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deepwater2:

"I am tired of Floyd's elusive style of fighting.His father's technique of "to try to hit and not get hit,"doesn't work for me. It seems cowardly. I had never seen Floyd fight toe to toe with anyone except with Maidana in his last bout. It was a close fight. So l ordered the PPV hoping to see Maidana finish the job. I guess Floyd didn't want to engage in a slugest so he resorted back to his old antics of avoiding getting hit, running and ducking.That is not boxing and people praise him for that "skill".If he would exert regular boxing skills and techniques in a bout, and maybe even duke it out like a man, l may even have a little respect for him as fighter."

Your not the only one. Good post. Keep the posts coming. Better fights are on the way.

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deepwater2:

Schaefer was a matchmaker at GBP? Or was tsAH the matchmaker behind the scenes? The Swiss banker is hopefully out of boxing until 2018. Oscar has his hands tied while dealing with all of the boxers the Swiss banker never bothered to sign to a GBP contract. Hopefully Bert Fields gets a chance at RS during the lawsuit. I wonder how many gold bars RS will have to pay Oscar to let him out of the contract? Or better yet, how many boxers will Al Haymon allow to sign GBP contracts in order to free RS?

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The Shadow:

"Didn't order the card, although almost caved in and did it at around 9:15 with a couple pops in me. The clincher was the putrid undercard, as well as college football diverting my attention. It was so appalling that it saved me $77 on my Verizon FIOS bill. Appreciated reading the updates here from Brownsugar; was jockeying between that and the espn twitter feed they have rolling there. I'm completely uninterested in the business side of boxing (I couldn't care less about a promoter's take or his great matchmaking skills in duping the public, etc), but have always wondered, as a guy who bought scores of PPV's in the 90's that were replete with meaningful fights from top to bottom, why they've discarded that paradigm. Let's say you're a non-TSS reader, an 'average' boxing fan, one who probably can't spell Golovkin but knows of Mayweather and Pacquiao. And let's say he shells out $77 on this thing. Wouldn't it make more sense to put together a compelling and competitive undercard, given the high profile nature of the night, and because you've got all these fringe consumers as a captive audience who will use this event as a barometer for buying future PPV's?

If I'm a car salesman, and I'm trying to sell a guy a car, do I put the guy in a lemon for his test drive? These cards are lemons, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I understand that we'll never again see RJJ - Hopkins on an undercard (that was on regular HBO anyway), but last night was laughable. I'm hoping the card bombed, as that's the only way things will change, although I'm not holding my breath."


Pray for Richard Schaefer's return. Just look at the cards BR -- Before Richard -- and post-Schaefer.

It speaks VOLUMES.

Loud and clear.

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The Shadow:

"I am tired of Floyd's elusive style of fighting.His father's technique of "to try to hit and not get hit,"doesn't work for me. It seems cowardly. I had never seen Floyd fight toe to toe with anyone except with Maidana in his last bout. It was a close fight. So l ordered the PPV hoping to see Maidana finish the job. I guess Floyd didn't want to engage in a slugest so he resorted back to his old antics of avoiding getting hit, running and ducking.That is not boxing and people praise him for that "skill".If he would exert regular boxing skills and techniques in a bout, and maybe even duke it out like a man, l may even have a little respect for him as fighter."

Denise, he's 37-years-old, on the way out of boxing. While we may crave blood and guts, brain damage is irreversible. (I know firsthand.)

So I don't fault him even the slightest bit.

It's up to the consumer not to consume if he or she is unhappy with his brand of entertainment.

He doesn't owe anybody anything. And I don't think it's right to demand that fighters go toe-to-toe.
If you "duke it out like a man," when it's not necessary to do so, you are playing with fire.

And not just in a sporting sense but with your health. Boxing is dangerous. It's not cowardly; that's a terribly ignorant position to have.

Because like Floyd, Hopkins, Ward and others point out, if you do that too much, you end up damaged for good.

Meanwhile, the fans just move on to the next guy while feeling sad for the brain damaged, broken down, destitute fighter -- which is almost more the norm than the exception.

Every fighter deserves respect but Mayweather as a fighter-- by virtue of everything -- deserves more than most.

If you do crave Floyd Mayweather slugfests, there are many to choose from. I've pasted a few here for you to enjoy.

Vs. Jesus Chavez, fought in a similar style to the way he fought Maidana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2P6QkYr2VA

His fight vs. former champ Demarcus Corley produced plenty of fireworks. This underrated slugfest took place in his first match at 140 pounds. Facing a quick, elusive southpaw, Mayweather was stunned by a hard, flush shot, grew fangs and a tail like a dragon.

He then proceeded to pummel the living daylights out of Corley, knocking him up and down like a yo-yo.

In fact, this is a match-up many have claimed was a tough fight for Mayweather (lol) while proving Mayweather's supposed struggle with this stance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_fjgBy85oc

Vs. Emanuel Burton, his toughest fight of his career: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WSB0NW_pI

Vs. Philip N'Dou, who came into the ring with something like 31 KOs in 32 victories and no defeats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCrJy6I4WY

And while not a slugfest, this was a classic beatdown against Arturo Gatti in a breakout PPV performance (Take notes, Erislandy Lara): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMQRmjVjomQ

Then there's the underrated action-fight vs. Miguel Cotto, which actually landed him on Jim Lampley's "Gatti List" for most exciting fighters/fights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJPaDjapV5Q

There's plenty of material to choose from -- and far more than just one fight.

But if that's not enough then I guess what you really want is to see Mayweather beaten up. In that case, there's not much I can do for you. :)

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flackoguapo:

didn't order the card, although almost caved in and did it at around 9:15 with a couple pops in me. The clincher was the putrid undercard, as well as college football diverting my attention. It was so appalling that it saved me $77 on my verizon fios bill. Appreciated reading the updates here from brownsugar; was jockeying between that and the espn twitter feed they have rolling there. I'm completely uninterested in the business side of boxing (i couldn't care less about a promoter's take or his great matchmaking skills in duping the public, etc), but have always wondered, as a guy who bought scores of ppv's in the 90's that were replete with meaningful fights from top to bottom, why they've discarded that paradigm. Let's say you're a non-tss reader, an 'average' boxing fan, one who probably can't spell golovkin but knows of mayweather and pacquiao. And let's say he shells out $77 on this thing. Wouldn't it make more sense to put together a compelling and competitive undercard, given the high profile nature of the night, and because you've got all these fringe consumers as a captive audience who will use this event as a barometer for buying future ppv's?



If i'm a car salesman, and i'm trying to sell a guy a car, do i put the guy in a lemon for his test drive? These cards are lemons, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I understand that we'll never again see rjj - hopkins on an undercard (that was on regular hbo anyway), but last night was laughable. I'm hoping the card bombed, as that's the only way things will change, although i'm not holding my breath.



preach!!!!

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Denise Alvarez:

I am tired of Floyd's elusive style of fighting.His father's technique of "to try to hit and not get hit,"doesn't work for me. It seems cowardly. I had never seen Floyd fight toe to toe with anyone except with Maidana in his last bout. It was a close fight. So l ordered the PPV hoping to see Maidana finish the job. I guess Floyd didn't want to engage in a slugest so he resorted back to his old antics of avoiding getting hit, running and ducking.That is not boxing and people praise him for that "skill".If he would exert regular boxing skills and techniques in a bout, and maybe even duke it out like a man, l may even have a little respect for him as fighter.

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amayseng:

The fact that he clinched so much and so often is telling in itself.

Pac would beat Mayweather up badly.

Floyd does such a good job of rolling landed punches he makes you think they barely missed when in fact they landed.

Look at Floyds face after this fight, it looks like he got jumped and I only recall Chino landing just a few punches on his mug.....

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stormcentre:

Pacquiao V Maidana then would throw the cat amongst the pidgeons for many reasons.

Particularly if Pacman blows Marcus out.

Have a clause in the contract that allows (even insists) each competitor can juice all they can get their hands on.

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amayseng:

"When it's all said and done, based on what he's done in the ring, Floyd has to be mentioned as an All Time Great...





Defensively he's one of the best ever, and in 47 fights against professional fighters can you name 10 times when you felt he was in trouble????



And people talk about him fighting guys outta their prime, when exactly was Floyd in his "Prime" he's been years older than guys and still beat them 10-2, 9-3, 11-1.





He's beat South Paws, Big Punchers, guys who out weigh him by 10-20 mores on fight night but because it's Floyd he gets constant backlash"




chop chop had him in trouble twice I believe.



shane had him hurt twice.



zab stung him a few times and knocked him down.



he took a knee against jlc.



chino had him hurt in fight one



chino landed a hard right hand to end round 4 i believe that staggered him to the ropes..





Floyd is a great defensive fighter for sure, but he has been hurt a few times. no shame in it it is part of the game.





Floyd however is not a top 25 ATG. part of it is his fault and part of it his era.





too many fighters from the past have better resumes and proved more.

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the Roast:

Today is the 14th. Score tomorrow and put up winners Tuesday. It's science.

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Domenic:

A Robert Curtis sighting is precious metal stuff! Worthy of a 'Toonoy.'

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brownsugar:

"Hey man, it must be hard to see your favorite coming to an end but at least you recognize it and see reality. Floyd had a great run. One of the best but not tbe. It was fun while it lasted.

I had all my chips on Edwin Valero at one point."


Floyd had enough physically to get by.... But he was having some serious issues. Throwing punches and pulling back and inch too soon.
His feet not coordinated with his hands.
He also got caught with the same punch that put Pac too sleep... Only Marcos didn't put everything on it.
Reaching out from long range to clinch.
He definitely didn't look like he was having fun.
And a host of other tiny little things
Not noticeable unless you've seen a lot of Floyds fights.
Still he outclassed MM.
But he seems more vulnerable than ever.
Athletes come and go
Its the natural progression of the sportsman's life.
Someone else comes to fill the void.
I'll survive and so will boxing.

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Robert Curtis:

75 bucks is too much for PPV. Unless I'm hosting a large party, this is a criminal abuse of the boxing fan's pocket book.

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DaveB:

If Maidana bit Floyd, Floyd deserved it. Floyd is a dirty fighter. At least Hopkins admits he will do what he can get away with. Floyd tries to make you believe he is on the up and up while doing his dirty tactics. He is an enigma. I counted the number of clinches in round 9. There were 10. And I think that round was representative of the whole fight. Like many have said Bayless was anticipating those clinches before they ever happened while the fighters were still punching and then after they were still able to punch their way out of it. I thought his officiating was horrible last night. Maidana doesn't have the best jab in the world and I do give Floyd credit for using his legs and not getting caught on the ropes. His hands are fast and he counters well. He miscalculated some and got caught a few times especially at the end of the third round. Maidana is terrible at cutting off the ring. It will take a good fundamental fighter to beat Floyd but Floyd's window is starting to close some. But if he chooses the right guys to fight he will go back to looking good. One last thing, I think Robert Garcia and Virgil Hunter are both way overrated as trainers and strategists. They are more like father figures.

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The Commish:

"For me question has become who is better GGG or Rigondeaux? I can see both winning the fight. In my book they scrap it out for the top spot."


That's great, but give us your 1-10!

-Randy G.

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SouthPawFlo:

When it's all said and done, based on what he's done in the ring, Floyd has to be mentioned as an All Time Great...





Defensively he's one of the best ever, and in 47 fights against professional fighters can you name 10 times when you felt he was in trouble????



And people talk about him fighting guys outta their prime, when exactly was Floyd in his "Prime" he's been years older than guys and still beat them 10-2, 9-3, 11-1.





He's beat South Paws, Big Punchers, guys who out weigh him by 10-20 mores on fight night but because it's Floyd he gets constant backlash

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SouthPawFlo:

I'll love to see a Cotto Rematch, Cotto gave him a good fight the first time and Freddie Roach in his corner will only make him better, that would be a PPV Blockbuster...







Keith Thurman isn't a big enough name yet and he doesn't have a "signature win" against a top welter weight yet and he doesn't have a big fan following either....





Amir Khan speed will give the old man some trouble in my opinion so I'll be happy to see that one, he needs to look stellar against someone in NOV-Dec first





Manny P. Will obviously be the biggest fight that can be made, but we gotta see how well he does in his fight against Chris Al, I think if manny looks impressive and KO's him the world will demand a Mayweather fight.





Danny G, Holla when he's a welterweight first.

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Skibbz:

For me question has become who is better GGG or Rigondeaux? I can see both winning the fight. In my book they scrap it out for the top spot.

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amayseng:

"I hear Amir Khan or Miguel Cotto. One of those two. But too soon to tell."

It will be Cotto in May for the mw title..

Cotto is off the rest of the year and Floyd will be taking a break until May.


Cotto being trained by Roach and Floyd going for the mw title will help hype and sell the card.

There is no one else to sell for showtime to make enough to pay floyd, unless he fights Pac

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amayseng:

"The point I'm trying to make is love him or hate him, Floyd is a Special Talent and if you judge him by what's he's done in the ring he's gotta be considered one of the best boxers of the last 25-30 years, if not of all time....



Nobody has been this good for this long....."


He is definitely a phenom. And I honestly due enjoy his style to an extent.

Just dont insult me with a 75$ fee to watch him pot shot and bicycle to an easy victory, on a poor card.


Having said that, he still found his way out of a few prime fighters, and to be calling himself the best ever is an insult to the true ATG's.

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amayseng:

"Replace Jones with Hopkins. Jones peaked at 34 and never again looked the same.

Also put Ali in there! Though he was faded he still beat top guys at 35 including Ernie Shavers."


didnt Jones beat Tarver at 35 just coming down from winning the hw title?


OF course Ali, among many many others.

that was off the top of my head

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SouthPawFlo:

The point I'm trying to make is love him or hate him, Floyd is a Special Talent and if you judge him by what's he's done in the ring he's gotta be considered one of the best boxers of the last 25-30 years, if not of all time....







Nobody has been this good for this long.....

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Froggy:

"Replace Jones with Hopkins. Jones peaked at 34 and never again looked the same.

Also put Ali in there! Though he was faded he still beat top guys at 35 including Ernie Shavers."


If we are going back more than 25 years, many would say Archie Moore should be at the top of the list ! I think there are probably 1 or 2 dozen more !

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The Shadow:

LOL what the heck?!



Anyway, since the issue of domestic violence was hot and heavy, guys, check out this article.



This dude had this woman calling the cops with all kinds of allegations against the boyfriend and they were going to take him in.



Pleading with the police, the guy maintained that the woman was full of sh*t. That she would beat herself and claim he did it.



So they told him to get evidence or else.



One time they're driving in the car and she's bitching about something. Dude is trying to get out of the situation.



"Stop it!" he yells. "You're NOT spending the night with me!"



The wretched woman tries to FRAME him by jumping out of the moving car.



She then goes, "Why did you push me out?"



This is the footage. Check this out. Women can be EVIL!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NceCt-E1EIU



After seeing the evidence, police dropped the claims.



Here's the full article. See for yourself. http://elitedaily.com/news/world/girl-jumps-moving-car-frames-boyfriend/722512/

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The Shadow:

"Calzaghe
Jones jr
Wlad
Vitali
Holyfield
JMM
Tarver
Toney
Sergio Martinez
Duran
SRL


just to name a few"


Replace Jones with Hopkins. Jones peaked at 34 and never again looked the same.

Also put Ali in there! Though he was faded he still beat top guys at 35 including Ernie Shavers.

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The Shadow:

"That's the million dollar question, or is 32 million !? Does he take the easiest road possible to tie Marciano's record or does he fight who the boxing fans want him to fight, and Showtime wants him to fight even more just to break even ?"

I hear Amir Khan or Miguel Cotto. One of those two. But too soon to tell.

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SouthPawFlo:

That's a pretty good list, some of the best fighters of the last 25 years are there....





That's pretty good company to be in....

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amayseng:

"Other than Floyd (and maybe The Alien B-Hop) what other fighters were able to perform at a high level fighting twice a year against Top Tier Opponents past the age of 35?????"

Calzaghe
Jones jr
Wlad
Vitali
Holyfield
JMM
Tarver
Toney
Sergio Martinez
Duran
SRL


just to name a few

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Froggy:

"Who's Next????"

That's the million dollar question, or is 32 million !? Does he take the easiest road possible to tie Marciano's record or does he fight who the boxing fans want him to fight, and Showtime wants him to fight even more just to break even ?

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SouthPawFlo:

Other than Floyd (and maybe The Alien B-Hop) what other fighters were able to perform at a high level fighting twice a year against Top Tier Opponents past the age of 35?????

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