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deepwater2:

Is Espinoza, using the alias John Smith,calling all the writers and telling them this number? Let's see the real numbers when they come out.

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Radam G:

Holla at Boxrec about some of SRR's birth places. The truth is surround by a bodyguard of lies about SRR. And people all quit playing all of these fairy tales about him. The truth always knocks down and eventually out the BIG LIE! SRR was all that and a piece of apple pie. But he was not a cup of blueberry tea. Holla!

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deepwater2:

That's a good fight on a big stage. MH might force Garcia into a rematch if he keeps winning.

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Radam G:

"No. SRR was never robbed. The fights he did lose were legitimate losses, but he won so many, who cares? When Joey Archer floored him, everyone knew it was over. Turpin beat him fair and square and so did Joey Maxim with a little help from the heat."



It is hardcore documentation that Sugar Ray Robinson was "ROBBED" under his birth name in his birth state of Alabama. I know that records show that he was born in Georgia. But there are also records showing that he was born in Cali.



Optical illusions and lies are everywhere. I can probably get a birth certificate of Sugar Ray Robinson right here in the P-Islands. Hehe.



But forensic evidence always shut dat syet down. Forensic doesn't play the clown or can drown. Holla!

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Radam G:

"TBE" is hands down the late, great boxng Wiz Willie Pep. He ducked less whup-arse pugs than both Money May and Sugar Ray and he won more fights. Old Sugarman's nut riders are always yakking how SRR was 122-1. But they never talk about how Willie Pep won over 170 bouts after he broke his back in a plane crash.

Now that is gangster. Break your back, and six months later you come back and is still whupping arse.

Money May was stank-bytch crying because he broke his finger nail and thought that Chino bit him. STFU crybaby! How are you going to be "TBE" and cry like that? Holla!

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Kid Blast:

No. SRR was never robbed. The fights he did lose were legitimate losses, but he won so many, who cares? When Joey Archer floored him, everyone knew it was over. Turpin beat him fair and square and so did Joey Maxim with a little help from the heat.

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brownsugar:

I must say I'm shocked but not truly surprised.
What better advertisement is there than when the furious media talking heads attempt to sabatoge a show by publically attacking the leading man?,

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brownsugar:

Having seen Mr Robinson with my own prepubescent eyeballs I have to concur... Robinson was uniquely talented and one of the best ever. He also entered the sport at an entry level weight where Floyd naturally maxxed out at.......as Ray was the naturally bigger man.

Both Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard would have been uniquely equipped to potentially solve the Mayvinchi code. Although at 130 and 135 even Duran or Pryor were not sure shot winners against the Money Man..... but in a series of fights, Floyd would have most certainly lost a few.

The greatness of Robinson is an old song that will continue to be vigorously sung until human beings begin building fighters through genetically modified DNA coding. Which is possible now... But won't be legally or ethically probable until at least a decade or two from now.

I wouldnt be surprised if the powers try to clone a few great fighters just to see what would happen....lol

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Radam G:

"Any guy that stood flat footed and wanted to try and box FMJ would get picked apart. One you can't really land a decent punch him. Plus he might be one of the top 5 counter punchers ever. Robinson and Floyd would be a great fight. Just seeing who can out smart one another. As of current fighters there might be only one other fighter that is smarter than Floyd and the is Bernard Hopkins. He is a throw back fighter for sure. You also have to give Floyd credit he has one of the best chins in boxing. Maybe because he doesn't get hit to often. He stood right in front of some guy that are true KO artist and took their best shots. Canelo, Corrales, Marquez, Castilo, Gatti. Not saying Floyd is the best ever but I seriously don't think to many guys are going to beat him or walk through him. I think he beat Hearns easy because he wasn't a smart fighter. Duran would be a great fight. Leonard excellent fight Robinson epic."

Money May beats Sugar Ray Robinson IMHO. Nobody snow jobs me with superbad propaganda nonsense. SRR had pure hell with short, black, "shoulder-rolling," fighters. This is why he didn't fight Jack Chase, Charlie Burley, Archie Moore, Kid Cocoa, and the "Black Murder Row" list goes on and on.



SRR did retire for a while -- as Money May did -- and came back and fought a smaller, lighter pug, as Money May did and won with Juan Manuel Marquez, but the Sugarman LOST. He lost to shoulder-rolling Ralph "Tiger" Jones.



Money May would have whupped SRR the same way that Money May beat up Diego Corrales.



The dirty-fighting part would have been the most interesting of Money May and the Sugarman.



Money May would've being using that inadvertent elbow to noggin and the forearm to the throat. And the Sugarman would been using those rabbit punches to the kidney and behind the head.



Just maybe we would have seen a double D'Q.



Inattentional blindness and teste riding tend to ex-egg-er-rate the greatness of both Sugar Ray Robinson and Money May.



Wille Pep was better than both combined in my humble opinion. He was a pure boxing machine and lesser of a fouling one. But even he would thumb you in the eyeballs, bump knee you and even ankle trip you. Just tricks of the trade. But he is still my pick for the greatest pound for pound of all times.



And the fairy-tales of both Money May and Sugar Ray ought to stop. I will even say that the first pug to win multi-world title belts Bob FitzSimmons were better than they. And neither one of them could carry a bucket of spit of "Finito" Lopez. Holla!

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Froggy:

"I'm BAAAAACCCCCCK!



Okay! This fancy promoting and jiving and conniving ought to HALT! Sugar Ray Robinson was not undefeated as an amateur anymore than Chris Algieri was undefeated in kickboxing.



Under his real name of "Walker Smith Jr," the Sugarman lost documented bouts to Billy Graham and Patsy Pesca.



After years of fighting the feeling of posting the actuality of the reality, Boxrec halted the optical illusions and has posted da real real. About time.



Boxrec is getting almost as good as the paid site of Fightfax, which always confirm and verify the whole nine. For near 100-percent actuality of the reality, Fightfax rides.



By the way, SRR also lost bouts -- he was likely ROBBED -- down south in the pros under his given name, which two versions -- "Walker Smith, Jr" and "Walker George Smith, Jr" -- exist.



In doing some deep-cover research, one will see that African American pugs -- as SRR -- modified their birth names from what they were in the southern USA. And many times, as fighters moved to fight in different locales of the mainland USA, they would fight under different names.



Petty criminal William Harrison -- better boksing known as Jack Dempsey -- comes to mind. Holla!"




Great post as usual RG, but it doesn't sat who is TBE ! Surely not Mayweather, you must have an opinion of who was TBE !

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Radam G:

I'm BAAAAACCCCCCK!



Okay! This fancy promoting and jiving and conniving ought to HALT! Sugar Ray Robinson was not undefeated as an amateur anymore than Chris Algieri was undefeated in kickboxing.



Under his real name of "Walker Smith Jr," the Sugarman lost documented bouts to Billy Graham and Patsy Pesca.



After years of fighting the feeling of posting the actuality of the reality, Boxrec halted the optical illusions and has posted da real real. About time.



Boxrec is getting almost as good as the paid site of Fightfax, which always confirm and verify the whole nine. For near 100-percent actuality of the reality, Fightfax rides.



By the way, SRR also lost bouts -- he was likely ROBBED -- down south in the pros under his given name, which two versions -- "Walker Smith, Jr" and "Walker George Smith, Jr" -- exist.



In doing some deep-cover research, one will see that African American pugs -- as SRR -- modified their birth names from what they were in the southern USA. And many times, as fighters moved to fight in different locales of the mainland USA, they would fight under different names.



Petty criminal William Harrison -- better boksing known as Jack Dempsey -- comes to mind. Holla!

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vaderbomb:

Any guy that stood flat footed and wanted to try and box FMJ would get picked apart. One you can't really land a decent punch him. Plus he might be one of the top 5 counter punchers ever. Robinson and Floyd would be a great fight. Just seeing who can out smart one another. As of current fighters there might be only one other fighter that is smarter than Floyd and the is Bernard Hopkins. He is a throw back fighter for sure. You also have to give Floyd credit he has one of the best chins in boxing. Maybe because he doesn't get hit to often. He stood right in front of some guy that are true KO artist and took their best shots. Canelo, Corrales, Marquez, Castilo, Gatti. Not saying Floyd is the best ever but I seriously don't think to many guys are going to beat him or walk through him. I think he beat Hearns easy because he wasn't a smart fighter. Duran would be a great fight. Leonard excellent fight Robinson epic.

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Radam G:

"Wow I think I can say for everyone that we greatly appreciate your endeavours Commissioner, thank you for compiling and aggregating the results. I love the ability to be able to check our own P4P ratings and how they change over time, excellent job. I notice a few ties so I guess we need some more listed opinions on the P4P rankings!

Am I surprised that Floyd Mayweather still sits atop the hill, after his last performance? Yes.

Am I surprised that Andre Ward has dropped from #2 to #4, due to his inactivity in the ring? No.

Am I surprised that the fantastic trio of Pacquiao, Rigondeaux and Golovkin have leapfrogged the hermit and eternal-legal-disputing-not-fist-fighting Ward and taken positions #2,#3, and #4 respectively? No.

Bernard Hopkins and Wlad have done a switch-a-roo, not too surprising although I feel there may be somewhat of a glass ceiling at present for the 49 going on 50 year old BHop, which I hope will be smashed (with some boxing records) when the Hopkins meets Kovalev.

I'm surprised that Manuel Marquez still holds a position in the top 10, albeit joint with Tim Bradley at #9 (who comprehensively beat him not too long ago). There are in my opinion several fighters omitted who can beat both Bradley and Marquez in their weight classes and in a hypothetical P4P match up..

Lastly, Vasyl Lomachenko only clocking in #12. He needs to be fighting at least 4 fights a year and start climbing to where he deserves to be on these rankings."


I'm riding shotgun with Skibbz. BANG! BANG BANG! Hehe! Holla!

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Skibbz:

+400 underdog may be but he has a shot and will come in determined to take it. Abraham will do his best to keep a hold of his title but I've got a feeling it will be Paul's night. I urge all fans of the sweet science to have a look at the remarkable and prodigy full family of the Smiths, who between them have several World Champions and National Champions with an eye on World titles!

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Radam G:

Why that above pix? What is this? Da Manny And The Beanstalk!



I heard of the "Jolly Green Giant." Hehehe! OMG! C-Al is kinda lookin' like the "Jolly Anglo-Latin Giant." Hahaha!



Da Manny/3m is going to be a giant-killa-eater-whup-@$$ thrilla in Macau, not Manila, come the month -- November -- of slicing and dicing and splicing and stuffing a turkey and eating it da double fudge up.



WTF! Anyway! All the fairy-tale stories are off. I believe that it is C-Al who stole Blunderbore's "Golden Goose," chicken, rooster, quail or -- biting off my Tio Mamoy's English accent -- "whadever da puck it was."



How else could a fighter transcend from making 5-to-15 thousand dollars a bout to $100,000 and now a guarantee of $1.5mil that can hit upward of $3mil+ when all is said and done.



That is all right, Blunderbore. Jack kicked your arse. But Da Manny/3m is going get C-Al for you. But when C-Al comes back to the mainland USA, Uncle Sam's greedy arse is going to take that Golden Goose for tax purposes. Hehehe! But, at least, C-Al will have a few bucks and he will be the Empire State richest active-fighting muck-a-muck. Poor soul. In Macau, he will have no inside-dat-squared-jungle luck. Holla!

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Skibbz:

Wow I think I can say for everyone that we greatly appreciate your endeavours Commissioner, thank you for compiling and aggregating the results. I love the ability to be able to check our own P4P ratings and how they change over time, excellent job. I notice a few ties so I guess we need some more listed opinions on the P4P rankings!

Am I surprised that Floyd Mayweather still sits atop the hill, after his last performance? Yes.

Am I surprised that Andre Ward has dropped from #2 to #4, due to his inactivity in the ring? No.

Am I surprised that the fantastic trio of Pacquiao, Rigondeaux and Golovkin have leapfrogged the hermit and eternal-legal-disputing-not-fist-fighting Ward and taken positions #2,#3, and #4 respectively? No.

Bernard Hopkins and Wlad have done a switch-a-roo, not too surprising although I feel there may be somewhat of a glass ceiling at present for the 49 going on 50 year old BHop, which I hope will be smashed (with some boxing records) when the Hopkins meets Kovalev.

I'm surprised that Manuel Marquez still holds a position in the top 10, albeit joint with Tim Bradley at #9 (who comprehensively beat him not too long ago). There are in my opinion several fighters omitted who can beat both Bradley and Marquez in their weight classes and in a hypothetical P4P match up..

Lastly, Vasyl Lomachenko only clocking in #12. He needs to be fighting at least 4 fights a year and start climbing to where he deserves to be on these rankings.

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Skibbz:

I like it a lot Riverside, Soto will try to exert something on Herrera but El Maestro will be giving another fighter a lesson in the ring! Hopefully this gets him somewhat closer to a 140 title that he so deserves.

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amayseng:

solid overall card

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Radam G:

Here go again! They always love to pull Sugar Ray Robinson outta the hat. And he was more full of jive than Money May could ever be.

He ducked the "Black Murder Row." He fought struggling undertakers and drug-using caretakers. He beat da hebejeebeez outta his wives and hos. He use dwarfs and midget for bowling balls.

"The notable name" SSR ducked, not "missed," would've been favorable over him too. Charlie Burley was a mixed of speed and power and too much whup arse for SRR. SRR knew it.

Somebody need to start telling the truth. Money May is a mini ducker. SSR was a mass ducker.

Money May missed fighting a lot of pugs because of all these alphabet-sanctioning organizations. They didn't want the fights.

SSR just plain ducked Black Murder Row pugs because of their toughness -- that he knew from sparring sessions -- and smallness of the purse that he was offered to dance with them. During his days, there were just two powerful alphabet-sanctioning organizations -- the NBA and the IBO. The New York Boxing Commission was a fringe one which gave SRR its crown.

I got another plane to catch, so I'm finish with this. Holla!

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The Commish:

So true.

Has Floyd Mayweather even fought in blazing, searing heat before, the way Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns did in their first match? In that fight, they waged one of history's great battles in a ring where the temperature exceeded 120 degrees. When Mayweather fights, it's always inside a casino arena, where the temperature stays at a controlled 65 degrees.

Yes, Floyd Mayweather is great, but I shake my head with his self-promoting TBE. Yes, he's great, but he's great for this era. Welterweight Emile Griffith would have had fun with Mayweather. So would the June 20, 1980 version of Roberto Duran, as well as the man he beat that day, Sugar Ray Leonard.

Floyd Mayweather is damned good. He's good enoughto sit atop TSS'newest PxP Ratings. But all-time?

He is not, by any means, TBE!

-Randy GG.

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The Commish:

I loved those boxing trunks. They took us from the era of plain black & white trunks to a flashier era. If I'm correct, I think Hector "Macho" Camacho began a whole new era with his totally outlandish, colorful, wild designs.

Yes, the drawing depicted SRL in the black trunks he wore in the "No Mas" fight. The trunks he actually wore in the first fight against Hearns were white with a red waistband. Hearns also wore white trunks that night.

-Randy G.

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oubobcat:

I love the fight. Both guys have been in fight of the year type fights in the past and this one will be good. I like Herrera here but think we will see some very good action. Its one of those old school boxing after dark fights HBO use to have all the time and maybe just maybe they are slowly going back to those days. Hope this gets finalized.

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Radam G:

"Snoop Dogg says you gotta close the gap.



The question is who closes it? If you outgrow a motherfucka, he stays stagnant but you progress. Now it's up to him to close the gap. If you choose to close the gap and step backwards you lose.



Richard Schaefer and Al Haymon are winners. Floyd is closing that gap. (And he talks to Rich like he does Al, with respect and admiration.)



Warren Buffet is the ultimate winner. Floyd wants to close that gap.



Mark Cuban is a winner. Floyd wants to close that gap.



Once you start picking the brains of men like Buffet, a roody poo MBA from Las Vegas Chinatown KFC Busines School ain't that impressive no more, though it was initially.



I know, yes, I do.



He ain't impressed no more.



I've pointed this sh*t out all before. I think the absence of Schaefer has spoken volumes about the quality of cards.



Love Schaefer or hate him, when he put stuff together, you had value. That's just what it is.



Kevin iole wrote that this was Ellerbe's one and only shot.



Here's what happened: the undercard wasn't finalized until like five weeks prior to the show.



Think that would've happened with Schaefer? Nah. Of course not.



Schaefer -- trust me on this one -- had he not gotten into this mess, would've had Rigondeaux and Santa Cruz squaring off on that a$$.



Though they call them allies, Schaefer can actually get Haymon to match his guys and deliver super fights."




Money May and Warren Buffet are rolling, rolling rolling! And the haters are trolling, trolling, trolling. But don't hate da BIG-MONEY playas. Hate da money play and say what you say. It won't halt their play or pay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCfeMZjc51w. Holla!

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The Shadow:

And I had no idea they would split bc Floyd is a loyal guy but I understand. Haymon is going to get Swizzy free, he'll give him a few fighters and they'll be straight, unlike LE and KB. Or something.

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The Shadow:

"I think Floyd is internalizing the pain and grief of being ground down to a pulp by the media..

..in addition to needing a scapegoat for the money teams first independent promotional venture.( a fiasco)

Floyd has fought and struggled to "do it his way and cut out the middle man" since the beginning.... This should have been his coming out party.



But they did it with a shot fighter (Angulo) and a co-main event that involved the booking of the most anti-entertaining-entity known to boxing .....Miguel Vasquez. (We won't even speak aloud about who allowed the mismatch between Santa Cruz and his former sparring partner).



They must have thought they were getting a bargain.



And the most egregious insult was booking Mayweather into a hostile interview on CNN. Where Floyd was accused, abused, and refused by the news casting giant and his video feed was cut while the newscaster lobbied the audience to boycott his PPV event right before the Maidana fight.



What a welcome!



So much for free advertising.



Also his 80 year old cut man (The legendary cut man and hand wrapping expert Garcia) was miffed because Floyd used "Do it All" Bob to wrap his hands). And has apparently flown the coup (possibly).



If you notice Ellerbe wasn't in the corner.



Change the team ....change the perception. Erase the past by disposing the baggage.



Lionel Richie left the Comadores... Diana Ross left the supremes, Beyonce left Destinies Child.

Apparently Floyd wants to make some cuts of his own and as we all know..... " $hit rolls downhill"."




Snoop Dogg says you gotta close the gap.



The question is who closes it? If you outgrow a motherfucka, he stays stagnant but you progress. Now it's up to him to close the gap. If you choose to close the gap and step backwards you lose.



Richard Schaefer and Al Haymon are winners. Floyd is closing that gap. (And he talks to Rich like he does Al, with respect and admiration.)



Warren Buffet is the ultimate winner. Floyd wants to close that gap.



Mark Cuban is a winner. Floyd wants to close that gap.



Once you start picking the brains of men like Buffet, a roody poo MBA from Las Vegas Chinatown KFC Busines School ain't that impressive no more, though it was initially.



I know, yes, I do.



He ain't impressed no more.



I've pointed this sh*t out all before. I think the absence of Schaefer has spoken volumes about the quality of cards.



Love Schaefer or hate him, when he put stuff together, you had value. That's just what it is.



Kevin iole wrote that this was Ellerbe's one and only shot.



Here's what happened: the undercard wasn't finalized until like five weeks prior to the show.



Think that would've happened with Schaefer? Nah. Of course not.



Schaefer -- trust me on this one -- had he not gotten into this mess, would've had Rigondeaux and Santa Cruz squaring off on that a$$.



Though they call them allies, Schaefer can actually get Haymon to match his guys and deliver super fights.

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Radam G:

Paul "Da Smigga" Smith is CRAZY! Hehehe! How is he gonna holla like dat? He ain't $pittin' $mack battlin.' He's puggin.' Holla!

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Radam G:

"RG is a true original. I don't always know what the hell he is talking about but it can be like looking at a painting. We may all look at the same thing but see it different ways."

Hehehehe! Cut it OUT! You are so gawdd@mn funny. That ain't right.

Laughing is suppose to be good for the soul -- BULLSPIT!

It's killing my arse. Haha! My dang sides are aching like a mutha and tourists in this P-Island restaurant are wondering what in da double fudge puck that I find so funny. Holla!

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the Roast:

Early 80's RG. That's how it was with the shorts. That SRL pic above was how he looked for the second Duran fight.

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The Shadow:

"I ain't getting into this one. But for a while I told people that Dick Schaefer was playing Big Money Oscar and was getting too "BIG for his britches" and would be "syetcanned."

Outta TMT, I have been hearing that "a lot "n*gig*shyt" is happening "with gay-@$$ Ellerbee."

You can pull up some old "Hustle Boss('$)" interviews and hear Pops Joy Mays saying: "My son is gonna get rid of Ellerbee.... Ellerbee is gay. And my son is gonna call it a day." Holla!"


I like how you keep it real. LOL. He has said that, yes.

And yes, you see that NS all the time. Most here with the exception of the Commish, Doc, BS and maybe Amayseng and Deep won't know what you mean but it is what it is.

Ben is a good dude.

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Radam G:

Dang, the Sugarman and Hitman wore some gay-arse trunks back then. Hehehe!



The superbad pugs look like they are doing a commercial for a Daisy Duke Hot panties outfit -- no hate. Hehe! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJa7-bCUKw Holla!

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