Advertisement
Advertisement

Recent Comments Join Our Community

Skibbz:

"Skibbz - It is an savvy comparison - but GGG is a considerably more fluid two-handed combination puncher than Tzsu, though his tactics were similar. Tzsyu was stiffer in the upper body and didn’t mix it up as easily. Can you imagine a Ricky Hatton at any point taking apart a guy with the two-sided arsenal of a GGG? Tzsu was very good. GGG is in the running for great."

You're right Mort GGG uses a greater variety of punches. I think he looked stiff but that was mainly because he wanted to always be poised to attack. I don't think Hatton could have put up with a prime Tszyu, and I certainly can't imagine him taking apart someone of GGG's calibre. Although Hatton was a good banger he had a lot of holes in his game.. and a bottomless pit of a stomach.


@Oubobcat I don't think the hype surrounding the two fighters is the same unless you're taking the American context. In Europe, Tszyu was widely recognised as being the top amateur boxer in any division from around the age of 16/17. He destroyed Vernon Forrest in the '91 World Am Champs and went on to becoming a pro soon after. (I will post the fight at the end of this post for you to enjoy.)

Whilst he was fighting in and out of Australia, he was still fairly raw but his potential was there. I believe in his first showing in the states he was against a tough mexican/american banger who's name has slipped my mind. The mexican had good skills and was a seasoned vet who had never heard of Kostya, and it was much the same for Tszyu of him. When they got going the mexican quickly realised this wasn't a hype job and that Tszyu could fight, and that he had serious dynamite in his hands. I believe it went the distance, and turned into a real war of attrition, but after that display I believe people started to take note in America of the Thunder from Down Under.

GGG on the other hand, although having spectacular amateur credentials and a host of medals, I never heard of him being spoken about in the same way. In Europe we knew he could stop anyone if he got his leather on them but it was said in the pro's there will be slicksters and cute fighters who will dance rings around him. Not to say that opinion holds true now, just at the time in a lot of boxing circles in Europe that was the talk that surrounded a young Gennady.

Here's the video of Kostya and Forrest as promised, worth a watch it's very entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5HbhMCga5U

Reply

Skibbz:

Come on commissioner, Bizarro was sprinting laps of the ring for 10 rounds!! Other than that I must admit he showed great courage in the later rounds when Duran caught up with him. I remember the shot that sent him sprawling, Bizarro was tough.

Reply

The Commish:

My wife and I may be headed up there in the next couple of months. Now that I know about the place, I'll be sure to stop in.

Lou Bizzaro. He went into the fight against Duran sporting an undefeated record. In front of a hometown crowd, Bizzaro did himself proud against the vicious, 25-year-old lightweight champ before Duran's thudding shots got him out of there with seconds remaining in the 14th round.

Is Bizzaro's place a diner, bobcat? An Italian restaurant? Doesn't matter. If I'm there, I'm going!

-Randy G.

Reply

oubobcat:

When I first saw Golovkin, I was instantly reminded of Tszyu. They hype surrounding Tszyu too in 1997 was very similar to the hype Golovkin is receiving today.

Much like Tszyu lived up to the a lot of the hype eventually, I think Golovkin can as well. But Golovkin is also far from perfect and there are holes that need to be patched up.

Similar to Vince Phillips in 1997, people are overlooking Geale in my opinion. Geale is a very skilled fighter. He is very technically sound, knows how to create angles and throw at the right distance and is solid of the defensive end. Geale also has very quick hands and quicker feet than Golovkin. Mark my words, he is going to give Golovkin a fight on Saturday.

Whenever one good fighter faces another good fighter, anything can happen. Much like Tszyu against Phillips, this is a pretty big step up in competition for Golovkin. I would go as far to say that Geale is the 2nd best Middleweight in the world at the moment behind Golovkin. Geale is a very live underdog and 6-1 odds at the moment are ridiculous in my opinion.

One other thing, Golovkin could lose here but he could end up becoming a better fighter in the end. We also saw that with Tszyu after he lost to Phillips and go on to a Hall of Fame career.

Reply

mortcola:

"



Skibbz - It is an savvy comparison - but GGG is a considerably more fluid two-handed combination puncher than Tzsu, though his tactics were similar. Tzsyu was stiffer in the upper body and didn't mix it up as easily. Can you imagine a Ricky Hatton at any point taking apart a guy with the two-sided arsenal of a GGG? Tzsu was very good. GGG is in the running for great.

Reply

Skibbz:

"Skibbz, I can't believe you dropped the name Lou Bizzaro. A few weeks ago I was driving through Erie, PA and came across Lou Bizzaro's Ringside Restaurant. Of course, I had to stop. Not a bad place and the restaurant was all covered with boxing posters and memorabilia."



Ahh I've heard about that place, did you see the ring in which he fought Duran in there? It's supposedly 30 by 30! Maybe The Commish can get Algieri one of those next time he fights in NY.. Would love to check that place out myself, and the nosh too of course..

Reply

Skibbz:

On the topic of illegal substances, Her Majesty's horse, Estimate, tested positive for Morphine...

Reply

Skibbz:

I know what you mean Grimm, Duran was knocking welterweights out in the Chorillo when he was barely weighing above 112. Crazy power and ferocity.

The middleweight division is a very athletic division too but my problem is that sometimes in that division it goes a little quiet. When there are genuine middleweights around it can be very interesting but at times in it's history it's lacked several equally great champions and contenders.

I also totally agree on the Heavyweights. It's not for me, there are the odd few who make it interesting but in all it's just not the same in terms of action and consistency as the lower divisions.

Reply

Skibbz:

Phillips wasn't special but he put Tszyu off and took away his gameplan that night. Tszyu came back more determined as Stormcentre noted.

I have also said many times how GGG reminds of me Tszyu in the way he fights, it's very pleasurable to watch. Nice write up.

Reply

brownsugar:

Thanks for the Rodriquez saga... Its interesting how different circumstances can be so impactful in a fighters career. Darnell Boone has given several good fighters a hard time.

Chavez will get KO'd within 4 rounds if he tries to make 160 lbs against Cotto. I don't care what senior Chavez says. The kid ought to be fighting at 168 or 175.

Nice sales pitch for Algieri but I have Al vs Pac filed under the header of lowered expectations.

Finally Lara clearly did himself no favors against Canelo. He allowed the moment to slip from his grasp.

I thought Lara won handily and do not rule out external influence on the decision. but I can't prove it and neither do I care. Because I'd rather watch a fighter who has enough passion to show the audience how badly he wants to win.

Good article.

Reply

deepwater2:

"Another great piece Commish.

I did not realize Al Gavin was not in the Hall of Fame. That certainly needs to be corrected. He was not only a great cut man but great corner man as well. Hopefully, just an oversight that will soon be rectified.

I think Top Rank is going to make Cotto-Bradley. Chavez Sr. can talk all he wants about his boy making 160 but I don't see it happening. Plus, Cotto and his team are very smart businessmen. Even if Chavez could squeeze down to 160, he'd be so much bigger than Cotto. Cotto and his team take calculated risks. A fight with Bradley and then Canelo later on would be for big money (especially Canelo) and much more winnable than entering the ring with a potentially much bigger Chavez.

As for Martinez coming back, well like most I hoped he would retire. He clearly was not anywhere near 100% for his fight with Cotto. And he wasn't 100% either for his fight the previous time out with Murray. I don't see this going well and maybe when he hits the gym will reconsider."


Al Gavin should definitely be in the HOF. My most prized boxing possession is my old amateur passbook with the name AL GAVIN on the cover. I have it framed. When promoter Sal Mushimesi opened The Bulldog Boxing Club Al was the head trainer there. Al was the most serious boxing trainer I ever had. He knew boxing.

Reply

deepwater2:

Great column this week Commish.



It's nice to see Big George Mitchell mentioned. He was in my corner many times as an amateur. He brought me to spar John Duddy also. For such a big man he sure is a nice gentle guy.



If Pac can disregard CA's jab it will be an easy nights work. If he gets complacent and stays on the outside too long PAC can be in for a long night. The commish picked the upset of the year with the CA vs Ruslan P fight, can he do it again? I'm picking PAC but strange things can happen.

Reply

oubobcat:

Another great piece Commish.

I did not realize Al Gavin was not in the Hall of Fame. That certainly needs to be corrected. He was not only a great cut man but great corner man as well. Hopefully, just an oversight that will soon be rectified.

I think Top Rank is going to make Cotto-Bradley. Chavez Sr. can talk all he wants about his boy making 160 but I don't see it happening. Plus, Cotto and his team are very smart businessmen. Even if Chavez could squeeze down to 160, he'd be so much bigger than Cotto. Cotto and his team take calculated risks. A fight with Bradley and then Canelo later on would be for big money (especially Canelo) and much more winnable than entering the ring with a potentially much bigger Chavez.

As for Martinez coming back, well like most I hoped he would retire. He clearly was not anywhere near 100% for his fight with Cotto. And he wasn't 100% either for his fight the previous time out with Murray. I don't see this going well and maybe when he hits the gym will reconsider.

Reply

oubobcat:

"Algieri makes Lou bizarro look like a stand and trade slugger he runs so much. Even Lara would get fits after watching the Provo fight. To re use an old quote, Algieri with his not so cute pitter patter style was like a "fly buzzing around a lions mouth". He's a little top sugary for my liking outside the ring and and he puts on his marathon shoes inside. Why is he on a PPV?"

Skibbz, I can't believe you dropped the name Lou Bizzaro. A few weeks ago I was driving through Erie, PA and came across Lou Bizzaro's Ringside Restaurant. Of course, I had to stop. Not a bad place and the restaurant was all covered with boxing posters and memorabilia.

Reply

oubobcat:

This is getting absurd. Salka is a Lightweight who fought his last fight at 132 1/2. It makes the choice of him as an opponent all the more head scratching.

Look, I understand that fighters need to think about the length of their careers and cannot always fight in tough fights. And Garcia has a very good resume and fought his share of tough opponents on paper. But really, a blown up small Lightweight who is ranked by one place at 77 at a catch weight now of 142. There were plenty of other Jr. Welterweights here who could have got the call. Heck, how about Mayweather's guy Theophane who Garcia beat by split decision some years ago? Why not face him again and try to correct that split decision from the first time around? Its much more compelling that Salka.

Reply

stormcentre:

Yes, good write up and analogy.

RJJ's commentary was - as always - insightful and accurate. He knew Vince loved to throw down and had a unique and sometimes humorous way of letting the audience know.

Phillips was both tremendously tough, and also quite clever in his approach to that fight.

Tszyu, like Vince, fell in love with punching.

And as Kostya's career trajectory reached great heights that love of punching came with a downside that manifested itself with a neglect for the inside game and defence; that themselves would not ignore or remain unnoticed by father time or injuries.

Vince had tremendous punch resistance - perhaps as good as it gets - and that combined with both the above factors and also a game-plan to throw down hard with both lead power shots and KO counters - ensured that Tszyu paid the price for both his love of a shoot out (particularly with someone determined) and also how Kostya's hands almost always dropped after power delivery and upon retraction; leaving himself open for counters - if you could handle the incoming fire.

And Vince did.

In that fight Kostya's ability to easily be drawn into a gun fight, and ignore his superior boxing skills, worked against him.

Luckily, like all great champions that face a loss, he dealt with it, moved on, and still became the unified light welterweight champion.

Not so for Vince, although they don't come much tougher.

If Geale's defence holds up he can beat 3G. But with the form, stamina and firepower 3G has had it is hard to bet against him in hope that his opponent's defence will be watertight.

There are a few holes in 3G game though - but for now he and his pressure and power have ensured that no-one can both find and seriously exploit them.

Reply

thegreyman:

Been waiting for this fight for a while now. One guy who loves to dish it out, and another who adores taking it...

Heads down and start swinging lads!

My money's on Provo though, in a battle like this it comes down to power, chin and grit, and Provo has a serious edge in all three.

Reply

thegreyman:

The fight's a joke.

Absolutely nothing to gain from stepping in that ring.

Reply

thegreyman:

As Kellerman said- 'there's a monster in the middleweight division'. 3 days and the monster is unleashed again. The patient killer, the silent stalker.

A middle round KO and GGG will hopefully get a big name or two before the year is out.

Reply

thegreyman:

"Given the chance, alot of guys can beat his ***, outside of USA!"

A lot of guys can beat him outside the US?

You're aware that, until very recently, he was based in Germany, taking on all comers?

You're aware that he's faced literally over 350 amateurs, and beaten all but 5?

That's quite a lot of guys that have tried to beat him outside the US, and failed...

What is it that makes him so flawed in your opinion?

Reply

thegreyman:

I can see Algieri cocooning on the ropes after a couple of rounds, receiving hammering combinations from the little man. He'll be beaten to the punch early on, and you can't hope to simply outwork someone when that's happening to you.

Manny has had experience of countless types of opponents- Algieri's height or reach will prove no problem to him, and his long distance running tactics will be of little use to someone who can control the ring, his opponent, and distance, as well as The Congressman can.

Algieri's in for a real tough night- there will be no battling through this one. Everything Provodnikov didn't do- Manny will execute perfectly. Close down the distance, throw accurate combinations, be first and be fast, cut off the ring. It should be a walk in the park for Manny.

Reply

Skibbz:

"I hear ya' Steve. I can certainly understand how many fans thought Provodnikov won vs. Algieri. But I can also understand why so many went with Algieri. That is truly the nature of scoring a fight.



I can also understand how most of you feel Algieri was take more than his share of lumps against Pacquiao, with no apparent firepower to keep Pac-Man off of him.



We'll have to wait until November 22 to find out.



-Randy G."




Algieri makes Lou bizarro look like a stand and trade slugger he runs so much. Even Lara would get fits after watching the Provo fight. To re use an old quote, Algieri with his not so cute pitter patter style was like a "fly buzzing around a lions mouth". He's a little top sugary for my liking outside the ring and and he puts on his marathon shoes inside. Why is he on a PPV?

Reply

The Commish:

"Randy, I have been following you since the days of Ring Magazine. I still have old VHS tapes of fights that you called. I even tried to sell a boxing short story to you when you were the Ring editor. I respect your knowledge and your opinions. But . . . there's no way in heck that Chris Algieri came close to beating Provodnikov, and if he even gets one judge's vote over Pacquiao, I'll . . . well, I'll say I was wrong. Buster Douglas had evident power in his fists when going in against Tyson. Algieri punches half as hard as Little Prince George on his first birthday. Yes, Escalera "beating" Everett was all manner of ridiculous -- I have that one recorded, too; remember how "Flash" Gordon went nuclear over it? --, but to my eye, Algieri's "victory" wasn't much better. The Local Kid lucked up, and now he gets his million bucks for taking yet another thumping, one that his New York judge buddies won't be able to manipulate. Or, at least that's the way it looks from this corner. Steve V."

I hear ya' Steve. I can certainly understand how many fans thought Provodnikov won vs. Algieri. But I can also understand why so many went with Algieri. That is truly the nature of scoring a fight.

I can also understand how most of you feel Algieri was take more than his share of lumps against Pacquiao, with no apparent firepower to keep Pac-Man off of him.

We'll have to wait until November 22 to find out.

-Randy G.

Reply

The Commish:

He knew and loved the sport as much as anybody, but also had an explosive temper. In January 1999, Mike Tyson fought Frans Botha in Las Vegas. I had a freelance asssignment working for Botha as his P.R. guy, hired by Sterling McPherson, Botha's manager.

A few days before the fight, Fernandez called me in my hotel room one night and we talked boxing for at least a half hour. Finally, he asked me if he could interview Botha about his upcoming fight. I told him I would do my best to arrange the interview. The next morning, as we were preparing to go out for a run, I asked Botha if he'd do the interview. He shook his head and said, "No more interviews."

You could see he was getting into his fight mode. He was a few days away from fighting Tyson, and he now had his "game face" on. I understood. He was singling Fernandez out. He was shutting it down completely.

The next day, I told Fernandez that I was sorry, but Botha was shutting down all interview requests. I also told him that if he gave me a list of questions, I could get Botha to answer them and I would get the answers back to him ASAP. It was a fair offer, I thought.

Fernandez didn't. He yelled and screamed at me on the phone. I told him this wasn't about him. I told him Botha has become understandably sullen. I told him to ask Jacob "Stitch" Duran, the great cutman/cornerman, who was in our camp. Fernandez refused to let up, saying he was going to rip us on his radio show.

After the event, I called Fernandez. He once again went ballistic on me. That was 15 years ago. We haven't spoke since. But I enjoyed his enthusiasm, his sass, his fire and his passion. Recently, I, too, looked for him on the internet. Nada.

Did his sponsors go south on him? Did he run into financial difficulty? Did he lose interest? Did he "hit the wall" from overwork?

I have no answers. Just questions.

I have no hard feelings at all towards Pedro. I hope he returns to the boxing landscape. I'm gonna' look through some old phone numbers to see if I still have his and if it still works.

I hope to reach him.

-Randy G.

Reply

stormcentre:

Forgot to say Perez V Jennings should also be a good scrap.

Reply

stormcentre:

I just love the name of this article - so apt

Reply

stormcentre:

"

Our man Lance allegedly tested positive for it in '99 but it was swept under the rug, much like they said they did with a Carl Lewis test in '88 or around that time.



"






Hmmmm . .



Where was USADA when you (Lance) needed them?



Oh yes that's right - USADA where there, testing, and they came up with naught.



Armstrong simply used hypoxic chambers to fool the body into naturally producing EPO (to mask any synthetic form of it); oxygen molecules are oxygen molecules regardless of whether they're produced by the body or any other means.



And USADA's tests only (then and probably still now) only tested for a ratio of EPO that itself simply took EPO samples from;



a) Areas of the body called basic regions (where synthetic EPO was usually administered in conflict with most sporting body's policies), and then compared/referenced them to;



b) EPO from what is commonly referred to as the acidic region of the body; which is where EPO is naturally produced in the body - such as where natural EPO is produced enabling more erythrocytes (red blood cells) to be produced within the body; which can be within the body's bone marrow.





However, from my post here . . . .



http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436



It is clear that EPO is produced naturally in the body.



For those interested please remember . . . .



In the same abovementioned post I refer to a popular method of blood doping, called Endogenous Erythrocyte Production Stimulation.



EEPS blood doping is essentially the outcome of a biological process referred to as Erythropoiesis, that is itself normally regulated by tissue oxygenation within the human body.



When hypoxia (a condition in which the body or a region of the body, such as the tissues within muscles, is deprived of an adequate oxygen supply; such as when you train or even sleep at altitude) occurs, sensors within the kidneys are triggered that in turn lead to increased natural production of the hormone erythropoietin, or EPO.



As soon as scientists and particularly chemists (of all kinds, including the backyard type) realized that the body had a natural way to combat the lack of oxygen at altitude, that, when applied to sea (and not high) level altitudes, if this form of combat or assistance had not disappeared all together and remained at ground level (which it does); it would be a significant advantage to sports - they seized upon it.



Since the abovementioned USADA synthetic EPO tests relied on a ratio of EPO collected from where USADA believed to be sites within the body that served as a good representation of where both synthetic and natural EPO exist (which is as laughable as believing that the analgesic capabilities of an aspirin somehow only goes to the part of your body in pain), all Lance Armstrong (and his well paid Doctor) allegedly had to do was simply increase his body's reference EPO site (that/where USADA believed only natural EPO existed and therefore used as their reference for their synthetic EPO tests) referred to as the acidic region of Lance's body.



Once that was done Armstrong's natural EPO was as high as the synthetic EPO, and then the ratio comes out as you want because 5/15 = 500/1500.



USADA didn't care that both individual readings (the numerator and denominator) where sky high.



Which in my view is as good as turning a blind eye and/or having the ability to both not ruffle feathers of those in cycling that wrote the big cheques, whilst also being able to say "hey we test for non-natural EPO".



The result was that everybody was happy and everybody made money, and not too many appeared to care about the real issue USADA where paid and tasked with.



Now that doesn't sound familiar to USADA in boxing does it? :)



To me, this was like finding out the manager of your big-ish or light heavyweight-ish looking boxing opponent for your upcoming middleweight bout had his foot under the scales during the weigh in; which the astute boxing readers here will know certainly has happened.



So, by Armstrong basically inducing hypoxia and erythropoiesis in a legal and accepted manner he then elevated his erythrocyte (that is basically the same as red blood cells) levels - which in turn elevated his the levels of hemoglobin molecules, importantly including those he had in the acidic regions of his body where the reference point for the above-mentioned USADA test was.



In doing so not only did he beat the (shamefully laughable) tests but he also ensured there was a significant increase in natural EPO in his body.



This cleverly served many aspects of his game, including getting him ready for the next day's cycling both physically and excuse-wise, and to also offset the diminishing half life of all the synthetic EPO in his system that USADA were clearly not interested in because they only drew suspicion from the ratio; not, laughably, the massive denominators and numerators that were orders above what would normally be found.



This is like knowing that a natural EPO count never goes over, say for the purpose of this discussion; 300. And also acknowledging that both;



a) The sole outcome of any negative synthetic EPO test must be 1.



b) Typical negative synthetic EPO tests return between 5/15 to 50/150 (just for purposes of this discussion); but then not being suspicious with a 500/1500 result because it still returns a 1 from a ratios perspective.



Good stuff eh USADA?



The above method Armstrong used to beat the USADA EPO test is commonly referred to as hypoxia induced erythropoiesis and that same legal method and advantage of elevating one's endurance will be brought to town hard in 3G's fight with Geale this weekend.



To make (USADA) matters even more laughable they, of course, also had no explicit policy that prevented athletes to be tested for synthetic EPO from performing any action that would induce erythropoiesis; whether it be by hypoxia or some other method.



Brilliant stuff isn't it?



Talk about leaving a backdoor open for the top athletes than can afford day to day professional advice and/or chemist's assistance.



So basically if you're powerful, famous and wealthy enough there are 2 rules for you, and everybody else plays by 1 - just as all else get to go home a winner; all whilst the public thinks all is good and well in the land of sporting utopia.



This is, no doubt, why Armstrong became so cocky; as it surely must have become clear to him (because it was to me 10 years ago) that the USADA synthetic EPO tests were designed for more than one purpose or agenda - almost to the same extent that they were easily passed by a guy who won the tour de France (is there a sport that is more endurance dominated) 7 times whilst not only sky high on HGH and EPO of any kind - but also possessing the ability to say "I have not tested positive for any (USADA) test".



And to make matters more laughable, naturally USADA also had no effective policy that tested for HGH or testosterone either, and this went on from about 97 through to 2006.



HGH and testosterone had been in sports a little before 97.



You can just imagine Armstrong - during or after USADA synthetic EPO tests - upon being asked why his red blood cells (or erythrocytes), hemoglobin molecule, or EPO count; was unusually high - if indeed any USADA staffer actually dared . . . .



Only to hear Armstrong (predictably) say "well I get some of my performance from high altitude training - I make no secret of that".



From there the USADA employee would most likely consider their career and family before publishing even a watered down acknowledgement that Armstrong or anyone engaging in such "legal and accepted training" - as hypoxia induced erythropoiesis - would easily defeat their synthetic EPO tests - as much as it would allow them (or anyone that USADA suspected of beating the tests by hypoxia induced erythropoiesis) to simply say "my understanding is that my USADA synthetic EPO (ratio) test turned out a negative and that all I am doing is simulating training at altitude".



From there perhaps a speech could be written . . .



"I would like to thank USADA for assisting me to take part in the fight against performance enhancing drugs in this wonderful sport of ours and to also allow me to categorically substantiate that I am indeed a clean athlete".



Game over and everybody gets to go home a winner.



And . . . it's not like it hasn't happened; for 7 years; on USADA's watch.



Remember how I usually use automotive analogies?



Well where do you think supercharging (the practice of fitting an air pump to an internal combustion engine) came from?



The aviation industry, the war, and the need to get out of harm's way at high altitude.



It didn't take long to work out that shoving more in the motor and increasing the barometric pressure when, altitude-wise, it was not needed; was a great way to enhance performance of cars.



In fact some of the first the supercharger equipped planes required less runway to clear the earth and become airborne; which was a dead giveaway of where the popular aftermarket for automobiles and internal combustion engines was heading.



Now in boxing, we are also in a war of sorts.



I know most of you are not, but let's not fool ourselves that anyone in this great sport - and it is great - particularly those at the top - is not juicing.



Once we do that, in my humble opinion, we cease to become knowledgeable boxing purists and gravitate towards a USADA like mentality.



My take on it all is that it doesn't detract from the spectacle and sensation that is boxing, as boxing has always been entertaining for many reasons including the fact that it is a sport that mixes the good with the bad, sometimes so well it makes you question which is which and why you found what is referred to as bad, really good.



Theatre of life as they say and the things that make you go hmmmmn.



:)

Reply

Grimm:

Totally agree on Duran. If I ever was cornered in a bad street anywhere in the world by a bunch of hoodlums, and had to pick one boxer thru history to stand by my side - or rather, in front of me, hehe - it would probably be Duran. His looks alone would probably have given them second thoughts.

Divisionwise, I consider middleweight to be the premier division - sometimes challenged by welterweight - with its perfect blend of skill, size, power, speed and, normally, great pool of talent. But granted, some fights down at lw are truly special, spectacular and explosive (as well as in the even lighter divisions). Above middleweight, it takes extraordinary fighters to capture my interest. Heavyweights make me sleepy - both their talk, their walk and their zombiestyle of fighting.

Reply

Radam G:

What Mother Nature has given is BEST. And you use it if you want the ultimate conquest. New age Drago jive should be kept on the Big screens. Because every single time that monkey jive, old skool creams.

You can't fool Mother Nature. First, treadmill running doesn't give you the particles of dust, grass, wind and the smell and shine of the moon and sun that you breathe in from running outside. Some of you will say: how in the hell came you smell the moon and the sun? That is something that you have never been taught.

But those who know know. And your body knows and will suck that smell and shine of the sun and moon like a crying, hungry baby goes after his mother's nipples. Oh, YUP! Your bodee yearns that sun and moon and all of Mother Nature while you are inside 24/7/365 New Jacking and weak attacking and new-age Drago inside training on hyped-up machines with small manmade benefits.

So you will never know until you know. But inside on the treadmill doesn't build your immunities. But outside running does. Because like I said, you breathe in particles of this and that -- making your immune system ironside tough against germs and viruses and bacteria that you can pick from a crowd of indoor people with tons of this and that illnesses and rashes.

You get more benefits from climbing up and up and down a tree than you get from going up and down a rope in the New Jack air condition gyms. Beside, gym air condition messes up your cooling system. Cool your arse by bleeding sweat, not by toxic air coming out of an air condition.

I can go on forever, but y'all get my point. Hopefully! Holla!

Reply

stormcentre:

"

"You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That's the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast – they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug "Epo Boost." I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten."

""


And those oxygen carriers mentioned in Shadow’s quoted article are exactly what I mentioned here (whether they're called something else or not). .

http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing

Where I talk of PFCs.

PFCs are different to hemoglobin (which are the body’s natural molecularly sized carriages that not only allow oxygen to attach to them - but also transports that oxygen through to tissues and muscles; to offset and/or prevent the conversion of pyruvic acid to lactic acid; which delays fatigue) because their ability - “the exchange carriage” I mentioned in my above-mentioned link/post - to not only carry more oxygen - but also extract more carbon dioxide; than hemoglobin alone can.

When the blood passes through the lungs, the abovementioned oxygen molecules then have the opportunity to attach to the hemoglobin when blood traverses through the body's lung tissues, and as that happens the hemoglobin then releases oxygen into the cells.

PFCs and similarly performing AOCPES’s travel through the body’s lung tissues and capture and release gases at a far greater rate than hemoglobin, because they dissolve and (later) release the oxygen via a process referred to as diffusion; which itself has an efficiency or ability to transfer oxygen far, far better than the 4 molecules-at-a-time hemoglobin can.

Dissolving oxygen like this (particularly in tandem to the way the hemoglobin works; remember the hemoglobin is still there in the red blood - it’s why the blood looks red) allows PFC’s to exchange gases, such as oxygen and carbon dioxide - which are both critical to cardiovascular dominated sports performances - far more rapidly and far more efficiently than the hemoglobin molecule can alone.

I think I also mention the ability to mix and match PES in my abovementioned post/link, and from that and Shadow's post you can also see that the author of the article Shadow quotes is referring to a mixture of EPO and the abovementioned AOCPES I mention.

The issue of PES, particularly AOCPES's, is here to stay my friends - because (whether anyone likes it or not) it works.

Reply
Advertisement

Headlines

perezandjenningsinnystateofmind News
Perez and Jennings in NY State of Mind

WBC HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE ELIMINATOR; BRYANT JENNINGS VS. MIKE PEREZ HEAVYWEIGHTS HITS EMPIRE STATE BUILDING New York City (July 22, 2014) Undefeated heavyweights BRYANT “By By” JENNINGS and MIKE “The Rebel” PEREZ stopped traffic today at they headed to the world-famous Empire State Building for a media photo opportunity on the 86th Floor Observation Deck. With a huge crowd of onlookers and supporters watching their every step, the fighters posed for photos and signed autographs for the well-wishers. Co-featured on the“G4”...

Read the full story
commissionerscorneronjudgingmisstepsalgierisdeepcutmore Top Articles
COMMISSIONER'S CORNER: On Judging Missteps, Algieri's Deep Cut, More

Let's get one thing straight: The decision rendered on the Canelo Alvarez-Erislandy Lara fight was not fixed or pre-ordained, as so many of you have told me through your calls, your texts, your e-mails, your messages and your tweets. Canelo Alvarez-Erislandy Lara. This is the perfect example of why it's so hard, so difficult, to score a fight. Read each post here on TSS in reaction to the fight. Read 'em carefully. Some of you thought Lara won convincingly (as did I & judge Dave Moretti). Some of you thought Canelo won (as did judges...

Read the full story by Randy Gordon
kovalev2daysonhbosaturday Press Release
Kovalev 2 Days on HBO SATURDAY

“2 Days: Sergey Kovalev” Premieres Saturday, July 26 on HBO® HBO Sports® debuts an all-new installment of “2 Days” when the feature segment returns Saturday, July 26 at 11:45 p.m. (ET/PT) immediately following the live World Championship Boxing® card from New York with a behind-the-scenes look at world light heavyweight title-holder Sergey “Krusher” Kovalev, one of boxing’s fastest rising stars. “2 Days” is a revealing and intimate look at a 48-hour span in the life of a boxer in the lead-up to one of his fights and...

Read the full story
provodnikovriosintheworks News
Provodnikov-Rios In the Works?

Ruslan Provodnikov didn’t have his best night on June 14, against Chris Algieri. He was the Siberian Rocky in round one, when he sent the Long Islander to the mat twice, and looked to be on his way to a quickie defense of his WBO 140 pound crown. But Algieri hung in there, adapted, and went back to the Island with a brand new belt. Ruslan didn’t agree with the decision, to put it mildly, and protested that he put the hurt on the “winner,” a guy who seemed to want to move more than engage. That issue is in the rear view mirror now,...

Read the full story by Michael Woods
releasethegolovkintripleginnyc News
RELEASE THE GOLOVKIN! Triple G in NYC!

GENNADY GOLOVKIN VS. DANIEL GEALE GGG HITS TIMES SQUARE!! New York City (July 21, 2014) First stop for World Middleweight Champion GENNADY “GGG” GOLOVKIN on Monday afternoon when he arrived in New York City was to check out the massive billboard in Times Square for his highly anticipated World Middleweight Championship against two-time world champion DANIEL “The Real Deal” GEALE, this Saturday, July 26 at The Mecca of Boxing, Madison Square Garden and LIVE on HBO WorldChampionship Boxing ® beginning at 9:30 p.m....

Read the full story
caparelloreiterateshesnotafraidofkovalevhedemandedthisfight Press Release
Caparello Reiterates; He's NOT Afraid of Kovalev, He Demanded This Fight

Training Camp Notes: Blake "Il Capo" Caparello Is Ready To Take On Krusher Blake Caparello Photo Courtesy of: DiBella EntertainmentEd Diller Australia: As all eyes are on Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev (24-0-1, 22 KOs) and the possibility of a unification fight with Bernard "Alien" Hopkins later this year, Blake "Il Capo" Caparello (19-0-1, 6 KOs) sees everyone in the boxing community forgetting about the undefeated southpaw from Australia who is challenging Kovalev for his WBO Light Heavyweight World Title August 2 at Revel in Atlantic...

Read the full story
dustyhernandezharrisonfightingatmsgonsaturday Press Release
Dusty Hernandez-Harrison Fighting At MSG On Saturday

Rising Star Set to Put Unbeaten Streak on the Line onUndercard of Golovkin vs. Geale HBO World Championship Boxing
 WASHINGTON, D.C. (July 22, 2014)- On July 26, Dusty Hernandez-Harrison will return to the “Mecca of Boxing," Madison Square Garden, and put his undefeated record on the line when he faces off against hard hitting Wilfredo Acuna (15-14, 12KOs) of Nicaragua. The welterweight bout will take place on the undercard of the “G4” mega event between Gennady Golovkin and Daniel Geale for the WBA “Super Championship” title...

Read the full story
thelotierzolowdownwhymaidanawillbeeasierformayweatherthistime Top Articles
THE LOTIERZO LOWDOWN Why Maidana Will Be Easier For Mayweather This Time

When the swarmer/attacker legitimately loses to the boxer or better technician the first time, and this applies to the first Mayweather-Maidana fight, the rematch is usually a rerun and easier for the boxer. Conversely, when the swarmer beats the boxer the first time, it's not out of the ordinary for the boxer to win the rematch. Two of the most high profile boxer vs. swarmer/fighter match-ups in history unfolded just that way. "Smokin" Joe Frazier conclusively beat Muhammad Ali in the "Fight Of The Century" back in March of 1971. However,...

Read the full story by Frank Lotierzo
patrickhylandqicantwaittoworkwithdibellaandbecomeanotherofhisworldchampsq News
Patrick Hyland: "I Can't Wait To Work With DiBella and Become Another Of His World Champs"

PATRICK HYLAND MEET AND GREET QUOTES SET TO HEADLINE UPCOMING BROADWAY BOXING CARD THIS WEDNESDAY AT B.B. KING BLUES CLUB & GRILL New York, NY (7/21/14) - Earlier this evening, DiBella Entertainment (DBE) held a meet and greet for newly signed top-rated featherweight contender and former world title challenger Patrick "The Punisher" Hyland (27-1, 12KO's), of Ireland, at Mercury Bar East in East midtown Manhattan. The exciting featherweight will be making his official NYC debut when he headlines DBE's upcoming Broadway Boxing card...

Read the full story
thehistoricfifthcrownmayweathervspacquiao2015 Top Articles
The Historic Fifth Crown: Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, 2015

In 1988, Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Donny Lalonde and was handed two world championships for the price of none. HBO’s Larry Merchant sniffed at this. After a post-fight studio discussion with Leonard, he turned to us. “You may have noticed I made no reference to Sugar Ray Leonard winning his fourth and fifth world championships. This may be the sincerest form of flattery because the promoters have invented three titles for every two pounds. The fallout is that the word ‘champion’ means less than the fighter, who is or isn’t...

Read the full story by Springs Toledo

Boxing Results

FIGHTER Result Rnd

Guillermo Rigondeaux

Sod Kokietgym

KO Rd. 1

Brian Viloria

José Alfredo Zuñiga

KO Rd. 5

Zou Shiming

Luis de la Rosa

UD Rd. 10

Boxing Schedule

Facebook
Twitter
Advertisement
fight results
Boxing Cartoons
Advertisement
IBOFP

Who's the best Mexican boxer today?

6.3%
1.3%
62%
2.5%
7.6%
1.3%
1.3%
17.7%
Loading...