

One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.

What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.

That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.

Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.

You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.

Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.

Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.

I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip."


That's the art of matchmaking my friend. It will always be that way. Why would you give your pie to another man? Silly...

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riverside:

"I read that Oscar is about to announce Canelo-Clottey to fight on HBO. Clottey is a tough guy but Canelo should win impressively. Does the fight being on HBO signal Cotto vs Canelo early next year? Sure looks that way to me."

Roast, Oscar is working in making the fight early december in San Antoinio( or it's a done deal), from, what I hear, surprisingly Kirkland turn down the fight vs Canelo, Now they are going with Clottey. in the Undercard they are working on Humberto Soto vs Mauricio Herrera, hopefully oscar can add another fight to the show. I'm sure HBO is motivated to get back Golden Boy, put on some good shows, and put some buisness harm on rival showtime.

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Kid Blast:

Pac by easy UD. Might even wax him. The kid's strengths (movement and stamina) are also Pac's strengths.

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thegreyman:

For those of you saying C-Al's jab will be a game changer- what makes you so convinced?

His jab in the Provodnikov fight was terrible- pumped out halfway with no snap or pop; more of a light push than a jab. He doesn't know how to step in on it either.

If he had a good jab then Provodnikov should have been seriously marked up by it. The Siberian Rocky holds his hands low, walks you down in a straight line, uses no angles from the outside and is generally extremely susceptible to a good jab. You might say that Provodnikov, not being the sharpest of scientific boxers, and with such short arms, would be a perfect target for a good Algieri jab.

Then you remember that it doesn't exist.

We've yet to see any evidence of decent footwork from Algieri- he's very bouncy, but is he evasive when under effective pressure from an 8 division world champ boxer puncher?

I'm not convinced... Somebody tell me what I'm missing so I can have some hope for this guy.

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the Roast:

I agree that is the best part, Alvarez-Clottey will not be PPV. It's not worthy of being on PPV put that usually doesn't stop the greedy promoters. It is bad for boxing for the stars to put every one of their fights on PPV like Floyd and Manny do.

Everyone on here that complained about the boring Floyd PPV should take a stand and not buy them anymore. Did you really miss anything? Nope.

Too many PPV's and too expensive.

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thegreyman:

"I smell something after reading that post and it doesn't smell good.



It's one thing to say CA might jab and move,score some points,win some rounds and has a legit chance but to say he is going to be dancing over a knocked out Pac, that prediction has pharmaceuticals involved!"




hahahahahaahahahah bravo

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The Shadow:

"Floyd’s chin is good enough. But it is just good enough - which isn’t bad. Judah, Mosley, and MAIDANA at the very end of round 3 in the rematch did real damage with single punches. It is Floyd’s composure, not his chin, that makes him durable. Watch at the bell in Maidana 2. One right hand made Floyd do a small chicken dance and a stumble back to his stool. Then look at Hagler, who was barely dented by the BOMBERS of middleweight history - flush KO punches by Mugabi, Roldan, HEARNS, just annoyed him. Just as a point of comparison."

Ortiz did more one-punch damage than Judah. So did Corley. And Carlos Hernandez.

He has an very, very good if not great chin and excellent recuperative abilities.

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The Shadow:

"The number sounds realistic and its more than i initially predicted but who is Glaser? and how would he have this info. Boxing promoters are known to play games and bend the truth. Not that its a major concern... Its Showtimes problem if they fell short."

Exactly, why do people care other than wanting to see the man fail/fall? I mean, good for him that he's making money.

It's not like the entity that pays him is on the brink of bankruptcy. They got money to blow. Besides, they're making out like bandits, I keep repeating it, they keep repeating it, analysts keep repeating it but no one wants to listen.

Glaser is a troll, by the way. His ethics are questionable. But he is always good for balance if you need an opposing view in a news feature. But you can take what he says with a grain of salt.

If there were two reports out there -- one saying 450,000 buys and 1.2 million buys -- I think people would be inclined to believe the one with the lower number, though common sense should clearly alert you that the 450K would be utter and complete bogus.

One thing about pay-per-view, it's almost an esoteric industry. There are only a handful of people in boxing -- outside the distributors and broadcasters -- who truly know how it works. Less than a handful. And that's a fact. So people can say what they want.

What I would be concerned about is Bob Arum spreading those lies of having talked to CBS and HBO bosses to get fans' hopes up for the purpose of getting more attention and buys for his event in China.

That's the real crime. Because the fans will be left disappointed again. And that's a shame.

Everyone in the media knows it's bogus. Everyone around boxing knows how he is. Even his own FRIENDS laugh when he release these truth-omissive statements.

You guys really think he wants to help Mayweather?! Mayweather profits the most from Mayweather-Pacquiao, not Arum. The man is one of the most vindictive men in the business and that's a fact.

Forget his words, just look at his actions. Just look at the cards he's building and you can clearly see who he's building as future opponents.

Pacquiao is nearing the end. He'd rather have Pacquiao lose to Crawford or Jessie Vargas and propel their careers so he has assets moving forward.

I think we should worry less about counting strangers' money and more about protesting against false advertisements that tease us worse than Desiree at the TNA bar down the Strip.

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The Commish:

"Ali is the GOAT, and he was the biggest athlete in the world then and would be 100X bigger than Money May now, people actually LIKED Ali, he was funny, witty, charismatic & he brought excitement to the ring...."

Through all his antics, Ali never once acted the way Adrien Broner acts, never dropped "F-Bombs" on TV and never told opponents he made it with their ex-girlfriend.

Yeah, you don't have to tell me about Ali's extra-curricular activities and his four wives. I know all about that. I'm talking aboput the man the public saw, the man I know personally and have been with as he visited schools, hospitals, orphanages and rehab centers.

Ali was a person with flaws, but who doesn't have flaws. With Ali, the good, the caring, the passion and the love far outweigh the flaws.

A young Ali today would be, far and away, the most popular person on Earth.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Wow! Here we go against. I'm such a hardnosed party pooper. But really I'm a stealth trooper.

Commish L Hazz acts like a roughneck fascist. Haven't his iron fist rust? With age, he should have mellowed.

I never dug his style of jumping over the top rope and stopping bouts, instead of letting the referees do their jobs.

Wow! And refs from the beginning of pug time have always personalized themselves with smiles, bowing, pointing at the cameras and jestering and other histronics. Holla at some old boksing game flicks.

We don't need commissions who are going to be d**** and install New Jack robotic fascist behaviors. Refs are humans. Let me them act that way a bit. Handle them for not refereeing correctly, not making themselves noticeable before and after the fights. Ev'ybodee and dey momma wanna be a star. Don't tow or crash their car. Holla!"


Larry Hazzard didn't make a habit of jumping over the ropes and stopping fights. He did it only a few times, and did so when the referee in that particular fight was blatantly late on pulling the trigger on a fight which should have already been stopped. But, for whatever reason, the ref in question allowed the fight to go on...and on.

I had to do the same thing on only one occasion. It was in my first few months as commissioner. The referee was already a licensed ref in New York when I became commissioner. He had come to N.Y. from Detroit, where he was a also a licensed pro referee. However, he was not a good one. How he ever was licensed in the first place is beyond me. Had he applied as a ref AFTER I became commissioner, I would have turned him down. However, he applied several months BEFORE I got there, and Commissioner Jose Torres, seeing that he held a valid Referee's License issued by the State of Michigan, gave him one, as well.

In a non-televised fight in a small upstate town, one of the fighters in the night's opening bout was taking way too much punishment, starting right from the opening bell. Somehow, he made it through the first round, despite being down twice and staggered on several occasions. At the bell, he stumbled back to his corner. In between rounds, the referee looked at me. I pointed to my eyes with my index fingers, then pointed to the ref, then to the corner of the fighter taking a whupping. I was telling him, "Watch him."

In the second round, the still-dazed fighter walked into a right to the chin only moments after the bell for round two and went down. He arose on rubbery legs at the count of eight. The ref wiped his gloves but didn't make him take a step. Then he motioned the two to "box."

The kid was wobbling and swaying like a street sign in a strong wind.

I started yelling to the ref to stop the fight. The ref saw me waving at him. He pointed at me, then motioned me back to my seat. Then he watched as the fighters resumed action. Only one of them punched. The other one blocked. He blocked a right with his midsection, he blocked a hook with his ribs and he blocked a right with his face. He went down again.

Amazingly, he arose again. The referee again wiped his gloves and again neglected to make the fighter walk to him. Then, he waved the fighters together again. A jab to the nose, followed by another jab, a right and hook to the head followed. The fighter slumped against the ropes. The ref stood there as the other fighter unloaded shot after shot on his floundering, semi-conscious opponent. At that moment, you've never seen me move so fast. I sprang out of my seat and bolted through the ropes, shouting, "STOP! STOP!"

Thankfully, the winning fighter saw me and stopped punching, rather than continue his onslaught on his defenseless opponent. When the surprised referee saw me he said, "What are you doing, Commissioner? You can't do this! I was about to stop it!"

"I will see you in the back," I said angrily to him. "NOW!"

When he met with me in the back, I was joined by my Executive Director and Chief Inspector. I told the referee I am revoking his license to referee. I told him I would try him out as a judge. Incredibly, he said to me, "You can't take my license. I'll sue. My Executive Director and Chief Inspector had to pull me away from him.

P.S.--He never reffed another fight again but did become a judge. He wasn't half bad at that!

I know Hazzard doesn't mind a ref with personality. What neither of us can stand is the refs who play to the camera. trying to make the fight about themselves. Nor does he want to see any ref hugging the winning fighter. You don't see NBA refs high-fiving a player after a great shot or MLB umpires hugging a player after a grand slam. Commissions have allowed referees to take charge. Too much charge.

Commissioner Hazzard will change all that.

-Randy G.

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SouthPawFlo:

Ali is the GOAT, and he was the biggest athlete in the world then and would be 100X bigger than Money May now, people actually LIKED Ali, he was funny, witty, charismatic & he brought excitement to the ring....

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mortcola:

Floyd's chin is good enough. But it is just good enough - which isn't bad. Judah, Mosley, and MAIDANA at the very end of round 3 in the rematch did real damage with single punches. It is Floyd's composure, not his chin, that makes him durable. Watch at the bell in Maidana 2. One right hand made Floyd do a small chicken dance and a stumble back to his stool. Then look at Hagler, who was barely dented by the BOMBERS of middleweight history - flush KO punches by Mugabi, Roldan, HEARNS, just annoyed him. Just as a point of comparison.

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oubobcat:

770,000 does sound much more in line with what I was expecting.

I am just going be my own experience. Full theater in May that was sold out before the first fight ended and handful of people at theater in September. To me, it does not seem logical that the PPV numbers would be as high as was originally stated.

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brownsugar:

"The real PPV number is 770,000.



That's a long way from 925,000.



Floyd robbed Showtime with his 32 million guarantee .



You know Showtime wants the PAC fight and will work with HBO to make $$$. Who else will make the big for Showtime ?"




The number sounds realistic and its more than i initially predicted but who is Glaser? and how would he have this info. Boxing promoters are known to play games and bend the truth. Not that its a major concern... Its Showtimes problem if they fell short.

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deepwater2:

"Deep, you have laced them up and still do I believe. What are you weighing in relation to the limit with less than a month to go, 3-5 percent above, right at the weight, 7% above?"

Sure do. I box in the masters division. I like to enter the Gleason's masters championship every year and have a few fights through out the year. I might even do the Ringside next year .

In my 20's I boxed at 139-147-152.

When not in training or dieting I'm around 185lb. I need at least 4-6 weeks before a match to get into top form. I get down to 168-170. Getting a match at a show is tough for the master division. So I like to come in right below 170 because you just have to be within 10 lbs of each other. So I can fight a guy at 160,168,178. I can be bigger then the 160 guy and faster then the 178 guy. It all works out.

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deepwater2:

I would like to think if Ali was in his prime today and on Facebook etc that twirps like the bieber guy and the gross kardashian krew wouldn't even be popular.

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deepwater2:

"Hehehehe!! It's was about Lil' Floyd growing his "empire." Haha! Holla!"



The real PPV number is 770,000.



That's a long way from 925,000.



Floyd robbed Showtime with his 32 million guarantee .



You know Showtime wants the PAC fight and will work with HBO to make $$$. Who else will make the big for Showtime ?

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oubobcat:

It very well could signal Canelo-Cotto. At the very least, it appears that Canelo will be moving back to HBO. He is not signed to Haymon, only Golden Boy who appears to be slowly moving in the direction of doing more business with HBO.

Cotto is a promotional free agent and no doubt Mayweather and his team will make a pitch for him as the opponent in May. Likewise Canelo and his team will make their pitch. Cotto will weigh his options and make the decision from there. I'd say right now its 50/50.

In regards to Canelo-Clottely, well at least its not PPV. I hope they put on a decent undercard fight or two. I have a bad feeling we will see the cover up and play defense Clottey that tends to come out when he feels he's overmatched.

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New York Tony:

"Ali always had something substantive to say." No, he didn't.

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Mayweather Steps In Front Of Nevada Commssion, No Punishment Is Meted

Floyd Mayweather was trotted out in front of members of the Nevada State Atheltic Commission on Tuesday, after that entity became aware of conduct on the part of Mayweather which warranted examination, and perhaps, presumably, censure. Explanation was offered, according to this live blog account from The Las Vegas Sun, in the form of a Mayweather attorney stating that sometimes portions of the proceedings which are filmed for the Showtime "All Access" docu-mercial show are put together "all for the reality show." The meeting got off to a...

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Canelo Signs Deal With HBO

BOXING SUPERSTAR CANELO ÁLVAREZ AND HBO SPORTS TO ANNOUNCE HISTORIC AGREEMENT WITH OSCAR DE LA HOYA AT GOLDEN BOY HEADQUARTERS Rising star fighter inks exclusive long-term deal with powerhouse HBO Sports Golden Boy Promotions Founder Oscar de la Hoya, superstar boxer Canelo Álvarez and HBO Sports President Ken Hershman will announce a newly signed agreement to bring the boxer's fights to the HBO Sports network during a press conference at Golden Boy Promotions headquarters today. On a conference call will be: Oscar de la Hoya,...

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ATTENTION NEBRASKA! Tuesday's Terence Crawford-Ray Beltran Presser OPEN TO PUBLIC

TERENCE CRAWFORD and RAY BELTRAN NEWS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING WBO LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE BATTLE Next Tuesday!September 30 at 12:30 P.M. CT CenturyLink Center Omaha OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! OMAHA, NEB. (September 23, 2014) -- Undefeated World Boxing Organization (WBO) lightweight world champion TERENCE "Bud" CRAWFORD, Omaha's favorite son, and No. 1 contender and mandatory challenger RAY BELTRAN, of Mexico, will host a news conference announcing their World Lightweight Championship fight Next Tuesday!September 30, at the CenturyLink Center in...

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SARTONK Launching Apparel Line

Los Angeles, CA -- “Honor Your Champion,” SARTONK’s lifestyle apparel line was launched Saturday, September 13, at the inaugural Boxing Fan Expo in Las Vegas. The Expo was geared toward giving boxing fans direct access to stars and industry leaders. SARTONK was founded by Edward S. Majian, to preserve the legacy of his grandfather, Ardash Sahaghian. From the late 1970s to the 1990s, Sahaghian designed most of today’s iconic championship belts. “Starting SARTONK was about honoring my grandfather, a champion of hard work and...

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How Big Would Ali Be Today? He'd DWARF Mayweather

Well, the numbers are in and the Mayweather-Maidana rematch on September 13th did 925,000 pay per view buys. No, that's not great but it's better than any other active fighter could bring if they were fighting a quasi-known entity like Marcos Maidana. Again proof that like him or loathe him, regardless of how many stupid things he does and says out of the ring, Mayweather is by far the biggest star and draw in combat sports. And Mayweather was able to produce those numbers fighting an opponent who he clearly defeated four months ago, one...

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Golovkin and Rubio Have 30-Day Weigh-In

30-DAY WBC WEIGH-IN RESULTS GOLOVKIN 165, RUBIO 174.5 Los Angeles, CA (September 22, 2014) Thirty days out from their highly anticipated “Mexican Style” showdown, WBA/IBO Middleweight World Champion GENNADY “GGG” GOLOVKIN and WBC Interim Middleweight Champion MARCO ANTONIO “El Veneno” RUBIO were both within the prescribed limits set forth by the World Boxing Council rules. For the WBC Official 30-Day Weigh-In, Golovkin tipped the scale at 165lbs., while Rubio weighed in at 174.5lbs. “Both fighters look to be in excellent...

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Duva, Counting Down To Kovalev-Hopkins, Sizes Up Mchunu and Dargan Wins

Main Events ran a card at Foxwoods on Saturday afternoon, and some of the scraps ran on NBC. Thabiso Mchunu and Karl Dargan, campaigners for Main Events, won their scraps. I asked Main Events boss Kathy Duva what she thought about the card, about Dargan, who won by KO, and Mchunu’s effort. She complied… "I think that Dargan is brilliant," the promoter said of the 29 year old lightweight who went to 17-0, after I noted that I think he could ideally look to be more dynamic for more of each round. "He is still learning and developing and...

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"Chuky" Flores Fights Friday

RON MIKE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS: BIG TEXAS THROWDOWN!!! “CHUKY” FLORES READY FOR US DEBUT FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 26 MESQUITE ARENA Deerfield Beach, FL (September 22, 2014) Undefeated and heralded Mexican featherweight prospect MOISES “Chuky” FLORES will make his highly anticipated United States debut at “Big Texas Throwdown” this Friday, September 26th at the Mesquite Arena in Mesquite, Texas, just outside of Dallas. Flores, 20-0-0 (15KO’s), will fight in a six round special feature attraction against PABLO BATRES of Nogales, MX...

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Corley Only Former Champion to Fight in D.C. “Weekend of Champions”

Demarcus “Chop Chop” Corley [42-22, 24 KOs] was the only former champion to actually fulfill the bizarre Washington, D.C./Maryland/Virginia (DMV) “Weekend of Champions” fight card on Saturday in Washington, D.C. Corley easily cruised to a unanimous decision over Daniel Attah [28-19-1, 11 KOs]. In the main event, Maryland light heavyweight Alexander Johnson [16-2, 7 KOs] knocked out Henry Buchanan [21-4, 14 KOs] in the first round. Johnson, a southpaw, nailed Buchanan with a left cross that sent him crashing into the corner in a...

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