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Radam G:

Awesome, nice copy. And may Mr. ET rest in peace.

But I disagree that GOAT Ali couldn't stop him. The GOAT missed a lot of kayos by jiving and conniving. In the fight with Mr. ET, the GOAT was jiving and conniving with anger. And anger made him let up and talk syet when he should've been cracking and popping. And the fight, the referee would have been stopping.

I cannot recall exactly where I saw a video interview of the ref, but he said that every time he was on the verge of stopping the bout, "Clay would let up and start taunting Ernie with words I can't say and with some that I can say.

"I'm not in Clay's mind. I don't know if he intentionally carried Terrell, but Clay was demon-like to him.... And seemed to just wanna beat on Terrell. And Terrell took it." Holla!

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Radam G:

"I don't know how true it is, but I read jockeys used to ingest tapeworm eggs to lose weight !"

That is true. Boxers were once guilty of that too. I'm lucky to know horse, camel and ostrich jockeys. The only jockeys that did not do that are the elephant ones. Holla!

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Froggy:

"It is true about that Ex-lax. A lot of pugs, who didn't know how to lose weight with water and juices did that.

As "brainy three-year-old," I was schooling -- not fooling -- amateur pugs against that Ex-Lax nonsense. And I told them to holla at some prune juice with a few drops of lemon juice in it. And that they would get da $h$ like a horse and two elephants.

And so that they would not be imagining that were weak from defecating a kilo to to couple and a half, I told them to holla at some cucumber juice with a bit of black cherry juice in it and a piece of watermelom. That gives you a surge of mad energy. True stories. I $h you not. Hehehe. Holla!"


I don't know how true it is, but I read jockeys used to ingest tapeworm eggs to lose weight !

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mortcola:

My biggest WTF-was-I-thinking recently was David Price. 6'8", agile, pinpoint punching and apparently great power against his early-career showcases. Then we find out that a light tap from Tony Thompson is enough to separate him from time and space, and that great athleticism is only great when nothing much is happening in front of him.....wonder if we'll see him try again, but the signs are not promising.

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Radam G:

"Once some fighters lose... They never get quite their confidence all the way back. At least that's my impression. I even heard a local boxer say he was taking ex-lax to lose weight.... A very lazy solution for weight gain problems and the pesky late bloomer growth spurts. Some people continue to grow (not inflate) well into their late twenties. Whether or not the ex-lax rumors are true. Curry and his team didn't handle the weight gain right

Some fighters don't have a good strategy for moving up in weight. Some live in denial and fear of losing status and giving up the number one spot....IMHO.

Sad ending for the promising Curry."


It is true about that Ex-lax. A lot of pugs, who didn't know how to lose weight with water and juices did that.

As "brainy three-year-old," I was schooling -- not fooling -- amateur pugs against that Ex-Lax nonsense. And I told them to holla at some prune juice with a few drops of lemon juice in it. And that they would get da $h$ like a horse and two elephants.

And so that they would not be imagining that were weak from defecating a kilo to a couple and a half, I told them to holla at some cucumber juice with a bit of black cherry juice in it and a piece of watermelom. That gives you a surge of mad energy. True stories. I $h you not. Hehehe. Holla!

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mortcola:

Mine was Donald Curry as well. Briefly, my hero, the most perfect technical boxer, with power, I had seen to that point. He is a perfect example of what falls apart when you lose your mental edge. All the guys who beat him, except maybe Jacquot, were fine fighters. But none would have beaten down a Curry who had his head together. Woulda, what-if....that's all part of the formula. But briefly, he was the perfect fighter, lacking nothing, until we found out what was actually lacking.

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Radam G:

"Do you remember Robin Blake? One of MY worst calls ever."

I remember Robin Blake. He was a bad mofu. It was true that his grandfather died just before a bout. I don't remember which bout, but he was badly affected by that.

But I have doubts about Don Curry. I knew all four of the Curry brothers. And every time that they lost it was because one of their grandfathers had just died. I recall about five of them dying. And don't say no way.

On their mother's side, they had three gramps -- two steps and two biological ones. And on their fathers' sides, I would not know. The Currys had the same mother, but different fathers. Matter of fact, Donald's last name was actually Sample. It was a lot of "my gramps," his gramps, step gramps. Holla!

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Froggy:

"By all means I doubt Bronco can pull it off but stranger things have happened. I can tell you he is probably more sturdy than any of Wilders previous opponents. I say give him a shot at a contender and lets see what happens."

Why not ?

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deepwater2:

"OK thanks for that D2.



I could start off by saying that he needs to stay away from guys that can trace/rake a decent jab on him.



But then . . . it's easier and better to look at the positives.



Dude clearly wants to fight - no matter whether it's in a ring or not.



And . . you can't bottle that up (I am laughing as I write this).



You have to channel it.



Bronco Billy appears to have the experience, mentality and durability to get him past Butterbean level heavyweight boxing.



Rick Hatton . . . listen up please . . .how bout you feed Billy to Lucas Browne for Brownies first Las Vegas gig?



That will tell us how keen Billy (and Lucas) is.



I know one thing.



It won't go past 7 or 8 rounds.



Billy lokos like he would be good for boxing and also reality TV.



Dude takes protecting his family seriously.



But then who doesn't.



What's the consensus D2 (or anyone else)?



Is Bronco Billy going to get a credible version of the heavyweight title?"




By all means I doubt Bronco can pull it off but stranger things have happened. I can tell you he is probably more sturdy than any of Wilders previous opponents. I say give him a shot at a contender and lets see what happens.

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the Roast:

Do you remember Robin Blake? One of MY worst calls ever.

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brownsugar:

Lol...one of my worst calls ever.

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the Roast:

Terrell used to promote fights in Chicago twenty or so years back. I met him once, he was very nice. He had huge hands. We shook hands and mine disappeared. Rest in Peace Ernie.

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the Roast:

I think Ike had a good chance at becoming Champion. He had all the tools. Huge waste of talent.

I remember Bruseles from that Mayweather fight but not much else. I loved that Forum show. Seemed like every time I watched Mark Johnson was knocking somebody out.



Brown you were so high on Sillahk! Kovalev put him down hard. Haven't heard from him since...

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brownsugar:

Good stuff Oubobcat...

Personally I was lead astray by " The Black Russian ". Otherwise known as ....
Ismail Sillahk.

It was Sillahk, not Kovalev who was going to revolutionize the light heavyweight division.
It was Sillahk, the Siberian terror who was destined to transform a bland, mediocre division currently led by "Bad" Chad Dawson and closely followed by the aging Tag Team of Tarver and Glen Johnson back into the Limelight.

Sillahk was tall and rangy... He had the sublime foot work of a consumate technician that would have made ballet dancer extraordinare Borisnikov jealous. his jab was as crisp as unbuttered toast.
And his followup right travelled with the velocity and stopping power of a silent bullet.

But he was cursed with a chin as fragile as peanut brittle.

Alas ..
His staying power in the pro ranks didn't even last as long as the buzz you get from the drink which is called by his namesake.

A Ko loss by a former kick boxer on ESPN an a crushing loss to the Krusher on cable and he was done.

Why Lord????

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Gabrielito:

I love watching Ruiz fight and was happy for him as his weight came down with each appearance...until this year. His last two fights are not what fans want to see .

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oubobcat:

I'll throw a couple names out there.

One is Ike Ibeabuchi. I really thought he was going to become a dominant heavyweight champion. The Tua fight was something else and he completely destroyed a younger Chris Byrd in the late 90's. But the fight he had with Everton Davis on ESPN really showcased his talent. Ibeabuchi had at times blinding hand speed for a heavyweight and destructive power as well. But as we know he had demons and the demons got the best of him. He could have been great and there was a time back in the late 90's I thought he was going to revive the heavyweight division and be a must see attraction in this sport similar to Tyson.

And the other is one I use to watch back on the old Forum boxing series. His name was Henry Bruseles. Bruseles had natural gifts including power and very fast hands. When I saw him fight in the early stages of his career on this series, I thought he was can't miss and would be a star. He had a solid career and some decent wins on his resume. But never put it all together to be a champion and be the star I thought he would become. Some of you may remember too he fought Floyd Mayweather in 2005 and was dominated in that fight (I believe it was the fight prior to Gatti for Mayweather).

Here is a video of a young Bruseles on the old Forum boxing series I previously mentioned showing some of that eye popping raw talent he possessed in the early stages of his career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-JycMu82DM

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brownsugar:

Once some fighters lose... They never get quite their confidence all the way back. At least that's my impression. I even heard a local boxer say he was taking ex-lax to lose weight.... A very lazy solution for weight gain problems and the pesky late bloomer growth spurts. Some people continue to grow (not inflate) well into their late twenties. Whether or not the ex-lax rumors are true. Curry and his team didn't handle the weight gain right

Some fighters don't have a good strategy for moving up in weight. Some live in denial and fear of losing status and giving up the number one spot....IMHO.

Sad ending for the promising Curry.

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the Roast:

Some quality names there RG.

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The Commish:

"I like Ruiz - the speed and the hard hitting. He didn't do well Saturday, despite winning, but he's been more impressive than not. Let's see how he does against better opposition. Is he too fat? I think "blubbery" is the word we're all looking for. But he wouldn't be the first heavy heavyweight to make a name for himself. Think of Two-Ton Tony Galento, for instance, who was as rough and tumble as they come."

I, too, like Ruiz. Like Tony Galento and Ron Stander, he's fun to watch. However, unlike them, he can really box, not just stand there and be a barroom brawler. However, realistically, he is going to have to get that blubbery arse in shape before we can seriously think of him getting in with, and beating, a solid top-10 heavyweight.

Ruiz has tried before, taking himself of of action around a year ago, saying he was going to physically change his appearance. Well, that didn't happen. He came back looking like the same 'ol Andy Ruiz.

I think he now realizes what he has to do to go from being a fringe contender to being a serious championship contender. Let's see if he does what he has to do.

When he next steps in the ring, if he looks like the Andy Ruiz we have become used to seeing, we'll know where his boxing future is at. If he looks much different, we'll still know where his boxing Future is.

Two different scenarios, two different paths.

Which one will Andy Ruiz choose?

-Randy G.

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teaser:

nice analysis JJ jr is still on the learning curveif he develops that defense and can crack half as good as his dad look out !!

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stormcentre:

"http://youtu.be/dVTnguNg_YQ"

OK thanks for that D2.

I could start off by saying that he needs to stay away from guys that can trace/rake a decent jab on him.

But then . . . it's easier and better to look at the positives.

Dude clearly wants to fight - no matter whether it's in a ring or not.

And . . you can't bottle that up (I am laughing as I write this).

You have to channel it.

Bronco Billy appears to have the experience, mentality and durability to get him past Butterbean level heavyweight boxing.

Rick Hatton . . . listen up please . . .how bout you feed Billy to Lucas Browne for Brownies first Las Vegas gig?

That will tell us how keen Billy (and Lucas) is.

I know one thing.

It won't go past 7 or 8 rounds.

Billy lokos like he would be good for boxing and also reality TV.

Dude takes protecting his family seriously.

But then who doesn't.

What's the consensus D2 (or anyone else)?

Is Bronco Billy going to get a credible version of the heavyweight title?

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stormcentre:

"http://youtu.be/dVTnguNg_YQ"

OK thanks for that D2.

I could start off by saying that he needs to stay away from guys that can trace/rake a decent jab on him.

But then . . . it's easier and better to look at the positives.

Dude clearly wants to fight - no matter whether it;s in a ring or not.

And . . you can't bottle that up (I am laughing as I write this).

You have to channel it.

Bronco Billy appears to have the experience, mentality and durability to get him past Butterbean level heavyweight boxing.

Rick Hatton . . . listen up please . . .how bout you feed Billy to Lucas Browne for Brownies first Las Vegas gig?

That will tell us how keen Billy (and Lucas) is.

I know one thing.

It won't go past 7 or 8 rounds.

Billy lokos like he would be good for boxing and also reality TV.

Dude takes protecting his family seriously.

But then who doesn't.

What's the consensus D2 (or anyone else)?

Is Bronco Billy going to get a credible version of the heavyweight title?

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deepwater2:

http://youtu.be/dVTnguNg_YQ

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stormcentre:

;)

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Radam G:

"Yeh . . and I'm riding with RG on this - I agree with what he said (even if I have no idea what it means).

RG, are you partying too hard too soon?

Santa hasn't arrived yet."


Wow! On that, I was falling to sleep. Hehe! Holla!

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New York Tony:

I like Ruiz - the speed and the hard hitting. He didn't do well Saturday, despite winning, but he's been more impressive than not. Let's see how he does against better opposition. Is he too fat? I think "blubbery" is the word we're all looking for. But he wouldn't be the first heavy heavyweight to make a name for himself. Think of Two-Ton Tony Galento, for instance, who was as rough and tumble as they come.

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stormcentre:

"I told cha that the time is to use laser-eyed robots. They have bit in the fight, so they will not cheat. They won't whoever is beat. Holla!"

Yeh . . and I'm riding with RG on this - I agree with what he said (even if I have no idea what it means).

RG, are you partying too hard too soon?

Santa hasn't arrived yet.

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Radam G:

"First of all, DD, welcome to TSS' wonderful and wacky world of posters and pugilistic prognosticators.

Secondly, thanks for listening to "At the Fights" on SiriusXM. On Monday (Dec. 22), we will be talking/discussing/debating the merits of each of boxing's scoring systems and what they mean, as well as what can be done to improve the judging which has seemingly gotten worse over the last few years.

If you don't mind, DD, I am going to mention your system and credit you.

Quite frankly, when a fight is even remotely close today and heads to the final bell, I get nervous that the wrong fighter is going to be given the decision.

I don't want to hear, "Well, that's boxing for you!" Let the blown calls by officials be in baseball, football and basketball.

The scoring system in boxing is broken.

It's time we stop being afraid of a fight going to the scorecards.

It's time we fix it.

-Randy G."


I told cha that the time is here to use laser-eyed robots. They don't have a bite in the fight, so they will not cheat. They won't care whoever is beat. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I was wrong about Donald Curry. Way back when I thought Donald might be an all time great. Not that he didn't have a good career, it just didn't go the way I thought it would.

As you may have read before the Young Roast fell in love with boxing on the night of September 16th, 1981 when Sugar Ray Leonard came back and stopped Thomas Hearns in the first Superfight I ever saw. SRL was my hero. Problem was one fight later he retired with a detached retina. No more Sugar Ray I thought.

Curry defeated Marlon Starling that same year. Curry won the vacant WBA 147 lb belt and defended it beating Starling again by 15 round UD. I was impressed. In '85 Curry faced and destroyed WBC champ Milton McCrory in the 2nd round. Now I was all in. I thought for sure Curry would dominate everyone on his way up to middleweight where he would beat Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I told everyone Curry was the next big thing. The next SRL.

In his second defense of the undisputed title Curry would fight 5-1 underdog Lloyd Honeyghan. I went over to my buddy's house to watch the fight,"This is the guy I was telling you about. This guy is the best in the world."
Honeyghan mauled and brawled his way to a stunning upset. With a huge cut over his eye and a gash on his lower lip, Curry stayed on his stool and did not come out for the 7th round.
"This is the guy you were telling me about?" Young Roast hangs his head.

Curry had weight problems, managerial problems AND his grandfather had died. The Lone Star Cobra would move up to 154, a more comfortable weight. "That makes sense" I thought.

After two strange wins by DQ Curry gets a title fight against Mike McCallum. The fight went back and forth with both men having their moments but in the fifth round Curry backed out of an exchange with his hands down and got hit with a titanic left hook. Donald crashed down on his back, his head slammed off the canvas. Fight over. Young Roast hangs his head again.
No shame in losing to McCallum. The Bodysnatcher was always underated, a future hall of famer. Curry would be back.
Three fights later in 1988 Curry defeats Gianfranco Rossi for the WBC Superwelterweight title. Surely now Donald was on the right path. No. He wasn't.

In 1989 DC would be be dethroned in France of all places by Rene Jacuot. It was the Ring Magazine Upset of the Year. Again I am shocked by this man, head hanging. It never got better.

In '90 Curry got a middleweight title shot and was stopped in the 10th by Micheal Nunn.

In '91 Curry goes back to 154 with another title chance against Terry Norris. TKOed in 8 this time.
Both of these fights I hoped Don Curry would pull it together and win. I believed he would win.
Curry retired after the Norris fight. Six years later Donald returned and split two fights before retiring for good.

Donald Curry broke my heart. I was so wrong. I would be wrong many other times but not like with DC.
I thought Andrew Maynard might be great. Danny Romero. Micheal Grant.

What about you TSS? Who were you wrong about? Who broke your heart?"

I've been wrong too many to count. It come with the territory, psyche and the honest commitment of the pug and politics.

One of my cannot miss was the "Sheriff" Clinton Jackson. Another one was the 'Cali Crusher" Chris Arreola. One before Arreola was Mark Breland. And before him Harold "Little Man" Petty. Holla!

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Radam G:

"@Randy. It was an article about Gerry Cooney that was in a leading magazine back in the day (A Sports Illustrated, Inside Sports type magazine) that brought up an interesting point. That Cooney was positioned to become the first billion dollar athlete and if you think about it he had all the ingredients: Intelligence, Looks, An insane hook, right complexion, more on that in a bit, right ethnicity, and would have been armed with one of the three best titles in the world (Alongside with Pope and President of The United States).

So my question is at what point in the journey did he stop caring? He fought some monsters so it certainly wasn't a lack of courage. When and why did the fire die?"


Let me answer it for you -- DRINKING and DRUGS and hanging out with a few thugs.

All the big fighters back in da day thought that I was just a cute Asian-kid rugrat every darn where -- in the gyms, hotel rooms, dressing rooms, dinning rooms and in a ringside seat. But I knew when things was not right. I was a good little spy,

Even at two years old, I could tell that "G"GC had been drugging with his sparringmate Lenny "Big Chocolate Chip" Tyler. I even remember snitching him out. Nobody cared because ev'ybodeee and dey were blinded by the billion dollars that "G"GC was going to make.

The leading promoting crook at that time was Harold Smith/Ross Field. And I've already told you cats how my sharp-eyed cousin at Wells Fargo Bank caused the hammer to drop on him for his electronic thieving of giant moolah.

If one doesn't handle the pressure of professional pugilism the correct, gutty kick-arse way, he does not turn into a diamond, he turns into a drunk and/or duggie. Holla!

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