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stormcentre:

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Our man Lance allegedly tested positive for it in '99 but it was swept under the rug, much like they said they did with a Carl Lewis test in '88 or around that time.



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Hmmmm . .



Where was USADA when you (Lance) needed them?



Oh yes that's right - USADA where there, testing, and they came up with naught.



Armstrong simply used hypoxic chambers to fool the body into naturally producing EPO (to mask any synthetic form of it); oxygen molecules are oxygen molecules regardless of whether they're produced by the body or any other means.



And USADA's tests only (then and probably still now) only tested for a ratio of EPO that itself simply took EPO samples from;



a) Areas of the body called basic regions (where synthetic EPO was usually administered in conflict with most sporting body's policies), and then compared/referenced them to;



b) EPO from what is commonly referred to as the acidic region of the body; which is where EPO is naturally produced in the body - such as where natural EPO is produced enabling more erythrocytes (red blood cells) to be produced within the body; which can be within the body's bone marrow.





However, from my post here . . . .



http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436



It is clear that EPO is produced naturally in the body.



For those interested please remember . . . .



In the same abovementioned post I refer to a popular method of blood doping, called Endogenous Erythrocyte Production Stimulation.



EEPS blood doping is essentially the outcome of a biological process referred to as Erythropoiesis, that is itself normally regulated by tissue oxygenation within the human body.



When hypoxia (a condition in which the body or a region of the body, such as the tissues within muscles, is deprived of an adequate oxygen supply; such as when you train or even sleep at altitude) occurs, sensors within the kidneys are triggered that in turn lead to increased natural production of the hormone erythropoietin, or EPO.



As soon as scientists and particularly chemists (of all kinds, including the backyard type) realized that the body had a natural way to combat the lack of oxygen at altitude, that, when applied to sea (and not high) level altitudes, if this form of combat or assistance had not disappeared all together and remained at ground level (which it does); it would be a significant advantage to sports - they seized upon it.



Since the abovementioned USADA synthetic EPO tests relied on a ratio of EPO collected from where USADA believed to be sites within the body that served as a good representation of where both synthetic and natural EPO exist (which is as laughable as believing that the analgesic capabilities of an aspirin somehow only goes to the part of your body in pain), all Lance Armstrong (and his well paid Doctor) allegedly had to do was simply increase his body's reference EPO site (that/where USADA believed only natural EPO existed and therefore used as their reference for their synthetic EPO tests) referred to as the acidic region of Lance's body.



Once that was done Armstrong's natural EPO was as high as the synthetic EPO, and then the ratio comes out as you want because 5/15 = 500/1500.



USADA didn't care that both individual readings (the numerator and denominator) where sky high.



Which in my view is as good as turning a blind eye and/or having the ability to both not ruffle feathers of those in cycling that wrote the big cheques, whilst also being able to say "hey we test for non-natural EPO".



The result was that everybody was happy and everybody made money, and not too many appeared to care about the real issue USADA where paid and tasked with.



Now that doesn't sound familiar to USADA in boxing does it? :)



To me, this was like finding out the manager of your big-ish or light heavyweight-ish looking boxing opponent for your upcoming middleweight bout had his foot under the scales during the weigh in; which the astute boxing readers here will know certainly has happened.



So, by Armstrong basically inducing hypoxia and erythropoiesis in a legal and accepted manner he then elevated his erythrocyte (that is basically the same as red blood cells) levels - which in turn elevated his the levels of hemoglobin molecules, importantly including those he had in the acidic regions of his body where the reference point for the above-mentioned USADA test was.



In doing so not only did he beat the (shamefully laughable) tests but he also ensured there was a significant increase in natural EPO in his body.



This cleverly served many aspects of his game, including getting him ready for the next day's cycling both physically and excuse-wise, and to also offset the diminishing half life of all the synthetic EPO in his system that USADA were clearly not interested in because they only drew suspicion from the ratio; not, laughably, the massive denominators and numerators that were orders above what would normally be found.



This is like knowing that a natural EPO count never goes over, say for the purpose of this discussion; 300. And also acknowledging that both;



a) The sole outcome of any negative synthetic EPO test must be 1.



b) Typical negative synthetic EPO tests return between 5/15 to 50/150 (just for purposes of this discussion); but then not being suspicious with a 500/1500 result because it still returns a 1 from a ratios perspective.



Good stuff eh USADA?



The above method Armstrong used to beat the USADA EPO test is commonly referred to as hypoxia induced erythropoiesis and that same legal method and advantage of elevating one's endurance will be brought to town hard in 3G's fight with Geale this weekend.



To make (USADA) matters even more laughable they, of course, also had no explicit policy that prevented athletes to be tested for synthetic EPO from performing any action that would induce erythropoiesis; whether it be by hypoxia or some other method.



Brilliant stuff isn't it?



Talk about leaving a backdoor open for the top athletes than can afford day to day professional advice and/or chemist's assistance.



So basically if you're powerful, famous and wealthy enough there are 2 rules for you, and everybody else plays by 1 - just as all else get to go home a winner; all whilst the public thinks all is good and well in the land of sporting utopia.



This is, no doubt, why Armstrong became so cocky; as it surely must have become clear to him (because it was to me 10 years ago) that the USADA synthetic EPO tests were designed for more than one purpose or agenda - almost to the same extent that they were easily passed by a guy who won the tour de France (is there a sport that is more endurance dominated) 7 times whilst not only sky high on HGH and EPO of any kind - but also possessing the ability to say "I have not tested positive for any (USADA) test".



And to make matters more laughable, naturally USADA also had no effective policy that tested for HGH or testosterone either, and this went on from about 97 through to 2006.



HGH and testosterone had been in sports a little before 97.



You can just imagine Armstrong - during or after USADA synthetic EPO tests - upon being asked why his red blood cells (or erythrocytes), hemoglobin molecule, or EPO count; was unusually high - if indeed any USADA staffer actually dared . . . .



Only to hear Armstrong (predictably) say "well I get some of my performance from high altitude training - I make no secret of that".



From there the USADA employee would most likely consider their career and family before publishing even a watered down acknowledgement that Armstrong or anyone engaging in such "legal and accepted training" - as hypoxia induced erythropoiesis - would easily defeat their synthetic EPO tests - as much as it would allow them (or anyone that USADA suspected of beating the tests by hypoxia induced erythropoiesis) to simply say "my understanding is that my USADA synthetic EPO (ratio) test turned out a negative and that all I am doing is simulating training at altitude".



From there perhaps a speech could be written . . .



"I would like to thank USADA for assisting me to take part in the fight against performance enhancing drugs in this wonderful sport of ours and to also allow me to categorically substantiate that I am indeed a clean athlete".



Game over and everybody gets to go home a winner.



And . . . it's not like it hasn't happened; for 7 years; on USADA's watch.



Remember how I usually use automotive analogies?



Well where do you think supercharging (the practice of fitting an air pump to an internal combustion engine) came from?



The aviation industry, the war, and the need to get out of harm's way at high altitude.



It didn't take long to work out that shoving more in the motor and increasing the barometric pressure when, altitude-wise, it was not needed; was a great way to enhance performance of cars.



In fact some of the first the supercharger equipped planes required less runway to clear the earth and become airborne; which was a dead giveaway of where the popular aftermarket for automobiles and internal combustion engines was heading.



Now in boxing, we are also in a war of sorts.



I know most of you are not, but let's not fool ourselves that anyone in this great sport - and it is great - particularly those at the top - is not juicing.



Once we do that, in my humble opinion, we cease to become knowledgeable boxing purists and gravitate towards a USADA like mentality.



My take on it all is that it doesn't detract from the spectacle and sensation that is boxing, as boxing has always been entertaining for many reasons including the fact that it is a sport that mixes the good with the bad, sometimes so well it makes you question which is which and why you found what is referred to as bad, really good.



Theatre of life as they say and the things that make you go hmmmmn.



:)

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Grimm:

Totally agree on Duran. If I ever was cornered in a bad street anywhere in the world by a bunch of hoodlums, and had to pick one boxer thru history to stand by my side - or rather, in front of me, hehe - it would probably be Duran. His looks alone would probably have given them second thoughts.

Divisionwise, I consider middleweight to be the premier division - sometimes challenged by welterweight - with its perfect blend of skill, size, power, speed and, normally, great pool of talent. But granted, some fights down at lw are truly special, spectacular and explosive (as well as in the even lighter divisions). Above middleweight, it takes extraordinary fighters to capture my interest. Heavyweights make me sleepy - both their talk, their walk and their zombiestyle of fighting.

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Radam G:

What Mother Nature has given is BEST. And you use it if you want the ultimate conquest. New age Drago jive should be kept on the Big screens. Because every single time that monkey jive, old skool creams.



You can't fool Mother Nature. First, treadmill running doesn't give you the particles of dust, grass, wind and the smell and shine of the moon and sun that you breathe in from running outside. Some of you will say: how in the hell came you smell the moon and the sun? That is something that you have never been taught.



But those who know know. And your body knows and will suck that smell and shine of the sun and moon like a crying, hungry baby goes after his mother's nipples. Oh, YUP! Your bodee yearns that sun and moon and all of Mother Nature while you are inside 24/7/365 New Jacking and weak attacking and new-age Drago inside training on hyped-up machines with small manmade benefits.



So you will never know until you know. But inside on the treadmill doesn't build your immunities. But outside running does. Because like I said, you breathe in particles of this and that -- making your immune system ironside tough against germs and viruses and bacteria that you can pick from a crowd of indoor people with tons of this and that illnesses and rashes.



You get more benefits from climbing up and up and down a tree than you get from going up and down a rope in the New Jack air condition gyms. Beside, gym air condition messes up your cooling system. Cool your by bleeding sweat, not by toxic air coming out of an air condition.



I can go on forever, but y'all get my point. Hopefully! Holla!

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stormcentre:

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"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast – they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

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And those oxygen carriers mentioned in Shadow’s quoted article are exactly what I mentioned here (whether they're called something else or not). .

http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing

Where I talk of PFCs.

PFCs are different to hemoglobin (which are the body’s natural molecularly sized carriages that not only allow oxygen to attach to them - but also transports that oxygen through to tissues and muscles; to offset and/or prevent the conversion of pyruvic acid to lactic acid; which delays fatigue) because their ability - “the exchange carriage” I mentioned in my above-mentioned link/post - to not only carry more oxygen - but also extract more carbon dioxide; than hemoglobin alone can.

When the blood passes through the lungs, the abovementioned oxygen molecules then have the opportunity to attach to the hemoglobin when blood traverses through the body's lung tissues, and as that happens the hemoglobin then releases oxygen into the cells.

PFCs and similarly performing AOCPES’s travel through the body’s lung tissues and capture and release gases at a far greater rate than hemoglobin, because they dissolve and (later) release the oxygen via a process referred to as diffusion; which itself has an efficiency or ability to transfer oxygen far, far better than the 4 molecules-at-a-time hemoglobin can.

Dissolving oxygen like this (particularly in tandem to the way the hemoglobin works; remember the hemoglobin is still there in the red blood - it’s why the blood looks red) allows PFC’s to exchange gases, such as oxygen and carbon dioxide - which are both critical to cardiovascular dominated sports performances - far more rapidly and far more efficiently than the hemoglobin molecule can alone.

I think I also mention the ability to mix and match PES in my abovementioned post/link, and from that and Shadow's post you can also see that the author of the article Shadow quotes is referring to a mixture of EPO and the abovementioned AOCPES I mention.

The issue of PES, particularly AOCPES's, is here to stay my friends - because (whether anyone likes it or not) it works.

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stormcentre:

"I think what you say there is why there really is no suspicion of Mayweather. I noticed that when he fought the Ghost that he was noticeably slower and not quite as crisp. The thing is though that when Floyd slows down, he is declining from a talent and skill level so far above everyone else's, that you almost miss it.



As far as him knocking out fighters earlier in his career, Floyd contrary to popular belief use to beat people to a pulp. However, he realized that to KO people he had to sit down and leave himself open to be countered. His style switched to a more protective style which has preserved him through the years. Up until the Maidana fight, you can make the argument that Floyd had been in only one real high pressure scrap in his entire career against Castillo. Cotto and De La Hoya were tough fights but neither would I classify as brawls that really take something out of guys.



I think people also miss out on the fact that being a KO artist takes something out of the guy throwing the bombs too. The amount of torque put on the shoulders, hips, calves, and feet to throw cinder block like punches is tremendous. You often hear of the hard hitting guys needing surgeries on their shoulders and knees late in their career because they have put so much pressure on them for so many years. Floyd has avoided that path as well."




Very good points.



Floyd knows that shoot-outs are where you get tagged and lose (no matter how good you are), and if you can shut the other guy out then - provided you're already a proven and high commodity on boxing's promotional and PPV share-market - there is no need to take this risk.



Prior to Henry Bruseles (which was a matchmaker's dream for Floyd just as much as a walk in the park, ultimately setting up what is probably Floyd's most masterful display; the destruction of Gatti); there was a need to blow guy's out - as Floyd had not reached the stage where he was huge and could call the shots.



That happened in 2007 when Floyd showed how no contractual or other advantages would change the outcome when he was faced with a predominantly Mexican styled fighter.

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stormcentre:

"I can't believe everyone except Deep and myself have overlooked Conte's mustache....




On a serious note I get what RG is saying, PEDS dont give you skill....


However, look at a fighter like Margarito--slow feet, slow hands, plodding no agility, low skill, poor coordination, the guy is BELOW average as an athlete, but look at his style of fighting. His ability to throw 100 punches per round with a granite beard allowed him to have himself a very productive and successful career. I am not saying he used peds, but anything like epo could help a fighter of his poor skill level."


PEDs give you the ability to perform and learn when you're fatigued.

I am not saying they will teach you the tricks of the trade - but they (of correct design) certainly won't impede you either.

Think about how neuromuscular programming works, why would you not be able to neuromuscularly program your body in extreme circumstances with AOCPES in ways that were not normally possible due to fatigue?

Happy to hear from anyone on how I have that one wrong.

This is a very complex and interesting subject that will go away about as fast as ecstasy will disappear from the UK (or any other part of the world) trance and progressive house club scene.

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stormcentre:

"Floyd was complaining about his injuries and brittle hands before 2007 and said the end of his career was near. It is now over 7 years later and he is still here. Does he get tested randomly during the year? Does he still take pain killer injections in his hands, (which is illegal in many states)? Is he a candidate for testosterone replacement therapy? His security team is juiced to the gills. His stable of fighters at his gym get caught numerous times. If Floyd can ask questions about other fighters he should have no problem with people asking him these questions."



Good insightful points.



There are usually only 3 forms of power a guy in this world can have (wealth {or money}, physical strengths like boxing {or a MMA fighter and/or weightlifter} and the mind {the capacity to think, accumulate/retrieve information and be smart}).



Most forms of male related power subscribe to this and/or are subsets of it.



Even though he is no dummy in the ring; the debate will probably always be out on number 3 for money May, but the first two ensures different rules apply.



Mayweather, easily, has the power to ensure - should he wish - new forms of undetectable performance enhancing substances (PES) are designed and used.



Given that winning and his unbeaten record (in one of the most grueling, financially rewarding, and competitive sports on the earth) is clearly the most important thing to him, and (as RS states) he is not only;



a) Surrounded by security that are obviously connected and juiced to the max.



b) Surrounded by some boxing participants that are obviously not strangers to PES.



If not recently, then how long ago does anyone here think it was before the above-mentioned, purposely designed, and/or other PES, I have mentioned in elsewhere posts on this site were offered to MM, if not suggested by other members of his team?



Hell, he wouldn't even have to ask or look, as the guy would be an extremely sought after client by most clandestine chemists, and I have a real hard time thinking that his security staff would be clueless as to who to call for anything of this nature - including the purpose designed stuff.

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Steve V.:

Randy, I have been following you since the days of Ring Magazine. I still have old VHS tapes of fights that you called. I even tried to sell a boxing short story to you when you were the Ring editor. I respect your knowledge and your opinions. But . . . there's no way in heck that Chris Algieri came close to beating Provodnikov, and if he even gets one judge's vote over Pacquiao, I'll . . . well, I'll say I was wrong. Buster Douglas had evident power in his fists when going in against Tyson. Algieri punches half as hard as Little Prince George on his first birthday. Yes, Escalera "beating" Everett was all manner of ridiculous -- I have that one recorded, too; remember how "Flash" Gordon went nuclear over it? --, but to my eye, Algieri's "victory" wasn't much better. The Local Kid lucked up, and now he gets his million bucks for taking yet another thumping, one that his New York judge buddies won't be able to manipulate. Or, at least that's the way it looks from this corner. Steve V.

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Radam G:

No way! No how! Can or will I accept the Commish's poison. There are indeed preordained fixed fights in boxing. And the Lara-Alvarez Bout was one. And scoring ain't hard in a bout like Lara-Alvarez, Algieri-Provodnikov, Alvarez-Trout and Pacquiao-Bradley I. And if it is: Teddy Atlas already gave the answer for that one. "Teach da d@mn judges. And get rid of those who are constantly doing badly...."



There are home-cooking decisions in boxing. And the Algieri-Provodnikov was one. There are jingoistic, political, nationalistic decisions in boxing. And the Pacquiao-Bradley Bout I was one. And the Algieri-Provodnikov was another one.



The game is seedy, shady, sneaky and sleazy. And you have a lot of cliques that go alongs to get along. They stand for anything, so they fall for everything and don't make waves. And the game is so full of squirrels and weasels. WTF!



Let's call a spade a spade, and not hide in the shade. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"I give Fury all the credit in the world for signing to face Alexander Ustinov. Check him out on youtube. Either Fury is extremely confident of the progress he says he has made or he is totally insane and out of control for picking Ustinov, but pick him he has.



Way to go, Tyson!



-Randy G."




Looks like Bernie got his wish! Ustinov! Who's next? Ibragimov! Julius Long! He about Tye Fields? Or even his distant cousin Evan, an other heavyweight crusader!

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dino da vinci:

There's a new piece of equipment that works the same muscle groups without the risk of decapitating a stablemate. I'll try to get a photo.

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SamuraiSam:

"How could you not like this fight. Did you like Provodnikov v Mike Alvarado? You certainly did. Well, this will be even better...even more fast-paced...even more exciting.

Rios has said he hates it when guys keep moving and running against him. Provodnikov said he cannot stand guys who refuse to engage. In that case, Rios and Provodnikov may fall in love the night they fight.

Rios is gonna' come forward. Provodnikov is gonna' come forward

Then...

Bring it on!

-Randy G."


Oh yeah, baby...like Rios previously said about his enjoyment of fighting, he's in for multiple ORGASMS! LOL

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amayseng:

Rios will never be the same if he fights The Russian.

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SamuraiSam:

"Yep Ali can been seen chopping wood in several videos...including his biographical DVD's.
Good for developing torque when turning you upper body into a punch.

I don't know if Kelly Pavlik invented it... But he ushered in the sledge-hammer monster tire work out. It became sort of a fad for a while. Berto, and Paul Williams were just a few of the early adopters.
Any number of rising contenders could be seen flipping, hammering, and rolling those humongous tires up stairwells.
Didn't help Paul W. against S. Martinez... but he did look formidable in training camp.

I'm almost disappointed the monster tire-workout DVD didn't get released.

Now they've adopted shaking those thick ropes used to tie Freightliner's to the pier.(mooring lines)
And have resorted to pushing pickup trucks over rough terrain. ( that's actually a work out l used when I first tried my hand at boxing, ...made me feel like a juggernaut )

And who can forget Hagler holding hand weights and shadowboxing chin deep in a swimming pool?

The things fighters do to be the best."


I give up trying to find the original footage of Margarito lumberjacking at the beach. Instead, the following vid, which more readily showed up with the keywords "Margarito 24/7" in the YouTube search, has the relevant scene although it's only briefly used, and in a more amusing context than seen in the original 24/7. I thought it was a well made, funny parody. So, just for sh1ts & giggles, you can see woodchopper Margarito at the 01:56 mark of the following vid:
Pacquiao vs Margarito Before & After The Fight 24-7 Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hncqSUMZWFg

Regarding the bold part of your comment, that makes a lot of sense for the development of upper body torque if the woodchopper was swinging the axe laterally like he is felling a vertically standing tree. So, is Margarito wasting time swinging overhead & downward at a horizontal log? Or maybe he was training to rain down overhand punches onto the "midget" (as Floyd calls him) Pacman? LOL

Does anyone have any theories on whether old school, improvised training methods build a fighter differently/better from one trained with new age, high-tech equipment & methodology, akin to Rocky's improvised training in the Siberian wilderness versus Ivan Drago's laboratory controlled training?

Brother Radam, I bet you have interesting stories how your old school ways have bested some new age Dragos in the game. How would you explain it?

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Bernie Campbell:

Given the chance, alot of guys can beat his ***, outside of USA!

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The Commish:

I give Fury all the credit in the world for signing to face Alexander Ustinov. Check him out on youtube. Either Fury is extremely confident of the progress he says he has made or he is totally insane and out of control for picking Ustinov, but pick him he has.

Way to go, Tyson!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

How could you not like this fight. Did you like Provodnikov v Mike Alvarado? You certainly did. Well, this will be even better...even more fast-paced...even more exciting.

Rios has said he hates it when guys keep moving and running against him. Provodnikov said he cannot stand guys who refuse to engage. In that case, Rios and Provodnikov may fall in love the night they fight.

Rios is gonna' come forward. Provodnikov is gonna' come forward

Then...

Bring it on!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

I was a teenager, on vacation with my parents and younger brother, when this fight took place. There's a chapter entitled "The Kings and I" in my upcoming book about my meeting Sonny Liston two days before this fight.

He was very nice to me, but when he asked where I was from, and I said "New York," he said, "You must be a Floyd Patterson fan." I told him I was.

"I'm gonna' kill him!" Liston growled. Then he patted my head and ordered ice cream sodas for me and my brother.

Liston could not have been nicer.

I was a college student when authorities found his body in a Las Vegas hotel room.

As for the man Liston knocked out twice in the first round--Floyd Patterson--who would have known that, 32 years after losing to Liston in Las Vegas, he would become Chairman of the New York State Athletic Commission.

The man he replaced at the NYSAC?

Me!

-Randy G.

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ArneK.:

I have no clue if Frank Galarza can fight a lick. The fact that he won the vacant New York State light middleweight title and then captured the interim WBC Latino light middleweight title tells me absolutely nothing.

I know that boxing promoters have forever contrived phony titles to dress up their promotions, but nowadays I would argue that it's counterproductive. It merely calls attention to the fact there there are too many dubious title-holders.

The venue is interesting. It begs the question of where boxing in the U.S. would be today if not for gambling joints. Depending on the source, the Resorts World racino has anywhere from 2200 to more than 5000 video lottery terminals -- slot machines in the vernacular.

I find it so ironic that Resorts World is only about 10 miles from LaGuardia Airport, named for a zealous anti-gambling crusader. The most iconic image of the "Little Flower" is that of the fellow on the barge fiendishly attacking a pile of slot machines with a sledgehammer.

Times change.

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deepwater2:

If this is true, Congrats for picking a live opponent Mr Fury! This boxer might of knocked out Chisora and Haye.



Alexander "The Great" Ustinov

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The Shadow:

"Is cortisone banned? If it is, I find that ridiculous. You can inject cortisone all day, but it won't make you a better athelete. You'll just end up with track marks.

If cortisone is a PED then so are antibiotics, becuase they help an athelete to recover from the flu quicker."


Don't know if it is, I just know it's part of a doping cocktail that supposedly allows you to recuperate faster.

Here's some information how Floyd Landis used it before winning the a Tour De France in '06. http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/Cortisone

Our man Lance allegedly tested positive for it in '99 but it was swept under the rug, much like they said they did with a Carl Lewis test in '88 or around that time.

And welcome to the discussion! Are you an athlete also?

EDIT: here's some of the swiping-under-the-rug stuff Radam talks about: http://youtu.be/F04etMA6bgk

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The Shadow:

"I think what you say there is why there really is no suspicion of Mayweather. I noticed that when he fought the Ghost that he was noticeably slower and not quite as crisp. The thing is though that when Floyd slows down, he is declining from a talent and skill level so far above everyone else's, that you almost miss it.

As far as him knocking out fighters earlier in his career, Floyd contrary to popular belief use to beat people to a pulp. However, he realized that to KO people he had to sit down and leave himself open to be countered. His style switched to a more protective style which has preserved him through the years. Up until the Maidana fight, you can make the argument that Floyd had been in only one real high pressure scrap in his entire career against Castillo. Cotto and De La Hoya were tough fights but neither would I classify as brawls that really take something out of guys.

I think people also miss out on the fact that being a KO artist takes something out of the guy throwing the bombs too. The amount of torque put on the shoulders, hips, calves, and feet to throw cinder block like punches is tremendous. You often hear of the hard hitting guys needing surgeries on their shoulders and knees late in their career because they have put so much pressure on them for so many years. Floyd has avoided that path as well."


Very, very good points. Of all accounts, they're meticulous about extending his career as much as possible. I think the same goes for B-Hop, he doesn't seem to be torquing with the same vigor. Wanna protect those joints.

Great, astute points all around! As usual.

Did any of you guys get a chance to read the German article?? If not, here are some out takes. Please share your thoughts:

"I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it's done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That's how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business."

"My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better."

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

"There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."

"I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance."

"We have used creams that leave no trace and give the athlete a steadily higher testosterone levels."

"Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they don't get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars I'll then build you a designer drug that can't be detected."

"Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers."

"What's happening now is laughable. It's a token. They should save their money or give it to me. I'll give it to the orphans of Mexico! There will be doping for as long as there is commercial sports, performance-related shoe contracts and television."

"Peak performances without doping are a fairytale, my friend."

"I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect."

"Track and field, swimming, cross-country skiing and cycling can no longer be saved. Golf? Not clean either. Soccer? Soccer players come to me and say they have to be able to run up and down the touchline without becoming tired, and they have to play every three days. Basketball players take fat burners amphetamines, ephedrin. Baseball? Haha. Steroids in pre-season, amphetamines during the games. Even archers take downers so that their arm remains steady. Everyone dopes."

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The Shadow:

"Shannon Briggs? Wilder? Tarver? Sam Sexton?Kali Meehan? Sprott? Malik Scott?

David Haye and Chisora are wankers for these last minute so called injuries"


Lol "wankers..."

Tiger Thompson is ready, so is Audley Harrison and Antonio Tarver. I don't see it, though. Would be a losing proposition. But it tells me people really don't worry about Tyson Fury.

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The Shadow:

"I have to agree with the author here as well, although there a couple things Maidana can do in the rematch to offset Mayweather. Step to the right to avoid the right counter and land his own overhand right. Come back to the left and constantly be changing angles. In addition, his head movement seemed nonexistent in the first fight, I might be wrong. And last but not least, Maidana could improve his stamina, and Robert Garcia should implore his fighter between rounds, as he did in the in the Broner fight."

Improve his stamina? Man, you're asking a lot, brother! Ain't no way in hell he can get any better stamina than he had the last time.

Marcos Maidana coulda rode with Marco Pantani that night. He coulda ran a marathon. He took so many vicious body blows from the first round on yet didn't really slow down until the 8th round.

He was in amazing shape.

Pretty sure he could've done this: (scroll to 0:39)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4eimoSheog

Unbelievable condition!! Lol

Good tips. Let's see if he can implement it. One thing he has going for him is that he has no regard, reverence or respect for Floyd Mayweather.

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deepwater2:

"According to England's leading sports publication, Tyson Fury will appear on Saturday's card against TBA. His management is frantically seeking a sacrificial lamb.



As for those that purchased advance tickets, can they get a full or partial refund? What's the rule here?"




Shannon Briggs? Wilder? Tarver? Sam Sexton?Kali Meehan? Sprott? Malik Scott?



David Haye and Chisora are wankers for these last minute so called injuries

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Carmine Cas:

I have to agree with the author here as well, although there a couple things Maidana can do in the rematch to offset Mayweather. Step to the right to avoid the right counter and land his own overhand right. Come back to the left and constantly be changing angles. In addition, his head movement seemed nonexistent in the first fight, I might be wrong. And last but not least, Maidana could improve his stamina, and Robert Garcia should implore his fighter between rounds, as he did in the in the Broner fight.

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ArneK.:

According to England's leading sports publication, Tyson Fury will appear on Saturday's card against TBA. His management is frantically seeking a sacrificial lamb.

As for those that purchased advance tickets, can they get a full or partial refund? What's the rule here?

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Radam G:

"Give us an X Ray Delboy. Either you broke it or Fury put the frighteners on you. Which one will it prove to be?"

Tyson "Fists of" Fury put some serious fright in Delboy. Hehehe! He can't handle the truth.

Tyson said that he was going to make Delboy his "bytch and a sleeping ugly." OMG! That scared da hebejeebeez outta Delboy. WTF is a "sleeping ugly?" Hehe! Holla!

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deepwater2:

Floyd by UD. The ref will give warnings and take points as soon as MM gets inside and gets a bit rough in there. MM will not be able to use the Everlast MX gloves this time either. I hope MM can make it a good fight but Floyd will have his game-plan and the Ref will be breaking them quick and often. It looks like Floyd and Manny might be taking easier bouts this time around; Are they saving themselves for the Spring? Could we see the fight the world wants to see?

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Radam G:

Wow! Duran was one super bad mofu. He is in the top p4p for every performing discipline of the game. Maybe he could have been a 100-0 if he could've controlled that drinking and eating. Holla!

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