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Radam G:

"I never thought of Cooney, but I have to agree with you, his size and power could have been too much for many former champs ! I did think of Buster Douglas, but only the one who fought Mike Tyson, not the one who showed up to pick up his check against Holyfield !"

Definitely not the over slob who came to fight Holy. Holla!

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Froggy:

"You guys thought of Chuvalo dancing with Doc Wlad G, but I was thinking Buster Douglas and Gerry Cooney. I pick them both to kayo Doc Wlad K, "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano. Styles make fights and those greats that I named would have ducked Douglas and Cooney. Holla!"



I never thought of Cooney, but I have to agree with you, his size and power could have been too much for many former champs ! I did think of Buster Douglas, but only the one who fought Mike Tyson, not the one who showed up to pick up his check against Holyfield !

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stormcentre:

I can't see Froch wanting to fight Dirrell again.

I know his fight with Froch was controversial.

But for my money Andre won that fight, and in some senses (even though he is somewhat of a timid fighter, particularly when faced with a powerfully punching opponent; regardless of their skill level and/or inferiority) he schooled Carl.

Froch was made to miss and look amateurish.

Froch was beaten to the punch and seriously exposed for the weaknesses he has with slick fighters and movers.

The Dirrell V Froch fight was essentially a perfect prequel and brilliant timing for Ward, who must have been licking his lips with joy knowing that both;

a) He was soon going to (in the super 6 tournament) meet Froch.

b) Froch is a basic, but very successful, fighter who is reliant on his stamina and incredible determination/toughness; who exhibits the above-mentioned difficulties when faced with pure and well skilled boxers that possess similar championship levels of stamina, determination, experience and toughness.

I'd like to see Andre Dirrell get a title and/or in position to fight 3G as a professional.

The fight would show us how 3G deals with guys that aren't so hand picked . . guys that perhaps represent top (or thereabouts) level fighters . . whom possess; good amateur experience/fundamentals, excellent boxing skills that are tried/tested in the professional ranks, good defence, good speed/mobility, and also (at least) decent power - all wrapped up into one.

After all, it's this package (and perhaps more) that 3G possesses - which is why he is usually superior to most of his opponents; that usually lack some essentials off the aforementioned list

Dirrell or someone else possessing the aforementioned list of attributes, would foreseeably be able to pressure and make Gennady work for distance and position - which he needs to time and set up his KO punches.

For those reasons it would be a good fight, where the outcome was perhaps not such a foregone conclusion - as Rubio and many other 3G opponents and fights are.

Anyway, that said; I still think 3G would eventually "catch" and roll over Andre Dirrell.

As Dirrell often closes up and changes in a negative sense during the fight (like Khan can), as soon as he feels power and knows his opponent is not bothered/bamboozled by his superior speed and skills.

Interestingly though (or perhaps it's not) - and despite the fact that, for the above-mentioned reasons, at times Dirrell looked down right timid against Curtis Stevens whom 3G has destroyed – whilst there are other easier opponents, I still don't think Gennady is interested in a Dirrell fight.

In my opinion this is due to how tricky Andre Dirrell is, how hard it may be for 3G to look good against him, and also how Dirrell has also, previously, fared quite well against 3G as an amateur.

Moving back to and finishing this post off with Froch; in my opinion, really, to sustain his current status, I think he needs to fight guys that are not faster and/or similarly - but not more - ring savvy than him.

Julio Cesar Chavez or retire then?

Perhaps that’s a little rough . . I mean, after all, ever since the super 6 tournament, Carl – with whatever limitations he may have as a boxer – still, really has travelled aboard and taken on a rouges gallery of opponents.

Even in the fights he has lost, save for the one with Andre Ward, he has never really been dominated and/or beaten up.

Plus the guy is almost always prepared to rematch.

They don’t come tougher that’s for sure.

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stormcentre:

I can't see Froch wanting to fight Dirrell again.

I know his fight with Froch was controversial.

But for my money Andre won that fight, and in some senses (even though he is somewhat of a timid fighter, particularly when faced with a powerfully punching opponent; regardless of their skill level and/or inferiority) he schooled Carl.

Froch was made to miss and look amateurish.

Froch was beaten to the punch and seriously exposed for the weaknesses he has with slick fighters and movers.

The Dirrell V Froch fight was essentially a perfect prequel and brilliant timing for Ward, who must have been licking his lips with joy knowing that both;

a) He was soon going to (in the super 6 tournament) meet Froch.

b) Froch is a basic, but very successful, fighter who is reliant on his stamina and incredible determination/toughness; who exhibits the above-mentioned difficulties when faced with pure and well skilled boxers that possess similar championship levels of stamina, determination, experience and toughness.

I'd like to see Andre Dirrell get a title and/or in position to fight 3G as a professional.

The fight would show us how 3G deals with guys that aren't so hand picked . . guys that perhaps represent top (or thereabouts) level fighters . . whom possess; good amateur experience/fundamentals, excellent boxing skills that are tried/tested in the professional ranks, good defence, good speed/mobility, and also (at least) decent power - all wrapped up into one.

After all, it's this package (and perhaps more) that 3G possesses - which is why he is usually superior to most of his opponents; that usually lack some essentials off the aforementioned list

Dirrell or someone else possessing the aforementioned list of attributes, would foreseeably be able to pressure and make Gennady work for distance and position - which he needs to time and set up his KO punches.

For those reasons it would be a good fight, where the outcome was perhaps not such a foregone conclusion - as Rubio and many other 3G opponents and fights are.

Anyway, that said; I still think 3G would eventually "catch" and roll over Andre Dirrell.

As Dirrell often closes up and changes in a negative sense during the fight (like Khan can), as soon as he feels power and knows his opponent is not bothered/bamboozled by his superior speed and skills.

Interestingly though, (or perhaps it's not) I don't think Gennady is interested in a Dirrell fight - due to how tricky Andre Dirrell is, how hard it may be for 3G to look good against him, and also how Dirrell has also, previously, fared quite well against 3G as an amateur.

Froch, really, to sustain his current status, needs to fight guys that are not faster and/or similarly or more ring savvy than him.

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stormcentre:

Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters.

I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be.

But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart.

Your comments on Merchant prove it.

I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did.

Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly.

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stormcentre:

Well, I echo BS' sentiments.

"I hope he doesn't hurt himself".

Sure, age can be - for some - just a number.

But boxing - even just the training that doesn't involve contact that's required to get into match-condition - can be extremely demanding on a 20 or 30 year old body; not to mention one that's 40 or 50.

Father time waits for no man, and if Billy is (justifiably; for his age) set in his ways and sleeping in at 5.30am most mornings .. it may just be that he finds out the hard way that his while he was doing that his opponent was doing road work and angrily thinking of how to remove him from his consciousness in ways that do involve sleeping - but not in a bed.

Hope I am wrong, as I admire the guy's tenacity to still competitively jump in the ring at 50.

Wonder how hard and who he will be matched to.

No need to - father time, in good time, will probably tell us that too.

:)

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stormcentre:

Agree, but with several caveats that I can expand on later.

Regardless of the caveats the guy is a living legend that has, quite literally, eclipsed several other rock and movie stars by just showing up to their gigs and/or similar places they frequent.

I remember (years ago) a Diana Ross event in the USA where there were hundreds if not thousands of fans waiting there to see her.

Ali rocks up (for some reason) and - just as Diana Ross is making her long awaited exodus - the very reason all the fans where there and waiting; the entire crowd discards her, and turns to pay Ali respect.

So . . Diana Ross did the same!

Aside from that when ever has there been - or when will there ever be - another more memorable fight - replete with an absolutely sensational "once in a lifetime ending", where both guys are (in some way, shape or in/direct form) ready to quit, with, and rather sensationally;

a) One totally exhausted and legendary fighter (Ali) ready to quite openly quit - but indirectly and, as luck would have it, fortunately, via the clever, hesitant and rewarding reluctance of his trainer (Dundee) - who shrewdly thought to, first, before following Ali's request to cut his gloves off, look across the ring . . . to see how Frazier, and more importantly what (his trainer) Benton, was doing.

b) Another not quite so exhausted, but both almost blind and equally legendary fighter (Frazier), who was very reluctant to have the fight stopped; only to have Georgie Benton dismiss that iconic and insanely brave notion to make a judgment call in favour of his fighter's health - something that turned out to be both a fateful and famous decision (in many ways) that would go on to echo through eternity for . . not just Benton - but also both Frazier and Ali in equal magnitudes - but, unfortunately for Frazier, at entirely opposite ends of the integer scale.

You - or even Mickey Rourke - simply couldn't script an ending like that, and that's why boxing is the theatre of life and the unexpected; as both are not mutually exclusive.

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stormcentre:

"Floyd,the ghost of fights you should have taken will haunt you forevvvvvvvvvver and follow you to the grave and beyond, "Why didn't you fite Pac, or Why didn't Fraud fite Pac, why o why?!"

BirdDog.

Where you been man?

Cool alias.

Tell us (what you're comfortable with) about yourself.

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stormcentre:

Oh did I mention this game is all about money?

You have to understand all the revenue streams before all the decisions even start to make sense.

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stormcentre:

"Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined"



You may be right.



But then you may be wrong too.



Bob and TR's new (2 year old) business plan involves capturing the Asian market, and currently I still see no-one (in the TR stables) that can assist Mr. Arum with that task as well as Pacquaio; particularly whilst he is both a wildly popular active fighter and politician.



Aside from that, and on a pure boxing level, who (at the moment) has TR got that is marketable and dynamic as Pacquaio both has been and is?



The guy is a flowing river of money for Bob and TR in so many ways.



Plus, he doesn't give Bob any of the egotistical push-back and/or other legal headaches that most other big (or even half Manny's popularity) boxing stars do.



For the most part Pacquaio just acts in accordance with the promotional contract.



Finally, (regardless of TR's above-mentioned Asian interests and business model) what a future contact for Bob Arum to have in (looking after) Manny Pacquaio . . . I mean, look at (the geographic locations of) some of the biggest and most memorable fights in history . .



Thriller in Manilla, Rumble in the Jungle . . etc.



I can't see how it does Bob any good not to nurture and covet the best investment he has got and had for a while.



Particularly considering that Pacquaio could one day be the guy that influences/decides whether an Asian and/or Philippine nation and/or given territorial area spends tax dollars (or the equivalent in Philippine currency) on a big Top Rank fight - just as the Indonesian heads of state did for Frazier and Ali with the Thriller In Manilla all those years ago.



Arum may rub the fans, fighters and other promoters up the wrong way from time to time, but the guy is shrewd, smart and a lawyer.



You don't get to be, and last, in the boxing-promotional game, for as long as Bob has been without being absolutely crackling sharp and extremely savvy.



Additionally, there's a reason Bob promoted and lined up Chris Algeiri (a solid B grade fighter) to fight Pacquaio (a solid A++) fighter, and it's not because Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses, to Mayweather or anyone.



Anyway, I get your point and appreciate the fact you made it.



I see you're relatively new here - welcome.



Finally, we all enjoy a solid and healthy debate on this forum, and I am by no means right just because I come across with confidence.



So, please, let me have it if I am wrong.



:cool:

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dino da vinci:

I want to say the last time I saw him fight was about 20 years ago. Remember absolutely nothing other than he was tough.

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Birddog:

Floyd,the ghost of fights you should have taken will haunt you forevvvvvvvvvver and follow you to the grave and beyond, "Why didn't you fite Pac, or Why didn't Fraud fite Pac, why o why?!

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dino da vinci:

"John the Beast Mugabi vs Gennady Golovkin.

It's 2014, John Mugabi has 31 straight knocouts, including a ko victory over Chavez Junior at a catch weight of 169 lbs. He's been made the number one challenger at 160 lbs by every alphabet sanctioning body. But it just so happens that none of the other champs are quite ready to face the beast even when threatened with being stripped of their titles.

Jacobs, Quillen, Lemieu, and even Andy Lee find ways to be too busy by either feeding their newborn babies, Participating in polical activism, assisting in feed the hungry drives or carrying sand bags in some foreign country after a being hit by a hurricane.

But there is one fighter who saw Mugabi's destruction of the cement chinned Chavez Jr.... And his juices started flowing. Finally a challenger has emerged...GGG thinks to himself.... he looks like a veddy good boy.
Held 200 ft below ground and locked behind a five inch thick solid iron door the monster stirs.

Gennady's handlers remove the shackles, chains, and restraining bars that have held him in his self imposed imprisonment until a worthy challenger could be found.
*****************************************************************************************************
I know ...sounds like an epic action flick directed by Stephen Chow ( Kung Fun Hustle) but I think Mugabi vs GGG would be and equally epic fight.
When fighters are still undefeated, they usually carry an aura of invincibility and supreme confidence that seems to elevate them to a status of near immortality as the fighter cannot comprehend the meaning of losing a fight......Its a frame of mind in which they usually do their best work.

Even the Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to keep his hands high while chipping away at Mugabi from the out side until the Beast finally revealed his mortal side.

After the fight Hagler literally had knots on his forehead where Mugabi hit him over his high guard. (Who does that???)

I think Golovkin has a 60-40 chance to defeat Mugabi if he can keep from getting cut too badly. I also envision him tasting the canvas at least once or twice for the first time due to his irresistible tendacy to trade. But in the long run Golovkins ability to change the arc of his punches on the fly and land punches from every angle, eventually wears the fearless Mugabi down by the late rounds, ... subsequently ending the fight via stunning KO."



Some of your best work. I loved the middleweights from that era. Led by the Marvelous One himself.

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dino da vinci:

Great, accurate posts.

By the way, you're not obligated to stay at the host casino. You have literally 150,000 choices.

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Radam G:

"Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that."


Hehehe! I'm not the only one that has ever hid in plain sight. Larry Merchant is a serial investor in pugs. Holla!

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amayseng:

Yep Paulie's words no longer carry any intrigue or respect from me.

He sold out to the dark side.

If you are poor you do what you have to to make a living and take care of your family.

Paulie already had money, he sold out his morals and values for more money.

No respect in that.

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stormcentre:

"It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!"


Merchant was in on that eh?

Well, I didn't know that.

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Radam G:

"Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined"

First! Da Manny would beat Money May. Second! The mainland USA doesn't define how much money that Da Manny makes.

He is not like Money May. And is showing off his darn money.

Forty eight million people watched Da Manny in China in his last bout. Around the world, close to a billion people watch him. His total worldly money from PPV, closed circuit , television, endorsements, entrepreneurship and movie acting and singing makes Money May look like a charity case.

Money May is the typical "Ugly American," racist bullsyeter playing to his audience of naive ethnocentric Amerkanos who thinks that their syet doesn't stinks and everybody else in the world catches a cold if they sneeze. Holla!

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aljamieson:

Arum loses nothing if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather. Future PPV marketability? Those days are over for both fighters, but particularly for Pacquiao. The prospect of Pacquiao losing doesn't aound like a feasible reason to block a fight that will yield Top Rank more money than two or three other Pacman fights combined

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Radam G:

"a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there.

b) Nice, and not entirely untrue.

c) Nice.

d) Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to."


It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality.

GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value.

One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!

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deepwater2:

Paulie is a company man now. He tows the line for the one that signs his checks. Paulie is a great announcer but it is no coincidence that he got his gig soon after signing with tsAH . Showtime man Espinoza thanks tsAH very morning before he wakes up before he thanks God.



Paulie used to rip tsAH before he was brought into the fray on the dark side.



The old Paulie would rip Stevenson for making the moves he has made and fighting the guys he is fighting.

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Radam G:

"Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !"

You guys thought of Chuvalo dancing with Doc Wlad G, but I was thinking Buster Douglas and Gerry Cooney. I pick them both to kayo Doc Wlad K, "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano. Styles make fights and those greats that I named would have ducked Douglas and Cooney. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Now what you have said there is even more particularly true (Oxymoron?) if . . . and I'm not saying this is or is not the case . . Arum believes that Pacquaio can't beat Floyd and it's soon going to be time to cash in/out . . . which is what some insiders think.

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stormcentre:

"


a) Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg.

b) Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat.

c) Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!

"


a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there.

b) Nice, and not entirely untrue.

c) Nice.

d) Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to.

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brownsugar:

Del La Hoya made it very clear several days ago that a fight between Floyd and Pac on May 2nd is the only fight that carries the magnitude of marketabiliy to force Canelo off that date.
But will Arum release Pac to compete against one of his own or replace one of the biggest fights of the year with another fighter from his own stable?

In my opinion the most significant two words in this equation is Bob Arum.

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brownsugar:

"Look, this needs to get fixed once and for all. The judging last weekend was hideous in some cases to say the least. I would really like to hear some explanations from these judges as to how they came to their scores in some of these fights.

Did anyone watch the Tyson Cave-Oscar Excandon fight? That was by far the worst scores of the three controversial fights from last weekend. Cave dominated the fight. Escandon was off balance and unable to get punches off all night. When he did throw, he missed often. Cave boxed circles around him. It was an easy fight to score. If you were generous, and I mean generous, Escandon won three rounds. I had it 118-110 for Cave.

But Raul Caiz scored it 117-111 for Escandon. That is a preposterous card to say the least. And Tony Crebs was not much better at 115-113 for Escandon. There is no possible way that Cave could have only won three and five rounds respectively in that fight. No way...I'd really like to hear the round by round explanation from those judges.

Of course, that wasn't the only fight from this weekend. Julie Lederman turned in a horrible card in the Bradley-Chaves fight scoring it for Chaves by a wide margin. That fight turned into a ridiculous draw in a fight that there is no doubt that Bradley easily won. And Mauricio Herrera should have got the nod against Benavidez. At the very least, the margins of those cards were inexplicably wide in the favor of Benavidez.

So how do we fix this. Well, my first suggestion probably won't get much steam but I'll suggest it anyway. Its simple, just take five fifth graders, sit them ringside for a fight and ask them at the end who won. I bet they get it right more often than not and would have had the correct result in the three controversial fights from the weekend.

Okay that realistically won't fly with commissions. So here is what we do. Its time to grade the judges.

Its simple, really. When I was a senior in high school, we had the option of taking one class pass/fail. The grade you received was not "A, B, C, D or F" it was pass or fail. So if you received a "D", on your transcripts all that was shown was "pass."

Grading the judges should be just like that system. Scoring a fight is subjective and we are not always going to agree. And sometimes maybe a card looks bad but is not screaming out loud bad. It won't fail and still passes though we may not completely agree with the scoring.

However Julie Lederman's and Raul Caiz's cards fail. It does not take a panel of experts to see that. Those scores stand out and they need to held accountable for such bad scores. I am not trying to pick on these judges and they weren't the only ones from this weekend that failed. But they were the worst, no doubt.

Basically, a judge's card either passes or fails. We want judges in this sport that receive passing grades consistently. Its not that hard to receive such grades either as again we are failing cards that scream out loud bad.

I understand not everyone is perfect and fails will happen. We all have bad days. But it should be few and far between. Okay, really few and far between. Just a couple and red flag should go up quickly. Get that judge out of the sport.

The judges need to be held accountable. They are impacting these fighters lives in so. many ways. They need to be graded, plain and simple. I bet too if they knew the microscope was on them we'd start seeing better scores. Think about it...at your job, if no accountability then the pressure is off and focus is not there. We are all human, its natural. Why worry and stress if you don't need to? The same thing here...if they know they are being graded, well the focus is going to increase.

One last thought on judging...lets take away a little of the ambiguity and make it once and for all only clean effective punching. Period. End of discussion. No ring generalship,etc. A simple criteria that we all should be able to agree on."


How true

The Tyson Cave fight was very reminiscent of Algieri vs Taylor only more onesided...in Cave's favor.
But nearly the entire boxing community seemed to choose not to acknowledge or comment upon errors made by Lederman and Ciaz that were so egregis they makes CJ Ross's previous hallucinogenic score card look more righteous than the Ten Commandments.

This is one case where Teddy Atlas's rant was well deserved.
I just hope the powers that be in boxing were doing more than just turning down the volume.

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stormcentre:

"I do agree there are reasons the system has not been changed. And some are certainly political.

But its broken. We all know that. So if we all know that, it should be time to do something about it even if the powers that be may not necessarily want to see change.

Grading the judges in a simple system such as I proposed would be a start. As a matter of fact, we can take it out of the commissions hands. As fans, we can get change if our voices are loud enough. If some of us get together and start tracking this, change can occur.

For example, if we see a pattern of a judge grading "F" continually getting fights, start a social media campaign to get that judge out. Publish the scorecards that were in question and ask why they keep getting assignments. It was the voice of the fans mind you that did get CJ Ross out after some questionable scorecards were turned in after high profile fights."



OK - fair enough.

Lobby Dino to set up a UI (user interface) on the website that accepts registered forum user's scores/votes on each judge's performance after significant fights.

Whether the identity of the scorer remains published or not can be up for debate.

I will support it/you so long as the system is not used to vent disappointment, and so long as there is a means by which the judges can also log in and have the right of reply and/or respond to the criticism/applause and explain their actions.

Let's see how much traction it gets.

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Radam G:

"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY

Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above."


As I told CHA! You gotta deal with the reality of the actuality. Pops Joy May is the Mayweather's patriarch. And he is now running syet. So you ought to halt feeding off don't-know-syet jive what talking heads say.

Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie: http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg.

See! Big POPPA Floyd ain't all crazy. And he cannot stand Paulie, because Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat.

He has admitted that he is bias against Da Manny. But you can find that video. Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!

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Shoulder Roll Defense:

"haha





Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys"




That would be a hell of a card!

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Froggy:

Chuvalo vs Klitschko, what a great idea ! Klitschko would not likely be able to stop Chuvalo or even slow him down and George would make Klitschko work for the whole fight and worry about getting hit by George ! It could be a close fight if George could land often enough to get Klitschko's attention ! Chuvalo would only be stopped if he was injured !

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Paul Malignaggi is a boxer, analyst, and also, like us, a fan. He wants to see the best fight the best; that came out when I asked him Saturday morning his after-the-fact take on the scraps which unfolded in Montreal Friday night, and on his network, Showtime. "Adonis Stevenson did what he had to against an overmatched opponent," the 34-year-old "Pride of Bensonhurst" told me. "Hopefully next year he can get in with some big guns." Amen, fight dissector. We are all on the same page there. Er…maybe not all. The blowback against Adonis after...

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Floyd Mayweather, Jr. - Two Words

The majority of us are most comfortable with the arrival of good news. In the case of a certain Floyd Mayweather, Jr., we were in no way served up a dish of "no news is good news" in regard to his long awaited (and in more realistic terms, hallucinatory) showdown with Manny Pacquiao. This writer just happened to be ringside last Friday evening at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas when the namesake of Mayweather Promotions made an appearance at the event and took the time to speak to Steve Farhood from the Showtime network. I had to wait...

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Adonis Obliterates Sukhotskiy, Proclaims Himself the Man at 175

WBC light heavy champ Adonis Stevenson took on Dmitriy Sukhotskiy of Russian in the main event on Showtime Friday night, from Montreal, and we wondered if maybe "Superman" would look past the challenger to bigger fights that didn't happen. Paul Malignaggi of Showtime said he thought maybe Adonis looked a bit blase this week. But that gut instinct went by the wayside once he got the challenger's mannerisms down. A knockdown in the second, and three in the fifth spelled doom for an overmatched visitor. Stevenson could have left an even...

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Dan Beats Bizier in Sequel

Jo Jo Dan and Kevin Bizier renwed acquiantances on Friday night, in Montreal, at the Pepsi Coliseum, on Showtime, in a welter struggle. After rounds of decent action, we had a split decision. The scores were: 115-112 (Dan), 114-113 (Bizier) and 114-113 (Dan). Dan (33-2 entering) is 33, was 146 3/4while Bizier (23-1 entering), 30, was 146 ¾. In the first, the lefty Dan, from Romania, had the peppier jab. Biz wanted to land the right on the lefty. Al B said that Dan needed to double the jab, while Biz had to be busier than when they fought...

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Andre Dirrell Has Easy Time Of It, Gets UD12 Over Edwards on SHO

Andre Dirrell took on Derek Edwards, in an A- class vs. B minus class clash at super middle Friday night, in Montreal, at the Pepsi Coliseum, on Showtime. Dirrell was in total control the whole way, and the judges couldn't, wouldn't dare, screw things up. They saw it 119-109, 120-108, 119-107. Dirrell said before round twelve that his left hand was hurting him, and maybe was broken. Dirrell went 2250-591 to 47-269 for the loser. Edwards (27-3-1 entering) is 35, and was 167, and 5-9 in height. The Michiganer Dirrell at 31 was 167 ¾ and...

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Beterbiev Goes Down, Turns It Around, Stops Page in Rd. 2

Powerful and still a bit crude Artur Beterbiev hit the deck in round one, and then woke up to punish Jeff Page in the TV opener on Showtime Friday night, which unfolded in Montreal. 2:21 was the ending time, as Beterbiev scored three knockdowns in round two on Page, who came in brave, and left groggy. Page (age 29; 15-0 entering; trained a month at Abel Sanchez’ gym) was 174 1/2, while the Russian-born B (6-0 entering; coming off win over ex champ Tavoris Cloud) was 174 1/4. In the first, Page slid left and right, respected the power....

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Bryan Vasquez Looks Forward To Fighting, Winning, Eating Carnitas

I was mightily impressed with Bryan Vasquez on April 12, when he beat a more heralded hitter, Jose Felix, from Mexico, on the Pacquiao-Bradley II undercard. The Costa Rican hitter, age 26, defended his interim WBA super feather crown, which he seeks to do once again tomorrow (Saturday) night in Mexico. The 33-1 stylist meets up with 30-3 Sergio Thompson in Cancun. I chatted with the San Jose, Costa Rican and got a better sense of who he is as a human being, and boxer. Your win against Jose Felix was so impressive. Let's talk about that....

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HBO Boxing Boss Ken Hershman Looks Back, Forward

The interview got off to a rough start, because I missed my call time. My excuse was good, as excuses go: I was cleaning out the cat litter box. That’s why I missed my 1 PM phoner with HBO boxing boss Ken Hershman, but after doing that bit of housekeeping, I put on my journo cap, got out my keyboard, and checked in to see what the lay of the land was in the mind of Hershman, and see if I could get a sense of how 2015 might play out. I say “might” because as far as fool’s errands go, planning much beyond the next bout in this...

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