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stormcentre:

Cool.

OK, let's keep having fun on this forum.

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The Shadow:

My favorites are Vitali and Wladimir, by far. No other tandem comes close, not even a little bit.

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ArneK.:

Fine examples, Radam, especially coming off the top of your head.

The Docusens, like so many people in New Orleans, had a blended ethnicity. Most reports list them as half-Filipino and half-Creole. I remember that there was some brouhaha about whether they should be classified as "colored." Mixed-race matches were still taboo in some states and the "colored" designation would have constricted their opportunities.

I'm glad we have moved beyond that nonsense.

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The Commish:

The Quarry brothers--Jerry & Mike--are my two favorites, as they were the first big-time fighters I met & befriended after breaking into the boxing biz.

They gave me plenty to write about in the 70's & lots of great memories.

It was so sad to see their rapid decline & eventual demise.

Jerry & Mike, I think about you guys a lot.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"OK.

It's all cool. I didn't think I was in a pissing contest with you to be patently honest.

I thought we (all) were on the same team.

You have inferred that PES's, or at least some of them, don't really or meaningfully assist boxers, and I have presented a different view.

Surely we can agree to disagree on that point.

Not in the least as I respect you and hope you feel the same about me.

I would prefer to have you as an ally, rather than someone in a pissing contest. Seriously.

Peace brother!!

Holla.

:)"


Hehehehe! "Not in a p$$ing contest" is just a jivy figure of speech for exchanging views in a good discussion not in a cynical way. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Sorry I missed that earlier post.

Would you agree that in the amateurs, it's mostly about speed (reflexes), whereas in the pros it's more about technique and power.

That being said, I've found that a fighter's amateur pedigree is a very useful handicapping tool.

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stormcentre:

"I never get in a p$$ng contest. Storm, how well do you know about the simple way to interrupt and easily catch cheats?

Fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia is a con man and full of himself -- total eclipse of da bullsyet. I -- and VADA -- will catch his arse 80 times a day and 80,000 times on Sunday. It is no sophistication in catching dat syet and its massing agents. And I will put my money on that.

There is always inattentional blindness to those who are looking, but not seeing. One may fight fire with fire. But most people know that often times it is better to fight fire with water.

You are not going to catch the whole nine of chemicals with chemicals or with chemical fighting and revealing chemicals. You can catch athletes on dat syet with the simplest way -- simple to the people in da know -- 99.9999998 percent of the time.

My lips are sealed. But other laymen and scholars of this discipline may come onboard and holla at ya.'

Beating and catching roids and PEDs cheats don't take a rocket scientist. Matter of fact, the rocket scientist who everybody keep referring to was a boxer. What is his name. Holla!"


OK.

It's all cool. I didn't think I was in a pissing contest with you to be patently honest.

I thought we (all) were on the same team.

You have inferred that PES's, or at least some of them, don't really or meaningfully assist boxers, and I have presented a different view.

Surely we can agree to disagree on that point.

Not in the least as I respect you and hope you feel the same about me.

I would prefer to have you as an ally, rather than someone in a pissing contest. Seriously.

Peace brother!!

Holla.

:)

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thegreyman:

I posted that on here a week or so ago Arne.

If anyone has an advantage in the pro's though, it's Golovkin. The difference between pros and amateurs is that in the pro's the aim is to do damage, and cause violence. To break your opponent mentally and physically, with much lighter gloves and less protection. Amateurs is simply about landing shots, regardless of their power or effect.

Golovkin has become so much more refined since his amateur days- his ability to place shots, choose combinations, maneuver his opponents to where he wants them, in the ring; as well as the power of his offence, and the quality of his defence. His balance, poise and positioning mean that he is always set to throw a shot, while never really being in the right place for you to do so.

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stormcentre:

Tszyu fought Hector Lopez on short notice and with only 10 fights (8 by KO, with 7 of the KO’s in the 1st 2 rounds) under his belt - that's the fight you're trying to remember (Skibbz).

Before the fight, Hector Lopez . . . what he said about his chances. . was just gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKp_-M0Mesk

“I just don't know if this kid can go the distance with me to tell you the truth. Because I think I can beat him and stop him".

“My experience gunna come in. And not just that. If he wants to just go out there and bang, we can do that too".

"I can beat him at any which way he wants to go".

"If he wants to box, he can't outbox me. If he wants to trade, hey it's OK too".

"The bottom line is that I'm gunna control the fight, and my experience gunna control the fight, and it's gunna bet set, at my tempo, and when I wanna pull the cord, I'll pull it".

Not revealed on the provided video (but included on the purchased version) is also a cameo vocal/verse where Lopez talks about his style.

It, is also gold illuminated in your hand at night.

"With me you gotta a little bit of Sugar Ray Leonard and a little bit of Tommy Hearns, a little bit of evri-ting. I aint going nowhere. I won’t be doing no running, no duck n diving, no dancing, with me I stand up. We stand and trade till someone stops”.

I love these characters and this character in boxing.

Bottom line; no other sport has it.

The character Hector displays both verbally and in the fight is tremendous.

I doubt anyone will find these types of challenges at just 10 professional fights, on 3G’s record. Lopez was a tough hombre and a virtual wrecking machine in the ring.

Additionally, you won't find any amateur videos of 3G displaying more skill than the video Skibbz posted either.

Happy to be proved wrong, so bring it on anyone!!!!

:) :)

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Radam G:

"It's plain to me that both Klitschko brothers will someday be enshrined in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. They will join the Gibbons' brothers, Tommy and Mike, as the only pair of siblings in there (unless others beat them too it).

Throughout the history of boxing, there have been numerous brother combinations. Do you have a personal favorite? Let's keep this list to combos where both siblings were noteworthy, which disqualifies the Ali brothers and the Holmes' brothers.

The long-forgotten Docusen brothers from my favorite city, New Orleans, top my list. These two stylish fighters finished with near-identical records. Bernard Docusen (74-10-6) went 15 rounds with Sugar Ray Robinson. Maxie Docusen (76-6-3) won the California state lightweight title."

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The Docusen -- Filipinos -- are my favorite too. Buddy and Max Baer were grand. Does Marvelous Marvin Hagler count with his brother Robbie Sims? The Penalosa brothers -- Gerry and Dodie. The Donaire(y) brothers -- Nonito and Glenn. The Spinks brothers -- Leon "Deon" and Michael "Spinks Jinx." Dirrell brothers -- Andre and Anthony. The Ayala brothers -- Mike and Tony. The Garcia brother -- Robert and Mikey. And that is about it for me. Holla!

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Skibbz:

Well when it comes to personality and style of fighting I think it would have to be the Mayweather brothers Floyd and Roger. They fought some quality opponents and had good scraps between them, and Roger didn't do too bad conquering a world title.

The Puerto Rican Viruet brothers also spring to mind. Cocky, brash and tangled with some of the best lightweight and welterweights in history including Duran and Leonard, several times. Never won any major titles to my recollection, however they did pretty well for themselves. Adolfo was also Gatti's first trainer which is worth a mention too.

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Radam G:

Danggit! I got tripped up on number #13. I didn't have a clue. I got mind fudged. I gotta deal with a 95 %. Holla!

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Radam G:

I never get in a p$$ng contest. Storm, how well do you know about the simple way to interrupt and easily catch cheats?



Fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia is a con man and full of himself -- total eclipse of da bullsyet. I -- and VADA -- will catch his arse 80 times a day and 80,000 times on Sunday. It is no sophistication in catching dat syet and its massing agents. And I will put my money on that.



There is always inattentional blindness to those who are looking, but not seeing. One may fight fire with fire. But most people know that often times it is better to fight fire with water.



You are not going to catch the whole nine of chemicals with chemicals or with chemical fighting and revealing chemicals. You can catch athletes on dat syet with the simplest way -- simple to the people in da know -- 99.9999998 percent of the time.



My lips are sealed. But other laymen and scholars of this discipline may come onboard and holla at ya.'



Beating and catching roids and PEDs cheats don't take a rocket scientist. Matter of fact, the rocket scientist who everybody keep referring to was a boxer. What is his name. Holla!

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ArneK.:

Am I the only one who's aware that Golovkin beat Geale once before? That was way back in 2001 in Japan, so I wouldn't try to infer much from it.

Shucks, Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson in the amateurs which meant nothing when they hooked up again as professionals.

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Skibbz:

I'd rather be the fool for the moment than the fool for a lifetime. It speaks of your knowledge for the subject and my evident lack of knowledge. I guess I'll have to do some more reading..

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deepwater2:

Just by the skin of my teeth. 75%

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ArneK.:

Refreshing honesty. I'm thinking your score may say more about the test-maker than the test-taker.

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Skibbz:

A very sub par 65%. There was nothing I knew the answer to!

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Skibbz:

"Lol I thought you were being a complete smartass with that comment by using some sort of British saying. Turns out it's true! Hahaha...

Even the Queen of the British Empire is in the doping loop! Who woulda thunk it?!"


No jokes it's a fact. They're trying to find out whether it was morphine via the feed... I've also heard of kickboxers shoot up the weight classes putting on nothing but steel by eating horse meat injected with steroids and bypassing the tests.

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Skibbz:

Golovkin isn't avoiding any scraps in my opinion, not least with Ward. Why? Because he wants to be and beat the best. I can't wait for this, I'm looking forward to a great fight and a chance to hopefully see GGG go deeper in against a competent boxer. No prediction just yet from me though, on which round it'll be over that is.

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ArneK.:

It may help Jennings that his last outing was with another southpaw.

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The Shadow:

"On the topic of illegal substances, Her Majesty's horse, Estimate, tested positive for Morphine..."

Lol I thought you were being a complete smartass with that comment by using some sort of British saying. Turns out it's true! Hahaha...

Even the Queen of the British Empire is in the doping loop! Who woulda thunk it?!

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The Shadow:

"Bernie is also a diehard Travis Walker fan, always asking "When is Travis Walker going to get a big fight?" Despite having lost his last five fights, maybe we can get a Fury-Walker fight made, just for Bernie!

-Randy G."


Hahahaha that's hilarious! I don't even know who Travis Walker is! But surely it would be a good scrap. Get Pirog as the ref.

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The Shadow:

WOW! Storm, that is an amazing, high-level breakdown of this stuff. How are you so knowledgable about this? This is scientific dissertation level information! Incredible!

Please give me some time before I can read and comprehend it all... Thanks for sharing this.

It certainly makes sense why Lance would get so cocky. He undoubtedly thought he was above the system. Man, I understand why you questioned that other poster as well who wrote a bit about VADA.

Also, those quotes from the article I listed were from MEMO HEREDIA!! That is something he went on the record to say - granted, in another country - and then he suddenly comes back to boxing with a desire to clean it up.

Which is certainly plausible. Except his main fighter suddenly grows bulging deltoids, acne pops up all over his back and he suddenly brutally floors Manny Pacquiao twice in six rounds.

What I found interesting about the first knockdown in December of 2012 is that in 2011, Marquez landed the exact same punch (overhand right) in the exact same spot in the ring with the EXACT same setup and the EXACT same impact in the third fight.

Unlike the third fight, this time Pacquiao fell like a sack of potatoes, as if he had been shot. (On a pure skill level -- which is almost irrelevant in this discussion -- this is indeed a testament to how much better of a craftsman Marquez is, which nullified Pacquiao's athletic advantages and thus created an equal matchup.)

Now Marquez is a puncher, a razor-sharp one. But he's not heavy-handed, at least not by accounts.

But he is doing this to a guy he has never floored before -- the same dude who took bombs from Miguel Cotto, got his eardrum punctured, his neck snapped...... And not a damn thing happened! He didn't even slow down! Or as Paulie Malignaggi said, he "walked through Cotto's punches like they were spit!"

He just continued walking this thunderous puncher down with reckless abandon. Yet Marquez brutally floors him, sends him on Queer Street in the very next round and then knocks him unconscious after that.

Now if a former proud cheater like MH pretends to want to clean up a sport and his poster boy is a guy who does the aforementioned to a guy with THAT kind of punch resistance?!

Come on.

Storm, I'll try to digest it all and I'll get back to you. Unbelievable stuff. Especially how people will turn their blind eye to it.

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deepwater2:

I have no pick in this fight. I've seen both fight live in NY. I was really impressed each time. Perez vs Magomed was a brutal tough fight where Perez came out on top. Jennings surprised me big time with his win over Szpilka. This card should be exciting from top to bottom.

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Radam G:

"Radam, I cannot disagree because I was not there. However, all of the info I have comes straight from the Sugarman's mouth. He said all of this in an interview a few years ago. Now could he be sensationalizing? Ehhh..........maybe, but I don't know what purpose he would have in doing that."

My good doctor, you can go on to Boxrec and pull up the reality of the actuality. Sugar Ray Leonard was being facetious. Boxers are some facetious jivers. I bet the interviewer knew that Ray was bulljiving.

He fought in 10oz gloves in 20-foot ring. I've been to all of the Sugarman's homes. And I've saw the original gloves that he fought the Marvelous One with.

The truths in boxing are already surrounded by a bodyguard of myths and facetious double jive. Unless the boxer is saying "This is on da real," he is probably being cute and facetious. Holla!

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oubobcat:

I like Jennings in this one.

One factor to look at are the recent fights of Jennings and Perez. Jennings has been in with solid pros and come away with pretty impressive wins. He also did not take a lot of punishment in those fights. Perez took a lot of punches in his most recent fights. I am not saying Perez is shopworn but those fights had to take something out of him. We don't know how much exactly and won't know until he steps in the ring Saturday.

I also think Jennings is improving as a fighter each time out. He was a late starter to the sport but is athletic and honing his skills with each outing. He last fight in January was against his toughest opponent to date and also his best performance to date. I expect to see continued strides from Jennings in this fight.

Its going to be a solid heavyweight fight. I think Jennings is going to ultimately prevail and set himself up for bigger things in the heavyweight division.

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The Good Doctor:

"Sounds like a bunch of myths and boxing tales again. Boxers and ex-boxers in da hizouse holla out the reality of the actuality. Or next, there will be stories of fighters getting down with it in negotiated 20oz gloves.

Maybe somebody is going to say that Rev. (Big) George Foreman had on 40oz gloves against GOAT Ali in "The Rumble in the Jungle" because Big Rev. hit so hard. Holla!"


Radam, I cannot disagree because I was not there. However, all of the info I have comes straight from the Sugarman's mouth. He said all of this in an interview a few years ago. Now could he be sensationalizing? Ehhh..........maybe, but I don't know what purpose he would have in doing that.

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Froggy:

I thought Hagler handed the first four rounds to Leonard before he finally started to fight like Hagler ! I still think Hagler won the fight after giving away the first four rounds ! Also, does anyone remember how many warnings Leonard got for low blows without losing a point ?

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amayseng:

Thanks for the Info guys.


Damn that fight still irks me Commish I can only imagine Hagler.

Hagler and Duran were my dads favorite fighters, I grew up watching those guys at a very young age....




Question. Who do you think really won the fight Hagler or SRL?


The controversy lies in effective punching for Hagler vs SRL flashy ineffective spurts...


Thoughts?

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