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brooklynrules:

Shadow, you sound like the house niggah. Yes, there are lawyer's documents that certainly say that "we have the right of refusal." . Really, are you so white bread? Do u think Floyd Mayweather Jr. gives sh*t about what ShoBox thinks or their documents say? Yes. Floyd wud get sued by Showtime if they objected and he said "F-you, and went ahead and boxed wherever and under whoevers PPV, and yes, Floyd wud probably lose in court in a few years, but Showtime, knowing this, will cave and make special arrangements. I don't know what world you're living in, but it aint Floyds! That niggah duz what he wants; and Showtime is the one dancing to his tune when push comes to shove with Floyd.

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brooklynrules:

Very well said. Floyd may retire with a goose egg in the lost column and probably eclipse Marciano in doing so but there'll always be that asterisk next to his name that says "Ducked Pacquio and Ducked GGG." I think GGG puts Floyd in the hospital.

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Radam G:

Wow! You got it bad, Commish! Luv for your boy.

"B-ware" aka "The Haitian "Sensation is totally uncared and unscared of D-Wild.

You were an eyewitness -- or more of an earwitness last night on the USA mainland -- going in with biases on your show. Your condition of love for your boy makes you project and inject things that are not there to support your strong opinion about how the bout will end. You apparently have a bit of editorialized hearing.

I'm riding with "Gentleman" Gerry Cooney on this one. He had a looooong boxing career and knows the scent of great shyness versus the smell of scaryness. Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

Trout walked a fine line of career destruction in this one. Good to see him dig deep and get the win though.

He is far from ready for the big stage though. It looks like the losses he took from Lara and Canelo made him a little gun shy too. Something about Trout seemed timid at first.

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King Beef:

"Almost knocked out Trout came back and closed the show. Against a limited guy. Trout isn't at the top of the division . He has a couple fights to go before he gets to challenge . Good Friday nights fight though."

Entertaining fight, nice come back by Trout.

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deepwater2:

"Trout has changed his style. He's terrible looking nowadays. Miguel Cotto would kayo him EARLY. Holla!"



Almost knocked out Trout came back and closed the show. Against a limited guy. Trout isn't at the top of the division . He has a couple fights to go before he gets to challenge . Good Friday nights fight though.

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King Beef:

"Trout has changed his style. He's terrible looking nowadays. Miguel Cotto would kayo him EARLY. Holla!"

He made some nice adjustments, and appears to have pulled off the comeback; even put Dawson down in the 8th.
Going to the cards

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King Beef:

I don't think Freddy will let Cotto anywhere near GGG, although I would love to see that fight. Cotto is definitely game bred, but too many too many tough fights at this point.

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Radam G:

Trout has changed his style. He's terrible looking nowadays. Miguel Cotto would kayo him EARLY. Holla!

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King Beef:

"Knocked out Trout! Right hand over the jab might end the fight."

Trout recovering pretty good, taking control....Dawson is waiting too long trying to land that right. Also just twisted an ankle at the end of the 7th

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King Beef:

"Excellent point. I think the biggest key will be ....how well will Mayweathers hands hold up. I think he will try to put some Victor-Ortiz-presription-strength right hands on Maidana... If that's the case he could end getting injured and having to attempt winning the fight with a one handed offence. For what ever reason Maidana has more success exploiting Mayweather in the pocket than anyone else....or I should say he "appears to be getting to him". So obviously he will avoid the infighting a little more this time and vary his attack."

I have to agree with you B-Sug on the "appear to be getting to him". Alot of those punches were hardly clean, with that said it will probably be another ugly close fight. I am curious to see how May fights this time; Ghost bet the house that Mayweathers legs were shot after the Cotto fight, and he moved pretty good, so we will just have to see, but at 37 father time has to be catching up alittle bit.

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deepwater2:

Don King is gonna get his chubby champ an excuse to postpone the fight because even though Wilder hasn't been tested , once he gets BS on the ropes like Chris A did its goodnight. On another note Wilder gave a recent interview. He said he still smokes weed, still carries a pistol and was thinking of taking Charlie Z to a dark alley to finish him.
Please have an intervention with DW to nip this behavior in the bud. He has the world championship in his view. He needs security to watch over him from him. He needs a PR coach to school him. He needs a firm to get him on Madison ave. He needs a mentor to set him straight. Commish step in.

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deepwater2:

Knocked out Trout! Right hand over the jab might end the fight.

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Froggy:

"OMG! Don't make me puke. It is not a fluke. He won the belt , no doubt. Most people were saying that Martinez was going to knock him out. Holla!"



Fluke or no fluke, and I thought Cotto would be stopped by Martinez also, I will be shocked if Cotto stays ay 160 !

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Radam G:

OMG! Don't make me puke. It is not a fluke. He won the belt , no doubt. Most people were saying that Martinez was going to knock him out. Holla!

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riverside:

supporting "La Alacrana", Go Syndy!!

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flackoguapo:

"The difference between Rigondeaux and Algieri is hard to quantify, the number required is simply too large and bordering on the abstract and imaginary. Where Rigondeaux uses his smarts, Algieri uses his legs. Where Rigondeaux uses a vast arsenal of punches, Algieri shows off a few, albeit 'well' practiced, combinations that most fighters can use after several years in good gyms - ultimately, where Rigondeaux decides to fight, Algieri decides to take flight.



It's easy for him to squeeze into a 140 frame at 5'10 because he loves to run. I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to make 135 or even 130, just stick him on a treadmill and watch him run to his heart's content. I think it can be argued that as much as Rios loves treacle in his brain, Algieri loves the feeling of running.



But, against foes without the ability to cut off the ring effectively, against foes who are experienced against fast moving negative runners, he will fall. He can not take a championship punch, that much we know and are sure of. When Pacquiao's gloves are firing toward his face and vital organs in 8-10 punch combinations, those earmuffs won't be able to save him. His legs will provide relief for a few steps but the master of the dance will be one of the greatest pugilists of our generation and in the sport's history.



If you are so confident in Algieri's victory over Pacquiao, surely it's time to bet the house and get minted? I'm not aware of the odds on Algieri... But I am sure you will make a sizable return.. I wouldn't do it, I don't believe Algieri has the minerals to compete with Manny Pacquiao, but if you are so certain then it's time to win with your man."




Great post Skibbz. And as of today C-AL is a +700 underdog to beat Da Manny!

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New York Tony:

Cotto's a good fighter but he's no middleweight, proven by his wanting to take on Tim Bradley at some catchweight. There more and more articles on this, like at ESB and Boxing.com. He's got exactly zero chance against Golovkin and will vacate his WBC rather than fight him. Cotto at middleweight is a fluke that won't last long.

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Radam G:

"Yeah, I'm familiar with that guy too. I've watched most if not all his videos. I think the guy who did the Clean Punching video is better, though.



So is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj3E_XAwL6s



That said, scoring is subjective, that's the beauty of boxing. I respect your opinion. But to me, I saw a close fight but definitely not a robbery.



Pacquiao-Bradley was a robbery. So was Lewis-Holyfield 1. I even thought Marquez-Pacquiao 1 was a minor burglary.



But I saw Mayweather winning five or six out of the first six rounds and winning this one.



It's kinda like Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton 2. Ali took the first six but the rest were close. I could see a case for anywhere from 11-1 to 7-5, or even 6-6, depending on what you score.



Either way, thanks for the input."




In watching that piece on Money May and J.L. Castillo, once again one can see how boxers and their fanboys, flunkies and fanfaronades love to change history.



In this bout, Money May got a cut over his eye. WTF! In the dance with Chino, talking heads were perpetrating a fraud that it was "the first time in 46 bouts" for Money May "to suffer a cut." I say BULLCORN and sent a clip of him being cut in his second bout against southpaw Reggie Sanders. Of course, I was ignored. And after the dance, even the newspaper and internet scribes ran with the BIG lie of Money May being cut for the first time.



My point is, is that boxing is notorious for surrounding the trues with umpteen bodyguards of super lies.



Thanks for that video, The Shadow. You make my credibility and photographic memory seem even more awesome. If I don't know, I don't blow. And I always know 99.8 percent of the time, before I blow. Until I'm at least 99 percent certain, I keep stuff on the down low. Unless one is dealing with reliable people in da game, you will see ______ _______ doing any lying jive and make believe without shame.



Wow! The truth is not good for promoting and myth weaving and heaving in our dear sport. Danggit! I guess that is just the way he/she work it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm28EEeyLek. You know I'm not telling which Chinese boytoy is whom. Hehehe! Holla!

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brownsugar:

I don't mind Algieri getting his personal slice of prime time attention and fame. There are many ways to get there....through achievement, controversy, becoming a villain, or by simply not having a shred of shame.
But Algieri earned his spot in the limelight honestly.... He's not someone I spend much time thinking about ...but he seems like the type of person whom if I knew personally , I'd probably invest my time supporting his cause.
Chris earned his fame honestly and deserves ever precious moment of it.
But keeping it is another matter entirely.
He masks his inexperience by moving so much his opponents are barely able to catch up to him to check his credentials.
If they have the stamina to keep up with the fleet footed roadster he may whip it out to let them get a peek but he flips it back into his vest pocket too quickly for his competition to check its authenticity.
This will not present a problem for Pacquioa.
Pac will pull him over....issue a citation, ... revoke his driving privileges..put him on house arrest...and feed him bread and water.

Until then...
Boxing can always use another "Feel good story" and Chris is the perfect guy to provide one.
A true gentleman.
I just hope he doesn't overstay his welcome.

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The Shadow:

"The first fight was very controversial at the time ,that is why Floyd had the rematch which he won clearly but the first fight was close. Floyd did sweep the first 4 rounds.No matter what you think of compubox the 173 power punches compared to 66 is a big deal. I see your video and admit the segments of the fight that is shown look good for FM. I counter with a video of the same fight but with slow motion of the entire fight, not just segments,that show that Floyd lost. Harold L. called the fight for Castillo spot on.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkqMKGdi4LU#t=624
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaYc_DsFmg"


Yeah, I'm familiar with that guy too. I've watched most if not all his videos. I think the guy who did the Clean Punching video is better, though.

So is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj3E_XAwL6s

That said, scoring is subjective, that's the beauty of boxing. I respect your opinion. But to me, I saw a close fight but definitely not a robbery.

Pacquiao-Bradley was a robbery. So was Lewis-Holyfield 1. I even thought Marquez-Pacquiao 1 was a minor burglary.

But I saw Mayweather winning five or six out of the first six rounds and winning this one.

It's kinda like Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton 2. Ali took the first six but the rest were close. I could see a case for anywhere from 11-1 to 7-5, or even 6-6, depending on what you score.

Either way, thanks for the input.

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deepwater2:

"I never personally saw the controversy with that fight. Floyd swept the first six rounds.



This fight also perfectly shows the problem with CompuBox. There's no distinction between quality and quantity. (Example: Roy Jones and Montell Griffin having similar punch stats in their rematch.)



Many of those shots Compubox counted were illegal blows in the clinch. It wasn't clean punches.



Here's a video that breaks down the clean punches:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mya73B5xzsw



People always say he came back in the second fight and won easily. I don't think there was that much of a difference.



If I'm not mistaken, I think the scores were wider the first time out."




The first fight was very controversial at the time ,that is why Floyd had the rematch which he won clearly but the first fight was close. Floyd did sweep the first 4 rounds.No matter what you think of compubox the 173 power punches compared to 66 is a big deal. I see your video and admit the segments of the fight that is shown look good for FM. I counter with a video of the same fight but with slow motion of the entire fight, not just segments,that show that Floyd lost. Harold L. called the fight for Castillo spot on.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkqMKGdi4LU#t=624

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaYc_DsFmg

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brownsugar:

"The difference between Rigondeaux and Algieri is hard to quantify, the number required is simply too large and bordering on the abstract and imaginary. Where Rigondeaux uses his smarts, Algieri uses his legs. Where Rigondeaux uses a vast arsenal of punches, Algieri shows off a few, albeit 'well' practiced, combinations that most fighters can use after several years in good gyms - ultimately, where Rigondeaux decides to fight, Algieri decides to take flight.

It's easy for him to squeeze into a 140 frame at 5'10 because he loves to run. I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to make 135 or even 130, just stick him on a treadmill and watch him run to his heart's content. I think it can be argued that as much as Rios loves treacle in his brain, Algieri loves the feeling of running.

But, against foes without the ability to cut off the ring effectively, against foes who are experienced against fast moving negative runners, he will fall. He can not take a championship punch, that much we know and are sure of. When Pacquiao's gloves are firing toward his face and vital organs in 8-10 punch combinations, those earmuffs won't be able to save him. His legs will provide relief for a few steps but the master of the dance will be one of the greatest pugilists of our generation and in the sport's history.

If you are so confident in Algieri's victory over Pacquiao, surely it's time to bet the house and get minted? I'm not aware of the odds on Algieri... But I am sure you will make a sizable return.. I wouldn't do it, I don't believe Algieri has the minerals to compete with Manny Pacquiao, but if you are so certain then it's time to win with your man."


Skibbz... You are a beast

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brownsugar:

"I accept what you're saying but what of the idea of fighting fire with fire? We have seen Chino go down on many occasions in the past, both from blows to the body and head. Sure he's gotten back up and usually won the fight (if not always) but Mayweather used to be one of the best offensive fighters in the sport. Can he keep up an offense for 12 rounds against the pressure of Maidana? I doubt it.. But Maidana will surely have greater endurance going into this fight so it may get too close for comfort if he attempts to sit back and let the steam cool off before he notches up rounds.



Check Maidana with the left hook and if that doesn't drop him spear the right behind for good measure, if anything it will remind the brute that he's in there with a boxer.."




Excellent point. I think the biggest key will be ....how well will Mayweathers hands hold up. I think he will try to put some Victor-Ortiz-presription-strength right hands on Maidana... If that's the case he could end getting injured and having to attempt winning the fight with a one handed offence. For what ever reason Maidana has more success exploiting Mayweather in the pocket than anyone else....or I should say he "appears to be getting to him". So obviously he will avoid the infighting a little more this time and vary his attack.

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The Shadow:

"If you were impressed with MM's endurance against little Floyd, then the first Castillo fight will have you awed. Castillo took Floyd's best jabs and swept the later rounds in their first fight. That's why HBO's Harold L scored it 115-111 for Castillo. If you thought Lara lost to Canelo then the result of this fight would of had you yelling fix. The compubox numbers help tell the story : 173 power punches landed compared to 66.

203 total punches compared to 157. 8th grade Cuban school was in session.



Jabs Castillo Mayweather

Landed 30 91

Thrown 129 297

Percent 23% 31%

Power Punches Castillo Mayweather

Landed 173 66

Thrown 377 151

Percent 46% 44%

Total Punches Castillo Mayweather

Landed 203 157

Thrown 506 448

Percent 40% 35%"




I never personally saw the controversy with that fight. Floyd swept the first six rounds.



This fight also perfectly shows the problem with CompuBox. There's no distinction between quality and quantity. (Example: Roy Jones and Montell Griffin having similar punch stats in their rematch.)



Many of those shots Compubox counted were illegal blows in the clinch. It wasn't clean punches.



Here's a video that breaks down the clean punches:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mya73B5xzsw



People always say he came back in the second fight and won easily. I don't think there was that much of a difference.



If I'm not mistaken, I think the scores were wider the first time out.

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Skibbz:

"I honestly don't see what Mayweather can do to greatly improve upon his last performance. Mayweather cannot truly improve due to his age.... He can only attempt to ressurect his once incomparable skill......to somehow retrieve the slowly fading abilities he used to have.

He's training harder and incorporating more strength training along with more rigorous speed drills but his battle is against age. The best he can hope for is an extra 2% or 3% improvement over his last effort.

Maidana has the invulnerability of youth. ...along with the wreckless Kamikaze faith of a warrior who truly believes he won the first war.

He will not yield ...he will not back down unless its for strategic purposes only.

Maidana has the far greater potential to improve from a physicality standpoint and is the first boxer since Del LA Hoya.

In the first fight Maidana effectively crouched and jabbed while moving in reverse to elude Mayweather whenever it appeared Floyd was beginning to exploit the crazed Argentenians chaotic offence.

Despite his crude technique Maidana is not quite the mindless automaton he appears to be.
He's boxing's version of a remorseless psychopath, who wears the festering Hockeymask of resentment and disrespect while he dispenses his brand of terror upon his unsuspecting opponents

Mayweather's struggle will be to take advantage during the lulls and gaps between Maidana's offence. One miscalculation could be his last.
If Floyd suffers a knockdown or gets pummled to frequently trying to use the ropes...he may find himself facing a deficit on the scorecards that could posdibly be too deep to overcome."


I accept what you're saying but what of the idea of fighting fire with fire? We have seen Chino go down on many occasions in the past, both from blows to the body and head. Sure he's gotten back up and usually won the fight (if not always) but Mayweather used to be one of the best offensive fighters in the sport. Can he keep up an offense for 12 rounds against the pressure of Maidana? I doubt it.. But Maidana will surely have greater endurance going into this fight so it may get too close for comfort if he attempts to sit back and let the steam cool off before he notches up rounds.

Check Maidana with the left hook and if that doesn't drop him spear the right behind for good measure, if anything it will remind the brute that he's in there with a boxer..

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Skibbz:

The difference between Rigondeaux and Algieri is hard to quantify, the number required is simply too large and bordering on the abstract and imaginary. Where Rigondeaux uses his smarts, Algieri uses his legs. Where Rigondeaux uses a vast arsenal of punches, Algieri shows off a few, albeit 'well' practiced, combinations that most fighters can use after several years in good gyms - ultimately, where Rigondeaux decides to fight, Algieri decides to take flight.



It's easy for him to squeeze into a 140 frame at 5'10 because he loves to run. I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to make 135 or even 130, just stick him on a treadmill and watch him run to his heart's content. I think it can be argued that as much as Rios loves treacle in his brain, Algieri loves the feeling of running.



But, against foes without the ability to cut off the ring effectively, against foes who are experienced against fast moving negative runners, he will fall. He can not take a championship punch, that much we know and are sure of. When Pacquiao's gloves are firing toward his face and vital organs in 8-10 punch combinations, those earmuffs won't be able to save him. His legs will provide relief for a few steps but the master of the dance will be one of the greatest pugilists of our generation and in the sport's history.



If you are so confident in Algieri's victory over Pacquiao, surely it's time to bet the house and get minted? I'm not aware of the odds on Algieri... But I am sure you will make a sizable return.. I wouldn't do it, I don't believe Algieri has the minerals to compete with Manny Pacquiao, but if you are so certain then it's time to win with your man.

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Skibbz:

Will Redkach now be known as the Ukranian Mexican? I like Robert Garcia as a trainer, I think he can improve most fighters that come to him so it will be interesting to see where this new road takes Redkach. A tall southpaw fighting lightweight with good power and good durability.. It should be good things. Hopefully they squeeze another fight for him in 2014, allow us fans a closer look at the work being done by Robert Garcia!

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oubobcat:

Personally, I see Algieri putting up a better effort than most people think and this fight being more entertaining than most believe it will be as well. Pacquiao is a much different fighter than Provodnikov and Algieiri will not fight in that exact same manner he did against Provodnikov as he will against Pacquiao.

All that said, its very hard for me to envision Algieiri getting his hand raised here. Pacquiao is just too skilled and too quick for him. He will beat Algieiri to the punch frequently and easily counter the slower Algieiri as well. But Algieiri will have his moments as Pacquaio is not the fighter he once was in this sport.

I think this will be one of those fights where Algieiri loses but ultimately gains in the loss. He performs better than expected and is more entertaining that most predicted in this fight. He raises his credentials in the sport and his ranking in the division in spite of losing the fight.

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The Commish:

"I will say this. Though it probably won't happen say in the next few months, I am very confident we will see Kelly Pavlik in a boxing ring again.

At some point in time, he is going to miss the spotlight and more importantly the money. Regardless of what anyone may think of what his skills will be, he is marketable. He gets a couple gimme wins and bam proclaims himself ready for the big time. His phone will be ringing off the hook then from many opponents looking to fight someone who brings drawing power to the table, eyeballs to the tv sets and frankly would probably look to be a very beatable fighter.

Think about it...though he may not be coming back today or tomorrow he will at some point. We have not seen the last of Kelly Pavlik."


Sadly, you are probably right. He will get in the gym, take a few fights, flatten each guy, then proclaim he is "ready for a title shot." Most recently, we have Shannon Briggs running around, challenging Wladimir Klitschko, who would love an opportunity to pound Briggs the way his brother did.

Yeh, Pavlik will be back. He may even get that title shot.

When he does, it won't be pretty!

-Randy G.

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