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brownsugar:

"Point blank, Gabriel Rosado is on a losing streak, or, at least, according to BoxRec.

He hasn't won in his last four outings, having lost to Gennady Golovkin, J'Leon Love, Peter Quillin and Jermell Charlo.t, in his last fight, Rosado had his hand raised, via KO, as he bettered rawhide-tough Brian Vera in a Big Knuckle Boxing (BKB) scrap this past August.

Overall, though, it has to be considered that just maybe the 28-year-old North Philly guy has seen better days, that his skills might have been dimmed by time, punishment, age, and the effects on the pysche that come from not winning. I posed the question, could it be possible that he is, indeed, on a slide, in an interview which is running on Boxing Channel.

Check it out, and then weigh in, in our Forum, on the Gabriel Rosado-David Lemieux main event which will unfold Dec. 6, at Barclays Center in the center of the universe (cough cough, I'm being knowingly self-referential and dee-baggy lol), Brooklyn, and on HBO.

http://www.boxingchannel.tv/gabriel-rosado-looking-to-get-back-in-track-with-a-win-against-david-lemieux"




GGG obviously busted Gabe up but he took it far better than Proska Macklin and Rubio to name a few....



Charlo put on a masterful albeit pain free clinic as his glided effortlessly around the ring using every square inch available while exploiting each opportunity to counter, lead and score from every conceivable position during an unspectacular yet dominant a one sided tiff.



He was robbed against the diuretic using Love and had a compelling run against the hard hitting yet less fluid Quillin until his face broke down like tissue paper.



But he did relieve the tough Texan ...Brian Vera of his consciousness... You don't see that every day



He could very well do the same to the newly manufactured Lemieux if his skin holds up.



But Lemieux can come in gung-ho and blow Gabe right out of the water if he's not fully alert and properly prepared.



This is a good matchup.



Its good to see Gabe is still getting work even if he's labeled the B side.

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The Shadow:

"Thank you Shadow. Boxing is complex and I don't have enough knowledge to produce an original input into debate.

I did notice though that I post more on BLH. I think the reason is that TSS community of posters is smaller and therefore your arguments more noticed, remembered and appended to your avatar. Thus, in a way, I automatically restrain myself form posting sometimes. I now this is not the right way to go about it, but I guess it’s still there in the back of my attic."


I know how you feel. I was a lurker for a while, too, and I was kinda apprehensive about joining the fray due to the nature of the discussions, it almost seemed like coming in class late and then trying to jump into an existing discussion. If that makes sense?

Sometimes, as I'm sure, the discussions that take place far outweigh the quality of the copy that ignited it.

I personally started getting hooked reading Radam G's stuff and how he could tell all these great stories with humor, the nature of the debates and the different characters.

That said -- and I can only speak for myself of course -- I think the overall feeling is new faces are welcomed, new points of view respected. I'm sure you have enough boxing knowledge to bless this forum with.

If anything, just having another voice is a breath of fresh air.

There's one guy in here, who I personally hold in extremely high regard, who doesn't post much and that's Flackoguapo. He expressed something similar. I wish he would post more.

Then you have guys who post a little too much like El Dude. Even then, he added something to the Forum. I'm sure you can outdo the Dude!? Haha.

Sure, boxing is complex but it ain't rocket science, either! Post away!!

Switching gears a little, who do you have in the Hopkins-Kovalev matchup???

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Froggy:

Great article ! I live about an hours drive from where Tommy Burns came from, Burns was the first white champion to give a black boxer a shot at the title and after him no one gave a black boxer a shot at the title until James J. Braddock was beat by Joe Louis, and that includes Johnson ! I don't know why Johnson never defended his title against another black boxer, it would be interesting to hear some theories ! I should clarify I was talking about the heavyweight title, another Canadian, George Dixon, was the first black Champion before Johnson !

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vasja:

"Thanks for posting, Vasja. May I ask you why you read and also why you don't post much?"
Thank you Shadow. Boxing is complex and I don't have enough knowledge to produce an original input into debate.

I did notice though that I post more on BLH. I think the reason is that TSS community of posters is smaller and therefore your arguments more noticed, remembered and appended to your avatar. Thus, in a way, I automatically restrain myself form posting sometimes. I now this is not the right way to go about it, but I guess it’s still there in the back of my attic.

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The Commish:

Does Hyppolite speak English? I'd love to spotlight him on my SiriusXM show?

-Randy G.

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The Commish:

Damn! Gabe Rosado has a face that's lumped up even when it's NOT lumped up!

I'm planning on being ringside for this show. Any of you other boxing junkies going?

I'm taking my wife. There's a nice little Italian Restaurant across the street from Barclay's called Broccolino.

I'm thinking Lemieux's power shots will be too much for the rough, tough, ultra-game Rosado to handle.

Ah, what's a few more lumps?

-Randy G.

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The Shadow:

"I don't comment much but I read this forum on a daily basis. StormCenter, your posts are my favorite because you really explain the technical aspects of a fight(er). I am not able to notice those aspects and it really helps if someone spots them, explains their working and their flaws. Thanks and congrats!"



Thanks for posting, Vasja. May I ask you why you read and also why you don't post much?

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The Shadow:

Wonderful contributions all around, one of my favorites! Reeks of wisdom and boxing knowledge. Can probably still kick a lot of a$$. The thunder of Storm from down under rocks on.

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The Shadow:

"Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager.



OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe!



Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words.



The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets.



Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago.



Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him?



Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs.



Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way.



NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!"




"OK, I think you mean, how do you provide the link to a specific post without having to necessarily get to the thread and its page first.



OK . . here goes.



See the little white hashtag number on the top right of every post, that indicates what numbered post it is for any given thread?



This one is #29



Aside from the content, and regardless of the website, most forum software applications are basically the same. The one Dino has chosen is a good one as they're quite reliable, but more importantly user friendly.



In order to provide administrative and other house keeping functions thread, thread/post numbers, and user/post numbers must be captured.



If you click on the above-mentioned little white hashtag number on the top right of every post . . . you will (stay on the same page, but also) notice that the URL (previously containing the websites' address and both the forum thread name and thread's page number) now changes.



Now it is now suffixed with a unique user/forum post ID tag - instead of being suffixed with the aforementioned thread's page number that was tagged to the end of the websites' address and forum thread name.



Suck that URL up into your buffer, and then use it where you like."




Thank you! That's exactly what I meant! This way when I post the winners, I can link to the actual post that did the job. Much easier than copy/pasting and more transparent -- for the sake of fairness -- than just naming a winner "because he was good."



Thanks again!



Dino, I enjoy the scientific breakdowns but his (somewhat uncharacteristic) short posts are quite dynamic and very enjoyable also.

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vasja:

I don't comment much but I read this forum on a daily basis. StormCenter, your posts are my favorite because you really explain the technical aspects of a fight(er). I am not able to notice those aspects and it really helps if someone spots them, explains their working and their flaws. Thanks and congrats!

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brownsugar:

Up to this point in time I have not seen anything from Dibb that leads me to believe he could get through the guantlet of contenders to even earn a shot against any of those champions listed unless he has a fortune 500 blue chip promoter with 5 star conections... And if he did.... He still wouldn't want any part of either of them. Unless there has been a drastic improvement in his boxing skills.

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The Commish:

As Radam constantly says, boxing is the "theatre of the unexpected."

Did you ever think you were gonna' hear Shane Mosley announce he was going to launch--yet another--comeback? I didn't. Especially after Mosley's clobbering at the hands of Anthony Mundine.

Now, he's ready to put his body back into the race.

I didn't figure he'd be coming back to fight. I figured he was gonna' do like Papa Jack--train and manage young pugs. Then came this announcement. Time off, he says, has healed his banged-up body. The hurt has been replaced by a return of a youthful feeling. The love and passion for boxing has returned. The tediousness of heading to the gym and the negative thoughts of pain and soreness have been replaced by excitement and positive thoughts of his youth recaptured.

It's a feeling and a stage that most older fighters go through, especially former champions. They miss the roar of the crowd. The adulation. The feeling of supremacy. I saw it with so many of the greats: Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Leonard. Muhammad Ali. Joe Frazier. Larry Holmes. Roy Jones is begging to be KO'd again. And maybe again after that.
Now, it's Mosley's turn.

His son probably doesn't have the heart to tell him "No" and his father, also lonely out of the spotlight, doesn't have the heart to tell Shane that it's over, that's it's been over for a few years.

Do you remember May 7, 2011? I do. I'm sure Mosley remembers. I'm sure Mosley wants to forget.

He was pushing 40. His opponent was Manny Pacquiao. Mosley told us all what great shape he was in...that he felt strong...that he felt fast...that he felt tireless.

The result was Pacquiao winning 35 out of a possible 36 rounds on the scorecards of all three judges.

In his last seven fights, going back to his loss to Floyd Mayweather, Mosley is 1-4-1. He is now 43. He's an antique. A highly-polished, refurbished antique. But he's still an antique.

You don't put antiques into the Indy 500.

-Randy G.

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amayseng:

"Kovalev ain't no hype .... Neither is he a knuckle dragging bozo lacking the capabilities to win a strategic fight.
Look at Kovalev as fighter first .....and not just as a Russian. Separate the two concepts...
Then you will see for yourself on fight night,.... his full worth as a fighter."


I agree, it is NOT all about his power as posters are relating to. The guy has impeccable timing, spaces very well and never crowds or smothers his own shots.

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The Commish:

"Far out man . . . I am feeling the love here.

From my early humble beginnings when TSS was all Patrick Keoh, red and white on the homy-page, and my alias was "Steve" - to being reincarnated as a StormCentre (or Stromcentre as RG puts it {it's OK - I'm laughing and having fun}) with the forum post-count clock wound right back to zero, right through to now where we're all putting it down on the street, good and hard; it's been fun.

OMG . . I am finally significant.

1000 posts.

Still, that's nothing as soon BS will be hitting 5000, and Radam G will be knocking on the door of 10K posts."


Why did you change from being "Steve" to being "Strom, er, stormcentre?"

-Randy G.

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teaser:

Yes Lemieux is a banger who comes to get the job done inside the distance (gotta love that !!) but needed polish fighting Rosado will show if he has fixed those defensive deficiencies the more rounds he gets in the better stepping up for the second time (third ??) he's got to put on a show to be taken seriously outside "La Belle Province"

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brownsugar:

"Never believe these I-am-not-going-to-fight-anymore-lying-arse pugs.

The pugvine is buzzing with a scenario of why the Sugarman is scrapping again.

There are mad rumors of he and changed-his-mind-from-retiring Sam "King" Soliman hooking up for a zombiefest. And the winner -- if all his body parts don't shake off -- will get damaged-brained IBF champion Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor in a Frankenstein affair.

The "theatre of unexpected" is darn expected with bullspit scraps if this rumor becomes a living tumor. Hehehe! Holla!"


In the famous raspy words of Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now: " The Horror ".

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Radam G:

Never believe these I-am-not-going-to-fight-anymore-lying-arse pugs.

The pugvine is buzzing with a scenario of why the Sugarman is scrapping again.

There are mad rumors of he and changed-his-mind-from-retiring Sam "King" Soliman hooking up for a zombiefest. And the winner -- if all his body parts don't shake off -- will get damaged-brained IBF champion Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor in a Frankenstein affair.

The "theatre of unexpected" is darn expected with bullspit scraps if this rumor becomes a living tumor. Hehehe! Holla!

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stormcentre:

I'm hollar-ing man.

That gospel you just preached there is OK by me man.

Peace out cool cat killa Pinoy - the king of all the sweet science posters.

:)

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Radam G:

"Also . . at heavyweight there wasn't really a weight limit for him to make was there?



So, then we can never really tell if Mike hit the weight his strength and conditioning coach would be fired/hired for.



Your thoughts?"




For every human, there is maximum and minimum weight to get superb performance. And it comes from the proper foods to click with the mind which controls it all.



Iron Mike learnt this from his late, great trainer Cus D'Amato and always got to the weight limit to maximumize his killa instinct and performance.



Iron Mike - as all the great heavyweights - was within that limit 98 percent of the time. When he wasn't, he and the world saw it.



And a heavyweight can be a fat, fat slob. But it tells on him. And shows the lack of commitment versus when one is at his proper maximum, effective fighting weight.



Just imagine how great Tony Tubbs and Riddick Bowe could have been if they had weight-limit-maximum-performance respect.



As you know, the mind controlled the body to give its best performance. But if you jive the mind with bad food and water and no sunshine and moonshine, you get a lethargic performance from enlarged body, and a drunken-on-bad-syet brain. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Also . . at heavyweight there wasn't really a weight limit for him to make was there?

So, then we can never really tell if Mike hit the weight his strength and conditioning coach would be fired/hired for.

Your thoughts?

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Radam G:

Iron Mike was mean, crazy and lazy until you got him into camp, where he was a vicious, hard-working murderer. And he never had a weight or fight problem because of that type of commitment except when going into the Buster Douglas Bout. He had an inexperienced trainer, drug pushers and pimps in that camp. And your saw what happened.

Getting Mike into camp was a problem. But once you got him there -- two, three, four, five, six weeks -- he was all pug business and had high regards and respect of his selective trainers.

His problems were outside of training camps. Nowadays sorry, lazy pugs run the camps and tell the trainers what they are going to do. This type of syet was unheard of back in the day. You don't tell a trainer what you are and ain't gonna to do. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Far out man . . . I am feeling the love here.

From my early humble beginnings when TSS was all Patrick Keoh, red and white on the homy-page, and my alias was "Steve" - to being reincarnated as a StormCentre (or Stromcentre as RG puts it {it's OK - I'm laughing and having fun}) with the forum post-count clock wound right back to zero, right through to now where we're all putting it down on the street, good and hard; it's been fun.

OMG . . I am finally significant.

1000 posts.

Still, that's nothing as soon BS will be hitting 5000, and Radam G will be knocking on the door of 10K posts.

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The Commish:

Way to go, Storm. Keep 'em coming.

And to Schteeeve, you, too. Keep 'em coming. Less lurking, more posting.

-Randy G

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brownsugar:

"As an adjunct, (I think) it's important (when considering if a tune up fight prior to a hypothetical 3G fight is warranted) to realise the risks, and also the mindset Ward may be in going into a hypothetical 3G fight, particularly without a tune up fight.

A) He knows Goossen Tutor are aware that the last significant thing he did with Dan was, arguably (in GT's eyes) uncalled for litigation.

B) He knows he will not call all the negotiating shots going in - which serve as a very good psychological advantage, including how they position your opponent with the "opponent" mentality.

C) He knows, or could justifiably believe, GT are - with the hypothetical 3G fight - looking to cash out on him.

D) He has not proven a full recovery at the elite level yet.

E) He knows Gennady can capitalise on one mistake and turn it into a (at the elite level) career ending KO.

F) He knows the Golovkin fights and KO's guy regularly.

G) He knows he doesn't fight regularly and doesn't always KO guys.

H) He knows the networks will be viewing him cautiously after the HBO and GT contractual episodes and disputes.

I) He knows HBO have invested a lot of time and money into 3G, and no-one likes to see their investments go to waste.

J) He knows Dan Goossen was widely respected amongst the managerial, promotional and network fraternities, and that his arbitration/court results may have not bought him (Ward that is) many friends/favours in many of those circles - particularly those that believe contracted fighters should do as their management request.

K) He knows that some will see his actions having a final and/or additional impact on Dan's struggles.

Thats a heck of a lot more pressure and possible paranoia for a fighter to carry into a hypothetical 3G, or any, fight.

By comparison, SRL suffered from a detached retina and was (after some argy bargy with various Doctors) later cleared to fight; all within his layoff.

He entered the Hagler fight as, narrowly, the main draw and favourite, and he had no such managerial/promotional issues as those that plague a fighter, are above-mentioned, and related to Ward.

Best to have a tune up fight in my opinion and, if for no other reason, see how all your business contacts treat and respond to you; before signing for someone they have already invested in and consider to be your (revenue/financial) replacement.

I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.

Ward would be crazy to;

A) Endure serious surgery.

B) Remain steadfast about what he believes in, at such a high cost (in many ways).

C) Go through all the he and Dan represented these last few years and recently also, including Dan's unfortunate demise.

D) Hold out for this long and be so stubborn on so many fronts.

And then after it all, say "what the heck" I won't bother about a tune up fight to see where the business and other minds - if not my own elite level skills - really are.

Remember;

A) The most powerful influence in boxing is not the fighter; it's money, networks and promoters.

B) Look at what people do - not what they say.

I am sure Ward - with all his experience in amateur and professional boxing - knows this."



That's a very good synopsis of Wards current status ...hypothetically speaking and probably mirrors a lot of the real truth in Ward's life.

I think the addition of the Muhammad Ali Act Lawsuit filed by Team Ward , although seemingly invalid was a legal way for Ward to express how desperate he was to obtain his release from his contract with GT.

I also dont think Ward will be too hard on himself regarding Dan's tragic and untimely death because a promoters lifestyle is as inherently stressful as being a bill collector, a bounty hunter or a Hollywood agent. Stress always comes with the territory when the nature of a business is essentially "peddling flesh".

Cancer occurs when a persons body essentially turns on itself. .....the disease undergoes a process that usually takes years to manifest its self.
I'm just mentioning this because I believe Ward has a clear conscious.

Ward was respectful and never attacked " the person" of Dan G..... So I don't believe Ward is harboring any guilt because of the way he conducted himself.

And there certainly hasn't been any nonsense by Ward or any other people of the Christian faith claiming that GOD "moved" Dan G. out of Wards way. If that were true a lot of promoters wouldn't be here today.

But what's unclear is GT's intent to keep Ward busy.

It was my understanding that Ward was supposed to be fighting at the end of the year but nothing has been said whether or not GT and Team Ward are even working together in a productive way or if GT just intends to keep Ward on the bench until his contract runs out.

Don King kept Kotelnick from fighting so long he just voluntarily retired.

There are still a lot of questions left to be answered about Ward's situation that I hope get resolved soon.

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Schteeeve:

More of a lurker than a contributor but I'll come out of the closet, so to speak, to congratulate STORMCENTRE, the voice of reason here at TSS.

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brownsugar:

"Yes, you're right BS, especially about Jack.



He should be a little more cautious, but then I guess time will tell.



I suppose another significant loss on Shane's record to really signpost that his time has passed will not (hopefully) hurt Shane in a permanent sense too much.



One thing though; I am really surprised that Shane never developed a fighting style more like Toney, Bernard or Floyd.



One that both, has more defensive attributes to it, and is not almost totally reliant upon reflexes."




Exactly...

Shane's offense is looking pretty feeble theses days...at one time his formidable offense was his defense.

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stormcentre:

Yes, you're right BS, especially about Jack.



He should be a little more cautious, but then I guess time will tell.



I suppose another significant loss on Shane's record to really signpost that his time has passed will not (hopefully) hurt Shane in a permanent sense too much.



One thing though; I am really surprised that Shane never developed a fighting style more like Toney, Bernard or Floyd.



One that both, has more defensive attributes to it, and is not almost totally reliant upon reflexes.

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dino da vinci:

Gize a monsta!

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brownsugar:

The thing that is so bizarre is that Shane's own father is encouraging the move.
Sometimes a fighter loses...But To find an excuse for every loss is an extremely irresponsible form of denial that will have negative consequences if Shane continues to fight.

From the outside looking in... it makes Shane's father look like a delusional parasite.
Like a Hollywood mom pushing her offspring into show business to benefit their own bank account

The fighter.... I can understand. Its human nature for men to lie to themselves when their best days have sailed past the rearview mirror.

You would expect Jack Mosely to argue on the side of common sense.

Boxers like Mayweather Paq, Bhop, and WK have all adapted their styles to coincide with their physical capabilities. As long as they can keep the fight within those parameters they almost appear to get better with age....unless of course they get a Maidana like challenge....someone who pushes them to the extreme which doesn't happen too often.

But Shane has not made any such adaptations ... His jab is still a pawing jingly afterthought and when he finishes unloading the right hand it takes another round or two for it to fully recharge.

He's replaced good lateral movement with excessive holding and his once inpenetrable chin has more dents than a wrecked ford Pinto.(with the bad fuel tank)

When a fighter of his former HOF calibur gets clowned by Anthony Mundine who himself was easily defeated by a comebacking Clottey...he should know what time it is.

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brownsugar:

Solid posting Storm...keep it up.

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Boxing's "Batman" Super middleweight Schiller Hyppolite, Canada's Next Great Fighter Schiller "Batman" Hyppolite (black trunks) lands a devastating right uppercut in this picture MONTREAL (October 29, 2014) - Boxing has its "Superman" -- World Boxing Council (WBC) light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson -- and from the same country, ironically, comes "Batman" -- world super middleweight contender Schiller Hyppolite (13-0-1, 9 KOs). The 28-year-old Hyppolite, like Stevenson, was born in Haiti and he also lives in Montreal....

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