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Buzz Murdock:

The beauty of clinching? I think we have a different sense of aesthetics amigo...

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Radam G:

"Sensei, peep how master Willie Pep would grab people and some of his other wizardry.

While he's overrated in terms elusiveness, his clinch/control game is ON POINT.

You'll never get to him:

http://youtu.be/RiQoYRAa8s4

http://youtu.be/7LZxF-4P1ng

The ones who complain about clinches are usually the ones who can do nothing about it.

This is another key reason no one beats Andre Ward, not even GGG."


It is no doubt that readers here are full of double standard hatin.' Money May is just on the long history trail of greats who know the beauty of clinching and grappling and a bit of spinning and turning and burning with fists of feet. Holla!

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The Shadow:

Sensei, peep how master Willie Pep would grab people and some of his other wizardry.



While he's overrated in terms elusiveness, his clinch/control game is ON POINT.



You'll never get to him:



http://youtu.be/RiQoYRAa8s4



http://youtu.be/7LZxF-4P1ng



The ones who complain about clinches are usually the ones who can do nothing about it.



This is another key reason no one beats Andre Ward, not even GGG.

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The Shadow:

"Clinching is a beautiful science and art of the game. Too bad that New Jacks hate it. Holla!"



Ray Robinson used the clinch far more than Money May.



Watch how he disrupts Fulmer in their fourth fight with blatant holding in between whoop-a$$ action.



Just watch the 1st round alone: http://youtu.be/TX62G2aaxuc



It's the sweet, sweet science. And guess what, there are few better surgeons than Sugar Ray!



When you see a sweet surgeon operate, you better watch out. You might catch a cavity.



Kovalev should be afraid. He will get grabbed, too.

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Radam G:

One thing about Lil Floyd, he will never become punkedified about situations in dat squared jungle. In his own -- in his interview on The Boxing Channel when talking about Chino was the first pug to cut him -- "Adversity defines a champion...." Holla!

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Radam G:

The truth always rises in our sports. It hardly ever stays down to be counted out.

I would not be a bit surprised when Money May says he lose a tooth, as he did about getting cut after the talking heads kept blabbermouthing that the cut against Chino in Bout I was the first cut ever for Money May.

I can hear it now: "It wasn't the first time that I lose a tooth. It happened to my uncles, my dad, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Shane Mosley and Zab Judah. It is a part of the game."

And If I'm wrong that it was not a tooth. I will admit to it. I will always call a spade, and never hide in the shade. But don't you guys know how much pro pugs lose teeth? Just as much as they lose sweat, blood and tears. And a couple of brain cells. All that can regenerate, but not the teeth. Hehe!

BTW, in wrestling you still have people who don't it is real blood. Those wrestling dudes get paid to cut themselves and put on a bloody show. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Mayweather initiated way more clinches then Sugar. Sugar clinched when he had to but he worked on the inside and threw vicious combos. The ref let SRL and RD work on the inside and wasn't quick on every single break.

Mayweather avoided fighting on the inside with MM as much as he could and held on while looking at Bayless.

Mayweather used his footwork to get out of the exchanges. SRL used his footwork and feints to set up hard punches and mixed up his attack.

There is absolutely no comparison between MM and The Great Duran. Duran was 71-1 at the time of his fight. MM was 35-5.

The short clip 1 minute clip shows similarities but why not watch the whole fight and compare the two?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2bQWJmA1A

Styles make fights and using footwork and the art of the clinch is a good strategy against a certain type of fighter but the way Sugar Ray did it was beautiful and exciting because he really let his hands go,feinted masterfully and worked while on the inside.

Duran and Leonard are legends. Their fights will always be watched with admiration. How many of Floyd's battles can stand the test of time?"


Money May has a few battles that will "stand the test of time." Holla!

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Radam G:

"Excellent take. Thanks!

That's the point, how many will stand the test of time? Only time will tell.

And the perceived disparity -- and I say perceived bc we will never know -- between Maidana and Duran is what makes the comparison interesting to me.

What do the rest of you say?

And speaking of clinching, what about fights like Ali vs Frazier, Leonard vs Hagler, Lennox vs (insert), or even Sugar Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer in the rematch?"


Clinching is a beautiful science and art of the game. Too bad that New Jacks hate it. Holla!

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The Shadow:

Excellent take. Thanks!



That's the point, how many will stand the test of time? Only time will tell.



And the perceived disparity -- and I say perceived bc we will never know -- between Maidana and Duran is what makes the comparison interesting to me.



What do the rest of you say?



And speaking of clinching, what about fights like Ali vs Frazier, Leonard vs Hagler, Lennox vs (insert), or even Sugar Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer in the rematch?

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The Shadow:

"This is a fight definitely worth watching again.



Yes, I believe that's a tooth which is heading in a bloody blurr out of the ring. Betcha' it hit some guy on his crisp, new white shirt, making it look like he was hit with a shotgun blast!



-Randy G."




Looks like Vaseline to me. He spoke just fine at the post-fight presser with no evidence of an altered smile except for a Donovan Ruddock upper lip.



It could also have been spit. WWE wrestler Shawn Michaels used to do this illusion where he would take a hard simulated blow, spit in the air and give it the impression of a tooth flying.



Spit can look just like that.



(Ghost Guerrero was shooting so many spitballs all over the place vs Floyd you'd think he had rabies.



By that logic, Ghost musta lost 34 teeth.)



Maidana may have shook him up after the bell but Money May sure didn't "lose his smile."



He even addressed it in an interview, he said that didn't happen. Why would he lie? He's not shy to share his injuries.



Also, I must say people go to extreme, logic-defying lengths to find chinks in Mayweather's armor.



People say you can't bite through a mouth guard yet you can send a tooth flying -- a tooth protected by the very best guard known to man?!



While it looked like spit to me, I don't know what happened and I really don't care either.



I just find the inherent contradiction hilarious. And odd.



While I am a huge fan of his skill and ring prowess, I find myself completely indifferent to his personality.



I'm not particularly entertained by his on-screen antics nor am I impressed by his wit.



Though I understand, his ever-increasing proclivity to side-step questions and ber sensitivity can be irksome at times.



How he remains so marketable (and hated), I still struggle to truly grasp.



That said, this whole anti-Mayweather movement is starting to get comical. #THIS



As they said, inside hos 20x20 canvas of choice, one can't deny the artistry of Mayweather.



Instead of throwing verbal spitballs his way, we should really appreciate what we're watching: a once-in-a-lifetime all-time great artist who defies logic each and every single time he laces up his gloves.

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deepwater2:

Mayweather initiated way more clinches then Sugar. Sugar clinched when he had to but he worked on the inside and threw vicious combos. The ref let SRL and RD work on the inside and wasn't quick on every single break.

Mayweather avoided fighting on the inside with MM as much as he could and held on while looking at Bayless.

Mayweather used his footwork to get out of the exchanges. SRL used his footwork and feints to set up hard punches and mixed up his attack.

There is absolutely no comparison between MM and The Great Duran. Duran was 71-1 at the time of his fight. MM was 35-5.

The short clip 1 minute clip shows similarities but why not watch the whole fight and compare the two?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2bQWJmA1A

Styles make fights and using footwork and the art of the clinch is a good strategy against a certain type of fighter but the way Sugar Ray did it was beautiful and exciting because he really let his hands go,feinted masterfully and worked while on the inside.

Duran and Leonard are legends. Their fights will always be watched with admiration. How many of Floyd's battles can stand the test of time?

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brownsugar:

"I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.



I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.



I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."



-Randy G."






I hope you can keep a secret that long Commish..... November is a long time to keep a vulnerability consealed

If Algieri wins I'll personally research Google and write a brief five paragraph bio of the law student praising his world championship abilities....



That would be the biggest upset since Spinks took Larry Holmes Title.

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Radam G:

"I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.

I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.

I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."

-Randy G."


Hehehehe! You really have the C-Al fever. A couple of drops of lemon juice in alkaline water will break throse "High Hopes." Holla!

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The Commish:

"My vote for TBE, personally, goes to either Willie Pep or Roberto Duran, depending how I'm feeling when you ask me."



That, in a nutshell, I why I have NEVER posted my pound-for-pound ratings. However, as the former Editor-in-Chief of The Ring, it is being asked more and more of me.



I am doing it, and the list will apppear in my upcoming book, "Glove Affair."



In my chapter of lists will be that one, along with a lot of other lists.



Welterweight Sugar Ray Robinson?



He's way up there.



-Randy G.

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The Commish:

This is a fight definitely worth watching again.

Yes, I believe that's a tooth which is heading in a bloody blurr out of the ring. Betcha' it hit some guy on his crisp, new white shirt, making it look like he was hit with a shotgun blast!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Very entertaining fight. I'm glad I gave up an afternoon of NFL watching and instead watched a few boxing videos, including this one and the war involving Orlando Salido v Thailand's Terdsak Kokietgym.

Both fights gave me more action and competitiveness than I got from the NFL Giants v Houston.

Salido-Kokietgym was so thrilling that I saved it to my favorites videos on youtube.com...gonna' watch it again on Monday before I head in for my show.

Gotta' tell The Shadow and Gerry Cooney to watch it!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

WOW!



If I had been ringside, I would have thrown things into the ring--$10 bills!



I have no idea how much these guys were paid, but I do know this.



It wasn't enough!



-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"You old romantic rascal, YOU! You DA MAN! Hehe! Holla!"

:>)

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Pac does everything better...... This is a fight,... not a PX90 Exhibition. Pac will work his punches in between all the aerobic bouncing. The lad Algieri is going back to school for another semester. PAC via UD all day long."

I will make myself accessible most of the day on November 23 to take your applause and congratulations on the victory of the Long Islander over future Hall-of-Famer Manny Pacquiao.

I will then tell you what I saw all this time which led me to pick Chris Algieri over Da' Manny.

I have a vintage bottle of champagne I intend to pop open that night after Michael Buffer reads the cards and says, ""...all to the winner, and STILL undefeated..."

-Randy G.

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thegreyman:

"I much rather watch these types of fighters who will make good fights any day over any of the big high profile fights we have been fed the last few years.

By the way, for those of us in the states bein sports has provided some very high quality fights for us. Much much better than anything Showtime has offered up so far this year. They are actually providing the type of cards HBO Boxing After Dark use to provide on a regular basis. I wish the premium networks would get it and start showcasing more of these type of competitive fights between two fighters whose styles mesh well. Its not rocket science and often times these matchups can be easily made in the lower weight classes for a fraction of say what they are shelling out for Garcia-Salka.

I say either HBO or Showtime pony up a few bucks and make a card featuring Gonzalez-Estrada. I would even pay good money to see that on PPV and can guarantee a lot of other fight fans would do the same. It certainly would be much more worth it than say Mayweather-Maidana II."


The major US networks seem to extort fans, knowing that the majority will watch whatever fights they put on. At least that's the way it looks from across the pond.

Meanwhile the great British fights keep coming; Eubank Jr vs Billy Joe Saunders next!

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Radam G:

"Well there was absolutely no damage to the grille( no missing teeth )other than a fat lip..... and Floyd did a little hop-skip at the end of the punch (in the 3rd)to get his legs back underneath.
To his credit ...
And while Sitting in a room full a people watching the replay.
Floyd admitted he was hurt with that shot.
Chino almost got him.... If only for one fleeting moment.
And for that he should be proud.
Chino should avoid letting tsAH putting him in with a killer like Thurman.
Just match him with similar brawlers like they did with Salido so we can keep him around to make entertaining fights.
Chino vs Rios next???"


I know that it is hard to accept, but his top lip and his gum were swollen from the knocking out of a tooth. Get a big screen TV, or your iPad or iTablet, triple slow it down, stop it, put a circle around the white object blasted outta his grill, and ask your tablet or your pad what is it. She will tell you a tooth. Or even better, call Money May or some forensic dentists and/or doctor who were on the scene at ringside. Even better holla at the person who pick it up off the canvas.

OMG! Hulkquez has even had hair pugs knocked out in dat squared jungle. Tons of pugs have lost their bowels. And God Rest the souls of those who lost their lives. And we are haggling over optical illusion-jiving Money May losing a tooth.

Maybe he wanted to rain one of his mug-hole choppers on the canvas like his rains $5 and $10 on big-booty, shakin'-dat-thang hos. Hehe! Some hos have even reported that Money May often rains fake moolah.

PLEASE! And it ain't jack for boxers to occasionally lose a tooth or two. It has happened to GOAT Ali, all the Sugarmen, all the joltin' Jacks and Joes, all the "Two Ton" and "Lights out" Tonies and all the fighting Floyds.

In my Money May's rap, "it comes with the territory."

Not only did Money May lose a tooth, he got put in stitches to close cuts inside his mug hole. He has gotten bad inside-the-mouth cuts in four of five of his last fights. And it should not be surprising, the older you get, the looser and easier your skin get, especially around the eyes, inside the grill and inside the beak.

You guys can squash if the judges also thought Money May won that round in question by hollering at the score sheets. The judge who socred it 115 to 112 thought that Money lost five rounds.

If it were not for a point taken off, the fight would been scored 115-112 twice and 114 to 113, another close fight. Holla!

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Kid Blast:

"Wow!



Absolutely right Oubob- these are the guys that deserve multi-millions for fighting.



Both guys had so much power, heart, strength and guts. Both guys gave it all, but Salido had more to give."




Salido has hit the deck more times than I can count but he has great resilience--like JMM--WOW

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oubobcat:

"Wow!

Absolutely right Oubob- these are the guys that deserve multi-millions for fighting.

Both guys had so much power, heart, strength and guts. Both guys gave it all, but Salido had more to give."


I much rather watch these types of fighters who will make good fights any day over any of the big high profile fights we have been fed the last few years.

By the way, for those of us in the states bein sports has provided some very high quality fights for us. Much much better than anything Showtime has offered up so far this year. They are actually providing the type of cards HBO Boxing After Dark use to provide on a regular basis. I wish the premium networks would get it and start showcasing more of these type of competitive fights between two fighters whose styles mesh well. Its not rocket science and often times these matchups can be easily made in the lower weight classes for a fraction of say what they are shelling out for Garcia-Salka.

I say either HBO or Showtime pony up a few bucks and make a card featuring Gonzalez-Estrada. I would even pay good money to see that on PPV and can guarantee a lot of other fight fans would do the same. It certainly would be much more worth it than say Mayweather-Maidana II.

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thegreyman:

"Well there was absolutely no damage to the grille( no missing teeth )other than a fat lip..... and Floyd did a little hop-skip at the end of the punch (in the 3rd)to get his legs back underneath.
To his credit ...
And while Sitting in a room full a people watching the replay.
Floyd admitted he was hurt with that shot.
Chino almost got him.... If only for one fleeting moment.
And for that he should be proud.
Chino should avoid letting tsAH putting him in with a killer like Thurman.
Just match him with similar brawlers like they did with Salido so we can keep him around to make entertaining fights.
Chino vs Rios next???"


Chino in a championship tournament with Rios, Provodnikov, Salido, Alvarado, Thurman and Bradley.

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Skibbz:

Hmm here's a thought, Floyd probably earned more in one second during his last fight than Terdsak earned after 11 rounds. Just some food for thought.

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thegreyman:

Wow!

Absolutely right Oubob- these are the guys that deserve multi-millions for fighting.

Both guys had so much power, heart, strength and guts. Both guys gave it all, but Salido had more to give.

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brownsugar:

Well there was absolutely no damage to the grille( no missing teeth )other than a fat lip..... and Floyd did a little hop-skip at the end of the punch (in the 3rd)to get his legs back underneath.

To his credit ...

And while Sitting in a room full a people watching the replay.

Floyd admitted he was hurt with that shot.

Chino almost got him.... If only for one fleeting moment.

And for that he should be proud.

Chino should avoid letting tsAH putting him in with a killer like Thurman.

Just match him with similar brawlers like they did with Salido so we can keep him around to make entertaining fights.

Chino vs Rios next???

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Skibbz:

I found the fight on Youtube and will spend the remainder of my Sunday evening enjoying this beautiful fight. The excitement is still fresh for me, loved every minute.

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSOtYWhtbo

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brownsugar:

Pac does everything better...... This is a fight,... not a PX90 Exhibition. Pac will work his punches in between all the aerobic bouncing. The lad Algieri is going back to school for another semester. PAC via UD all day long.

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amayseng:

"I respect your take brother but there's no way in hell Chino won round 1. Zero.

Though he clearly hurt Floyd, you can't award him Round 3 based on that because it clearly came after the bell so it doesn't count.

The effect from the punch carried over, though, as Maidana had his best round in the 4th, as you point out.

Bayless looked like he thought he was still ref'ing BKB, breaking the guys up at once.

But no, Maidana definitely didn't win 1 and 3.

The first round may have been Floyd's best.

If there are 5 seconds more in the 3rd, Chino earns the round for sure!"



When I first watched the fight I gave Chino 2 total rounds


Today, I give him round 1, Floyd did nothing, stabbed a few shots, this is professional boxing, effective punching out weighs pitty pat shots. ask Radam

secondly , That right hand landed right at the bell , not after, and it was a hurting shot, giving him the round. Professional scoring.

And third Bayless jumped in after Chino landed that clean left hook they were not even tied up , it was crazy..

I still have Floyd winning the fight clearly though.

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