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dino da vinci:

...sa matta, Shad?

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dino da vinci:

"Who or what is "TsAH" ?"



The shadow Al Haymon

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Denise Alvarez:

Who or what is "TsAH" ?

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deepwater2:

"I finally found a blank space to ask one of the bloggers: What the hell does"TsAH" mean?"



The shadow al haymon

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Denise Alvarez:

I finally found a blank space to ask one of the bloggers: What the hell does"TsAH" mean?

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deepwater2:

a perfect poem to read this morning. it was so nice I read it twice

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The Commish:

"Sounds to me like GBP and HBO might not only have some non slander/disparaging - but also some cross-business promotion and/or approval, commendation, compliment, flatter, laud, praise, and sanction clauses.

Hershman is dripping with it for a guy that has seen Oscar walk across the road, and then back again.

Still, that's just me - I could be wrong."


It's all about the almighty $$$.

You know that.

We all know that.

Show me the money!

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

Sounds to me like GBP and HBO might not only have some non slander/disparaging - but also some cross-business promotion and/or approval, commendation, compliment, flatter, laud, praise, and sanction clauses.

Hershman is dripping with it for a guy that has seen Oscar walk across the road, and then back again.

Still, that's just me - I could be wrong.

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stormcentre:

I remember Shane (Oscar and Vernon) as amateurs.

All classy guys that were - like me - really interested in all aspects of the sport.

Mosley started amateur boxing at approximately 8 years old.

He had what I would call an outstanding amateur record consisting of 266 amateur fights, with approximately 16 losses.

As an amateur Shane also had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Stevie Johnston and Vernon Forrest.

Shane and Oscar both grew up in Southern California where they also, together, competed and travelled as part of the American national boxing team; where at various stage(s) both guys were rated number one in their respective weight classes.

Mosley also competed in the 1992 Olympic Trials, but unfortunately he lost a semi-final decision against Vernon Forrest; whom he would later unsuccessfully meet as a professional fighter.

As a professional fighter though - for me - Shane's two breakout fights occurred in 1997 and 2000, where, respectively, Mosley;

a) Almost blew out Philip Holiday, and seriously dominated him for Shane's first world title shot, resulting in a successful 12 round unanimous decision of the IBF lightweight title Holiday previously held.

b) Moved up a few divisions and beat Oscar De La Hoya for the WBC and IBA versions of the welterweight title; via a 12 round split decision that took place halfway through the year 2000.

Shane is, in my opinion, a throwback fighter.

He will fight almost anyone, understands the nuances of various boxing styles (Mexican, Russian, USA and European) and how to compete against them, he provides rematches, challenges again if he loses, and he has the heart of a lion and the mind of a warrior.

The guy is solid in my books.

Sure he has continued on a little longer than perhaps he should, but hey it's his job and who can easily walk away from the lights, attention, and cash?

After Shane fought Oscar (for the first time) Shane’s style seemed to become more reliant upon reflexes, speed, power, and various unorthodox moves and feints.

Something Jack Mosey claimed was "Power Boxing".

And, up until, perhaps, 2004, when Shane fought Ronald Winky Wright for the first time – which itself was a year after Shane successfully/controversially beat Oscar for a second time – that “Power Boxing” style seemed to suit and serve Mosley well.

If I was pushed to criticise Shane’s boxing style it would be hard, and that critique would reside at the very top level of boxing.

However, in that case, I would probably say that his apparent focus on "Power Boxing", and its reliance upon reflexes, speed, power, and various unorthodox moves, . . . . perhaps disregarded (a) longevity in the sport, (b) how a fighter's style deteriorates, and (c) what additional risks are carried along with that deterioration - particularly where/if the boxer still decides to continue competing (as it was obvious Shane had great potential to do) with eroded reflexes.

Roy Jones Jr. and his style was similar in this respect.

As a strategist, I believe this and perhaps also other controvertible considerations possibly led to Shane's veteran boxing style shrinking down into one that, not only relied too heavily on past/absent reflexes - but was also devoid of both a meaningful defence and jab.

This, more than otherwise may be the case, in turn, then increased difficulty when Shane went to compete on the big stage and at the top level; as he remained dangerous and also transitioned into veteran status.

As a result things were not as they used to be, after Shane fought (depending on who you talk to) Forrest, Wright, Estrada or Vargas.

These are the main reasons why Shane was not (as) competitive with Pacquaio and Mayweather when he eventually fought them.

I have deliberately left the Cotto fight out.

As in my opinion Shane won that and/or, at least, deserved a draw there.

Aside from the absence of Shane’s jab and Cotto’s introduction of one; any slip in Shane’s style during the Cotto V Mosley fight was not necessarily evident or highlighted by Cotto’s style - due to the fact that Cotto is more of a boxer-puncher than fast or slick boxer.

This (and possibly several other reasons) is also why the Margarito fight was not as entirely revealing about the trajectory arc of Shane’s brilliant fighting career, as, say, Shane’s fights with; Collazo, Mora, Pacquaio, and Mayweather.

But make no mistake, if you replace the veteran Shane Mosley boxer that fought Pacquaio and Mayweather with the Shane Mosley that fought Oscar in 2000, and then if you take that Mosley version back in time to fight either Pacquaio and Mayweather again - or even the Pacquaio and/or Mayweather that existed 5 years earlier (than when Shane actually fought them); I believe the entire landscape of those two 12 round fights when Shane fought Pacquaio and Mayweather would be noticeably different.

And that's because Shane, in his prime and for some years either sides of that timeframe, was a sensationally dynamic boxer.

There’s no doubt in my mind that Shane Mosley is a genuine throwback fighter that is both old and new skool; which makes him really cool.

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stormcentre:

I remember Shane (Oscar and Vernon) as amateurs.

All classy guys that were - like me - really interested in all aspects of the sport.

Mosley started amateur boxing at approximately 8 years old.

He had what I would call an outstanding amateur record consisting of 266 amateur fights, with approximately 16 losses.

As an amateur Shane also had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Stevie Johnston and Vernon Forrest.

Shane and Oscar both grew up in Southern California where they also, together, competed and travelled as part of the American national boxing team; where at various stage(s) both guys were rated number one in their respective weight classes.

Mosley also competed in the 1992 Olympic Trials, but unfortunately he lost a semi-final decision against Vernon Forrest; whom he would later unsuccessfully meet as a professional fighter.

As a professional fighter though - for me - Shane's two breakout fights occurred in 1997 and 2000, where, respectively, Mosley;

a) Almost blew out Philip Holiday, and seriously dominated him for Shane's first world title shot, resulting in a successful 12 round unanimous decision of the IBF lightweight title Holiday previously held.

b) Moved up a few divisions and beat Oscar De La Hoya for the WBC and IBA versions of the welterweight title; via a 12 round split decision that took place halfway through the year 2000.

Shane is, in my opinion, a throwback fighter.

He will fight almost anyone, understands the nuances of various boxing styles (Mexican, Russian, USA and European) and how to compete against them, he provides rematches, challenges again if he loses, and he has the heart of a lion and the mind of a warrior.

The guy is solid in my books.

Sure he has continued on a little longer than perhaps he should, but hey it's his job and who can easily walk away from the lights, attention, and cash?

After Shane fought (Oscar for the first time) Shane’s style seemed to become more reliant upon reflexes, speed, power, and various unorthodox moves and feints.

Something Jack Mosey claimed was "Power Boxing".

And, up until, perhaps, 2004, when Shane fought Ronald Winky Wright for the first time – which itself was a year after Shane successfully/controversially beat Oscar for a second time – that “Power Boxing” style seemed to suit and serve Mosley well.

If I was pushed to criticise Shane’s boxing style it would be hard, and that critique would reside at the very top level of boxing.

However, in that case, I would probably say that his apparent focus on "Power Boxing", and its reliance upon reflexes, speed, power, and various unorthodox moves, . . . . perhaps disregarded (a) longevity in the sport, (b) how a fighter's style deteriorates, and (c) what additional risks are carried along with that deterioration - particularly where/if the boxer still decides to continue competing (as it was obvious Shane had great potential to do) with eroded reflexes.

As a strategist, I believe this and perhaps also other controvertible considerations possibly led to Shane's veteran boxing style shrinking down into one that, not only relied too heavily on past/absent reflexes - but also was devoid of both a meaningful defence and jab.

This, more than otherwise may be the case, in turn, then increased difficulty when Shane went to compete on the big stage and at the top level.

As a result things were not as they used to be, after Shane fought (depending on who you talk to) Forrest, Wright, Estrada or Vargas.

These are the main reasons why Shane was not (as) competitive with Pacquaio and Mayweather when he eventually fought them.

I have deliberately left the Cotto fight out, as in my opinion Shane won that and/or, at least, deserved a draw there.

Aside from the absence of Shane’s jab and Cotto’s introduction of one; any slip in Shane’s style during the Cotto V Mosley fight was not necessarily highlighted by Cotto’s style - due to the fact that Cotto is more of a boxer-puncher than fast or slick boxer.

But make no mistake, if you replace the veteran Shane Mosley boxer that fought Pacquaio and Mayweather with the Shane Mosley that fought Oscar in 2000, and take Mosley back in time to fight either Pacquaio and Mayweather again - or even the Pacquaio and/or Mayweather that existed 5 years earlier (than when Shane actually fought them); I believe the entire landscape of those two 12 round fights would be noticeably different.

And that's because Shane is a genuine throwback fighter that is both old and new skool; which makes him really cool.

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Skibbz:

What a pleasure to read Randy, your gift for poetry has become apparent!!

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you, hope everyone has a great day filled with drink and food around family.

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stormcentre:

I remember Shane (Oscar and Vernon) as amateurs.

All classy guys that were - like me - really interested in all aspects of the sport.

Mosley started amateur boxing at approximately 8 years old.

He had what I would call an outstanding amateur record consisting of 266 amateur fights, with approximately 16 losses.

As an amateur Shane also had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Stevie Johnston and Vernon Forrest.

Shane and Oscar both grew up in Southern California where they also, together, competed and travelled as part of the American national boxing team; where at various stage(s) both guys were rated number one in their respective weight classes.

Mosley also competed in the 1992 Olympic Trials, but unfortunately he lost a semi-final decision against Vernon Forrest; whom he would later unsuccessfully meet as a professional fighter.

As a professional fighter though - for me - Shane's two breakout fights occurred in 1997 and 2000, where, respectively, Mosley;

a) Almost blew out Philip Holiday, and seriously dominated him for Shane's first world title shot, resulting in a successful 12 round unanimous decision the IBF lightweight title Holiday previously held.

b) Moved up a few divisions and beat Oscar De La Hoya for the WBC and IBA versions of the welterweight title; via a 12 round split decision halfway through the year 2000.

Shane is, in my opinion, a throwback fighter.

He will fight almost anyone, understands the nuances of various boxing styles (Mexican, Russian, USA and European) and how to compete against them, he provides rematches, challenges again of he loses, and he the heart of a lion and the mind of a warrior.

The guy is solid in my books.

Sure he has continued on a little longer than perhaps he should, but hey it's his job and who can easily walk away from the lights, attention and cash?

After Shane fought Oscar his style seemed to become more reliant upon reflexes, speed, and power.

Something Jack Mosey claimed was "Power Boxing".

If I was pushed to criticise him, that critique would reside at the top level.

In that case, I would probably say that his apparent focus on "Power Boxing" . . . . perhaps disregarded longevity, how a fighter's style deteriorates, and what additional risks are carried along with that - particularly if the boxer still decides to continue competing (as it was obvious Shane had great potential to do) with eroded reflexes.

As a strategist, I believe this and perhaps also other controvertible considerations possibly led to Shane's veteran boxing style collapsing into one that, not only relied too heavily on past/absent reflexes - but also was devoid of both a meaningful defence and jab.

These are the main reasons why Shane was not competitive with Pacquaio and Mayweather when he eventually fought them.

But make no mistake, if you replace the veteran Shane Mosley boxer that fought Pacquaio and Mayweather with the Shane Mosley that fought Oscar in 2000, and take him back in time to fight either Pacquaio and Mayweather again - or even the Pacquaio and/or Mayweather that existed 5 years earlier than when Shane actually fought them; the entire landscape of those 12 round fights would be noticeably different in my opinion.

And that's because Shane is a genuine throwback fighter that is both old and new skool; which makes him really cool.

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stormcentre:

I remember Shane (Oscar and Vernon) as amateurs.

All classy guys that were - like me - really interested in all aspects of the sport.

Mosley started amateur boxing at approximately 8 years old.

He had what I would call an outstanding amateur record consisting of 266 amateur fights, with approximately 16 losses.

As an amateur Shane also had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Stevie Johnston and Vernon Forrest.

Shane and Oscar both grew up in Southern California where they also, together, competing and travelled as part of the american national boxing team; where at various stage(s0 both guys were rated number one in their respective weight classes.

Mosley also competed in the 1992 Olympic Trials, but unfortunately he lost a semi-final decision against Vernon Forrest; whom he would later unsuccessfully meet as a professional fighter.

As a professional fighter though - for me - Shane's two breakout fights occurred in 1997 and 2000, where, respectively, Mosley;

a) Almost blew out Philip Holiday, and seriously dominated him for Shane's first world title shot, resulting in a successful 12 round unanimous decision the IBF lightweight title Holiday previously held.

b) Moved up a few divisions and beat Oscar De La Hoya for the WBC and IBA versions of the welterweight title; via a 12 round split decision halfway through the year 2000.

Shane is, in my opinion, a throwback fighter.

He will fight almost anyone, understands the nuances of various boxing styles (Mexican, Russian, USA and European) and how to compete against them, he provides rematches, challenges again of he loses, and he the heart of a lion and the mind of a warrior.

The guy is solid in my books.

Sure he has continued on a little longer than perhaps he should, but hey it's his job and who can easily walk away from the lights, attention and cash?

After Shane fought Oscar his style seemed to become more reliant upon reflexes, speed, and power.

Something Jack Mosey claimed was "Power Boxing".

If I was pushed to criticise him, that critique would reside at the top level.

In that case, I would probably say that his apparent focus on "Power Boxing" . . . . perhaps disregarded longevity, how a fighter's style deteriorates, and what additional risks are carried along with that - particularly if the boxer still decides to continue competing (as it was obvious Shane had great potential to do) with eroded reflexes.

As a strategist, I believe this and perhaps also other controvertible considerations possibly led to Shane's veteran boxing style collapsing into one that, not only relied too heavily on past/absent reflexes - but also was devoid of both a meaningful defence and jab.

These are the main reasons why Shane was not competitive with Pacquaio and Mayweather when he eventually fought them.

But make no mistake, if you replace the veteran Shane Mosley boxer that fought Pacquaio and Mayweather with the Shane Mosley that fought Oscar in 2000, and take him back in time to fight either Pacquaio and Mayweather again - or even the Pacquaio and/or Mayweather that existed 5 years earlier than when Shane actually fought them; the entire landscape of those 12 round fights would be noticeably different in my opinion.

And that's because Shane is a genuine throwback fighter that is both old and new skool; which makes him really cool.

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dino da vinci:

"I wonder what you guys think of this one:



2001 Sugar Shane Mosley vs. 1981 Sugar Shane Mosley."




Considering Shane was 10 at the time, I really like the advanced, more mature 2001 version. 😃

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The Shadow:

I wonder what you guys think of this one:

2001 Sugar Shane Mosley vs. 1981 Sugar Shane Mosley.

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Carmine Cas:

Good quick read, hoping The Razor pulls the upset.

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Carmine Cas:

You guys pretty much said everything lol. I for see Floyd trying to compute his usual analyzation in the early rounds except this time he will opponent be an advanced form of malware impervious to any counter measures lil Floyd has in place. Floyd will make it competitive but I predict a late round stoppage or UD for SRL.

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Carmine Cas:

The bomb diggity indeed Commish! Merry Christmas to all!

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Carmine Cas:

Glad to see one of the big media outlets criticize tsah. Although I'm not the biggest fan of Jim Lampley someone had to do it. I think whatever car load of cash Al Haymon offers blabbering Jim, HBO will match.

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the Roast:

Nice work Randy G. Merry Christmas TSS!

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Pazuzu:

Epic. Great stuff.

Only on TSS are we treated to Gentleman Gerry punching out St. Nick, and then making good on it.

Merry Christmas, fellas.

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Radam G:

You were NICE with it! That dat was da BOMB! Holla!

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Radam G:

"You read it wrong, Rad. Lampley has unimpeachable integrity. He couldn't buy a Jim Lampley with a boxcar full of money."



Hehehehe! I was being a sarcastic Grinch who loves being down with O-P-P on Christmas morning. Hey! Y'all know me!



I know that J-Lamp is a shinning star of honest in a seedy, shady, sleazy sport that we all like like a naughty, old uncle who is always talking syet and beating you climbing up coconut trees at a 114-year-old.



I told Tio Mamoy that Santa Claus might be passing by on his sleigh with the reindeer, and Rudolph might kicked him in the dome.



Tio went OFF! "I will have P-Island nighthawks to puck up 'em reindeer, and I'll kick Santa's pat arse. Muthapuckaaaaa...." And then Tio Mamoy felt to sleep. Hahaha! Holla!

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Froggy:

WOW, great stuff again Randy G and also merry Christmas to all at TSS !

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stormcentre:

Brilliant stuff Commish.

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Froggy:

Great article and great post brownsugar ! How is tsAH selling his product to NBC ? I can't believe NBC is dumb enough to put out money for one-sided fights, if they are that dumb, good, they should lose their shirt if boxing fans start watching only what is worth their time to watch !

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brownsugar:

There is really nothing good to say about a promoter who pits his fighters against international unknown "journey men" week after week ( l struggle out of respect not to call them bums).

How many times can a dyed in the wool boxing fan watch a top level boxer fight another unknown no-hope opponent? And still maintain any level of interest. Watching a fighter fight just for the sake of watching a fight is like playing poker for a glass of water.

People watch football all season because the regular season games lead to the climax of the going to the Super Bowl. There's a sense the competing teams on a quest... and not just simply treading water for our lack of amusement.

However in 2013 Haymon gave us many blockbusters when he had to go head to head with HBO... ( after being booted for dribbling and dabbling with the competition)....boxing has always been about "what have you done for me lately" . I really don't want to see Dawson or Fonfara get their groove back on live TV. Complacency on Haymon's behalf is a huge error when a Deep Pocketed Mogul like J-Z is throwing buckets loads of cash at your fighters in broad daylight just to promote quality Shows.

Combining a music concert featuring top entertainers with an entre' of competitive fights will become the norm eventually, especially for the jaded thrill seekers of NY NY. Its only a matter of time.

Fights like Berto / Guerrero, Thurman/ Soto Karas, Mayweather / Canelo, and Mattysse versus Garcia actually had us glued to the tube and generated interest, ....it got people talking about boxing again. The only people profiting this year under the Haymon banner are the companies making anti-sleep preparations and caffiene products ...
Why suddenly start shifting in reverse after gaining so much foreward momentum the year before?
Why duck a middleweight whom Andy Lee could stop within 6 rounds? Not to take anything away from Lee but Quillen passed on 1.5 mil just to supervise his couch and change diapers. I would have went after the money and paid somebody else to watch my new borne...college is pretty expensive these days.

Match 'em tough, they won't die. Maybe boxing will return to its former Glory.

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brownsugar:

"@bs. No such thing as a fledgling Leonard.



By the way, your usual great work as of late has been a notch above phenomenal. I know I speak for everyone here when I say we appreciate it. Thx brown..."




Thanks I'm also smart enough to know when fold'm you guys have way to many excellent posts for me to argue with. So I'm stepping away from this one ....lol.

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dino da vinci:

@bs. No such thing as a fledgling Leonard.

By the way, your usual great work as of late has been a notch above phenomenal. I know I speak for everyone here when I say we appreciate it. Thx brown...

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dino da vinci:

You read it wrong, Rad. Lampley has unimpeachable integrity. He couldn't buy a Jim Lampley with a boxcar full of money.

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