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mortcola:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


Hindsight, but I honestly thought Cotto’s fundamentals would expose Martinez. Just not as dramatically. Even Martinez doesn’t blame the knee, by the way. I love Cotto. I just don’t think he is durable to last the distance, although he’ll make it a good fight.

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mortcola:

"Another demolition job of someone who had never been stopped. What will Golovkin's naysayers say now?"



They're not ready to say "Hagler". Soon, maybe.

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Radam G:

"You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.
You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.
Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter."


It doesn't mean JACK about a division title. It is about the money. M-Co is a big welterweight fighting middleweight. Welterweights have a long history of fighting weak middleweights for the right money fight and winning. Sugar Ray Leonard was an exception in fighting and narrowly beating super-strong middleweight-king Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

Mexican-Cuban Jose Napoles almost committed suicide challenging the late, great middleweight Carlos Monzon for not enough dinero.

Three g cannot draw big. And he is a good-size middleweight with stealth and pop. Fudge him! Let him dance with the other alphabet belt titleholders. M-Co is going to fight and whup the red-headed hype for $25mil plus. Holla!

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the Roast:

Interesting watch. Tex Cobb comes to mind for best punch eater. That fight with Holmes is legendary for the amount of flush punches Tex got hit with. Howard Cosell turned his back on boxing after that one. George was a little before my time.

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the Roast:

"That's your libido messing with you - always thinking about girls in skirts chasing a ball on a court can do that to a man."

You could be right Grimm. I do spend a lot of time chasing that yellow ball on the court. I have a very narrow focus when it comes to that. When the point is over, good or bad, you put it out of your mind and move on to the next one.
I could have just hit the greatest shot of all time or missed an easy overhead, its all the same. There's another ball coming right up.
Same thing with the skirts. No matter if you hit or miss there will be another one coming around the corner.

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the Roast:

"Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.



M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!"




You did call Cotto over Sergio. You were one of the very few. Most observers thought Cotto was in for a beat down, myself included.

You don't think there is a big check for Cotto fighting GGG? Why not, GGG not a big enough name outside of the hardcore? I'm saying after Cotto beats Canelo and cashes that big check, Miguel signs for one more big payday vs GGG. Its almost time for Cotto to ride off into the sunset. I say all chips into the middle against GGG.

Also, what do you mean Cotto isn't a middleweight? He is the WBC Middleweight Champion. You are the guy who always says size doesn't matter.

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The Good Doctor:

Maybe you guys mentioned this in another post during my absence but Shawn Porter is notoriously absent from anything above. I do not think he is P4P top 10 yet but if you have Thurman, Crawford, & Lomachenko on the honorable mention, I think Porter should get a nod there as well.

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brownsugar:

GGG will be at the top of the list by May 2015 unanimously.

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brownsugar:

Team Golovkin is currently pursuing a unification fight with Sam Soliman. Soliman had declined an earlier offer to fight the ultra-achieving Golovkin...but the 40 year old title holder is supposedly ready to unify titles with Golovkin before the end of 2014.

Even if Soliman backs out HBO is determined to keep their flagship fighter as busy as possible with a TBA (if necessary)event as early as October or November.

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brownsugar:

"Do you really think he's that good? I like his body work and poise. Other than that, I really don't know...

Hey, speaking of which, Andre Dirrell, the guy who I think beats him -- or at least builds a huge points lead before getting stopped -- finally got his release from SMS Promotions.

He's supposed to be linking back up with Al Haymon, though this is just speculation at this point. If Haymon takes him back, then wow. Good dude. Say whatever you want but he cares about the fighters when no one else does."


Yes Shadow he's that good. ...better in fact......He defeated Dirrell in the third round of the 2004 summer olympics enroute to winning the silver medal. 3 guys he defeated in the amateur have become champions...and two others have become top contenders.

Dirrell just got away from SMS.... He claims the collaboration with 50 Cents was sheer hell.
But he's been so inactive so long I doubt that he'd be very competitive against any boxer of note when he comes back. Dirrell lost all momentum in the Super Six....he'd better avoid GGG like a the Ebola plague.

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ArneK.:

I had forgotten about Kirkland Laing. Just got done "googling" him. It's sad the way his life unraveled, but he was no imposter. He actually did beat Roberto Duran in a nationally televised fight. Who knows how far he would have gone if he had been more disciplined?

The imposters that Bill Schutte cited had, by all accounts, no boxing experience whatsoever. One fellow that patronized the bowling alley in his neighborhood claimed to be Irish Bob Murphy, a light heavyweight who developed a strong following in California during the middle years of the 20th century.

People addressed this phony as "champ," a common method of greeting an ex-boxer: "What's up, champ?" He did nothing to deserve this token of respect and Schutte was happy to "out" him.

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The Good Doctor:

"Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.



M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!"




Can't put it any better. And yes Radam you did tout that Cotto would crush Martinez.



Cotto is going to fight Canelo for mega bucks and probably win. After that, I think he would see if he can talk Chavez Jr down a few lb's for some more big dough. I think he could win that and probably ride off into the sunset. Cotto has been one to hint at how he does not plan to fight forever so I do think his days are numbered.



I am an ardent Cotto fan as anyone who knows me has seen but I cannot see him beating or even fighting GGG. No loot, a extremely tough fight, not in his real weight class, and a loss knocks him off the A-list. It aint happenin'.

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Skibbz:

""Ring Magazine Upset of the Year" 1982 -- Kirkland Laing-Roberto Duran. K-La became a humble drunk. I think you or someone post his nowadays demise on another Thread a bit ago.



None of the elite and true souls, who fall on how times, are violent or phony. (Bruce Curry was an exception to the rule. He was found mentally I'll and institutionalize until he got better.)



I find the violence and meanness coming from the posers and busters who have never fought or were never worth 2˘. But one day, their brain chemicals become wack, and these perpetrators of Boksing frauds are locked, loaded and ready to attack. The only thing that calm 'em down is a severe -- and sometimes crippling -- arse thrashing. Holla!"




Hole in one RG. I wonder what he's doing these days, I would hope that he's teaching the next generation what he's learned about boxing, his insights from the ring and in life in general.



Too many phoneys around, people are quick to claim they're this and that but it would take one flurry in the ring to provide the proof in the pudding against the fakes.

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Radam G:

"There used to be a scruffy, unshaven drunk who would tramp along the high streets of East London, spending what money he had in the bookies and off licenses, drinking discount lager from early morning in parks where he'd often pass out late afternoon.

He would often tell people who would listen that he was formerly a world famous boxer, who could have went on and been one of the greatest had he not grown a fondness for cannabis, drink and women. He would be able to recite countless memories of fights, in vivid detail as if he was almost reliving the moment. He could rattle off the career details of so many fighters in the 70's, 80's and 90's you would think he was a boxing historian turned scruff.

He even claimed to have beaten Roberto Duran in his prime and earned his respect through fighting him long and hard, out boxing him with his whip like jab and rapier right hand, bouncing on his toes all night and exchanging when the time was right.

Haven't heard of him for a while but I'm sure he's still around.. Although he is no imposter, all his tales were true."


"Ring Magazine Upset of the Year" 1982 -- Kirkland Laing-Roberto Duran. K-La became a humble drunk. I think you or someone post his nowadays demise on another Thread a bit ago.

None of the elite and true souls, who fall on how times, are violent or phony. (Bruce Curry was an exception to the rule. He was found mentally ill and institutionalize until he got better.) Used-to-be great and good boxers tend to hide out from the gyms and circles of the game when they fall on super hard times. They have a prime factor or sumptin' . More of the times, you have to chase them down to get and/or give 'em a helping hand.

The late Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez comes to my mind. How times flies. Years ago, I alerted some people that cared, a reporter and the boxing community that the famous Ernie Lopez was in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth, Texas, USA. He got flown back to Cali to be introduced into the Cali HOF and to live with his daughter until the day he died from bad health.

I find the violence and meanness coming, not from ex-pugs but, from the posers and busters who have never fought or were never worth 2˘. But one day, their brain chemicals become wack, and these perpetrators of boksing frauds are locked, loaded and ready to attack. The only thing that calm 'em down is a severe -- and sometimes crippling -- arse thrashing counter attack. Holla!

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brownsugar:

I knew a guy who appeared on ESPN twice more than twenty five years ago who pretended to be a boxer. Technically the guy visited the gym and fooled around on the bag a little and might have done some sit ups. The trainers knew his name ... But he rarely showed up for practice and might have sparred once in six months.

I can't think of the guys name but he migrated to different gyms in the city and could always be found talking up his fake history.

I don't know the procedure for submitting an application to fight on ESPN but I saw the guy being introduced as a contestant on one of the Wednesday weekly cards as a late notice replacement.

The guys trunks looked like real baggy cut-off shorts...but they definitely were not boxing trunks and I'm not sure how this was allowed.

As soon as the punches started flying the imposter put on the earmuffs and ducked below his opponents knees and stayed there.

After his knees touched the canvas several times in two rounds out of fear of getting hit the ref waved it off.

It was an off night that featured at least three substitutions and was the shabbiest card I've ever witnessed on ESPN.

The fellow I'm speaking of was a known drunk and a drug abuser .... I never saw him again in the gym after that day ..

ESPN must have had a policy change after that fiasco because I never saw that level of unprofessionalism from the sports magnate again.

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Skibbz:

There used to be a scruffy, unshaven drunk who would tramp along the high streets of East London, spending what money he had in the bookies and off licenses, drinking discount lager from early morning in parks where he'd often pass out late afternoon.

He would often tell people who would listen that he was formerly a world famous boxer, who could have went on and been one of the greatest had he not grown a fondness for cannabis, drink and women. He would be able to recite countless memories of fights, in vivid detail as if he was almost reliving the moment. He could rattle off the career details of so many fighters in the 70's, 80's and 90's you would think he was a boxing historian turned scruff.

He even claimed to have beaten Roberto Duran in his prime and earned his respect through fighting him long and hard, out boxing him with his whip like jab and rapier right hand, bouncing on his toes all night and exchanging when the time was right.

Haven't heard of him for a while but I'm sure he's still around.. Although he is no imposter, all his tales were true.

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Skibbz:

Abraham is set to fight Paul Smith for the middleweight strap. If Paul wins I wouldn't think he'd take on Golovkin so soon, and if Abraham wins I wouldn't be so sure either although I'd like to see that fight personally. It could be a good scrap.

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Skibbz:

Nobody wants to get beat in the era of hyper media, news travels too far and wide too fast! One minute they could be the real deal and the next minute not worth their pair of socks!

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Skibbz:

If Jennings is the best American heavyweight then it speaks volumes about the current level of fighting talent amongst US heavyweights. If I'm not mistaken, Jennings is a part time pugilist and has a salaried job.

As states already, if Perez had been in fighting shape it would have been an easy nights work. First 3 rounds he controlled easily but after that he started to fall short because of his podginess.

Brownsugae, rice and peas with plantain is one of my favourite dishes. I could shovel a heavyweights meal of that deliciousness with ease.

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brownsugar:

Everything went pretty much as expected. Despite all the hype Geale had received for being a solid contender... He had already lost to Mundine and Barker and he also flatly refused the fight against GGG when initially asked more than 18 months ago. At least he tried to put up a token of resistance before he started leaping about from corner to corner like a frightened kangaroo. In contrast to his prefight bluster Geale raised the white flag five rounds earlier than Stevens did.

Makes me wonder if ANY qualified challengers will step up to take the challenge.

This is the age of Golovkin...I doubt Quillin Chavez or Cotto responds to his challenge any time soon. Soliman has slready refused and hasnt conveyed any interest in accepting the fight.

Its just a sport guys...(although an exuberant GGG said boxing wasn't a game) somebody worthy please take the challenge.

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Skibbz:

Well they typically leave school (or abscond) from around 10-11 years old for boys. They are expected to earn a living with their father and contribute to their family. The girls are more likely to stay in education although this rarely goes beyond 14 or 15 years of age. They too are expected to learn house keeping and child rearing.

They are fairly closed communities but generally open people. I knew a kickboxer who spent 6 months tiling driveways on Australia, 4 months training in Thailand and 2 months of fighting almost every week so long as he didnt have serious cuts or bruises. They are very hard working people.

It makes no difference really to the fans in my opinion what their heritage is, as long as they show courage in the ring and put on a fan friendly performance they will be cheered and respected. Saunders has talent, but he lacks discipline and fitness.

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oubobcat:

Neither Perez or Jennings looked that great. I was greatly disappointed in what I saw from both men in the ring.

Before the fight, I stated that I felt Jennings was the best US heavyweight. But he looked too mechanical and seemed to be doing more thinking than anything else in the ring. So I will now after this fight say that Deontay Wilder has jumped past Jennings as the top US heavyweight.

Perez didn't look that great either. His seemed lethargic and his punches lacked zip. Also, the scale does not lie and he was not in the best condition.

I had the fight even 6 rounds a piece. But with the point deduction, Jennings won on my card by a point. And that point deduction in the last round was a bad call. The referee should have given a stern warning if the foul was in his mind that bad and told next time a point would be taken. Unfortunately, the decision to deduct a point changed the result of the fight. A draw would have been a very appropriate and fair outcome for this fight.

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Radam G:

"In another thread, Radam mentioned that there were three guys hanging around San Diego in 2005 who claimed to be former IBF super featherweight champion Roberto Garcia. None were who they pretended to be.



That reminded me of a piece by Bill Schutte in an old IBRO newsletter that dealt with what he called "the phoney boxer phenomenon." He had personally met several imposters and culled other examples from newspaper obituaries where a person identified as having been a prominent boxer died several years or several decades after the real McCoy.



Perhaps the most famous imposter was the homeless man in Orange County who took on the identity of former heavyweight contender Bob Satterfield. He could rattle off every tidbit of Satterfield's career. The LA Times Sunday Magazine story about him was turned into a movie starring Samuel L. Jackson.



It's been my experience that ex-boxers tend to exaggerate the number of fights they had and their lifetime winning percentage. I don't hold this against them. It's sort of like exaggerating the score we got on the SAT exam. I wouldn't call this being a phoney.



But pretending to have been a prominent boxer is a different story. It's stolen valor in my mind, akin to claiming to have been a o owar hero."




I had forgotten about that flick by Samuel L. Jackson. Imma going to have to holla at it. The game is infested with posers. Many of who never fought in their lives, but claim to have been world champs. This is why oftentimes, gyms can be dangerous like a mofu.



These posers come to boxing gyms hallucinating about being great ex-boxers and wanting to spar with and/or to coach and train pugs. Tell the trifling posers: "NO!" They will get flexed and try to take your head off. So you better mean business. And bust 'em up nicely. There are tons of stories where these slumbag wannabes came back and shot up the gym and/or even killed some peeps.



Sometimes even fighters go whacky crazy. Holla at the history of ex-world champ Bruce Curry -- big bro of Donald Curry. BC was going to straight shoot trainer Jesse Reid dead as a door nail.



BC was hallucinating that Jesse was in on da (alleged) fix of BC losing his world title belt to the late Billy Costello.



The game is indeed the "theatre of the unexpected," and can be dangerous inside and outside that squared jungle. I bullsyet you not. Check it out at ur "theatre of the unexpected" near you. Holla!

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oubobcat:

"There are like four four threads of GGG worship. Can we keep/consolidate it to one? I'm confused trying to follow the comments and conversations in four different threads about the same topic.

There's no need for him to fight blown up welterweight in Cotto and Canelo. Let them play with each other. Even though Canelo is crazy enough to demand that guy.

If he's not going to the Big Dog Andre Ward right now, out Golovkin in there with Austin Trout, Dandy Landy or Boo Boo Andrade (they're 154, I know, but they are around similar sizes naturally plus there is really no one at 160 with that style).

I'd like to see how he deals with that style -- slick southpaws.

From there, graduate to Andre Dirrell. I want to see that fight. Or how about Arthur Abraham vs Golovkin? That's a good one."


The problem right now that I can see for Golovkin is the same problem he has been dealing with for a long time. And that is who will actually step up and be willing to get in the ring with him?

Cotto and Canelo have each other for much bigger money than they'd make facing Golovkin. Also, they would each see the other as a less likely threat than Golovkin. So in the near term neither are getting much with Golovkin.

Lara is with Haymon as is Quiilin. As is Trout I believe. So those fights seem very unlikely to happen at the moment. Would Andrade's team, coming off an impressive win, be willing to match their young champion in with Golovkin? I highly doubt it right now and see them angling for something else.

Dirrell is finally getting back in the ring here next week I believe. Before talking Golovkin, he needs to fight a few times and show what he has left. So maybe but not right away.

Froch does not seem interested. He could change his mind though. I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

Who knows who is whispering and what is being whispered into Chavez Jr's ear right now. He may be a possibility but likely that he will pass again on the Golovkin fight.

I think there are a couple opponents realistically possible at the moment for Golovkin next. Those would be Soliman in a unification fight, James Kirkland, Matt Korobov and Arthur Abraham.

Soliman possible because he is 40 and may look to maximize his belt winning performance into a pretty nice payday with Golovkin.

I think HBO would love the Kirkland fight but two things with Kirkland. Who knows when he will fight again and Canelo was also looking at him next.

That could leave Korobov who just fought on HBO. Korobov though is in the mandatory position for Quillin so he may go that route.

And this may leave us with someone Shadow mentioned above and that is Arthur Abraham.

Golvokin is in a tough position. He is almost too good for his own good and thus not able to get the big attention grabbing fights that are needed to make him a true superstar and vault him into PPV events.

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oubobcat:

Well I am officially 100% sold on all the Golovkin hype and then some. Geale was in my opinion the 2nd best middleweight entering the fight last night behind Golovkin and was absolutely destroyed. Geale is a good world class fighter with some very good wins on his resume and only close split decision losses coming into this fight. It was not competitive, not for a minute. Golovkin walked through anything Geale threw and inflicted damage with everything he threw.

I will say it right now that I am moving Golovkin up to 2 in my pound for pound rankings behind Mayweather. In my mind, he is ahead of Pacquiao, Rogondeaux, Ward, etc. And speaking of Ward, that is the fight I want to see. Yes Froch and Cotto are intriguing and would be fun but both are a little past their primes. Ward is in his prime as is Golovkin. I'd favor Golovkin but it'd no doubt be a great fight.

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Radam G:

Super pug reporting by Skibbz -- The $weet $cience's Eyes of Europe. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I agree. How can you win a bout while doing barely anything to do so and then look worse as an attraction and a fighter afterwards?





Perez is mentally ruined. He will never be the same. It is a shame"




Totally agree. Perez is mentally RUINED! And the game is highly a mental one. Holla!

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Radam G:

"I would give Cotto a chance to win vs GGG. Cotto is short so his best bet would be to get inside and let the hands go. Nobody gave Cotto a chance against Sergio and he dominated the fight. The big money and much easier fight is Canelo. Should be next. Cotto wins and the GGG fight is that much bigger at a sold out MSG. GGG is only human like the rest of us. He's not invincible. Cotto has the balls to get in there and roll the dice."

Nobody gave M-Co a chance against Sergio Martinez? Are you sure? I posted from the jump that M-Co was going to knock Sergio da double out.

M-Co is not fighting 3g. For what? Ain't any moolah in it. And M-Co is not a middleweight. Holla!

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The Shadow:

There are like four four threads of GGG worship. Can we keep/consolidate it to one? I'm confused trying to follow the comments and conversations in four different threads about the same topic.

There's no need for him to fight blown up welterweight in Cotto and Canelo. Let them play with each other. Even though Canelo is crazy enough to demand that guy.

If he's not going to the Big Dog Andre Ward right now, out Golovkin in there with Austin Trout, Dandy Landy or Boo Boo Andrade (they're 154, I know, but they are around similar sizes naturally plus there is really no one at 160 with that style).

I'd like to see how he deals with that style -- slick southpaws.

From there, graduate to Andre Dirrell. I want to see that fight. Or how about Arthur Abraham vs Golovkin? That's a good one.

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amayseng:

Cotto beats up Canelo.

Then GGG beats Cotto to an absolute pulp

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