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deepwater2:

It seems the phony source (Espinoza) inflated the PPV numbers. Word on the "street " is the PPV fell under the first fight. The Showtime boss might not be secure in his job as he was last year.

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Radam G:

"Haha! Yeah, you guys may laugh.



And sure, there may be pharmaceuticals in the aroma. But that could just be the stench of smelling salts.



Remember, this is the same stuff they said about a supposedly light-punching, dance-and-prance 20-0 Muhammad Ali.



He was facing a man so strong a pack of police officers armed with billy clubs couldn't floor him.



Then one single light hand from the light punching dancer led to this:



http://www.abbeville.com/images-catalog/full-size/0789209039.interior01.jpg



You never know, stranger things have happened!



It is the theatre of the unexpected after all."




The GOAT Ali could fight. He started at 12, won the O-Games at 18, and became champ of the world at 22. And he could CRACK-- LIGHTNING CRACK! ZOOK! ZISSSS! Like lightning outta da sky, he would have arses on the canvas of dat squared jungle FRIED, DYED and laid to da SIDE. It is myth that he was a "light punching dancer." He was thunder and lightning doing da dancing and prancing.



C-Al started boxing at 24-years old. And has come to boxing with his bad Kickboxing habits.



Dude is TERRIBLE! He ain't ur finger-size flashlight spark. At him, a toy dog would not bark. And the only reason that he is being pushed is because we live in the days of media mirages. Some real Big-screen Rocky syet -- not the real-life Rocky M or Rocky G, but Rocky B. And Rocky B syet can never be in the "theatre of the unexpected," because it came from the on-location movie-acting theatre of a movie script.



Now I hope that I didn't just lose my bit part for the next installment of Big-Screen Rocky B. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Let GB put Dargan in with Figueroa... The lightweight division needs an upgrade....then match him against Uber Spoiler Lundy next

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brownsugar:

They can do the fight. Like MCM says its got a great pre-existing warm and fuzzy buzz... and enough angles to keep a whole fleet of hype machines churning out spin material for three to six months.



But Terrance should avoid such a fight for at least 18 months because he is simply not ready. If Gamboa almost had him close to doing a ten second "Rip Van Winkle".



Pac will most certainly have Crawford dreaming about beating the 147 lb icon before the fight reaches the final round.



I know its hard for a young hungry fighter like Crawford to decline such an opportunity as huge as fighting Pac since he is dirt farmer poor by comparison.



However rushing in the opportunity too soon is a recipe for failure.

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Radam G:

"That forecast sounds quite optimistic, not unlike the forecasts pitched to gullible VC's at the height of the late '90s dot-com craze.



Radam, you sound like The Manny is facing a Brian Sutherland on the decline. This is not Sutherland. This is Algieri son!



Four round KO? He might win four rounds total!



Have you ever seen Chris Algieri in the club?! Dude can cut a rug. Where do you think he got all those girls from?!



He made one appearance on American Idol, all cornrowed up like a teenage Shadow, explaining how he has three (dance) moves and that is all he needs to propel him to greatness.



I'm going to post that video later.



If it doesn't go as I initially predicted, my forecast is this:



Algieri will OUTPOINT The Manny for eight or nine rounds while dancing, juking, spinning and #winning. And he will sweep those rounds, just like sweeps the women off their feet.



Then, The Manny, in a heroic last-ditch effort, will go to the well one last time, start stutter-stepping -- the move he taught Shawn Porter -- and jump in for the coupe-de-grace left hand to solidify an epic come-from-behind victory.



He will feint the jab. Feint it again. Then UNLEASH his nuclear left with evil intentions.



Except this time, Algieri won't dance. He won't prance.



Instead he stands -- his ground, that is.



In doing so, Algieri will channel his inner Marquez, launch his own Dinamita straight right, catch Pacquiao square on the chin -- just like Rustico Torrecampo did -- and knock Manny out COLD!



Then he will stand over Manny' fallen body, raise his hands high and begin to DANCE! (Sort of like Roger Mayweather used to do.)



And the people will holla, oh yes they will!



This vivid imagery will be infused into boxing folklore for decades to come: Chris Algieri Ushering in a new era with a dance, signaling a glorious epoch come to a close.



I can sense it, Sensei. I can smell it. Do you smell it?"




WOW! Drinking that Empire State water and eating those month-old mushrooms will cause you some outta this world thoughts. Hehehe! Oh, YUP!



And my friend , don't look the Commish in the eyes. He will put da whammy on you. Before you know it, you will be a loyal Commish zombie telling the world that C-Al is the greatest pug of all times.



BTW, YUP! I know that the dude can cut a rug. He is Latin. He can get down with it on the dance floor. He is just not down with it in dat squared jungle as a pug. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"Hehehehe! Now that was funny as heck. It made me choke on my Balut. OMG! Holla!"

But you can smell it, right? The upset! It can happen! No?

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The Shadow:

Haha! Yeah, you guys may laugh.

And sure, there may be pharmaceuticals in the aroma. But that could just be the stench of smelling salts.

Remember, this is the same stuff they said about a supposedly light-punching, dance-and-prance 20-0 Muhammad Ali.

He was facing a man so strong a pack of police officers armed with billy clubs couldn't floor him.

Then one single light hand from the light punching dancer led to this:

http://www.abbeville.com/images-catalog/full-size/0789209039.interior01.jpg

You never know, stranger things have happened!

It is the theatre of the unexpected after all.

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brownsugar:

Thanks for the input Commish, Shadow.

The reason I mentioned it is because Mayweather's site ( I just call it that because its one of the few sites that actually seems to be "pro Mayweather"). FIGHTHYPE, ....ran a story today announcing acclaimed fitness " guru " Ariza has signed to service the TMT crew for 2 years.

Mayweather, who probably eats a lot better than his frequent televised forrays into "FatBurger" to dine on their special delicacies, the triple-cheeseburger and chili-fries would suggest, has reported recently that he doesn't stretch or take vitamins.

At one time it was hammered into our consciousness for decades by fitness experts from Jack Le Lane to the National Council for Fitness that it was imperative to stretch before and after exercising in order to receive the proper benefit from training. Proper stretching was also purported to prevent fitness enthusiasts from sustaining potentially grievous injuries.

Many professional athletes have been paraded on a variety of television shows preaching the pre and post exercise stretching gospel as if it were a public service.

As early as the 90's NEW studies by fitness experts and trainers employed by the NFL (to name a couple) have contradicted this long standing wisdom by saying the sacred routine of stretching before training or participating in sports can actually increase the odds of suffering a debilitating injury during extreme athletic activity.

Thus the long standing sports axiom was broken and replaced with a new revelation.
"Not everybody needs to stretch, stretching is not beneficial to everyone before a sporting event" ....this new line of thought is supposed to be especially true for those who rarely stretch or don't stretch at all.

Even though Floyd has only an hour and a half left on the clock ( as he puts it ) before he permenantly disengages from living the life of a professional athlete.

I wonder if his union with Ariza will be beneficial or detrimental during his final hour on the stage?

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brownsugar:

"The real question is is Ariza a double agent?

Is he secretly working for Pac while working for Mayweather?

Or is he a triple agent, secretly working for Garcia, working for Mayweather while working for Pac?


I just confused myself.

Either way Ariza is a piece of crap. I dont care what his shakes do, what stretches he adds or what regimen he can come up with to help any fighter, he sucker attacked a middle aged man with a handicap.

He can never undo that in my eyes."


I can see how you would feel that way.... Its probably deserved.

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Radam G:

"I smell something after reading that post and it doesn't smell good.

It's one thing to say CA might jab and move,score some points,win some rounds and has a legit chance but to say he is going to be dancing over a knocked out Pac, that prediction has pharmaceuticals involved!"


Hehehehe! Now that was funny as heck. It made me choke on my Balut. OMG! Holla!

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Radam G:

"Fourth round? By the 4th round, Pac-Man will still be trying to figure out how to deal with the reach advantage of Algieri and the repeated jabs to his nose. By this time, Da' Manny will start thinking things like, "After this, I think I'll spend more time as Congressman" and "I wish I could have faced Floyd Mayweather years ago. I would have made so much more than I'm making tonight."



-Randy G."




It is an illusion of a mass confusion. C-Al does not have a reach advantage. He has longer arms. There is a distinction, you know. And hand fluttering C-Al is quite slow. And he doesn't fight tall, he fights low.



C-Al does not use a proper jab. At the air, he half-arse stabs. He is going to need rehab.



Da Manny is going bust C-Al in the ribs and in the pit of the arms. And that will be the start of the end for C-Al.



His chances of keeping 3m off his arse are SLIM and NONE. And SLIM has been banned from showing up in Macau. And NONE is at the dock of the bay, letting the time roll away. When C-Al is KTFO, NONE will show up to the casino and tell C-Al: "OKAY! Have a good DAY! Man, I thought that you had a chance. I like the way you prance. To bad that you had to deal with 3m/Da Manny. He is much too uncanny." Holla!

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deepwater2:

I smell something after reading that post and it doesn't smell good.



It's one thing to say CA might jab and move,score some points,win some rounds and has a legit chance but to say he is going to be dancing over a knocked out Pac, that prediction has pharmaceuticals involved!

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amayseng:

The real question is is Ariza a double agent?

Is he secretly working for Pac while working for Mayweather?

Or is he a triple agent, secretly working for Garcia, working for Mayweather while working for Pac?


I just confused myself.

Either way Ariza is a piece of crap. I dont care what his shakes do, what stretches he adds or what regimen he can come up with to help any fighter, he sucker attacked a middle aged man with a handicap.

He can never undo that in my eyes.

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The Shadow:

"He has length, but no jab. He has great clumsiness and no awkwardness. His dance is a silly, posing, bouncy prance. He will be too busy covering up and trying survive to trade. For 3m, C-Al is tailor made. Forecast: 3m by knockout in the four round. Holla!"

That forecast sounds quite optimistic, not unlike the forecasts pitched to gullible VC's at the height of the late '90s dot-com craze.

Radam, you sound like The Manny is facing a Brian Sutherland on the decline. This is not Sutherland. This is Algieri son!

Four round KO? He might win four rounds total!

Have you ever seen Chris Algieri in the club?! Dude can cut a rug. Where do you think he got all those girls from?!

He made one appearance on American Idol, all cornrowed up like a teenage Shadow, explaining how he has three (dance) moves and that is all he needs to propel him to greatness.

I'm going to post that video later.

If it doesn't go as I initially predicted, my forecast is this:

Algieri will OUTPOINT The Manny for eight or nine rounds while dancing, juking, spinning and #winning. And he will sweep those rounds, just like sweeps the women off their feet.

Then, The Manny, in a heroic last-ditch effort, will go to the well one last time, start stutter-stepping -- the move he taught Shawn Porter -- and jump in for the coupe-de-grace left hand to solidify an epic come-from-behind victory.

He will feint the jab. Feint it again. Then UNLEASH his nuclear left with evil intentions.

Except this time, Algieri won't dance. He won't prance.

Instead he stands -- his ground, that is.

In doing so, Algieri will channel his inner Marquez, launch his own Dinamita straight right, catch Pacquiao square on the chin -- just like Rustico Torrecampo did -- and knock Manny out COLD!

Then he will stand over Manny' fallen body, raise his hands high and begin to DANCE! (Sort of like Roger Mayweather used to do.)

And the people will holla, oh yes they will!

This vivid imagery will be infused into boxing folklore for decades to come: Chris Algieri Ushering in a new era with a dance, signaling a glorious epoch come to a close.

I can sense it, Sensei. I can smell it. Do you smell it?

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Kid Blast:

Yes indeed. Unlike JMM, who also has been down often but never really hurt, Seri has been hurt but still comes back. He is one of the most fan-friendly fighters out there. One very tough hombre.

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The Commish:

"He has length, but no jab. He has great clumsiness and no awkwardness. His dance is a silly, posing, bouncy prance. He will be too busy covering up and trying survive to trade. For 3m, C-Al is tailor made. Forecast: 3m by knockout in the four round. Holla!"

Fourth round? By the 4th round, Pac-Man will still be trying to figure out how to deal with the reach advantage of Algieri and the repeated jabs to his nose. By this time, Da' Manny will start thinking things like, "After this, I think I'll spend more time as Congressman" and "I wish I could have faced Floyd Mayweather years ago. I would have made so much more than I'm making tonight."

-Randy G.

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MCM:

Provodnikov has entertained the crowds, but it's led to an overestimation of his abilities. I'm tempted to go so far as to say: he's done --taken too many blows. His style's not built to last.

So I think those who measure Algieri by the Provodnikov fight are over-estimating him too. That's not to say Algieri isn't an intriguing fighter. At the Barclays, he looked faster, leaner, more athletic than ever before, and maybe he still has more upside. And he's going to fight smart.

But beat Manny in Macao? No way, no how.

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Radam G:

"I am taking the +700 odds today for Algieri.

Algieri will use his length, his jab, his awkwardness and dance, dance, and dance some more to what will be an extremely boring fight. He will not trade with Pacquiao and if you think Floyd ran, wait till you see this. Algieri will land more albeit not alot in totality and will not be in front of Pac for him to hit. This will neutralize Pac awesome combos and angles.

Algieri 7-5 in a snoozer."


He has length, but no jab. He has great clumsiness and no awkwardness. His dance is a silly, posing, bouncy prance. He will be too busy covering up and trying survive to trade. For 3m, C-Al is tailor made. Forecast: 3m by knockout in the four round. Holla!

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The Good Doctor:

I am taking the +700 odds today for Algieri.

Algieri will use his length, his jab, his awkwardness and dance, dance, and dance some more to what will be an extremely boring fight. He will not trade with Pacquiao and if you think Floyd ran, wait till you see this. Algieri will land more albeit not alot in totality and will not be in front of Pac for him to hit. This will neutralize Pac awesome combos and angles.

Algieri 7-5 in a snoozer.

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The Commish:

"I hope you can keep a secret that long Commish..... November is a long time to keep a vulnerability consealed
If Algieri wins I'll personally research Google and write a brief five paragraph bio of the law student praising his world championship abilities....

That would be the biggest upset since Spinks took Larry Holmes Title."


Or since Buster Douglas whupped up on Tyson.

Yes, it will be huge.

Wish I could invite all of you to the victory party I am throwing on Sunday.

I wonder how far into 2015 the Algieri-Pacquiao rematch will be?

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"There are conflicting reports, though. The guy who reported it is a Pacquiao homer with no equal, which is understandable since he's from the same country. SO nothing wrong with that.

But Ariza himself mentioned that it was only an NDA, which is far from a contract to work. Maybe he's just keeping him on so Pacquiao can't use him, sort of like Tom Hauser how was a "consultant" to HBO."


Hmm. This is one we have to discuss before today's show...or after the show.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Clinching as a strategy is great when the other boxer lunges in and takes away your punching space.if you watch the greats they clinch and work on the inside when the other boxer tries to smother them.

Now on the other hand some boxers , like Floyd in his last fight,clinch as soon as the other boxer gets on the inside. He still had room to work because Maidana was still in the pocket but he reached out grabbed and held.the prevent defense? It prevents any action.

There is styles to boxing and clinching can work as long as it doesn't stop the ebb and flow of the fight like Robinson was doing to Gene F.

The clinch Floyd used was designed to stop the action ,looking at Bayless and not working on the inside is the proof , most referees would give warnings for Floyd's excessive holding."


Very few referees ever do anything about excessive clinching, holding, grabbing, locking on and mauling. They'll step in and say, "Stop holding!" but few ever do anything about it. It's a point more referees have to go over in greaqter detail when they head into each fighter's dressing room to give them their pre-fight instructions. They have to let the fighters know the difference between a clinch and "excessive clinching."

In the seminars I used to hold in my days as head of the NYSAC, two refs would play/act as fighters, while a third would serve as the referee. We gave examples of a clinch and a "lockup." The clinch is either one or both of the fighters falling in close and having at least one arm holding the opponnt close, with that arm tightly gripping the opponent by the arm above the elbow or around his body, pulling him in close to A) Keep him from punching while also B) Being able to stay close enough to punch with a free arm. Mike Tyson, a brutal puncher with either hand, used this method frequently. He'd move in close, grab an opponent with one hand, then blast away with his free hand.

I love referees who allow fighters to work out of this situation. They'll simply move in close and say, "work out of it, work out of it!" Many times, the fighters do, meaning no time was wasted on a "Stop!" followed by a pause in the action with both fighters breaking, stepping back, being pushed further apart by the ref then re-started.

A "lockup" is when one of the fighters is tired, hurt or deeply concerned about being hurt by his opponent on the inside, so he wraps up his opponent completely and incessantly,causing repeated visits by the referee. The second Muhammad Ali-Joe Frazier fight is as high-profile a fight I can think of where one fighter (Ali) was allowed by the ref (Tony Perez) to lock up his opponent all night long. Another high-profile fight where excessive lockups were allowed was Wladimir Klitschko-Alexander Povetkin. In that one, veteran ref Luis Pabon allowed nearly 300 lockups in the fight, 171 of them initiated by Klitschko, the man generally accepted to be the best fighter in the heavyweight division. Imagine that--171 purposeful lockups initiated by the biggest, toughest champion in the sport, and not one point was deducted from him.

The problem is not the fighters who do this. It's the referees who allow lockups to happen. If an Ali, a Klitschko a Mayweather or any other fighter feels he will be allowed to get away with a move which will extinguish or greatly reduce his opponent's arsenal, why shouldn't he--wouldn't he--do it? If Tony Perez, Luis Pabon and Kenny Bayless allow the repeated lockups and fail to admonish and punish the perpetrator, then the perpetrator will continue to employ whatever move or moves he finds effective.

In Duran-Leonard I, Leonard allowed himself to be bulled against the ropes throughout the 15 rounds of the fight. Duran was all too happy to keep Leonard there and punish him. In the rematch, Leonard boxed beautifully. Unlike Mayweather-Maidana II, where $$$May continually looked to latch onto Maidana for as long as he could, Leonard rarely locked up Duran as he worked his boxing masterpiece on one of history's most ferocious fighters, who, just five months earlier, had given Leonard a resounding thumping.

It was clever in the split screen video we saw of the similarity in the footage of the rematches between SRL-Duran & $$$May & Maidana. In reality, they really weren't similar.

As for trilogies, the third meeting between SRL & Duran (for which I was the blow-by-blow announcer for the fight, one of the first boxing matches shown in HD), was a far cry from either one of the first two matchups. The same for the third meeting between Ali and Frazier. Without the excessive lockups by Ali, the fight ("The Thrilla' in Manila") turned into a boxing classic.

Clinching. Lockups. Referees.

They can all make the difference in a fight being just another fight or becoming a legendary, never-to-be-forgotten boxing classic.

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"The beauty of clinching? I think we have a different sense of aesthetics amigo..."

Big time, my friend. Holla at clinching pinching tactics of Roberto Duran. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Is it a double standard for Pep and SRR to be appreciated for their craft and Floyd be condemned for doing the same?


Well no one had to pay 80$ for a ppv to watch Pep and SRR hold, stall and pot shot a win.


I will say this, the second time I watched Floyd Chino 2 (and I have yet to finish it) it has been less boring than I officially thought. Why I am not so sure, maybe because fight one had so much more action with Chino pushing the pace. The rematch game plan failed."


Hehehehe! You are cold, man! They didn't have the technology back then to see syet. Ninety percent of the population never saw a fight. They just heard it own radio.

Those days and times were the era of ear witnesses. Now we are in a time of eye witnesses with inattentional blindness like a mofu. Possibly ninety percent of the nowadays-see audience is inattentionally blinded. People ought to pay to see, not look! Holla!

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MCM:

Amber Waves of Pain --I love it.



Forget about what's probable, I want to think about what's possible. And a megafight in Nebraska is just the kind of thing that could capture hearts and minds. Look at how Lebron's return to Cleveland ignited imaginations: people long for a return of the old-fashioned Hometown Story. Boxing can separate itself from other sports in just this fashion: most basketball, football players etc have no real connection to the cities they play for. But, boxing has always been about the home-town kid. Enough with Vegas megafights (Mayweather excused). I want fights in Buffalo, Omaha, Pittsburgh, and Cincy (thanks, AB).



Just have to make sure Crawford gets by Beltran first --I think he will, in what I hope is the fight of the year.



Champagne at the Golden Corral!

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The Shadow:

There are conflicting reports, though. The guy who reported it is a Pacquiao homer with no equal, which is understandable since he's from the same country. SO nothing wrong with that.

But Ariza himself mentioned that it was only an NDA, which is far from a contract to work. Maybe he's just keeping him on so Pacquiao can't use him, sort of like how Tom Hauser was a "consultant" to HBO.

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The Shadow:

Supposedly, definitely, absolutely and probably.

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The Commish:

"Salido is a slow starter who gets better as the fight progresses. While he frequently finds himself on the canvas, he is incredibly resilient and always seems to weather the storm and get back into the action. Against Mikey Garcia, he was down 4 times (though he was coming on at the end), and was nearly knocked out by Juan Manuel Lopez in their second match. Filipino Weng “Baliangao Thunder” Haya had him down twice before being waxed in 2011. In 2010, Yuriorkis Gamboa had him on the floor twice on his way to a UD victory. In March 2014, Vasyl Lomachenko came very close to ending matters in the last round but ran out of time."

That resiliency is part of what makes him so much fun to watch.

-Randy G.

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Kid Blast:

Frank, as much as I respect your opinions on boxing, I must disagree with you on this one. The only way this happens is if Pac looks terrible in his next two fights. I think Mayweather would rather go for 50-0. It's the same reason he is not a good closer. He simply is too cautionary.

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stormcentre:

"It probably was a tooth. Floyd and his whole family fixed their choppers long ago. Porcelain veneers . I don't think it hurts at all when one of those things breaks off and there is always the real tooth that is still underneath .

So Floyd isn't lying when he says his tooth didn't get knocked out ,his phony tooth did though. He will pop into the dentist, pop down $10,000 and walk out 20 minutes later with no problem.

People don't like Floyd because of his character and actions outside the ring. His personality is not entertaining,he doesn't sound original . His boxing style doesn't excite people enough. Floyd wants most fans to hate him so his business plan is working. It is what it is."


Not a bad summary of the state of play.

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tkosandtimbalestheintersectionofboxingandmusic Press Release
TKOs and Timbales: The Intersection of Boxing and Music

Bronx Music Heritage Center and El Maestro to Present TKOs and Timbales: The Intersection of Boxing and Music Learn about the rich history of music and boxing in the Bronx on Saturday, September 20 (Bronx, New York) – On Saturday, Sept. 20, the Bronx Music Heritage Center – part of the Women’s Housing and Economic Development Corp. (WHEDco) – will join boxing gym and cultural center El Maestro in presenting TKOs & Timbales: The Intersection of Boxing and Music. The free, daylong series includes a panel discussion...

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