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brownsugar:

I had a slightly different perspective. And its simply an educated guess........Algieri was clearly trying to sell tickets with his absurd prefight comments and he may have been hoping Pacman would have become angry enough to charge straight into a right hand.



Ever since JMM stopped Manny, everybody in boxing thinks all they need to do is land a perfect shot.



However it will take a special fighter to make lightening strike twice.



A knock out strategy is as reliable as blowing your pay check at the strip club and then trying to pay your rent by spending your last $20 on lottery tickets.

Odds are anyone trying that will end up homeless.



I think he tried to acknowledge Paq as a uniquely special fighter in the post fight interview but the way he said it came out sounding like grudging left-handed praise.

But that response could have been his emotions talking, the man just got his arse kicked from pillar to post. I'm surprised he didn't burst out in tears.



Maybe he was trying to keep a stiff upper lip.



I honestly think the fight should have been stopped by the tenth due to non- competitiveness.

It would have helped Algieri more than going the distance by motivating him to learn his craft. Having a fight stopped by your trainer is something no fighter wants to happen twice.( ask one the fighters Ronnie Shields stopped, ... there were many of them )

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The Shadow:

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Does anyone else understand why he says Pacquiao fought like Pacquiao? Did he expect him to fight any other way? I don't think arrogance attracts people towards you and he certainly doesn't sound at all humbled by the pounding he received... He is a man who is not magnanimous in victory nor gracious in defeat.. Not my cup of tea!"


I honestly think it was a bit of a backhanded compliment, to be honest.

The way I understood it was that Algieri doesn't think much of Pacquiao as a skilled fighter but that Pacquiao has found a way to transform his quirky, awkward style into a blaze of dynamic unpredictability that is hard to beat.

He was confused by the fact that punches he expected to see coming from where he was used to seeing them coming from didn't come from there.

Also, punches he was expecting to be thrown at a certain time or timing didn't come when he anticipated them.

Pacquiao is one of those rare talents that with a style that defies convention but works for him.

When you break him down scientifically, you may come away unimpressed, as you see many fighters express before they step in there with him -- short, light, not particularly skillful (conventionally speaking), pretty predictable offensively (feint-1-2, 1-1-2, repeat.)

Then once you're in there, you realize that while a hurricane is "predictable," it still does a lot of f****** damage, overwhelms you and there ain't much you can do about it.

It's kinda like basketball player Steve Nash when he was playing for the Phoenix Suns. You look at him and think, "oh, I'm finna ice this fool."

Then you get in there and realize that nothing could be further from the truth. This little non-threatening looking dude is about to run circles around you and embarrass you in front of your peeps.

While his conventional toolbox is far from impressive, the little things he does -- sick feints, weird rhythm, explosive backhand, punch placement, serendipitous pivots -- propel him into a stratosphere where he's nearly impossible to beat.

Naazim Richardson said it best, he's like the Rubik's Cube of boxing.

For a classic boxer like a Algieri -- an inexperienced one at that -- those small things were impossible to prepare for because they are things that cannot be taught.

Not to mention the experience on the high level. Algieri pulled out all his tricks, played his entire hand in the first four rounds with his wide array of feints, looks etc.

Manny didn't bite at all. Too seasoned, too experienced, too good.

Algieri sounded like he was thinking "This is supposed to work. Why doesn't this work?"

I think that's what he meant by his remark. In his mind he probably felt he was a better boxer than Pacquiao yet Pacquiao beat him anyway.

Sorry for the long winded post LOL.

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leon30001:

I really don't agree that Floyd is a lock vs. Manny. The fact he won't fight him tells us that much. Remember; Pac is the best fighter Floyd will EVER have faced (and vice versa, obviously).

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Froggy:

C-Al had only been knocked down by Ruslan before he met Pacquiao so I have to wonder if Manny is not fast or strong but he went down 6 times, a couple slips in there, how many times he would have went down against someone who is fast and strong ? Manny deserved more credit from someone he defeated so very, very easily !

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Skibbz:

It was a good night of boxing with no upsets. The only disappointment it must be said was the main event.. Nathan cleverly fought a l Algieri and shockingly for a man with a reknowned engine he looked spent after 8 rounds, sitting on the ropes and letting Bellew bang away.

Nonetheless it was a great night of boxing, quigg fought a very tough veteran Japanese who took everything quigg had and still remained standing.

Groves and DeGale got their victories and looked good doing so, Callum Smith went the distance against a supremely tough opponent from Eastern Europe and AJ did exactly what you wanted to see, flatten Sprott within a round. He landed such heavy leather that the ref had to jump in to protect Sprott's brain box from perm damage.

All in all a great night!

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deepwater2:

yes that was strange to hear. Was Pac fast? No. Was Pac strong? No. He beat me with experience.

He can call the right fist or the left fist experience if he wants to but it is what it is.

Tim Lane should go lock himself in a cage, he could of thrown in the towel and save his fighter some punishment.

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Skibbz:

"Your guess is as good as mineon whether Algieri cuts his longtime friends/trainers loose. I saw him do it with his fantastic cutman, George Mitchell,a disciple of the late, great cutman Al Gavin, whom Team Algieri let go after the Ruslan Provodnikov fight. Why they let him go is still a mystery to me. I intend to be speaking at length to Chris in the next few weeks, and Gerry Cooney wants to speak to him, as well.



I like Keith Trimble and I like Tim Lane. I've worked in the gym alongside Tim and I've watched Keith handle clients. They are friendly, outgoing and professional. They have also done a fine job getting Algieri into top shape. However, their teaching prowess when it comes to the nuances of boxing are limited and their shortcomings came up large on the big stage.



If Algieri was able to let Big George Mitchell go (he's 6'10"!), when he did such a fine job at containing the massive swelling around Algieri's right eye against Provodnikov, he certainly should do the same with Lane and Trimble.



I know it won't be easy, as the three are very close friends, aside from being a longtime training team.



However, there's an old addage which says, "If it's not broken, don't fix it."



I'm sure Chris Algieri is well aware that Team Algieri is broken.



It's time to fix it!



-Randy G."




I can understand that he might feel more comfortable around trainers and friends who help him get in the best shape possible for his fights but we knew before this fight that the asymmetry in info and knowledge between Tim Lane and a trainer with several world titlists is going to be huge. How huge like you mentioned only came to light after the 12 rounds.



It's business and they should understand that if Algieri wants to stick around then he's got to move on to someone who can teach him more about the sport. In my opinion having him work with a trainer who will teach him more about the sport, improve his fundamentals and to show him the difference in running behind a jab and boxing would be useful. There's only so much change you can go through successfully at Algieri's age with respect to boxing in my opinion but the benefits of a new trainer would be too large for a rational mind to pass up.



I hope for his sake that he wakes up and stops looking at himself as the full article, that way he can still make the necessary improvements and changes. If he believes he's a flawless diamond then it's going to be a short and bitter career.



Does anyone else understand why he says Pacquiao fought like Pacquiao? Did he expect him to fight any other way? I don't think arrogance attracts people towards you and he certainly doesn't sound at all humbled by the pounding he received... He is a man who is not magnanimous in victory nor gracious in defeat.. Not my cup of tea!

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deepwater2:

"That's not fair, Deep. He's had one of the toughest stretches of fights over the past few years. Herrera is a top level 140 pounder who beat Ruslan Provodnikov.

He's fought one gimme since he burst on to the world scene. If anyone deserved an easy fight it was him.

In fact, Canelo, Swift and Carl Froch have probably had the toughest schedules in boxing. (And even Froch faced a BUM in between.)

And I love Chris Algieri but what about Pacquiao fighting this con job we just saw?

I think this is a tough fight for Manny Pacquiao. I would give him the edge based on experience but then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him knocked out cold with whiplash."


It is very fair.No comparison between Froch and Garcia. Garcia got to face an overweight and shop worn Morales twice, Kendall Holt, a long in the tooth Zab Judah (which he almost lost towards the end of the bout), Herrera beat him and then Salka two weight classes above his weight.
His two big fights were Lucas M and chinny Khan. Decent run at best not one of the toughest.

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brownsugar:

Mayweather is still fighting public perception. His 14 year old son just called him a coward in the press and the baby's mama, Josie Harris is cashing in by writing a book about being abused during her time with Floyd.

And ancient proverb states that : too much wine and women makes the heart weak...due his life style Floyd may be aging quicker than Manny....plus he's already two years older

Given the strife, age and personal upheaval in Floyd's life,... I'm not ready to pronounce him the winner of a fight that's going on five years too late.

The potential is there but its certainly not guaranteed.

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Froggy:

Right on Commish, both of them past their prime but could be a great fight ! I am thinking back to Ali-Frazier 3, both past their prime but what a fight , I am pretty sure Pacquiao- Mayweather won't happen in Manila though !

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The Commish:

Where $$$May v Pac would have once matched the two top fighters in the world in their respective prime, it will now still be an evenly-matched affair with the same two fighters whowing their age--but still very evenly matched.

I once gave up on this fight ever happening. I am now leaning the other way.

From everything I have been hearing, both sides not only want it, but are scheduling meetings to discuss it.

Here's hoping it happens, once and for all.

-Randy G.

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Froggy:

Agreed KB if Maidana can win a few rounds and rough up Mayweather, whats Pacquiao going to do ?

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Kid Blast:

Yes he can, Frank. Mayweather has been fighting off the ropes of late and that's a sure sign something has changed. Meanwhile Pac has looked sharp in his last three--or, in fact, in his last four of five.



Nope, it's time to say it. Mayweather is growing older faster than Pac.

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Froggy:

"Smart move Froggy"

Thanks KB, I don't evem remember the last fight I paid to watch but I won't pay in the future either unless I feel it is worth it, I think more and more people feel the same way ! You are so right, as long as people pay, the powers that be will keep feeding the consumer a product that is overpriced !

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Kid Blast:

Smart move Froggy

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Froggy:

I didn't pay to watch, I just watched it this am. and I noticed some others here also refused to order it on PPV !

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Kid Blast:

No sport like boxing so frequently and without remorse cheats its most loyal fans. This was a flim-flam from the get go.

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The Shadow:

Dude needs to take his a$$ to Oakland ASAP.

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The Shadow:

"I like it. If PAC is going to 140 he might as well beat the champion at the weight. Barclays might get it. I think PAC boxes his ears off. Angel Garcia might pop a vein in his neck yelling at Freddie Roach.
Will tsAH allow it? Danny has a cushy gig fighting guys like Salka."


That's not fair, Deep. He's had one of the toughest stretches of fights over the past few years. Herrera is a top level 140 pounder who beat Ruslan Provodnikov.

He's fought one gimme since he burst on to the world scene. If anyone deserved an easy fight it was him.

In fact, Canelo, Swift and Carl Froch have probably had the toughest schedules in boxing. (And even Froch faced a BUM in between.)

And I love Chris Algieri but what about Pacquiao fighting this con job we just saw?

I think this is a tough fight for Manny Pacquiao. I would give him the edge based on experience but then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him knocked out cold with whiplash.

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The Commish:

All great comments above.

Knowing these guys the way I do, I think Algieri tried to be his normal, passive self, but was caught up in the moment and fell into the outrageous behavorial patterns of Tim Lane.

Deep, those are two interesting names you brought up: Kevin Rooney and Joey Gamache. However, I don't know if Rooney is A) still training fighters and B) how the raw, uncut Rooney Sr. will mix with the intellectual, hard-working bachelor that is Chris Algieri.

Another name which comes to mind is Long Island's Joe Higgins, who manages and trains several fine prospects, including unbeaten jr. middleweight prospect, Patrick Day. If Algieri intends to stay on Long Island, I think Higgins--a longtime boxing guy--will be the perfect trainer for Chris. I know this: Higgins will be able to teach Algieri to clinch, something he badly needed to do on Saturday night, but either didn't know how or have the experience and coaching to remind him to do so.

Although I don't know if Chris WILL make major changes to Team Algieri, I do know this:

He SHOULD!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I keep saying Deep more to you! Those guys were simply sticking their money in the air willing to let fate decide.. The universe won't always be on your side and no magic stones will help your cause if the actuality of reality is against you.

Commish do you think he will be hiring Tim Lane for his next fight or will he seek out a new trainer? He has a nice bonus to play with right now and a good trainer who knows what prizefighting is about might be able to help him work his way towards a title shot.. Keep the Algieri show rollin'!"


Your guess is as good as mineon whether Algieri cuts his longtime friends/trainers loose. I saw him do it with his fantastic cutman, George Mitchell,a disciple of the late, great cutman Al Gavin, whom Team Algieri let go after the Ruslan Provodnikov fight. Why they let him go is still a mystery to me. I intend to be speaking at length to Chris in the next few weeks, and Gerry Cooney wants to speak to him, as well.

I like Keith Trimble and I like Tim Lane. I've worked in the gym alongside Tim and I've watched Keith handle clients. They are friendly, outgoing and professional. They have also done a fine job getting Algieri into top shape. However, their teaching prowess when it comes to the nuances of boxing are limited and their shortcomings came up large on the big stage.

If Algieri was able to let Big George Mitchell go (he's 6'10"!), when he did such a fine job at containing the massive swelling around Algieri's right eye against Provodnikov, he certainly should do the same with Lane and Trimble.

I know it won't be easy, as the three are very close friends, aside from being a longtime training team.

However, there's an old addage which says, "If it's not broken, don't fix it."

I'm sure Chris Algieri is well aware that Team Algieri is broken.

It's time to fix it!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

The members of this sideshow should be breaking up soon. They were a big combo of stupidity and a strong smell of stench. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Well done Randy.

That Crow pie is something we have all ate at sometime.

Algieri couldn't have hoped for better support."


Thanks, guys. I'm (munch) reading your posts at breakfast on Monday morning.

This morning it's Crow Omelette with a side of Crow Bacon.

I can't even get away from it (munch, gulp!) when I am not eating. Earlier, my wife and I were visiting some of the kids. My granddaughter was doing homework. What was she studying? CROmagnons!!

Time to finish my Cinnamon Crow Coffee and get ready (munch, munch) to head to the studio and brace myself for a final two hours of eating some heavy platefuls of Crow.

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

Well done Randy.

That Crow pie is something we have all ate at sometime.

Algieri couldn't have hoped for better support.

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Skibbz:

"F all that noise. C-al was way too arrogant and confident during prefight. to me he still sounded as if he didnt want admit manny is in a complete different class and is an animal by saying its only the exerience level.... and c-al was in complete survival mode the whole fight, he survived by riding his bike the whole night, his game plan was out the window once he got hit. anyways this cocky clown with a college degree just got taken to school by a true master boxer from professor pacman who holds a doctorates degree in the sweet science!"



I agree with what Deep says but I think Algieri got his big head and ego too involved and fooled himself into believing pacquiao is just any one and he has what it takes. Even after the fight he was saying Pac fought like Pac and Pac is a great champion. How else would he expect Pac to fight? He wouldn't accept he was beaten by a simply better fighter in all regards. He was way in over his head and he still couldnt see it. Hundreds of bouts amatuer and professional can help you prepare for pacquiao, a few kickboxing bouts and 19 road sweepers isn't the learning process to pass to be on the same level as manny.



And tim lane should be gone.

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stormcentre:

I'm not buying.

Lomanchenko really displayed all the skills I knew he had (against a marginally slower guy that Gary Russell would beat also).

But, in my opinion, Floyd is way too much for him right now - even in just power alone.

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rdv_27:

I'd love to see Mikey Garcia vs Loma.

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stormcentre:

"Great matchup, just for the fact Danny G sits in that pocket and fights, meaning we will get some great exchanges. Pac by stoppage or UD

Put up a decent undercard and we have a legit PPV"


Yes good point about Garcia's style.

He fights and doesn't (usually) give up.

Pure Philly.

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amayseng:

Great matchup, just for the fact Danny G sits in that pocket and fights, meaning we will get some great exchanges. Pac by stoppage or UD

Put up a decent undercard and we have a legit PPV

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Radam G:

"Oh yes, just the pre-fight intercourse between Roach and Angel would make the fight worth it.

All things considered, and save for a lucky punch, Pac should run over Danny though.

Too much speed, power and experience."


It will be more intense between PacMommy D and Papa Angel. Holla!

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