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stormcentre:

If Perez is on his "A" game and not still psychologically impacted from the Mago incident Jennings will be KO'd or beaten up.

The fluidity of Perez' punches, his power and his footwork, will be too much for Jennings; particularly if Perez gets inside.

Still, it's hard to know which Perez will show up.

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Radam G:

I'm the typical boxer who is facetious. And can always agree to disagree. Because I have always gone after boxers on dat syet and beat their arses.



Boxing is largely a mental game. A mind game. A chess game. You know that. Roids and PEDs put stress on the users. And in boxing, if you are in stress, you a mess. You need to be a cool, calm, collected operator. And the cheat syet of roids and PEDs messes up the rhythm and rhyme of your electrical system.



And without that perfect storm of electrical dynamics, you are shortening out. Because it is always mind over matter. And the mind needs to be in perfect working condition -- no bootlegged electrical working. Being slightly off will put one in a perfect shortening out of an arse whuppin.' Roids and PEDs bootlegs your syet. And doesn't play dat for long.



You know what happens when electrical wires fall on to the wet surface. The human's whole bodeee has its own electrical system that is in perfect harmony and balance with the internal bodee wires not dropping onto the wet.



Just as Apple and the late Steve Jobs did for communication, and people didn't know and some still don't know. There are catchers of roids and PEDs users. And dat syet has minimum and placedo effect in boxing. Because boxing is brain over brawn. The love of juice, will be make one in boxing a tasty goose. And as lame as a moose. Holla!

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stormcentre:

I personally don’t think that Olympic style testing is a phrase and/or something to be held in high regard.

The Olympics have an absolutely unenviable reputation in turning a blind eye and also performance enhancing substance testing

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stormcentre:

"From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte


“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?”"


Spot on.

To be able to say the fight is clean and/or catch them is easy (in my opinion, and I don't want offend anyone here).

All that's required is a contract that explicitly stipulates;

1) Truly independent blood testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) on a weekly basis.

2) Testing for all known and suspected agents.

3) No confidentiality clauses.

4) Truly independent urine testing (by an independently nominated and unknown {to the fighters, their managers and promoters} laboratory) in addition to the blood testing, but never without it on a weekly basis. Each fighter is then given a box of harmless but different colored placebos (pill) that have a unique chemical signature. The fighter or team is advised electronically (could be by SMS) on which pill to take for what day, and the urine sample is then taken, and either kept by the fighter, given to the collector if they're present, and/or produced when required.

This way no-one else's urine can be used regardless of when the collection takes place.


Done deal.

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stormcentre:

"Radam, if there are indeed ways to catch someone practically all the time, I'd like to hear what those ways are. It doesn't even have to be divulging anything, just a hint.

Not saying I don't believe you but considering everything that we know about cheaters being way ahead of the curve, it does sound a little unlikely."


Very diplomatic . . . :)

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oubobcat:

The Ruelas brothers were on of my favorite combinations. They fought on tv a lot in in the 90's and often made for action fights.

Gabriel Ruelas' fight with Arturo Gatti is one of my all time favorite fights. And Rafael Ruelas' fights almost always ended with someone being knocked out whether it it was or his opponent.

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stormcentre:

"WOW! Storm, that is an amazing, high-level breakdown of this stuff. How are you so knowledgable about this? This is scientific dissertation level information! Incredible!



Please give me some time before I can read and comprehend it all... Thanks for sharing this.



It certainly makes sense why Lance would get so cocky. He undoubtedly thought he was above the system. Man, I understand why you questioned that other poster as well who wrote a bit about VADA.



Also, those quotes from the article I listed were from MEMO HEREDIA!! That is something he went on the record to say - granted, in another country - and then he suddenly comes back to boxing with a desire to clean it up.



Which is certainly plausible. Except his main fighter suddenly grows bulging deltoids, acne pops up all over his back and he suddenly brutally floors Manny Pacquiao twice in six rounds.



What I found interesting about the first knockdown in December of 2012 is that in 2011, Marquez landed the exact same punch (overhand right) in the exact same spot in the ring with the EXACT same setup and the EXACT same impact in the third fight.



Unlike the third fight, this time Pacquiao fell like a sack of potatoes, as if he had been shot. (On a pure skill level -- which is almost irrelevant in this discussion -- this is indeed a testament to how much better of a craftsman Marquez is, which nullified Pacquiao's athletic advantages and thus created an equal matchup.)



Now Marquez is a puncher, a razor-sharp one. But he's not heavy-handed, at least not by accounts.



But he is doing this to a guy he has never floored before -- the same dude who took bombs from Miguel Cotto, got his eardrum punctured, his neck snapped...... And not a damn thing happened! He didn't even slow down! Or as Paulie Malignaggi said, he "walked through Cotto's punches like they were spit!"



He just continued walking this thunderous puncher down with reckless abandon. Yet Marquez brutally floors him, sends him on Queer Street in the very next round and then knocks him unconscious after that.



Now if a former proud cheater like MH pretends to want to clean up a sport and his poster boy is a guy who does the aforementioned to a guy with THAT kind of punch resistance?!



Come on.



Storm, I'll try to digest it all and I'll get back to you. Unbelievable stuff. Especially how people will turn their blind eye to it."




Thank you.



Let me say this.



Some of the words and the science I use . . may be foreign to some of you. Perhaps not.



Nonetheless, for those that are taken back by them remember this; they're only words.



They are not punches.



Most of the people that work in the industries I implicitly or explicitly refer to, are for all intensive purposes practically clueless about how sports such as boxing really work.



I am lucky to have experience across a range of different areas because I studied as I boxed - kind of like how Barrera did to become a lawyer.



You may not believe this, but as an amateur boxer, for a while, I lived in the back of a station wagon (estate for the USA readers), studied like that, and lied to some of my fellow university student friends about my living conditions because I was too embarrassed and most doing the courses I was doing were from well heeled families.



I made money waiting and (allegedly) illegally betting on my amateur fights, and sparring (warring) sessions. Then, I became a private detective and debt collector for a very long time as I studied, which was a very colorful life to say the least. It afforded me long hours sitting in vans/cars conducting surveillance whereby I could read and study.



Since I also ran (but not owned) a very popular nightclub that also used to be the hub for all things to all people, there was also a never ending series of interesting clientele, gangs, security and other "nefarious and/or notorious" people and happenings that took place.



I had the keys to a local boxing gym and took many "issues", whether they be ones that were waged on or not, there; if they were not sorted out by general discussion or other happenings on the spot.



As you can imagine not many were. :)



When I academically graduated I then realized that my experiences on the street, in life, with people, and also in the ring put me ahead of many of those that I was working in, in my chosen (academic) vocation.



From it all I learned that anyone can learn - but not all people can think.



Soon after I made a decision to keep boxing and continue post graduate studying part time, and for that I moved to California (LA, SF, Oxnard and Camarillo).



No matter what people say, Boxing (not just fighting) is a thinking man's game, and I believe a world title is far more prestigious than any degree - but a degree - like boxing skills - gives you options and knowledge; just as Sugar Ray Leonard realized when he destroyed Duran the second time.



In that second fight Leonard realized he wasn't using his intellect in the first fight and therefore wasting all those years of being a boxing undergraduate (as an amateur).



This is why, most technicians can usually turn around a loss to a swarming fighter, as I believe Frank recently touched on in one of his articles.



Don't ever forget that hypocritical and senseless critics are (usually) just people that can't do what others can.



These molecules, hemoglobin, and red blood cells; they're just as easily envisaged as a construct of tiny circles within a fluid called blood.



It's not really overly complex - certainly not as hard as 3 rounds against the top dog in your gym.



Hemoglobin molecules give blood the red color and they carry oxygen and take away carbon dioxide - simple.



Red blood cells are (basically) clumps of Hemoglobin molecules at a far less magnification.



The rest you know.



Keep up the good posts.

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The Shadow:

"From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte


“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?”"


I haven't heard Mayweather use the phrase "Olympic style testing." I've only heard him say "the test" or "random blood and urine."

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The Shadow:

"What does you guys think of Ustinov at +400? Is that a good spot? I like Fury's fighting spirit but I question his chin and ability."

There is no way in hell they let him in with someone who stands even a little chance of beating him.

Besides, even if they were even in all departments, the fact that Fury had a camp would be the difference. Just look at Kevin Johnson who lost to Chisora despite the fact that Johnson is way better. No fitness.

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deepwater2:

From convicted steroid dealer and expert Victor Conte





"Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing," Conte states. "I've never liked the use of that phrase. 'Olympic' means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that's not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has done during the previous six months?"

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The Shadow:

Radam, if there are indeed ways to catch someone practically all the time, I'd like to hear what those ways are. It doesn't even have to be divulging anything, just a hint.

Not saying I don't believe you but considering everything that we know about cheaters being way ahead of the curve, it does sound a little unlikely.

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deepwater2:

From NY



The Judah Brothers(too many to count.)



Michael Jr and Tokunbo Olajide

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ArneK.:

The Viruets and the Quarrys -- splendid choices. Of course there was a third Mayweather brother, Jeff Mayweather, the youngest of the three, who was a cut above a journeyman and had a fairly decent career. I never knew Floyd Sr., but I was very familiar with Roger and Jeff and they were two different cats. Roger is, how shall I say it, earthy. Jeff comes across as cerebral. In the cursing department ....well, that was Roger's department. I can't recall Jeff ever using a swear word. I think the only reason Jeff got into boxing was because he felt an obligation to uphold the Mayweather lineage.

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flackoguapo:

What does you guys think of Ustinov at +400? Is that a good spot? I like Fury's fighting spirit but I question his chin and ability.

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The Shadow:

"Cool.



OK, let's keep having fun on this forum."




This is an excellent discussion. Did you get a chance to see my post? Those quotes were from Memo, bro.



I know this is just fantasy but I'd love to see a human case study on what he would be able to do with Paulie Malignaggi.

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stormcentre:

Cool.

OK, let's keep having fun on this forum.

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The Shadow:

My favorites are Vitali and Wladimir, by far. No other tandem comes close, not even a little bit.

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ArneK.:

Fine examples, Radam, especially coming off the top of your head.

The Docusens, like so many people in New Orleans, had a blended ethnicity. Most reports list them as half-Filipino and half-Creole. I remember that there was some brouhaha about whether they should be classified as "colored." Mixed-race matches were still taboo in some states and the "colored" designation would have constricted their opportunities.

I'm glad we have moved beyond that nonsense.

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The Commish:

The Quarry brothers--Jerry & Mike--are my two favorites, as they were the first big-time fighters I met & befriended after breaking into the boxing biz.

They gave me plenty to write about in the 70's & lots of great memories.

It was so sad to see their rapid decline & eventual demise.

Jerry & Mike, I think about you guys a lot.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"OK.

It's all cool. I didn't think I was in a pissing contest with you to be patently honest.

I thought we (all) were on the same team.

You have inferred that PES's, or at least some of them, don't really or meaningfully assist boxers, and I have presented a different view.

Surely we can agree to disagree on that point.

Not in the least as I respect you and hope you feel the same about me.

I would prefer to have you as an ally, rather than someone in a pissing contest. Seriously.

Peace brother!!

Holla.

:)"


Hehehehe! "Not in a p$$ing contest" is just a jivy figure of speech for exchanging views in a good discussion not in a cynical way. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Sorry I missed that earlier post.

Would you agree that in the amateurs, it's mostly about speed (reflexes), whereas in the pros it's more about technique and power.

That being said, I've found that a fighter's amateur pedigree is a very useful handicapping tool.

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stormcentre:

"I never get in a p$$ng contest. Storm, how well do you know about the simple way to interrupt and easily catch cheats?

Fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia is a con man and full of himself -- total eclipse of da bullsyet. I -- and VADA -- will catch his arse 80 times a day and 80,000 times on Sunday. It is no sophistication in catching dat syet and its massing agents. And I will put my money on that.

There is always inattentional blindness to those who are looking, but not seeing. One may fight fire with fire. But most people know that often times it is better to fight fire with water.

You are not going to catch the whole nine of chemicals with chemicals or with chemical fighting and revealing chemicals. You can catch athletes on dat syet with the simplest way -- simple to the people in da know -- 99.9999998 percent of the time.

My lips are sealed. But other laymen and scholars of this discipline may come onboard and holla at ya.'

Beating and catching roids and PEDs cheats don't take a rocket scientist. Matter of fact, the rocket scientist who everybody keep referring to was a boxer. What is his name. Holla!"


OK.

It's all cool. I didn't think I was in a pissing contest with you to be patently honest.

I thought we (all) were on the same team.

You have inferred that PES's, or at least some of them, don't really or meaningfully assist boxers, and I have presented a different view.

Surely we can agree to disagree on that point.

Not in the least as I respect you and hope you feel the same about me.

I would prefer to have you as an ally, rather than someone in a pissing contest. Seriously.

Peace brother!!

Holla.

:)

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thegreyman:

I posted that on here a week or so ago Arne.

If anyone has an advantage in the pro's though, it's Golovkin. The difference between pros and amateurs is that in the pro's the aim is to do damage, and cause violence. To break your opponent mentally and physically, with much lighter gloves and less protection. Amateurs is simply about landing shots, regardless of their power or effect.

Golovkin has become so much more refined since his amateur days- his ability to place shots, choose combinations, maneuver his opponents to where he wants them, in the ring; as well as the power of his offence, and the quality of his defence. His balance, poise and positioning mean that he is always set to throw a shot, while never really being in the right place for you to do so.

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stormcentre:

Tszyu fought Hector Lopez on short notice and with only 10 fights (8 by KO, with 7 of the KO’s in the 1st 2 rounds) under his belt - that's the fight you're trying to remember (Skibbz).

Before the fight, Hector Lopez . . . what he said about his chances. . was just gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKp_-M0Mesk

“I just don't know if this kid can go the distance with me to tell you the truth. Because I think I can beat him and stop him".

“My experience gunna come in. And not just that. If he wants to just go out there and bang, we can do that too".

"I can beat him at any which way he wants to go".

"If he wants to box, he can't outbox me. If he wants to trade, hey it's OK too".

"The bottom line is that I'm gunna control the fight, and my experience gunna control the fight, and it's gunna bet set, at my tempo, and when I wanna pull the cord, I'll pull it".

Not revealed on the provided video (but included on the purchased version) is also a cameo vocal/verse where Lopez talks about his style.

It, is also gold illuminated in your hand at night.

"With me you gotta a little bit of Sugar Ray Leonard and a little bit of Tommy Hearns, a little bit of evri-ting. I aint going nowhere. I won’t be doing no running, no duck n diving, no dancing, with me I stand up. We stand and trade till someone stops”.

I love these characters and this character in boxing.

Bottom line; no other sport has it.

The character Hector displays both verbally and in the fight is tremendous.

I doubt anyone will find these types of challenges at just 10 professional fights, on 3G’s record. Lopez was a tough hombre and a virtual wrecking machine in the ring.

Additionally, you won't find any amateur videos of 3G displaying more skill than the video Skibbz posted either.

Happy to be proved wrong, so bring it on anyone!!!!

:) :)

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Radam G:

"It's plain to me that both Klitschko brothers will someday be enshrined in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. They will join the Gibbons' brothers, Tommy and Mike, as the only pair of siblings in there (unless others beat them too it).

Throughout the history of boxing, there have been numerous brother combinations. Do you have a personal favorite? Let's keep this list to combos where both siblings were noteworthy, which disqualifies the Ali brothers and the Holmes' brothers.

The long-forgotten Docusen brothers from my favorite city, New Orleans, top my list. These two stylish fighters finished with near-identical records. Bernard Docusen (74-10-6) went 15 rounds with Sugar Ray Robinson. Maxie Docusen (76-6-3) won the California state lightweight title."

O
The Docusen -- Filipinos -- are my favorite too. Buddy and Max Baer were grand. Does Marvelous Marvin Hagler count with his brother Robbie Sims? The Penalosa brothers -- Gerry and Dodie. The Donaire(y) brothers -- Nonito and Glenn. The Spinks brothers -- Leon "Deon" and Michael "Spinks Jinx." Dirrell brothers -- Andre and Anthony. The Ayala brothers -- Mike and Tony. The Garcia brother -- Robert and Mikey. And that is about it for me. Holla!

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Skibbz:

Well when it comes to personality and style of fighting I think it would have to be the Mayweather brothers Floyd and Roger. They fought some quality opponents and had good scraps between them, and Roger didn't do too bad conquering a world title.

The Puerto Rican Viruet brothers also spring to mind. Cocky, brash and tangled with some of the best lightweight and welterweights in history including Duran and Leonard, several times. Never won any major titles to my recollection, however they did pretty well for themselves. Adolfo was also Gatti's first trainer which is worth a mention too.

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Radam G:

Danggit! I got tripped up on number #13. I didn't have a clue. I got mind fudged. I gotta deal with a 95 %. Holla!

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Radam G:

I never get in a p$$ng contest. Storm, how well do you know about the simple way to interrupt and easily catch cheats?



Fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia is a con man and full of himself -- total eclipse of da bullsyet. I -- and VADA -- will catch his arse 80 times a day and 80,000 times on Sunday. It is no sophistication in catching dat syet and its massing agents. And I will put my money on that.



There is always inattentional blindness to those who are looking, but not seeing. One may fight fire with fire. But most people know that often times it is better to fight fire with water.



You are not going to catch the whole nine of chemicals with chemicals or with chemical fighting and revealing chemicals. You can catch athletes on dat syet with the simplest way -- simple to the people in da know -- 99.9999998 percent of the time.



My lips are sealed. But other laymen and scholars of this discipline may come onboard and holla at ya.'



Beating and catching roids and PEDs cheats don't take a rocket scientist. Matter of fact, the rocket scientist who everybody keep referring to was a boxer. What is his name. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Am I the only one who's aware that Golovkin beat Geale once before? That was way back in 2001 in Japan, so I wouldn't try to infer much from it.

Shucks, Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson in the amateurs which meant nothing when they hooked up again as professionals.

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Skibbz:

I'd rather be the fool for the moment than the fool for a lifetime. It speaks of your knowledge for the subject and my evident lack of knowledge. I guess I'll have to do some more reading..

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