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Froggy:

Radam G, you said he's gonna fall in the round you call, he going to fight him, he going to fight him !!??

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Radam G:

"You are primarily referring to the Judah fight. Floyd's glove touched the canvas and a knock down should have been called. However, with the exception of the first four rounds, Floyd dominated the fight.

This brings me to another point. In that fight and against other southpaws, Floyd doesn't really use the Philly Shell/shoulder roll, except in spots. He is a great defensive fighter and realizes that the southpaw angle does not allow him to roll a "left cross" as he would a "right cross" against a orthodox fighter. Lately, Floyd fights a southpaw by keeping his lead hand (jab hand) long so he can parry the jab and shoot his jab. When all else fails he uses a high guard defense and does a lot of slipping/dipping when cornered. I don't just watch boxing, I'm a student of the game. I have no dog in the fight, Floyd isn't paying my bills. He whips Manny relatively easy."


"High guard" my arse! He goes earmuffing, and is exposed to body snatching and uppercut catching. The southpaws who put it on him in the pros were -- first:

Reggie Sanders, who confused da syet outta Money May and cut his eye and top lip. Pops Joy May was in jail at that time for being a pusher man, and was as mad as a gorilla bytch.

He cussed Uncle Jeff and Uncle Roger out and told them not to ever let "Lil' fight another southpaw" until he got out of jail. And when he got out of jail, he let Money May spar with the southpaw "Pittsburgh Kid," who also put a beat down on Money May.

Second: DeMarcus Corey knocked Money May down into the ropes, but the blind ref missed it. And didn't call it. DC let Money May get his head with taunts and put downs. Thus, Money May won.

Third: The world saw the hotheaded, immature Super Zab Judah do da do on Money May. But Money May taunting and mocking Judah caused Judah to lose it all by losing his head.

Da Manny is from a different culture. Money May can do nothing to get into Da Manny's head or effect with stateside bullsyet fro the U.S. mainland.

If it would be fight, during the promoting times, Money May would not put his on hands Da Manny, as Money May did Vicious-less Victor Ortiz. Because then it would not be a squared jungle Bout.

Da Manny would beat da smithereens out of Money May on the spot, while Da Manny's stealth security guards of former SEALS Teams, CIA, DIA, Delta Force and Pinoy and other Asian Ninja forces beat da hebejeebeez out of Money May's roids-using big uglies.

Pac haters can deal with make-believe and fantasy all they like. But it is the American way of the locked out and can't be. About one of their ratchet, cruel-to-reality-of-the-actuality heros, they believe bulljive that they cannot even see. And they cannot see it, because of in-love major blindness. Love of Money May's triple jive, makes his fanfaronades and groupies blind to all.

Money May will fall in the round I call. Hehehe! He is on short time, and knows it. And he's scared s**tless of Da Manny. Holla!

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michigan400:

"Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales.
In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri.

But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance.
Floyd can still do both of those things very well.

Make it happen in may."


Agree on all points!! Well said.

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales.

In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri.



But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance.

Floyd can still do both of those things very well.



Make it happen in may."




I agree B-Sug. In my opinion Manny would be less of a risk than Thurman or even Khan stylistically and I think Money knows that, which is why we might actually get to see the fight.

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

In a perfect world Andre Ward moves up to light heavyweight and cleans out the division in a easier fashion than he did at 168. Stevenson is a essentially a one arm fighter and Kovalev is very good but Ward's ability to smother and fight on the inside would negate a lot of his power. Politics/legal issues are keeping the best super middleweight/light heavyweight out of the game. Kovalev and Stevenson are very lucky.

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brownsugar:

Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales.
In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri.

But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance.
Floyd can still do both of those things very well.

Make it happen in may.

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Froggy:

"Stevenson is the Epitome of a Canadian certified Tomato Can! The guy is less than 1 dimensional! Where did he dig this opponent up? Ladbrokes gives Stevenson a 1/25 amd 11/1 for Suhdowsky! Not even breaking a sweat! Lets get a drink of water here!"



So that must make Chad Dawson the Epitome of an American certified Tomato Can, or maybe worse ! That's not my opinion, but it must be yours !

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brownsugar:

Stevenson is a mixed bag......Stevenson started boxing relatively late. He was also stopped early in his career. And against Fonfara, Superman's performance bared a closer resemblence to Averageman.



How quickly things change......previously Stevenson could do no wrong, plowing through Don George, and Dawson in quick succession proves that Stevenson is certainly more than just a lucky guy. Adonis is a boxer who weilds considerable power.



But there has been a palpable deflation in Adonis's powerful persona after (when asked if he would fight Kovalev) An unprovoked Adonis Stevenson insulted Kovalev, in terms that could only be interpreted as fighting words.....he then quickly accepted All Haymons' offer to join Showtime which rendered a Kovalev fight null and void......Adonis was promptly inducted into boxings version of the witness protection program....



These events couldnt have happened at a worst time. Especially when the dollars where flowing and interest in the Kovalev vs Stevenson fight was at an all time high.



If the fight happens now Adonis will enter as the B side,....If he's lucky the cable producers won't queue the sound of clucking chickens when he enters the ring.



In the meantime Kovalev passed from fighting in near obscurity to becoming the man to beat at light heavy by emerging victorious from his championship fight (baptism by fire) against the wiley and ultra resourceful Bernard Hopkins.



Stevenson needs to work on looking really good in this fight to regain his universal swagger or just plan on finishing his career up in Canada where he will be much more appreciated. I hope he does well enough to get people talking about Kovalev vs Stevenson again.



As far as Pascal goes... He has become a main event fighter, Sadly by the time some boxers becomes a main event fighter he's already past the apex of his career. A word of friendly advice, keep Pascal as far away from Kovalev as possible.



I forgot, Pascal has already signed to fight Kovalev in March.

Bold move by Pascal.

Good night sweet prince.

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"True DA! True DA! Styles make fights.



And Money May has the wrong style to hang with Da Manny. And Money May knows it because he and his shoulder rolling, earmuffing and head drop folding were hurt by five southpaws -- two in the amateurs that beat his arse -- and three in the pros that cut up his mug or knocked him down or into the ropes.



The blind refs missed it, but world can see it on film video. Holla!"




You are primarily referring to the Judah fight. Floyd's glove touched the canvas and a knock down should have been called. However, with the exception of the first four rounds, Floyd dominated the fight.



This brings me to another point. In that fight and against other southpaws, Floyd doesn't really use the Philly Shell/shoulder roll, except in spots. He is a great defensive fighter and realizes that the southpaw angle does not allow him to roll a "left cross" as he would a "right cross" against a orthodox fighter. Lately, Floyd fights a southpaw by keeping his lead hand (jab hand) long so he can parry the jab and shoot his jab. When all else fails he uses a high guard defense and does a lot of slipping/dipping when cornered. I don't just watch boxing, I'm a student of the game. I have no dog in the fight, Floyd isn't paying my bills. He whips Manny relatively easy.

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Radam G:

T-Craw would get kayoed in the middle of switching from righty to lefty. He doesn't do it correctly. An in-shape Gamboa would have stopped him. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I am using my head. Styles make fights and Manny is made to order for master boxers; pugilist that can negotiate timing and distance. Crawford doesn't have the resume yet, but his skills are already pound 4 pound worthy. Only a hater states otherwise."

True DA! True DA! Styles make fights.

And Money May has the wrong style to hang with Da Manny. And Money May knows it because he and his shoulder rolling, earmuffing and head drop folding were hurt by five southpaws -- two in the amateurs that beat his arse -- and three in the pros that cut up his mug or knocked him down or into the ropes.

The blind refs missed it, but world can see it on film video. Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Da Manny is a world fighter. Money May is an American fighter. And in his own words, he is for the Afrikan-AmerKanos, Mexicans and (poor) whites against the (rich Jew) Caucasians and Asians. WTF! Forget Money May. He talks so much syet.



Money May is such a rich Don-King-like bulks***er that he has pulled blue collar-working Mexicans and blacks into believing that he is fighting the war for them against the big-money whites -- especially Jews like da Bobfather -- and the big-brain Asians.



Money May is out of the Looney Tunes. And he has seriously messed up some blue-collar workers and out-of-work hanging-out-standing-on-the-corners dudes' brain chemicals. He has turned those dudes in cartoons.



C'mon, SRD! Quit it! Use your head, not your heart. Money May has fought cherry-picking smart. And he is going to stay away from fighting Da Manny, because Da Manny would tear his arse apart.



And lets just wait and see T-Craw. I'm not so sure that he can even beat C-Al and a whole lot of other pugs at 140lbs. He fought a rusty, outta-of-the-ring-for-too-long Gamboa. And a Da-Manny sparringmate that T-Craw could not stop. Holla!"




I am using my head. Styles make fights and Manny is made to order for master boxers; pugilist that can negotiate timing and distance. Crawford doesn't have the resume yet, but his skills are already pound 4 pound worthy. Only a hater states otherwise.

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Radam G:

Da Manny is a world fighter. Money May is an American fighter. And in his own words, he is for the Afrikan-AmerKanos, Mexicans and (poor) whites against the (rich Jew) Caucasians and Asians. WTF! Forget Money May. He talks so much syet.

Money May is such a rich Don-King-like bulks***er that he has pulled blue collar-working Mexicans and blacks into believing that he is fighting the war for them against the big-money whites -- especially Jews like da Bobfather -- and the big-brain Asians.

Money May is out of the Looney Tunes. And he has seriously messed up some blue-collar workers and out-of-work hanging-out-standing-on-the-corners dudes' brain chemicals. He has turned those dudes in cartoons.

C'mon, SRD! Quit it! Use your head, not your heart. Money May has fought cherry-picking smart. And he is going to stay away from fighting Da Manny, because Da Manny would tear his arse apart.

And lets just wait and see T-Craw. I'm not so sure that he can even beat C-Al and a whole lot of other pugs at 140lbs. He fought a rusty, outta-of-the-ring-for-too-long Gamboa. And a Da-Manny sparringmate that T-Craw could not stop. Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"http://youtu.be/meOshQpDTDk



Roy Jones Jr blasts Mayweather.



Some funny things:



* Roy said Mayweather should have fought Pac already so he can retire because people are sick of trying to stay awake during Floyds fights.



* Roy said the supposed best ever just danced 24 rounds with Maidana and the most exciting thing about the fight was Maidana bit Floyd and Floyd jumped around and cried like a girl worse than holyfield did when he had his ear chomped off."




He is also on record as saying that Floyd would beat Pac if the two ever fought. Roy is just hating because Floyd is on Showtime now. Hey Roy, don't hate the player, hate the game!

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deepwater2:

http://youtu.be/meOshQpDTDk



Roy Jones Jr blasts Mayweather.



Some funny things:



* Roy said Mayweather should have fought Pac already so he can retire because people are sick of trying to stay awake during Floyds fights.



* Roy said the supposed best ever just danced 24 rounds with Maidana and the most exciting thing about the fight was Maidana bit Floyd and Floyd jumped around and cried like a girl worse than holyfield did when he had his ear chomped off.

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"Hehehe! Keep hallucinating. But optical illusions don't work in the reality of the actuality. And that mythology of psychology is the WRONG philosophy. That is street jive. It doesn't work in dat squared jungle.



Da Manny is a skilled boxer-swarmer, cutie dancer, starker-a$$-kicking walker. He will peacok-strut beat Money May or T-Craw down. You haters would be shocked, and could not make a sound. You would your boys Money May and T-Craw at lost and found.



Hehehe! You got jokes. Holla!"




Manny better keep fighting powder puff punchers like Bradley and Algieri with limited skills lol. The last "A" level boxer (Marquez) with skills Manny faced knocked him smooth out. Bob better keep feeding Manny "B/B+" level fighters. Avoid fighters like Floyd and Crawford at all cost. The truth hurts brother, but it will set you free!

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Radam G:

Hehehe! Keep hallucinating. But optical illusions don't work in the reality of the actuality. And that mythology of psychology is the WRONG philosophy. That is street jive. It doesn't work in dat squared jungle.



Da Manny is a skilled boxer-swarmer, cutie dancer, starker-a$$-kicking walker. He will peacok-strut beat Money May or T-Craw down. You haters would be shocked, and could not make a sound. You would your boys Money May and T-Craw at lost and found.



Hehehe! You got jokes. Holla!

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Bernie Campbell:

Stevenson is the Epitome of a Canadian certified Tomato Can! The guy is less than 1 dimensional! Where did he dig this opponent up? Ladbrokes gives Stevenson a 1/25 amd 11/1 for Suhdowsky! Not even breaking a sweat! Lets get a drink of water here!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"T-Craw is a modern-day Donald Curry. He is going to be a big disappointment for you. And ev'ybodee and dey can beat Da Manny until they are in dat squared jungle across from him. They they get beat down. Holla!"



There is levels to this $hit. Crawford neutralizes the southpaw angle/advantage by fighting Manny out of the southpaw stance and puts on a clinic. Keith Thurman catches Manny jumping in and knocks the little man out. The Virgil Hunter version of Khan also gives Manny fits. It's time for Manny to face a threat, he can run but he can't hide. Nobody is going to buy or support another Chris Algeri caliber fight again. The gig is up, holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"What do you expect from Pauline -- I l mean Paulie -- he Is just a C+ pug -- and a G lover of tsAH and Money May. Paulie puts lotion on their balls. Hehe! Dude ain't right. For the tandem of MM and tsAH, he's tight. He is always on call for short time. Hehehe! Holla!"



Manny is a very good boxer, but skill wise he isn't even in the top 5 pound 4 pound. I mentioned the Crawford fight because it is a fight that is easy to negotiate and it would be very dangerous for Pac. I will go as far as to say that Pac hasn't fought a boxer as skilled as Crawford. Pac better get that Mayweather money while he can because I can name about 3 jr. welterweights/welterweights that can beat him. Pac is one of the most protected fighters in boxing, but the gig is up. Holla!

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Radam G:

T-Craw is a modern-day Donald Curry. He is going to be a big disappointment for you. And ev'ybodee and dey can beat Da Manny until they are in dat squared jungle across from him. They they get beat down. Holla!

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Radam G:

"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY

Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above."


What do you expect from Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- he Is just a C+ pug -- and a G lover of tsAH and Money May. Paulie puts lotion on their balls. Hehe! Dude ain't right. For the tandem of MM and tsAH, he's tight. He is always on call for short time. Hehehe! Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"WOW! WOW! OMFG! You suffer from serious luv-Floyd blindness.



Lil' Floyd will get "pot shotted" and knocked down more time than Chris Algieri did, because delusional Lil' Floyd hops in with his slap jabbing, side-right bear clawing and kangaroo left hooking. And when Money May cannot shoulder roll, he puts on ear muffs. Da Manny "will his break his ribs and arm-pit missile "dat muthapucka and make him sh*t his trunks," says my Tio Mamoy.



Money May has no defense against Da Manny's right hook. And when and if Money May shoulder rolls, he will be a big sucker for Da Manny's left cross and left uppercut off it.



Money May is easy to beat. That is why about fighting Da Manny, he is in steady retreat. And to all his fanfaronades, fan boys and groupies, he bullsyets.



Look how clumsy and amateurish that Money May's foot work is. And don't forget how aboveI I wrote how he throws -- not shoot -- punches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmM9dxGvxs.



Money May doesn't want that work. Because Da Manny will destroy another myth, which is full of syet, xylocaine, blood doping and hormone replacement therapy. Holla!"






http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY



Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above.

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Radam G:

"Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers.

Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy.

Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour.

Race, perhaps - but not colour.

Even then (as far as race) it usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG.

I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on.

But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view.

There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing.

Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples.

If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also?

Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism.

But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean.

In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport.

Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired.

Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are.

This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys.

Anyway, that's just my perspective.

Happy to be set straight on my oversights."

Great perspective. Boxing is a long way from being as racist as Money May and Ben Thompson claim. Maybe the knuckleheads who don't have power are racists, but they don't have influence and cannot make da play to control the pay.

Let us holla at some history of the reality of the actuality.

From 1905 to 1915, considering today's weak dollar and world inflation, "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson was making Money May's type of money and was the top paid athlete.

During World War II, the top-paid athlete -- with his endorsement -- was Joe Louis.

During the Vietnam War, the top paid athlete was Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali, who bragged how he could pay the salaries of thousands of troop and buy a couple "M-14 jets," and still not be broke.

And since that time, holla at all the boxing millionaires of color who were ripped off by a Don King, not da BobFather. And it was no white Jew ripping off Da Manny. Holla at notorious crook Murad Muhammad.

C'mon, man! Money May's lifestyle, tude and fright of Da Manny are the problems haunting him from being a "billionaire," not racism.

Without getting caught up in Money May's phony jive, he is full of Fairy-Tail making-up bullsyet. In the top 10 of who has made the most money in boxing by today's value of the dollar, 10 Afrikan-Amerkanos are at the top.

Now what racist sport will do that? And don't try to pull a trick and say that they would have made more if they were white. Boston Bad Boy John L.Sullivan was white. He could have been boxing's first millionaire. But he would not fight a black fighter, he made less. The same with Jack Dempsey and others. The Cinderella Man fought a black, he made more money.

Now bulljiving Money May ought to QUIT. If he fights an Asian -- y'all know which one I'm talking -- he could be that billionaire.

But he rather talk dumb sh** about him representing "the Mexicans and African Americans against the (Jew) Caucasians and Asians." And that the last time that he checked, Cinco de mayo was a holiday for everybody. But now "Oscar Dela Hoya is back with Bob Arum, and is trying to take the holiday away." Holla!

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Carmine Cas:

"Racism is a problem.



So is Misogyny.



Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.



Floyd is in the NY Daily news this morning for grabbing a salesgirl's arm and calling her a b...h and w...e, At Saks yesterday. Floyd didn't even ask to see her last 6 pay checks or current pay per view numbers before engaging her."




LOL did he give her the blow up Chino gloves or did he let her choose?

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Carmine Cas:

"Floyd earns more than any other athlete in the world and he has done it by doing it "his way." Boxing is ARGUABLY a racist sport, but so is football (American) and other sports. Racism is ingrained in every facet of society. I choose to focus on Floyd's boxing ability because he is no Muhammad Ali when it comes to speaking out against the establishment or social injustice. He is a very good business man and a genius inside the ring. Nothing more, nothing less. He should exit the sport on his own terms after defeating Khan and Manny!"



I mean when you're a die hard fan of pugilism it makes it easier to see past a boxer's flaws but at the end of the day the pugilist is still going to be placed under a microscope.



Floyd's business acumen will truly be put to the test after he retires and Showtime isn't paying him $34 million + a pop..

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Radam G:

"He's not a POS, Ben Thompson is a good dude. Have you ever met him? He's a real cool brother man. Not talking about about anything he does with his site, just talking as a human being."



YUP! I know him. He is a 15-faced chameleon. You have to understand that many people in and around boxing have umpteen personalities. BT will not stand up to Money May. He is a fan boy. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers.

Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy.

Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour.

Race, perhaps - but not colour.

Even then (as far as race) it usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG.

I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on.

But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view.

There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing.

Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples.

If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also?

Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism.

But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean.

In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport.

Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired.

Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are.

This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys.

Anyway, that's just my perspective.

Happy to be set straight on my oversights.

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stormcentre:

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers.

Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy.

Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour.

Race, perhaps - but not colour.

Even then (as far as race) its usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG.

I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on.

But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view.

There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing.

Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples.

If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also?

Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism.

But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean.

In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport.

Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired.

Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are.

This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys.

Anyway, that's just my perspective.

Happy to be set straight on my oversights.

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stormcentre:

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers.

Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy.

Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour.

Race, perhaps - but not colour.

Even then (as far as race) it's usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG.

I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on.

But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view.

There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing.

Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples.

If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also?

Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism.

But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean.

In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport.

Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired.

Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and contain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . it can create a situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves are acting in a way that they believe others are.

This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys.

Anyway, that's just my perspective.

Happy to be set straight on my oversights.

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