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The Commish:

"I predicted a phony injury that postponed this fight earlier due to Don King.

Now the question is ,if Jay Z - Roc Nation shows up and wins the purse bid, will tsAH pull a Quillin and yank DW out of the fight?

I was betting tsAH would come to terms before a purse bid was ordered just to Lock out the new guy on the block.


Quillin lost whatever few fans he had when he ducked MK. People on here can say he might make more money in his next fight but a champion would keep his belt,defend against his mandatory for his biggest purse ever and then make another defense for bigger money. Quillin isn't even a paper champion anymore."


The purse bid was originally supposed to take place on September 12. It was then postponed until October 1, because, according to Don King, Bermane Stiverne had suffered a hand injury in his title-winning fight against Cris Arreola in May, and the hand was still sore.

Uh-huh. If you bought that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you, as well.

In reality, Stiverne needed more time. He had become a heavyweight Roberto Duran, eating his way right out of the division following his big win. King also needed the additional time to try and find a loophole to get Stiverne another fight, a different opponent, not one who stands a shade over 6'7," has taken out all 32 of his opponents and is in the gym six days a week.

On top of it all, King had to deal with Wilder's adviser, Al Haymon. King is not used to hearing any voice other than his at the negotiating table. He is not used to being verbally manhandled. King is not used to pointing his finger at someone in a negotiation and yelling, "Do you have any idea of what I can do to you? You and your fighter will be out of the ratings before you get to the door. I will ruin you. I will ruin both of you!" Times have changed!

Whether King likes it or not, Bermane Stiverne is going to have to make his first--and possibly only--defense against Deontay Wilder, most likely under a promotional banner other than Don King Promotions. It will be interesting to see if Stiverne's manager, wealthy businessman Camille Estephan, will show up in Mexico City to make a purse bid on the fight. One thing we know: It won't be King. For whatever reason, this lonely, tired, extremely wealthy octogenarian will not reach into his deep pockets to promote this fight. Why? The fact is, he has no faith in his fighter being able to make it past this first defense. Why go through the trouble of promoting a show, King figures, when the man you're promoting is not going to win.

Moving from a Haymon heavyweight (Wilder) to a Haymon middleweight (Peter Quillin), here's the story. This is a business to Haymon, not a sport. It's all about making money. I know Peter Quillin. I know him well. He wanted to fight Matt Korobov. He wants to fight Miguel Cotto. He wants to face GGG. However, Peter Quillin does two things: He trains and he fights. He doesn't do business. He doesn't negotiate money. He doesn't talk contracts. He doesn't play one network against the other. He was set to face Korobov when Haymon stepped in and said "The fight's off. You're vacating the title."
He didn't want to work with Top Rank-promoted Korobov. In doing so, Haymon/Quillin gave up a $1.4 million payday. Haymon doesn't give up $1.4 million paydays unless he has a plan. A plan it is. That plan will be implemented in early 2015. If successful, there will be a lot more than $1.4 million waiting for Quillin. As I said, this is a business to Haymon. Nothing more.

Don't blame Quillin for listening to the Chief Financial Officer of his business.

Haymon and Quillin didn't mean to upset you. It's nothing personal.

It's just business!

-Randy G.

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yomi:

@The Commish

Yes, Jim was about as biased as he always is (read: very). Regardless of that all three official scorecards were laughably bad and ruined a great contest. I expected a draw, or a one or two point difference in either man's favour. 117-111 twice and 119-109 makes me think that the judges filled out their scorecards long before the bell rang for the first round. Which in turn makes me think "Wish I hadn't wasted my time watching a fixed fight". I love our sport, but I'm not sure how many more of these I can take (there's been far too many recently).





@skibbz

Glad that Hearn has convinced the WBO to review, hopefully Smith wil get a rematch... having said that, I'm sure that Raymundo Beltran is feeling even more hard done by at the moment...

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brownsugar:

Ward posted a few good appropriate words in response to Goossen's passing on his Facebook page. I received about twenty notifications regarding Goossen on my page as well. It's evident that he was admired by many .... Even casual fans.

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brownsugar:

I hear you Deep.

I'm looking forward to Stevens vs N'Dam.
He's recovered well from the GGG beat down and looks as confident and brash as ever.

N'Dam can move and box but he can't take hard punches well.
If Stevens wins I'd like to see if Quillin will go for his title.
Its a good "All NY Battle" with two evenly matched bangers.

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brownsugar:

Good tribute to Mr Derian

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brownsugar:

"You're right Brownsugar, in the amateurs he was a mega star, when you spoke of Lomachenko, Beterbiev's name shortly followed. There are more like those two still biding their time waiting for the right offers and right climate to make their move.

Someone who's mega stardom in the amateurs, a game where you can't simply run your mouth - a place where your fists and conditioning to all the talking, came from his exemplar skill is not going to be caught and disposed of by a thunder punch. It will take someone as skilled and determined to do it.

He is very subtle in his defence as you point out, his ring IQ is extremely high and he is incredibly sharp. He has great imagination to throw very high level punches from awkward or unexpected positions which catch his opponents off guard completely. What's even more notable in the Pro's is that he likes to scrap. He isn't one to shy away from fisticuffs but he will seek it out and when the time comes establish himself on top. He will treat us to a lot of good quality fights."


Well spoken Skibbz.
I liked his defense... just enough to avoid getting hit with hard shots.

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deepwater2:

I predicted a phony injury that postponed this fight earlier due to Don King.



Now the question is ,if Jay Z - Roc Nation shows up and wins the purse bid, will tsAH pull a Quillin and yank DW out of the fight?



I was betting tsAH would come to terms before a purse bid was ordered just to Lock out the new guy on the block.





Quillin lost whatever few fans he had when he ducked MK. People on here can say he might make more money in his next fight but a champion would keep his belt,defend against his mandatory for his biggest purse ever and then make another defense for bigger money. Quillin isn't even a paper champion anymore.

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Skibbz:

"I don't think BeterB will stay at light heavy. He's fought at heavyweight (201) and is said to be more comfortable between 180 to 201.
Dude looks like he was carved out of igneous rock.
His defense was subtle but deft and his offense was brutal yet reserved and calculated against Cloud.
It will take pure boxing skill....not power ... to defeat this man."


You're right Brownsugar, in the amateurs he was a mega star, when you spoke of Lomachenko, Beterbiev's name shortly followed. There are more like those two still biding their time waiting for the right offers and right climate to make their move.

Someone who's mega stardom in the amateurs, a game where you can't simply run your mouth - a place where your fists and conditioning to all the talking, came from his exemplar skill is not going to be caught and disposed of by a thunder punch. It will take someone as skilled and determined to do it.

He is very subtle in his defence as you point out, his ring IQ is extremely high and he is incredibly sharp. He has great imagination to throw very high level punches from awkward or unexpected positions which catch his opponents off guard completely. What's even more notable in the Pro's is that he likes to scrap. He isn't one to shy away from fisticuffs but he will seek it out and when the time comes establish himself on top. He will treat us to a lot of good quality fights.

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Skibbz:

I watched the fight again late last night, I can see the 115-113 Randy, and the argument for 114 a piece could be valid too. I will stand with my 115-113 I made initially. I don't think Arthur did enough to swing the rounds, his sharp jab was impressive however.

A rematch would surely be the way forward, this fight would sell big in Liverpool especially if they fill the card with more of the Smith family. Next time I think it will be a bettter fight, Abraham will be more efficient and not waste himself in the first half of the fight, but Smith hurt him so we will no doubt see a great fight.

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Skibbz:

May he rest in peace. My thoughts are with the Goossen family.

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Skibbz:

A pleasure to read Commissioner, Ed truly was one of a kind.

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stormcentre:

RIP Dan.

All the best to your family and loved ones.

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stormcentre:

RIP Dan.

All the best to your family and loved ones.

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Carmine Cas:

Awesome piece Commish, Ed Derian is looking down and smiling.

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the Roast:

The Commish is on another level high above us average Joe keyboard mashers. This article is further proof.
Ed Derian was one of a kind and we will not see another like him.
I can identify with that two hour drive. I reconnected with a really good friend on facebook a few years ago. About twenty years had passed. Before the cell phone/text/email era I started dating my future wife and my friend started dating her future husband and we just lost touch with each other. When we started talking again on fb and texting and some phone calls it was like we just picked up where we left of all those years ago. We kept saying we would get together for coffee or get our spouses and go to dinner but we never got around to it. One tearful phone call my friend tells me she has stage four stomach cancer and not too long after she was gone. Her husband who I hadn't met yet text me from her phone about five hours after she passed. I went to her wake and shook his hand and told him how sorry I was. He said that she mentioned us all getting together for dinner and wished that we had. I wish we did too.

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dino da vinci:

Great work Randy. Much love for Mr Derian.

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Kid Blast:

One of your very best Randy. Had my eyes moist.

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Radam G:

Marvelous copy! Just awesome! Maybe Ed Derian will be announcing our arrivals to those Pearly Gates when it is our time to head that way.

Until then, Ed Derian. DERIAN! Holla!

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Radam G:

Nice copy, T-Ha! Through your awesome copy, Dan lives on. His kind heart beats on in sweet harmony of the sweet science that he loved so much.

From the Pearly Gates of God's Kingdom, one can see Dan's gentle grin. Right on, Dan! Much luv FORVER! Holla!

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Radam G:

Definitely a rematch is in order. Holla!

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Kid Blast:

Yes a good piece indeed

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amayseng:

Good article.


Hope to read more on Dan's life.

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The Commish:

From what I am now hearing, a purse bid still looms for this Wednesday, in the offices of WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman.

Hmm. Guess we'll know more in one hour when Deontay is on. But then, sometimes the fighters are the last to know!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"For what it's worth the WBO have stated they will investigate the scorecards.. No word on whether they'll over rule or void the scores but it would certainly be a step in the right direction. A rematch in Liverpool would sell very well, but something tells me Sauerland Bro's won't do it unless forced."

I can see where the scores were one-sided. Close, competitive, two-sided bouts will do that. However, Abraham was really winning most of the rounds, and doing it with a very tight defense. Actually, both showed tremendous defense. I had it 115-113 for Abraham, but found myself trying to give some borderline rounds to Smith, who acquitted himself very well over the championship distance.

I thought the rounds Smith won were very close, and could see where a judge might cop out and call the round even (I try not to score any round even, but that's just me).

Abraham had himself perhaps his best three minutes in Round 8, as he put his punches together well, mixing it up to both the head and body. But, feeling the fight slipping away, Smith came back strong in the ninth.

The 12th was one of the most action-packed of a thrilling, competitive bout.

By the way, I watched it with the sound off. I didn't get to hear what many said was a biased call by Jim Watt. Was it biased?

How about a rematch?

-Randy G.

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Radam G:

"Wilder will be on my SiriusXM show today at 6:30 p.m. (ET), with me, Gerry Cooney and The Shadow.

-Randy G."


WTF! I should call in. Naaaaa! I will just listen in, as I occasionally do. D-Wild will know me by my Cali accent, so when and if I call, I will use my British Hong Kong accent. Holla!

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amayseng:

"wHAT NUMBER ON THE DIAL"

92

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amayseng:

What a terrible loss.

Condolences to the family and friends of Dan.

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Kid Blast:

wHAT NUMBER ON THE DIAL

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The Commish:

Wilder will be on my SiriusXM show today at 6:30 p.m. (ET), with me, Gerry Cooney and The Shadow.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Word to the P-Islands' pugvine is that the bout is still not made. So it remains just a dream match. Don't tell me, similarly with making the bout between Lil' Floyd and Da Manny, we are getting another batch. Holla!"



No, this ain't $$$May-Da' Manny talk, talk, talk. A few things needc to be ironed out. Looks like it'll be a done deal by Thursday.



But this is no make believe chatter by Don King and Oscar dela Hoya. Bermane Stiverne v Deontay Wilder is going to happen.



-Randy G.

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