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Skibbz:

"Personally I'd love to see this fight. There is no way it can't be good. It would be a slugfest from the moment the opening bell sounds until the fight comes to a conclusion.

For Provodnikov, this fight makes a ton of sense. As we saw in the Algieri fight, Herrera fight and some in the Bradley fight, anyone who gives him movement can have success. Rios though prefers to slug and even if he tried to box is not nearly as athletic or capable to do so as the three above fighters.

For Rios, this fight makes little sense. Provodnikov is relentless and will be pouring on the pressure and punches from the opening bell. This is the kind of fight that could take a lot out of a fighter like Rios. Rios is better off targeting someone else at this point in his career. One fight for example that makes a lot more sense for him right now would be a rubber match against Mike Alvarado."


It would be a great fight for Provodnikov and I think it would be just as good for Rios. He can display his courage to his fans and everyone watching (almost everyone watching) will be on the edge of their seats because every punch could be the final blow.

I'd really like to a determined effort by Ruslan to go to the body... Rios is at home when his brainbox is steeped in treacle so to take him out I think you've got to sink him with torpedos to his body. Target the liver!

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brownsugar:

Ive only followed Stiverne for his last four fights.....

when I saw the two fights he had prior to the first Areola clash he looked like a walrus.... not physically but his body language was slow and lethargic. He seemed either unwilling or unable to turn up the intensity. In the end he won a very dull and uneventful fight against a journeyman.



Even though he won he left an impression of being just another lumbering mass of unmotivated flesh .......dubiously parading himself as another promising heavyweight.



Made me wonder why Don't King was making such a fuss over another unremarkable fighter.



When he fought Areola Stiverne was tremendously sharp and showed a wide range of skills that could only be described as " natural ".



This was in sharp contrast to his previous performance.



Stiverne may be the kind of fighter who only does enough to win.



But with the looming challenge of a pure puncher like Wilder you would think Stiverne wouldn't be susceptible to falling prey to the dreaded " Hatton " syndrome.



Hatton was a beast during his brief prime but lost the battle of self control and discipline to over-indulging in pints of Guiness and Fish & Chips.



Boxers who operate by the belief that they can undo the damage they've wrought on their physique by just working a little harder in camp are in full denial of greater underlying issues and are engaging in the success sapping practice of procrastination.



At 35 years of age Stiverne may find himself betrayed by the silent enemy known as father time.



Marvin Hagler always said the human body is only capable of performing well in a finite number of fights. And after you've exceeded the limit you can't go back.



Odlainier Solis and Mike Perez are two prime examples. Once they added the extra weight they could never get back in prime condition. In fact they just keep getting bigger in every outing. Trapped in thier own self fulfilling prophecy of indulgence.



Its only human nature but fighters are supposed to have the discipline to reject the urges that rule the regular guys.



We'll see how he looks as the fight draws nearer...hopefully Stiverne can overcome and return to form.



Thanks for the pre-pre training report.

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stormcentre:

Almost all, good comments in this thread.

Rigo is a smooth operator for sure, and only from a good defence can you have the best offence and choose where/when/how to take your mark down.

That's one reason why Rigo is a very cool boxer-technician.

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stormcentre:

Ditto - all the above.

There is no way it can't be good, and I personally have looked forward to it almost as much as a 3G V Froch, Kessler, Bika or Ward fight.

It will be a blood bath with mucho punches thrown in absolute spite.

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stormcentre:

"I don't think Trout will have much issue here with Dawson. Dawson is one of those guys who can beat the club level opponents but has struggled to compete generally when he has stepped up in competition.

I remember well Dawson's fight against Serhiy Dzinziruk some years ago. Dzinziruk completely out classed Dawson from the opening bell and made Dawson look like a very pedestrian fighter. Since then, Dawson has not beaten anyone of note and even had a loss and draw against fighters not nearly in the class of Trout. I think Trout takes care of business here relatively easy and puts his name back out there at Junior Middleweight."


That's a reasonable assessment of Dawson.

He is from Perth West Australia, pretty tough and durable, and he also has a kickboxing background.

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The Shadow:

"From the get-go,I had hoped 50 Cent would dive into boxing and make some noise. However, he didn't dive in--he eased his way in, one foot at a time.

Sure, he co-promoted events with the brilliant and successful Lou DiBella, but he never went after fighters to sign them the way others (Al Haymon, in particular) have.

Jay-Z, on the other hand, dove into the deep of the boxing pool right away. He hired two big guys to run Roc Nation and I have to believe his company is going to be heard from in a very positive and competitive light.

I am curious to see how Golden Boy, Top Rank, Mayweather Promotions and others handle the fast-charging Roc Nation promotions.

-Randy G."


I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather Promotions work directly with RN. Or maybe even become a farm system of sorts to RN's major league.

It's hard to say. I think Binkow and Dave (and Richie Rich) are in cahoots.

Could Roc Nation have been the mysterious group that put the offer in to buy Golden Boy Promotions?

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The Shadow:

"Funny, but when I mentioned Rigo as a Top-10 pound-for-pound fighter after his dominant victory over Nonito Donaire, my radio listeners--as well as my sidekick, Gerry Cooney--told me I was nuts. They said Rigo was as boring as boring could be. I didn't agree. I still don't.

He can slug, and do so bigtime. But when you can box the way he does, why slug???

$$$May boxes...plays defense...does the "Shoulder Roll"...covers up. Is he called boring? He is boxing's biggest attraction. What makes him so much more exciting than an artist like Rigo?

I think Roc Nation's going after Rigo was a brilliant move. They will make Top Rank grumble and talk to themselves, wondering why they didn't treat this incredible super-talent with any respect.

You haven't even seen the best of Willie Rigo.

Over the course of the next 12-18 months, you will.

-Randy G."


I absolutely agree.

It's just a bias to say he's boring. He doesn't run like Lara. He stands in front of you, boxes and moves. Just like Floyd. He's a counter puncher. Just like Floyd.

Rigo even fights behind the shoulder. Just like Floyd. So while he may not be Arturo Gatti, there is a definite contradiction there.

Randy, I had him a Top 10 P4P even before the Donaire (though lower Top 10 because I still had questions about whether theory and practice would align).

My eyes ain't lying. Those who disagreed with you, Commish, in the words of Mike Tyson, are just showing themselves to be "neophytes."

And I think the consensus is that now, with most reputable and knowledgeable analysts rating him anywhere from Top 5 to Top 2.

I consider Floyd Mayweather -- skill-for-skill, pound-for-pound -- one of the most gifted (not saying he's the greatest; different argument, different discussion), if not the most gifted, fighter of all time. That's how high I rate his skill set.

If you break down Mayweather's dimensions, he might be the most complete fighter ever. I don't think anyone in boxing history can outbox/out-think Mayweather.

Though I would favor Floyd due to physicality and greater knowledge of the pro game (ie. stealth filth) and superior inside fighting ability, I still think Rigo is competitive with him in a 12-round bout at welterweight.

In a six round fight with 10 oz gloves, Rigo edges him. In sparring with 16 oz gloves, he will embarrass him.

It's really a shame because back in the early 2000s, had Rigo been allowed to go pro as an Olympic gold medalist, we might have gotten to see that fight between two of the most naturally gifted fighters ever.

It's funny, in Cuba they consider him the best fighter that ever lived. Two-time Olympian champions bow before him.

I'm not even kidding.

That's all the endorsement I need.

This dude is the real deal. If Roc Nation gets him they may turn him into a star.

But let's not forget, Gamboa was one of the hottest guys out there when 50 got him. He was going to energize the urban audience supposedly and bring the BET demographics to boxing.

That didn't happen.

That said, Dave I. knows what the F he's doing. Though he's a capable business man and leader, 50 Cent was/is too hands on.

You need boxing guys running the show. And then again, what many don't know is that Rigo is a rapper.

This may be a ploy for Roc Nation to tap into the lucrative reggaeton market!

Primo Carnera for president.

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The Commish:

Funny, but when I mentioned Rigo as a Top-10 pound-for-pound fighter after his dominant victory over Nonito Donaire, my radio listeners--as well as my sidekick, Gerry Cooney--told me I was nuts. They said Rigo was as boring as boring could be. I didn't agree. I still don't.

He can slug, and do so bigtime. But when you can box the way he does, why slug???

$$$May boxes...plays defense...does the "Shoulder Roll"...covers up. Is he called boring? He is boxing's biggest attraction. What makes him so much more exciting than an artist like Rigo?

I think Roc Nation's going after Rigo was a brilliant move. They will make Top Rank grumble and talk to themselves, wondering why they didn't treat this incredible super-talent with any respect.

You haven't even seen the best of Willie Rigo.

Over the course of the next 12-18 months, you will.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"I thought Porter was going to blow through Brook in the later rounds, but I was wrong. After watching some footage of the fight it was clear that Porter's bull like style was ineffective and he was doing himself a disfavor with his sloppy offense. Brook kept it simple with basic combinations and tied up the wild Porter. Time to see him against the other top welters!"


Hey, CC...Are you still in the NY area?

I thought Porter would win. My head said so, and so did my heart.

But as the fight wore on, I glanced at my scorecard and saw that I had Brook by a slight margin. I likened the fight to a welterweight version of Ali-Frazier II, where Smokin' Joe came bulling in, would get tagged with a one-two, then wrapped up by Ali. Then they'd start over again.

Porter had no clue what to do with the one-two-clinch, one-two-clinch. This wasn't Paulie Malignaggi in there, a gifted boxer minus the raw strength and power. Brook showed us much more than most of us ever thought he possessed.

Porter will be back, but I am wondering if he will be able to tell his dad "Pops, I love you, but I need to bring on another trainer."

If he can do that, and brings on the right person, he may be able to come ALL the way back. If he can't, his first trip to the mountain peak may have been his last.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"I agree with you, Shadow, but I really would like to see two of history's greatest amateurs--Rigo & V-Lo--go head-to-head as professional world champions. A more intriguing matchup I cannot think of.



-Randy G."




I agree. On paper anyway.



But not in reality.



Like I've said in these here parts before, they will not let that guy within 10 miles of the Cuban for one single, simple reason:



If they ever square off Lomachenko will retire and become a Zumba trainer in Kiev.



He may not take a brutal beatdown, but the psychological damage will be catastrophical as well as permanent.



His team as well as his promoter know that.



But the thought is still extremely intriguing!



The two best amateurs of all time squaring off for the pro belts.



Unfortunately that's the only place it will take place -- in our minds.

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The Commish:

From the get-go,I had hoped 50 Cent would dive into boxing and make some noise. However, he didn't dive in--he eased his way in, one foot at a time.

Sure, he co-promoted events with the brilliant and successful Lou DiBella, but he never went after fighters to sign them the way others (Al Haymon, in particular) have.

Jay-Z, on the other hand, dove into the deep of the boxing pool right away. He hired two big guys to run Roc Nation and I have to believe his company is going to be heard from in a very positive and competitive light.

I am curious to see how Golden Boy, Top Rank, Mayweather Promotions and others handle the fast-charging Roc Nation promotions.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Nah. Rigo Ortiz doesn't lose to anyone under 135 ever. EVER.

I understand where MCM is coming from but the thing is this: Donaire can't sustain that aggression for a full round vs. Rigo, let alone a full fight.

Donaire just ran out like a madman, blew his load, caught Rigo slippin' in an unfamiliar situation.

Nevertheless, about a minute later, Rigo had turned the round back into the same hypnotic snake charmer exercise.

People are intrigued by the fact that Leo Santa Claus throws 176 punches per round.

Only thing is he won't against Rigo, not if he knows what's good for him.

Now, he may try the first round but once he gets a taste of that sharp nuclear/scalpel left hand delivered with the surgical precision of Cher's doctor -- not to mention with the impact of a 2x4 -- this dude Leo will put his gun back in his holster and try to survive just like Joseph Agbeko.

If he doesn't, he will get starched in three. He will realize this. So he won't.

We may start calling Rigo Johnny T. because it will be a reprise of "Get Leo."

Again, no one beats Rigo. Not Gamboa, not Lomachenko, not Garcia not Donaire."


I agree with you, Shadow, but I really would like to see two of history's greatest amateurs--Rigo & V-Lo--go head-to-head as professional world champions. A more intriguing matchup I cannot think of.

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"You can see Rigo beaten? By whom, MCM?



-Randy G."




Nah. Rigo Ortiz doesn't lose to anyone under 135 ever. EVER.



I understand where MCM is coming from but the thing is this: Donaire can't sustain that aggression for a full round vs. Rigo, let alone a full fight.



Donaire just ran out like a madman, blew his load, caught Rigo slippin' in an unfamiliar situation.



Nevertheless, about a minute later, Rigo had turned the round back into the same hypnotic snake charmer exercise.



People are intrigued by the fact that Leo Santa Claus throws 176 punches per round.



Only thing is he won't against Rigo, not if he knows what's good for him.



Now, he may try the first round but once he gets a taste of that sharp nuclear/scalpel left hand delivered with the surgical precision of Cher's doctor -- not to mention with the impact of a 2x4 -- this dude Leo will put his gun back in his holster and try to survive just like Joseph Agbeko.



If he doesn't, he will get starched in three. He will realize this. So he won't.



We may start calling Rigo Johnny T. because it will be a reprise of "Get Leo."



Again, no one beats Rigo. Not Gamboa, not Lomachenko, not Garcia not Donaire.

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The Commish:

I will be on the phone Wednesday morning with Main Events to see if the date is locked in. With Barclays backing out of the picture, we now know where the fight will be--Atlantic City. We just don't know the date. It will either be November 1 or November 8. I am hearing the 8th.

I am planning on heading down either the night before (if I can pre-record my Friday SiriusXM show) or head down the first thing Saturday morning.

I am hoping a bunch of you can make it to A.C., as well.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"If this goes through, look for Rigo to fight almost exclusively at the Barclays Center.

But does he have enough to be Barclays' first great star and so elevate the arena to the constellations of boxing history?

He's got fast hands and slippery shoulders, but if Donaire uses his chin and fights twelve rounds with the same strategy he fought with in R 11, could he take down Rigo in a future rematch? I think Rigo's small stature could betray him as it betrayed Gamboa against Crawford.

I like Rigo, but I could see him beaten.

Whatever happens in his career, it'll probably happen at Barclays."


You can see Rigo beaten? By whom, MCM?

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"I don't know if I personally trust JayZ.... I don't even own a single CD recorded by JayZ ..Beyonce or any of the groups listed under his musical production company.
But I do trust his track record. And I believe that he's driven to achieve and excel

He out bid Golden Boy 1.9 million to 1.2 million. So I believe he has the resources to do pretty
much what he wants.

I think he's going to bring some extraordinary bouts to the city that doesn't sleep"


The question is will he stick with it though?

Curtis has a great record as far as being successful in other ventures and look how he promoted. terribly

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MCM:

If this goes through, look for Rigo to fight almost exclusively at the Barclays Center.



But does he have enough to be Barclays' first great star and so elevate the arena to the constellations of boxing history?



He's got fast hands and slippery shoulders, but if Donaire uses his chin and fights twelve rounds with the same strategy he fought with in R 11, could he take down Rigo in a future rematch? I think Rigo's small stature could betray him as it betrayed Gamboa against Crawford.



I like Rigo, but I could see him beaten.



Whatever happens in his career, it'll probably happen at Barclays.

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brownsugar:

I don't know if I personally trust JayZ.... I don't even own a single CD recorded by JayZ ..Beyonce or any of the groups listed under his musical production company.
But I do trust his track record. And I believe that he's driven to achieve and excel

He out bid Golden Boy 1.9 million to 1.2 million. So I believe he has the resources to do pretty
much what he wants.

I think he's going to bring some extraordinary bouts to the city that doesn't sleep

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oubobcat:

I don't think Trout will have much issue here with Dawson. Dawson is one of those guys who can beat the club level opponents but has struggled to compete generally when he has stepped up in competition.

I remember well Dawson's fight against Serhiy Dzinziruk some years ago. Dzinziruk completely out classed Dawson from the opening bell and made Dawson look like a very pedestrian fighter. Since then, Dawson has not beaten anyone of note and even had a loss and draw against fighters not nearly in the class of Trout. I think Trout takes care of business here relatively easy and puts his name back out there at Junior Middleweight.

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oubobcat:

This actually would be a very interesting and competitive fight. It doesn't look like though its going to happen right away but possible sometime down the road in 2015. Funny thing is both are running out of potential opponents so this makes sense from both a rivalry factor and out of necessity. As a matter of fact, as long as the fight is somewhat competitive and interesting they will probably be fighting each other more than once.

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oubobcat:

Personally I'd love to see this fight. There is no way it can't be good. It would be a slugfest from the moment the opening bell sounds until the fight comes to a conclusion.

For Provodnikov, this fight makes a ton of sense. As we saw in the Algieri fight, Herrera fight and some in the Bradley fight, anyone who gives him movement can have success. Rios though prefers to slug and even if he tried to box is not nearly as athletic or capable to do so as the three above fighters.

For Rios, this fight makes little sense. Provodnikov is relentless and will be pouring on the pressure and punches from the opening bell. This is the kind of fight that could take a lot out of a fighter like Rios. Rios is better off targeting someone else at this point in his career. One fight for example that makes a lot more sense for him right now would be a rubber match against Mike Alvarado.

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Radam G:

"boxing's version of "Demolition Derby."





Both guys can't stand opponents who move on them. Both guys love it when opponents come right at them.





Maybe this fight should be new combat sports BKB's first PPV event.





I'd pay to see it.





I hope the fight can/will be made...in a ring, in the Pit or in a phone booth.





Just make it!





-Randy G."




Hehehe! You got jokes. I've not seen "a phone booth" since the teen years. And that was on movie sets. Phone booths are extinct. I Skyped some of my younger Fil-Am, Fil-Mex and Fil-Can cousins and asked them about phone booths in North America. They made my 30-$omething-arse feel like the oldest dude on the planet.



In history books, museums, old Flintstone cartoons and old movies are the only places that they have seen phone booths.



WTF! Now I know how my granny was feeling when my then 7-year-old arse told her that her fancy "dialing" phone was broke. It was so odd that it appeared like 30 seconds to minutes for every number to finish circular dialing. In the 1980$ and 1990$, if the phone didn't have quickie-push buttons, it was ancient technology that got on the last nerve of the instantaneously generation X-Y.



Times are a changing. I can't wait for the first bout on the moon or in Mars. And youngans at that time will be laughing at my old arse reminiscing about the fights at casinos, arenas and stadiums on planet Earth. Holla!

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amayseng:

I would not trust Jay-Z as far as I could throw him.

He is a phony for sure.

Although I do have and like some of his earlier albums, he just is not a genuine person.

I don't see him hanging in there with boxing.

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Froggy:

Good idea ! Roach will have two of his guys get decisive victories on the same card !

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Carmine Cas:

I thought Porter was going to blow through Brook in the later rounds, but I was wrong. After watching some footage of the fight it was clear that Porter's bull like style was ineffective and he was doing himself a disfavor with his sloppy offense. Brook kept it simple with basic combinations and tied up the wild Porter. Time to see him against the other top welters!

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amayseng:

Make this fight and put it on the Pac Algeri undercard and you have solid PPV sales

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Carmine Cas:

I think Jay Z's involvement in boxing is good for the sport, it will inject the much needed mainstream attention to boxing. But we do not need another promotional company. But as BSUG alluded too, I think Jay Z will push for the bigger fights and possibly seek unification within the sport.

But personally I am not a fan of jay, I always found him to be phony.

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amayseng:

Although NYC is crazy expensive I love the place and was looking forward to hitting the local bar with you guys after the fight....
Atlantic City will do just fine though.

Commish please let me know asap when you know when tickets for the event go for sale.
thanks

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amayseng:

Well done, keep it up and make it known this is what is EXPECTED out of a multimillionaire athlete. We all need to do our part whether you are making 40g a year or 40 million a fight. A little here and there can help more than most people realize.

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Radam G:

"We should be proud of $$$May for doing this. I don't see many other high-profile, big name athletes stepping up and doing this kind of thing.

It's stories like this that truly make me proud to be involved in the sport of boxing.

-Randy G."


There are many "high-profile, big name athletes" doing this throughout the USA mainland and the world. Mad props go to Money May regardless though. Holla!

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