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Radam G:

Wow! Hehehe! Holla!

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Radam G:

"and when it happens, we will see Manny escorted to retirement in glory... sent on his way by one of the best ever."

Easy dream to believe, because Floyd Kenducky Chicken never was and will fight one who will kayo him. Dude has been bytching outta fights since the amateurs.

It's a May family thing, though. And more power to not taking an arse thrashing.

BTW, The Shadow, Da Manny won a mutli-number figure lawsuit against Money May for fibbing about blood testing and steroids.
Money May is eating ducking Da Manny. This way -- just as religion -- ev'ybodee and dey momma and two of dey ok-eyed uncles can claim their god is the true one and can easily whup all the others. Or would have, if they would have ever fought.

Fantasy forever favoring him is what Money May wants. Holla!

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riverside:

for the good of boxing !!, when hopkins down he needs to go down in hail of fire. we shall see drama if doesn't go his way.

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riverside:

last minute

Hopkins gets stopped, Paulie got the skills

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Radam G:

"I think shogun nailed it.but 9 was c? And 7 was c for sure. What was that movie with the guy midge Kelly played by Kirk Douglas ? That was one hell of a movie . If you love boxing watch that movie . It was right behind raging bull and rocky as far as I'm concerned."

He missed a couple. From the jump, he missed the first one. But did well overall. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Exactly, Randy.



AJ, trainers are extremely territorial. Cus D'Amato used to be paranoid about people getting near his fighters.



In order to get near them, you need to have credibility. And if you have training credibility and try to approach, you will be shunned -- especially with a guy who has future money making potential for the principals.



Randy's suggestion is good. Don't step on any toes, help out here and there and before you know it you're an integrated part of the gym...but I get the impression you don't really care for that that much? You just want to get straight to Vasyl, right?



In that case, write your analyses on here -- best place to get quality feedback and honest evaluation of your strategic and analytical acumen; you may be better or worse than you think -- and hope Team Lomachenko sees them.



You could even send them a link from that. "Hey, here's an interesting discussion about Vasyl from some fans, fighters, writers and commissioners; thought you might like it. Check it out. AJ"



You only need to convince the right one, right?"




Wow! I don't believe some of what I'm reading. You advisors to AJ have apparently came in on a different train. Good-and-great trainers aren't that paranoid of fans. They listen to everything and everybody. And read everything from everybody. And often write them back. Even the trainers, who couldn't read and write back in da day, had someone to read fan letters and write the fans back.



In the words of the late, great Cus d'Amato: "You never know who's carrying the best advice for a fighter...Listen and read everywhere, even if you have to pretend not to."



The late, great GBTOAT Angie Dundee got a call to his hotel room from a "loud-mouth kid" teenager wanting boxing knowledge and to spar with light-heavyweight king "Dancing Master" Willie Pastrano.



I'm speaking for myself. I don't know any nasty top gun trainers -- dead or alive -- that didn't at least pretend to be listening to a fan. Just in kindness, they will listen to outta-the-loop people.



The trainers are guarded and paranoid against in-da-loop and in-da-game advisors in my experience. Insiders will befriend you, and betray you. They will tell a trainer's fighter the wrong jive just to get him beat.



In the words of TTS's own DDV: "Boxing is full of weasels and squirrels."



But it is also full of kind, great ones -- long gone to heaven and still around. Holla!

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deepwater2:

I think shogun nailed it.but 9 was c? And 7 was c for sure. What was that movie with the guy midge Kelly played by Kirk Douglas ? That was one hell of a movie . If you love boxing watch that movie . It was right behind raging bull and rocky as far as I'm concerned.

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deepwater2:

I think shogun nailed it.but 9 was c?

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deepwater2:

"I'm not directing this question to serious collectors, but more to people that have picked up interesting items along the way, perhaps at a garage sale.



For example, a few months ago there was a garage sale a few blocks from where I live and I picked up a hat, obviously looking like it was never worn, made for the Holyfield-Tyson fight. I have no need for a hat and don't wear or collect sports apparel, but what the heck, I thought it was worth two bucks, especially since this was for the 1991 fight at Caesars Palace that fell out when Tyson went to jail.



Some sports-oriented web sites have sub-forums for people that buy, sell, and trade stuff. I wonder if that would work here?"




1)original copy book from Barney Ross , fundamentals of boxing, 1942 , with 1 inscription from a soldier during a war and another inscription from my college professor wishing me good luck in boxing. 2) my NY golden gloves fight jersey signed by teddy atlas after my bout .3) my USA boxing passbook with al Gavin's name on the front. 4) a framed photo signed by Ali and ken norton

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The Shadow:

"One Day Bhop won't have it, and I think when that day comes he'll be the first one to know. But he has to know he's in with a live dog. Shumenov shares a lot of qualities with Holyfield,.. or I should say at least that's who he reminds me of (when it comes to intangibles like resilience, stamina and heart,... more than styles). This kid can explode at anytime, Bhop better be far away from the detonation or his quest for history stops here. I haven't seen enough of Shumenov to pick him outright so I'll stay safe by choosing Bhop to win a hard fought battle. BHop entering the fight at 172 shows me he's been doing his road work. But I won't be surprised in the least if Shumenov makes something happen tonight. The kid will be looking like a cruiserweight by fighttime."

You're right, he looks huge and ripped. He's put together.

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dino da vinci:

I love this place.

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brownsugar:

and when it happens, we will see Manny escorted to retirement in glory... sent on his way by one of the best ever.

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brownsugar:

well the fight was just a drug test refusal away from happening, and just recently GB won a purse bid that will feature a TR guy and an Al Hayman fighter. Stranger things have happened.

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brownsugar:

One Day Bhop won't have it, and I think when that day comes he'll be the first one to know. But he has to know he's in with a live dog. Shumenov shares a lot of qualities with Holyfield,.. or I should say at least that's who he reminds me of (when it comes to intangibles like resilience, stamina and heart,... more than styles). This kid can explode at anytime, Bhop better be far away from the detonation or his quest for history stops here. I haven't seen enough of Shumenov to pick him outright so I'll stay safe by choosing Bhop to win a hard fought battle. BHop entering the fight at 172 shows me he's been doing his road work. But I won't be surprised in the least if Shumenov makes something happen tonight. The kid will be looking like a cruiserweight by fighttime.

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brownsugar:

interesting Story Arnek, I appreciate stories about obscure historical facts. thanks.

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ultimoshogun:

1(b)

2(c)

3(b)

4(a)

5(d)

6(a)

7(a)

8(a)

9(b) This is the only one I'm 100% positive on.

10(b)

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ultimoshogun:

I'm going with "The Alien" to make history tonight. He's got a ton of experience on Shumanov. Shumanov will find it difficult to land his bombs while B-Hop tags him with cleaner shots throughout the fight.

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The Shadow:

I wonder if there has ever been a fight, post-Cotto, where Paulie Malignaggi was the favorite.



Hopkins UD, though a stoppage won't shock me.



Colgate Quillin AKA Pete B. Killin will score four forgettable knockdowns en route to a blas seventh round stoppage.



The real main event I see going two ways -- and no, not a win or loss for either. This fight end before the 12th or Paulie wins a close decision.



Intangibles aside, this is Paulie by KO5. However, Porter is a tough dog -- but a dog nonetheless.



While his toughness may help him escape a violent demise and push this matchup the distance, his grit will not prevent a fate that has already been written, (by Ala.H.) setting up a unification fight for all the marbles in the fall.



By the end of the night, a swollen nose, bruised ego and busted lip later, we shall crown a new monarch of the ring:



Paulie Malignaggi, The New King of Boxing. #TNKOB

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The Shadow:

I wonder if there has ever been a fight, post-Cotto, where Paulie Malignaggi was the favorite.

Hopkins UD, though a stoppage won't shock me.

Colgate Quillin AKA Pete B. Killin will score four forgettable knockdowns en route to a blas seventh round stoppage.

The real main event I see going two ways -- and no, not a win or loss for either. This fight end before the 12th or Paulie wins a close decision.

Intangibles aside, this is Paulie by KO5. However, Porter is a tough dog -- but a dog nonetheless.

While his toughness may help him escape a violent demise and push this matchup the distance, his grit will not prevent a fate that has already been written, (by Ala.H.) setting up a unification fight for all the marbles in the fall.

By the end of the night, a swollen nose, bruised ego and busted lip later, we shall crown a new monarch of the ring:

Paulie Malignaggi, The New King of Boxing. #TNKOB

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The Commish:

Arne, you are right about Giardello not being a Marvin Hagler-type of puncher. But that didn't stop fans from loving him...kind of like the way Mexican fans took to the flyweight champion from Merida, Mexico, 40 years ago, Miguel Canto. The guy's boxing record basically was made up of this: W 15.

And, yes, Dino, Giardello fought 'em all. His boxing record was a "Who's Who" of the world's top middleweights over and over.

I'm lucky to have become friends with Giardello when I was the 30-year-old Editor of The Ring. We got together a lot down in Atlantic City over dinner. They were times I will cherish forever.

-Randy G.

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the Roast:

Behind on points Shumenov drops and stops B-Hop with a left to the body. Porter outpoints Paulie by split D. Quillen by KO.

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ArneK.:

I wouldn't encourage anyone to pursue a career as a writer today, not with newspapers shrinking, publishing houses dying, and so much good content available for free on the Internet. However, Pat Putnam was correct. A writer can keep getting better at his craft as he gets older and older. That's comforting. Mr. Putnam had some interesting war stories, but let's not go there.

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teaser:

yes looks even better in slo-mo.Manny was in tune playing Bradley like an conductor

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mcemman:

you are a very intelligent analyzer as if you are a boxing guru.. congrats and appreciate your very kin observation..

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deepwater2:

Good insight . I was at that cano fight . Cano won

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deepwater2:

"A quick flip of the script. Shumenov wins, spectacular fashion."



Welcome to the club . My picks are the same as when the fights were signed . Porter wins tko / dec , quillen wins ko , shumenov wins some how some way

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The Shadow:

Exactly, Randy.

AJ, trainers are extremely territorial. Cus D'Amato used to be paranoid about people getting near his fighters.

In order to get near them, you need to have credibility. And if you have training credibility and try to approach, you will be shunned -- especially with a guy who has future money making potential for the principals.

Randy's suggestion is good. Don't step on any toes, help out here and there and before you know it you're an integrated part of the gym...but I get the impression you don't really care for that that much? You just want to get straight to Vasyl, right?

In that case, write your analyses on here -- best place to get quality feedback and honest evaluation of your strategic and analytical acumen; you may be better or worse than you think -- and hope Team Lomachenko sees them.

You could even send them a link from that. "Hey, here's an interesting discussion about Vasyl from some fans, fighters, writers and commissioners; thought you might like it. Check it out. AJ"

You only need to convince the right one, right?

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Skibbz:

"Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.

And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.

I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!"


I see that RG. Won't be the last time someone's gonna pay a champ to get their jaw dirty.

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The Shadow:

"Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.

And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.

I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!"


I don't know about secret conversations except for the ones between Michael Conz and Jeff and Floyd Mayweather, but I do know this:

Once blood testing was brought up, Bob Arum filed a lawsuit, declared the fight dead and signed Joshua Clottey, who he owed a big fight after signing him up from DiBella anyway.

But there's nothing illusory about that. Blood testing had been there from the get-go. Even when Mayweather's representation offered a 14-day cutoff compromise, it was the Top Rank side that wouldn't budge.

They left the table. Not the other way around.

That said, I honestly doubt Manny gave a ish either way. I'm sure he would've fought.

I've never seen him say any of the BS Arum fed the press about being afraid of needles (and he has tattoos?) and all that other nonsense.

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Radam G:

"Absolutely agree. I am beginning to wonder with all the money to be made, with the potential legacy to be gained, and with all the additional things that winning their fight would have brought, if either of them ever really wanted to fight."Boxing is sleazy, shady and sneaky. Money May has cut off talks of getting paid for Da Manny whuppin' of his arse every single time. "TIME AFTER TIME," in the lyrics of one of my MILF from back in da day.



And Money May is working these optical illusions of Da Manny being the one. Maybe some of the tapes of their conversations will be release one of these days. And then Lil' Floyd will weasel outta dat truth too. He definitely has his followers and fan in da deep, dark tank of super blindness and naivety.



I ain't hatin' him, though. Dude is an archgrandmaster of the double hoodwinked and triple bamboozled in it all. Holla!

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