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brownsugar:

"Dude was 173 last night. He cut weight to fight at 165 as an amateur. He's not that small of a middleweight. By comparison, Andre Ward was 176 when he beat then-light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson, who came in at 185.



(Yes, Ward fought at 178 in the Olympics but only because the US team had Andre Dirrell at 165 and Ward was the one skilled enough to beat up on the bigger dudes.)



Ward's lawyer told Jim Lampley yesterday that Ward is ready, willing and able to get into the ring with Golovkin anytime, anywhere.



And from what I saw yesterday, I remain utterly convinced on the outcome."




Wow are you serious? That's not a baby middleweightby any standard, but consider some welters and junior welters weigh that much between fights.

Cotto weighed about 165 for Floyd.

Kirkland and Chavez scale well over 200 lbs between fights.



Ward get up to 183



You have a point

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stormcentre:

I think (and I thought this before Donaire fought Walters) Rigo took something out of Donaire.

Nevertheless Nonito is a quality guy/operator.

Thing is, he hasn't been the same in the gym since Rigo dissected him, and the last thing Donaire needed in his next big fight (yes I know Nonito has fought in between Rigo and Walters) was a (bigger) guy like Walters that also has speed and some power.

Still, tis the fight game and boyz need to get paid.

Someone please put Rigo and Walters in the same ring and tell them winner takes the cash.

Probably not a good for Walter's health though.

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stormcentre:

The Rubio fight - as clear cut as it was - and as good as 3G is - doesn't really show us how 3G is going to handle 10 or 12 hard rounds with someone that can hit him back and make him (meaningfully) think.

Rubio was nothing more than a strategic opponent for Gennady Golovkin – he was never going to last or put up a decent fight.

Gennady Golovkin and particularly Abel Sanchez, before the fight, both knew the outcome was practically predetermined.

Admittedly, Geale didn't have the power, but if you have a look at his movement and how he pivoted when 3G came in and pestered him with a (unfortunately not very powerful) jab; a part of the recipe of how to deal with a guy like Gennady can be seen.

Kassim Ouma did a similar thing, and kept it up for all the fight; it went the distance and that was the last time 3G fought a guy like that.

But it wasn't the last time he fought a really tough and durable guy; I'm not saying 3G is scared - more he's clever and (to date, been) well managed.

Whilst I am unsure whether Cotto would beat 3G, if Cotto took the fight and took it seriously, it would show us how 3G handles someone that can hit hard, read the play and time a guy like 3G.

Cotto is a small middleweight and at the end of his prime these days.

Korobov, after being jilted by Quillin and Haymon, is available for a 3G fight.

Korobov also knows a thing or two about the tricks Gennady Golovkin uses – he even uses some of them himself, and I assume that that alone will ensure he doesn’t get a call from Abel.

It will be interesting to see who, out of, Canelo, Cotto and the other top dawgs that both HBO and Sanchez OK for Gennady Golovkin’s next opponent; really step up.

Stranger things have happened, but even if Canelo has forgot how easy Gennady handled him in Big Bear a few years back; I can’t see Golden Girl and HBO themselves wanting to risk their Mexican cash cow.

Damn it, I wish Gennady Golovkin came along when Hopkins, Toney and Roy Jones were around and in their prime.

As Mora would be yet another entree, or bump in the road, for 3G.

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The Commish:

"The fight will be in Monte Carlo on HBO.



TsAH will never put his guys in a ring with GGG. TsAH had Taylor,Quillin ,Jacobs locked in a closet last night so they didn't see the fight last night.



So who can give some rounds? Who can put up a decent fight? Who has the guts to get in the ring?



Who has never been knockout out before?



I hate to say it because he is so hard to watch ,but it would be nice to see him on the floor since he has never been knocked out.......the Latin snake. Mora."




I am with you on putting the "Latin Snake" in the ring against GGG. He is constantly complaining that he can't get any fights and that nobody will fight him.



If the IBO and WBA could sanction GGG defending against Osumanu Adama in Monte Carlo last February, then can let the "Latin Snake" out of his cage for a shot at GGG.



Mora has won three in a row, including a decision over tough Greg Proksa in 2013. This is the same Greg Proksa GGG wrecked in September 2012 when he was first unveiled to the boxing world. The toughness of Proksa made the fight interesting, as he had never been down prior to being dropped three times and thoroughly whupped by GGG.



Mora's toughness and cockiness could make for an interesting fight. His slippery style may also give GGG problems, and we would get to see another facet of the Golovkin fighting machine. For sure, Mora won't stand there for GGG to hit him with those piledriver shots.



It's going to be a busy year for GGG. He has said he would like to fight four and even five times.



There's nothing wrong with starting off 2015 with a challenge from Sergio Mora.



-Randy G.

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stormcentre:

I thought I had predicted something like what is happening now . . . . .

In my post here . . . .

http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?17140-Miss-Jackson-Suing-Floyd-Mayweather-Says-TMZ


I wrote . . . .

"Once the trend is set, that whole posse of Floyd's might just start thinking what they're sitting on is more than what they're getting. And from what I can tell the parameters of those relationships are pretty blurry even without the application of law of the so called wise".

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Radam G:

"I don't say this to dis him but Andre Ward is veeeeeery hard headed..."

YUP! This type of hardheadedness is what makes a boksingero great. As tons have done in yesteryears, SOG Ward will win it all, then go inside dat squared jungle and win so more. Holla!

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the Roast:

10. Cotto
9. B Hop
8. Kovalev
7. Froch
6. Wlad
5. Pacman
4. 3G
3. Ward
2. Rigo
1. Floyd

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Radam G:

"I was just being facetious with that one, my friend! But like you said, I wouldn't be surprised, I've heard of some strange requests.



If I remember correctly, Radam once allegedly made someone wear brown trunks or something like that to get a mental edge because of some alleged psychedelic effect it would have on the opponent.



Radam, what's the weirdest serious request/demand you've heard from a fighter or that you made yourself?



And after last night, has anyone's opinion on this matchup changed?"




That would be a hard call. But it would be Big Money Oscar D wearing a custom-made boxing cup with with footballer-like rib pads to cover his ribs because of some myth that I don't recall. He made Mayorga agree to let him use it.



Another would be Heavyweight King xxxx xxxxx, who actually used to wear pink boksing attire, making his opponent wear lady pink drawers. The dude -- a Big Texan name xxxxxx xxxx -- did it and in later life believe that it made him become gay. He suited some people but that that frivolous lawsuit was thrown out.



Boxing even outside of that squared jungle is the "theatre of the unexpected." And because it is a redlight-district sport, you will be shocked of what goes on.Their is all types of rituals, crime activities, superstitions, bullying to do this and that.



All the dirty haps of the game will forever be on da down low because it is too much money to lose to straighten it out. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"Ward's lawyer should be on the phone working on coming to a resolution with Goosen Tutor Promotions so that they can get in the ring ASAP. No company wants to be involved with boxer involved with legal proceedings .

If Haymon or any other outfit want Andre Ward then they better get to the table with an offer and a percentage of future fights. I'm sure The Goosen people will be reasonable if Ward puts out a statement exonerating Goosen from doing anything wrong.

Just because Dan passed doesn't mean the lawsuit will end. His family and company is still going to pursue it. Dan thought his reputation was hurt by awards actions and being a very proud man wanted his family name and reputation clear."


I don't say this to dis him but Andre Ward is veeeeeery hard headed...

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Radam G:

"100% agreed there are fighters who are there for the money, all of them really, then there are great fighters and there are great champions, great champions fight anyone without condition after condition to get the fight made, they don;t wait until they think the opponent has nothing left ! Leonard is not who you see in the dictionary when you look up great champion, great fighter yes !"

You will be badly mistaken if you believe that. Name me some great champions, and I will holla at the optical illusions and tricks that they pull. There are no great fighters that fought other great without conditions.

Boxing is a big business, firstly! And lastly. In the last 100 years, there has only been about 30 mayor pridefights. And 25,000+ prizefights. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Does Nonito still work with Victor Conte?"

NO! Conte resigned from working with boxer. Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

"Garcia fought a boxer who was 19-3 and rated number 70 in the lightweight division. Garcia is the light welterweight champion and couldn't be bothered to make the weight for the fight and came in at a higher catch weight of 142.

Rubio is a veteran of 65 fights with 59 wins and 51 knockouts. At the time of the GGG fight he held the interim WBC world championship. Besides holding a silly title Rubio has been in with top champions and held his own. He went 12 against JCCJ and lost by a few rounds.

After taking the interim belt , GGG is now the mandatory for Cotto. I think the WBC ordered Cotto to fight the winner of last nights fight. Of course they will let him fight Canelo first if fees are paid but Cotto might just have to drop the WBC belt and GGG will pick it up against someone else.

Taking on a tough Mexican in Cali was a great business move, a sell out crowd with some of the Hollywood crowd is a good sign for GGG.

No comparison between the set up Garcia - Salka fight card compared to the wonderful card HBO put on last night.

I think Garcia and GGG were both-5000 with the bookies.

GGG has more fans then Garcia because of his style and he says - I like fight.

Garcia robs Herrera then gets a soft opponent next time out and says - I like al Haymon ."


Pretty much nails it.

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Carmine Cas:

You lie with snakes and you get bit, I think Floyd is cutting the grass while he's licking his wounds. Which is smart, you have to cut people out of your life that are you going to bring you down.

I wouldn't call him warm blooded either though.

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Radam G:

"As always, the irrepressible Radam G calling a spade a spade. If anyone would be biased in this matter it would be you, yet you keep it 100. Props!



Speaking of which.... and this is just a random comment. I may post something on this later...



But how come everyone criticized Mayweather-Maidana for being a mismatch, 9-1, or whatever they had it?



And then later criticized Danny Garcia-Rod Salka for being a 25-1 mismatch or whatever it was.



But Golovkin was a 65-1 favorite -- a far bigger mismatch than Garcia-Salka, according to the books -- yet everyone seemed to love the fight?



What's the reason for this inconsistency do you think?



I'll probably put up a thread for this but I'd like to hear your take."




Because of the rivalry of internation jealousy. And being hard on what the homeboys pick and do. But you are more forgiving of a "foreigner" who many of the natives like, and regardless when he does the same thing or worse.



Take the subtle snob on Pinoys that The Filipino Flash did last night. Because he got tired of many of us saying that he wanted to be like Da Manny, TFF had his home place announced as Bohol -- the Island where he was born -- instead of Mindanao where he grew up his whole complete life in the P-Islands except for a few months.



In any nation, there is always rivalries and jeallouses going on, but the Johnny-come-late outsider will always get a break for doing the same syet. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Ward's lawyer should be on the phone working on coming to a resolution with Goosen Tutor Promotions so that they can get in the ring ASAP. No company wants to be involved with boxer involved with legal proceedings .

If Haymon or any other outfit want Andre Ward then they better get to the table with an offer and a percentage of future fights. I'm sure The Goosen people will be reasonable if Ward puts out a statement exonerating Goosen from doing anything wrong.

Just because Dan passed doesn't mean the lawsuit will end. His family and company is still going to pursue it. Dan thought his reputation was hurt by awards actions and being a very proud man wanted his family name and reputation clear.

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deepwater2:

Garcia fought a boxer who was 19-3 and rated number 70 in the lightweight division. Garcia is the light welterweight champion and couldn't be bothered to make the weight for the fight and came in at a higher catch weight of 142.



Rubio is a veteran of 65 fights with 59 wins and 51 knockouts. At the time of the GGG fight he held the interim WBC world championship. Besides holding a silly title Rubio has been in with top champions and held his own. He went 12 against JCCJ and lost by a few rounds.



After taking the interim belt , GGG is now the mandatory for Cotto. I think the WBC ordered Cotto to fight the winner of last nights fight. Of course they will let him fight Canelo first if fees are paid but Cotto might just have to drop the WBC belt and GGG will pick it up against someone else.



Taking on a tough Mexican in Cali was a great business move, a sell out crowd with some of the Hollywood crowd is a good sign for GGG.



No comparison between the set up Garcia - Salka fight card compared to the wonderful card HBO put on last night.



I think Garcia and GGG were both-5000 with the bookies.



GGG has more fans then Garcia because of his style and he says - I like fight.



Garcia robs Herrera then gets a soft opponent next time out and says - I like al Haymon .

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The Shadow:

Does Nonito still work with Victor Conte?

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The Shadow:

"Depends on the definition of all out. Of course, you are on a different path from doing three minutes.

Like the difference in running 400 meters and a marathon. If you are elite, you do go all out in every facet of every type of training at the same rate. But, of course, at the right pace -- as you pointed out -- for the situation and occasion.

But like an elite athlete, Money May is known to do inhuman things in comparison to the best of the best. Holla!"


As always, the irrepressible Radam G calling a spade a spade. If anyone would be biased in this matter it would be you, yet you keep it 100. Props!

Speaking of which.... and this is just a random comment. I may post something on this later...

But how come everyone criticized Mayweather-Maidana for being a mismatch, 9-1, or whatever they had it?

And then later criticized Danny Garcia-Rod Salka for being a 25-1 mismatch or whatever it was.

But Golovkin was a 65-1 favorite -- a far bigger mismatch than Garcia-Salka, according to the books -- yet everyone seemed to love the fight?

What's the reason for this inconsistency do you think?

I'll probably put up a thread for this but I'd like to hear your take.

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The Shadow:

"K2 has acknowleged the bid from Ward but they are intent on cleaning out the middleweights first.
GGG isnt a big middleweight and K2 isnt comfortable moving GGG up this early against the challenge of Ward at this time. Its a reasonable decision....GGG would fight light heavies if it were up to him..

GGG was ordered to keep quiet and to stop calling everybody out and let his management speak.
Ward is younger than GGG and has reported that he's ALWAYS in the gym and is always ready for anybody...no tune ups required.

So by the time GGG has dusted some of the key middleweights, the Ward / GGG fight will be in huge demand (in theory)

Until then ... Nobody wants it .... With the exception of Murray who Oubobcat mentioned.
You would think one of the Germans would take it (Abrahams, Sturm, or Steiglitz) but they pretend he doesnt exist and are content to fight each other in virtual isolation."


Dude was 173 last night. He cut weight to fight at 165 as an amateur. He's not that small of a middleweight. By comparison, Andre Ward was 176 when he beat then-light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson, who came in at 185.

(Yes, Ward fought at 178 in the Olympics but only because the US team had Andre Dirrell at 165 and Ward was the one skilled enough to beat up on the bigger dudes.)

Ward's lawyer told Jim Lampley yesterday that Ward is ready, willing and able to get into the ring with Golovkin anytime, anywhere.

And from what I saw yesterday, I remain utterly convinced on the outcome.

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The Shadow:

"SOG Ward resides in Oakland, where he is from, and where he always sells out the joints. He is a NoCal pug. And at the Stub Hub Center, which is in SoCal, NoCal pugs just don't get the love.

It has always been a rivalry between NoCal and SoCal. They may as well be two different states. Plus the cultures have big difference. Holla!"


Thanks for clearing that up! Kudos!

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Radam G:

"No he does not. He does NOT go all out for 90 minutes straight... Going all out is equivalent to sprinting all out for 90 minutes . It is an absolute impossiblity.

Sure he goes nonstop for 90 minutes but he is pacing his speed and power."


Depends on the definition of all out. Of course, you are on a different path from doing three minutes.

Like the difference in running 400 meters and a marathon. If you are elite, you do go all out in every facet of every type of training at the same rate. But, of course, at the right pace -- as you pointed out -- for the situation and occasion.

But like an elite athlete, Money May is known to do inhuman things in comparison to the best of the best. Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

Well apparently HBO is going to throw extra cash at some of these guys to risk it against GGG. 2015 will be very interesting for GGG, I think eventually he will get a big name next year.

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Carmine Cas:

"Andre Dirrell is not ready for a PPV shot yet, especially, as they say in Hollywood, in a leading role. The public needs to see more of him before they will be willing to plunk down a Ulysses Grant and an Alexander Hamilton to watch him fight.

There are other names out there who may be PPV material for GGG.

But not Andre Dirrell.

Not yet.

-Randy G."


Dirrell is an interesting opponent for GGG, I agree with your reasoning that he is not ready for a ppv slot yet. But if Golovkin were to test the supermiddleweight waters, Dirrell would be an intriguing option considering they fought in the olympics.

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The Commish:

Keep those ratings coming, gang.

Keep 'em coming.

The new set will be up Tuesday morning!

The more ballots we have the more reflective they'll be how the TSS Universe views the world's Top-10 PxP fighters.

Send 'em in. If you're reading this and you haven't sent yours in, do 'em and send 'em.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"The great ones always tell the truth and move on. A whuppin' when you are just fine is a whuppin' in any other way lingo. BINGO! The true is every real, elite champ's motto. Holla!"

I have been a fan of Donaire for years. He has been on my show on two occasions and each time, callers lit up the lines after he got off the air. Why? Because of the class he exudes, both in the ring and out of it.

I sure hope, after some relaxing time off, he is able to come back--all the way back.

Boxing needs more guys like the Filipino Flash.

He is a class act all the way.

-Randy G.

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Froggy:

100% agreed there are fighters who are there for the money, all of them really, then there are great fighters and there are great champions, great champions fight anyone without condition after condition to get the fight made, they don;t wait until they think the opponent has nothing left ! Leonard is not who you see in the dictionary when you look up great champion, great fighter yes !

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The Commish:

"Steve Cunningham, fighting to get to a place where he can snag a heavy-duty payday, which will help defray medical costs for his daughter who seeks a heart transplant, moved a step closer Saturday night. He put the leather on Cali-based Natu Visinia, who outweighed him by 70 plus pounds, to the point that officials pulled the plug on the contest after round seven ended.
At the 2300 Arena in Philly, and on NBC cable, the 38-year-old Cunningham hit the deck himself in round five but shrugged it off, and got back to showing off his skills and experience edge. A clubbing right, helped by a momentum shove, sent him to the mat, but he wasn't seeing stars or anything.
The 30-year-old Visinia is a bit green, crude, Toughman-ish, but you wondered if his brute strength could grind USS down. Cunningham (now 28-6) switched righty to lefty, moved smartly, hit and scooted, went low and high, used the jab to keep a wise distance, and closed the distance, to blunt the big man, when that was called for…and he did what he needed to do---win.
USS went 210-443 on the hard to miss big lad, while the beefy loser, now 10-1, went 54-259. His stock, though, didn't drop. This was valuable experience and he showed he can hang with a world-class fighter. No shame, no blame to be aimed at Natu.
And now.. hopefully that big opportunity presents itself soon for Cunningham, the ex Navy man.
I don't pretend I don't root for the man and his family. Sorry….NOT SORRY."


Just knowing the story about young Ms. Cunningham is enough to make you root for Papa Steve. But knowing the down-to-Earth warrior himself is another reason to root for him.

Nice win for Steve. The tough, strong, hard-hitting but green Visinia will be back. You can't help but love the effort he gave and the heart he fought with.

Hopefully, Cunningham will be able to get the big-money fight he needs to pay for his daughter's upcoming heart transplant surgery.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"I think it is safe to say you know more about the sport than I do Radam G, but what I can't figure out is that if Leonards team had Duran figured out, why wait for 9 years to give Duran a rematch when he lost and Duran could give Leonard a rematch after 6 months ! While I am at it Benitez was paid "step aside money" so the first fight with Duran could be made, nothing wrong with that, but Leonard would never give Benitez a rematch, also with Tommy Hearns no rematch until SRL thought Hearns was finished . Leonard was a great fighter, I don't think he was a great champion, when Robinson fought for the lightheavyweight title his opponent weighed 175 pounds not 168 like when leonard fought for the same crown ! Great fighters have always given rematchs promptly and won them, not Leonard !"

MONEY! And what you said: "Thought (that the) fighter was finished."

The game is not rocket science and pridefighting. A fighter is going to prolong his career and purses by selected fighting. Those tough-arse pugs last just about five to eight years, and they were/are pridefighters and are broke even before they wrap up their careers. Holla!

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Radam G:

"It was sad to see Nonito Donaire go down like that. He is showing signs of slowing down, he kept missing and he fought in spurts. Just when l thought he was going to let Walters have it, his energy would diminish. He took his loss gracefully and l see retirement in the not so distant future."

Good boksing eyes, Denise. A lot of fight energy was lost from too much weight gain. Males in our original ways are hunters and gathers. And in those days that we did that we did it because of hungry. Hunger kept us alert and zero in on the kill.

Being slightly hungry give you most energy, speed and snap strength. Going back down in weight will re-ignite the speed demon killa in ND with accuracy and knockout power. Holla!

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Froggy:

I think it is safe to say you know more about the sport than I do Radam G, but what I can't figure out is that if Leonards team had Duran figured out, why wait for 9 years to give Duran a rematch when he lost and Duran could give Leonard a rematch after 6 months ! While I am at it Benitez was paid "step aside money" so the first fight with Duran could be made, nothing wrong with that, but Leonard would never give Benitez a rematch, also with Tommy Hearns no rematch until SRL thought Hearns was finished . Leonard was a great fighter, I don't think he was a great champion, when Robinson fought for the lightheavyweight title his opponent weighed 175 pounds not 168 like when leonard fought for the same crown ! Great fighters have always given rematchs promptly and won them, not Leonard !

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