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ArneK.:

It may help Jennings that his last outing was with another southpaw.

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The Shadow:

"On the topic of illegal substances, Her Majesty's horse, Estimate, tested positive for Morphine..."

Lol I thought you were being a complete smartass with that comment by using some sort of British saying. Turns out it's true! Hahaha...

Even the Queen of the British Empire is in the doping loop! Who woulda thunk it?!

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The Shadow:

"Bernie is also a diehard Travis Walker fan, always asking "When is Travis Walker going to get a big fight?" Despite having lost his last five fights, maybe we can get a Fury-Walker fight made, just for Bernie!

-Randy G."


Hahahaha that's hilarious! I don't even know who Travis Walker is! But surely it would be a good scrap. Get Pirog as the ref.

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The Shadow:

WOW! Storm, that is an amazing, high-level breakdown of this stuff. How are you so knowledgable about this? This is scientific dissertation level information! Incredible!

Pease give me some time before I can read and comprehend it all... Thanks for sharing this.

It certainly makes sense why he would get so cocky. He undoubtedly thought he was above the system. Me I understand why you questioned that other poster as well who wrote a bit about VADA.

Also, those quotes from the article I listed were from MEMO HEREDIA!! That is something he went on the record to say - granted, in another country - and then he suddenly comes back to boxing with a desire to clean it up.

Which is certainly plausible. Except his main fighter suddenly grows bulging deltoids, acne pops up all over his back and he suddenly brutally floors Manny Pacquiao twice in six rounds.

What I found interesting about the first knockdown in December of 2012 is that in 2011, Marquez landed the exact same punch (overhand right) in the exact same spot in the ring with the EXACT same setup and the EXACT same impact in the third fight.

Unlike the third fight, this time Pacquiao fell like a sack of potatoes, as if he had been shot. (On a pure skill level -- which is almost irrelevant in highs is discussion -- this is indeed a testament to how much better of a craftsman Marquez is, which nullified Pacquiao's athletic advantages and thus created an equal matchup.)

Now Marquez is a puncher, a razor-sharp one. But he's not heavy-handed, at least not by all accounts.

But he is doing this to a guy he has never floored before -- the same dude who took bombs from Miguel Cotto, got his eardrum punctured, his neck snapped...... And not a damn thing happened! He didn't even slow down! Or as Paulie Malignaggi said, he "walked through Cotto's punches like they were spit!"

He just continued walking this thunderous puncher down with reckless abandon. Yet Marquez brutally floors him, sends him on Queer Street in the very next round and then knocks him unconscious after that.

Now if a former proud cheater like MH pretends to want to clean up a sport and his poster boy is a guy who does the aforementioned to a guy with THAT kind of punch resistance?!

Come on.

Storm, I'll try to digest it all and I'll get back to you. Unbelievable stuff. Especially how people will turn their blind eye to it.

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deepwater2:

I have no pick in this fight. I've seen both fight live in NY. I was really impressed each time. Perez vs Magomed was a brutal tough fight where Perez came out on top. Jennings surprised me big time with his win over Szpilka. This card should be exciting from top to bottom.

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Radam G:

"Radam, I cannot disagree because I was not there. However, all of the info I have comes straight from the Sugarman's mouth. He said all of this in an interview a few years ago. Now could he be sensationalizing? Ehhh..........maybe, but I don't know what purpose he would have in doing that."

My good doctor, you can go on to Boxrec and pull up the reality of the actuality. Sugar Ray Leonard was being facetious. Boxers are some facetious jivers. I bet the interviewer knew that Ray was bulljiving.

He fought in 10oz gloves in 20-foot ring. I've been to all of the Sugarman's homes. And I've saw the original gloves that he fought the Marvelous One with.

The truths in boxing are already surrounded by a bodyguard of myths and facetious double jive. Unless the boxer is saying "This is on da real," he is probably being cute and facetious. Holla!

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oubobcat:

I like Jennings in this one.

One factor to look at are the recent fights of Jennings and Perez. Jennings has been in with solid pros and come away with pretty impressive wins. He also did not take a lot of punishment in those fights. Perez took a lot of punches in his most recent fights. I am not saying Perez is shopworn but those fights had to take something out of him. We don't know how much exactly and won't know until he steps in the ring Saturday.

I also think Jennings is improving as a fighter each time out. He was a late starter to the sport but is athletic and honing his skills with each outing. He last fight in January was against his toughest opponent to date and also his best performance to date. I expect to see continued strides from Jennings in this fight.

Its going to be a solid heavyweight fight. I think Jennings is going to ultimately prevail and set himself up for bigger things in the heavyweight division.

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The Good Doctor:

"Sounds like a bunch of myths and boxing tales again. Boxers and ex-boxers in da hizouse holla out the reality of the actuality. Or next, there will be stories of fighters getting down with it in negotiated 20oz gloves.

Maybe somebody is going to say that Rev. (Big) George Foreman had on 40oz gloves against GOAT Ali in "The Rumble in the Jungle" because Big Rev. hit so hard. Holla!"


Radam, I cannot disagree because I was not there. However, all of the info I have comes straight from the Sugarman's mouth. He said all of this in an interview a few years ago. Now could he be sensationalizing? Ehhh..........maybe, but I don't know what purpose he would have in doing that.

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Froggy:

I thought Hagler handed the first four rounds to Leonard before he finally started to fight like Hagler ! I still think Hagler won the fight after giving away the first four rounds ! Also, does anyone remember how many warnings Leonard got for low blows without losing a point ?

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amayseng:

Thanks for the Info guys.


Damn that fight still irks me Commish I can only imagine Hagler.

Hagler and Duran were my dads favorite fighters, I grew up watching those guys at a very young age....




Question. Who do you think really won the fight Hagler or SRL?


The controversy lies in effective punching for Hagler vs SRL flashy ineffective spurts...


Thoughts?

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ArneK.:

Tyrone Everett. How sad. Shot dead by his girlfriend 10 days after his last fight. Took a 36-1 record to the grave when he should have been undefeated. Everyone on press row scored the fight for Everett. The Associated Press guy had it 11-4. It wasn't surprising that the Puerto Rican judge favored his countryman, but how could the Philadelphia judge see it that way too?

The one horrible decision that sticks out in my mind was Ossie Ocasio's majority decision over Dwight Muhammad Qawi. I had the fight scored 9-1 for Qawi. My friend Herb "Herbie Hoops" Lambeck -- maybe the most knowledgeable boxing guy in Vegas back then -- scored it the same way. What makes it more incomprehensible was that the two judges that scored the fight for Ocasio were two of the best judges in the city.

I'll say this in their defense. How you see a fight depends in large part on where you are seated and the judges had a better view of the action.

That's the worst moment for a ring announcer: When he knows that the crowd will go ballistic after he finishes reading off the scores. Some in the audience act as if the ring announcer was part of the conspiracy. Been there.

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Skibbz:

Hahahaha that made me chuckle good. I don't blame him either commissioner, it was the right tactic and it took him so close to the finish. I think he, as well as almost everyone else who fought Duran before 60 fights, believed that after 9 or 10 Duran would fade and you would have opportunities to shoot at him. Unfortunately they all found out that Roberto could punch all the way to the finish without lightening up on the power. What a fighter.

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Skibbz:

"I don't know if its real or not. Any X-rays or medical report released? Sparring 1 week before a fight is risky to say the least. Either way Fury already beat up Chisora so I like this fight better."

Spot on D2. It smells a bit too much for me, if we don't get anything concrete i'll believe Chisora became shook of Fury.

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Radam G:

"In an interview Marvelous Marvin Hagler did with me for the MSG Network right before he went into serious negotiations for the fight against Leonard, Hagler disclosed to me just how positive he was he would beat Leonard.

"Like bigger gloves. Like a bigger ring. Like 12 rounds instead of 15." Then he looked at me and said, "Ray thinks all of that will matter. It won't. I will knock him out the first time I land hard."

That was Haqgler's mistake, thinking he could take Leonard right out. So, he gave into bigger gloves, a bigger ring and a cut from 15 to 12 rounds. His complacent attitude, along with a complacent fight style which allowed Leonard to dominate and win the first six rounds, cost Hagler the fight.

I spent time with Hagler in 2013 at the IBHOF Induction Weekend. The loss to Leonard still irks him.

Leonard won the negotiations and with them, won the fight.

-Randy G."


Those biggers gloves were 10oz Reyes. One of Ray's cousins in the P-Islands just confirmed it to. And I also looked at the negotiations. They are in Boxrec. Holla!

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deepwater2:

I don't know if its real or not. Any X-rays or medical report released? Sparring 1 week before a fight is risky to say the least. Either way Fury already beat up Chisora so I like this fight better.

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oubobcat:

"Watch the videos on him, guys. A bunch of us were watching some videos of Ustinov. Whew!

Fury should have target practice!

-Randy G."


I don't doubt that Fury will have some target practice. But I also think Ustinov is just going to go for it early. He took the fight on short notice and I would not be surprised if he comes out guns a blazing trying for the KO early thinking he has no intention for this fight to long anyway.

Back in October, I made the drive to Atlantic City for the Hopkins-Murat card. I got their in time for the weigh in Friday which was open to the public. On the undercard, Deontay Wilder was fighting Nicolai Firtha. I am from northeast Ohio and so is Firtha. I had actually seen him fight locally some. So I went over and introduced myself to him after the proceedings. First thing, he was surprised I had seen him fight live before and been to some of the small shows he fought on here in Ohio. Firtha then started opening up more about the fight and his strategy. He told me that he knew not many were giving him a chance but that he was going for it and going for it early. He specifically told me he would jump on Wilder when the opening bell rang. Before I finished the conversation, the last thing he said to me was there is no way this fight gets passed the 4th round. Well he did go for it, did jump on Wilder when the opening bell rang and made things exciting for the length of the fight. And was stopped in the 4th round by Wilder.

I would guess that Ustinov has a very similar approach to this fight with Fury as Firtha did that night in Atlantic City.

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The Commish:

Deep: Don't you believe Chisora has a busted hand? If he had claimed a sore throat or cold, I would have said he punked out. But I believe it when he said his hand is broken.

Fury-Ustinov should be fun to watch on replay.

Fury by late round TKO.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

In an interview Marvelous Marvin Hagler did with me for the MSG Network right before he went into serious negotiations for the fight against Leonard, Hagler disclosed to me just how positive he was he would beat Leonard.

"I would say that the only advantage Leonard has over me is hand speed," Hagler admitted. "But he's not a better boxer, he won't be able to hurt me, he won't be able to take my shots and he certainly isn't going to outpunch me or outfight me on the inside. There is nothing Ray can do to win this fight."

When we had gone off the air, Hagler told me, "Ray is asking for all kinds of concessions to make the fight."

"Like what?" I asked.

"Like bigger gloves. Like a bigger ring. Like 12 rounds instead of 15." Then he looked at me and said, "Ray thinks all of that will matter. It won't. I will knock him out the first time I land hard."

That was Haqgler's mistake, thinking he could take Leonard right out. So, he gave into bigger gloves, a bigger ring and a cut from 15 to 12 rounds. His complacent attitude, along with a complacent fight style which allowed Leonard to dominate and win the first six rounds, cost Hagler the fight.

I spent time with Hagler in 2013 at the IBHOF Induction Weekend. The loss to Leonard still irks him.

While he refused to admit it, I have a feeling he would have started a lot faster in round one--and stayed at that pace--had he known what the final outcome would be by fighting at a slower, more complacent and relaxed pace.

Leonard won the negotiations and with them, won the fight.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"From what I understand, it was not that SRL would not fight without 12oz gloves, it was that it was a part of the package that he and Hagler made. Hagler got a larger share of the purse but SRL in exchange for that got a 24 X 24 ring, 12oz gloves, and 12 rounds not 15.

A little know fact is that prior to the fight even being arranged, Ray Leonard had sparred with 14oz gloves. When he watched the Hagler v. Mugabi fight, Ray Leonard thought that Hagler would have trouble with speed so he decided that if he should get 12oz gloves he could be even faster. In his opinion, Hagler was being outboxed by a slugger and looked very sluggish."


Sounds like a bunch of myths and boxing tales again. Boxers and ex-boxers in da hizouse holla out the reality of the actuality. Or next, there will be stories of fighters getting down with it in negotiated 20oz gloves.

Maybe somebody is going to say that Rev. (Big) George Foreman had on 40oz gloves against GOAT Ali in "The Rumble in the Jungle" because Big Rev. hit so hard. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Ustinov might cause a problem as a last minute replacement. He is slow but has huge right hand. I think Tyson Fury can be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and even though he is rusty should KO Ustinov. This is not an easy last minute replacement so Fury has to be commended for this selection. Fury could of picked out a bum and no one would have complained. Ustinov might present some big problems before he gets beaten to a pulp. I wonder if Fury will sing after the fight? Haye and Chisora should be ashamed for pulling out against Fury.

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Radam G:

"I was reading some Hagler history and I came across an article stating that SRL would only fight in 12 oz gloves and that is what they did.





Anyone know if this is legit?"




That article is FOS! They fought in 10oz that was negotiated from 8oz. Matter of fact, I've personally laid eyes on the gloves.



What the authors of fibbing articles don't give a rat's @$$ about is that the boxers are given the gloves after the fights for keepsakes. Matter of fact -- now that I think of it -- the darn fighters pay for the gloves. So they are yours.



You have to holla at the Commish on this one. Every commission is different. But so it won't be any obvious cheating going on, the corrupted commissions charge you for everything that they provide. Only the prelim fighters -- without pull -- get free syet. And the gloves are taken back.



The Commish and I will be going at it mano-i-mano when his book "The Glove Affair" comes out. Holla!

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The Commish:

Watch the videos on him, guys. A bunch of us were watching some videos of Ustinov. Whew!

Fury should have target practice!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

With the Fury-Chisora fight off because of Chisora breakng a hand in sparring, the Bryant Jennings-Mike Perez fight becomes the heavyweight matchup of the month.

If Mike Perez returns to his pre-Mago Abdusalamov form, this fight can go either way. If he fights the way he did against Carlos Takam earlier this year, Jennings will win.

The question on Saturday night will be "Which Mike Perez will show up?"

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

I will say this, credit to Fury for taking on a dangerous opponent. I am really surprised that Ustinov.

My guess would be Ustinov will be dangerous early. He is a big heavyweight and can punch some. Who knows what kind of shape he is in as well? He may just throw caution to the wind early, especially knowing Fury has been hurt several times and dropped before. This could be wildly exciting early. I wonder is there is any hope that AWE may reconsider and air this card now that Ustinov has been chosen as the opponent.

If I were a betting man (and generally I am not), I would consider laying a few bucks on Ustinov to win at 6-1 or so and if offered may lay a few bucks on him to KO Fury in rounds 1-3. This is not saying I'd pick him but it'd be a small risk for a potential nice payout.

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The Commish:

Ustinov is a Bealrus version of Primo Carnera, the lumbering heavyweight champion from the pre-Joe Louis era. He is close to 6'8" and weighs in right around 300 pounds (he has fought at over that weight). His punches are painfully slow and on his feet he moves like a sloth.

Fury will be way too quick for him in both the foot speed and hand speed departments. Unless Fury comes into the fight suffering both physical and mental breakdowns, he cannot and will not lose to Ustinov.

I'm not sure what it says about Kubrat Pulev (Wlad Klitschko's next opponent and the man who handed Ustinov his only career loss in September 2012), but it took him 11 rounds to stop "The Sloth." Until the end came in the 11th, Pulev had won all previous 10 rounds on one card, nine on another and eight on another, hitting Ustinov with solid shots along the way.

-Randy G.

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The Good Doctor:

"I was reading some Hagler history and I came across an article stating that SRL would only fight in 12 oz gloves and that is what they did.


Anyone know if this is legit?"


From what I understand, it was not that SRL would not fight without 12oz gloves, it was that it was a part of the package that he and Hagler made. Hagler got a larger share of the purse but SRL in exchange for that got a 24 X 24 ring, 12oz gloves, and 12 rounds not 15.

A little know fact is that prior to the fight even being arranged, Ray Leonard had sparred with 14oz gloves. When he watched the Hagler v. Mugabi fight, Ray Leonard thought that Hagler would have trouble with speed so he decided that if he should get 12oz gloves he could be even faster. In his opinion, Hagler was being outboxed by a slugger and looked very sluggish.

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dino da vinci:

What are his chances of winning?

50-50

Either he will or he won't.

:0

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The Commish:

I will tell Ray Mancini that. He will be in-studio with me & Cooney this Friday.

And Skibbz, I do recall how Bizzaro tried to turn his fight vs. Duran into the "Lou Bizzaro Invitational Track Meet." I don't blame him. He was no puncher, and certainly was not going to throw down with the ruthless young Duran.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Bernie is also a diehard Travis Walker fan, always asking "When is Travis Walker going to get a big fight?" Despite having lost his last five fights, maybe we can get a Fury-Walker fight made, just for Bernie!

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

"My wife and I may be headed up there in the next couple of months. Now that I know about the place, I'll be sure to stop in.

Lou Bizzaro. He went into the fight against Duran sporting an undefeated record. In front of a hometown crowd, Bizzaro did himself proud against the vicious, 25-year-old lightweight champ before Duran's thudding shots got him out of there with seconds remaining in the 14th round.

Is Bizzaro's place a diner, bobcat? An Italian restaurant? Doesn't matter. If I'm there, I'm going!

-Randy G."


Its a quaint older little place. The best way to describe it as a small Italian diner. I was with my wife and she wanted to go stop by Presque (not the Casino but the state park a few exits from the casino). Anyway, driving down to the park you pass the restaurant. I actually went passed it and turned around insisting that we stop in for lunch. We were there on a Friday afternoon and were one of two sets of customers in the place. I was able to walk around and take in all that was on display.

What I loved about it was the walls are covered with boxing pictures, posters, etc and they were all primarily from the 70's and early 80's. It was kind of like stepping back in time and taking a tour of the sport from the 70's and early 80's. Actually when you first walk in, there is a huge 80's poster of Ray Mancini that really catches the eye. As a boxing fan, I absolutely loved it and the food was not too bad either.

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