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brownsugar:

"Controversy sells, but there comes a point where too much of it tarnishes the brand and consumers second guess their decision to buy. Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be altered. However depending on the loyalty of the fan, they will still purchase fights. Look at the Ray Rice situation, there are female Raven's fans criticizing the punishment and supporting him. It all depends on how much of a fan are you. But in this case I think there some seasoning added to the PPV numbers. But the media attention helped too."

It's crazy CC, I have to agree ....... Also Espinoza can neither hide or create money out of thin air. It doesn't benefit Showtime to promote a lie when they can just back out of the deal. No company is going to go out of business trying to create an illusion. I'm.positive Showtime has an escape clause if things go South.

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Carmine Cas:

Controversy sells, but there comes a point where too much of it tarnishes the brand and consumers second guess their decision to buy. Men lie, women lie, and numbers can be altered. However depending on the loyalty of the fan, they will still purchase fights. Look at the Ray Rice situation, there are female Raven's fans criticizing the punishment and supporting him. It all depends on how much of a fan are you. But in this case I think there some seasoning added to the PPV numbers. But the media attention helped too.

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Radam G:

"Ray Leonard vs Da Manny?"

Cut it out, toast -- I mean tRoast! It would depend on which Ray would show up. The lethargic one would've gotten kayoed like Erik Morales did. The one who beat Duran in Fight II and Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have beat a very small 3g by run-a-way decision. Holla!

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the Roast:

Ray Leonard vs Da Manny?

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Radam G:

"Ezzard Charles was baaaad man.



Him and are Archie Moore are easily 2 of my favourite (and 2 of the ATG) fighters.



Check out Archie's KO ratio and absolute numbers, and who both Moore and Charles fought, if anyone wonders why."




Sugar Ray Robinson duck both of them when they were welterweights and middleweights. Holla!

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Radam G:

"This is one of the longest running fights in TSS history. Radam G vs the legend of SRR being the best fighter of all time. I saw this article come up this morning after the Commish had made the first comment. I didn't have time to post but I would have said, "Cue Radam saying SRR was not the best ever and that he ducked the Black Murderers Row in 3,2,1..."

Tell me RG, who wins the dream fight and how at 147, Da Manny or SRR???"




There would be no dream fight. Some pugs you cannot beat. Some you can beat. But it has nothing to do with your overall greatness. Nobody knew that better than Sugar Ray Robinson. I never said that it was anything wrong with ducking. Bytches just need to admit too it.



Two outta three fights, SRR would beat Da Manny/3m.



Four outta five fights Money May would kicked SRR's arse.



Two outta three fights, Roberto Duran would have been beat and kayoed Money May.



Twice, Money May would've beat Hitman Hearns.



Styles make fights.



Seers see the what could be. Lookers get caught up with hype syet and go along to get along.



You can hook them on any illusion and inattentional blindness. They tribe up and follow each other off a cliff like the pack of rats did the flute-playing pied piper of Idiotville. I ain't hatin' 'em. But I see -- not look -- and think for myself.



Me? I came in on a different plane.



tRoast, the long running of the make-belief, untouchable greatness of SRR comes up every year, and it is just dead wrong that he was less flawless in and outta the squared jungle than any other pug. Holla!

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brownsugar:

An intriguing and evenly match fight....should be good. Jr never impressed me like his father did. Maybe he's found a way to unlock some hidden potential.

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brownsugar:

"I dont buy it my friend.



Lots of people boycotted this ppv because of Floyds poor choice in downplaying the severity of Ray Rice knocking out his woman.



They would rather keep their money than give it to Floyd, not even worrying about seeing him pay for his words."




Things are not always as they seem. I think people were also offended at the way Floyd was tossed under the bus by the media.



Its obvious that somebody was watching ... As evident by the increase in subscriptions during fight day.



As far as Ray Rice is concerned ... The NFL Players union is trying to appeal Goodel's decision to indefinitely suspend Rice. Because penalising a person twice for the same offence obstructs "due process"



Personally I don't care... But its happening.



Also there is backlash from Jim Lampleys Boxing Show.

Many still remember when Lampley plead guilty in 2007 to domestic violence and served 3 years probation along with 40 hour community service.



I don't think the country is a nation of blind sheep following the beat of a single drummer.



The police of Ferguson are supporting the cop who shot that teenager in cold blood while he had his hands raised in surrender. 5 million dollars have been raised for the cops defense even though there is clear footage of the kid being gunned down.



Who is donating all the money to a cause that spawned riots and left many in shock. I wouldn't think 5 million dollars in support would be possible ....but apparently it is.



Just saying .... Things are not so cut and dried. Not as many viewers were as deterred as it was initially predicted.



I respect your opinion of course.



However there are many dynamics at work in this instance.

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the Roast:

I never heard of this Billy Joe guy but after watching the video I like his attitude. You got to love the grudge angle, a real grudge for whatever the reason, not something forced to sell the fight.

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stormcentre:

Ezzard Charles was baaaad man.

Him and are Archie Moore are easily 2 of my favourite (and 2 of the ATG) fighters.

Check out Archie's KO ratio and absolute numbers, and who both Moore and Charles fought, if anyone wonders why.

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the Roast:

This is one of the longest running fights in TSS history. Radam G vs the legend of SRR being the best fighter of all time. I saw this article come up this morning after the Commish had made the first comment. I didn't have time to post but I would have said, "Cue Radam saying SRR was not the best ever and that he ducked the Black Murderers Row in 3,2,1..."

Tell me RG, who wins the dream fight and how at 147, Da Manny or SRR???

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stormcentre:

Volatile fight . . . firecracker thrown into a petroleum refinement plant.

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The Good Doctor:

Tarver can say all he wants, that dude is fighting for loot. He is in to Haymon for 300K. He lost most of his purse from the Kayode fight because he got popped for PED's as well.

His name will carry him far enough to get a shot but I think anybody with half a pulse will beat him. He could not beat a below average fighter in Kayode when he was on the juice. No way is he competitive with Banks, Mitchell, Haye, Vlad or any heavyweight of any merit.

I could see him getting fed to Anthony Joshua. The fight could make both of them some decent cash, plus it will give Joshua some recognition. I think Joshua would beat the brakes off of him.

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Radam G:

That "birdy" must be a small-brained dodo birdy with a short-term memory.



Knuckleheads were fibbing that Mayweather-Maidana I did a mil or 1.2mil -- whichever fib you wanted to believe. Now it is 900thou. And this Mayweather-Maidana II now mysteriously did more than 925thou, more than the first dance.



And it was not expected to do more than 700thou, because that is probably what it did.



Somebody ought to cut da crap. These bigwig inflators think between the ears ev'ybodee and dey momma have a gap. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"I loved those boxing trunks. They took us from the era of plain black & white trunks to a flashier era. If I'm correct, I think Hector "Macho" Camacho began a whole new era with his totally outlandish, colorful, wild designs.

Yes, the drawing depicted SRL in the black trunks he wore in the "No Mas" fight. The trunks he actually wore in the first fight against Hearns were white with a red waistband. Hearns also wore white trunks that night.

-Randy G."


Yep, Hector "Macho" Camacho was one of the early ones to wear (the previously laughed at) tights underneath, and other various designs that strayed from the norm.

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SouthPawFlo:

Idk if that number is true or not, but if it is I think it has more to do with Chino than Mayweather...



After how close the first fight was a lot of people really felt that Chino would be able to do a little more in the 2nd, and the All access showing Robert G. Trying to tweak certain things definitely helped... Maidana is a bonafide star after his Broner Beatdown and his good performance in his first fight, also they did a 5 city media tour for this one and the fans were definitely cheering on Chino, even in the Crowd at the fight it seemed to be more fighters rooting for Chino....





People really wanna see Floyd Lose and obviously they're willing to pay $75 to see it live on PPV.

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SouthPawFlo:

I thought this was a post about PPV buys, and I asked a question about PPV Buys, I didn't comment on anything else other than what the post was about....







Who I like as a fighter really has nothi to do with the topic, this isn't a who's your favorite fighter thread is it????

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amayseng:

Floyd is a fantastic boxer, but he is not in my top 25

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amayseng:

"Sometimes being a big illiterate dummy can pay off in America...... Only in America."

I dont buy it my friend.

Lots of people boycotted this ppv because of Floyds poor choice in downplaying the severity of Ray Rice knocking out his woman.

They would rather keep their money than give it to Floyd, not even worrying about seeing him pay for his words.

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brownsugar:

Sometimes being a big illiterate dummy can pay off in America...... Only in America.

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brownsugar:

To piggy back off what Shadow was saying earlier (and i do believe Shadow is secretly employed by tsAH... LOL...) indicators suggest a 20% increase in DISHTV (used by many hispanics)subscriptions and an increase in DirectTV and ATT subscriptions.

There is a smoking gun that can validate the unusually high buy rate.

As I said earlier, I was astonished to see professional journalists blatantly accuse Mayweather publically on national television off of prior cases he'd already been tried for and or served sentencing for.......in addition to prematurely pronouncing him guilty in connection with the allegations levelled by Ms Jackson.

This extra media attention in addition to the poor choice of comments Floyd used to respond to questions regarding Ray Rice served to pique the interest of casual fans enough to drive up subscription rates and purchases.

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amayseng:

"You are so full of man luv of Money May. Talking about infactuation.

You better watch that. Luv like that has been known to make one cross dress and start showing up at Money May's events and writing him letters.

His big uglies may have to handle you. Holla!"


hahahahaah

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Radam G:

"Can someone tell me the last non Mayweather fight that topped 900,000 buys.


Any help would be greatly appreciated."


You are so full of man luv of Money May. Talking about infactuation.

You better watch that. Luv like that has been known to make one cross dress and start showing up at Money May's events and writing him letters.

His big uglies may have to handle you. Holla!

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SouthPawFlo:

Can someone tell me the last non Mayweather fight that topped 900,000 buys.





Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Radam G:

Just about all the fighters of Sugar Ray Robinson's fight days didn't see him the way all the boxing journalists did. And nowadays, 80-percent of the pugs don't see him as boxing journalists, fanboys, fanfaronades, groupies and go-alone-to-get tribes do.



After seeing him on film, it is not many boxers nowadays under 40 years old that believe SRR is the P4P GOAT.



You now have a seeing generation, more than just a looking and listening one. You may not believe what you see, but you see what you believe. And the brain plays tricks -- BIG ones -- on the lookers, not the seers.



A seer sees. A looker suffers from inattentional blindness.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN1NAiM55hU,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7hj_YC3j0



Holla!

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The Shadow:

"It would be far more informative to know Showtime's profit margin on Maidana episode 2.

That would give us more of an indication than straight PPV buys, which are most likely doctored.

I want to know how much money Showtime are making after everyone's been given their cut; whether it's as much as they were hoping to make off Floyd's back, and whether they have an issue with the amount they're making. OK they may be doing 950'000 PPV buys, but that's irrelevant until we know what they want/need for their profits."


They mostly make money off subscriptions. Tons of revenue but Showtime's cut is only like 5-7%.

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oubobcat:

I know its not a marquee card but still glad to see boxing on regular NBC this week. I wish we'd see more of it...maybe one day.

And buried in the Iron Mike press release is the return of Rod Salka. This time, he will actually be fighting a guy more his size.

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Radam G:

Typical! I'd not expect anything less. Tribal lines always stand over actuality of the reality. Holla!

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oubobcat:

Tarver still has hopes of getting a big fight at heavyweight and will probably get something in the not so distant future. I don't doubt the injury in this case as I think he believed, and probably correctly so, he could beat Banks and then start calling out the big names.

Personally, I think he is angling for Haye if and when Haye comes out of retirement. That would be one attention grabbing fight to say the least and I am sure Mr. Tarver would be well compensated (as would Mr. Haye).

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Kid Blast:

My top ten since 1944:



1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Willie Pep

3. Joe Louis

4. Eder Jofre

5. Muhammad Ali

6. Carlos Monzon

7. Sandy Saddler

8. Sugar Ray Leonard

9. Roberto Duran

10. Ezzard Charles

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