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stormcentre:

"BS's fights against Chris A were more impressive than Wilders entire career.

In a vacuum I would pick BS by way of KO 100 out of a 100 times. If Firtha can outbox Wilder at times than BS should control the entire fight.

Just some angles to think about

TsAH would like a piece of the heavyweight championship more than he likes feeding his lower weight guys stiffs. It would be the biggest boxing moment for tsAH, and that means something.

The oldest trick in the boxing book is to soften up a fighter with woman and or money. Beware of the honey traps BS! Don should lock BS up to keep him safe from outside influences.

Who will the ref be? Will he let them fight on the inside? If so advantage to BS. If not advantage to Wilder.

BS knows all about wilder getting knocked out in the amateurs so will he come in just looking for the KO or will he move his head and box?

Don King did not get any options on Wilder so BS will have the full support of Don. I hope that Don sticks up for his fighter and tries to get some advantages for him.

I have to pick BS by knockout at this time, as it gets closer and I know who the ref is I might make a change."


Good scouting report D2.

I haven't really followed either guy that much.

Was Stiverne a pretty hot amateur?

What's his rise through the pro ranks been like?

Moved along fast? Slow? Protected.

Fed softs?

Or has he done it real?

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deepwater2:

BS's fights against Chris A were more impressive than Wilders entire career.



In a vacuum I would pick BS by way of KO 100 out of a 100 times. If Firtha can outbox Wilder at times than BS should control the entire fight.



Just some angles to think about



TsAH would like a piece of the heavyweight championship more than he likes feeding his lower weight guys stiffs. It would be the biggest boxing moment for tsAH, and that means something.



The oldest trick in the boxing book is to soften up a fighter with woman and or money. Beware of the honey traps BS! Don should lock BS up to keep him safe from outside influences.



Who will the ref be? Will he let them fight on the inside? If so advantage to BS. If not advantage to Wilder.



BS knows all about wilder getting knocked out in the amateurs so will he come in just looking for the KO or will he move his head and box?



Don King did not get any options on Wilder so BS will have the full support of Don. I hope that Don sticks up for his fighter and tries to get some advantages for him.



I have to pick BS by knockout at this time, as it gets closer and I know who the ref is I might make a change.

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stormcentre:

What about Anthony Joshua?

Does he fit into the picture anywhere?

Or is he too green just yet and, perhaps, the Joshua drums are being beaten by the British too soon?

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Radam G:

Nice copy with a strong punch. And I'm betting it is stronger than D-Wild's chin.

I can see him getting hurt to the body and the head. He won't last longer it took to read this Thread. I cannot see him going more than four rounds. And a first-round, less-than-a-minute kayo of D-Wild would not surprise me. Holla!

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stormcentre:

"I wish he gave us Garcia Khan 2 instead."

Yep, me too.

That's the one I'd like to see too.

However, if Kahn stays focused for the entire fight and performs as he did with Alexander, who knows . . . the outcome may be different.

Kahn V Thurman would be a good eliminator as well.

Or . . and this is a bit mean . . . . . . Kahn V Clottey.

Clottey look really good and strong against Mundine.

I know Kahn is much faster, but Clottey is a hard guy to hurt and slow down.

Actually, it wouldn't bother me to see Mayweather fight Kahn either . . but I am already getting tired of Kahn crowing on about that possibility.

Anyway, back to where this line originated from; so, . . the fact that Haymon has given us Kahn V Alexander . . . it’s not all bad then?

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amayseng:

"No, he will not be stripped. It is my believe if an inductee decided to become an ax murderer upon retirement and then induction, they would just add an ax to the display."

As they should

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Radam G:

"No, he will not be stripped. It is my believe if an inductee decided to become an ax murderer upon retirement and then induction, they would just add an ax to the display."

Wow! I should have known that in this "theatre of the unexpected." Holla!

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dino da vinci:

No, he will not be stripped. It is my believe if an inductee decided to become an ax murderer upon retirement and then induction, they would just add an ax to the display.

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Bernie Campbell:

Im so tired of the showmanship and the matched unrivals of proffessional boxing that the fights that you really do want to see never materialize! The promoters play with the public eye based on race baiting...anthropological characteristics..attitude..and basic theatrics in arranging matches! I say enough with the garbage and may the best man win! I must also say the Straweight and other lower divisions should get Credo too! By the way Who the hell is Sam Watson and why does this bafoon deserve credo in the sweet sport!

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deepwater2:

"HOFer Virgil Hill -- at 50-year-old -- is scheduled to make a comeback in February.



Will he be stripped of his place in the International Hall of Fame since it requires for you to be out of boxing for five years before you can be nominated and selected? Anybody who know how the process works, HOLLA!



Has anybody other selectees done what Hill is planning to do? Holla!"




He should just do some exhibitions if he has the hunger again. we might see a Roy Jones Jr rematch.I don't want to see that.

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deepwater2:

"Didn't Haymon just give us all Kahn V Alexander?



He must have, as I recall Sam Watson ensuring he was in most post fight interview camera frames, if not hanging off the shoulder of the fighters themselves.



:)"




I wish he gave us Garcia Khan 2 instead.

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stormcentre:

Didn't Haymon just give us all Kahn V Alexander?

He must have, as I recall Sam Watson ensuring he was in most post fight interview camera frames, if not hanging off the shoulder of the fighters themselves.

:)

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Radam G:

"Haymon knows that by introducing another broadcast/network player (like the NBC) to top talent (he controls) all the belts loosen a little, and perhaps the cookie jar isn't closed so tight.

I think Haymon, like most with experience in the game's ivory towers, knows how to groom and manage "B" side fighters; so they, either are, or seem, like genuine contenders.

Aside from fame, respect, girlies, cars and all that; fighters want enough longevity in the sport to generate an income that will carry them when they retire, and in that sense Haymon seems to have the business model.

Many fighters just see the money that Mayweather is making, how he chooses who the opponent is, and that alone is a good enough advertisement to sign with Al."


Great scooping! I think you it hit on the head about tsAH. That is classic about advertisement. Holla!

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stormcentre:

Haymon knows that by introducing another broadcast/network player (like the NBC) to top talent (he controls) all the belts loosen a little, and perhaps the cookie jar isn't closed so tight.

I think Haymon, like most with experience in the game's ivory towers, knows how to groom and manage "B" side fighters; so they, either are, or seem, like genuine contenders.

Aside from fame, respect, girlies, cars and all that; fighters want enough longevity in the sport to generate an income that will carry them when they retire, and in that sense Haymon seems to have the business model.

Many fighters just see the money that Mayweather is making, how he chooses who the opponent is, and that alone is a good enough advertisement to sign with Al.

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stormcentre:

Truth be known, Lennox's dreadies and his scalp's follicular performance was well past their use by date even when he was fighting - but who's gonna tell him that?

He looks better now.

:)

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Froggy:

"Wow! I wanna go there. But the wifey ain't having it. She says that I would look like a sick Buddha suffering from malnutrition. But I bet I would like a young, sexy Filipino Kojack. Hehe! Holla!"



Maybe the wifey thinks you are right Radam G, HE, HE, HE !

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Radam G:

"Give that man a lollipop ! He inspired MMH, B-Hop, Big George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, James Toney, RJJ, Evander Holyfied, Joe Frazier, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Mike Tyson, can't forget Butterbean, Buster Douglas, and countless others who I can't think of at the moment ! Plus many fighters before Kojack and they all look good without hair, I'm thinking of trying it myself, getting there anyhow !"

Wow! I wanna go there. But the wifey ain't having it. She says that I would look like a sick Buddha suffering from malnutrition. But I bet I would look like a young, sexy Filipino Kojack. Hehe! Holla!

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Froggy:

"Lol..



Thank God for Telly Savalas who popularized the bald look decades ago.

There used to be a time when men would try to hold onto every last strand."




Give that man a lollipop ! He inspired MMH, B-Hop, Big George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, James Toney, RJJ, Evander Holyfied, Joe Frazier, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Mike Tyson, can't forget Butterbean, Buster Douglas, and countless others who I can't think of at the moment ! Plus many fighters before Kojack and they all look good without hair, I'm thinking of trying it myself, getting there anyhow !

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deepwater2:

Hey good for ole Mayweather for saying Ali is greater than his son. He might get fired for that.



Just imagine Ali going to a Clippers game and sticking up for that racist owner Sterling like lil Floyd did.

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brownsugar:

"Hehehe! He let his hair go because of "gradual loss." People teased him about beginning to look like Stevie Wonder. Balding up top, and looking like a clown with just the sides and back action. Holla!"

Lol..

Thank God for Telly Savalas who popularized the bald look decades ago.
There used to be a time when men would try to hold onto every last strand.

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Radam G:

"One of the more pleasant and less polarizing articles by Hauser.

I was shocked to see a photo of Lennox without his dreads a short while ago. Sometimes the letting go of the hair is due to a gradual loss which can sometimes occur in unflattering ways. Other times its a sign of transition to a more practical area of focus. I still never thought I'd see Lewis without his hair. Glad to see Lewis is still growing and adapting to his life outside the ring."


Hehehe! He let his hair go because of "gradual loss." People teased him about beginning to look like Stevie Wonder. Balding up top, and looking like a clown with just the sides and back action. Holla!

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brownsugar:

One of the more pleasant and less polarizing articles by Hauser.

I was shocked to see a photo of Lennox without his dreads a short while ago. Sometimes the letting go of the hair is due to a gradual loss which can sometimes occur in unflattering ways. Other times its a sign of transition to a more practical area of focus. I still never thought I'd see Lewis without his hair. Glad to see Lewis is still growing and adapting to his life outside the ring.

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dino da vinci:

"Lol Deep...nearly all old men are scary(and ugly) except to their own families.

... Haymon's strength is that he manages a lot of top boxers... Its being reported that Chavez junior has expressed a desire to sign on when his contract with TR runs out.

Some of the critism is most certainly valid.

Al did use Floyd for years as a bargaining chip against HBO to get his lesser known fighters extra exposure. With Floyd being the top earner in the sport and one of the top performers and high ratings earner for HBO . .. Concessions were made.

One of those was the development of a guy like Berto who simply just came with the package.

Its interesting that Haymon is supposedly connecting with NBC for a new mainstream venture.

NBC has a history of airing some great contests going all the way back to when they used to air Amateur boxing. ....50 years ago I watched these shows as kid.

If you Remember SportsWorld you'll know NBC rarely puts on a dud.

NBC has aired a bevy of local favorites as well with guys like Adamek, Cunningham, Darden, and even Kovalev dating back as recently as about two years ago.

NBC seems to have a knack for extracting the best fights from the Philly and Tri-state areas.
One of my favorite series was Joltin' Jeff Chandler (bantamweight) the fighter with the rapid piston jab...Jeff even earned a TKO just by jabbing a guy to death... and Frank the Animal Fletcher(middleweight) the mauling volume puncher cut in the mold of James Kirkland....... Watching either of these guys was like watching Terence Crawford vs Gamboa in Omaha. Both of those fighters mothers were so wild and boisterous at ringside they made Terrence's excitable mom look like a nun by comparison. The crowd itself went completely bonkers.

Don't underestimate NBC... I don't know if they have a closet full of little old men from Vegas to advise them about boxing but NBC is savvy In fact I believe its their policy NOT to air a fight unless its going to be popular and well attended.

I remember when Bradley fought Alexander in a scary arena ( and neighborhood) in Detroit that no one went to. They had to construct a makeshift blind out of blue and white tarps to hide the empty seats.

I have never seen that on NBC.

Don't assume Al Haymon's involvement with NBC will automatically lessen the quality of their boxing programing. NBC is no joke."


Enough with the looks. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his looks and appearance. What I'm concerned with is his agenda. My understanding is he bought the airtime and of course with that he will be able to sell the allotment of advertising minutes that was agreed to. Can't imagine he would believe he stands to benefit from one-sided outings. If he indeed bought the airtime, then I'd venture you're going to get quality match-ups, or Money is taking advice from the wrong guy.

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brownsugar:

Lol Deep...nearly all old men are scary(and ugly) except to their own families.

... Haymon's strength is that he manages a lot of top boxers... Its being reported that Chavez junior has expressed a desire to sign on when his contract with TR runs out.

Some of the critism is most certainly valid.

Al did use Floyd for years as a bargaining chip against HBO to get his lesser known fighters extra exposure. With Floyd being the top earner in the sport and one of the top performers and high ratings earner for HBO . .. Concessions were made.

One of those was the development of a guy like Berto who simply just came with the package.

Its interesting that Haymon is supposedly connecting with NBC for a new mainstream venture.

NBC has a history of airing some great contests going all the way back to when they used to air Amateur boxing. ....50 years ago I watched these shows as kid.

If you Remember SportsWorld you'll know NBC rarely puts on a dud.

NBC has aired a bevy of local favorites as well with guys like Adamek, Cunningham, Darden, and even Kovalev dating back as recently as about two years ago.

NBC seems to have a knack for extracting the best fights from the Philly and Tri-state areas.
One of my favorite series was Joltin' Jeff Chandler (bantamweight) the fighter with the rapid piston jab...Jeff even earned a TKO just by jabbing a guy to death... and Frank the Animal Fletcher(middleweight) the mauling volume puncher cut in the mold of James Kirkland....... Watching either of these guys was like watching Terence Crawford vs Gamboa in Omaha. Both of those fighters mothers were so wild and boisterous at ringside they made Terrence's excitable mom look like a nun by comparison. The crowd itself went completely bonkers.

Don't underestimate NBC... I don't know if they have a closet full of little old men from Vegas to advise them about boxing but NBC is savvy In fact I believe its their policy NOT to air a fight unless its going to be popular and well attended.

I remember when Bradley fought Alexander in a scary arena ( and neighborhood) in Detroit that no one went to. They had to construct a makeshift blind out of blue and white tarps to hide the empty seats.

I have never seen that on NBC.

Don't assume Al Haymon's involvement with NBC will automatically lessen the quality of their boxing programing. NBC is no joke.

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brownsugar:

Very cryptic words..... I was watching the planet of the apes when I read Dino's thread.....As if on queue, Caesar had just spoken english to the very astonished zookeeper for the first time. This was a very powerful moment in the movie... I suspect this thread is also a fore-telling of significant changes to come in the world of boxing.

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deepwater2:

That tsAH picture sure is scary. tsAH deserves the Lampley Flurry. tsAH is selling out boxing. Lil Floyd sold out a long time ago.

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stormcentre:

"5 or 6? You are being amazingly kind with that ratio. ��"

Yep, well I was sitting back on an island, on holidays, watching the sunset, and I had had a few vodka, lime and sodas, and was feeling nice.

:)

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dino da vinci:

5 or 6? You are being amazingly kind with that ratio. ��

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stormcentre:

"Great article and great post brownsugar ! How is tsAH selling his product to NBC ? I can't believe NBC is dumb enough to put out money for one-sided fights, if they are that dumb, good, they should lose their shirt if boxing fans start watching only what is worth their time to watch !"



Yep they're that dumb.



Sorry Froggy - and it's not an attack on you - but both boxing spectators and fans (there's a difference) have been interested and enthralled for years about 2 guys fighting each other.



Knowing the sport and how it works is not necessarily a perquisite for the enjoyment until you understand what it takes to be a good fighter, what one is, and how much the advisors and promoters also know that .. and of course what they're asking us to pay in order for us to watch what they're serving up.



For every knowledgeable fan, there will always be 5 or 6 that are clueless and behaving as they have just downed their first Corona.



We mustn't compare ourselves to mere mortals - not everyone is as insightful about the sport as we are.



:cool: :D

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stormcentre:

"Muhammad Ali, who has been battling Parkinson’s disease for three decades, which started three years after his last fight against Trevor Berbick in 1981, has been hospitalized with mild pneumonia and was being treated by doctors. According to Ali’s spokesman Bob Gunnell, Ali is in a stable condition and the former heavyweight champion’s health has “vastly improved”. https://rdxsports.com/blog/muhammad-the-greatest-ali-the-champion-of-the.html"

My (personal) and perhaps unreasonably cynical interpretation of your post and also, perhaps, what Dino is saying is as follows . . . .

"Just went to check the quality of your "advertisements". This one was pumped so quick/hard but equally so ungrateful that it felt like it was written by an actor in a Vegas movie similar to the "Hangover" whom had lost their script . . as despite his cork getting popped in Vegas, and a few perfunctory sighs from her, she didn't even thank me in the morning, and now I can't find her or my wallet".

Nothing wrong with a little forum, whoops, I mean Vegas whorreing.

Just jiving.

Enjoy Xmas RDX.

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