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The Shadow:

"If Jordan is representative of the pinnacle of the sport... and is the embodiment of the greatest basketball player who ever lived. ....Then within the context of that definition I would have to say probably not.

But only because of a couple of untimely periods of inactivity.

Ultimately the nominee for the best ever scenario in boxing is a discussion that could potentially rage until the end of time.

But if we take into account Floyd's body of work within the last two decades..... he cannot be dismissed. On the contrary.....he must be embraced as one of the best ever within the context of the last twenty five years.

Honestly I also think its a position he would have to share with Manny Pacquiao since we don't have conclusive evidence which fighter would have prevailed had they met in 2009. Even though Manny lost to fighter who would never have a chance of defeating Floyd Mayweather.

Other than Manny,.... Floyd's timeline intersects with some of the greatest boxers in modern history.

Early in his career Mayweather challenged Sugar Shane Mosely when he still had a 92% KO ratio at lightweight. Shane declined the offer while explaining that he needed to go to the dentist. Yet he would go onto fight Vernon Forest and Oscar Del LA Hoya twice.

Floyd won the title from one of the most experienced and seasoned veteran boxers of the 90's....Genaro Hernandez...... at a point in his career when Genaro was considered to be invincible.

And he did it at the tender age of 21years old.

Floyd challenged a murderous boxer puncher named Kostya Tszyu who declined Floyds offer and eventually fought an energized Ricky Hatton instead a year later and was forced to retire before the final bell. ....Floyd destroyed Kostya's conquerer ... a tough physical brawler who had never known defeat.

Shane Mosely destroys a human wrecking machine named Antonio Margarito whom no one wanted any part of and becomes the Crown Jewell of the welterweight division until he subsequently becomes diagnosed as a shot fighter after facing Mayweather.

Floyd had a similar effect on Cotto also,

Cotto was also perceived to be unfit to compete at the elite level after suffering a decisive loss to Mayweather via unanimous decision. Cotto would go onto to establish himself as a future Hall of Famer by destroying Martinez for the middleweight title.

Canelo was said to be too green...after his one sided loss to Mayweather but has defeated the very best junior middleweights in the world today.

Do you see a pattern emerging here?

Floyd would have to ascend to mount olympus and defeat Zeus in a barehanded brawl to have a Career that was any more Mythic than his current resume.

And given the length of time he's been dominant in the sport even Jordan has to appreciate his longevity and the quality of his opposition.

Due to Floyds acrimonious relationship with the public it may take a while for fans to appreciate. But rest assured those accolades are forth coming.




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Check this out, Suge. From a fighter: http://www.fighthype.com/news/article18328.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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the Roast:

If Malik Scott is in the mix it may be time to throw away the batch. Jim? Back to you.

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The Commish:

"Just a few moments ago, Malik Scott of Philadelphia outpointed former Klitschko foe and heavyweight title challenger Alex Leapai (30-6-3, 24 KO) at the Logan Metro Sports Centre in Crestmead, Queensland, Australia, cruising to a lopsided decision over the game, but overmatched Australian.

The three scorecards read 100-90, 99-91 and 98-92.

Utilizing his superior boxing skill, the taller Scott stayed on the outside and picked at the smaller Leapai who was unable to close the distance on the elusive American.

Scott -- coming off a disappointing knockout loss to good friend Deontay Wilder in a WBC title elimination bout -- regrouped with an impressive performance in enemy territory, putting him right back in the heavyweight mix.

Scott improves to 37-2 while Leapai drops to six defeats in 39 outings."

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Talk is cheap. Real cheap.

Prior to the fight and at the final press conference for this one, Leapia said things such as "Scott has no chance against me" and "I'm gonna' tear his head off." Guess what? Leapai didn't get close to doing any such thing.

Either the fight showed that Scott indeed has some some boxing ability or that Leapai has none. With a hometown crows cheering him on from the outset, he quickly turned them into a still life watercolor with his slow, lumbering, mummy-like advances towards Scott, who has had harder gym workouts.

Leapai should have jumped right on Scott, the way Deontay Wilder did, and stayed there. Wilder's power and pressure were simply too much for Scott to take, and he folded like a kid's backyard tent in a wind storm.

With his non-effort against Wladimir Klitschko, in which he talked a much better fight than the one he stepped into the ring with, now making Malik Scott look like he's the man to dethrone both Klitschko and Bermane Stiverne, you'd have to think that Australia will have to wait a bit longer for a homegrown heavyweight contender to come along.

Maybe they can pin their heavyweight hopes on 21-0 Lucas Browne?

As for Leapai, sorry, Bernie Campbell. I know you idolized Leapai, but he just ain't the one. His bark is bigger than his bite!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Just a few moments ago, Malik Scott of Philadelphia outpointed former Klitschko foe and heavyweight title challenger Alex Leapai (30-6-3, 24 KO) at the Logan Metro Sports Centre in Crestmead, Queensland, Australia, cruising to a lopsided decision over the game, but overmatched Australian.

The three scorecards read 100-90, 99-91 and 98-92.

Utilizing his superior boxing skill, the taller Scott stayed on the outside and picked at the smaller Leapai who was unable to close the distance on the elusive American.

Scott -- coming off a disappointing knockout loss to good friend Deontay Wilder in a WBC title elimination bout -- regrouped with an impressive performance in enemy territory, putting him right back in the heavyweight mix.

Scott improves to 37-2 while Leapai drops to six defeats in 39 outings."



Talk is cheap. Real cheap.

Prior to the fight and at the final press conference for this one, Leapia said things such as "Scott has no chance against me" and "I'm gonna' tear his head off." Guess what? Leapai didn't get close to doing any such thing.

Either the fight showed that Scott indeed has some some boxing ability or that Leapai has none. With a hometown crows cheering him on from the outset, he quickly turned them into a still life watercolor with his slow, lumbering, mummy-like advances towards Scott, who has had harder gym workouts.

Leapai should have jumped right on Scott, the way Deontay Wilder did, and stayed there. Wilder's power and pressure were simply too much for Scott to take, and he folded like a kid's backyard tent in a wind storm.

With his non-effort against Wladimir Klitschko, in which he talked a much better fight than the one he stepped into the ring with, now making Malik Scott look like he's the man to dethrone both Klitschko and Bermane Stiverne, you'd have to think that Australia will have to wait a bit longer for a homegrown heavyweight contender to come along.

Maybe they can pin their heavyweight hopes on 21-0 Lucas Browne?

As for Leapai, sorry, Bernie Campbell. I know you idolized Leapai, but he just ain't the one. His bark is bigger than his bite!

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

Hehehehe! Awesome music and very truthful lyrics, Skibbz. Holla!

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Skibbz:

"It's interesting.

I was pretty sure that once Miss Jackson led the way on how to get money/lifestyle from Floyd without (necessarily and/or always) dropping to your knees, others would consider the risk/reward and follow.

Floyd just made it easier for them by his "All Access" (excuse the lame pun) antics.

In boxing gyms, usually you have to have not just people that understand boxing, but also good teachers that know how/when to impart knowledge.

I think it will be a while before the Mayweather gym produces (not just takes over) any serious champions of note.

It may even not happen until the next generation of Mayweathers.

Does anybody know? Was D2 serious about Love being TMT's new CEO?

Surely that's a joke."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZ04FPK0S8

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stormcentre:

It's interesting.

I was pretty sure that once Miss Jackson led the way on how to get money/lifestyle from Floyd without (necessarily and/or always) dropping to your knees, others would consider the risk/reward and follow.

Floyd just made it easier for them by his "All Access" (excuse the lame pun) antics.

In boxing gyms, usually you have to have not just people that understand boxing, but also good teachers that know how/when to impart knowledge.

I think it will be a while before the Mayweather gym produces (not just takes over) any serious champions of note.

It may even not happen until the next generation of Mayweathers.

Does anybody know? Was D2 serious about Love being TMT's new CEO?

Surely that's a joke.

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The Shadow:

"Was Arias contractually tied to Mayweather promotions D2?"

What was Floyd to do? They have a lawsuit going on so the lines are drawn. It's either one side or the other.

Especially when it's a case of a close family friend -- the Rahmans have been close with the Mayweathers for many, many years -- so there's the element of betrayal also.

And to answer your question, according to Arias, he wasn't contractually tied to them. (I get the feeling you knew that hehe.)

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The Commish:

I totally agree, Deep. Saunders can and will make a lot of noise, but that's all he will do. He's not that rowdy and out of control that he's gonna' swat Eubanks Jr.--or anybody else--at the press conference.

He's gonna' save the fireworks for the ring!

Can't wait for the card. It indeed is a good one.

-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

Was Arias contractually tied to Mayweather promotions D2?

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deepwater2:

Solid work.keep up the good job man.

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deepwater2:

Shane can beat anybody except the boxers he lost to and the divorce lawyer that took his belts also.



Shane should fight Mayorga or Taylor .



Maybe Shane can give a young fighter a shot? Luis Arias just got released by Floyd Mayweather promotions for saying hi to the Rahman brothers. Maybe Oscar can step in and sign him. The kid was the best prospect in that illegal Mayweather gym. Floyd had his new CEO j Leon love fire the kid. What a class guy.

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Radam G:

"Kind of ironic a Canadian, Tommy Burns, gave Johnson a shot at the title but Johnson didn't want to give a foreigner, another Canadian Sam Langford, a shot at the title ! I think the fact they had already fought a few times might have had something to do with his decision !"

Your thinking would be right. And that is boxing. You don't fight any Sam that there may be you for peanuts. Nevertheless, JJ could have made a mint in Canada to fight Langford there, but JJ went for the easier mints on the mainland of the USA.

Johnson was making Money May's type of money for those days to fight the ethnic of pugs that he fought while champ.

Money May has learned well about boxing business. As Johnson did 99 years ago and plus by fighting white fighters and making that mad dough -- actually in gold -- Money May prefer to dance with Latino white fighters because of how much of that mad paper dough that he makes.

Just as Money May shows off that weak U.S. paper money, JJ showed off gold coins and bars. Matter of fact, he got so jiggy with it, that he showed his status of making the big gold by having some put on his grill, thus he was literally known for his "Golden smile." But knuckleheaded bigots and racists of those yesteryears, called him "A Golden-teeth grinning coon." OMFG! Those were some crazy times. Holla!

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Froggy:

"Easy breezy WHY! MONEY!



After "Big Ole Smoke, " whup up on Tommy Boy, aka "Noah, "Unforgivable Blackness" announced that he was continuing the "drawing of the Color Line." And not fight any "Colored fighters," especially Sam Longford because he was "a foreigner" and "I won the title back for Americans."



Holla at some of Jack Johnson's own spoken words on YouTube. He was a paradox and an enigma. Holla!"




Kind of ironic a Canadian, Tommy Burns, gave Johnson a shot at the title but Johnson didn't want to give a foreigner, another Canadian Sam Langford, a shot at the title ! I think the fact they had already fought a few times might have had something to do with his decision !

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stormcentre:

"If this madness happens I would take Shane over JT even at 160.

At least Shane has intentions of landing shots."


Good point.

You got me thinking, maybe I should reconsider my above stated position on Shane's comeback.

After all, if Taylor can get a world title shot and go forward; then Shane probably can too (particularly with Haymon's match fixing . . whoops I mean matchmaking assistance).

Probably best to let Shane go anyway, after all some things you need to experience yourself to know they're real.

In one of my current roles I advise businesses on how/when to transform themselves. It never ceases to amaze me how often businesses will think, because it's their business and they operationally run it, they know project activity and transformations. 90% of the times they get it drastically wrong, and also both underestimate the complexity and at the same time dismiss risks.

The results are almost always catastrophic, costly and painful, and from this repetitious mess and endless lesson in human ego and nature I have arrived at a saying I authored that applies also to Shane's situation and the thousands of other fighters like him . . . . . .

Sometimes you need to feel the potholes under the wheels and the suspension jarring your back, before you realise and admit that the road taken is not quite as smooth/suitable as you first anticipated.

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Radam G:

"Radam..you nothin but a friscoe...Manny Kayos the Doctor in the first 30 seconds...mmnnnyyyyaa!"

Hehehehe! I know! Holla!

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Bernie Campbell:

Radam..you nothin but a friscoe...Manny Kayos the Doctor in the first 30 seconds...mmnnnyyyyaa!

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stormcentre:

"He is the one storm everybody loves to see coming!

Keep on stormin'!!!!!

-Randy G."


WTF !!

I gave up my porno career years ago.

Thunder down under and all that.

Still, on a more serious note, I'll keep putting it down good on the street and in this forum - if you do too, AND continue to be diligent in keeping James away from that confectionary table . . . .

That's hilarious.

Years ago, we had a friend called Bernie (top guy) but if he ever went out to pick up a group buy of chicken and chips or similar, once he got back, if you checked your dinner box, there was not only always some chips and a bit of chicken missing - but also the chips were all rearranged and strategically placed so as to conceal the crime and intrusion.

Your story of Toney reminds me of him.

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rdv_27:

Ahhhh Jack Johnson the guy who in a way got me into Jaaazz music and boxing. I wish they'd make more documentaries about other boxers like those they made about him.

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Radam G:

He got the Jeffries brothers petty good and whipped both of their arses, and they were not even cruel to him.

They were just used and hopes for racism. Nevertheless, traveling around the world and becoming fluent in five languages, maybe "Big Ole Smoke" was much more than an American hero, he was/is a world hero. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Right on, Storm. I'm new here myself, but already look forward to your posts. Keep it up, brother."

He is the one storm everybody loves to see coming!

Keep on stormin'!!!!!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Great piece commish.

As for the weight issues that we have been seeing a lot of and on a consistent basis, here is my suggestion.

Make the fighters really think about it before signing that contract and make it such that "buying" a weight advantage will hit them hard in the pocketbook.

How hard? I say 75% of the purse if they reach an agreement to move forward. The commissions need to be aligned on this of course but there is no fighter out there that wouldn't think twice about having 75% of their purse taken.

And where would that 75% go? I say 50% percent goes to the fighter hurt and 25% gets rebated back to the fans who bought tickets to the event but not getting all that they were paying for.

With such a high penalty, I think we would see fighters missing the contracted weight happen less often. This could lead to more cancellations (if a fighter is not looking good to make weight more mysterious injuries may appear) but would eliminate the issues with weight we are having now by not allowing fighters to buy weight advantages in the hope of furthering their careers with a big win with that advantage."


I like the thought.

Any other ideas?

It's ideas like this, when thrown around in state athletic commission boardrooms, get turned into rules and policy.

A chin shot is effective as are well-placed body shots.

But nothing hurts a fighter more than a hard, powerful shot to the wallet. When this happens, his whole team is punished. The less money he makes, the less their take is.

Start smacking their wallets and watch what happens on the day of a weigh-in: Everybody will make weight.

You can go to the bank with that!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Of course his race held him back. white America wasn't ready for an African-American heavyweight champion, especially one as brash, outspoken and controversial as Johnson.

I have been fortunate to have met so many incredible legends of this great sport. Jack Johnson is the one guy that, if I could go back in time to meet, I would.

If he were around today, he'd be another Muhammad Ali.

To the memory of Jack Johnson, I apologize for all the Kenesaw "Mountain" Landis', James Jeffries', Jim Crows' and all the other hate-filled Americans who did him wrong.

Jack Johnson was more than a boxing hero.

He was an American hero!

-Randy G.

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Pazuzu:

Right on, Storm. I'm new here myself, but already look forward to your posts. Keep it up, brother.

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amayseng:

"Agreed. The Russian is raw and I ain't even completely sold on his power. So I'm definitely leaning toward a Hopkins decision. Am excited, it'll be my first time in Atlantic City. Anyone else here attending the fight??? We must meet!"

I will be there.

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Radam G:

"Great article ! I live about an hours drive from where Tommy Burns came from, Burns was the first white champion to give a black boxer a shot at the title and after him no one gave a black boxer a shot at the title until James J. Braddock was beat by Joe Louis, and that includes Johnson ! I don't know why Johnson never defended his title against another black boxer, it would be interesting to hear some theories ! I should clarify I was talking about the heavyweight title, another Canadian, George Dixon, was the first black Champion before Johnson !"



Easy breezy WHY! MONEY!



After "Big Ole Smoke, " whup up on Tommy Boy, aka "Noah, "Unforgivable Blackness" announced that he was continuing the "drawing of the Color Line." And not fight any "Colored fighters," especially Sam Longford because he was "a foreigner" and "I won the title back for Americans."



Holla at some of Jack Johnson's own spoken words on YouTube. He was a paradox and an enigma. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Dudes record speaks for itself..Handled by his father the whole trip! Sometimes maybe a little too slow! First Arab-American Olympian that has competed this far into the zone! You dont think this man had opposition from his own countryman? The original "Ugly American" Displays a great talent for Boxing as well as power! eratic! His Uncle owns a deli on Richmond ave a couple of blocks away from where I live! Wonderment and a degree of pride come oozing out when we talk of his nephews sucsess! He has hit the big time! undefeated welterweight! If When How and Why! These answers should manifest about 11:00 pm Saturday! We push the clocks back that night! Or is it this weekend!"



Wow, B-Camp! You were spittin' real for a change. I knew that you can holla when you want to. Get down with it! With your bad self! SOLID! On a scale with 10 being the best, I give you a 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5KKUD_Yrs. Holla!

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Froggy:

"Um...what case?"



I think that David Philips was saying that yes, indeed Johnson had a hard time as a boxer and as a human being because of his color ! That was his case and he made his case very well !

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stormcentre:

I like Gabe too.

But - being critical at, and mindful of, top level boxing - I think Gabe has some issues that need addressing.

BS, you stole my thunder with Charlo there. Charlo is probably a good contender at this stage, and that fight between Charlo and Rosado showed where Gabe is at.

One one hand; Gabe is too musclebound and (as an amateur) inexperienced to be moved too fast in my opinion.

Then on the other hand; contrasting with that is his discipline, durability, willingness and mentality; that seems to say "let's do it now, I'll get paid to learn on the job".

It's an interesting, if not unique, pugilistic experiment, as the latter often constitutes essential qualities some really skilled boxers can't access - whilst the former (and all I infer with it) is almost absolutely essential if you are to make it to the top, stay there for a while and retire with all your faculties in tact- unless, of course, you're B-Hop - who seems to be Gabe's idol and mentor.

Gabe's win over Vera in that "fight" was good for him, and I think that explains where he's at right now.

Rosado is a very tough "fighter" learning on the job.

However, when he runs into a very tough boxer that can also fight; unless he has made up for the above-mentioned deficits, I fear he will be seriously busted up.

Very few tough "fighters" make it to the top and stay there long enough to make it worthwhile without a decent amateur background and/or defence.

Especially in the middleweights where you can run into guys that hit has hard as heavyweights and almost as fast as welterweights.

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Bernie Campbell:

Dudes record speaks for itself..Handled by his father the whole trip! Sometimes maybe a little too slow! First Arab-American Olympian that has competed this far into the zone! You dont think this man had opposition from his own countryman? The original "Ugly American" Displays a great talent for Boxing as well as power! eratic! His Uncle owns a deli on Richmond ave a couple of blocks away from where I live! Wonderment and a degree of pride come oozing out when we talk of his nephews sucsess! He has hit the big time! undefeated welterweight! If When How and Why! These answers should manifest about 11:00 pm Saturday! We push the clocks back that night! Or is it this weekend!

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