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Radam G:

It will be Danny "Smooth" Garcia and his wacky pops Angel "Rough Edges" Garcia. Fasting-for-Ramadan Amir Khan is walking around at a buck seventy, so buzzes the pugvine of the United Kingdom. AK doesn't want any. He's all joke -- I mean smoke -- and no fire. Holla!

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brownsugar:

Definitely a lot of valid viewpoints ....and many diverse opinions..... Several ways this scenario can play out.
Its just disappointing that such a legitimate confrontation has to take a backseat to the secretive business of boxing.

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brownsugar:

It would be a good place to start. But who is to say what direction Manny will head to next? A lower weight class? Algeiri (the rematch if PAC gets out hussled)



Unless Arum cosigns its just wishful thinking



But I think Khan would be a more popular choice.

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brownsugar:

It would be a good place to start. But who is to say what direction Manny will head to next? A lower weight class? Algeiri (the rematch if PAC gets out hussled)

Unless Arum cosigns its just wishful thinking

But I think Khan would be a more popular choice.

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The Commish:

"Fernandes, as usual you got your nose in the wrong area..East...Zsolt..You know after all invested you still smell the undarm! not the dance..the art the Corazone primo...Ya still a yokel homey thats all for yer constituence and usually have no sents of discerment!"

Said only as Bernie C. could say it.

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Shadow, all I can say to your post (#6 on this thread) is "Wow!" I am breathless after reading that. Luckily, we have become friends who get to spend some time with each other. We've got to talk more about the system of education.

Over to Floyd, I'm sure he doesn't read as horrifically as the videos depict. If he does, so what. I have a doctor friend who reads the same way.

"I just can't read printed copy like you guys in radio and TV," he tells me. All he does is intricate plastic surgery. I can read copy. I can't do plastic surgery.

Floyd Mayweather is not a great copy reader. Guess what? I don't want him to be a great copy reader. I want the news and sports anchors I watch at night to be great copy readers. I want to see Floyd Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in hearing him read.

I want to hear my favorite actors deliver their lines flawlessly. I don't want to see them fight.

No, Floyd Mayweather didn't go to college. He received a minimum of education.

Yet, in the School of Hard Knocks, he is a Professor Emeritus, worth more than the national debt of many small countries.

Read? Floyd has back-to-school giveaways every year to hundreds of needy school kids. I don't see scores of other millionaire athletes, or educated businessmen, doing the same thing.

Like I said earlier: "I want to see Floyd Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in hearinghim read."

-Randy G.

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deepwater2:

Those two are the gentleman I referred to as being so juiced up, that Floyd will fail a drug test if he touches them.



Those two are going to over-react, make a big mistake and cost Floyd some lawsuit money. Fire them Floyd.

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Bernie Campbell:

Fernandes, as usual you got your nose in the wrong area..East...Zsolt..You know after all invested you still smell the undarm! not the dance..the art the Corazone primo...Ya still a yokel homey thats all for yer constituence and usually have no sents of discerment!

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The Shadow:

Are y'all seeing Floyd's new security boys talking mad sh*t right now?

Jersey Shore, mutant looking suckers. Look like Paulie Malignaggi bathed in mutagen and turned into that. Or maybe like Michael Buffer when he morphs into Rumbleman!

These boys think they're cutting a WWE promo while they look like Chippendale rejects who are trying a little too hard to act macho. "If you touch Floyd, we touch you!"

The other one then says, "he says he wants to go in the alley with Floyd. Well he can go in the alley with me and I'll take care of him. He's the one who disrespected Floyd first!"

Riiiiiiiiight. You know these dopes can't fight. They'll gas in two seconds. "Rumble man TIRED!"

Better go get some more GH. Robert Garcia may just be the trainer but they forget that Roberto Garcia is the same age as Floyd, the former champ and still one mean ese.

Seriously, these WWE looking dudes are poppin' off so bad I'm just waiting for Booker T to pop out and say, "HULK HOGAN! We comin' for you, *****!"

Anyway, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKy1iKPDlVk#t=1587

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Radam G:

"The Khan Academy is free and programs like: University of the People ,can teach you more than most traditional universities ever could.

Most of the successful neurosurgeons and doctors I work with , homeschool their children and only use the public schools for activities like sports and drama. When the time comes that they decide they want to work in a specific profession then they will go to college for the specific degree and usually at 16 years old. The most respected museums in NYC have programs and classes for young children for pennies on the dollar. Unless you have a specific profession mapped out, college can be an expensive mistake.


From wikipedia:

Khan Academy is a non-profit educational organization created in 2006 by educator Salman Khan to provide "a free, world-class education for anyone, anywhere." Its website features thousands of educational resources, including a personalized learning dashboard, over 100,000 practice problems, and over 6,000 micro lectures via video tutorials stored on YouTube teaching mathematics, history, healthcare, medicine, finance, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, cosmology, American civics, art history, economics, and computer science. All resources are available for free to anyone around the world. By 2013, they were used by about 10 million students per month. Khan Academy's micro lectures have been watched over 468 million times."


Wow! Thanks for the publicity. Without telling my business, I'm a volunteer educator of Khan Academy. OMG! There are some resourceful, educated dudes and dudettes up in this Universe. You know so much of the reality of the actuality. It's a joy when you are with guys who don't have to and don't fake it. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Didn't Quillin hire an advisor and a lawyer so that they could go over the details of the contract for him? I am sure Quillin can give the OK from the hospital waiting room. Anyone taking bets that Quillin signs the contract at all?

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deepwater2:

The Khan Academy is free and programs like: University of the People ,can teach you more than most traditional universities ever could.



Most of the successful neurosurgeons and doctors I work with , homeschool their children and only use the public schools for activities like sports and drama. When the time comes that they decide they want to work in a specific profession then they will go to college for the specific degree and usually at 16 years old. The most respected museums in NYC have programs and classes for young children for pennies on the dollar. Unless you have a specific profession mapped out, college can be an expensive mistake.





From wikipedia:



Khan Academy is a non-profit educational organization created in 2006 by educator Salman Khan to provide "a free, world-class education for anyone, anywhere." Its website features thousands of educational resources, including a personalized learning dashboard, over 100,000 practice problems, and over 6,000 micro lectures via video tutorials stored on YouTube teaching mathematics, history, healthcare, medicine, finance, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, cosmology, American civics, art history, economics, and computer science. All resources are available for free to anyone around the world. By 2013, they were used by about 10 million students per month. Khan Academy's micro lectures have been watched over 468 million times.

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Froggy:

WOW ! All I can say shadow is WOW , I am not American, I am Canadian but I don't disagree with you at all, same thing north of your border ! Very well written !

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The Shadow:

"Good comments .....while were are on the subject most people graduate without knowing how to stay out of debt...keep a job, buy a house, stay married, raise kids or negotiate a car deal.... I say the educational system is overrated."

It's extremely overrated. Education is a trap, actually. It teaches you to be a good little slave.

Ugh.

If they really wanted to fix the situation with unemployment and poverty -- IMO -- what they need to do is tear the curricula to shreds and build all academic material around a simple foundation consisting of accountability, positive thinking, entrepreneurship, goal setting and social skills.

(Certain demographics are taught most of these principles from home, which carry over to every aspect of their lives and become the cornerstone of their success.)

Those five pillars right there is all you need. You would create jobs, opportunities, you would practically wipe out the residual remnants of slavery and create a truly free market.

But they don't really want that.

Instead, they brainwash kids from young to focus on academics, which is important, but graduating and graduating and graduating so you can get in to a good college and eventually put all your eggs in the one basket that says "Get a good job."

They want classism, often mistaken for racism.

They want the insane unemployment rate that Deepwater brought up. They want people to think that $100,000 a year is a the marker of success.

The United States has the highest ratio of executive salary-to-employer compensation by a gross amount. Most countries worldwide had a ratio that surely favored the bosses. (I have to locate this chart, I forgot where I saved it.)

But compared to the second-highest, the US was just off the charts. When I was reading it, I started calculating, percentage wise, how much this $100,000 salary was in comparison to what the top dogs were racking in.

It turned out that the numbers were very similar to what it would cost to feed and breed a slave relative to the purchase price and annual labor value.

THAT IS SICK!

In other words, someone who goes through college, racks up student loans (sharecropping anyone?), then gets "rewarded" by landing a corporate job that pays six figures (HOORAY!) feels like he has made it.

Little does he know, he's essentially a house slave like Stephen in Django Unchained.

Education, as it exists now, is little more than a tool to maintain the status quo of 10% bosses controlling the 90% workers. If entrepreneurship and goal setting were taught, this balance would be upset.

Pimps and hos, y'all.

Before anyone gets cynical about my relationship with formal education (since this is something dropouts often say), I am essentially a lifetime student with degrees out the azz -- it's practically what I do best.

Moreover, I have seen the slave mentality up close and personal growing up with my black grandmother. And I saw the RADICALLY different mentality living with white father, a very successful businessman.

After I moved in with him he spent years trying to de-condition me from that whole slavery mentality.

Because he never went to school, we thought me going would be a good idea, mainly because I wanted to become a journalist. Later, I so desperately wanted to have an MBA because one teacher told me it's the ticket to good salaries so I looked up those with that. But in retrospect, anything I do, I could've --and have-- just as easily learned from my father.

Whether it be finance, work ethic, thinking, what have you. And on the writing end, I got published a few times as 15-year-old 9th grader anyway!

So today, instead of feeling empowered from getting degrees, all I see is how many are out there, how many MBAs for sale you can find all over, how many are unemployed and how little it really matters.

So Suge, not only is it overrated, it's a fucking scam.

P.S. I've tweeted about this before but the reality is, the network of millionaires who drop out of college compared to millionaires who didn't is not even a comparison.

It's like comparing the drawing power of school-dropout Floyd Mayweather to Mr. Masters Degree Chris Algieri. Oh, wait...

P.P.S Last year, the fast-growing education industry was at $4.4 TRILLION. Nowadays, with unemployment high and education sold as the ticket out, in just a year it has skyrocketed to over $7 trillion.

Like I said, pimps and hos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/02/09/global-education-market-reaches-4-4-trillion-and-is-growing/

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dino da vinci:

Brown, what I believe Storm meant was to please consider any quality posts that happened the half day before your scheduled start as mod.

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The Shadow:

"I'm at a disadvantage when discussing the business side Shadow. But I can comprehend what you say... But if Floyd can give out free turkeys on holidays he can at least fight a turkey for free as a gesture of good will. (Insert any top 20 fighter here).

Good comments"


Hahaha true! I think we might see that, actually. There's been talks of that in the past.

He's wanted to go on a tour, fight a relative jabroni, like a foreign, lower-Top 10 guy for $10 million, fight next month for another $10m, which would allow for free TV to enter the equation while padding his record.

I don't know what happened to it but I can only assume that his advisors talked him out of it, considering you might saturate the market.

Especially now that he has his guaranteed PPV contract. But once that expires, I really wouldn't be shocked if they threw some decent money at him for a showcase fight a la Pacquiao-Algieri or DLH-Forbes to take place in Dubai, televised on CBS.

They could definitely recoup that.

If he really wants to develop his stable, he should consider taking 3-4 fights like that on CBS and have his guys showcased on there.

I'm with you, Suge, fight that turkey!

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flackoguapo:

Wow! Commish,that pumped me up! Thank you. I am a lot more informed now and ready for the "bright lights" haha. I will make sure to learn and pay extra attention to B-Sug while he does his thing...

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brownsugar:

Good comments .....while were are on the subject most people graduate without knowing how to stay out of debt...keep a job, buy a house, stay married, raise kids or negotiate a car deal.... I say the educational system is overrated.

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brownsugar:

"First of all, @Deep, nice post. I could totally see that happening!

7:15 PM. "I'm not buying Lil Floyd's crap."

7:45 PM.

"Maidana's coming for him."

*Checks TSS forum. Reads thoughts, sees insane quote from Maidana.*

7:50 PM. "I don't know, Maidana might get him. Or Floyd might finally come out like he did against Manfredy."

8:30 PM. "F*** it, you bastard, I love boxing!"

Bought! Haha!

Now Suge, here's the thing. The reason they're shooting the prices up are simple. People gauge PPV by looking at number of buys, which is a fallacious way of assessing it.

For instance, Mayweather-Marquez did 1 million subscriptions. Mayweather-Maidana did around 900,000.

People would say, "the Marquez fight was bigger than The Moment!"

Not so.

The Marquez fight did $52 million in gross revenue. By comparison, The Moment did at least $60 million. So the raw numbers can be misleading.

Another example.

Mayweather-Mosley did a sensational 1.4 million buys. If you ask most people which was the bigger fight, Mosley or Mayweather-Ortiz, I bet 9/10 would say Mosley -- especially considering Mayweather-Ortiz did "only" 1.25 million buys on pay-per-view!

But not quite so.

You see, Mayweather-Ortiz was the first fight where they increased the price all around the board.

The ever-so-savvy financial wiz Swizz Bankz (and economist Crimson Haymon) correctly estimated that trading in lower buy figures for higher price points would lead to higher margins.

So in terms of dollars and sense (total buyrate figure is really irrelevant), the Ortiz fight generated $78.44 million -- a notch up from Mayweather-Mosley, which generated $78.33 million in gross revenue.

In fact, the Ortiz fight is the reason the prices are going up. Because the market spoke very loudly that they were willing to pay more.

Once they scheduled The One, they did the same trick. And guess what, the market and the public responded favorably!

This is why the prices keep going up.

Now as for why they feel the need to do that? That's a different question entirely. But the reason is quote simple.

Since combat sports started going on PPV with regularity, pioneered by Vince McMahon, there has always been the issue of the split.

The split is basically the divide of pay-per-view gross profits. The promoters -- and by extension the fighters -- don't see a cent until the distributors (cable, satellite, producer/broadcaster) take their cut, which is about 55%.

In other words, the promoters don't even see half of the PPV revenues. Cable/satellite help themselves to that enormous pot of gold by sheer virtue of being in people's homes.

It's annoyed promoters to no end as they have tried to find a way to increase their profit margins from this revenue stream.

Nowadays since the advent of the latest technological revolution, different distribution channels have emerged. You have smart TVs, Amazon, Xbox, PS etc. etc.

The shrewd, vindictive Bob Arum experimented with distributing PPV on their website, which is a way to get the 50 bucks without paying satellite.

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Sidebar: The business genius of Arum

Instead of Arum banging his head into a wall by trying to increase their margins with cable/satellite, who have refused to budge on their cut, he's simply toyed with other revenue streams that can replace PPV.

He's even hinted at it publicly that he was sick of them!

So to get around that, he's setting up a PPV infrastructure in China. He has the monstrous site fees in Macau and with those two sources of cash flow, he doesn't need domestic PPV. Hence why he didn't give a damn about the buyrate for Rios or the probably abysmal ones for Algieri.

***

The super genius McMahon, of course, launched the WWE Network that totally cuts out cable/satellite, which pi**ed them OFF!

Then you have Al Haymon who's working on something insane along those lines. He has over a 100 fighters on every level. Investing in TV slots. He's really following McMahon's WWF blueprint from 1983-1984 while incorporating the distribution channels we have today.

The dude is insanely bright, like scarily smart.

So the why (price wise) is not that complex, really. You look at the balance sheet, you look at the growth/profit potential and the thing that stands out is the same thing that has stood out a thousand times before -- the 55% expense of the biggest source of revenue.

So as for your comment, Suge, whether Floyd should go on free TV as a gift? Nah. He doesn't have to. Because every time he raises prices, people storm out in flocks.

Should Arum ever let go of his grudge, you can expect the bonanza that is That One to cost at least $99.95."



I'm at a disadvantage when discussing the business side Shadow. But I can comprehend what you say... But if Floyd can give out free turkeys on holidays he can at least fight a turkey for free as a gesture of good will. (Insert any top 20 fighter here).

Good comments

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Radam G:

"Perfectly right, as that's why we have verbal and non-verbal reasoning tests as well as abstract reasoning tests. Contrary to the beliefs of those who have mocked Floyd, someone has to be taught to read. You are not born a reader. Floyd as a child was winning Senior Golden Gloves before the age of 16. That implies he spent more time in the gym rather than the classroom and so was taught more about how to fight than how to read.

Good article."


He stop going to traditional school as a 12-year-old seventh grader. But it means nothing. He can read, write, count and punch. Holla!

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The Shadow:

"Actually Al Hayman and JayZ have a very good working relationship. Al is involved with the Concert, Production side of the business. Hayman and JayZ have worked together for over a decade promoting and producing Concerts for various acts ......



The offer Quillin received was no Surprise to Al Hayman as he was an instrumental part of that generous offer.. ( Hayman has a minority stake of Live Nation...or at least he did).



Quillin is the sole reason a possible extention is being discussed.



I think Quillin will sign rather than allow himself to be stripping and lose the largest copay of his career.



I hear newborn babies have a heck of an appetite...."




;)

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brownsugar:

"oubobcat may be on to something.I can see Haymon advising his client to ditch the WBO title and fight Danny Jacobs at Barclays for Jacob's belt. Quillin would be the underdog vs Korobov bigtime. If Quillin loses to MK then where does he go. A chance to fight DJ for abelt is better then losing the belt to MK. The seen and the unseen. Interesting scenarios ."

If Oubobcat ends up being correct then he gets big points on my score card .....both guys are GB fighters too ...we'll see how this plays out. I just doesn't make sense for RocNation and Hayman to be at odds. But stranger things have happened.

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The Shadow:

"Floyd needs to either....give back (SRL the most exciting boxer I've ever seen didn't go on Ppv for every fight)



Floyd also needs to .....give us an opponent we can't refuse. I think GGG is too big and too good. But why not try to take Cotto's belt at 160 or end the beef with Pac and Arum for the fans sake.



Don't be selfish and petty Floyd give the people what the want....its not like you wont be receiving compensation commensurate with the risk



(I am getting the PPV however......its close to my B-day)



Good post"




First of all, @Deep, nice post. I could totally see that happening!



7:15 PM. "I'm not buying Lil Floyd's crap."



7:45 PM.



"Maidana's coming for him."



*Checks TSS forum. Reads thoughts, sees insane quote from Maidana.*



7:50 PM. "I don't know, Maidana might get him. Or Floyd might finally come out like he did against Manfredy."



8:30 PM. "F*** it, you bastard, I love boxing!"



Bought! Haha!



Now Suge, here's the thing. The reason they're shooting the prices up are simple. People gauge PPV by looking at number of buys, which is a fallacious way of assessing it.



For instance, Mayweather-Marquez did 1 million subscriptions. Mayweather-Maidana did around 900,000.



People would say, "the Marquez fight was bigger than The Moment!"



Not so.



The Marquez fight did $52 million in gross revenue. By comparison, The Moment did at least $60 million. So the raw numbers can be misleading.



Another example.



Mayweather-Mosley did a sensational 1.4 million buys. If you ask most people which was the bigger fight, Mosley or Mayweather-Ortiz, I bet 9/10 would say Mosley -- especially considering Mayweather-Ortiz did "only" 1.25 million buys on pay-per-view!



But not quite so.



You see, Mayweather-Ortiz was the first fight where they increased the price all around the board.



The ever-so-savvy financial wiz Swizz Bankz (and economist Crimson Haymon) correctly estimated that trading in lower buy figures for higher price points would lead to higher margins.



So in terms of dollars and sense (total buyrate figure is really irrelevant), the Ortiz fight generated $78.44 million -- a notch up from Mayweather-Mosley, which generated $78.33 million in gross revenue.



In fact, the Ortiz fight is the reason the prices are going up. Because the market spoke very loudly that they were willing to pay more.



Once they scheduled The One, they did the same trick. And guess what, the market and the public responded favorably!



This is why the prices keep going up.



Now as for why they feel the need to do that? That's a different question entirely. But the reason is quote simple.



Since combat sports started going on PPV with regularity, pioneered by Vince McMahon, there has always been the issue of the split.



The split is basically the divide of pay-per-view gross profits. The promoters -- and by extension the fighters -- don't see a cent until the distributors (cable, satellite, producer/broadcaster) take their cut, which is about 55%.



In other words, the promoters don't even see half of the PPV revenues. Cable/satellite help themselves to that enormous pot of gold by sheer virtue of being in people's homes.



It's annoyed promoters to no end as they have tried to find a way to increase their profit margins from this revenue stream.



Nowadays since the advent of the latest technological revolution, different distribution channels have emerged. You have smart TVs, Amazon, Xbox, PS etc. etc.



The shrewd, vindictive Bob Arum experimented with distributing PPV on their website, which is a way to get the 50 bucks without paying satellite.



***



Sidebar: The business genius of Arum



Instead of Arum banging his head into a wall by trying to increase their margins with cable/satellite, who have refused to budge on their cut, he's simply toyed with other revenue streams that can replace PPV.



He's even hinted at it publicly that he was sick of them!



So to get around that, he's setting up a PPV infrastructure in China. He has the monstrous site fees in Macau and with those two sources of cash flow, he doesn't need domestic PPV. Hence why he didn't give a damn about the buyrate for Rios or the probably abysmal ones for Algieri.



***



The super genius McMahon, of course, launched the WWE Network that totally cuts out cable/satellite, which pi**ed them OFF!



Then you have Al Haymon who's working on something insane along those lines. He has over a 100 fighters on every level. Investing in TV slots. He's really following McMahon's WWF blueprint from 1983-1984 while incorporating the distribution channels we have today.



The dude is insanely bright, like scarily smart.



So the why (price wise) is not that complex, really. You look at the balance sheet, you look at the growth/profit potential and the thing that stands out is the same thing that has stood out a thousand times before -- the 55% expense of the biggest source of revenue.



So as for your comment, Suge, whether Floyd should go on free TV as a gift? Nah. He doesn't have to. Because every time he raises prices, people storm out in flocks.



Should Arum ever let go of his grudge, you can expect the bonanza that is That One to cost at least $99.95.

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deepwater2:

"Actually Al Hayman and JayZ have a very good working relationship. Al is involved with the Concert, Production side of the business. Hayman and JayZ have worked together for over a decade promoting and producing Concerts for various acts ......



The offer Quillin received was no Surprise to Al Hayman as he was an instrumental part of that generous offer.. ( Hayman has a minority stake of Live Nation...or at least he did).



Quillin is the sole reason a possible extention is being discussed.



I think Quillin will sign rather than allow himself to be stripping and lose the largest copay of his career.



I hear newborn babies have a heck of an appetite...."




oubobcat may be on to something.I can see Haymon advising his client to ditch the WBO title and fight Danny Jacobs at Barclays for Jacob's belt. Quillin would be the underdog vs Korobov bigtime. If Quillin loses to MK then where does he go. A chance to fight DJ for abelt is better then losing the belt to MK. The seen and the unseen. Interesting scenarios .

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brownsugar:

You also have to consider that Hayman gets a percentage of that purse off the top.
Its just speculation but I suspect a TV deal has yet to be reached.

GoldenBoy is the official promoter... its their job to move things forward. While Korobov is a Top Rank guy ....HBO will likely want a small piece of the pie to let Korobov go to Showtime.

I wouldn't over speculate until all parties can iron out the complexities on a multi-Promotional and multi - distributor deal.

(This why I hate the business side of boxing)

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brownsugar:

Actually Al Hayman and JayZ have a very good working relationship. Al is involved with the Concert, Production side of the business. Hayman and JayZ have worked together for over a decade promoting and producing Concerts for various acts ......

The offer Quillin received was no Surprise to Al Hayman as he was an instrumental part of that generous offer.. ( Hayman has a minority stake of Live Nation...or at least he did).

Quillin is the sole reason a possible extention is being discussed.

I think Quillin will sign rather than allow himself to be stripping and lose the largest copay of his career.

I hear newborn babies have a heck of an appetite....

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deepwater2:

"Here is what I am starting to think is going on...



Haymon never had any intention of matching Quillin with Korobov. He figured Top Rank would win the purse bid with not a huge offer and he'd weasel his way out of this fight for Quillin stating the money is not sufficient. Then, with pressure from Showtime, finally match Quillin and Jacobs in Brooklyn and wrangle a few extra bucks out of Showtime for the fight stating that he could always go the Korobov direction (though he never intended, just leave it out there as a negotiating ploy). Showtime, wanting to make the fight and not risk Quillin losing beforehand, caves to Haymon and gives each fighter a very substantial payday.



The problem...Roc Nation throws a wrench in the plans with a massive offer for the fight and seven figure guarantee for Quillin.



Now, Haymon is not sure what to do or how to advise his fighter. This is why he just asked the WBO for a 2nd extension today. He may even be going to Showtime and telling them right now that they must pony up now for Quillin-Jacobs or that bout will be on the backburner for awhile. He will tell them it is a backyard rivalry and can be made down the line and still be significant.



If my theory is correct, Haymon needs the extension to keep pressure on Showtime. If that massive payday is suddenly off the table, then Haymon loses his leverage.



It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out in the next few days..."




Wow. They asked for a 2nd extension? Not cool to make up a story and use the birth of a baby to stall negotiations. Something was fishy when they asked for the first extension, now a 2nd? Peter Quillin needs to put his foot down.

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oubobcat:

"Floyd needs to either....give back (SRL the most exciting boxer I've ever seen didn't go on Ppv for every fight)

Floyd also needs to .....give us an opponent we can't refuse. I think GGG is too big and too good. But why not try to take Cotto's belt at 160 or end the beef with Pac and Arum for the fans sake.

Don't be selfish and petty Floyd give the people what the want....its not like you wont be receiving compensation commensurate with the risk

(I am getting the PPV however......its close to my B-day)

Good post"


Remember a few months ago when Floyd promised something big in May. Well, I think that was challenging Cotto for the Middleweight title.

Mind you, Cotto will have options. He is circumventing the Cold War and network war very wisely at the moment. He is in a strong position of leverage. He is a huge name who holds the Middleweight Championship of the World. Both Canelo and Mayweather need name opponents and well there is none bigger available at the moment than Cotto. Thus, Cotto can call the shots.

I think Showtime knows in the final two fights of the contract they must do something big. Plus, if Canelo fights next on HBO there will be some revenge motivation. I think they go all out to get Cotto for Mayweather in May.

Keep a close eye on how this develops. If Cotto Promotions say starts getting some Sho Box dates at the end of the year or beginning of next year, that would be strong indication that something is in the works.

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oubobcat:

Here is what I am starting to think is going on...

Haymon never had any intention of matching Quillin with Korobov. He figured Top Rank would win the purse bid with not a huge offer and he'd weasel his way out of this fight for Quillin stating the money is not sufficient. Then, with pressure from Showtime, finally match Quillin and Jacobs in Brooklyn and wrangle a few extra bucks out of Showtime for the fight stating that he could always go the Korobov direction (though he never intended, just leave it out there as a negotiating ploy). Showtime, wanting to make the fight and not risk Quillin losing beforehand, caves to Haymon and gives each fighter a very substantial payday.

The problem...Roc Nation throws a wrench in the plans with a massive offer for the fight and seven figure guarantee for Quillin.

Now, Haymon is not sure what to do or how to advise his fighter. This is why he just asked the WBO for a 2nd extension today. He may even be going to Showtime and telling them right now that they must pony up now for Quillin-Jacobs or that bout will be on the backburner for awhile. He will tell them it is a backyard rivalry and can be made down the line and still be significant.

If my theory is correct, Haymon needs the extension to keep pressure on Showtime. If that massive payday is suddenly off the table, then Haymon loses his leverage.

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out in the next few days...

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brownsugar:

Floyd needs to either....give back (SRL the most exciting boxer I've ever seen didn't go on Ppv for every fight)

Floyd also needs to .....give us an opponent we can't refuse. I think GGG is too big and too good. But why not try to take Cotto's belt at 160 or end the beef with Pac and Arum for the fans sake.

Don't be selfish and petty Floyd give the people what the want....its not like you wont be receiving compensation commensurate with the risk

(I am getting the PPV however......its close to my B-day)

Good post

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