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Radam G:

In the batting cage. "Great style match up," in the words of C-Al will be a GREAT arse thrashing for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T1jVc2hgvQ.

Watch what you wish for. You may just get it. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Thanks for confirming that this is another challenging matchup .... You gentlemen know your stuff."

Yeh, brownsugar. I've seen Walters several times. As good as Donaire is, he is going to have his hands full with the still-very-underrated Walters.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"I mean, why? Why?!



Lol if OJ -- who was found not guilty, by the way -- comes out and starts posing in photos with George Zimmerman, you're kinda asking for people to say something.



Or Juan Manuel Marquez -- who's never tested positive, for the record -- doing a pose down pic with Big Poppa Pump.



It's just like... Why? WHY?!



But it sure is funny."




Hehehehe! I would say those arses got away with murder from a foul, crooked justice system that care less about minorities and women.



Both O.J. and Georgie Z would be butt hurts and bloomers hand washers for Big Skillet and Lil' LeRoy if they would have gun down a white male spouse or white teenagers. The survey has already been taken, so don't come after me. The killers of white males pay. The killers of women and minorities court play. And getting outta of the syet, a court jury always give them a way. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Commish,



You shall not venture on this journey alone. I think Algieri actually dances away with a SD."




Hehehehe! Hey, TGD, you better watch that nurse. She sneaked some bad drugs in the cleaning water of your hands.



C-Al has no rhythm or rhyme. His dance is a bad version of the robot. He would be arrested on the dance floor, smacked upside da noggin and banned for life.



I wish I had some herbs and remedies to help him, but I don't. Three m is going to mug C-Al in Macau. If you think that Hulkquez put Da Manny to sleep badly. And Da Manny put "Slicky" Ricky Hatton to sleep madly. You ain't seen nuffin' yet.



Because of many Yanks' hate and stereotypes of Asians being Kung Fu junkies, against Da Manny, they still bet. Three m is going to put C-Al down like a very ill, suffering pet.



I've told you guys that C-Al has no boksing savvy or flow. He's like three types of winds that blow --- light, medium and heavy. The dude is topsy-turvy.



He's doesn't initiate or is proactive. He's reactive to every darn thing in dat squared jungle. In other words, like the old timers say: "he over thinks, he stinks, but he believes that he is smart. And he playing some type of ordained part. He should have not gotten an opportunity from the start. This is what happens when you give a gift to someone who has no skills, but a lot of heart."



Dude is being so tar babied that it is a shame. Boksing is not his game. WTF! Every Pac-hater and C-Al hoper -- probably dope smoker -- are talking about C-Al has a PhD in upset!



GTGOH! You will witness a massacre from Macau on your TV set. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Ditto ...PAC had Bradley..Rios, Margarito, Mosely and Clottey hurt at least once in his past five fights... There is no question he can still punch. The only question is ...
Does he have the motivation?

PAC isn't going to let anybody else get a gift decision. If he sees his chance I think he'll go for the merciful stoppage. Instead of a punishing twelve round drubbing.

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The Shadow:

"Yeah Shadow, I think Manny packs a harder punch than Ruslan !Tim Bradley, he of the iron chin, goes toe to toe with Ruslan, for some reason he does not do that with Manny ! He fought Manny twice, he never went toe to toe with hm, Manny hits harder and not one at a time, he hits from all angles and does not stand still compared to Ruslan I don't really see much of a comparison between the two ! Algeire will get a nice payday and nothing else !"

I believe the man, he's an honest guy.

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Froggy:

Yeah Shadow, I think Manny packs a harder punch than Ruslan !Tim Bradley, he of the iron chin, goes toe to toe with Ruslan, for some reason he does not do that with Manny ! He fought Manny twice, he never went toe to toe with hm, Manny hits harder and not one at a time, he hits from all angles and does not stand still compared to Ruslan I don't really see much of a comparison between the two ! Algeire will get a nice payday and nothing else !

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brownsugar:

"I mean, why? Why?!

Lol if OJ -- who was found not guilty, by the way -- comes out and starts posing in photos with George Zimmerman, you're kinda asking for people to say something.

Or Juan Manuel Marquez -- who's never tested positive, for the record -- doing a pose down pic with Big Poppa Pump.

It's just like... Why? WHY?!

But it sure is funny."



My long deceased grandpappy had a saying whenever he saw something that stood out in a conspicuous manner. ......."Now if that don't beat all?"
Sure its corny but its appropriate.

And could someone please tell me .... Who let all the air out of Bonds torso?.
Where did all those cepts and pecs go?

With Manny standing next to the poster boy of PED's
Don't take it too personal when the jokes start flying.

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teaser:

"Commish,



You shall not venture on this journey alone. I think Algieri actually dances away with a SD."




the difference is in the mobility of Manny compared to Ruslan dance though he may Chris is in for a beating too many angles ,feints and when he gets caught Manny will finish him .just hope Manny doesn't get to friendly with the guy and so not want to hurt him and let him off the hook :confused:or figure he can box with this tall kid he's got to be aggressive

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The Good Doctor:

Commish,

You shall not venture on this journey alone. I think Algieri actually dances away with a SD.

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The Shadow:

"We're in the minority, here, CC.



As I am calling for an Algieri win, I'm in a pool by myself on this great site.



-Randy G."




I see a toss-up. I would slightly favor Pacquiao based on experience and surprisingly impressive in-ring IQ for a guy who used to have very little.



Froggy, do you think the current Pacquiao packs a better punch than Provodnikov?!



Tim Bradley himself, who's one of the few to take punches from both, says no.



Provodnikov is heavy-handed. That means he can hurt you with one shot.



In order to hurt Chris, who has quite the dog in him, Pacquiao has to connect with consecutive clean shots on the defensively adept Algieri.



I doubt that happens.



I see a surprisingly close fight with closely contested rounds (kinda like The Moment) in which Manny gets the nod by a relatively comfortable margin.



The decision will leave people talking like they got something to smack (talk).



But as usual, nothing will come out as they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish, mother******* will act like they Forgot About Pac.

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The Shadow:

I mean, why? Why?!



Lol if OJ -- who was found not guilty, by the way -- comes out and starts posing in photos with George Zimmerman, you're kinda asking for people to say something.



Or Juan Manuel Marquez -- who's never tested positive, for the record -- doing a pose down pic with Big Poppa Pump.



It's just like... Why? WHY?!



But it sure is funny.

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Radam G:

Dang, Coxs Corner! You came blitzing with it. The truth should not be that mean. I'm still ducking for cover. You straight up hurt the feeling of believers of fairy tales. Tearing out the guts of history is a muthasucka. But that is how it goes. And optical illusions are everywhere.



Last month ArneK snitched out truths about the late, great "Brownbomber" Joe Louis. And now you just killed the legend of Rocky M. Blood and guts are over the metaphoric squared jungle. I got to vomit -- urrrkrrrrrrrmffj!



Can we get a warning next time. What long-past legend of yesteryears will be put under of the blood-and-gut bucket challenge next?



I don't wanna know. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"As a bonus and to get everyone in the proper fighting spirit they can have Nelly sing the national anthem."



In Air Force 1's, of course. UH, OH!

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brownsugar:

As a bonus and to get everyone in the proper fighting spirit they can have Nelly sing the national anthem.

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brownsugar:

"I think it was just done in response to Garcia stating TI, Tiny, Miss Jackson, 50 etc are going to walk Chino out to the ring."

Please tell me your joking .... Garcia didn't really go there did he? ... Floyd has met his trash talking equal if that's the case.

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brownsugar:

"Since I'm quoted in the article I would like to add some further commentary. The author here borrowed a bit from my article that he quoted where I have Fleischers comments used in this article as well as the comparison of Marciano's reach compared to Mayweather. The article the author refers to also says about Rocky;


"Rocky Marciano is the only unbeaten and untied boxing champion in history. 49-0 is his legacy. Of his 49 wins 43 came by way of knockout. His knockout percentage of 87.75 is the highest among all heavyweight champions. He is 7-0 in title fights. On his accomplishments alone he deserves consideration for a spot among the ten best heavyweights ever."

and

"Rocky brought punching power, a high work rate, endurance, durability, excellent conditioning and the will to win into every fight. He also carried his power into the late rounds, which is a short list of punchers of which only Joe Louis and Joe Frazier definitely belong with Marciano. Rocky came inside low in his crouch to get underneath his opponents and was not as easy a target to hit as some fans think. He was unceasing in his firing of his hammer blows at his opponent’s, although he lacked punching accuracy. Rocky was an “anywhere hitter” but anywhere he hit, he hurt. Rocky was known to bust the blood vessels in his opponent’s arms as they covered up trying to protect themselves from the onslaught. He nearly clubbed Carmine Vingo to death; he survived but was never able to fight again."

About Joe Louis. Yes Louis was 37 not 87 but it was an old balding 37. Age 37 some 60 years ago is not the same as 37 today where fighters have better access to nutrition and other enhancements. Ali was an old 36 when he lost to Leon Spinks. I wrote, "Joe Louis was the biggest name on Marciano’s resume, but he was 37 years old and had lost much. By the time of their fight the once legendary Louis had “long since lost his once devastating punch” as Nat Fleischer wrote. This is true because Louis depended greatly on speed, timing and sense of distance for his hitting power. His lost reflexes robbed him of his explosiveness and therefore his punching power. Louis still was a solid fighter when Marciano beat him because he was fundamentally sound, but he lacked the speed and power that he once possessed."

The fact is Louis missed 4 years of his best fighting years due to inactivity during the Second world War. He was never the same fighter after that. When Louis retired he 60-1, 51 ko's. When he came back he only scored 3 knockouts in his last 10 fights which is proof of what Fleischer, who sat ringside for their fight, said is the truth. Sugar Ray Robinson was only out 2 years when he retired after the Maxim fight (and was younger than Louis) and he struggled when he came back so much that the top writers were saying he should stay retired. Robinson lost to a lesser fighter in Ralph Tiger Jones and was a heavy underdog to Bobo Olson when he received a title shot. In any event, Louis post WW 2 was simply not the explosive hitter he was previously and had lost a lot.

On the other points. I stated, " How would Marciano have fared against Frazier’s opponents? Marciano would be an underdog to Ali and would likely lose a decision. Ali was more susceptible to a left hook, Frazier’s bread and butter punch, than he was to a right hand, which was Rocky’s best shot. Cus D’Amato once said that, “No swarming heavyweight who ever lived could beat George Foreman coming to him.” Marciano would have had the same trouble trying to get inside George’s long arms and massive uppercuts, as did the bobbing and weaving Frazier. It seems highly unlikely that Marciano could overcome the freakish power of the much larger Foreman in a slugfest. Frazier holds a win over Muhammad Ali and defeated other quality heavyweights such as Jerry Quarry who were superior to most of Marciano's competition. Had the two all time greats switched era's Frazier would have been 49-0 and Marciano would likely have had losses to Ali and Foreman on his record."

Not just my opinion. I think Cus D'Amato knew boxing pretty well. There are other boxing people who share this opinion. I would add that Frazier actually had the better style when facing a smooth boxer type because he applied consistent pressure, slipping and cutting the ring. Marciano was a little more measured in his approach and fought more in spurts. However, I do favor Marciano over Frazier head to head, although its not a given.

"Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion."

The reason there is no consensus on Marciano is the same reason there will not be one on Floyd Mayweather when he is 50-0 because he lacked the competition to be truly tested. "John Durant author of The Heavyweight Champions wrote in 1971 (pg 123,) “Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, and Louis. He never faced topnotch fighters like they did. It was not Rocky’s fault, of course, that there was not much talent when he was fighting. He fought them all and that is what a champion is supposed to do.” In Mayweather's case he avoided certain fighters and Marciano never did. If Roy Jones had retired after beating John Ruiz what would his legacy be? It is unfortunate that Marciano's quality of opponents did not let him shine against stellar competition.

"Since Marciano’s claim to greatness is based largely on his unbeaten record one must put his quality of opponents under the microscope. It is true that most of Rocky’s best opponents were past their prime when he faced them. Jersey Joe Walcott was 38-39 years old, Ezzard Charles was 32-33 and was at his peak at light-heavyweight and 175 pound champion Archie Moore was 42. One of the best men Marciano defeated prior to winning the title was Rex Layne. Layne lost often when he stepped up in competition. Another of the top contenders Marciano faced was Lee Savold whose career record was 89-37-3, hardly inspiring. Rocky came up in one of the weakest periods in heavyweight history, in fact the only era that is weaker than the early mid 50's amongst heavyweights is the current crop."

Rocky’s unbeaten record is certainly not without tarnish. Many believe that Marciano actually did lose to Roland LaStarza in their first fight but got a gift decision. Jesse Abramson, boxing writer for the New York Daily Herald called it a “paper thin and exceedingly odd decision.” And it was “universally condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice”, according to newspaper reports. Even a member of the New England Press Corp, who would be inclined to favor Marciano in the New York bout against LaStarza, said it was a “dubious decision.” More than 50 years later LaStarza was incredulous of the decision, “I won that fight,” he maintained. In the New York Herald Tribune, Mar 25, 1950, LaStarza said, “The fact is his manager Al Weill was matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision.”

After the LaStarza fight Marciano's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could fight. His next opponent was Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Tiger Ted Lowry who had a career record of 60-54-9, went the distance with Marciano. Others such as Harold (Kid) Mitchell, Art Henri, and Willis Red Applegate all had losing records. It is little wonder that Rex Layne was a 9-5 favorite over Marciano when Rocky finally stepped up in competition. It should be noted that Layne was no world beater, like most of Marciano's top opponents Layne weighed well under 200 pounds and he finished with a career record of 50-17-3."

Those are the facts of Marciano's record. Is he a top 10 all time heavyweight, most likely yes. Is he in the top 5? If you rate him that highly that is based more on myth of what you think he would do against the field rather than what his actual competition indicates.

You can read my article in its entirety below:

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/rocky.html

.........."


Its good to read some balanced and perceptive reasoning coming out of this thread. A very thorough analysis considering the relative short length of the post.

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brownsugar:

Thanks for confirming that this is another challenging matchup .... You gentlemen know your stuff.

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The Commish:

It's ironic that this thread was just put up, as my next Commissioner's Corner is going to be about Rocky Marciano and where I believe he fits into the all-time heavyweight puzzle.

The column will be up early in the week.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"That Briggs interview was tremendous and highly entertaining. I was listening on the road in the car with my wife. She is not as big a fight fan as me but she was even into that interview. Great job on that...

I should soon be able to start calling in again. My schedule has been a bit hectic of late and though I listen when traveling have not been able to dial in as much as I would like. But we are just about settling into our new location now so soon will be able to dial into the show on a more consistent basis. You guys are doing a great job with it as always and I am listening during my travels."


Thank you so much...love it when you call in. Hoping you can get down to NYC so you can join us on the air in-studio.

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

"So today we had Shannon "The Cannon" Briggs on the show.

In short, dude was amazing. His charisma, enthusiasm and passion shined through forcefully. He had me compelled to the point where I actually for a second thought he had a legitimate shot!

He shed light on a number of issues, including the fact that he's not only self-managed and self-promoted, he's also self-trained!

"I don't want nobody stealing my money!" he exclaimed. "Let's go, champ!"

Whether he was shedding light on his workout regimen ("I lost a 100 pounds!"), the controversial fallout with his business partners in the wake of his brutal fight with Big Bro Klitschko ("Shelly Finkel is a dirty piece of ****") or simply stating his case for a showdown with Wladimir K., Shannon carried the entire show.

He also shared things off the record -- including confirming one super secret rumor yours truly had gotten wind off down in South Florida -- that only made me believe more is in store for The Buff Bomber.

(Stay tuned. That's all I can tell y'all.)

And speaking of Wlad, when we asked him about his Klitschko encounters and how he managed to track down "Lil Klit," as Randy G. calls him, he had this to say.

"I told everybody, if they see him they let me know," he said. "And I'd pay people to tell me where he is so I can stalk him wherever he goes."

Whatever people may think of his ability, the boxing world is a shark tank. You gotta stand out any way you can.

And a lot of people could take lessons from The Cannon how you get your name out there.

Word is Shannon will join us in-studio in a few weeks for a full two-hour session. You guys will NOT want to miss this one."


That Briggs interview was tremendous and highly entertaining. I was listening on the road in the car with my wife. She is not as big a fight fan as me but she was even into that interview. Great job on that...

I should soon be able to start calling in again. My schedule has been a bit hectic of late and though I listen when traveling have not been able to dial in as much as I would like. But we are just about settling into our new location now so soon will be able to dial into the show on a more consistent basis. You guys are doing a great job with it as always and I am listening during my travels.

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Coxs Corner:

Since I'm quoted in the article I would like to add some further commentary. The author here borrowed a bit from my article that he quoted where I have Fleischers comments used in this article as well as the comparison of Marciano's reach compared to Mayweather. The article the author refers to also says about Rocky;





"Rocky Marciano is the only unbeaten and untied boxing champion in history. 49-0 is his legacy. Of his 49 wins 43 came by way of knockout. His knockout percentage of 87.75 is the highest among all heavyweight champions. He is 7-0 in title fights. On his accomplishments alone he deserves consideration for a spot among the ten best heavyweights ever."



and



"Rocky brought punching power, a high work rate, endurance, durability, excellent conditioning and the will to win into every fight. He also carried his power into the late rounds, which is a short list of punchers of which only Joe Louis and Joe Frazier definitely belong with Marciano. Rocky came inside low in his crouch to get underneath his opponents and was not as easy a target to hit as some fans think. He was unceasing in his firing of his hammer blows at his opponent's, although he lacked punching accuracy. Rocky was an "anywhere hitter" but anywhere he hit, he hurt. Rocky was known to bust the blood vessels in his opponent's arms as they covered up trying to protect themselves from the onslaught. He nearly clubbed Carmine Vingo to death; he survived but was never able to fight again."



About Joe Louis. Yes Louis was 37 not 87 but it was an old balding 37. Age 37 some 60 years ago is not the same as 37 today where fighters have better access to nutrition and other enhancements. Ali was an old 36 when he lost to Leon Spinks. I wrote, "Joe Louis was the biggest name on Marciano's resume, but he was 37 years old and had lost much. By the time of their fight the once legendary Louis had "long since lost his once devastating punch" as Nat Fleischer wrote. This is true because Louis depended greatly on speed, timing and sense of distance for his hitting power. His lost reflexes robbed him of his explosiveness and therefore his punching power. Louis still was a solid fighter when Marciano beat him because he was fundamentally sound, but he lacked the speed and power that he once possessed."



The fact is Louis missed 4 years of his best fighting years due to inactivity during the Second world War. He was never the same fighter after that. When Louis retired he 60-1, 51 ko's. When he came back he only scored 3 knockouts in his last 10 fights which is proof of what Fleischer, who sat ringside for their fight, said is the truth. Sugar Ray Robinson was only out 2 years when he retired after the Maxim fight (and was younger than Louis) and he struggled when he came back so much that the top writers were saying he should stay retired. Robinson lost to a lesser fighter in Ralph Tiger Jones and was a heavy underdog to Bobo Olson when he received a title shot. In any event, Louis post WW 2 was simply not the explosive hitter he was previously and had lost a lot.



On the other points. I stated, " How would Marciano have fared against Frazier's opponents? Marciano would be an underdog to Ali and would likely lose a decision. Ali was more susceptible to a left hook, Frazier's bread and butter punch, than he was to a right hand, which was Rocky's best shot. Cus D'Amato once said that, "No swarming heavyweight who ever lived could beat George Foreman coming to him." Marciano would have had the same trouble trying to get inside George's long arms and massive uppercuts, as did the bobbing and weaving Frazier. It seems highly unlikely that Marciano could overcome the freakish power of the much larger Foreman in a slugfest. Frazier holds a win over Muhammad Ali and defeated other quality heavyweights such as Jerry Quarry who were superior to most of Marciano's competition. Had the two all time greats switched era's Frazier would have been 49-0 and Marciano would likely have had losses to Ali and Foreman on his record."



Not just my opinion. I think Cus D'Amato knew boxing pretty well. There are other boxing people who share this opinion. I would add that Frazier actually had the better style when facing a smooth boxer type because he applied consistent pressure, slipping and cutting the ring. Marciano was a little more measured in his approach and fought more in spurts. However, I do favor Marciano over Frazier head to head, although its not a given.



"Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6'5" 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion."



The reason there is no consensus on Marciano is the same reason there will not be one on Floyd Mayweather when he is 50-0 because he lacked the competition to be truly tested. "John Durant author of The Heavyweight Champions wrote in 1971 (pg 123,) "Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, and Louis. He never faced topnotch fighters like they did. It was not Rocky's fault, of course, that there was not much talent when he was fighting. He fought them all and that is what a champion is supposed to do." In Mayweather's case he avoided certain fighters and Marciano never did. If Roy Jones had retired after beating John Ruiz what would his legacy be? It is unfortunate that Marciano's quality of opponents did not let him shine against stellar competition.



"Since Marciano's claim to greatness is based largely on his unbeaten record one must put his quality of opponents under the microscope. It is true that most of Rocky's best opponents were past their prime when he faced them. Jersey Joe Walcott was 38-39 years old, Ezzard Charles was 32-33 and was at his peak at light-heavyweight and 175 pound champion Archie Moore was 42. One of the best men Marciano defeated prior to winning the title was Rex Layne. Layne lost often when he stepped up in competition. Another of the top contenders Marciano faced was Lee Savold whose career record was 89-37-3, hardly inspiring. Rocky came up in one of the weakest periods in heavyweight history, in fact the only era that is weaker than the early mid 50's amongst heavyweights is the current crop."



Rocky's unbeaten record is certainly not without tarnish. Many believe that Marciano actually did lose to Roland LaStarza in their first fight but got a gift decision. Jesse Abramson, boxing writer for the New York Daily Herald called it a "paper thin and exceedingly odd decision." And it was "universally condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice", according to newspaper reports. Even a member of the New England Press Corp, who would be inclined to favor Marciano in the New York bout against LaStarza, said it was a "dubious decision." More than 50 years later LaStarza was incredulous of the decision, "I won that fight," he maintained. In the New York Herald Tribune, Mar 25, 1950, LaStarza said, "The fact is his manager Al Weill was matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision."



After the LaStarza fight Marciano's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could fight. His next opponent was Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Tiger Ted Lowry who had a career record of 60-54-9, went the distance with Marciano. Others such as Harold (Kid) Mitchell, Art Henri, and Willis Red Applegate all had losing records. It is little wonder that Rex Layne was a 9-5 favorite over Marciano when Rocky finally stepped up in competition. It should be noted that Layne was no world beater, like most of Marciano's top opponents Layne weighed well under 200 pounds and he finished with a career record of 50-17-3."



Those are the facts of Marciano's record. Is he a top 10 all time heavyweight, most likely yes. Is he in the top 5? If you rate him that highly that is based more on myth of what you think he would do against the field rather than what his actual competition indicates.



You can read my article in its entirety below:



http://coxscorner.tripod.com/rocky.html



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spit bucket:

Maybe they hired Ariza to get some of that A side Meth.

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oubobcat:

I loved watching ESPN Classic when I was younger and they would replay old fights constantly. That's where I got to see many of Rocky Marciano's old fights.

The man retired undefeated and that to me means something. Yes it was not the top competition that some others faced but that's also not his fault. He beat everyone put in front of him and the best of his era. He was pushed on a more than once occasion and always found a way to pull the fight out.

I rank Ali as the best heavyweight ever and Joe Louis 2nd (not a far 2nd). Marciano is 3 on my list and honestly closer in my mind to Ali and Louis than most have him (not a distant 3rd but almost neck and neck with Ali and Louis).

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oubobcat:

I love the Donaire-Walters fight. This is the true main event on this card and a fight that I am really looking forward to seeing.

Walters is a real puncher with good skills and improving technique. This will not be an easy fight for Donaire who deserves credit for continuing to take on tough challengers. Walters though has not faced the competition in the ring of Doniare and has never really been pressed in a fight. So we don't know how he will respond when he faces adversity inside a boxing ring. To that extent to, we don't really know how well he takes a punch either.

This fight could go so many different directions. It is a very intriguing matchup and I am sure opinions on the outcome will very wildly. I am not ready to make a prediction on this one yet. It is a fight that I very much will be looking forward to seeing.

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Radam G:

"Who got the juice????"

Lil Floyd and The Money Team. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Good post.

This match-up has me very excited. Two guys with power to end it at any time. Nonito is going to have to put his boxing skills and defense on display in this one.Many questions will be answered in this fight. The P4P list might have to be adjusted depending on the outcome of this bout.

Best of all its free on the GGG- Rubio undercard. Thank you HBO.

It was sad to watch evil Vic lose his last few bouts, the man always came to fight and put on a good show.Walters beat him up like no other."


Fight fans have got to be thrilled about this card. It's NOT PPV. Can you imagine? A competitive boxing card that's NOT PPV?

Ken Hershmann of HBO is a very happy TV exec in 2014. His network has had a tremendous year. His counterpart, Showtime's Stephen Espinoza, is still squirming, especially after the Danny Garcia-Rod Salka main event clunker which was fed to fans a few weeks ago.

GGG-M.A. Rubio & Walters v Donaire on the same card. It's going to be a fun night.

-Randy G

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SouthPawFlo:

Who got the juice????

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deepwater2:

Good post.



This match-up has me very excited. Two guys with power to end it at any time. Nonito is going to have to put his boxing skills and defense on display in this one.Many questions will be answered in this fight. The P4P list might have to be adjusted depending on the outcome of this bout.



Best of all its free on the GGG- Rubio undercard. Thank you HBO.



It was sad to watch evil Vic lose his last few bouts, the man always came to fight and put on a good show.Walters beat him up like no other.

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New York Tony:

Rocky Marciano is easily among the top heavyweights of all time. The current revisionism, the sneering "need" to chisel away at the Rock's greatness, comes almost exclusively from people who wouldn't know boxing if it hit them with a right on the point of the chin. For instance, the contention (always expressed with the smugness of the ignorant) that the 1952 model of Joe Louis was a decrepit jalopy just waiting to be dismantled is ridiculous on the face of it. Sure, Louis' best days were behind him, but he was 37 when Rocky beat him - not 87. Let them deride - Marciano is a god of the ring and no amount of so-called reevaluation will knock him from this throne. If true greats couldn't wrest his title from him in the squared circle, you can bet that a handful of armchair "experts," who wouldn't know Sugar Ray Robinson from Sugar Ray Leonard, won't either. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

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