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rdv_27:

Ahhhh Jack Johnson the guy who in a way got me into Jaaazz music and boxing. I wish they'd make more documentaries about other boxers like those they made about him.

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Radam G:

He got the Jeffries brothers petty good and whipped both of their srses, and they were not even cruel to him.

They were just used and hopes for racism. Nevertheless, traveling around the world and becoming fluent in five languages, maybe "Big Ole Smoke" was much more than an American hero, he was/is a world hero. Holla!

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The Commish:

"Right on, Storm. I'm new here myself, but already look forward to your posts. Keep it up, brother."

He is the one storm everybody loves to see coming!

Keep on stormin'!!!!!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

"Great piece commish.

As for the weight issues that we have been seeing a lot of and on a consistent basis, here is my suggestion.

Make the fighters really think about it before signing that contract and make it such that "buying" a weight advantage will hit them hard in the pocketbook.

How hard? I say 75% of the purse if they reach an agreement to move forward. The commissions need to be aligned on this of course but there is no fighter out there that wouldn't think twice about having 75% of their purse taken.

And where would that 75% go? I say 50% percent goes to the fighter hurt and 25% gets rebated back to the fans who bought tickets to the event but not getting all that they were paying for.

With such a high penalty, I think we would see fighters missing the contracted weight happen less often. This could lead to more cancellations (if a fighter is not looking good to make weight more mysterious injuries may appear) but would eliminate the issues with weight we are having now by not allowing fighters to buy weight advantages in the hope of furthering their careers with a big win with that advantage."


I like the thought.

Any other ideas?

It's ideas like this, when thrown around in state athletic commission boardrooms, get turned into rules and policy.

A chin shot is effective as are well-placed body shots.

But nothing hurts a fighter more than a hard, powerful shot to the wallet. When this happens, his whole team is punished. The less money he makes, the less their take is.

Start smacking their wallets and watch what happens on the day of a weigh-in: Everybody will make weight.

You can go to the bank with that!

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Of course his race held him back. white America wasn't ready for an African-American heavyweight champion, especially one as brash, outspoken and controversial as Johnson.

I have been fortunate to have met so many incredible legends of this great sport. Jack Johnson is the one guy that, if I could go back in time to meet, I would.

If he were around today, he'd be another Muhammad Ali.

To the memory of Jack Johnson, I apologize for all the Kenesaw "Mountain" Landis', James Jeffries', Jim Crows' and all the other hate-filled Americans who did him wrong.

Jack Johnson was more than a boxing hero.

He was an American hero!

-Randy G.

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Pazuzu:

Right on, Storm. I'm new here myself, but already look forward to your posts. Keep it up, brother.

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amayseng:

"Agreed. The Russian is raw and I ain't even completely sold on his power. So I'm definitely leaning toward a Hopkins decision. Am excited, it'll be my first time in Atlantic City. Anyone else here attending the fight??? We must meet!"

I will be there.

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Radam G:

"Great article ! I live about an hours drive from where Tommy Burns came from, Burns was the first white champion to give a black boxer a shot at the title and after him no one gave a black boxer a shot at the title until James J. Braddock was beat by Joe Louis, and that includes Johnson ! I don't know why Johnson never defended his title against another black boxer, it would be interesting to hear some theories ! I should clarify I was talking about the heavyweight title, another Canadian, George Dixon, was the first black Champion before Johnson !"



Easy breezy WHY! MONEY!



After "Big Ole Smoke, " whup up on Tommy Boy, aka "Noah, "Unforgivable Blackness" announced that he was continuing the "drawing of the Color Line." And not fight any "Colored fighters," especially Sam Longford because he was "a foreigner" and "I won the title back for Americans."



Holla at some of Jack Johnson's own spoken words on YouTube. He was a paradox and an enigma. Holla!

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Radam G:

"Dudes record speaks for itself..Handled by his father the whole trip! Sometimes maybe a little too slow! First Arab-American Olympian that has competed this far into the zone! You dont think this man had opposition from his own countryman? The original "Ugly American" Displays a great talent for Boxing as well as power! eratic! His Uncle owns a deli on Richmond ave a couple of blocks away from where I live! Wonderment and a degree of pride come oozing out when we talk of his nephews sucsess! He has hit the big time! undefeated welterweight! If When How and Why! These answers should manifest about 11:00 pm Saturday! We push the clocks back that night! Or is it this weekend!"



Wow, B-Camp! You were spittin' real for a change. I knew that you can holla when you want to. Get down with it! With your bad self! SOLID! On a scale with 10 being the best, I give you a 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5KKUD_Yrs. Holla!

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Froggy:

"Um...what case?"



I think that David Philips was saying that yes, indeed Johnson had a hard time as a boxer and as a human being because of his color ! That was his case and he made his case very well !

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stormcentre:

I like Gabe too.

But - being critical at, and mindful of, top level boxing - I think Gabe has some issues that need addressing.

BS, you stole my thunder with Charlo there. Charlo is probably a good contender at this stage, and that fight between Charlo and Rosado showed where Gabe is at.

One one hand; Gabe is too musclebound and (as an amateur) inexperienced to be moved too fast in my opinion.

Then on the other hand; contrasting with that is his discipline, durability, willingness and mentality; that seems to say "let's do it now, I'll get paid to learn on the job".

It's an interesting, if not unique, pugilistic experiment, as the latter often constitutes essential qualities some really skilled boxers can't access - whilst the former (and all I infer with it) is almost absolutely essential if you are to make it to the top, stay there for a while and retire with all your faculties in tact- unless, of course, you're B-Hop - who seems to be Gabe's idol and mentor.

Gabe's win over Vera in that "fight" was good for him, and I think that explains where he's at right now.

Rosado is a very tough "fighter" learning on the job.

However, when he runs into a very tough boxer that can also fight; unless he has made up for the above-mentioned deficits, I fear he will be seriously busted up.

Very few tough "fighters" make it to the top and stay there long enough to make it worthwhile without a decent amateur background and/or defence.

Especially in the middleweights where you can run into guys that hit has hard as heavyweights and almost as fast as welterweights.

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Bernie Campbell:

Dudes record speaks for itself..Handled by his father the whole trip! Sometimes maybe a little too slow! First Arab-American Olympian that has competed this far into the zone! You dont think this man had opposition from his own countryman? The original "Ugly American" Displays a great talent for Boxing as well as power! eratic! His Uncle owns a deli on Richmond ave a couple of blocks away from where I live! Wonderment and a degree of pride come oozing out when we talk of his nephews sucsess! He has hit the big time! undefeated welterweight! If When How and Why! These answers should manifest about 11:00 pm Saturday! We push the clocks back that night! Or is it this weekend!

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stormcentre:

"Wonderful contributions all around, one of my favorites! Reeks of wisdom and boxing knowledge. Can probably still kick a lot of a$$. The thunder of Storm from down under rocks on."

Thanks Shadow - you're very generous with your praise and I am a grateful recipient of it.

I like your posts too.

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stormcentre:

"I don't comment much but I read this forum on a daily basis. StormCenter, your posts are my favorite because you really explain the technical aspects of a fight(er). I am not able to notice those aspects and it really helps if someone spots them, explains their working and their flaws. Thanks and congrats!"



Thanks man - that's a great compliment.

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stormcentre:

"Why did you change from being "Steve" to being "Strom, er, stormcentre?"



-Randy G."




Firstly; my real name is not Steve.



Secondly; I went to Europe for a while, got extremely busy and didn't maintain much internet use.



Thirdly; when I finally went to log back on as "Steve", I think, the username was taken.



Fourthly; Stormcentre has a special significance to me.

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oubobcat:

Great piece commish.

As for the weight issues that we have been seeing a lot of and on a consistent basis, here is my suggestion.

Make the fighters really think about it before signing that contract and make it such that "buying" a weight advantage will hit them hard in the pocketbook.

How hard? I say 75% of the purse if they reach an agreement to move forward. The commissions need to be aligned on this of course but there is no fighter out there that wouldn't think twice about having 75% of their purse taken.

And where would that 75% go? I say 50% percent goes to the fighter hurt and 25% gets rebated back to the fans who bought tickets to the event but not getting all that they were paying for.

With such a high penalty, I think we would see fighters missing the contracted weight happen less often. This could lead to more cancellations (if a fighter is not looking good to make weight more mysterious injuries may appear) but would eliminate the issues with weight we are having now by not allowing fighters to buy weight advantages in the hope of furthering their careers with a big win with that advantage.

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flackoguapo:

I think Bhop has been daunting in KK's(sensitive?) mind toooooooo long. the fight being signed and announced early was tactical on the side of Hopkins. Instead of letting this guy come off a win and take a break coming back to camp with a winning spirit after relaxing some time... NOPE, dude didnt even let KK savor his victory over the Caperello(?) one bit and KK strangely went down in that fight.Hopkins has been on KK's mind for while and this is his first BIG show. Hate to sound like I'm attacking Kovalev, but I'm just trying to point out why the negotiations was done with some fight-day tactic, BOTH deserve credit for taking this fight!

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flackoguapo:

I felt that way when I first started reading these forums but its all in good fun here Vasja. Pick an aspect you know/enjoy most about the sport and post away. And if you're wrong, so what?

Thanks for the kind words Shadow. I see Bhop having a shaky start but a smooth coast to an UD after that.

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New York Tony:

Um...what case?

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amayseng:

"Never believe these I-am-not-going-to-fight-anymore-lying-arse pugs.



The pugvine is buzzing with a scenario of why the Sugarman is scrapping again.



There are mad rumors of he and changed-his-mind-from-retiring Sam "King" Soliman hooking up for a zombiefest. And the winner -- if all his body parts don't shake off -- will get damaged-brained IBF champion Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor in a Frankenstein affair.



The "theatre of unexpected" is darn expected with bullspit scraps if this rumor becomes a living tumor. Hehehe! Holla!"






If this madness happens I would take Shane over JT even at 160.



At least Shane has intentions of landing shots.

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brownsugar:

"Point blank, Gabriel Rosado is on a losing streak, or, at least, according to BoxRec.

He hasn't won in his last four outings, having lost to Gennady Golovkin, J'Leon Love, Peter Quillin and Jermell Charlo.t, in his last fight, Rosado had his hand raised, via KO, as he bettered rawhide-tough Brian Vera in a Big Knuckle Boxing (BKB) scrap this past August.

Overall, though, it has to be considered that just maybe the 28-year-old North Philly guy has seen better days, that his skills might have been dimmed by time, punishment, age, and the effects on the pysche that come from not winning. I posed the question, could it be possible that he is, indeed, on a slide, in an interview which is running on Boxing Channel.

Check it out, and then weigh in, in our Forum, on the Gabriel Rosado-David Lemieux main event which will unfold Dec. 6, at Barclays Center in the center of the universe (cough cough, I'm being knowingly self-referential and dee-baggy lol), Brooklyn, and on HBO.

http://www.boxingchannel.tv/gabriel-rosado-looking-to-get-back-in-track-with-a-win-against-david-lemieux"




GGG obviously busted Gabe up but he took it far better than Proska Macklin and Rubio to name a few....



Charlo put on a masterful albeit pain free clinic as his glided effortlessly around the ring using every square inch available while exploiting each opportunity to counter, lead and score from every conceivable position during an unspectacular yet dominant a one sided tiff.



He was robbed against the diuretic using Love and had a compelling run against the hard hitting yet less fluid Quillin until his face broke down like tissue paper.



But he did relieve the tough Texan ...Brian Vera of his consciousness... You don't see that every day



He could very well do the same to the newly manufactured Lemieux if his skin holds up.



But Lemieux can come in gung-ho and blow Gabe right out of the water if he's not fully alert and properly prepared.



This is a good matchup.



Its good to see Gabe is still getting work even if he's labeled the B side.

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The Shadow:

"Thank you Shadow. Boxing is complex and I don't have enough knowledge to produce an original input into debate.

I did notice though that I post more on BLH. I think the reason is that TSS community of posters is smaller and therefore your arguments more noticed, remembered and appended to your avatar. Thus, in a way, I automatically restrain myself form posting sometimes. I now this is not the right way to go about it, but I guess it’s still there in the back of my attic."


I know how you feel. I was a lurker for a while, too, and I was kinda apprehensive about joining the fray due to the nature of the discussions, it almost seemed like coming in class late and then trying to jump into an existing discussion. If that makes sense?

Sometimes, as I'm sure, the discussions that take place far outweigh the quality of the copy that ignited it.

I personally started getting hooked reading Radam G's stuff and how he could tell all these great stories with humor, the nature of the debates and the different characters.

That said -- and I can only speak for myself of course -- I think the overall feeling is new faces are welcomed, new points of view respected. I'm sure you have enough boxing knowledge to bless this forum with.

If anything, just having another voice is a breath of fresh air.

There's one guy in here, who I personally hold in extremely high regard, who doesn't post much and that's Flackoguapo. He expressed something similar. I wish he would post more.

Then you have guys who post a little too much like El Dude. Even then, he added something to the Forum. I'm sure you can outdo the Dude!? Haha.

Sure, boxing is complex but it ain't rocket science, either! Post away!!

Switching gears a little, who do you have in the Hopkins-Kovalev matchup???

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Froggy:

Great article ! I live about an hours drive from where Tommy Burns came from, Burns was the first white champion to give a black boxer a shot at the title and after him no one gave a black boxer a shot at the title until James J. Braddock was beat by Joe Louis, and that includes Johnson ! I don't know why Johnson never defended his title against another black boxer, it would be interesting to hear some theories ! I should clarify I was talking about the heavyweight title, another Canadian, George Dixon, was the first black Champion before Johnson !

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vasja:

"Thanks for posting, Vasja. May I ask you why you read and also why you don't post much?"
Thank you Shadow. Boxing is complex and I don't have enough knowledge to produce an original input into debate.

I did notice though that I post more on BLH. I think the reason is that TSS community of posters is smaller and therefore your arguments more noticed, remembered and appended to your avatar. Thus, in a way, I automatically restrain myself form posting sometimes. I now this is not the right way to go about it, but I guess it’s still there in the back of my attic.

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The Commish:

Does Hyppolite speak English? I'd love to spotlight him on my SiriusXM show?

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Damn! Gabe Rosado has a face that's lumped up even when it's NOT lumped up!

I'm planning on being ringside for this show. Any of you other boxing junkies going?

I'm taking my wife. There's a nice little Italian Restaurant across the street from Barclay's called Broccolino.

I'm thinking Lemieux's power shots will be too much for the rough, tough, ultra-game Rosado to handle.

Ah, what's a few more lumps?

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"I don't comment much but I read this forum on a daily basis. StormCenter, your posts are my favorite because you really explain the technical aspects of a fight(er). I am not able to notice those aspects and it really helps if someone spots them, explains their working and their flaws. Thanks and congrats!"



Thanks for posting, Vasja. May I ask you why you read and also why you don't post much?

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The Shadow:

Wonderful contributions all around, one of my favorites! Reeks of wisdom and boxing knowledge. Can probably still kick a lot of a$$. The thunder of Storm from down under rocks on.

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The Shadow:

"Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager.



OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe!



Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words.



The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets.



Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago.



Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him?



Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs.



Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way.



NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!"




"OK, I think you mean, how do you provide the link to a specific post without having to necessarily get to the thread and its page first.



OK . . here goes.



See the little white hashtag number on the top right of every post, that indicates what numbered post it is for any given thread?



This one is #29



Aside from the content, and regardless of the website, most forum software applications are basically the same. The one Dino has chosen is a good one as they're quite reliable, but more importantly user friendly.



In order to provide administrative and other house keeping functions thread, thread/post numbers, and user/post numbers must be captured.



If you click on the above-mentioned little white hashtag number on the top right of every post . . . you will (stay on the same page, but also) notice that the URL (previously containing the websites' address and both the forum thread name and thread's page number) now changes.



Now it is now suffixed with a unique user/forum post ID tag - instead of being suffixed with the aforementioned thread's page number that was tagged to the end of the websites' address and forum thread name.



Suck that URL up into your buffer, and then use it where you like."




Thank you! That's exactly what I meant! This way when I post the winners, I can link to the actual post that did the job. Much easier than copy/pasting and more transparent -- for the sake of fairness -- than just naming a winner "because he was good."



Thanks again!



Dino, I enjoy the scientific breakdowns but his (somewhat uncharacteristic) short posts are quite dynamic and very enjoyable also.

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vasja:

I don't comment much but I read this forum on a daily basis. StormCenter, your posts are my favorite because you really explain the technical aspects of a fight(er). I am not able to notice those aspects and it really helps if someone spots them, explains their working and their flaws. Thanks and congrats!

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